Caine is a God to the NPCs? The Real Life Mythology Inspiring The Amazing Digital Circus
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10:45 Kinger's hand is there too. It's just hard to see because he doesn't have arms, but if you pause and go frame by frame you'll see it. So it's only Jax who is missing, which seems fair.
His fingers can be seen right after the cuff of Pomni's glove, for anyone who is confused on where to look.
Yeah he’s just a little harder to see because he doesn’t have arms
Also a little hard to see due to the lack of lighting in this scene.
Was coming to make that exact comment. His hand is toward the back when he catches her so it's very hard to see. Easiest to pick it out under Pomni's glove where her wrist is. Her wrist is the same color as his glove but you can see it at either side of the wrist. Narratively after hearing all four of them give respects to Kaufmo Pomni sees them now as people who actually care one of their number was lost and that they legitimately look out for each other. Perhaps initially after seeing Kaufmo just unceremoneously and seemingly carelessly discarded by Caine she thought the others didn't care it happened, and that they wouldn't care if she abstracted either, but now that she sees there is legitimate care between them she feels like she can trust them to be there.
I just hope Gummigoo isn't erased but sent to the candy world 😔
My face dropped when he blew up.
i mean, the fudge monster is eating everyone in the candy world. so he would also die-
@@Blue_Remixwell. Candy kingdom. They (allegedly) live in their own village
That’s honestly more likely to me.
Yes but Gummigoo might've not retained his memories.
Caine is an AI that oversees the game, so of course NPC’s see him as a god.
But that doesn’t align with my head canon! 😂
Might be an archangel
I don’t need a headcanon, so then I can expect more of them
NPC’s don’t see him as anything; he literally used himself as an asset for a backstory to save time.
@@frankyanish4833Kind of the issue. Like with gummigoo, he didn't NEED TO. He could have just made gummigoo a jerk, instead he made him save his mom. He didn't need to make them think he was god, he coudl have just made a kingdom and told them he was there to help. Infact I'd day say he was playing a dangerous game because if they priase him as god, and spoke to any of the cast about him further, I'm sure they would have heard some things that might have made gummigoo's existential crisis look small in comparison to the WITCH HUNT THEY COULD HAVE INCURRED. Caine is playing a dangerous game.
11:07 I do have my own theory about this.
As Gooseworx has said, Jax is 22, and was only 17 when he entered the Circus, being probably the youngest there. He entered with a friend though, but his friend abstracted, and now he doesn't like funerals because they remind him of his friend, leaning into his inmature side.
Also, as DeepCut said on his last theories, Jax is aware that humans can't be physically damaged in the Circus, and he just wreaks havoc because he doesn't understand the mental damage he provokes into his human companions, or simply doesn't care, and he just wants a rush of adrenaline, because he's so bored and full of it.
Look guys, I'm not saying Jax is a good person, I'm just trying to find out his reasons to be a bad one, I like him as a character.
I agree with this, and I feel him and kafoomoo were actually pretty close, in their own sense anyways….i also feel they both shared similar interests, as in they both want out. Like you said, he is sick of being stuck in the circus. 5 years in a digital universe can do wonders on a young mind, not to mention how long the others have been stuck their, I believe he and kaffmoo were looking for the exit together for a period of time, but Jax gave up. And decided to just be a Jackass, but kafmoo kept trying, and eventually he saw the same exit as Pomni. And like her went after it, but it kept vanishing or it was the fake one Caine made (I believe he’s smarter then he lets on) and kept trying to use that one, and just went insane…..so that’s why had doesn’t want to be at the funeral, because he had been his friend but left him to his own devices, and feels guilt about that…..that’s just me
look at Jax's face on 11:10 in slow motion. He looks depressed. My theory at first was it might be a way of grieving for him. Plus, i think Kaufmo and him got pretty close by kind of pushing each other around playfully, Jax would've liked the thrill of the game, without the hate that comes with it. And Kaufmo would've been happy to play, and felt good knowing he downgraded bullying for the others. That's why the others are so mad with Jax's behavior, it wasn't all that bad when Kaufmo would let him take it out, while not being hated for venting and taking out anger. So to Jax, losing someone you depend on and never being able to have them back is rough, but i think another reason he hated it is your theory, not only not wanting to believe a person is "dead". I think another reason the funrual of his spawn buddy hurt so bad in the past was it might've been the first funrual he'd been to, which makes it feel even worse when the first is the worst one, and he have to carry that with him forever now.
i also think you both make very good and possible points :) just adding my own thoughts to them
Gooseworx said the humans remember their lives (for the most part, at least) before the circus, but they did indeed forget their names.
Arguably, that's worse. Knowing you had a place on this earth, but only know part of that place. Which is not helped by them not knowing their names. A name gives something meaning, after all. What meaning does their old life really have, if they have no name to place it with?
9:43 You can totally see Kinger's hand in the shot! Kinger is the only character with white hands. It's easier to see when slowed down because it happens pretty quick, but it's there. Still no Jax though which, fair enough. He doesn't strike me as a friendly figure either
Princess Lou literally said that Caine is God in their land, so I think it would be possible.
"I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" is literally one of the inspirations for it.
Caine is AM and the 5 humans are his entertainment? Although Caine at least seems to be nice about it perhaps. Except to the simulations he makes for them. That’s very AM like. Makes me wonder who these 5 really are.
@@theredeft5319 AM?
@@TheUltima_WerewolfAM is the villain/antagonist in “I have no mouth and I must scream” (the short story by Harlen Ellison). It stood for “Allied master computer”, until after he gained consciousness, took it as his own name, Am, as the saying “cogito ergo sum: I think, therefore I AM”
@@melmel1-3-4 Ooooh thank you
@@TheUltima_Werewolf yep! no problem! :) it’s a pretty interesting short story, if you don’t have too many issues with darker topics I recommend giving it a read/ watching someone talk about it on RUclips (I DID THE LADDER LMAO)
I think that Jax didn't show up to the funeral was because he blames himself for his abstraction. It's known that Kaufmo didn't make funny jokes so Jax probably made fun of him for that. Which would make Kaufmo want to leave the circus.
At 5:06- wild idea, these new AI are a part of a trend where Caine is actually recycling Abstracted humans, tying them up in AI programming to serve as NPCs.
10:50
Kinger's hand is there too
It's just hard to spot
In the hand scene kingers hand is actually there, its just behind the other hands and blends in too well with pomnis arm
imagine you put on a headset and it shuts down instantly. but also your consciousness is copied to the headset. you continue your normal life but the cope still lives inside digital circus
thats what I was thinking the twist would be. Like the are just save files and not real humans stuck in headsets
Gooseworks: "jax is chaotic evil, he deserves to be in the digital circus, he will do something unforgettable... "
Hunh, wonder what-
8:50 *jax is in Judases place in the last supper*
......oh-
9:44 *is the only one not holding pomnis hand in the falling sequence at the end of the episode*
.... OH
So like.... Is jax gonna abstract pomni 💀💀💀
It seems he is willing to do anything for kicks and laughs. Nothing is above him, leaving a town about to be eaten… using weapons when no one did, general lack of empathy and care for others and only himself?! Yeah… he’s the villain
@@danielcurren2119 yeah, it seems likely he will do something as evil as driving someone to abstract, and with all the simbol is and foreshadowing, it seems very likely. And the way judas story ended.... I don't see a happy end or redemption ark for jax.... Unless the creator plays with expectations
The question is whether Jax’s character will follow the same general story as Judas. Judas felt guilty, threw the money he got into the temple, and then hung himself. If he ends up driving Pomni or someone else to abstract, will he go the same way? Worse? Better?
Ragatha has to get her own episode and when it comes, i will tear up and love her even more!!
Jax can't betray you if you already don't trust him...
Judas is Gangle I feel.
Based by their seats at the table if nothing else.
She could also be this undercover NPC that was hinted at.
If we're going by the biblical logic, Jesus knew Judas would betray him extremely early on, even telling him during the last supper to do what he was going to do faster. So Jax can still betray you even if you see it coming.
@@AstroTom The thing is, Jax isn’t sitting at Judas’s spot, so it could go either way. I’d say it’s very likely that it’s Jax, but not completely set in stone for now
Jax could play the role of Satan and convince Gangle to betray Pomni
@@gothnerd887 "kill pomni or i'll tell ragatha about the figurine thing"
In the painting, Peter (the one who denied him) and Judas (the actual traitor) are actually both on the same side- off to Jesus’ right. If the positions in the show are supposed to reflect that, it would mean that Kinger and Gangle fulfill those roles.
HOWEVER, in the painting, Thomas (Doubting Thomas) is sitting on the other side of Jesus. Jax could very well be a doubting Thomas character.
I really want that stained glass of caine as a vinyl pin
It's weird that an A.I. culture would know what a god is unless Caine specifically wrote that into the code of the game or his story for the game
Deepcut needs his own Amazing Digital Circus Design, just like his Imp design❤
i actually remember someone's theory, that Zooble might be a Judas, because when they all are sitting on this table which is a representation of The Last Supper Judas's and Zooble's poses are quite similiar
and it actually explains why "One of my apostols will betray Me" (we can see Zooble's hands, while they are all holding Pomni's hand, so she won't fall into the void)
hmmmmmm
I think it's going to be interesting to see how big this digital world is. And if it's all "programmed" or if Caine creates everything 🤔
36 days, and we will reach the date
Where Deepcut finally meets his fate
okay, but if I have another heart attack that day, its on you!
@@CartoonUniverse Oh it will be much more than that. We can’t have any witnesses, can we?
@@MR.Sculptor Well that's not ominous or foreboding @ all.
@@ZeldaSam1 I agree, nothing odd here at all
This recontextualizes the Gloink Queen’s line of “God will be Gloinks” in the pilot
I kind of saw Caine as an interesting broken AI.
One made to interact with humans, but a flawed understanding of humanity and unable to figure out what he is doing wrong.
The humans or 'brain scans' have no human memories for him to work off of. Just emotions and personalities.
He has guidelines for what makes a human happy and his current progress is more likely out of repeated failures rather than true understanding.
Which is why he sort of freaks out when humans do not play his games and why he seems rather distressed at the idea of messing up or unable to tell a human apart from an NPC.
A broken AI trying to follow its programming with a situation now made within his understanding.
Curious to see how he goes. Especially since he seems to understand pain is bad, hunger sucks... And yet makes digital food to make people experience the sensation of eating and drinking despite the lack of a need for it.
For digital circus videos deepcut should be Legocut because every character in the digital circus is a toy
My hypothesis going by religious connections in the show. That Ragatha is Pomni's Judas. 1. Her position at the table, third to right of Pomni. Like the last supper. 2. And their relationship teetering. Idk
Jax's hand is the only one that didn't grab on to Pomni's hand towards the end of the episode, meaning that Pomni doesn't see Jax as a friend and doesn't trust him (for now), which makes sense due to Jax acting like a jerk towards everyone and especially after he deliberately threw her out of the candy truck in episode 2.
One of the best explanations of Gnosticism. Great analogy!
I think I see Kinger's hand in the shot. Hard to tell when he literally has no arms.
What he should said was “Helluva Boss AND Hazbin Hotel are about Demonology and Hell”.
I mean the point still worked alright.
@@theflowerhead i know.
Caine reminds me of Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club.
Nah fr
...yandere? wonder who for....
Just Caine!
Who's the senpai
You're by far my favorite and only guy that makes theories about this show, That aren't brain rot theories that make no sense.
I feel like the name should be the PHENOMENAL digital circus because it’s tons more than amazing only 2 episodes and they are absolutely freaking outstandingly phenomenal absolutely perfect
As a Christian I could totally see this being a possibility.
Same
what ??!
@@planteruines5619what
An interesting concept with gnosticism although the scriptural Truth is Jesus is the same God of the old testament. The name of God is YHWH (those Hebrew letters) which means "I AM WHO I AM" Exodus 3:14. It is this title Jesus identifies with during his various "I am" statements. I am the door, I am the Good shepherd and I am the way, the truth and the life. Chief among his statements is John 8:58.
Hope you are having a nice day, I love to speak on matters of theology.
Gnosticism is retarded
Is on the point of Jax's being the antagonist. Take note that at the last supper portrait Jax isn't at Judas's position our 2 faced little ribbon friend sits where judas does.
9:15 Wow I've thought for a little while too that Pomni could be the daughter of either Caine or Abel in the real world as well, didn't think anyone came up with that
10:50 Actually, if you look closer at the hands, you can also see Kinger's hand grabbing onto Pomni's, probably a little hard to see due to the lack of light in this scene.
Small correction: in the scene where everyone catches Pomni's hand, Kinger's hand is actually present, it's just behind the rest. It's only Jax's hand that isn't present.
Kinger's hand actually did grab Pomni with the other 3, but it is hard to notice because Kinger has no arms, only hands.
10:57 you can actually see kinger’s hand it’s hard to but it’s more so grabbing pomni’s wrist while holding everyone else’s hand
I think CAINE is not really an AI, maybe also a Digital avatar?
Like a dev or creator who got trapped aswell, so he still has dev tools and stuff, but he doesn't know how to code a way free??
@@senselesschild7463 it could be possible like he spent SO much time in the circus that he started to belive HES a AI
10:51 Actually, if you watch closely to the clip, kinger does indeed help her. It's just harder to notice because he just has a floating hand and no arms😭
Well, Caine *is* the literal creator of the digital circus and everything in it, so it would make sense in the long run.
There is one thing about digital service I don't understand who created it and why was it designed to trap people in there
I don’t think it was designed to trap people, it just is incapable of anything less than
You can see Kinger's hand in that scene if you watch it slower. It's hard to see at the end because it's in the back of the frame, but you can see it extend down quickly
Kinger's hand is seeing grabbing Pomni hand in the reprimanding of the Nightmare sequence at the end - it is difficult to notice it since he has no arms, but slowing it down, yes his hand is among the four rabbing her from the pit.
I’m hoping Gummigoo isn’t exactly erased and all it is that he just got teleported back to the Candy world and it all still runs without the humans being there.😞
I made an interesting observation regarding Digital Circus. The plot of TADC seems to be similar to an episode of The Twilight Zone called “5 Characters in Search of an Exit.” maybe these similarities are more than just coincidental.
usually theories are a stretch but this one sounds very plausible
i’d imagine that pomni isn’t able to see kinger being much of an aid to her sanity, given that the whole crew seems to expect him to abstract next. so she’s not entirely willing to connect with him yet
Personally I believe that Jax is the digital circus equivalent of Ted.
While ragata is the equivalent of Ellen.
Jax is likely acting this way as a coping mechanism to keep himself sane but at the end of the day he is probably the one who will pull through
I also believe that kinger is the equivalent of Gorroster with kinger being the one who is the able than Cain and able.
I reallly like the theory. We even get Gumigoo raising up from NPC status to awakening to the nature of reality, like a hylic suddenly being aware of their spirituality.
Wonderfully written analysis
So... i have a theory that expands on this one, and its based on how jax reacted to the funeral.
Im thinking that, unlike what most are thinking, its that Klaufo and Jax were close friends and he doesnt want to hear something that he would consider "fake" being said about his friend. Although not confirmed, this hinges on them having been brought into the game at the same time and having grown to live in it because they were together. I forget which book but there is a tale of the scorned lover who burned the city to the ground for not having wept like she did upon her heroic husbands death... unaware that they were crying, they were just holding a strong and honorable face just as her husband wouldve wanted to see.
In this instance the story of the scorned lover would be Jax and klaufo... but in more of an essence of a scorned brother. Coming from someone who loves his brother... if we were pulled into a video game with no hopes of escape and my brother lost his mind........ id want to destroy the game, to cause a much havoc and mayhem, and to sew as much chaos as i possibly could, before eventually losing myself too. Its odd to me, honestly... if this theroy is correct, then Jax should know that he also has a new family, as insensitive as it is, family isnt what your born into... its the people and friends you choose and those whom stand by you when your hurting, its the people who will raise you up for the smallest of victories, its the people who will help you through the pain and be that shoulder to cry on for you... it took me a very long time to learn this... but Jax and i seem rather similar (him being the obvious extreme)
But... hey thats just a theory. A youtube Theory, thanks for reading.
10:56 Kinger's hands are there, they're the pair of white gloves with no arms.
This show also reminds me a lot of The Good Place, another series about humans trapped in a world created by Demi-Urges, and who use philosophy to navigate their way to a better outcome
1:07
Wait, architects…. That sounds… familiar…. Wait…
Roblox Doors, newest Lore video from game theory, they mention how the curious and guiding lights are architects, and that there’s something above them
Oh, never thought TADC and Doors would have similar lore lol
It makes me wonder how the others got their name longer than Pomni's So either the others choose their name on their own volition instead of Caine giving them their names or there is more significance
What if C and A stands for Clone And Amplify? What if the company is trying to keep humans in the circus for long enough so that they could learn every single thing about them so they can make clones of them that are more powerful than the human counterparts? The abstracted are just those who have had every last bit of them observed by C and A so they don’t need them anymore.
Good theory but Gooseworx Confirmed that the Digital Circus cast Remember their past before the game they just forgot their names
20:57 kingers hand is there, it’s just behind the others
Kinger's hand was behind Ragatha's.
Kinger's hand was in the funeral scene. It is kind of hidden behind the others, and harder to catch without being attached to an arm. Jax's is definitely not there
10:59 Bro, Kinger is not left out. You can see his hand, its just hard to see. Its more obvious with everyone else because they have arms and he doesn't.
It’s amazing knowing that Gnosticism is being acknowledged now. And the fact that digital circus have crucial references with Gnosticism is both interesting and brilliant.
Also, for Caine, originally Cain is Elohim, Son of the Demiurge Saklas and Eve. And Abel is Yahweh, Brother of Cain. Just thought you’d want to know, regarding the apocryphon of John.
11:20 Kingers Hand is in the shot, you just can´t see it very well, because he has no arms.
you said that kinger's hand wasn't there to rescue pomni, but it was, just on the back, because he doesn't have arms e becomes hard to see, but it IS there, behind the other hands, jax is the only one not there
Gnosticism was not a response to Christianity. Gnosticism predates Christianity. However Gnosticism did combine with aspects of Christianity to produce early Gnostic-Christian sects
If you slow it down you actually see Kingers hand grabbing pomnis first. Remember since his hands just float he doesn't really have an arm.
I also think that the story plot is going to build up bit by bit in a sort of Gravity Falls kind of show, and I think this is also going to be like a main antagonist kind of show with Caine building up to be the main antagonist, like Wheatley from Portal, but a little more smarter
Waiting for his TADC OC design. Can't wait to see if he makes one
This is so good, that it should be considered a spoiler.
3:48 “my my”
5:04 You'll probably never see this but Gooseworx said on her Twitter that the only thing the humans don't remember is their name
Kinger is holding onto Pomni too, he's just in the back, take a good look at it and you will see a white habd beside gangles and Ragatha's, its hard to see but he is there
If you look closely, you can see that Kinger's hand is there; it's just hard to see because he does not have an arm.
I think Kinger is gonna abstract at some point, causing Pomni to try and save him and the rest of the abstracted characters.
Kinger’s hand is there it’s on the other side of pomni’s hand you can see his fingers behind her arm.
Actually, Kingler gave her his hand too, but it’s not pretty noticeable since he doesn’t have arms
Sooooo if Caine is a god to the NPC does that mean an computer virus would be seen as an devil or some sort of eldritch horror (I know those are two different things but you get the idea)
3:20
Yep the Caine and Abel detail, even though I’m not Religious at all, I love all this Religious theming for stories, and all that Spiritual stuff, it call go sooooooooo deep, and I love that ❤
10:49 if you pause here you can see Kinger's hand
There's a book on this sort of stuff you may find interesting - _How to Be a God: A Guide for Would-Be Deities_
It's mostly about the intersection between theology and virtual worlds (y'know, MMOs etc), but I'd say its relevant here.
i think if there is a way out, and if Pomni gets everyone to work with her, they'll all have to fight Caine to gain their freedom
You should make a video about how Caine is like AM from I have no mouth and I must scream. Because the creators said that Caine is based on AM.
1:07 that makes caine archetic
5:05 This is wrong, Gooseworx has made a clarification post on twitter that the humans dont have their whole memories whipped. They still remember many aspects of their original lives, just not everything like their names. And perhaps maybe a few key details like the game.
Imma need you to have a new circus ‘sona set
10:58 you can see kingers floating hand behinde the others
Kinger's hand was lifting Pomni too
10:55
It's everyone at the funeral that's grabbing her hand. Sep through the frames and you'll see a ribben, a glove, a doll hand and arm, and whatever you'd call Zoobles limb.
Have you considered that maybe the game has only been for a few minutes, but in the computer, time is perceived to move faster so 5 min to use could be a year
I do want to know if Gummigoo might have any connections to this narrative? Also another theorist like you explored the theory that Kingeris the creator of the game and id love to see your opinion on that
They do have memories, they just dont remember thier names that's it
Maybe pomni falls into the cellar and finds a way to un-abstract people
Do you wonder if we'll ever find out what actually happens to the body of the person that goes into the game? Like I think wouldn't there be like a body of a person without a consciousness behind the computer desk? If anybody has any ideas, bring them on because I haven't a clue. thank you.
I’ve been having a theory that what if Caine is also a human trapped. He’s one of the creators and got trapped during like a beta testing? He pretends to be an AI so the other characters feel like there is a hope within and don’t hate him for “being the ones who got them stuck” basically if he’s someone who made the game. I’m not sure how bubble would fit in tho with my mini theory, or if bubble is the real AI NPC thing- idk it’s a dumb theory I made
This is a safety protocol if he has to intervene
Yo CT in helluvaboss Ozzie's fix says that moxie is from wrath.
i believe that the one to betray her would do it for a reason like to save an old lost friend or even partner like Kingers wife.
Yeah I worship Caine
my guy is NOT christs most devoted💀