Why Abstraction Is TERRIFYING! - The Amazing Digital Circus
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I can imagine a kid curiously watching this seemingly kid-friendly show, and then leaving being introduced to a concept like abstraction that makes death look preferable.
Every generation needs some kind of trauma from a kid's show! My generation got The Lich, the previous generation got disney animated movies XD
Courage the cowardly dog made my childhood more memorable till now
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@@TrueLocalEnthusiastThe Lich and The Beast from over the garden wall
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast A fellow Adventure Timer I see?
Mine was Steven Universe since I watched that show more…
I think Jax even shows slight signs of abstraction by showing boredom. Him not getting entertained enough could drive him to insanity, causing abstraction.
I think at this point Kinger might not become abstracted in a long while. (He will probably will get abstracted in the show but alot later.) Dude has probably lost his lover and he still is hanging. His mental fortitude even when he's a schizo lunatic is insane.
Also i am guessing the series is inspired alot by i have no mouth but i must scream
Bro is a flavor of crazy that is almost protective. He's not desperate or depressed, he's vibing. Can't go nuts if you are already, but it's a crazy that doesn't kill
Do you age in the digital realm ?
@@qua_xor3348even the creator admitted it being by inspiring it
Reminds me of Ice King lol
I will say this. I think Ragatha is the next to abstract, she will be a heavy punch for Pomni as the only important character that tries to help here and we get hints of her demise in these 2 episodes if you ask me.
In episode 1 she glitches saying in how much pain she is, due to an abtraction (aka Kofmo), she also shows hints of mental instability when she talks about losing hope, despite her happy demeanor she seems to be barely holding on imo.
In episode 2 she literally gets impaled by a candy spike which could be foreshadowing her death through a simple gag.
I might be overthinking it but I do think that if anyone in the group will become abstracted, Ragatha will be the one.
Honestly I could definitely see it, however I think Kinger is the closest one considering how unstable his mind is at this point.
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast Kinger's instability is possibly a boon in disguise. Sure he's completely insane, but he's crazy in a benign way. He can never lose hope, because he's always in a sort of daydream-like haze. With consistent memory loss, coping mechanisms will never stop working, because for him, it's always the first time he does or hears something. Kinger is completely off his rocker, but I think that works in his favor ultimately
I also think the spike through the heart might be forshadowing a romance between her and Pomni, only to have it ripped away with Ragatha abstracting, leaving behind a broken heart.
@@indiemedley1209I couldn't have said it in a better way.
Also, is Kinger really that crazy? The reason why he seems crazy is his memory loss that comes and goes (that is also the reason why he keeps getting startled), but if it wasn't for that, he's actually a pretty reasonable person. Even wise and self-aware, at times: "we're really bad at this"
also a prediction on who arrived to the digitial circus
1. Kinger obviously
2. Most likely Gangle since she also appears to just be fully accepting of her character
3. Jax since he clearly takes full advantage of the world he now lives in
4. Ragatha since she is still pretty human
5. Zooble since all she wants to do is stay away from any adventures and would rather be alone
6. Pomni for clear reasons
Abstraction is also the way out. It proves that the player's mental state actually affects the simulation in a way it can't wholly control. Figuring out a way to Abstract correctly and turn those powers on Cane, is probably the only way out
I think of abstraction as a literal interpretation of what you feel mentally when you finally break down and have a mental health crisis. It just feels all too familiar to me as a person who has had plenty of those in the past.
So it's like real life but technically worse because living forever ♾️ as a many eyed insane fiend with a whole new level of schizophrenia is worse than death itself because the suffering never ends.
This feels very lovecraftian
Definitely, way scarier than I thought it would be
Gooseworx took some inspiration from cosmic horror, if I recall it properly
I think it's interesting to try and separate the instabilities that the characters got in the circus from the ones that they already had in their real lives. Pomni already arrives displaying severe symptons of anxiety, and Gangle has an avatar made outta the idea of masking depression. To understand how they arrived into the circus may help us to also understand how the circus will affect them. Kinda like how Kinger's dementia prevents him from totally losing it. Considering characters like Gangle, Ragatha and Zooble, I highly doubt that the avatars are designed upon nothing
I feel you underestimate Kinger
Gangle on the other hand
Gangle will be fine, as long as people stop breaking her Comedy Mask.
I doubt they would pull an Arcane and kill characters before they get to have any arcs or purpose, pretty much giving most of the cast plot shealds for the time being. No one actually has a chance to go for a while, Other than maybe Ragatha since her main purpose in the plot kinda already finished in episode 2
@@ddesmarais7251for real, I feel like Ragatha is hanging on by a thread
This video was supposed to be release THREE DAYS AGO! I kid you not my wifi has just been refusing to work with me!
I would've raged the 4th try and broke my wifi router
@@Pico983 You have no idea how close I was XD
move starbucks buddy, nice vid btw
The key to not being abstracted is basically “d e t e r m i n a t i o n”
If this were anything else, I'd berate you for that obvious Undertale joke. But... you're right. Ultimately, it is strength of will and determination that prevents you from abstracting.
Well, since you're immortal in the Digital world, of course it's an eventuality, the same way that if you were immortal in real life, you'd eventually break your spine. Or you'd eventually meet a billion people. Or really anything. Everything that can happen _will_ happen given eternity. And if I was taken to the Circus, that probably would be my biggest fear or at least the most existential thing I'd be thinking about. That I'm here forever and if I can't keep myself healthy and stimulated with Caine's activities literally forever I will experience abstraction.
The very idea that you will abstract no matter what is a great kickstart into the actual process
@@n_coder that's true
What makes it more scary is what happens to the body of an abstract avatar, are they dead or would also lose their minds 😨
Maybe they're left in vegetative state
This is under the assumption that they still keep the body around. Perhaps their consciousness was uploaded and once their mind was in the circus the body was simply disposed of. Or maybe they are just a copy pasted memory of whoever put on the headset and there is a real them somewhere outside the digital realm.
Just some disturbing potential theories, escape might just be impossible.
And abstraction monsters are more like animals? 1:34 like here its grooming itself lika cat!
The thing is when people abstract a new human takes their place
There's no proof of that. And the members wouldve commented on that pattern
@@malcolmsaint fair point it’s just weird how pomni arrived at the same time koufmo abstracted
i believe this theory too. people have noted similarities to other characters not in the show like a dog character and queenie. maybe after they abstracted, they were replaced by characters who are similar?
Why do people say that you can't sleep in the circus? Nothing ever said or even alluded to that in the first episode and in the second one we see Pomni sleep.
Don't need =/= Can't
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast There are many people specifically saying that they can't, and the way you worded it made me think that was what you meant.
@@ZsoronZ honest mistake, don't know why people are saying that
Abstraction really reminds me of “madoka magica” with the hole turning in to a monster(witch)
I do wonder if that anime was a inspiration in some way
absolutely. not in a bad way, i feel like gooseworx took inspiration from multiple sources for this show
Now I wonder what if someone in the circus tried to abstract as many people as possible as fast as possible in order to sabotage it
Wait, if you abstract when you become crazy, why Kinger isn’t abstract?(Is something that I don’t understand)
He's holding on by a thread...
Well he may be crazy but he hasn't lost himself yet
Well, it really just happens when you reach your breaking point. Kinger doesn’t seem like he’s quite there yet.
He has serious short term memory loss.
I think abstracting has more to do with your fortitude, and character.
Kinger has shown no signs of despair.
Personally the theory I’m going with is that abstraction only disconnects you from your model. Kaufmo isn’t the beast in the room. His mind is somewhere else, and the leftover model is what is attacking them.
That's odd because you can see Kaufmo's pov (not just a camera angle since the vision is distorted) when the abstraction found Pomni so there's still maybe a conciousness in it.
I think Jax knows that being a dick gives him the best chance to not abstract for a long time. If you ground yourself to a person and they abstract your going down with them. Being a dick to everyone means that new people that new people that come to the circus now prolong the inevitable by giving you new people to be a dick too.
It in short is just Immortal Vampire Zombie
The show is an allegory for the exisential crisis i experienced following a particularly powerful mushroom experience.
The memory loss is not gradual. Nobody has any memories when they arrive, hence why they're given a 'random' name.
You yourself mentioned Patches and it worked realy well for him he lived thru all of existance by being an a-hole, he is THE UNBREAKABLE for good reason, dont you think?
Amazing digital circus Sounds fun sign me
What if abstracting is the only way to get out of the Circus?
I think extreme apathy and curiosity can probably last you a while, after all, there seems like a lot of stuff to explor in the digital circus.
is that the slay the princess ost in the background, such a gem of a game
Basically turning into a chaos spawn
It seems inspired by "I have no mouth and I must scream" novel.
You know what if pomni was the second to abstract and the show follows everybody else
It would show how harsh things actually are
0:40 So are you saying that Caine is subject to abstraction, too? That's been one of my mini-obsessions since I first saw this show: Can Caine abstract?
He's an super intelligent ai that doesnt understand human emotions, so probably not.
Key word being "Person" I don't know what he is but I doubt he's a normal person in any way.
The Amazing Digital Circus propose the question: what would happen if your mind died before your body? With immortal bodies, eventually your mind will give in, turning into a hollow/abstraction
Ironically, it is Kinger's absent mindedness that prevents him from abstracting. His mind wanders off, he blankly stares at things, he experiences bouts of short and long term memory loss. If he had a breakdown, he'll probably have forgotten he had one 2 minutes later. It's funny, actually. He staves off insanity by being crazy.
Respect for you using the Slay the Princess OST.
Although I love that game greatly I shall be honest and say that was Hollow knight music
Tastes like fanfiction...
There seem to be two themes in the show so far. The players are trapped. The GM doesn't know what he's doing, and is lying.
This world is presumably a relatively recent creation, since computers have only been around for so long. We don't know how stable this pkace is, or how stable Caine is. Either one collasping would prevent the inevitability of abstraction for everyone.
It’s very sad.
These humans lost control of their own minds and became a monstrous glitching beast, and then Caine banishes them to the cellar.
We got stop Caine.
Honestly the two I see most likely to abstract next are either Gangle or Zooble.
Gangle: Seems to try and hold on by hiding behind a mask of happiness but it’s literally and figuratively a very fragile mask. Not sure how long she can keep that up.
Zooble: First of they seem to try their hardest to stay out of all the adventures which means they do not only spend a lot of time alone but also receive very little stimulus which will probably lead to a great deal of hopelessness and stress leading to abstraction. To add salt to the wound they probably got the worst luck when it comes to their new body, their uneven, unbalanced, falls apart easily and can barely walk. Also they seem to suffer from memory loss more than the rest since while the others forgot their names Zooble also forgot their gender, who knows what more they forgot.
Government need to pay him 500k due to the mistske
I bet Ragatha will become a villian in the future.
Everything you said in the video sounded like Hell without the fire
this is basically a metaphor for irl death.
tbh Abstraction didnt look bad in episode 1 because they kind of turned it into a joke with how it beat on Ragatha and the Gloiks queen. So either it isn't that bad or the tone was a little off
for some reason i find pomni kinda reletable
Who doesn’t?
@@SorielHDTBers dunno, but Kinger is Relatable too Lmao
@@SmollRuby Okay, that I feel less people would relate to.
@@SorielHDTBers i mean the most reletable is that he's 50/50 insane and forgetful or a genius, i kinda relate to that not gonna lie
@@SmollRubyagreed
Kinger avoids abstracting because he made the madness his identity.
I have my own theories in relation to the show. What if there are no actual humans present during the show? What if they're just copy's of the real persons mind and the actual people are still living out in the real world unaware that a virtual copy of themself is getting tortured in a program somewhere.
Thing about it logistically. How are these vr headset wearing humans alive after all this time? They would need food and water, and to do their body functions. How exactly are they surviving all this time like vegetables?
I believe that C&A, the logo we see when Pomni is running through the halls in the pilot, is a company using humans as test subjects for their developing VR headset and Pomni was an intern working for them and try out one out of curiosity
What do you think?
Hot take, I think Zooble will abstract first. I noticed in the latest episode that everyone seems to have some sort of attitude/coping mechanism towards dealing with their situation. Ragatha choses to be positive and play along with what’s going on to keep up some normalcy. Jax choses to have fun by being mischievous.(Think that one person playing a video game that takes joy in breaking the game and low key harassing the npcs by attacking everything. Something kinda like that) I realize that this isn’t Gangle’s fault, but I think her strategy is expressing emotion. That is a healthy way of dealing with something like this, I think. Pomni doesn’t seem to have a method yet because she is in a constant state of panic and confusion. She may or may not find a strategy in later episodes idk. I wasn’t sure about Kinger’s UNTIL episode 2 when he’s comforting Ragatha, who is worried that Pomni is having a bad time. He basically says not to worry because he remembers when she was the same way when she arrived to the circus. But when Ragatha responds, he is basically like “what?” Totally forgetting what he said. I think his method is disassociation. Zooble’s is the leaat constructive because it involves pessimism and avoidance, something that will not help to find normalcy, and avoiding missions provides a distraction, but Zooble has actively avoided (or tried to avoid) every mission provided up to this point.
My prediction, Pomni delete or freeing all human but she will stuck there forever because of caine until she abstract
I think Jax is going to be the next one to start abstracting. He seems to be clinging to the missions almost desperately during the episodes so far. He follows them to a T and completes them in the most efficient way possible. Hes losing interest. He might have a mental break here soon before Kinger does but i think Pomni or the others are going to notice in time and save him.
Its an escape
It’s even worse if what I think is true which is these are not the original humans who put on the headset but digital copies made by scanning those peoples brains. There is no way out because you were never a
Person and the original is still alive in the meat space probably completely unaware a sentient copy of themselves is suffering in a digital purgatory.
Even escaping into the net if possible wouldn’t be a solution. As most of the internet is not equipped to handle a digital engram. Frankly they just don’t have vr spaces for them. It’s not like you become an all powerful AI like Caine just because your mind is copied. You still think like a human and in a way are limited by that.
Either way all that awaits you is an infinite amount of time and no matter how you try to fill it or where you go eventually it will become meaningless and you will abstract where it take one year or a thousand.
0:10
I’ve been saying this ever since the pilot came out. This is NOT a kid show.
Since you said so, I MIGHT watch this, MIGHT if I do like it then we’ll I like it :/
Do it. *TLE said calmly*
Very Nice
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nice video
Thank you :D
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast your have you ever heard of a show called detentionaire it's good 👍👍👍👍
pfft my mind is strong enough to not abstract especially if i get to larp all day
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Seems you're first :)
@@TrueLocalEnthusiastI clicked the notification way to fast thats why 🙉
@@TrueLocalEnthusiastfan of your content to
They did not say that the character had to go to the Tolilet
Is that an ai voice?
no...
@@TrueLocalEnthusiastthat has to be the most wild thing to say ever
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast LOL I KNOW THATSAN AI VOICE AHBABAHAHAHAHNJDHEWJFVRDSIGHUFJWETY98237RU328908R209RIUF2389FU82EUFJWEUSDYFJOWEISUVIJOSDKCYHBHJFODKLGHWJIRKSHFNOEW,JHDS
@@macar0n. lol
A little late 😢😅
Early also I love your videos :)
u sould check out murder drones it also glich show that is rlly good nightmare fuel
Sure it is lil bro
*Abstracts you*
Lol
I mean you can die eventually
Nope. People inside the dimension can't die nor do they age.
@@TrueLocalEnthusiast I mean Cain has been implied that he possibly deleted a human on accident....
Continue the mewing streek everyone 🧏