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The problem with hec is that he is the perfect definition of what a laner expects of a jungler. He can clear fast so your laner can't ping your xp gap. He can gank lanes with cc so your laners can follow the gank. He can engage so your team can follow. He can duel well because of his AOE and bonus healing when more enemies are in his W. He has good peel with his E and R so you can protect your Adc. Ultimately he does enough damage with Q so he can carry gapped laners. Hecarim is the definition of everything your 0/10 yasuo is complaining about.
@SANS_YT one of my favorite things to do back when I used to play ranked was to stop autoing if I had a kill secured and just follow them and do a few Qs to finish them off lol.
Most champions that are just brainless run at you and hit you champs are this way. It’s just more noticeable with hecarim because when he is too strong, you aren’t getting away from him and he’s too tanky to one shot.
Movement speed and mobility are probably the biggest factors in how good a champion is. When you have a champion that is all about MS, any buff or nerfs on him go to the extreme (Also seen with Lilia, Irelia, etc.)
I’m interested because I actually picked up Hecarim in one of his weaker states. Then I was hearing of his glory days with Turbo Chemtank. When his buffs dropped a few weeks ago I was very excited.
Chemtank meta was funny but awful Only 4 champ were played : Oldyr/Heca/Skarner/Mundold and since they are braindead even a player who is like 4 time worst than u can beat u if he got a better team Like a good and a bad Bard u will see a huge difference but a bad and a good Heca does the same A good OP champ make loserqueue winnable, a bad OP champ make winnable game unlosable (kinda like Vayne did in the durability patch) so any Chemtank champ were like that making winnable game even easier making loserQ/WinnerQ even worst
Hecarim has the pre-rework Maokai problem. For context before Maokai got updated in the mid season tank update, Maokai was described as a generalist champion, a champion who could do a little bit of everything, in Maokai’s case, he can peel, engage, do damage etc. while also not having a really defined weakness. The problem with that was the moment Maokai was powerful he was everywhere but the moment he is weak he has no presence. This is why Maokai was reworked in 2017 and was defined more for his engage and being an anti caster to make him less of a generalist. This is a similar case for Hecarim, where he can do a little bit of everything: burst, consistent damage, tankiness, mobility, cc, etc., but again like old Maokai if he gets too weak he can’t do much.
@@horticulturalist7818 no his current iteration is still more situational than pre tank update just less conditional in his abilities. Remember he’s still not as strong against auto attackers as before, it’s just now he can charge his passive a little faster now with hitting champions with saplings.
Hecarim used to be a very bad duelist who's prone to being invaded. That compensated for is unusual excellency at both ganking and clearing. The jungle had less sustain in earlier seasons too, so even with his W, Hecarim often fell low on HP while clearing. If he went for a full clear, by the time he was finished, he wouldn't have the HP to gank. Recent seasons indirectly fixed all those weaknesses. There's so much sustain in the jungle nobody gets low HP during clears, that allows Hecarim to full clear and stay full HP. He don't have to choose between ganking and farming anymore, he does both. In addition, with all junglers finishing their clears with more HP, invades become riskier to pull off as a healthier enemy jungler takes longer to kill and, therefore, is more likely to get collapsed on by his teammates. Last, but not least, conqueror singlehandedly fixed Hecarim's early skirmish weakness. With all of his main weaknesses removed, he got into a state where he is either top tier or his numbers are so low he is not worth picking. For Hecarim to become mid tier he'd have to lose conqueror somehow and the jungle will have to shift in a way it is more early bullying friendly.
One big reason he also is so permabroken is how his E works. Every other champions damage can be dodged or mitigated in some way. See fizz q or qiyana e-q which can be flashed. But Hecarims damage has literally zero counterplay. It is just so damn inevitable. You cant flash or cc cancel or do anything to stop him E'ing onto you, and even if by some miracle you can through like an azir wall he still has that r button to guarantee it goes through anyways. He is the ultimate stat checker which you can't ever outplay.
I agree that it is a little difficult to play around and he is Stat checky. but once hec jumps using his E it doesn't auto track. Any well timed dash blink or flash actually negates it. As a hec player I actually have to keep an eye out for those abilities early game so I don't waste a majority of his dmg and cc. As for late game... yeah he's busted with ult.
Vars can i ask you a question? Catchers and Wardens are pretty much the same but: Catchers: create debuff areas that give their partners space to get in basically are *agressive*. Wardens: create buff areas for your partners to be in what makes impossible for the enemies to get in that area they are *defensive*. If that is the case ivern would not be an warden and a catchers his q is more of a catcher ability his w is a warden ability and his e and r are balanced between defensively and offensively.
As a wildrift heca main ths is really helpfull because I can better understand my champion and why I can dominate some matches and completely lose others. The idea of "gotta go fast" to outpace the enemy jungler so that you can snowball better was kind of vague for me but you explained it really well. I also recently started playing League PC and this also helps.
Its kinda sad that hecarim is this way, i liked his playstyle a lot, fast horse goes wroom bonks and dies\kills but i dont like playing op or weak champions, just something near average power level. Atleast he is not conceptually broken like a good quarter of champ roster, there were so many situations where i was losing 1v1 to half hp bruisers that were behind me in items, especially with phase rush.
a small fix that came into mind was when u mentioned that everything he has is almost point and click. so here's my random solution: q does 110% (of how much ever the base damage right now is) damage in front of hecarim and 80% damage behind him this won't change his ganks or his dives but would affect his consistent aoe damage and give an element of aiming to his 1 dimensional kit
Rammus also has a similar amount of speed, and can go really fast with his q. Kassadin also can sort of kite him, because of his ult, and once his ult is stacked up, he can just riftwalk in, use his combo, flash/riftwalk out if hecarim doesn’t die.
I was a Paladins player and started playing League on the start of last year, in the Chemtank meta. I still remember the first time I died to a Hecarim. The game balance looked reasonable until then, but that thing bugged my mind. I asked my gold friend why there was a champion running around faster than everyone, dealing more damage than everyone and being tankier than everyone, and he answered "Welcome to League of Legends"
I think the problem is Hecarim benefits from building tempo, he builds MS he get AD, while all other junglers need to sacrifice something if they want to build more MS that would give them better tempo, Hecarim is on a win-win situation over the rest of the jungler cast, I think you could balance him with a change of passive.
@@godwinuwaeme3472 It's always being too op that every single player picks them, or too weak that no one bothers, these 2 has same kind of problem that they do their things too effectively compare to every other champs in the same class
@@godwinuwaeme3472 I have to see a response but I think it's the "this champ satisfies everything you want out of their role" issue that Hecarim has. Compared to other enchanter supports, Yuumi can do almost everything anyone else does but with an important addition of safety. She can poke, heal, apply passive shields, be a troll to enemy laners, has a super-ultimate that can CC a number of opponents, all with the benefit of choosing whether she wants to be targetable or not. Hence, she's one of the few supports that almost never takes Flash because being able to get away from being focused in a fight isn't an issue for her most of the time. And yeah, she's very easy to play.
I don't think Hecarim could change from being so volatile unless he was reworked. Because he directly converts tempo into combat pressure, He's custom built to be the ultimate jungler and anytime that that tempo is a little bit too much combat pressure it feels really oppressive. So without fundamentally changing the way his kit works and the way that he works as a character he will remain the same way at just as volatile
I'd give him life of fun changes to up the Risk: Warpath: Portion of his MS is turned into AD, When reaching Additional 50%MS Cooldowns reduce Quicker.(basically the timer counts down faster) he builds up speed while running, Gaining up to 20% MS, Stays for an additional 2 Sec. Q:Damages infront Circle instead. W:Healing is Reduced, Grants extra Damage Reduction upon Dealing 20% of Champion's Health. E: is honestly Fine, good cc, Can mainly hit one person, Can hit more if aimed. R:CC is increased up to Hecarim, Horsemen in the outer Slow and Cripple instead.
I wonder if between lilia and hecraim the reason one works better on solo is because of his bruiser playstyle since outside of that both of them have a tempo focused gameplay
imo the squishier you are the more you rely on your team, so since hecarim is tankier than lillia he doesn't have to coordinate as much to make plays and live.
@@sarunightamber701 Rammus doesn't come close to the maximum potential movespeed Hecarim has. Think ghost + blue jg item + cloud soul (as well as cloud soul ult) + boots + E. Even without cloud soul, you can easily reach 800-900 movement speed during a fight in mid/late game. Heca also has higher average movespeed/tempo throughout the entire map over the course of a game, whereas Rammus' movespeed comes into play during ganks/fights when he activates his ability to chase after someone. Rammus is fast, but Hecarim is the fastest in the game.
I've seen the argument for releasing or updating champions over tuned because then you can nerf what they do that they're not supposed or nerf the weaknesses they're supposed to have into them leaving them just being strong at what they're supposed to be strong at where as if they start weak and you try to buff their strength into them it is much more likely to have unexpected consequences
Hey Vars I have a nice video idea for you. This is about how lifesteal or omnivamp be and this is pretty interesting one because items that give you omnivamp was designed for spell casters that needs sustain in their kit or ap bruisers but right now it is nearly only used by the ap bruisers and skirmisher. Skirmishers using it because they can use omnivamp for the fullest potential because of their 1 targetable abilities.Since they most of the time do not deal with omnivamps 33 percent penalty on AOE abilities they use it better than the spell casters that require sustain in their kit. Another thing is that the champs that has sustain in their kit cannot use omnivamp at their fullest potential while some other characters can which makes nonsustaining champs do a better job than a sustaining champion. For example riven has no sustain in her kit but with 1 gore drinker she can heal like how aatrox can because of her auto attacks are not affected by 33 percent penalty and she is basically having a stat that she is balanced for not having it. Should items give a healing boost rather than straight healing or this system is good right now. I really want to hear your thoughts about this. Love ur content
Man yhis is gunna break my heart. Hec was my main for a couple years when he was released.....his ups and downs has been...perplexing. mostly down ima but thats mostly becasue of the state of the game more than his kit.
Seeing hecarim kill taliyah was physically painful. My biggest problem with hecarim is his sheer speed, stacking seconds that add up over the course of a game while providing virtually no warning to when he shows up like the evelynn's and viegos of the world.
Hecarim was the reason I started to play jungle. He is such a solid design with a really easy and fun kit. Besides these buffs Heca received a few weeks back, I believe the last time I've seen him this strong was runes got reworked for the first time (season 5?). Thunderlord Hecarim was so OP at the time and then he was nerfed to the ground. Then, next time he became "relevant" was the following rework the runes and "predator" Heca was a thing. The problem was he was so weak, any other champion that ran predator was doing better, then predator was nerfed to the ground and he was kinda forgotten until recently.
Being non existent/ pick or ban junglers is Hecarim I agree there. Plus he is stupidly easy to play so that helps. I think LeBlanc would take that crown for mid, but she is a bit harder to pull off than Hecarim is
love the video , i completely agree that hecarim is volatile and basically unfun to play against. The funniest ting about this is that he does all of this without considering what hes going to be like next patch with that Jg pet that gives movement speed
Also: this isn’t relevant to this, but executes can be blocked. I’ve blocked a garen’s ultimate with pantheon’s e, and as Pyke, a kayle used her ultimate right before she was about to be executed by death from below.
FWIW Vars, I think if a champion is only played when overtuned, that makes it a Why No One Plays. You have covered champions in that series with playrate spikes during such periods already, Hecarim just gets those spikes more than most.
riot is always too heavy handed with his buffs and nerfs. when he OP he's jesus christ and when he's weak, only the one tricks can do well on him (like mr doaenal)
as of this patch 13.2 hecarim is 47% win rate, i would argue that the champ isnt as simple as he seems. Of he just r's in with assassin build he often doesnt actually oneshot the adc. with the assassin playstyle you need to be VERY clean with your Q's and movement, if you mess up E once you just die
True. Heca is a simple champ with a simple, easy to understand kit, but properly utilizing it to it's full potential is hard. Heca was completely braindead during preseason, but it's very different nowadays. Even when very fed, you still have to be very clean with your movement & not get hit by CC. In addition, knowing when/how to use E and W. Baiting out/dodging abilities (with E), faking your E, comboing E with your ult to instantly switch target, etc. I can't say the same about other champions that become unkillable when fed regardless of skill. Couple months ago you'd usually be running radiant virtue which let you play as a very tanky bruiser, able to tank 5 people if you're fed enough. Now I just run eclipse or duskblade & clean up enemy backline. Died a lot & played poorly when I made the switch to a more assassin orientee playstyle because my movement was bad (radiant virtue functioned as a crutch).
See the problem is that most bruiser type champs lack in mobility, hecarims thing IS mobility, while also having decent cc healing and damage he’s a jack of all trades with no real weakness, so if he’s not weak then he’s strong af
I think u mean "Juggernaut" when u said "bruiser". Because the last time I check, Irelia and Camille are also "bruiser", and they're, by any mean, immobile.
He’s a diver. It’s in their archetype to have strong/reliable engage, decent cc and some form of either sustain or mitigation that allowed them to fight their way out after getting on the primary target. This makes them almost by definition jack of all trades. The only thing most of them lack is teammate utility. You can do almost anything on them. Either a wukong situation where you are a bruiser 99% of the time. Rengar can decide between one shotting anyone and outhealing a mundo. And j4 who either sits there for hours in a fight or dies instantly.
Yeah I'd rather get trampled by Heca than being blown up in mere moments out of nowhere by a bug that does the jumpy jumpy. Or some guy with the world's weirdest set of goggles...at least you can always SEE the guy and attempt to return fire. Yis are always trying to get as much Alpha strike cheese in as possible and the bug...well yeah...
You often make the point that Jg technically doesn’t have to interact with the other jungles, but I find this to be false. A good jungler won’t just farm their own camps when they’re ahead, thus being in the other jg’s “lane”. Not every jg will let you farm your camps til 6 and farm, and invades are more and more common lately I find
I've never understood why Hecarim gains damage while building movement speed but doesn't lose it when slowed. From an adc main standpoint I'll always permaban Hecarim when he's strong and/or my team doesn't want to first pick him, because if I don't I simply don't get to play the game, just because the fucking horse will perma dive me in every fight while my team of randoms does nothing about it.
I very much enjoy hecarim. I’ll play him when he’s turbo op and I just play kayn when people pick him. Very much prefer hec to be pick ban then shit like yi and Diana
I feel that Hecarim has too much going on kinda like Warwick does. They are such effective junglers that they will never be really bad at doing their job. Attack speed, healing, movement speed, cc, fear etc... they have the TP (total package). When nerfed however, i almost never see Heca and i wish it would stay that way because i feel that even when nerfed, he's still a very viable jungler.
I think Hecarim's problem is his speed and durability. No other bruiser is that fast, imagine for a moment if Darius or Illaoi were as fast as Hecarim. No one who is fast, is that durable for free. Perhaps if they balance Hecarim as some sort of.....squishier skirmisher of some sort, trade durability for speed. Or make him less fast to keep his bruiser/fightery role but...I doubt anyone would like that since he's iconic for speed and being a horse, iconic fast animals.
weird darius always lose top lane the main hard thing about hecarim is if u play him full ad like me he become true assasin but very squichy. there where skills of player matter the most i need to one shot all carry enemy player without getting any cc
Yea he can just do anything tbh. I was playing with my friend and i forgot to change my spell to smite and holy shit i still managed to get 8 kills with just 4 death and countless assist. All you need to do when playing hecarim is just gank and gank and gank
hecarim's kit is kinda wierd though, one partwants to burst with speed (passive, e and r) yet the other wants to take it slow and sustain (q and w). that is i think the main issue they have a harder time balancing him
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The problem with hec is that he is the perfect definition of what a laner expects of a jungler. He can clear fast so your laner can't ping your xp gap. He can gank lanes with cc so your laners can follow the gank. He can engage so your team can follow. He can duel well because of his AOE and bonus healing when more enemies are in his W. He has good peel with his E and R so you can protect your Adc. Ultimately he does enough damage with Q so he can carry gapped laners. Hecarim is the definition of everything your 0/10 yasuo is complaining about.
don't forget that he is extremley hard to kite because of his movement speed so he has huge stick potential.
@SANS_YT one of my favorite things to do back when I used to play ranked was to stop autoing if I had a kill secured and just follow them and do a few Qs to finish them off lol.
Also his R is a malphite ulti light with huge damage zone.
You can't outrun him most of the time so if he get fed you cannot avoid getting run over.
Gud person
"he can duel wel cause of his AOE" ?????? that doesnt make any sense at all xD
Most champions that are just brainless run at you and hit you champs are this way. It’s just more noticeable with hecarim because when he is too strong, you aren’t getting away from him and he’s too tanky to one shot.
Bro video isnt even out
@@froglifes6829 Guy basically predicted the video
ah yes trundle gaming
I mean that is every game in the world
Movement speed and mobility are probably the biggest factors in how good a champion is. When you have a champion that is all about MS, any buff or nerfs on him go to the extreme (Also seen with Lilia, Irelia, etc.)
singed will always be relatively underrated regardless of how strong he is in the meta
@@corndog7813 hes literally the best top laner rn
@@djembe7900 he literally has one of the lowest Pickrates, the high winrate is because of one tricks.
@@Bob-tq9ny but the champion is fucking op if u just can survive lane with it, which shouldnt be that hard, everyone just wants to try proxy and int
@@CATJAMMING7272 fine, I'll stop inting, you can have your 100% winrate.
Riot always somehow makes Hecarim so strong at the start and end of every season
Hell with the way jungle is shaping up, Hec might be one of the most broken picks during Preseason 13.
@@Ratty524 I can't wait for the amount of nerfs and buffs every jungler is going to get. Preseason patch notes are going to long.
@@Ratty524 and he is, fuck that champ
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I’m interested because I actually picked up Hecarim in one of his weaker states. Then I was hearing of his glory days with Turbo Chemtank. When his buffs dropped a few weeks ago I was very excited.
fuck the old hecarim and udyr with chemtank was absurd you literally had them every game I envy you for not being there xD
And chemtank is STILL broken with manamune and chempunk chainsword
Chemtank meta was funny but awful
Only 4 champ were played : Oldyr/Heca/Skarner/Mundold and since they are braindead even a player who is like 4 time worst than u can beat u if he got a better team
Like a good and a bad Bard u will see a huge difference but a bad and a good Heca does the same
A good OP champ make loserqueue winnable, a bad OP champ make winnable game unlosable (kinda like Vayne did in the durability patch) so any Chemtank champ were like that making winnable game even easier making loserQ/WinnerQ even worst
@@citizencj3389 deaths dance too
I also picked him up in his really weak state right after the chemtank nerfs and did well with him. Now any buff feels unfair
Hecarim has the pre-rework Maokai problem. For context before Maokai got updated in the mid season tank update, Maokai was described as a generalist champion, a champion who could do a little bit of everything, in Maokai’s case, he can peel, engage, do damage etc. while also not having a really defined weakness. The problem with that was the moment Maokai was powerful he was everywhere but the moment he is weak he has no presence. This is why Maokai was reworked in 2017 and was defined more for his engage and being an anti caster to make him less of a generalist. This is a similar case for Hecarim, where he can do a little bit of everything: burst, consistent damage, tankiness, mobility, cc, etc., but again like old Maokai if he gets too weak he can’t do much.
But likewise when hes strong he can do everything, you are 100% correct.
New maokai kinda like that too tho pol
@@horticulturalist7818 no his current iteration is still more situational than pre tank update just less conditional in his abilities. Remember he’s still not as strong against auto attackers as before, it’s just now he can charge his passive a little faster now with hitting champions with saplings.
Hecarim used to be a very bad duelist who's prone to being invaded. That compensated for is unusual excellency at both ganking and clearing. The jungle had less sustain in earlier seasons too, so even with his W, Hecarim often fell low on HP while clearing. If he went for a full clear, by the time he was finished, he wouldn't have the HP to gank.
Recent seasons indirectly fixed all those weaknesses. There's so much sustain in the jungle nobody gets low HP during clears, that allows Hecarim to full clear and stay full HP. He don't have to choose between ganking and farming anymore, he does both. In addition, with all junglers finishing their clears with more HP, invades become riskier to pull off as a healthier enemy jungler takes longer to kill and, therefore, is more likely to get collapsed on by his teammates.
Last, but not least, conqueror singlehandedly fixed Hecarim's early skirmish weakness. With all of his main weaknesses removed, he got into a state where he is either top tier or his numbers are so low he is not worth picking. For Hecarim to become mid tier he'd have to lose conqueror somehow and the jungle will have to shift in a way it is more early bullying friendly.
One big reason he also is so permabroken is how his E works. Every other champions damage can be dodged or mitigated in some way. See fizz q or qiyana e-q which can be flashed. But Hecarims damage has literally zero counterplay. It is just so damn inevitable. You cant flash or cc cancel or do anything to stop him E'ing onto you, and even if by some miracle you can through like an azir wall he still has that r button to guarantee it goes through anyways. He is the ultimate stat checker which you can't ever outplay.
I agree that it is a little difficult to play around and he is Stat checky. but once hec jumps using his E it doesn't auto track. Any well timed dash blink or flash actually negates it. As a hec player I actually have to keep an eye out for those abilities early game so I don't waste a majority of his dmg and cc. As for late game... yeah he's busted with ult.
Hecarim does way too much in such an easy way to do it and so massively easy to play that basically he's the perfect stat checker
Meh. ww can cancel all that with a well placed Q.
WW destroys Hec.
I love that both in game and lore he's a menace
Vars can i ask you a question?
Catchers and Wardens are pretty much the same but:
Catchers: create debuff areas that give their partners space to get in basically are *agressive*.
Wardens: create buff areas for your partners to be in what makes impossible for the enemies to get in that area they are *defensive*.
If that is the case ivern would not be an warden and a catchers his q is more of a catcher ability his w is a warden ability and his e and r are balanced between defensively and offensively.
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Hecarim is a jack of all trades jungler.
Ngl late game hecarim really feels like a juggernaut stat checker but early on it's a much different story. Idk how riot managed that but here it is.
I never have any problems vs heca but then you listed the counters and my champ pool was basically there
As a wildrift heca main ths is really helpfull because I can better understand my champion and why I can dominate some matches and completely lose others. The idea of "gotta go fast" to outpace the enemy jungler so that you can snowball better was kind of vague for me but you explained it really well. I also recently started playing League PC and this also helps.
Its kinda sad that hecarim is this way, i liked his playstyle a lot, fast horse goes wroom bonks and dies\kills but i dont like playing op or weak champions, just something near average power level. Atleast he is not conceptually broken like a good quarter of champ roster, there were so many situations where i was losing 1v1 to half hp bruisers that were behind me in items, especially with phase rush.
a small fix that came into mind was when u mentioned that everything he has is almost point and click. so here's my random solution: q does 110% (of how much ever the base damage right now is) damage in front of hecarim and 80% damage behind him
this won't change his ganks or his dives but would affect his consistent aoe damage and give an element of aiming to his 1 dimensional kit
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This video can be summarize as 'Hecarim the ideal jg'
Good video!!! Has a hecarim main i agree with what you said. He can do anything but only when he is strong.
from why no one plays to why no one plays against
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Rammus also has a similar amount of speed, and can go really fast with his q. Kassadin also can sort of kite him, because of his ult, and once his ult is stacked up, he can just riftwalk in, use his combo, flash/riftwalk out if hecarim doesn’t die.
I was a Paladins player and started playing League on the start of last year, in the Chemtank meta. I still remember the first time I died to a Hecarim. The game balance looked reasonable until then, but that thing bugged my mind. I asked my gold friend why there was a champion running around faster than everyone, dealing more damage than everyone and being tankier than everyone, and he answered "Welcome to League of Legends"
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I think the problem is Hecarim benefits from building tempo, he builds MS he get AD, while all other junglers need to sacrifice something if they want to build more MS that would give them better tempo, Hecarim is on a win-win situation over the rest of the jungler cast, I think you could balance him with a change of passive.
The funny thing is. This champion has the same dilemma as Yuumi
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@@godwinuwaeme3472 It's always being too op that every single player picks them, or too weak that no one bothers, these 2 has same kind of problem that they do their things too effectively compare to every other champs in the same class
@@Gamber63 Except Yuumi still had ~10% pickrate even at 46% winrate. People just love easy champions.
@@EddyConejo how many of those games were bots?
@@godwinuwaeme3472 I have to see a response but I think it's the "this champ satisfies everything you want out of their role" issue that Hecarim has. Compared to other enchanter supports, Yuumi can do almost everything anyone else does but with an important addition of safety. She can poke, heal, apply passive shields, be a troll to enemy laners, has a super-ultimate that can CC a number of opponents, all with the benefit of choosing whether she wants to be targetable or not. Hence, she's one of the few supports that almost never takes Flash because being able to get away from being focused in a fight isn't an issue for her most of the time.
And yeah, she's very easy to play.
Only the OG remember Hecarim top with homeguard rush and TP
Im reading the ruination novel so Im here to learn about this bastard
I don't think Hecarim could change from being so volatile unless he was reworked. Because he directly converts tempo into combat pressure, He's custom built to be the ultimate jungler and anytime that that tempo is a little bit too much combat pressure it feels really oppressive. So without fundamentally changing the way his kit works and the way that he works as a character he will remain the same way at just as volatile
Who would have thought that the hardest champion to balance would be a pony with AoE and speed burst
I just love your videos pls keep making them
I'd give him life of fun changes to up the Risk:
Warpath:
Portion of his MS is turned into AD, When reaching Additional 50%MS Cooldowns reduce Quicker.(basically the timer counts down faster)
he builds up speed while running, Gaining up to 20% MS, Stays for an additional 2 Sec.
Q:Damages infront Circle instead.
W:Healing is Reduced, Grants extra Damage Reduction upon Dealing 20% of Champion's Health.
E: is honestly Fine, good cc, Can mainly hit one person, Can hit more if aimed.
R:CC is increased up to Hecarim, Horsemen in the outer Slow and Cripple instead.
this is incomprehensible lmao
I wonder if between lilia and hecraim the reason one works better on solo is because of his bruiser playstyle since outside of that both of them have a tempo focused gameplay
imo the squishier you are the more you rely on your team, so since hecarim is tankier than lillia he doesn't have to coordinate as much to make plays and live.
Hecarim was and will always be my main. Strong or meganerfed, tank or lethality, I just enjoy having the highest movespeed in the game.
ramus?
@@sarunightamber701 Rammus doesn't come close to the maximum potential movespeed Hecarim has. Think ghost + blue jg item + cloud soul (as well as cloud soul ult) + boots + E. Even without cloud soul, you can easily reach 800-900 movement speed during a fight in mid/late game.
Heca also has higher average movespeed/tempo throughout the entire map over the course of a game, whereas Rammus' movespeed comes into play during ganks/fights when he activates his ability to chase after someone.
Rammus is fast, but Hecarim is the fastest in the game.
another great video, though the background song was a bit loud
1:43 Seeing that Bel'veth bring the Nautilus ultimate to her team hurt me internally.
I've seen the argument for releasing or updating champions over tuned because then you can nerf what they do that they're not supposed or nerf the weaknesses they're supposed to have into them leaving them just being strong at what they're supposed to be strong at where as if they start weak and you try to buff their strength into them it is much more likely to have unexpected consequences
Hey Vars I have a nice video idea for you. This is about how lifesteal or omnivamp be and this is pretty interesting one because items that give you omnivamp was designed for spell casters that needs sustain in their kit or ap bruisers but right now it is nearly only used by the ap bruisers and skirmisher. Skirmishers using it because they can use omnivamp for the fullest potential because of their 1 targetable abilities.Since they most of the time do not deal with omnivamps 33 percent penalty on AOE abilities they use it better than the spell casters that require sustain in their kit. Another thing is that the champs that has sustain in their kit cannot use omnivamp at their fullest potential while some other characters can which makes nonsustaining champs do a better job than a sustaining champion. For example riven has no sustain in her kit but with 1 gore drinker she can heal like how aatrox can because of her auto attacks are not affected by 33 percent penalty and she is basically having a stat that she is balanced for not having it. Should items give a healing boost rather than straight healing or this system is good right now. I really want to hear your thoughts about this. Love ur content
Man yhis is gunna break my heart. Hec was my main for a couple years when he was released.....his ups and downs has been...perplexing. mostly down ima but thats mostly becasue of the state of the game more than his kit.
Hec cries ganking nasus/zilean
Seeing hecarim kill taliyah was physically painful. My biggest problem with hecarim is his sheer speed, stacking seconds that add up over the course of a game while providing virtually no warning to when he shows up like the evelynn's and viegos of the world.
Hecarim was the reason I started to play jungle. He is such a solid design with a really easy and fun kit. Besides these buffs Heca received a few weeks back, I believe the last time I've seen him this strong was runes got reworked for the first time (season 5?). Thunderlord Hecarim was so OP at the time and then he was nerfed to the ground. Then, next time he became "relevant" was the following rework the runes and "predator" Heca was a thing. The problem was he was so weak, any other champion that ran predator was doing better, then predator was nerfed to the ground and he was kinda forgotten until recently.
Cool cool, so where's the Ryze and Azir rework?
I say this half jokingly but Riot really ought to be doing something about these two.
>>ruins all your matches
>>disappears next patch
>>doesn't elaborate
Being non existent/ pick or ban junglers is Hecarim I agree there. Plus he is stupidly easy to play so that helps. I think LeBlanc would take that crown for mid, but she is a bit harder to pull off than Hecarim is
10:54 darius mains national anthem
"If you want to beat Garen, play LeBlanc" 🤣😭
You have a soothing voice. I listen to you until I fall asleep. 😂 ( and I mean this in a good way btw).
Didn't we just get this video before
love the video , i completely agree that hecarim is volatile and basically unfun to play against. The funniest ting about this is that he does all of this without considering what hes going to be like next patch with that Jg pet that gives movement speed
Also: this isn’t relevant to this, but executes can be blocked. I’ve blocked a garen’s ultimate with pantheon’s e, and as Pyke, a kayle used her ultimate right before she was about to be executed by death from below.
Dynasty warriors 3 music though 👌
I read the titel as "the most violated champion" which is equally accurate
1: We Now A Campion Whos Power Scales Based On Move Speed
2: Glad Im Not On Balance Team.
FWIW Vars, I think if a champion is only played when overtuned, that makes it a Why No One Plays. You have covered champions in that series with playrate spikes during such periods already, Hecarim just gets those spikes more than most.
riot is always too heavy handed with his buffs and nerfs. when he OP he's jesus christ and when he's weak, only the one tricks can do well on him (like mr doaenal)
nerf this godamn horse please
with an incoming tank meta and all the new items, i doubt hecarim will be bad anytime soon
as of this patch 13.2 hecarim is 47% win rate, i would argue that the champ isnt as simple as he seems. Of he just r's in with assassin build he often doesnt actually oneshot the adc. with the assassin playstyle you need to be VERY clean with your Q's and movement, if you mess up E once you just die
True. Heca is a simple champ with a simple, easy to understand kit, but properly utilizing it to it's full potential is hard.
Heca was completely braindead during preseason, but it's very different nowadays. Even when very fed, you still have to be very clean with your movement & not get hit by CC. In addition, knowing when/how to use E and W. Baiting out/dodging abilities (with E), faking your E, comboing E with your ult to instantly switch target, etc. I can't say the same about other champions that become unkillable when fed regardless of skill.
Couple months ago you'd usually be running radiant virtue which let you play as a very tanky bruiser, able to tank 5 people if you're fed enough. Now I just run eclipse or duskblade & clean up enemy backline. Died a lot & played poorly when I made the switch to a more assassin orientee playstyle because my movement was bad (radiant virtue functioned as a crutch).
I'm pretty sure if u took off the 2 seconds of cc on his ult he would be fine there is no reason he should have 2 seconds of cc on a dash
Champ no one plays cuz everyone banned him
Like yuumi 2-3% pickrate 30-36% ban rate
Hecarim's pickrate is almost as volatile as my ranked teammates' mentals.
that tristana decision making tho
can you do a video on graves? very popular in high elo for so many years now, go to chinese smurf champ and etc
The first background music is awesome ! Does anyone knows the title ?
It's a music from Dynasty Warriors (Vars uses a lot) but I can't remember which exact track it is right now
Hecarim is the perfect jungler because he does everything everywhere at the same time
See the problem is that most bruiser type champs lack in mobility, hecarims thing IS mobility, while also having decent cc healing and damage he’s a jack of all trades with no real weakness, so if he’s not weak then he’s strong af
I think u mean "Juggernaut" when u said "bruiser". Because the last time I check, Irelia and Camille are also "bruiser", and they're, by any mean, immobile.
He’s a diver. It’s in their archetype to have strong/reliable engage, decent cc and some form of either sustain or mitigation that allowed them to fight their way out after getting on the primary target. This makes them almost by definition jack of all trades. The only thing most of them lack is teammate utility. You can do almost anything on them. Either a wukong situation where you are a bruiser 99% of the time. Rengar can decide between one shotting anyone and outhealing a mundo. And j4 who either sits there for hours in a fight or dies instantly.
Can we get a why noone plays Gnar?
Yeah I'd rather get trampled by Heca than being blown up in mere moments out of nowhere by a bug that does the jumpy jumpy. Or some guy with the world's weirdest set of goggles...at least you can always SEE the guy and attempt to return fire. Yis are always trying to get as much Alpha strike cheese in as possible and the bug...well yeah...
Honestly they need to nerf his early clear, his kit is fine it's just his clear early is so fast it doesn't make sense...
You often make the point that Jg technically doesn’t have to interact with the other jungles, but I find this to be false. A good jungler won’t just farm their own camps when they’re ahead, thus being in the other jg’s “lane”. Not every jg will let you farm your camps til 6 and farm, and invades are more and more common lately I find
I miss homeguard tp hecarim
I've never understood why Hecarim gains damage while building movement speed but doesn't lose it when slowed. From an adc main standpoint I'll always permaban Hecarim when he's strong and/or my team doesn't want to first pick him, because if I don't I simply don't get to play the game, just because the fucking horse will perma dive me in every fight while my team of randoms does nothing about it.
Dw music?
Bro I swear whenever I play Kindred there is always one game in that session where a Hecarim will come and ruin the game for me.
just kite him out
I very much enjoy hecarim. I’ll play him when he’s turbo op and I just play kayn when people pick him. Very much prefer hec to be pick ban then shit like yi and Diana
Hey riot! Junglers no character can escape are bad for the game! Who would’ve guessed?
Hecarim tanks a lot of damage, deals a lot of damage, a lot of mobility, good engage and CC, fast clear, he isn't bad at anything
So what you're saying is that nothing else than a good vayne counters hecarim. I will experiment on this....
I feel that Hecarim has too much going on kinda like Warwick does. They are such effective junglers that they will never be really bad at doing their job. Attack speed, healing, movement speed, cc, fear etc... they have the TP (total package). When nerfed however, i almost never see Heca and i wish it would stay that way because i feel that even when nerfed, he's still a very viable jungler.
Some years ago he could one shot carrys, now he can’t.
I had 60% win rate in almost 400 games at season 8 with Hecarim.
One of the biggest low elo nightmares out there
I think Hecarim's problem is his speed and durability. No other bruiser is that fast, imagine for a moment if Darius or Illaoi were as fast as Hecarim. No one who is fast, is that durable for free. Perhaps if they balance Hecarim as some sort of.....squishier skirmisher of some sort, trade durability for speed. Or make him less fast to keep his bruiser/fightery role but...I doubt anyone would like that since he's iconic for speed and being a horse, iconic fast animals.
DW BGM?
by your tempo=teir logic you used here, wouldn't that make Tryndamere jgl op? he does hella damage, has a slow to catch, and a bunch of mobility!
Next season he won't be as strong because he won't be able to go as fast. He'll have to wait for his pokemon to catch up
weird darius always lose top lane the main hard thing about hecarim is if u play him full ad like me he become true assasin but very squichy. there where skills of player matter the most
i need to one shot all carry enemy player without getting any cc
İ think only solutiin is that we make him a roamer mid laner
You keep using the soundtracks to all my guilty pleasure games in your videos. Get out of my head!!
Cant wait to see him in wild rift. He will get banned every game.
Dude this hextech store is literal fraud. Why are you advertising it??
I prefer hecarim being broken over belveth existing
Yea he can just do anything tbh. I was playing with my friend and i forgot to change my spell to smite and holy shit i still managed to get 8 kills with just 4 death and countless assist. All you need to do when playing hecarim is just gank and gank and gank
seems like the enemy team was just bad then
watching some games of hecarim on the world championship we can see that I he does not get ahead and he cant farm then the game is just lost
So he's basically 200 years but because he's a jungler it doesn't matter?
Remember the funny time when he was gutted? He went from *really* broken to one of the worst champions in the meta at the time.
hecarim's kit is kinda wierd though, one partwants to burst with speed (passive, e and r) yet the other wants to take it slow and sustain (q and w). that is i think the main issue they have a harder time balancing him
One of the few champs who is stronger without flash.