Pvp is the real lifeblood of these games. Beating the game is only done to get to the pvp. Long after pve players move on to other games pvp players will remain
Bayle's tyranny can be quite good in invasions, especially when the host or phantoms are especially cavalier (at least 50% of the time) it has really bad recovery though, as you've said. Also, it easily 1 shots.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Dragonmaw feels like it can miss players rather easily due to how it moves forwards and I've been 1 shotting multiple players inside the aoe anyways.
Man, barely any spells get poise. I really miss Unfaltering Prayer these days. Yes, Endure exists, but it is also incredibly obvious whenever you whip it out.
Shatter earth is good to punish someone who rolls into you, as people like to do when you're a mage. The downward slam is fast enough to catch people and then it will true combo into the the shockwave part, and then you can continue into some other mixup because it has the fastest magic cancel in the game (only 4 frames). That magic cancel also makes it good bait. And the fp cost is super low (10) so you can throw it out all the time. Damage kinda meh, it's just a combo starter. Briars of sin is best for int/fai builds who have both staff and seal, and when you cover its startup animation with another spell with good hitstun and good magic cancel (shatter earth, gavel, dragonclaw, black blade, carian/adula greatsword). The idea is you cast one of those, they roll into to punish, trade into your briars hyperarmor, then they try to roll out but always get caught again by the 2nd brairs cast which has a big long-lingering hitbox. Then your magic cancel is good after the 2nd brairs cast (or 1st cast if they never rolled into you) so you can easily follow up with your ranged game. It takes some health but its fp cost is very low (6) and it's safe to throw out bc they can't outspace that lingering hitbox. It does pure magic damage so you can buff it to high heavens with the rest of your spells, and if you want to build around it even more you can either boost it with staff(s) of the guilty for more pure damage, or albinuric staff to scale the bleed with arcane. Some parts of Alberich's set also boost the dmg and the drip ain't bad. Frozen lighting spear has a melee hitbox on the downward slam (but still super slow), and if you cast it over a cliff the lightning will go all the way down. That's about it; it's my favorite spell and I spent hours in the lab trying to make it work for pvp but idk how. Good damage for pve though, especially big bosses who get hit by multiple strikes. But the faith req is too high for most my builds. I wonder if Miriam's Vanishing can help make some of these slow hyper armor spells easier to use. (I haven't gotten it yet, taking my sweet time with the DLC.) I hope so, I love spamming big explosive melee spells like these bc they are most stylish--projectiles are for nerds.
@@sylvanaspilot Originally i wrote it off as generic because it has the exact same name as the ash of war version, but spinning weapon on the carian regal scepter gets +22 poise added to your armor poise, and will reduce incoming poise damage by 50% It’s weird because the ash of war version doesn’t get any poise at all, even if you use it on a weapon with innate poise bonuses like halberds.
I'm not defending frozen lighting, but to clarify, it's actually the same as lighting spear where the stab itself has a hit box, slightly weaker than the ground aoe hit. but 67 poise isn't giving you a break here, and of course the worst part, the extremely narrow hitbox of the ground aoe hits are physically depressing when you can just watch someone casually walk towards you through the ground lightning and not get hit 😫 in theory it has the versatility to be a pointblank spell that combos into itself and have the utility to out range someone spamming a stationary ash of war. but just not good at either. and we're at version 1.12 so I'm not holding my breath
Very useful. I can floor damn near anything with Gavel, and I don't necessarily need to build poise on my dragon caster lady since her spells will probably have a fair amount. However this has also shown I actually should not try a slower spells on my UGS/Colossal caster unless I lack a Thrust and want to try a Horns mixup. Yet tbh I may be better off with a Stone Sling into r1/r2 to mess with some folks. Sad that Burn, O Flame lacks poise. This draconic favoritism saddens my heart, but it's just one more thing to try working around.
5:50 Speaking about this spell, do you have any idea how to get this to a consistently true combo? Is there a set amount o poise required or free aim as i can figure this thing out.
@@StrugglerVA 😍1v1ing is really annoying sometimes using gugs. it can take ages to punish mistakes when you're fighting someone who doesn't panic roll. how do you do the inputs that you use to feint pokes for roll catching?
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Watching elden ring pvp videos when ive never pvp'ed ever
@@callanlandis4300 a good portion of pvp knowledge is directly applicable to pve as well.
It’s in incredibly fun when you get the gist of it and be patient. I do best when I don’t play recklessly or care about dying.
@@StrugglerVA might just take my honkey ass stone sheathed sword deflect build into some invasions and die then
Try it while you can. It's messy but incredibly fun.
Pvp is the real lifeblood of these games. Beating the game is only done to get to the pvp.
Long after pve players move on to other games pvp players will remain
Oh yeah, we needed this! Thanks again my man 👍
I yearn for the gavel buff. One day, one day.
Bayle's tyranny can be quite good in invasions, especially when the host or phantoms are especially cavalier (at least 50% of the time) it has really bad recovery though, as you've said.
Also, it easily 1 shots.
@@Smuggers. Might as well use dragonmaw since it isn't glitched so you can 1-shot all 3 instead of just one.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Dragonmaw feels like it can miss players rather easily due to how it moves forwards and I've been 1 shotting multiple players inside the aoe anyways.
Crucible bloom gets 0 hyperarmor? Wow it's even worse than I thought.
@@anitaremenarova6662 i know, it is most regrettable
Most disappointing spell to me, was hoping it would be a non-fire firestorm replacement
Always gotta check in every now and then to make sure you’re still alive lmao. Keep up the good work man 👌🏾🔥💯
That description 💀
The data is nice too, thanks.
Strugglerman reassess poise enjoyer's menu
It's a shame Carian GS doesn't have even slight hyper armour. At least we have Gavel.
great video man, this will help a lot
Man, barely any spells get poise. I really miss Unfaltering Prayer these days.
Yes, Endure exists, but it is also incredibly obvious whenever you whip it out.
Shatter earth is good to punish someone who rolls into you, as people like to do when you're a mage. The downward slam is fast enough to catch people and then it will true combo into the the shockwave part, and then you can continue into some other mixup because it has the fastest magic cancel in the game (only 4 frames). That magic cancel also makes it good bait. And the fp cost is super low (10) so you can throw it out all the time. Damage kinda meh, it's just a combo starter.
Briars of sin is best for int/fai builds who have both staff and seal, and when you cover its startup animation with another spell with good hitstun and good magic cancel (shatter earth, gavel, dragonclaw, black blade, carian/adula greatsword). The idea is you cast one of those, they roll into to punish, trade into your briars hyperarmor, then they try to roll out but always get caught again by the 2nd brairs cast which has a big long-lingering hitbox. Then your magic cancel is good after the 2nd brairs cast (or 1st cast if they never rolled into you) so you can easily follow up with your ranged game. It takes some health but its fp cost is very low (6) and it's safe to throw out bc they can't outspace that lingering hitbox. It does pure magic damage so you can buff it to high heavens with the rest of your spells, and if you want to build around it even more you can either boost it with staff(s) of the guilty for more pure damage, or albinuric staff to scale the bleed with arcane. Some parts of Alberich's set also boost the dmg and the drip ain't bad.
Frozen lighting spear has a melee hitbox on the downward slam (but still super slow), and if you cast it over a cliff the lightning will go all the way down. That's about it; it's my favorite spell and I spent hours in the lab trying to make it work for pvp but idk how. Good damage for pve though, especially big bosses who get hit by multiple strikes. But the faith req is too high for most my builds.
I wonder if Miriam's Vanishing can help make some of these slow hyper armor spells easier to use. (I haven't gotten it yet, taking my sweet time with the DLC.) I hope so, I love spamming big explosive melee spells like these bc they are most stylish--projectiles are for nerds.
great but what about rennelas staff ash of war :)?
^this pls
Same as Gavel of Haima, you’re welcome.
@@manny27392 is it acutally? like u tested her spinning staff ash of war? if so that's good to know
@@sylvanaspilot Originally i wrote it off as generic because it has the exact same name as the ash of war version, but spinning weapon on the carian regal scepter gets +22 poise added to your armor poise, and will reduce incoming poise damage by 50%
It’s weird because the ash of war version doesn’t get any poise at all, even if you use it on a weapon with innate poise bonuses like halberds.
@@manny27392 gavel gets more and ignores your armor poise
I'm not defending frozen lighting, but to clarify, it's actually the same as lighting spear where the stab itself has a hit box, slightly weaker than the ground aoe hit. but 67 poise isn't giving you a break here, and of course the worst part, the extremely narrow hitbox of the ground aoe hits are physically depressing when you can just watch someone casually walk towards you through the ground lightning and not get hit 😫
in theory it has the versatility to be a pointblank spell that combos into itself and have the utility to out range someone spamming a stationary ash of war. but just not good at either. and we're at version 1.12 so I'm not holding my breath
Very useful.
I can floor damn near anything with Gavel, and I don't necessarily need to build poise on my dragon caster lady since her spells will probably have a fair amount.
However this has also shown I actually should not try a slower spells on my UGS/Colossal caster unless I lack a Thrust and want to try a Horns mixup. Yet tbh I may be better off with a Stone Sling into r1/r2 to mess with some folks.
Sad that Burn, O Flame lacks poise. This draconic favoritism saddens my heart, but it's just one more thing to try working around.
Aight you got my sub. You deserve it
Was honestly going to search for something like this today. I wanna make a caster hybrid and not stack poise
Brooo I’ve been wanting this video for so long!!! I’m gonna subscribe just for this vid
5:50 Speaking about this spell, do you have any idea how to get this to a consistently true combo? Is there a set amount o poise required or free aim as i can figure this thing out.
loving your rankings
I’d love to see a spell/incant tier list from you!
i love you for doing this
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This helps alot i dont know if the crucible thorns incantation supposed to have such low damage but i got sad when i tried it out
4:27 what performance spikes are you talking about, what are the symptoms?
I love your new profile picture
@@peacewalker4058 nice of you to notice, its beautiful
Fire emblem OST 😍
aspect of the crucible thorns is shit unless you're fighting enemies you can stand underneath, against dragons it fucks severely
anyone know where i can find FRAME data for spell hyper armor? I need to know when the armor activates on fortisaxx lightning spear
Do you have any recent duel clips? I've been craving a new strugglerva gugs compilation for a while now
@@BM-pt6sy say no more! I will begin working on it
@@StrugglerVA 😍1v1ing is really annoying sometimes using gugs. it can take ages to punish mistakes when you're fighting someone who doesn't panic roll. how do you do the inputs that you use to feint pokes for roll catching?
what program are you using to see hyperarmor of dragonmaw?
dragonmaw is great in pvp, just 1 shot a host with it
awesome
YES
Can you do one for Spells?
Oh, you play on DEN too?