That is a common misconception, and it's easy to make. You're confusing Forked Lightning, which all Ancient Dragons use, with Branching Lightning that Senessax uses. Branching Lightning is associated with the Ancient Dragons who betrayed Placidusax and sided with Bayle, and the primary difference is that the lightning can "jump" from one target to another. Use a Red Lightning Pot against two enemies who are standing next to each other, and compare it to any other lightning based attack, you will notice that branching lightning will chain to other enemies while other lightning will just explode. The wording is confusing but branching is referring to the gameplay mechanic of the lightning, not the actual visual of the spears that the Dragons are using.
@KingSleaze916 wouldn't it be amazing if they released a trailer for their next game, and it was "Chronicles of Godefroy." It could be so beautifully stupid. All the lore it feeds you would fit somewhere between meh, and this an art crime.
@@johneverimanne3986 Lmao there’s been way dumber game ideas in the past. Your idea would be hilarious if that was made dude I’d definitely watch a lore dive on it lol
Super underrated lore content here that deserves wayyyy more views from the community. You seem to grasp the way Elden ring’s story is told on a deeper level than some of the big lore creators. I just want to thank you for sharing your discoveries and providing amazing content!
10:10 I have no reason to think this, but Godwyn looking like a fish has always reminded me of the old tale that inspired magikarp/gyarados, where a carp climbs a waterfall and turns into a dragon
There is a video exploring his bodies in the catacombs in the land of shadow and they show an arm similar to that of the basilisk. Godwyn is turning into a giant Death Basilik.
I literally said "what the fuuuuuck" multiple times while watching this. I'm familiar with all of these puzzle pieces but have never seen them arranged and explained like this. This is incredibly good work.
2:08 if bayle is a mimic of the dragon lord and his offspring are the fire breathing dragons, then Godrick's trying to mimic Godfrey Its mimics all the way to the start.
wait, wait. that could also mean that Miquella may have wanted Godwyn but cannot. those who live in death immunity to miquella's charm seem to suggest that Godwyn was miquella resistant. rather, he was already claimed by the dragons??
@@jonathan0225it’s because he has no soul, there’s nothing to charm. Miquella wanted Godwin as his consort but there was nothing to do to save him. The Golden Epitaph states a prayer miquella did for him “please die a true death” hoping he could meet him in the Shadowlands if Godwyn could truly die
Considering the other two Godfrey/Marika children are clearly cursed, now twice-confirmed thanks to Hornsent Grandam, Godwyn being suspiciously perfect is pretty telling. He wouldn't be the only bastard in the royal family...
It likely means Godwyn was born before Messmer's crusade. But it also means Morgott and Mohg are younger than Radahn, for them to born cursed. Given the lack of mention of Radahn's siblings around the crusade era I think this is meant to imply Radahn is the oldest of Rennala's kids. I think Ranni might be the youngest since there are zero things mentioning her and Radagon. He even gets Rykard a job in the family business but the Golden Order largely leaves Ranni behind. Considering how it broke Rennala she might have been at a very vunerable point when Radagon left, like say pregnant with his daughter. The idea that Ranni was born shortly before the twins were conceived/born would also put us in close-ish time frame for whatever cosmic or biological event that would need to be going on for Marika to produce Emypereans. Basically, whatever that window was she squeezed 3 out. Sorry about that, this stuff started occurring to me as I was typing out the first sentence and I just ran with it. Your thoughts?
Most likely Godwyn was Marika's child when she was still the Gloam Eyed Queen before she became the Queen of Eternal Life. Or perhaps the child of the Grandma.
@@johnvoices4087 I feel like that's just overcomplicating and rewriting something the game plainly presents us. Jack got that part wrong, the same Finger Reader he sites even calls Godwyn the scion of the Golden Bough, translation a member of the Golden Lineage. His warriors (Death Knights) wield golden axes, the Golden Axe is just as much a signifier of the Golden Lineage as the Lion. No, I'm not saying every Axe is a sign of the Golden Lineage, but the golden axe in context of everything else about him paints Godwyn's picture. As it stands there is no actual evidence that I'm aware of that defies the logic of Godwyn the Golden, scion of the Golden Bough, also known as the lineage of Godfrey is the child of Marika and Godfrey. We have no reason to doubt this truth. Jack says "He made friends with the Dragons" but here's the thing, Godfrey's Erdtree Order had a habit of incorporating their foes into the fold. Radagon's era is when the Gold Order ferments and begins to cast people out. So Godwyn befriending the dragons is also very much inline with the behavior of the Erdtree Order. I'm actually really curious about your explanation/evidence for your theory, as I've seen people trying to re-parent Godwyn and still am not sure why. I could be wrong and if I am I just wanna be convinced.
@@Writh811 Morgott has shade of Godfrey without Serosh(Before Morgott boss fight). And Radahn JP armor states that when Radahn captivated by Godfrey+Serosh he was child. So Morgott is older.
Godefroy wouldn't be so stupid if it wasn't literally the exact same character model as Godrick. You're telling me these two near-identical guys independently grafted the exact same amount of arms to themselves in the exact same places?
@@JackisaMimic it really sets your content apart from other people’s analysis. It’s like a key ingredient they tend to miss out on that you nail. Quite thankful 🙏🏽
Pretty sure it’s impossible to solve lore, I believe one of Miyazaki’s fascinations are filling in the blanks with imagination and only understanding half of it (comes from how he used to read English books which is a second language that at the time he evidently didn’t understand half of) The gaps in solid lore also allow them to focus more on gameplay which is their priority so all things considered the lore isn’t perfect and can’t really be completely solved… but that’s the appeal to it
Yeah but there is a difference between solving a puzzle with a few missing pieces and playing madlibs, and I think elden ring is dangerously treading towards the latter. Creating something vague to spark imagination is a great illusion but its just that, an illusion, an illusion of depth. And running that formula into the ground is a recipe for disaster, Just look at TellTale games, their entire formula hinged on the "Illusion of Choice" in their games narrative, and for a while it worked to great effect, even garnering Game of The Year, but they got sloppy, and the illusion was broken, players get detached when they saw through the veil and realized none of their choices mattered. The same fate can easily become Fromsoftwares, as lore speculation becomes meaningless when there is no real puzzle to solve. Players will detach and cease being invested once the imagimation well runs dry. EDIT: Actually the Telltale comparison might me more apt than I initially thought, now that souls has hit mainstream success Fromsoftware is expanding, working on more projects now than ever with individual teams, and miyazaki will not be directing all of them...this could result in a damage to their quality control which was already shakey on a "Technical" level, and we saw how detrimental mismanaged projects can lead to divisive titles that fall short of the quality standard, no studio is immune to this effect, just look at Dark Souls 2. Mark my words, enjoy the good times while they last because a fall is coming And when that day comes I wont be asking "How did this happen??" I'll just be _laughing at an Industry that never learns anything._
@sasaki999pro Elden Ring is an incredible “solvable” and complete story. Thanks to the lore being written by GRRM we know for a fact that there is a complete story under the hood, and understanding both authors makes it easy to fit all of the pieces in place. Well, it’s not easy, but it’s still possible.
@@JackisaMimic Like I said, enjoy the good times while they last, but dont be surprised when Fromsofts reach inevitably exceeds their grasp. It ALWAYS happens after a big breakthrough success like the one Elden Ring had. Happens with Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Sega, Platinum Games, Capcom, Blizzard, Square Enix, Bethesda, EA, the list goes on and on and on. I'm not calling myself a prophet, I'm just a guy who recognizes patterns.
I've been obsessed with the whole godwyn issue. The big detail that everyone seem to miss is that Godwyn, and godrick after him. Are the only demigods that don't follow the naming convention. All other demigods have the first letter of their name taken from their mother, seen in mohg morggot miquela and melenia. Knowing GRRM this is the kind of crucial detail in plain view that he likes. If Godwyns mother is not Marika, he is in fact graffted into the golden lineage. The only empyrean that starts with a G is the Gloam eyed queen.
Good catch man, here i was thinking it was because he was the first born and most likely to inherit the tittle of Elden Lord from his father(the whole first son inherits thing). Was Godwyn actually a bastard? Is this why Marika allowed the black knife assassins to kill him or could it be that Godfrey was first married to the Gloam Eyed queen and after defeating her Marika earned the right to marry him and thus he became her stepson.
This is a great, interconnected narrative breakdown - a format which most don't even try to pursue! It is a little less friendly to newcomers and people who haven't played the games, but that only makes it a little more zesty to those who have - we appreciate it even more. Really good content, keep at it!
Your understanding of how Fromsoft presents a story is refreshing, and you presented it all so well! This is probably one of, if not, the best lore breakdown on RUclips right now.
@@AM_61102 Vaati? Deep? Vaati is pure surface level storytelling banking on the emotional factor for its impact. It's not bad, but it's definitely not deep.
22:03 “This method for learning the story is present before you even start playing the game” *cuts to Berserk* Ah yes, the required reading before playing any Souls game 🤔
BRILLIANT ❤ that went so quick it ATE thay 30mins. It is such a fun detail that the butterflies ensure your death if youre goated enough (must be an OG thing, i guess mimics cant relate 😘) to kill the golden scion.
The lore and story that is found in the Shadow of the Erdtree DLC was all part of the original mythos that George RR Martin wrote for FromSoftware. The information we learned in the DLC was always part of the grand narrative. As per Miyazaki during his interview with Eurogamer in Feb. 2024 - As for George Martin's involvement, essentially it is the same as it was with the base game," said Miyazaki. "The DLC Shadow of the Erdtree is based on one part of that original mythos that he penned for us. It's not a brand new mythos that he's written specifically for Shadow of the Erdtree, he has not created something new which informed the design of the DLC. It's simply another part of the original story that we thought fit to tell as a new expansion." What is your source that there was not going to be any DLC planned originally, because that doesn't seem like it's founded in anything true?
Pleasure to see you here Zayf! I don't have a video on this topic specifically(my video on Godwyn's Sun Realm Resurrection from before the DLC goes into more of the Ancient Dragon Conspiracy through) but I have a community post with most of the evidence detailed for Fiassax: ruclips.net/channel/UCeedKEMrixcRXy9lj0k9F5Qcommunity?lb=UgkxmU8EfJtdXCgoaanaEsO2Fg95hbXeocEF If you want, you can use my evidence and research for your own video on the subject matter. Doing a video just on Fiassax doesn't fit in my overall plans right now for my channel, but I am happy for these types of ideas to spread throughout the community. Fia being Fortissax adds a lot of depth to Godwyn as a character because we see that there may be a Romeo/Juliet situation between two star crossed lovers who could never be together. As posited by Otacon in Metal Gear Solid, "Do you think love can bloom on a battlefield?" You make really great videos so I could see you making something great with this theory and evidence, all I would ask for is recognition and a name drop. Until then, I gotta get back to work on my own Gloam Eye'd Queen video. Yours was excellent, I look forward to see if you come across it and what your thoughts are.
@@JackisaMimic Very cool man, and generous for you to offer to share your findings! I have some things currently in the pipeline but it's definitely something I will keep in mind and I will 100% credit you/name drop you if I end up doing something with it. In fact, if you would be open to it, some kind of cross collaboration about that or something else at some point in the future could be neat 🙂 I genuinely appreciate the kind words from someone I respect and the MGS reference is just icing on top. Looking forward to hearing what you have to say on the GEQ!
Hey man, this is one of the best Elden ring videos I’ve see, really good writing and I don’t know a lot of that stuff even tho I am into the lore like, really cool video keep up the work
Cool video, I really agree with the approach that when and where we learn thing is very important. Thing are often bookended or reference an earlier similarity with a twist. One of these is an important detail that is the very last thing in DLC and is also at the end of the base game. When we access Miquella memory it plays the same blinding light and sound as when we enter the Erdtree. The Erdtree is a conduit for memories and creates round table, where the largest grace is, where we begin new game plus. It could be the case that the fight inside the Erdtree is just a memory and Gideon is correct that we are cursed to struggle forever. If the game is a cycle (maybe created by the Elden Ring being smashed, it starts to explain things like invasions from other worlds and so on, there is a tone to unpack if you buy into the idea.
"Ruin fragment inscribed with letters. Reveals additional messages from other worlds. Words are gregarious things, drawn to one another much as people are." - Script Stone Sometimes, just leaving a message is all that is necessary for helping someone in need. You never know who might read it.
I'm glad to see someone else mention that Marika might have been in on the night of the black knives, but not in on Ranni's plans. The more people dig into Godwyn, it seems like he was meant to die and likely was meant to have been revived. There are some lines that seem to refer this as a way to rebirth the age of plenty. I get the impression that Ranni used this moment to kill her body, throwing Marika's plans to the wind. I think this explains why Iji has been killed by black knife assassins near the end of Ranni's quest line. Meanwhile, Marika, with her favored child in a state of undeath, and her age of plenty destined to fade, shatters the ring in grief and desperation. I'm hesitant about your theory on Bayle and the Nox, but I think you've mostly got the right of the main storyline with this one.
I have changed my perspective on the eclipse plan and I personally have viewed it as a last contingency plan for ranni. in case Miquella himself failed to create the age of compassion. She follows the moon and the moon must cover and overtake the Sun(erdtree) causing an eclipse and only then will this eclipse plan actually work. It would allow Godwyn to resurrect along with those demigods in the masoleums and bring down Ranni. (Elden ring 2)
@@ramoraid I'm uncertain about that. But this game makes it easy to be uncertain about most things. It strikes me as something calculated on the part of Ranni, and not like a desperate act on her part. It strikes me more as a desperate act on the part of Marika who Ranni exploited, but I dunno. I don't quite get why the night of the black knives is an act meant to bring down Ranni. Most of the breakdowns I've seen point to it as an act for Marika to keep her age of plenty going (shades of Gwyn).
@@DaneMurdock the night of knives was a conspiracy by ranni and a numen faction aligned with the nox. This was a way to strike back at Marika. There were 3 empyrians ranni, miquella and Malenia. Malenia was never going to succeed Marika, there is a reason she calls herself blade of miquella. Miquella abandoned the golden order, the 2 fingers aswell and he started his own city state in his haligtree. So who is left in the end to succeed Marika? Ranni, is now the de facto successor to Marika. Now Ranni is going be replacing Marika at some point who is likely to be her Elden lord? Remember the 2 fingers are the ones making all this decision and pulling the strings from behind. The answer is very obvious, Godwyn. Ranni's plan to kill Godwyn has 2 purposes free herself from the 2 fingers and strike back at Marika. One piece of lore barely anyone talks about is that miquella and Ranni actually had communications with each other and came to an agreement of sorts. Malenia would be allowed to pass through liurnia on her way to defeat radhan, something we know Ranni eventually task the player to do. Miquella indeed was mad about his brother's passing and when you begin to see the eclipse plan as a contingency plan, if ranni ever got her age of the stars, the pieces all fall in together. The Eclipse plan would only ever work one the moon(Ranni) swallow/covers the sun(erdtree). Miquella is a mastermind he planned a nasty surprise for Ranni if he ever lost, the eclipse plan. Elden ring is not a fromsoft story it's a GRRM story, fromsoft added to it but the bulk is straight up a GRRM story.
@@DaneMurdock Marika was a puppet by the time Radagon became Elden lord. The 2 fingers were the ones pulling the strings. Radagon is not Marika, he is just a loyal hound of the golden order (2 fingers) and he became her warden, the chains and strings that controlled her. This part is not detailed in the item descriptions but it's all there laid out in Radagons own magic and his Rune. It is literally behind what everyone sees as the elden ring that # pattern is radagon Rune.
This video is amazing! Great analysis! I agree with most of…if not all of it. The Fia is fortissax is a great catch!! I didn’t catch that one but totally makes sense. It even mentions the companion thing part of the lore. Aside from all the stuff in this video…I could def see godwyn being part dragon. I also believe that marika is the GEQ. And not like a “marika and GEQ were stuffed in a jar together so they are 2 people in 1”…I believe she is actually that queen and she hid that part of her in the “shadow” of her past. Saint from a jar -> saint marika…gloam eyed queen -> queen marika. If I were stuffed in a jar and tortured I’d probably build some god slaying weapons too and seek revenge! Lol As for the mimics thing…i find it interesting that the voice who narrates the start of the game is also attributed to being a voice of an ancient albinauric…telling the tarnish to “rise”….probably looking into that more that I should but…maybe it has some meaning! Anyways… love this content! Definitely gets my mind churning!
Halfway through the video, I got so impressed that I just had to click Subscribe. I knew the lore in bits and pieces, but the way you connected it all together really helped me put into perspective all these disconnected dots.
after seeing you in the comment section of a lot of other theories and lore discussions I knew this video was going to be interesting at least but still im impressed. Even 3 years later the first boss you encounter holds so many hidden lore implications. Really a Masterpiece.
The story beats of SOTE want us to think about madness in a more profound way. These are the important bits; Headless Midra, Headless Marika's statues, Count Ymir dialogues about the nature of the world, And the Scadu Tree Avatar holding Miquella's rune (before the fight, the water looks odly familiar from what we see in the Abyssal Woods.) Even Bayle's lightning resembles those aspects, so We should considering what we saw in the Marika's trailer again. The roots are mired in madness, indeed. Great vid as usual
Jack, I've got a question for you regarding Fia. You mentioned that we can deduce that she is Fortisax, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. At the start of the game the narrator says "arise ye tarnished, the dead that who yet live, the call of grace speaks to us all" before listing off 5 important tarnished figures, one of which being Fia. So wouldn't that mean Fia is a tarnished? Is it possible for her to be both a tarnished AND a dragon? And if she was here before the tarnished were divested of grace and has now returned when it was restored, would that gap cause any rifts in your line of thinking? If Fortisax has been inside of Godwyn's dream this whole time battling the death blight, would that have any implications on Fia's role or very existence in this interpretation of the story? As always, excellent work, really love seeing you continue to make creative changes in the delivery of your interpretations and can tell you're having a lot of fun with your storytelling. Peace and Love!
Pay attention to the slides at the start of the game. Every Tarnished that received Grace before being revived is dead, except for Fia. She is upright, lying next to a corpse, and alive before she receives Grace, unlike the others we see. There are other pieces of evidence for Fia = Fortissax that I didn't include in the video, so here they are in case you are curious. Both Fia and Fortissax have a black exterior and a gold "interior" (Black Scales/Black Shawl, Gold Scales/Gold Shawl) Fia's name is hidden in FortIssAx After Fia kills D, she levitates and disappears, teleporting to Godwyn. When we fight Lansseax for the first time near the coffins and the Abandoned Coffin site of Grace, she also teleports away. Adula is another dragon who has the ability to teleport (however, this could be due to sorcery like Miriam’s Vanishing), as well as Placidusax during his storm attack phases. So dragons have the ability to teleport, and to my knowledge, Fia is the only humanoid NPC who can as well. Fia resides in the room with the Magic Mirror that allows players to change their appearance. That room also has two paintings of Marika, who is famous for being able to change her identity or figure as Radagon. Giving us more hints and clues that Fia is able to change her form in some way. Lastly, we have the Ancient Dragon Priestesses who would commune with knights of the Ancient Dragon Cult. If Godwyn befriended Fortissax, she would logically also have transformed to commune with him as well. Hope all of that satisfies!
@@JackisaMimicexcellent breakdown preceptor! Fia can also teleport our player character directly into Leyndell if we complete her questline before going there, which likely strengthens your points here... Thanks for taking the time to respond, I'm gonna go find the scattered pieces of my brain and try to cram them back into my skull now 😂
@@JackisaMimicThis shoulda been in the video this was AWESOME information. You could maybe edit it in and note it in your video because this is a very great breakdown of Fia = Forti!
@nomattr technically, we're a human mimicking a scarlet rot doggo, mimicking a lion whose mimicking a weasel that's mimicking a goat that, either is a dragon, or is just dressed like one. Try and keep up folks 🙃
Wonderful video filled with some great connections I couldn’t stop seeing the pattern of “going forward to go backwards”. When you progress in the game you end up uncovering more about what came before
"The first demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage" Godrick, "lord of all that is golden" Godwyn the golden. The greatrune doesn't mention parentage because GODRICK'S parents are not important, but the golden lineage and it's legacy is. Saying Godwyn is not of the Golden lineage would require insane amounts of mental gymnastics. He doesn't need to be a dragon's child to take their side, just like the Nameless King.
No where does it mention in game the Godrick is actually part of the Golden Lineage, his Great Rune just lists what the criteria is, not that he is actually a part of it. Some characters mention it, but characters can be wrong or lie. This is one of the techniques Elden Ring uses to hide information. The item description isn't wrong, it just isn't telling you everything. Sometimes what isn't said is just as important as what is said.
That line is from Enia when talking about Marika’s offspring. Godwyn and Godrick are part of Marika’s lineage, the issue is finding evidence for them being part of Godfrey’s lineage.
You cant believe how quickly this video came into my feed after completing Fia’s quest again after the dlc and realising there had to be a connection between the two blessings received from Fia and the Priestess. I think you are absolutely cooking my man
I unironically love the amateur archeology/genealogy phase the fandom is going through and I'm so glad you're contributing. I never thought of comparing Godwyn to a dragon despite his obvious relationship with them - I saw his transformation into a fish as a nod to the kind of constellation that connects death, sleep, and the ocean in ER. But if a dragon is a winged serpent, maybe a fish is a serpent slithering through the sea 🤔
Love the connections between Godfrey & The Hornsent culture :) definitely feels like there's more to that! Especially fond of the proposition that Deathbed Companions arose from Dragon Communion! The Godwyn Dragon idea has been playing at me recently given the description of Death Lightning suggesting that Godwyn essentially always had gold lightning & is the key to the linking of gold between Erdtree & Dragons :) it always felt odd for just one son/lineage to take on the God- prefix. & as much I love your Silver Tear Bayle idea, I'm coming around to the idea that Drakes are the product of the first Dragon-Human union? Not super solid but feels like a potential avenue thats still open? Wondering if Stormveil hiding the Godslayer Seal & Godskin Prayerbook might also hint at the original nature of grafting? The Godskins are near definitely using powers akin to grafting in manipulating the skin itself, & are also often tied back to the Crucible themselves! Great video, keep at it good mimic!
Love your theories; you do for Elden Ring what Hawkshaw did for DS1. I think the term Tarnished is a reference to a Sufi metaphor of "polishing the Mirror of the Heart". A description of realising Gnosis. I feel that Religious Esoterism is one of the themes that sets Fromsoft's oeuvre apart from other popular fantasy (Berzerk excepted).
“The only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself” is the guiding principle that GRRM writes with , and I think Miyazaki does too. It’s no coincidence that Silver Tear Mimics are reflective like a mirror! Thanks for the comment, I am going to have to looking into that Sufi metaphor, it’s beautiful!
@@JackisaMimicCheers! I believe the idea is similar to Christian and Hindu principles - Sin and the fall from Grace cause us to misapprehend our true nature as reflections of God, like a mirror becoming tarnished. The Trick-Mirror talismans and Clouded Mirror Stand seem to make reference.
I wonder if Godrick was more than he seemed though? The lore reads a bit differently in hindsight of the DLC. Especially when read very closely and in context with other lore that is similar in word choice and theme. Country bumpkin and Shamen Village countryside for instance: "Marika bathed the village of her home in gold" "To our home, bathed in rays of gold..." I think he is the descendent of a sainted clone of Marika (any sainted clone result would be a dilution of her divine blood), one sainted with demihumans (he is described as a runt in a litter like Boc), as related to Demihuman Queen Marigga as he is Queen Marika. Kenneth said it was possible to comingle with demihumans under the Erdtree. Given what we know about jars - it can be read as literally now. Might explain how we got 3 Demihuman Queens with GMM naming conventions with similar names to the Demigod GMM set.
I feel like there is something to dig around the ruins of the fingers that seem to illustrate the dichotomy of the world. Clearly the ruins of Dheo, tinted blue, evoke ice, the moon, spirits, death, when the ruins of Rhia tinted red evoke fire, the sun, matter, life. And I think you're absolutely right, that's it. Metyr caused the splintering from the beginning out of jealousy against the Elden Beast by wanting absolutely to counter it, and for that she created two paths to increase her chances of success, but it was the road to the gradual dissolution/corruption of the elden ring, which made the "outer gods" appear. GG man ^^ And probably the destructive and deviant mental states like jealousy, anger, resentment, pain, are the elements that FS wanted to highlight, to signify their corrupting impact on society.
Great video, i like this view of the lore.The part after the Sun realm felt a bit random,seems like it could have been cut and made into another video.Also i noticed you didn't mention the GEQ at all.. understandable 😄
I really like Elden Ring lore discussion, but sometimes it gets really meta. Like digging in summerian and Babilonian shit that we have LESS lore than Velka. 😂
Ok, I am confused at the end of your video. I followed up until the end. I don't understand what you are trying to imply at the end. Yes, it makes the most sense that Miquella gave Melina Torrent to give to us but, how does that give you the impression he lead us to the shadow lands? We were lead by grace. Messmer states that Marika chose us in some way, Leda realizes we are being guided by something other than Miquella, though she thinks it's the Erdtree, and finally, even Miquella refers to us as a warrior for the old order. He didn't guide us nor want us there. So I don't get the end of your video. It's a good video but I am confused by the end.
@JackisaMimic OK, I guess you're coming back around to the end of that video? Still doesn't make any sense. The grace guiding us is Marika. I already knew that. Your video implied she's a mimic. Nowhere in any part of the game from item descriptions to cutscenes to environmental clues is this remotely alluded to. Plus, it makes more sense that when she became the vessel of the Elden Ring that she became the vessel of grace. Therefore, she IS grace. The big grace at the Rountable is her. I believe it makes more sense that after she shattered the Elden Ring that she divested herself of her soul, her GRACE, and sent it to the Roundtable hold in order to give grace back to the Tarnished. Then she guides us from there in order to finish her plan. To kill Radagon, take the ring, and stop Miquella. The god she wants dead isn't herself but Miquella. He is following her footsteps. Miquella's story is mirroring Marika's in a way. She divested Radagon to become a god. He divests St. Trina to become a god. She then used the gate of divinity after tricking the hornsent. He used the gate of divinity after tricking Leda and her group and possibly Radahn. She sees he is doing what she did and doesn't want him to suffer that fate. The reason we don't see grace when we first enter the shadow lands, at least to me, was because we went beyond the veil and by killing the first boss in the dlc we weakened the veil. A little crack for her grace to come through. Miquella as I said had no clue we were on his tail until Leda figured it out and neither suspected or even thought of Marika. Leda mentions the Erdtree and he mentions the old order. Only Messmer sees it. I think that's because she never took grace away from him. It's never mentioned that he lost it just that he was left behind with the original sin. He can see grace which means he can see her guiding us. That's why he is confused. Why us? The Tarnished? When they fought together against the hornsent the Tarnished were already cast out and stripped of grace. Why us and why now? We were guided by grace, i.e. Marika, to stop Miquella. This is further supported by Gideon after you tell him the cocoon in Mohg's possession is Miquella. He mentions that maybe the Queen's grief was warranted before changing the subject and refusing to elaborate. Also, just something interesting, Hewg mentions that smithing helps him forget the sheer terror of her. From what I've seen most people think she scared him but in context it can have a different meaning. I don't think she scared him. He saw fear IN her. It wasn't him that was terrified but HER and whatever scares a god surely will scare a smart man. He feared what he didn't know. In conclusion, from what I know in the game from items, remembrances, the environments and so on is at odds with your implication at the end which is why I am still confused. Nothing in game indicates that Miquella want to show us something or guide us there. If anything, based on Leda's actions and the rest of the group that stayed by her side, he wanted us dead and stopped before reaching him. I don't think I'm missing anything or misinterpreting anything hence why I asked for clarity. What you are saying vs what is I have found in game seems to be at odds with each other but, if I have missed something please feel free to show me. I love the lore of this game so I'm all ears. P.S. I get that the story of Elden is influenced and inspired by Berserk and George R.R. Martin's books. Hell, he wrote the game's story but, just because the story has influences and even the same writer doesn't mean it's following the same beats. If anything it's just that writer using similar themes in a different way to convey a similar yet vastly different idea.
Great Video Jack, I love your Lore Videos❤ This is my First Comment since the DLC came out and I want to share some Lore Findings. First Please you have to watch all Elden Ring Cinematics/Cutscenes again. I discovered a lot of new Hidden Details. I’m also convinced that Godfrey is not Godwyns Father and that Marika was Indeed the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Because Godwyn is Named the Prince of Death and The Beast Eye Maliketh gives to us belongs to Godwyn. The Eternal Cities are responsible for the Swift End of the Age of Plenty. If a Whole Society is banished underground wouldn’t they try to take revenge in Form of meddling with the Erdtree Roots ? Plotting with Empyrean Ranni and creating the Fingerslaying Blade? The Elden Beast looks like a combination of Various Creatures, that shows me it used the Shamans unique feature to merge/blend with other Life forms. Also the Scar on its Belly as if the Elden Beast plucked something out of itself, maybe Marika/Radagon just to punish her with the Crucifixion. It’s odd that Miquella and Malenia never had a Shadowbound Beast, it’s as if only Carian Empyreans get one. It’s as if Miquella forced Radahn not only to be his Consort but also his Shadowbound Beast. If Gurranq is Radagons Shadow that would explain why Marika has Maliketh as her Shadow it’s because Both are the Same. It’s so obvious now. Gurranqs Quest and Radagons Hunters of Those who Live in Death have nearly the same Goal. That would mean Maliketh only came into existence after Radagon became Part of the Carian Lineage. My Last Finding is that Godfreys Fate would have become the same Fate Radahn went through. Marika was supposed to be on Godfreys Back not Serosh. The Person named Godfrey First Elden Lord Godfrey is the Soul aspect while Horar Loux is the Body. Same with Radahn and Mogh. Marika escaped that Fate by altering the Fate of several other people and beings, plucking the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring and later Shattering it.
Love your channel man, love how you try to look at the complete narrative rather than individual stories if that makes sense. Almost all your points link up with my thoughts, Godwyn not being confirmed as Godfrey's child has always stuck with me, with Messmer that adds to my demigod twin theory. I'd love to hear your thoughts on Godwyn always being a fish thing and the player character being a demigod, especially with the new cutscene from the lion dancer calling us progeny of the vile strumpet.
This was a very cool look at the lore. Shadow of the Erdtree definitely does quite a bit to recontextualize things about the Golden Lineage. However, I do think Godwyn is of Godfrey. Aside from being Godwyn the Golden the same finger reader that cries about how he should be a martyr calls him a "scion of the golden bough." Translating into regular people talk "A member of the Golden Lineage, the lineage of Godfrey and Marika." Godfrey's Erdtree order was one that was more inclusive than the later Golden Order of Radagon. So Godwyn would be doing the most Godfrey thing by fighting the dragons and then bringing them into the fold. I can't help but suspect that the Crucible Knights are traitor Divine Beast/Bird Warriors. The "Tree Helm" is just a disguise for their horns. Sorry thoughts are scrambled today but I do want to know your thoughts on how the DLC handled Gold. I ask because the Crucible Knight armor and such really set a different expectation of the Crucible era. Why is the Enir Ilim yellow gold instead of Crucible Red Gold? Hornsent incantations are also decidely yellow as well. There was this big point of Red being the color of the Crucible but when you get into the Land of Shadow, the Land of the Crucibles, the natural red life and the crucible is MIA mostly. Like they forgot or something.
Another fantastic lore video that brings to much depth to moments I think frivolous. But nothing is frivolous in elden ring and the more videos people make the more we realize what a special game this is. Maybe a once in a lifetime game.
Not only was this an excellent video with a lot of believable theories, but I massively respect your (successful?) attempt at wrestling with perhaps the most underwhelming part of the lore, Godefroy. Now I have to watch all of your videos.
Merrika likely had many children but those who died were cast aside and forgotten I believe one of the churches talks about making something of yourself and if fail to do so you’ll be forgotten. So the golden lineage is likely diluted off spring of merrika, similar to the dragons seeds (bastard valerian children) from a song of ice and fire.
Interestingly having a dragon seed is seen as a blessing born from laying with the godlike valerians. So since G.R.R Martin helped make the lore I wouldn’t be surprised if he reused this concept. So it’s not a stretch for some unnamed demigod to have numerous children some base born.
I personally have always viewed the demigod tittle as just that a tittle that can be earned and Godrick sorta proves that and nothing to do with actual blood lineage. So many of this Demigods are just other nobleman who acquired high enough status and renown to be granted the tittle of demigod by Marika and adopted as Marika's "children". Like some sort of Medieval work around to the fact that numen children are seldom born.
this is how i sound when my friend says elden ring had no story thanks for this video! i often fail to think of how to succinctly explain how elden ring got it's hooks in me. it really is that everything does have an explanation, even if it is just out of reach enough to call everything a theory.
I just realized that marika is completing the shape of the elden ring with those gold strands in the trailer for shadow of the erdtree. Those strands form the top part of the elden ring thats like a bowl and considering that we see the rest of the elden ring is inside her like we see at the end of the game, it seems to match up pretty well
Added comment, because you actually read them and are awesome: I've yet to see any lore content creator outline the rebis alchemical concept placed upon the empyreans? Marika/radagon, Ranni/renna (is that her other self? We see the soul of it placed onto her always), Miquella/st-trina...the empyreans ready to become gods seem to be rebis, perfect beings...going with the alchemy iconography in albinaurics, perfumers and even the way the golden order repressed all of that whilst still studying it to understand it well ''as a measure of control''...I think GRR Martin just put in ER a loooot of alchemy, and that isn't explored enough to dig into ER.
I may go over this briefly in the next video. GRRM had an interview at Oxford where he talks about "magic systems" in fantasy stories and then explained how he is influenced by what people believed magic to be in the real world. I think it explains why we see so much of it in the game. I am not someone who knows too much about Alchemy or its history, so I won't be doing a deep dive in it.
We have the shamans who are forced to meld flesh to reach divinity, and then the gate of divinity made from fused pillars of flesh. Marika then uses these (fresh) forced sacrifices to reach divinity, and Miqella later tries to sacrifice his own body and self to fix 'the betrayal' done by Marika.
I like your lore takes a lot But the goddamn bayle is created by the nox theory just has no way of explaining why the nox didnt copy bayle instead of creating him with the dragonkin soldiers. Everything else makes sense The deathroot dragon connection makes sense But bayle being created by the nox just doesnt cause it makes more sense for bayles broken off body parts to have somehow made their way into the hands of the nox who then decided to make dragons (what is important to consider is that the nox were already banished by that point considering they knew no true sky) the timeline with this also doesnt make sense because placidusaxs reign was specifically an age before the erdtree and godfrey and the nox are descendence of the shaman and marika so way after bayles betrayal or rebellion
Take my theories together in totality. Consider the implications of what happened after Bayle fought Placidusax, that his God fled. Do you think the Nox have an interest in Placidusax’s God, whoever she may be?
@@JackisaMimicjust watched the video again You won me over with the arcane argument I also noticed bayle spells only have a arcane requirement while every other dragon spell has faith also( a mix of regular flesh and manmade) Dammit ya got me XD
@@knightlightformore3298 Thats probably because bayle is an omen dragon i mean look at him he has horns all over his head that would also explain why he has flame lightning because omen have flame blood which also explains the arcane requirement
What was the end of the video about exactly? What is it that miquella wants us to see? Also was it implied marika was placi’s fled god? A lot of really cool stuff I feel like there were things that could’ve been clearer?
10:06 pretty sure Goldwyn looks like a fish because the suppressing pillar says that all manners of death coalesce at the center of the lands between. Except the center of the lands between is currently ocean.
Damn good video. It is inspiring me to riff off of you, and drop some things I have noticed: So is the Fell God that sun god? And did Marika, as Radagon trick GEQ to kill Fell God with Dragon Scale weaponry, and then betray her and steal the RadaGEQ children? Were they able to seduce because Radagon is a Dragon, maybe? [sidenote: Marika = I Makar, did she partake in communion?] In traditions visualizing snakes, Kundalini, Alchemy, hippocratic, etc. we see a double helix of snakes going upward to divinity, but in Bellurat and everywhere with the hornsent other than some stone tablets of a simple tree, it is entirely or mostly a uni-directional spiral. Under Eiglee in Volcano Manor it is the opposite direction, and Farum Azula's storm is also this opposite direction. I feel this is on purpose. Who are Godwyn's Father and Mother?
My personal head cannon is that Godfroy was a soldier that was grafted to look like Godrick so Godrick could escape among the women and make it look like he never left so godefroy was like a decoy of sorts
This is accurate. He used him as a decoy and fled to Stormveil to remain in hiding. Where Morgott (Margit) acted as his first line of defense to protect his great rune.
Are you gonna mention the divide between straight/forked lightning in ancient dragons? I believe they signify a divide in ancient dragon society
That is a common misconception, and it's easy to make. You're confusing Forked Lightning, which all Ancient Dragons use, with Branching Lightning that Senessax uses. Branching Lightning is associated with the Ancient Dragons who betrayed Placidusax and sided with Bayle, and the primary difference is that the lightning can "jump" from one target to another.
Use a Red Lightning Pot against two enemies who are standing next to each other, and compare it to any other lightning based attack, you will notice that branching lightning will chain to other enemies while other lightning will just explode.
The wording is confusing but branching is referring to the gameplay mechanic of the lightning, not the actual visual of the spears that the Dragons are using.
@@JackisaMimic I think this is one of those item descriptions that would benefit from comparison with an alternate translation of the Japanese text.
"Gently removes the lion from his back" as blood is exploding everywhere 😂😂😂 bro I died
Godefroy lore lets gooooo
Finally. Tell me of the real main character.
Chodefroy
@KingSleaze916 wouldn't it be amazing if they released a trailer for their next game, and it was "Chronicles of Godefroy." It could be so beautifully stupid. All the lore it feeds you would fit somewhere between meh, and this an art crime.
@@johneverimanne3986 Lmao there’s been way dumber game ideas in the past. Your idea would be hilarious if that was made dude I’d definitely watch a lore dive on it lol
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Super underrated lore content here that deserves wayyyy more views from the community. You seem to grasp the way Elden ring’s story is told on a deeper level than some of the big lore creators. I just want to thank you for sharing your discoveries and providing amazing content!
Thank you for watching! I appreciate the feedback. If you wanna understand Elden Ring's story, you just gotta play the game ;)
new sub here. Came to say the same thing, you deserve more subs and with content like this then im sure you will get them.
@@JackisaMimicAnd read GRRM's psychoanalysis notes 😂
@@JackisaMimic playing the game itself is much harder and time consuming than diving into wiki with item descriptions :)
@@JackisaMimicyou need to collaborate with MissChalice
10:10 I have no reason to think this, but Godwyn looking like a fish has always reminded me of the old tale that inspired magikarp/gyarados, where a carp climbs a waterfall and turns into a dragon
Aspects of the crucible: Magicarp ☠️
100% a plot point in Sekiro as well
@@vDubkLub Is it a twist on that story. He turned from a powerful dragon into pitiful carp.
There is a video exploring his bodies in the catacombs in the land of shadow and they show an arm similar to that of the basilisk. Godwyn is turning into a giant Death Basilik.
Scum mage infa made a video called Godwyn the malformed dragon it's a pretty cool theory
I literally said "what the fuuuuuck" multiple times while watching this. I'm familiar with all of these puzzle pieces but have never seen them arranged and explained like this. This is incredibly good work.
My mind is drooling lol, fiah being fortissaux is insane but makes so much sense w the dlc info
@@FINOFOREVERR that one got me as well, very very interesting detail - would change the dymanic of everything
2:08 if bayle is a mimic of the dragon lord and his offspring are the fire breathing dragons, then Godrick's trying to mimic Godfrey Its mimics all the way to the start.
mimics all the way down
@bongofgreed4302 Stop encouraging him, it's hard enough to get him to take his medicine
Mimikyu
@@ScumMageInfaThis is rich coming from you lol
Hey be nice to Vaati’s alt account
This is easily one of your best videos. The editing, the comedy, the drama, the eye opening connections! Wow. We have been truly graced.🔥🔥🔥
The fact that those who live in death are immune to Miquella’s charm maybe lend credence to Miquella wanting Radahn and not Godwyn as his consort
@nickperri6571 I like to think that he initially wanted Godwyn, failed to fix him, and then settled for Radahn.
wait, wait. that could also mean that Miquella may have wanted Godwyn but cannot. those who live in death immunity to miquella's charm seem to suggest that Godwyn was miquella resistant. rather, he was already claimed by the dragons??
@@jonathan0225it’s because he has no soul, there’s nothing to charm. Miquella wanted Godwin as his consort but there was nothing to do to save him. The Golden Epitaph states a prayer miquella did for him “please die a true death” hoping he could meet him in the Shadowlands if Godwyn could truly die
Considering the other two Godfrey/Marika children are clearly cursed, now twice-confirmed thanks to Hornsent Grandam, Godwyn being suspiciously perfect is pretty telling. He wouldn't be the only bastard in the royal family...
It likely means Godwyn was born before Messmer's crusade. But it also means Morgott and Mohg are younger than Radahn, for them to born cursed. Given the lack of mention of Radahn's siblings around the crusade era I think this is meant to imply Radahn is the oldest of Rennala's kids. I think Ranni might be the youngest since there are zero things mentioning her and Radagon. He even gets Rykard a job in the family business but the Golden Order largely leaves Ranni behind. Considering how it broke Rennala she might have been at a very vunerable point when Radagon left, like say pregnant with his daughter. The idea that Ranni was born shortly before the twins were conceived/born would also put us in close-ish time frame for whatever cosmic or biological event that would need to be going on for Marika to produce Emypereans. Basically, whatever that window was she squeezed 3 out.
Sorry about that, this stuff started occurring to me as I was typing out the first sentence and I just ran with it. Your thoughts?
Most likely Godwyn was Marika's child when she was still the Gloam Eyed Queen before she became the Queen of Eternal Life. Or perhaps the child of the Grandma.
@@johnvoices4087 I feel like that's just overcomplicating and rewriting something the game plainly presents us.
Jack got that part wrong, the same Finger Reader he sites even calls Godwyn the scion of the Golden Bough, translation a member of the Golden Lineage. His warriors (Death Knights) wield golden axes, the Golden Axe is just as much a signifier of the Golden Lineage as the Lion. No, I'm not saying every Axe is a sign of the Golden Lineage, but the golden axe in context of everything else about him paints Godwyn's picture. As it stands there is no actual evidence that I'm aware of that defies the logic of Godwyn the Golden, scion of the Golden Bough, also known as the lineage of Godfrey is the child of Marika and Godfrey. We have no reason to doubt this truth.
Jack says "He made friends with the Dragons" but here's the thing, Godfrey's Erdtree Order had a habit of incorporating their foes into the fold. Radagon's era is when the Gold Order ferments and begins to cast people out. So Godwyn befriending the dragons is also very much inline with the behavior of the Erdtree Order.
I'm actually really curious about your explanation/evidence for your theory, as I've seen people trying to re-parent Godwyn and still am not sure why. I could be wrong and if I am I just wanna be convinced.
I take it to be a reference to his title as "the Golden". He is the Golden child, the one child of Marika who wasn't cursed.
@@Writh811 Morgott has shade of Godfrey without Serosh(Before Morgott boss fight). And Radahn JP armor states that when Radahn captivated by Godfrey+Serosh he was child. So Morgott is older.
Godefroy wouldn't be so stupid if it wasn't literally the exact same character model as Godrick. You're telling me these two near-identical guys independently grafted the exact same amount of arms to themselves in the exact same places?
Must be the optimal grafting strat ig
Godrick just copied the build from the internet without thinking too much about it. Who among us is free from this sin?
Having read ASOIAF, you have done so well presenting the story in the style of GRRM. It’s masterful really
Wow thank you so much, that really means a lot to hear!
@@JackisaMimic it really sets your content apart from other people’s analysis. It’s like a key ingredient they tend to miss out on that you nail. Quite thankful 🙏🏽
Right? Vaati got nothing on this level of detail and interconnectivity in his lore videos.
Can you explain this a bit? How was the story presented in a style like asoiaf?
This is the lore video equivalent to Charlie from IASIP gesturing wildly at a corkboard filled with papers connected by different colored string.
its literally that lmao. I noticed its the main type of content on this channel and I like it this way
Pretty sure it’s impossible to solve lore, I believe one of Miyazaki’s fascinations are filling in the blanks with imagination and only understanding half of it
(comes from how he used to read English books which is a second language that at the time he evidently didn’t understand half of)
The gaps in solid lore also allow them to focus more on gameplay which is their priority so all things considered the lore isn’t perfect and can’t really be completely solved… but that’s the appeal to it
Yeah but there is a difference between solving a puzzle with a few missing pieces and playing madlibs, and I think elden ring is dangerously treading towards the latter.
Creating something vague to spark imagination is a great illusion but its just that, an illusion, an illusion of depth. And running that formula into the ground is a recipe for disaster, Just look at TellTale games, their entire formula hinged on the "Illusion of Choice" in their games narrative, and for a while it worked to great effect, even garnering Game of The Year, but they got sloppy, and the illusion was broken, players get detached when they saw through the veil and realized none of their choices mattered.
The same fate can easily become Fromsoftwares, as lore speculation becomes meaningless when there is no real puzzle to solve. Players will detach and cease being invested once the imagimation well runs dry.
EDIT: Actually the Telltale comparison might me more apt than I initially thought, now that souls has hit mainstream success Fromsoftware is expanding, working on more projects now than ever with individual teams, and miyazaki will not be directing all of them...this could result in a damage to their quality control which was already shakey on a "Technical" level, and we saw how detrimental mismanaged projects can lead to divisive titles that fall short of the quality standard, no studio is immune to this effect, just look at Dark Souls 2.
Mark my words, enjoy the good times while they last because a fall is coming
And when that day comes I wont be asking "How did this happen??"
I'll just be _laughing at an Industry that never learns anything._
@sasaki999pro Elden Ring is an incredible “solvable” and complete story. Thanks to the lore being written by GRRM we know for a fact that there is a complete story under the hood, and understanding both authors makes it easy to fit all of the pieces in place.
Well, it’s not easy, but it’s still possible.
@@JackisaMimic Like I said, enjoy the good times while they last, but dont be surprised when Fromsofts reach inevitably exceeds their grasp. It ALWAYS happens after a big breakthrough success like the one Elden Ring had.
Happens with Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Sega, Platinum Games, Capcom, Blizzard, Square Enix, Bethesda, EA,
the list goes on and on and on.
I'm not calling myself a prophet, I'm just a guy who recognizes patterns.
@sasaki999pro recognizing patterns is the name of the game! It looks like a ring but it’s actually a spiral 🌀 😉
@@JackisaMimic 😉🫶
Enjoyed as always, thanks for helping this pleb slowly understand/process more and more about this game
Wisdom comes from the mouths of babes. You know more than you think 🧐
And thanks for not putting our moms on blast 🫶
I've been obsessed with the whole godwyn issue.
The big detail that everyone seem to miss is that Godwyn, and godrick after him. Are the only demigods that don't follow the naming convention. All other demigods have the first letter of their name taken from their mother, seen in mohg morggot miquela and melenia.
Knowing GRRM this is the kind of crucial detail in plain view that he likes.
If Godwyns mother is not Marika, he is in fact graffted into the golden lineage.
The only empyrean that starts with a G is the Gloam eyed queen.
Making Marika an Abductor Virgin.
Good catch man, here i was thinking it was because he was the first born and most likely to inherit the tittle of Elden Lord from his father(the whole first son inherits thing).
Was Godwyn actually a bastard? Is this why Marika allowed the black knife assassins to kill him or could it be that Godfrey was first married to the Gloam Eyed queen and after defeating her Marika earned the right to marry him and thus he became her stepson.
"gloam eye queen" is a title, not a name though.
This is a great, interconnected narrative breakdown - a format which most don't even try to pursue! It is a little less friendly to newcomers and people who haven't played the games, but that only makes it a little more zesty to those who have - we appreciate it even more. Really good content, keep at it!
Your understanding of how Fromsoft presents a story is refreshing, and you presented it all so well! This is probably one of, if not, the best lore breakdown on RUclips right now.
Seriously I thought this was just a shit post mocking guys like vaati for looking into deep, but my mind is genuinely blown
@@AM_61102Vaati doesnt look in deep at all
@@AM_61102 Vaati? Deep? Vaati is pure surface level storytelling banking on the emotional factor for its impact. It's not bad, but it's definitely not deep.
22:03 “This method for learning the story is present before you even start playing the game”
*cuts to Berserk*
Ah yes, the required reading before playing any Souls game 🤔
Love me some mimic propaganda with my morning coffee
He is the Alex Jones of mimics and I am here for it.
@@ScumMageInfa interested in buying some mimic supplements? They're rich in silver. Very good for you
Incredible work, Jack! A bloody masterpiece. I'm gonna have to watch this one again later!!!
21:08 I think Ensha mentions something about Godrick being one of Marika's grandchildren, his bloodline diluted.
BRILLIANT ❤ that went so quick it ATE thay 30mins.
It is such a fun detail that the butterflies ensure your death if youre goated enough (must be an OG thing, i guess mimics cant relate 😘) to kill the golden scion.
Look who's talking! Your voice sounds a lot like somebody else's I know 😜
@JackisaMimic Oi Oi Oi!
I have the patent remember?!
Legally OG 👀 😂
10:05 Just a small reminder that Elden Ring DID NOT have any DLC planned originally. Awesome story crafting
The lore and story that is found in the Shadow of the Erdtree DLC was all part of the original mythos that George RR Martin wrote for FromSoftware. The information we learned in the DLC was always part of the grand narrative.
As per Miyazaki during his interview with Eurogamer in Feb. 2024 - As for George Martin's involvement, essentially it is the same as it was with the base game," said Miyazaki. "The DLC Shadow of the Erdtree is based on one part of that original mythos that he penned for us. It's not a brand new mythos that he's written specifically for Shadow of the Erdtree, he has not created something new which informed the design of the DLC. It's simply another part of the original story that we thought fit to tell as a new expansion."
What is your source that there was not going to be any DLC planned originally, because that doesn't seem like it's founded in anything true?
The Fia = Fortissax thing is quite a compelling idea to me. Do you have a video about this? Great work in any case!
Pleasure to see you here Zayf!
I don't have a video on this topic specifically(my video on Godwyn's Sun Realm Resurrection from before the DLC goes into more of the Ancient Dragon Conspiracy through) but I have a community post with most of the evidence detailed for Fiassax: ruclips.net/channel/UCeedKEMrixcRXy9lj0k9F5Qcommunity?lb=UgkxmU8EfJtdXCgoaanaEsO2Fg95hbXeocEF
If you want, you can use my evidence and research for your own video on the subject matter. Doing a video just on Fiassax doesn't fit in my overall plans right now for my channel, but I am happy for these types of ideas to spread throughout the community.
Fia being Fortissax adds a lot of depth to Godwyn as a character because we see that there may be a Romeo/Juliet situation between two star crossed lovers who could never be together. As posited by Otacon in Metal Gear Solid, "Do you think love can bloom on a battlefield?"
You make really great videos so I could see you making something great with this theory and evidence, all I would ask for is recognition and a name drop.
Until then, I gotta get back to work on my own Gloam Eye'd Queen video. Yours was excellent, I look forward to see if you come across it and what your thoughts are.
@@JackisaMimic Very cool man, and generous for you to offer to share your findings! I have some things currently in the pipeline but it's definitely something I will keep in mind and I will 100% credit you/name drop you if I end up doing something with it. In fact, if you would be open to it, some kind of cross collaboration about that or something else at some point in the future could be neat 🙂
I genuinely appreciate the kind words from someone I respect and the MGS reference is just icing on top.
Looking forward to hearing what you have to say on the GEQ!
I would love to share some ideas for a collab, you can find my email on my channel page and we can move from there.
Hey man, this is one of the best Elden ring videos I’ve see, really good writing and I don’t know a lot of that stuff even tho I am into the lore like, really cool video keep up the work
Cool video, I really agree with the approach that when and where we learn thing is very important. Thing are often bookended or reference an earlier similarity with a twist.
One of these is an important detail that is the very last thing in DLC and is also at the end of the base game. When we access Miquella memory it plays the same blinding light and sound as when we enter the Erdtree. The Erdtree is a conduit for memories and creates round table, where the largest grace is, where we begin new game plus. It could be the case that the fight inside the Erdtree is just a memory and Gideon is correct that we are cursed to struggle forever.
If the game is a cycle (maybe created by the Elden Ring being smashed, it starts to explain things like invasions from other worlds and so on, there is a tone to unpack if you buy into the idea.
It’s all just a burning memory
Jack putting out another banger of a video, always a joy to also see you comment on other lore channels like elden tales
"Ruin fragment inscribed with letters. Reveals additional messages from other worlds. Words are gregarious things, drawn to one another much as people are." - Script Stone
Sometimes, just leaving a message is all that is necessary for helping someone in need. You never know who might read it.
@@JackisaMimic 🗣🥲
I'm glad to see someone else mention that Marika might have been in on the night of the black knives, but not in on Ranni's plans. The more people dig into Godwyn, it seems like he was meant to die and likely was meant to have been revived. There are some lines that seem to refer this as a way to rebirth the age of plenty. I get the impression that Ranni used this moment to kill her body, throwing Marika's plans to the wind. I think this explains why Iji has been killed by black knife assassins near the end of Ranni's quest line.
Meanwhile, Marika, with her favored child in a state of undeath, and her age of plenty destined to fade, shatters the ring in grief and desperation.
I'm hesitant about your theory on Bayle and the Nox, but I think you've mostly got the right of the main storyline with this one.
I have changed my perspective on the eclipse plan and I personally have viewed it as a last contingency plan for ranni. in case Miquella himself failed to create the age of compassion. She follows the moon and the moon must cover and overtake the Sun(erdtree) causing an eclipse and only then will this eclipse plan actually work. It would allow Godwyn to resurrect along with those demigods in the masoleums and bring down Ranni. (Elden ring 2)
@@ramoraid I'm uncertain about that. But this game makes it easy to be uncertain about most things. It strikes me as something calculated on the part of Ranni, and not like a desperate act on her part.
It strikes me more as a desperate act on the part of Marika who Ranni exploited, but I dunno. I don't quite get why the night of the black knives is an act meant to bring down Ranni. Most of the breakdowns I've seen point to it as an act for Marika to keep her age of plenty going (shades of Gwyn).
@@DaneMurdock the night of knives was a conspiracy by ranni and a numen faction aligned with the nox. This was a way to strike back at Marika.
There were 3 empyrians ranni, miquella and Malenia. Malenia was never going to succeed Marika, there is a reason she calls herself blade of miquella. Miquella abandoned the golden order, the 2 fingers aswell and he started his own city state in his haligtree. So who is left in the end to succeed Marika? Ranni, is now the de facto successor to Marika.
Now Ranni is going be replacing Marika at some point who is likely to be her Elden lord? Remember the 2 fingers are the ones making all this decision and pulling the strings from behind. The answer is very obvious, Godwyn. Ranni's plan to kill Godwyn has 2 purposes free herself from the 2 fingers and strike back at Marika.
One piece of lore barely anyone talks about is that miquella and Ranni actually had communications with each other and came to an agreement of sorts. Malenia would be allowed to pass through liurnia on her way to defeat radhan, something we know Ranni eventually task the player to do. Miquella indeed was mad about his brother's passing and when you begin to see the eclipse plan as a contingency plan, if ranni ever got her age of the stars, the pieces all fall in together. The Eclipse plan would only ever work one the moon(Ranni) swallow/covers the sun(erdtree). Miquella is a mastermind he planned a nasty surprise for Ranni if he ever lost, the eclipse plan.
Elden ring is not a fromsoft story it's a GRRM story, fromsoft added to it but the bulk is straight up a GRRM story.
@@DaneMurdock Marika was a puppet by the time Radagon became Elden lord. The 2 fingers were the ones pulling the strings. Radagon is not Marika, he is just a loyal hound of the golden order (2 fingers) and he became her warden, the chains and strings that controlled her. This part is not detailed in the item descriptions but it's all there laid out in Radagons own magic and his Rune. It is literally behind what everyone sees as the elden ring that # pattern is radagon Rune.
This video is amazing! Great analysis! I agree with most of…if not all of it. The Fia is fortissax is a great catch!! I didn’t catch that one but totally makes sense. It even mentions the companion thing part of the lore.
Aside from all the stuff in this video…I could def see godwyn being part dragon. I also believe that marika is the GEQ. And not like a “marika and GEQ were stuffed in a jar together so they are 2 people in 1”…I believe she is actually that queen and she hid that part of her in the “shadow” of her past. Saint from a jar -> saint marika…gloam eyed queen -> queen marika. If I were stuffed in a jar and tortured I’d probably build some god slaying weapons too and seek revenge! Lol
As for the mimics thing…i find it interesting that the voice who narrates the start of the game is also attributed to being a voice of an ancient albinauric…telling the tarnish to “rise”….probably looking into that more that I should but…maybe it has some meaning! Anyways… love this content! Definitely gets my mind churning!
Halfway through the video, I got so impressed that I just had to click Subscribe. I knew the lore in bits and pieces, but the way you connected it all together really helped me put into perspective all these disconnected dots.
FELLOW GUTS ROLEPLAY ENJOYER? Miyazaki realized none of the other crossbows felt right, so he gave us the repeater in the DLC. What a lad, honestly.
Finally! Someone else deduced that Fia IS Fortissax. Her name is literally inside Fortissax's name.
Wait, yes, and she is dead after we kill Fortissax; I always wondered why she just up and died. 😮
It's also in Florissax 🤫
after seeing you in the comment section of a lot of other theories and lore discussions I knew this video was going to be interesting at least but still im impressed. Even 3 years later the first boss you encounter holds so many hidden lore implications. Really a Masterpiece.
The story beats of SOTE want us to think about madness in a more profound way. These are the important bits; Headless Midra, Headless Marika's statues, Count Ymir dialogues about the nature of the world, And the Scadu Tree Avatar holding Miquella's rune (before the fight, the water looks odly familiar from what we see in the Abyssal Woods.) Even Bayle's lightning resembles those aspects, so We should considering what we saw in the Marika's trailer again. The roots are mired in madness, indeed. Great vid as usual
Jack, I've got a question for you regarding Fia. You mentioned that we can deduce that she is Fortisax, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. At the start of the game the narrator says "arise ye tarnished, the dead that who yet live, the call of grace speaks to us all" before listing off 5 important tarnished figures, one of which being Fia. So wouldn't that mean Fia is a tarnished? Is it possible for her to be both a tarnished AND a dragon? And if she was here before the tarnished were divested of grace and has now returned when it was restored, would that gap cause any rifts in your line of thinking? If Fortisax has been inside of Godwyn's dream this whole time battling the death blight, would that have any implications on Fia's role or very existence in this interpretation of the story?
As always, excellent work, really love seeing you continue to make creative changes in the delivery of your interpretations and can tell you're having a lot of fun with your storytelling. Peace and Love!
Pay attention to the slides at the start of the game. Every Tarnished that received Grace before being revived is dead, except for Fia. She is upright, lying next to a corpse, and alive before she receives Grace, unlike the others we see.
There are other pieces of evidence for Fia = Fortissax that I didn't include in the video, so here they are in case you are curious.
Both Fia and Fortissax have a black exterior and a gold "interior" (Black Scales/Black Shawl, Gold Scales/Gold Shawl)
Fia's name is hidden in FortIssAx
After Fia kills D, she levitates and disappears, teleporting to Godwyn. When we fight Lansseax for the first time near the coffins and the Abandoned Coffin site of Grace, she also teleports away. Adula is another dragon who has the ability to teleport (however, this could be due to sorcery like Miriam’s Vanishing), as well as Placidusax during his storm attack phases. So dragons have the ability to teleport, and to my knowledge, Fia is the only humanoid NPC who can as well.
Fia resides in the room with the Magic Mirror that allows players to change their appearance. That room also has two paintings of Marika, who is famous for being able to change her identity or figure as Radagon. Giving us more hints and clues that Fia is able to change her form in some way.
Lastly, we have the Ancient Dragon Priestesses who would commune with knights of the Ancient Dragon Cult. If Godwyn befriended Fortissax, she would logically also have transformed to commune with him as well.
Hope all of that satisfies!
@@JackisaMimicexcellent breakdown preceptor! Fia can also teleport our player character directly into Leyndell if we complete her questline before going there, which likely strengthens your points here... Thanks for taking the time to respond, I'm gonna go find the scattered pieces of my brain and try to cram them back into my skull now 😂
@@JackisaMimicThis shoulda been in the video this was AWESOME information. You could maybe edit it in and note it in your video because this is a very great breakdown of Fia = Forti!
@@JackisaMimic Our tarnished can also teleport - are we a dragon?
@nomattr technically, we're a human mimicking a scarlet rot doggo, mimicking a lion whose mimicking a weasel that's mimicking a goat that, either is a dragon, or is just dressed like one. Try and keep up folks 🙃
Wonderful video filled with some great connections
I couldn’t stop seeing the pattern of “going forward to go backwards”. When you progress in the game you end up uncovering more about what came before
The very first line from GRRM’s A Game of Thrones is “We should start back.” It’s not surprising that you would notice this pattern.
Love the editing on this one. Very engaging throughout
Godwin the Dragonborn
Always glad to see a new Jack the mimic video. Keep up the great work
"The first demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage"
Godrick, "lord of all that is golden"
Godwyn the golden.
The greatrune doesn't mention parentage because GODRICK'S parents are not important, but the golden lineage and it's legacy is.
Saying Godwyn is not of the Golden lineage would require insane amounts of mental gymnastics. He doesn't need to be a dragon's child to take their side, just like the Nameless King.
No where does it mention in game the Godrick is actually part of the Golden Lineage, his Great Rune just lists what the criteria is, not that he is actually a part of it. Some characters mention it, but characters can be wrong or lie.
This is one of the techniques Elden Ring uses to hide information. The item description isn't wrong, it just isn't telling you everything. Sometimes what isn't said is just as important as what is said.
@@JackisaMimicIsnt he explicitly called "runt of the litter" though? That would still count as part of the lineage
That line is from Enia when talking about Marika’s offspring. Godwyn and Godrick are part of Marika’s lineage, the issue is finding evidence for them being part of Godfrey’s lineage.
You cant believe how quickly this video came into my feed after completing Fia’s quest again after the dlc and realising there had to be a connection between the two blessings received from Fia and the Priestess. I think you are absolutely cooking my man
This is exactly what a mimic would say!
I unironically love the amateur archeology/genealogy phase the fandom is going through and I'm so glad you're contributing.
I never thought of comparing Godwyn to a dragon despite his obvious relationship with them - I saw his transformation into a fish as a nod to the kind of constellation that connects death, sleep, and the ocean in ER. But if a dragon is a winged serpent, maybe a fish is a serpent slithering through the sea 🤔
I just call him a Sea Dragon 🐉
@@JackisaMimic cough Basilisk Cough
Love the connections between Godfrey & The Hornsent culture :) definitely feels like there's more to that!
Especially fond of the proposition that Deathbed Companions arose from Dragon Communion!
The Godwyn Dragon idea has been playing at me recently given the description of Death Lightning suggesting that Godwyn essentially always had gold lightning & is the key to the linking of gold between Erdtree & Dragons :) it always felt odd for just one son/lineage to take on the God- prefix.
& as much I love your Silver Tear Bayle idea, I'm coming around to the idea that Drakes are the product of the first Dragon-Human union? Not super solid but feels like a potential avenue thats still open?
Wondering if Stormveil hiding the Godslayer Seal & Godskin Prayerbook might also hint at the original nature of grafting? The Godskins are near definitely using powers akin to grafting in manipulating the skin itself, & are also often tied back to the Crucible themselves!
Great video, keep at it good mimic!
Love your theories; you do for Elden Ring what Hawkshaw did for DS1.
I think the term Tarnished is a reference to a Sufi metaphor of "polishing the Mirror of the Heart". A description of realising Gnosis.
I feel that Religious Esoterism is one of the themes that sets Fromsoft's oeuvre apart from other popular fantasy (Berzerk excepted).
“The only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself” is the guiding principle that GRRM writes with , and I think Miyazaki does too. It’s no coincidence that Silver Tear Mimics are reflective like a mirror! Thanks for the comment, I am going to have to looking into that Sufi metaphor, it’s beautiful!
@@JackisaMimicCheers! I believe the idea is similar to Christian and Hindu principles - Sin and the fall from Grace cause us to misapprehend our true nature as reflections of God, like a mirror becoming tarnished.
The Trick-Mirror talismans and Clouded Mirror Stand seem to make reference.
Holy crap finally a lore video that explains the lore in a simple and plain non-convoluted way. THANK YOU!
Might be my fave lore video from elden ring, love the way how each plot point seamlessly weaves into each other
Get ready for the next video then, this stuff is present in the whole game.
I wonder if Godrick was more than he seemed though? The lore reads a bit differently in hindsight of the DLC. Especially when read very closely and in context with other lore that is similar in word choice and theme. Country bumpkin and Shamen Village countryside for instance:
"Marika bathed the village of her home in gold"
"To our home, bathed in rays of gold..."
I think he is the descendent of a sainted clone of Marika (any sainted clone result would be a dilution of her divine blood), one sainted with demihumans (he is described as a runt in a litter like Boc), as related to Demihuman Queen Marigga as he is Queen Marika. Kenneth said it was possible to comingle with demihumans under the Erdtree. Given what we know about jars - it can be read as literally now. Might explain how we got 3 Demihuman Queens with GMM naming conventions with similar names to the Demigod GMM set.
I didn't even watch it yet, but here - a thumbsup! Love your content, man. Thank you!
I feel like there is something to dig around the ruins of the fingers that seem to illustrate the dichotomy of the world.
Clearly the ruins of Dheo, tinted blue, evoke ice, the moon, spirits, death, when the ruins of Rhia tinted red evoke fire, the sun, matter, life.
And I think you're absolutely right, that's it. Metyr caused the splintering from the beginning out of jealousy against the Elden Beast by wanting absolutely to counter it, and for that she created two paths to increase her chances of success, but it was the road to the gradual dissolution/corruption of the elden ring, which made the "outer gods" appear.
GG man ^^
And probably the destructive and deviant mental states like jealousy, anger, resentment, pain, are the elements that FS wanted to highlight, to signify their corrupting impact on society.
Great video, i like this view of the lore.The part after the Sun realm felt a bit random,seems like it could have been cut and made into another video.Also i noticed you didn't mention the GEQ at all.. understandable 😄
Everything is connected, the GEQ gets her own video.
This is mimic tier content brother. Another banger.
Yess, always thought Fia was Fortissax! Interesting also the concept that Ranni killing Godwyn can represent an eclipse
"Causality is a spiral"
Great quote from Pokemon: The Animated Series
20/10 job on this one brother.
Another solid video Jack!
love this! I'll watch again!
I was coming completely in defense mode, but this was really compelling.
Following 😊
I really like Elden Ring lore discussion, but sometimes it gets really meta. Like digging in summerian and Babilonian shit that we have LESS lore than Velka. 😂
Ok, I am confused at the end of your video. I followed up until the end. I don't understand what you are trying to imply at the end. Yes, it makes the most sense that Miquella gave Melina Torrent to give to us but, how does that give you the impression he lead us to the shadow lands? We were lead by grace. Messmer states that Marika chose us in some way, Leda realizes we are being guided by something other than Miquella, though she thinks it's the Erdtree, and finally, even Miquella refers to us as a warrior for the old order. He didn't guide us nor want us there. So I don't get the end of your video. It's a good video but I am confused by the end.
Watch my video “How Elden Ring Manipulated You”. Grace does not actually point to the Land of Shadow
@@JackisaMimic OK, I'll check it out.
@JackisaMimic OK, I guess you're coming back around to the end of that video? Still doesn't make any sense. The grace guiding us is Marika. I already knew that. Your video implied she's a mimic. Nowhere in any part of the game from item descriptions to cutscenes to environmental clues is this remotely alluded to. Plus, it makes more sense that when she became the vessel of the Elden Ring that she became the vessel of grace. Therefore, she IS grace. The big grace at the Rountable is her. I believe it makes more sense that after she shattered the Elden Ring that she divested herself of her soul, her GRACE, and sent it to the Roundtable hold in order to give grace back to the Tarnished. Then she guides us from there in order to finish her plan. To kill Radagon, take the ring, and stop Miquella. The god she wants dead isn't herself but Miquella. He is following her footsteps. Miquella's story is mirroring Marika's in a way. She divested Radagon to become a god. He divests St. Trina to become a god. She then used the gate of divinity after tricking the hornsent. He used the gate of divinity after tricking Leda and her group and possibly Radahn. She sees he is doing what she did and doesn't want him to suffer that fate. The reason we don't see grace when we first enter the shadow lands, at least to me, was because we went beyond the veil and by killing the first boss in the dlc we weakened the veil. A little crack for her grace to come through. Miquella as I said had no clue we were on his tail until Leda figured it out and neither suspected or even thought of Marika. Leda mentions the Erdtree and he mentions the old order. Only Messmer sees it. I think that's because she never took grace away from him. It's never mentioned that he lost it just that he was left behind with the original sin. He can see grace which means he can see her guiding us. That's why he is confused. Why us? The Tarnished? When they fought together against the hornsent the Tarnished were already cast out and stripped of grace. Why us and why now? We were guided by grace, i.e. Marika, to stop Miquella. This is further supported by Gideon after you tell him the cocoon in Mohg's possession is Miquella. He mentions that maybe the Queen's grief was warranted before changing the subject and refusing to elaborate. Also, just something interesting, Hewg mentions that smithing helps him forget the sheer terror of her. From what I've seen most people think she scared him but in context it can have a different meaning. I don't think she scared him. He saw fear IN her. It wasn't him that was terrified but HER and whatever scares a god surely will scare a smart man. He feared what he didn't know. In conclusion, from what I know in the game from items, remembrances, the environments and so on is at odds with your implication at the end which is why I am still confused. Nothing in game indicates that Miquella want to show us something or guide us there. If anything, based on Leda's actions and the rest of the group that stayed by her side, he wanted us dead and stopped before reaching him. I don't think I'm missing anything or misinterpreting anything hence why I asked for clarity. What you are saying vs what is I have found in game seems to be at odds with each other but, if I have missed something please feel free to show me. I love the lore of this game so I'm all ears.
P.S. I get that the story of Elden is influenced and inspired by Berserk and George R.R. Martin's books. Hell, he wrote the game's story but, just because the story has influences and even the same writer doesn't mean it's following the same beats. If anything it's just that writer using similar themes in a different way to convey a similar yet vastly different idea.
If you say so
Great Video Jack, I love your Lore Videos❤
This is my First Comment since the DLC came out and I want to share some Lore Findings.
First Please you have to watch all Elden Ring Cinematics/Cutscenes again. I discovered a lot of new Hidden Details.
I’m also convinced that Godfrey is not Godwyns Father and that Marika was Indeed the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Because Godwyn is Named the Prince of Death and The Beast Eye Maliketh gives to us belongs to Godwyn.
The Eternal Cities are responsible for the Swift End of the Age of Plenty. If a Whole Society is banished underground wouldn’t they try to take revenge in Form of meddling with the Erdtree Roots ? Plotting with Empyrean Ranni and creating the Fingerslaying Blade?
The Elden Beast looks like a combination of Various Creatures, that shows me it used the Shamans unique feature to merge/blend with other Life forms. Also the Scar on its Belly as if the Elden Beast plucked something out of itself, maybe Marika/Radagon just to punish her with the Crucifixion.
It’s odd that Miquella and Malenia never had a Shadowbound Beast, it’s as if only Carian Empyreans get one.
It’s as if Miquella forced Radahn not only to be his Consort but also his Shadowbound Beast.
If Gurranq is Radagons Shadow that would explain why Marika has Maliketh as her Shadow it’s because Both are the Same. It’s so obvious now. Gurranqs Quest and Radagons Hunters of Those who Live in Death have nearly the same Goal. That would mean Maliketh only came into existence after Radagon became Part of the Carian Lineage.
My Last Finding is that
Godfreys Fate would have become the same Fate Radahn went through.
Marika was supposed to be on Godfreys Back not Serosh. The Person named Godfrey First Elden Lord Godfrey is the Soul aspect while Horar Loux is the Body.
Same with Radahn and Mogh.
Marika escaped that Fate by altering the Fate of several other people and beings, plucking the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring and later Shattering it.
Love your channel man, love how you try to look at the complete narrative rather than individual stories if that makes sense.
Almost all your points link up with my thoughts, Godwyn not being confirmed as Godfrey's child has always stuck with me, with Messmer that adds to my demigod twin theory.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Godwyn always being a fish thing and the player character being a demigod, especially with the new cutscene from the lion dancer calling us progeny of the vile strumpet.
Isn’t it obvious? I think the player character is a mimic!
this enterpetation is so amazing, thank you!
The erdtree light is also the same as the divinity tower light. Wow nice find
I'm very much lost but I love your content so much. Best loretuber ever.
If you have any questions you can join the discord and I'll be happy to answer them.
This was a very cool look at the lore. Shadow of the Erdtree definitely does quite a bit to recontextualize things about the Golden Lineage. However, I do think Godwyn is of Godfrey. Aside from being Godwyn the Golden the same finger reader that cries about how he should be a martyr calls him a "scion of the golden bough." Translating into regular people talk "A member of the Golden Lineage, the lineage of Godfrey and Marika." Godfrey's Erdtree order was one that was more inclusive than the later Golden Order of Radagon. So Godwyn would be doing the most Godfrey thing by fighting the dragons and then bringing them into the fold.
I can't help but suspect that the Crucible Knights are traitor Divine Beast/Bird Warriors. The "Tree Helm" is just a disguise for their horns.
Sorry thoughts are scrambled today but I do want to know your thoughts on how the DLC handled Gold. I ask because the Crucible Knight armor and such really set a different expectation of the Crucible era. Why is the Enir Ilim yellow gold instead of Crucible Red Gold? Hornsent incantations are also decidely yellow as well. There was this big point of Red being the color of the Crucible but when you get into the Land of Shadow, the Land of the Crucibles, the natural red life and the crucible is MIA mostly. Like they forgot or something.
Another fantastic lore video that brings to much depth to moments I think frivolous. But nothing is frivolous in elden ring and the more videos people make the more we realize what a special game this is. Maybe a once in a lifetime game.
Great job. I was trying to say we had the timeline wrong for a while now lol
Not only was this an excellent video with a lot of believable theories, but I massively respect your (successful?) attempt at wrestling with perhaps the most underwhelming part of the lore, Godefroy. Now I have to watch all of your videos.
Godefroy was always the key to the lore, you just have to know which lock he fit in 😉
Merrika likely had many children but those who died were cast aside and forgotten I believe one of the churches talks about making something of yourself and if fail to do so you’ll be forgotten. So the golden lineage is likely diluted off spring of merrika, similar to the dragons seeds (bastard valerian children) from a song of ice and fire.
Interestingly having a dragon seed is seen as a blessing born from laying with the godlike valerians.
So since G.R.R Martin helped make the lore I wouldn’t be surprised if he reused this concept. So it’s not a stretch for some unnamed demigod to have numerous children some base born.
I personally have always viewed the demigod tittle as just that a tittle that can be earned and Godrick sorta proves that and nothing to do with actual blood lineage. So many of this Demigods are just other nobleman who acquired high enough status and renown to be granted the tittle of demigod by Marika and adopted as Marika's "children". Like some sort of Medieval work around to the fact that numen children are seldom born.
@@ramoraid entirely possible
i think youre ABSOLUTELY right on the timeline. marika's partners being placi, then godfrey, then radi.
One of the best and most succinct lore videos I’ve ever seen and it actually makes sense!
Yo this is your best video yet!!
Wow, I thought I new the lore but didn’t make a lot of these connections. Great vid man!
Marika imprisoned the elden beast INSIDE OF HERSELF? My mind is blown.
The ultimate Evergaol. Godhood is a prison, after all, but for who?
@@JackisaMimicThat's a huge eureka, M. Isamimic! She really took the Hornsent's divine Beast warrior culture to the extreme 🤯
Heard a great theory that Marika is THE Saint, she's a jar
Incredible work here, man.
Pretty good, missed some details on Erdtree burial but other but it doesnt mess with things too much
this is how i sound when my friend says elden ring had no story
thanks for this video! i often fail to think of how to succinctly explain how elden ring got it's hooks in me. it really is that everything does have an explanation, even if it is just out of reach enough to call everything a theory.
I loved the video but you left a lot of lore to wrap up. I hope there’s a finishing sequel!
It’s all part of the Jack is a Mimic Cinematic Lore Universe
I just realized that marika is completing the shape of the elden ring with those gold strands in the trailer for shadow of the erdtree. Those strands form the top part of the elden ring thats like a bowl and considering that we see the rest of the elden ring is inside her like we see at the end of the game, it seems to match up pretty well
Added comment, because you actually read them and are awesome: I've yet to see any lore content creator outline the rebis alchemical concept placed upon the empyreans? Marika/radagon, Ranni/renna (is that her other self? We see the soul of it placed onto her always), Miquella/st-trina...the empyreans ready to become gods seem to be rebis, perfect beings...going with the alchemy iconography in albinaurics, perfumers and even the way the golden order repressed all of that whilst still studying it to understand it well ''as a measure of control''...I think GRR Martin just put in ER a loooot of alchemy, and that isn't explored enough to dig into ER.
I may go over this briefly in the next video. GRRM had an interview at Oxford where he talks about "magic systems" in fantasy stories and then explained how he is influenced by what people believed magic to be in the real world. I think it explains why we see so much of it in the game. I am not someone who knows too much about Alchemy or its history, so I won't be doing a deep dive in it.
We have the shamans who are forced to meld flesh to reach divinity, and then the gate of divinity made from fused pillars of flesh. Marika then uses these (fresh) forced sacrifices to reach divinity, and Miqella later tries to sacrifice his own body and self to fix 'the betrayal' done by Marika.
I can't believe I never put two and two together that Fia was fortisax's human form.
Didn’t know doncic was a lore master. Nice one mate 🎉
I like your lore takes a lot
But the goddamn bayle is created by the nox theory just has no way of explaining why the nox didnt copy bayle instead of creating him with the dragonkin soldiers. Everything else makes sense
The deathroot dragon connection makes sense
But bayle being created by the nox just doesnt cause it makes more sense for bayles broken off body parts to have somehow made their way into the hands of the nox who then decided to make dragons (what is important to consider is that the nox were already banished by that point considering they knew no true sky) the timeline with this also doesnt make sense because placidusaxs reign was specifically an age before the erdtree and godfrey and the nox are descendence of the shaman and marika so way after bayles betrayal or rebellion
Take my theories together in totality. Consider the implications of what happened after Bayle fought Placidusax, that his God fled. Do you think the Nox have an interest in Placidusax’s God, whoever she may be?
@@JackisaMimicjust watched the video again
You won me over with the arcane argument
I also noticed bayle spells only have a arcane requirement while every other dragon spell has faith also( a mix of regular flesh and manmade)
Dammit ya got me XD
@@JackisaMimicbut i still dont understand what he has to do with the crucible yk with the horns and all
@@knightlightformore3298 Thats probably because bayle is an omen dragon i mean look at him he has horns all over his head that would also explain why he has flame lightning because omen have flame blood which also explains the arcane requirement
Awesome video. Definitely subscribed now
Dude just dropped the canon lore video and called it a day. This shit is goated.
That statue of marika and the 3 wolves, Radagons red wolves and radagon being called loyal hound of the golden order….something there
So basically Godwyn is the Nameless king.....I Love it.
25:49 But in the end it has to be this way!!!!
No it doesn’t have to be.
@ You don’t get the reference. It’s from the song: “It has to be this way.” (It’s a boss theme from the game Metal Gear Rising Revengence.)
@ ohhh I see sorry for my ignorance brother
@ No prob. It’s a pretty obscure game.
This feels like conspiracy theory. And I'm here for it.
Jokes aside, it's a very good video. You gave me a new perspective on the lore.
Subbed, great vid!!
The best Elden Ring lore video I've seen in a long time
What was the end of the video about exactly? What is it that miquella wants us to see?
Also was it implied marika was placi’s fled god?
A lot of really cool stuff I feel like there were things that could’ve been clearer?
10:06 pretty sure Goldwyn looks like a fish because the suppressing pillar says that all manners of death coalesce at the center of the lands between. Except the center of the lands between is currently ocean.
Damn good video. It is inspiring me to riff off of you, and drop some things I have noticed:
So is the Fell God that sun god? And did Marika, as Radagon trick GEQ to kill Fell God with Dragon Scale weaponry, and then betray her and steal the RadaGEQ children? Were they able to seduce because Radagon is a Dragon, maybe? [sidenote: Marika = I Makar, did she partake in communion?]
In traditions visualizing snakes, Kundalini, Alchemy, hippocratic, etc. we see a double helix of snakes going upward to divinity, but in Bellurat and everywhere with the hornsent other than some stone tablets of a simple tree, it is entirely or mostly a uni-directional spiral. Under Eiglee in Volcano Manor it is the opposite direction, and Farum Azula's storm is also this opposite direction. I feel this is on purpose.
Who are Godwyn's Father and Mother?
I wonder how many people read the title and went “just read the item descriptions, duh”
21:05 it is mentioned in the dlc now, check the catacombs.
I love this channel so much
My personal head cannon is that Godfroy was a soldier that was grafted to look like Godrick so Godrick could escape among the women and make it look like he never left so godefroy was like a decoy of sorts
This is accurate. He used him as a decoy and fled to Stormveil to remain in hiding. Where Morgott (Margit) acted as his first line of defense to protect his great rune.