Well I know I would say he's Stronger than Kid Buu since Janemba Outclassed SSJ3 Goku who was also *Dead* and since he's Dead he can fully use his super saiyan 3 power without repercussions to his body and he got outclassed by Janemba while when fighting Kid Buu he was on par and said he couldve killed him if he didnt let the fight drag on and then his stamina gave out so that leads me to deduce that if he was dead fighting Kid Buu as a SSJ3 he would merk him. But I still think *Janemba* is Weaker than Super Buu
that had nothing to do with it, it was because in the real world he was alive, and in the other world dead. If he was dead in the real world then he'd have the same control over it. But that's not aloud lol
Dude hell no janemba is in between kid buu and super buu kid buu is weaker than super buu buuhan is strong asf for ssj3 goku hell ssj3 goku couldn't even take on super buu
I freaking loved this villain, one of the best transformations in the entire series. The movies may have been horrifically inconsistent with the main timeline, but damn were they entertaining. I'd honestly put his power in between base form Super Buu and Buuiccolo. Seems reasonable enough.
Super Buu Gohan > Vegetto Base > Gohan and Goku Fusion > Super Buu Gotenks > Super Janemba > Mystic Gohan > Gogeta Base > Ultra Buu > Super Buu Piccolo > Super Buu
I feel like Janemba is a bit weaker than Buuhan but his superpowers and abilities lets him overpower all the buu's Then again Janemba was born from a teenage devil kid. Imagine if someone like Frieza or cell were exposed to the gas
Hes far far weaker than buuhan. Buuhan is the strongest buu and wasnt that far from vegito. It was like gohan vs super buu difference. Big difference but not a one hit ko difference
@@youtubestudiosucks978 I thought of this question 6 years ago since his transformation from fat janemba into super janemba seemed to have been a reaction to the damage he took from SSJ3 goku; so if the stardust breaker didn't literally disintegrate him you could theorize maybe he would react to the damage and transform again. Still very head cannon and I wrote it when I was 15.
@@firstname3343 yeah but super is such a middle finger to fans that it wouldnt surprise me if the next godform with ssj3 mixed in is a blue smurf sized ssj4 with white pants included
In all respect I think you guys are way off. I think there's a lot your not looking at. Goku still wasn't used to ssj3 and he said that he or Gohan could've beaten Buu who had absorbed trunks, goten, and piccolo and then goku knew he wasn't a threat so he powered down. Even though the fusion wore off he still had two super saiyans and a super nameks power plus his own and goku wasn't even concerned. The goku that fought janemba said to vegeta that he had gotten a lot stronger because he had been training in outer world the whole time he was dead. On top of that in the other world there aren't as many limitations on gokus ki, as stated by goku in the Buu saga when explaining ssj3. So the ssj3 goku that's fighting janemba is way stronger than the ssj3 goku that fought at any time in the buu saga. Another BIG thing I think your missing is(and I acknowledge and appreciate the fact that you said you don't know and that it's your opinion, which I respect) janemba not only took captive the other world but he took captive all the dimensions in creation, as spoken by goku. So I think that proves that he isn't just some strong outer world limited creature who would lose a lot of power if he went to other worlds. He is the embodiment of evil from all over or as you guys say, negative. Now that brings to mind only one villian... Omega shenron who was powered by the negative energy from the earth. Well.... Janemba "is" the negative energy from all over the universe. That'd be like comparing the earth spirit bomb to the universal spirit bomb... Last thing I'll mention, I'm glad that you guys mentioned the fact that it's a movie and things have to happen quickly because it's a movie. Your stating something great because things have to be written in a certain way. So I'll say this... Goku hitting final form janemba means nothing. Nothing at all. When in dragonball has the more powerful opponent ever just one shot the weaker foe, even though he could? Vegeta fought good against fat Buu at first, Gohan fought good against gotenks absorbed Buu, at first but in the end we know they never stood a chance. For the sake of entertainment the writers have to draw things out. Also goku is the main character, and the best individual hope against the opponent, the writers won't let him get one shot. They have to drag it out a bit. The hero has to put up a fight before falling. And fall he did. A much stronger ssj3 goku with not as limited energy with vegeta said that they stood no chance against janemba and that they'd be "slaughtered".... And he hadn't even powered up yet... And dragonball is based on reaching higher power... Janemba's is in my opinion the most underestimated villian of dragonball and I'll boldly state that I believe he is strongest they've ever fought from dbz to gt. My opinion but I respect whoever. Have a blessed day. Thanks for the vid
Wrong, this is a completely different demensional and timeline that's not related to the canon series... His feats are what u have to look at. He literally manipulated a universal sized demensional
The thing is that even if SSJ3 Goku was weaker when fighting Super Buu, he was still just as aware that it was an unwinnable fight. We only know that Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku and that Janenba is too. How much stronger is pretty hard to pinpoint. How strong Goku is isn't going to help us work out anything more than that. Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku Janenba > SSJ3 Goku Anything beyond this is just guess work. So the guys in the video are guilty of the same thing.
A lot of what is actually said in Dragonball Dub during this arc is also not true. Some of this is not true on purpose because it's from Goku's point of view. Some of it isn't true because it was added in the dub for no real reason. They aren't forgetting anything it's just most of what they aren't bringing up is flat out not canon in any way.
the part of the movie that caught me most was that janemba was ALWAYS powering up. he probably could beat super buu, if that trend continued. do keep in mind that janemba is capable of summoning clones of the people he knows, like he did with goku. he could simply materialise another super buu to fight for him. in theory janemba has unlimited strength since he can materialise and dematerialise objects and himself at will. that power is insanely strong
What I don't understand is the whole "Potara is 'stronger' than Fusion Dance" deal. What was said was that Potara is a "better" fusion. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's stronger. With Potara, you don't have to have equal power levels to fuse, which is one way it could be meant as a "better" fusion, because the dance requires equal power levels so it's limited to a multiplication of the weakest person of the two's power level. Also, the fact that Potara isn't on a time limit like the Fusion Dance can also make it "better". I haven't really looked at exactly what was said in the manga, but in the anime, both English and Japanese dub, I'm pretty sure what was said was that it was "better", not stronger, which is why it was proposed instead, to ensure that Buuhan would be beaten.
In the manga, this is what Elder Kaioshin says about the Potara: "And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion!" Since the "effect" of the Potara is fusing 2 people together, Elder Kaioshin is saying the Potara creates a greater fusion than with the dance. And, as you mentioned, lowering ki to match is another reason why a Potara fusion is superior to the dance.
Instant 1100 the thing is, that simply means it simply more effectively fuses the two. Which could mean a number of things. It could mean that's the reason it's permanent. Being permanent is much more effective than being on a time limit. And not having to power up or power down makes things easier as well, making Potara "more effective". Let's say, Goku and Vegeta had the same exact maximum power levels in Fusion Reborn and during the Buu Saga, being that they both achieved Super Saiyan 3 somehow. Now they could fuse perfectly without worrying about lost power. Then what could explain Potara being a more effective fusion aside from permanence and no need to power up? Note that this isn't an argument about Vegito being stronger or weaker than Gogeta, this is an argument about the credibility of what "more effective" really means in that statement.
Kaze Miyazaki Gotcha, I'll try to refrain from Gogeta vs Vegetto stuff. Now, while Potara being more effective by only permanence is viable, Elder Kaioshin explains the permanent part 5 pages after telling Goku that the Potara is more effective. The way I see it, he's simply telling Goku that the Potara creates a stronger fusion, and then later on warning him it's permanent, or else Elder Kaioshin would mention that "more effective" is referring to fusion time, right then and there. That also helps me explain your next point. If Goku and Vegeta were equals, then Potara would still create a more powerful fusion. One more thing to note: When SSJ Vegetto is stomping Boohan, he himself mentions that he didn't expect himself to be so powerful. That makes me believe that the Potara really does give a bigger boost if Vegetto (and by extension, Goku and Vegeta) didn't expect himself to be so powerful, despite the fact that Goku is familiar with the fusion dance.
Instant 1100 I suppose explicit references make sense. But regardless, it seems odd to me that it wasn't stated exactly how it was "more effective" than the Fusion Dance, leaving so much speculation. Obviously, the most widely accepted it that it's stronger, more powerful, but that wasn't stated precisely, so really, it's all up to the eye of the beholder how to interpret it if you ask me. Unless there's another reference you can bring up for me to clear those things up?
Kaze Miyazaki Yeah, I really do wish it was explicitly stated whether or not the Potara was stronger than Dance. There are many things in Dragon Ball that aren't exactly stated, so you need to go through implications to figure it out. As for another quote, there's one where Goku asks Elder Kaioshin whether he should go Super Saiyan before fusing with Gohan. Goku, being familiar with the fusion dance, is probably basing his assumption off of the dance, but Elder Kaioshin states that Goku doesn't need Super Saiyan, and that a base Potara fusion between Goku and Gohan will be enough to defeat Bootenks. So Goku kinda has a grasp on how powerful the Potara fusion is, yet still manages to be surprised at his strength later on when he's part of Vegetto, based on the quote I posted in the previous comment.
I'm so glad use did a redo of this last time you said janemba would do buuhan cus of his abilities which i think is completely unrealistic buuhan would smash janemba super buu + ultimate gohan (strongest non fused in z) +piccolo (makes him way smarter) + goten an trunks which might not help to much but still contributes, I even think buutenks would take him before the fusion runs out
Not really in the long term. Buuhan never had the free zenkai ability of kid buu to keep upping his stats against more powerful opponents. Suoerbuu was solely reliant on absorbing others to actually stand a chance. Kid buu has every reason to win in the long run.
It's actually stronger because when you fuse one must lower his power level to equal the other while this is not required for the potara fusion. This doesn't mean that it's several times stronger depending on who is fusing, but just stronger in general.
@Can't Think Of A Name vegito stronger I dont like either but it's because in vegeta to fuse they need even power level while in potara you dont need same power level just combine them
honestly i think hes on super buu's level because thats the strongest unfused buu not because of his fighting but because u have to take in the ffact that he was basically testing his powers and that his dimensional powers he really didnt exploit thats my reason y i think hes as strong as super buu base
hey Geekdom! huge Dragonball fan. I am a huge fans of u to. u make excellent videos and almost all of them r amazing! your Dragonball knowledge is extensive! please keep the great videos coming!
theres no oficial information about that about buuhan, i think gogeta wouldnt beat himso easly since he has 30 min limit and buuhan can regenerates maybe with ssj2....
buuhan is at least 3 times stronger than gotenks ssj3 u cant say anything about gogeta since there no information about him, the only thing we know is he can easly beat janemba, then what?
Loved the video with a lot of good points. One thing I want to point out that make me think Jenemba is at least equal to super Buu’s power is the fact Goku is dead. Meaning he isnt dealing with the stamina problems that SSJ3 has.
He was created from every soul that was died at the time. Janemba was definitely stronger than any other villian in the DBZ. That's including any form of Buu, I would go even far as to say he's on god tier
Goku was dead when fighting Janemba, this means he could use the full power of ssj3 without suffering harm, Goku inside Buu was alive and therefore could no longer use the full extent of ssj3's power without harming himself, hence why he didn't wanna fight him, so sorry that fact indicates that Anime Goku was handicapped while movie Goku was without the physical restraint of a living body, also the fact that Janemba could power up further suggests he was holding back up until Gogeta's arrival, or at least wasn't at max power, so yeah with all that Janemba is actually way stronger, and yes I believe his powers would work outside of hell, and they would definitely give him a edge over Buu's higher forms
ssj Kyto And since this happened after buu that means goku was stronger from various zenkai boost and training. Fusion reborn goku is greater than buu saga goku
Thing is... since we're talking about 'non-canon' sources like the movies... then other non-canon sources are also fair game. Xenoverse Beerus insinuates that SSJ Gogeta could possibly surpass him in power. Meaning then... that the fusion dance version of fused Goku and Vegita is stronger than the potara fused version, Vegito. Super Buu might be a bit more durable than Final Form Janemba... but I see Janemba's skillset simply putting him over the edge... Janemba >> Super Buu
Yamcha the wolf But they're both equally 'non-canon.' The movies are based on the show/manga and so are the games. That's all I'm saying. That's part of the problem with trying to compare so called 'canon' material with 'non-canon' material... especially when theres SO MUCH of it, as is the case with Dragonball Universe.
***** Yes, the movies and the video games are equally non canon. But the movies and the video games are not a part of the same canon, and thus you can´t use anything stated in video games as evidence when talking about movies.
I remember seeing Gogeta in this movie. I always thought Gogeta was more serious when compared to Vegito. Gogeta, did not mess around and didn’t waste anytime demolishing Janemba. But after watching GT, it seems they have the same personality.
+Dragon Ball Nation We can tell. Hey so Gogeta as a Super Saiyan was over kill too right, I mean since Janemba is weaker than Super Buu then really his base form should have been enough
+Dragon Ball Nation hey so I think your statement about Goku saying he wouldn't stand a chance against super buu inside of buu's body can be countered about him being stronger then goku. he said that as he was in buu's body. him being inside could have given buu a huge advantage hence why goku said that. ssj3 goku was stronger then ssj3 gotenks......and gotenks held his own.
Robert Huff Goku isn't stronger than Gotenks. That's why filler can be so bad. Goku and Vegeta did not fight Piccolo, Gohan, and Gotenks in the manga. If they did, they wouldn't have won since Gotenks is multiple times stronger than Goku and then Gohan is even stronger
+Solid Saiyan where did it ever state that? it never did. Goku would have mopped the floor with him, even ssj2 vegeta when he fought kid buu. it's just inconsistencies are so bad in dbz and power levels and bla bla bla. but yeah its never stated that Gotenks is more powerful....
I wish Goku and Vegeta had fused against Kid Buu so that it would be easier to compare Super Buu kyuushuu Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo with Majin Buu Junshui
Aytgh what is there to debate about Fat buu is slightly weaker than ssj3 goku Fat buu evil extracted around ssj2 Kid buu even with ssj3 Super buu around gotenks ssj3 Buutenks weaker than ultimate gohan Buuicollo a lot weaker than ultimate gohan Buuhan weaker than base vegeta a lot weaker than vegeto ssj
Simon Hansen Super Buu (w/ Gotenks absorbed) soundly defeated Ultimate Gohan. Fat Buu after separating into good and evil doesn't seem that much weaker. How do you explain Super Buu being stronger than the Fat Buu before his separation if he's made of the same two entities that he was? Goku said that he couldn't keep up with Kid Buu even in his SSJ3 form. So, Kid Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. There's also the fact that Kid Buu might have been simply toying with Goku and Vegeta during their fight. Also, if you re-read what Super Buu said to Ultimate Gohan, he may have been toying with SSJ3 Gotenks as well a little bit. He said that he sensed Gohan's ki in the distance, it was greater than his and he needed a plan to surpass him.
Nice video! I agree that Janemba's in between Kid Boo and Super Boo, but I'd say a bit closer to Kid Boo based on Janemba's performance against SSJ3 Goku. Of course, you did mention Janemba's power up, but it's pretty much anyone's guess how much stronger he got, or you could argue it was just Janemba flaring his aura, as many fighters have done in the past, but again, it's anyone's guess which one it is. On what you said about a hypothetical manga Gogeta being able to destroy Boohan if he wished, I do want that to be the case, but Boohan does make a statement saying a fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta won't be able to beat him, and he does have the knowledge of the fusion dance and SSJ3 from absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo, and there's really nothing to suggest "fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta" > Boohan. I do really want a manga Gogeta to be > Boohan, but there's nothing supporting that in the manga except for headcanon and made-up fusion multipliers while Boohan > "manga Gogeta" has 1 quote backing it up...
Hey big d, huge fan. I watched an episode of dbz when Goku and vegeta were fighting true buu "kid Buu" and either Goku or vegeta said that Buu was twice as strong (or stronger, one of the two) as he was "before". Now there are 2 things about that: 1. It was the English dub. 2. Is it when he fought true Buu a bit earlier, was it when they fought Buuhan, or was it when they fought Buu in his body. I personally don't think there is a real answer to "that" question unless Akira answers it himself.
+Yugamoe Yeah, that was a while ago. Regarding said video, he stated himself that he dislikes this game because it is a "pay to have a chance to win" kind of game. It is a scam and he doesn't respect that. Very unlikely that he will return.
How? How is Janemba weaker than Super Buu? If Janemba beat SSJ 3 Goku, Vegeta, and Pikkon, and Kid Buu died from SSJ 3 Goku, than obviously Janemba is stronger.
Stronger than Kid Boo for sure, and weaker than Base Super Boo for sure. Goku was still able to at least hang around with Super Janemba, until the latter pulled out his reality warped sword. Anything equal to or above Bootenks should be able to defeat Super Janemba as easily as Gogeta did. If I were to make a guess, I would say around the level of SSjin 2 Gotenks. SSjin 3 Gotenks >= *Base Super Boo* >> SSjin 2 Gotenks ~ *Super Janemba* >> SSjin Gotenks ( Post RoSaT ) > *SSjin 3 Son Goku ( Boo Arc )* >= Kid Boo >> SSjin 2 Vegeta ( Boo Arc )
I know I'm kinda late to the party, and you might have addressed this before, but you mentioned the movie villains are sort of supposed to be templates for the main series villains (or the other way around). That's pretty interesting, cause they are indeed similar. Have you ever discussed about this before? It's a cool topic.
Janemba I think is around super buu strength it's his moves that gave him the edge so if his powers worked on earth then I bet he would be able to hold super buu for a while but he would be no chance for buuhan
I am suprised that you didn't do this video a few months ago. I have a question: why was it that the characters in pre-saiyan arc (Dragon Ball) were so unique and equipped with such unorthadox fighting methods/powers? For example, Boss Rabbit, Tao and his tongue death move or the Devil Beam thing.
I don't think that part mattered. The ooze that made him just needed a physical form. Also since Goku is about as good as good gets it would only make things worse for Janemba since he's like sin made physical. Even Vegeta would probably have made him weaker since he had just died after being possessed and was probably done with that business.
Hey Josh, have you ever considered that Goku only refused to fight Super Buu because he knew he'd need SS3 to beat him, and would have to reveal it to Vegeta. I personally believe he was trying to avoid conflict with Vegeta there, plus the fact that SS3 would still be a challenge to beat Super Buu. Fusion was more of a guarantee.
Have you guys forgotten that Super Buu literally screamed a hole through space-time when he was in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? He did have the power to affect the dimensions, just nowhere near the scale of Janemba
You mention the video discussing which form of buu is the strongest, and how the anime makes Kid Buu seem the strongest, which got me thinking. I was introduced to the series when I was 16 (through TFS) which prompted me to watch the anime. I NEVER thought the anime was implying Kid Buu was the strongest, because with a little thought you can see that SSJ3 Goku roughly equals Kid Buu, SSJ3 Goku
+Serghei Lefter there aren't any official formulas to determine the strength of fusion, whether fusion dance or potara since all we officially got were vague descriptions.
You can't conclude who's stronger between Super Janemba and Super Buu based solely on that. For all you know it could be like this Vegito>Gogeta>Janemba>Buu ...get it?
In raw power. only in range of SSJ3 Goku, like Kid Boo. He was shown to be at the slight disadvantage in hand to hand combat against SSJ3 Goku. It was his special techniques that allowed him to overtake SSJ3 Goku, not his raw power.
Alex Cousins because this happened after the buu saga which means goku had been training and he also got zenkai boost. Therefore FR goku is tougher than buu goku.
You guys forgot to mention that janemba’s weakness is being insulted. That’s how piccon almost beat him and buu most likely would have insulted janemba and realized that was his weakness
Gogeta seems to be their "oh shit we have to end this fast" solution. Pretty sure it's stated somewhere in the build up to Super Broly that Gogeta is just an overwhelmingly strong fighter and his best use is to beat an opponent before they can adapt to the new fighter. Kind of checks out when you consider the fact that gogeta has never gotten the "hero beat down" that every arc has just before said hero goes ham. Gogeta is full ham right out the gate
I like your point about the movie villains being based on other villains in the story, I hadn't considered that before. On that note, Buu seemed to have dimensional powers, but only when he completely lost his composure. Unlike Janemba, who seemed to have greater levels of control with it. Personally, I think Super Buu(Buuhan) is slightly more powerful, but Janemba's level of technique covers the gap... so equals.
Brandon, DBZ movies try kinda mimic the canon story. Cooler is like Freeza and not because they are related (if we believe in the non-canon story) but he's exactly the same kind of a villain (an evil galactic emperor). Janemba is exactly like Majin Buu. A demonic, magical being who even goes from being a big, round, childish creature to being a serious demon with exactly the same set of crazy abilites including body manipulation and some magic tricks. He even can go one step beyond by having the ability to wrap reality or to create these dimensional pocket portals or whatever you wanna call them. The biggest problem is with Cell's movie counterpart. I would say the movie with Bojack share similar sequences with Cell Arc (Bojack crushing Gohan, Goku helping Gohan from the afterlife and finally Gohan transforming into SSJ2), however when it comes to the villan design itself Super Android 13 is more like Cell cuz he needed to absorb the neuroprocessors of the two other cyborgs to became integrated like Cell had to do with 17 and 18 in his arc. Now, the power comparison is the hard part. Cooler in his fifth transformation is definitely stronger then Freeza although he ends up being defeated by Goku SSJ. It doesn't make any sense though because Goku tells Cooler at one point that he looks like Freeza which explains to us the events of this movie take place after the Freeza saga and yet Goku in that movie is not aware of SSJ transformation until the very end of the movie when he taps into this form for the first time.. So either it's an inexplicable gap or Goku defeated Freeza in his base form in the non-canon DBZ universe. Super Janemba is on a par with either Buutenks or Buuhan cuz Goku SSJ3 was no match for him and they had to fuse to destroy him.
Your 100% correct Dragon Ball Nation, because in Fusion Reborn Vegeta was dead and dead people in Other World have their power levels cut in half so it made Gogeta even weaker then Vegito by 25% , and Gogeta would tear Super Buu a ass hole with the StarDust Breaker Technique.
Kidbuu's lack of any empathy and particular goal is what made him the most dangerous. It's not a coincidence Toriama made him the last villain of thee entire series. The influence of the Z fighters inside Buu is what actually slowed superbuu, the ultimate destructive and unrelentingly evil villain of all will always be Kidbuu in my opinion which makes him most dangerous with his power
You guys give an excellent point with janemba being equal to super Buu. Goku didn't stand much of a chance of final form janemba but I'd like to point out that Goku was confident about fighting super Buu piccolo-absorbed when the buutenks fusion timed out. So would that mean that janemba is equal to buutenks?
4:40 I'm glad you talked about run time. I thought I was the only one that knew about this. This is why I think Broly is so overrated. The only reason he beat the super sayians quickly is because he had limited time to do so. Just like Bojack. This is why I don't think Broly is strong er then Cell and no way in hell stronger then buu.
Apparently due to movie placement, you would think he isnt since it's around the same time goku is alive and vegeta and trunks turns ssj. But at the same time, your bugging out. The power of the Legendary Super Saiyin is a Saiyan with unnatural immense Ki that continues to explode and increase drastically over time. Now we havent really seen a ssj2 fight broly so one may see it as a weaker than that.....but brolys power far exceeds that of cells. Now if cell trained, he would experience that large power leap like frieza did to get golden form but since he was too arrogant, he relied on his own modern strength plus his 1 zenkai boost and still lost. I dont think broly had gotten a Zenkai boost in the time we seen him but......hes broly
Janemba is my fav villain I may be wrong here but didnt Janemba mop the floor with ssj3 goku? I think hes on par with Super Buu Also i dont think his abilities stop if he left hell awesome video Geekdom this is just my opinion
I have a dream that someone like you will appear in the Latin America's DB community. So much clickbait, false info, unfounded speculation (the theory of Black being future Goten and GT being universe 6 came from there). God, we need Geekdom.
Two points I want to raise: 1. Jenemba was taking a beating from Goku (Goku was landing successful punches and kicks) but was able to defeat Goku by manipulating / cheating the law of physics. 2. Gogeta does not have the ability or power to manipulating / cheating the law of physics, but his strength along is enough to defeat Jenemba with ease. Meaning, if pure strength is strong enough, who cares about those fancy abilities.
Definitely stronger than Kid Buu. His abilities make him a handful, and right off the bat he's learning new things (Sword, portals, etc.). With time to improve, I always liked to think he could have been the strongest thing we've ever seen in DBZ.
I do think that I kind of agree with you... In terms of power I believe Evil Boo with kick Janemba's ass, but Janemba's abilities are something to behold and they could (and in my opinion would) have a huge impact on a fight between the two and lead Janemba to a victory!
Bro. When you get annoyed with people who talk like, but don’t actually know about DBZ it’s hilarious. Watch the fucking show again!! Lol. Great vid guys, keep up the great worl
may I intervene at about mid vid when you guys screamed about the Gogeta VS Vegito argument,shall I *explain*? Vegito could easily wipeout Gogeta because of one factor. Time. Gogeta *HAS* to be that powerful due to having such limited time to fight depending on the strength of those fusing. Vegito is different,Goku and Vegeta could fuse in SSGSS and stay in that form as long as they have the potara earings. If they fused while in SSGSS into Gogeta,the fusion would have such a short time limit due to them being so strong,and you also have to factor in the strength of the two. To fuse,the two fusers must be of equal strength for it to work *AND* must be in perfect sync. When it comes down to it,it's Potara VS Traditional Fusion Technique. Potara can fuse at any power level and can be permanent. If the two were to fight,all Potara would have to do is outlast the time limit and boom,Potara wins. But in sheer power,Gogeta WOULD be stronger due that small moment,if you were to draw it out carefully,and imagine that movie as a series of episodes,Gogeta would win in sheer power,but would have to win in that time limit. Even though not canon,Gogeta even if drawn out would win the sheer power factor. But as a strategic choice between Potara or Traditional,Potara would win due to being able to fuse quicker and not worry about a time limit. Yet,their fighting styles as shown in DBXV2 has shown a power gap. Vegito is more of lot of quick punches or one shot move to do damage,but Gogeta's move known as soul punisher,can be viewed as more powerful due to it literally attacking negativity and turning it against the combatant. In GT if Gogeta had used that move,it would've ended Omega Shenron due to him being MADE FROM NEGATIVITY just like another villain we know...hmmm...who could that be? oh yah,JANEMBA. BUT due to Vegito not being a negative factor,Gogeta wouldn't win that fight,yes Gogeta possesses a LOT of power with that move,but it depends on the combatant. As we saw Soul Punisher got rid of Janemba(negativity) and left only the worker unlike Vegito who would end up killing Janemba AND the worker. If Gogeta fought Goku Black....the outcome is unknown,I mean,you could say he could turn all negative energy Goku Black possesses against him...but idk. I want to hear you guys opinion on my little comment.
Janemba is the easiest non-canon villain to turn into a canon villain. Broly became canon in Dragon Ball Super: Broly so same could happen to other popular movie villains. And seeing Janemba as an insanely powerful reality-warping multiversal threat would make perfect sense now that Goku's powerful enough to rival and even surpass some gods.
Janemba Is stronger than Radits but weaker than Whis. That's my educated theory.
nah man I think Mercenary Tao is stronger
+Ash Nanananana, Boss Rabbit > King of All.
Boss Rabbit > Akira Toriyama himself.
He can't re-write him if Toriyama is a carrot.
Lui Kao Plot twist: Boss Rabbit is the friend Goku introduces to the Omni King. After one handshake he becomes the King of All.
Damn, no-one fuck with the big boss now.
I wonder if the carrots actually taste like carrots...?
Lmao best theory ever.
Janemba is the most dangerous character in dbz because he can turn into lego blocks, so physical contact wouldn't only hurt you.
Rusty Shackelford He turns in to Lego,then falls on the floor and you step on him you instantly die.
I thought he was the jelly bean villain
Lol wtf
Walking would hurt if u step on him
@@YuyuHakurei all fun an games until you realize those jelly beans are crushed dimensions
Well I know I would say he's Stronger than Kid Buu since Janemba Outclassed SSJ3 Goku who was also *Dead* and since he's Dead he can fully use his super saiyan 3 power without repercussions to his body and he got outclassed by Janemba while when fighting Kid Buu he was on par and said he couldve killed him if he didnt let the fight drag on and then his stamina gave out so that leads me to deduce that if he was dead fighting Kid Buu as a SSJ3 he would merk him. But I still think *Janemba* is Weaker than Super Buu
you're new video is great thanls
+Finnex GameTime thanks
I agree
+David Lightning Buutenks and above defiantly was.
+David Lightning goku saying he could've killed kid buu but saying he's no match for super buu says otherwise
Strong enough to get into DragonBall FighterZ
Goku can't beat him one on one
Quanthethug 321 he can in base now
Videl is in that game too and barely uses gohan at all. xD
You say it like you need to be strong to be in Dragon Ball FighterZ
*cof cof* videl *cof cof*
@@briansantos5806 she had a super saiyan womb..... I say she strong
If he can kill Yamcha, *he's strong*
the whole dbz universe is considered strong then lol
@@bstaxxalot ofc it is wtf HAHAHAHHA
A slight breeze could kill Yamcha
You say that but Yamcha is definitely stronger than perfect cell in super, which is strong enough to solo most worlds in fiction. XD
@@YuyuHakurei no hes not
I don't really see why Janemba's powers would be limited to just the otherworld
well, goku found his body easier to use in other world and in the real world it took more effort to go ss3.
that had nothing to do with it, it was because in the real world he was alive, and in the other world dead. If he was dead in the real world then he'd have the same control over it. But that's not aloud lol
GGMANIAC you both just said the same thing because the living aren't allowed in otherworld
Matthew Smith these two r fukn idiots
Matthew Smith doesn’t make sense tbh
Weaker than Gogeta. Somewhere between Buutenks & Buuhan. But Immensely stronger than Kid Buu.
Dude hell no janemba is in between kid buu and super buu kid buu is weaker than super buu buuhan is strong asf for ssj3 goku hell ssj3 goku couldn't even take on super buu
But isn't kid buu stronger than buuhan and buutenks
+Petar K bro no.. Ssj3 goku could've took out kid buu if he tried as where ssj3 prob couldn't even land a finger on buuhan or buutenks
he's around base super buu
Doesn't matter honestly, they needed to Fuse.
I freaking loved this villain, one of the best transformations in the entire series. The movies may have been horrifically inconsistent with the main timeline, but damn were they entertaining.
I'd honestly put his power in between base form Super Buu and Buuiccolo. Seems reasonable enough.
Super Buu Gohan > Vegetto Base > Gohan and Goku Fusion > Super Buu Gotenks > Super Janemba > Mystic Gohan > Gogeta Base > Ultra Buu > Super Buu Piccolo > Super Buu
I feel like Janemba is a bit weaker than Buuhan but his superpowers and abilities lets him overpower all the buu's
Then again Janemba was born from a teenage devil kid.
Imagine if someone like Frieza or cell were exposed to the gas
Mr Lakiro imagine if Cell absorbed Jenemba
I'm Too Stoned To Come Up With a Username Imagine if Buuhan absorbed Cellnemba.
Hes far far weaker than buuhan. Buuhan is the strongest buu and wasnt that far from vegito. It was like gohan vs super buu difference. Big difference but not a one hit ko difference
Am I the only who thinks cooler is cooler than freeza?
@@blank2736 Friezas brother looks cooler imo
According to DB xenoverse 2 he is weaker than Brendan Fraser’s base form
@@markgregorymullen7100 Wha?
Damn I've really missed these kinda videos. Am I the only one?
No sir. You are not alone.
I fell in love with the hour long q and a s. I would watch all of them and have so much fun!
Lui Kao yrah those are so entertaining and fun to watch I love them too
Nothing like walking home from school listening to these videos
Jesus-is LORD yeah let hope he doesnt see this:)
if janemba wasn't killed by stardust breaker would he have transformed again?
Yeah, he's turn into a hybrid of a smurf and ssj4 because why not
@@youtubestudiosucks978 I thought of this question 6 years ago since his transformation from fat janemba into super janemba seemed to have been a reaction to the damage he took from SSJ3 goku; so if the stardust breaker didn't literally disintegrate him you could theorize maybe he would react to the damage and transform again. Still very head cannon and I wrote it when I was 15.
@@firstname3343 yeah but super is such a middle finger to fans that it wouldnt surprise me if the next godform with ssj3 mixed in is a blue smurf sized ssj4 with white pants included
In all respect I think you guys are way off. I think there's a lot your not looking at. Goku still wasn't used to ssj3 and he said that he or Gohan could've beaten Buu who had absorbed trunks, goten, and piccolo and then goku knew he wasn't a threat so he powered down. Even though the fusion wore off he still had two super saiyans and a super nameks power plus his own and goku wasn't even concerned.
The goku that fought janemba said to vegeta that he had gotten a lot stronger because he had been training in outer world the whole time he was dead. On top of that in the other world there aren't as many limitations on gokus ki, as stated by goku in the Buu saga when explaining ssj3. So the ssj3 goku that's fighting janemba is way stronger than the ssj3 goku that fought at any time in the buu saga.
Another BIG thing I think your missing is(and I acknowledge and appreciate the fact that you said you don't know and that it's your opinion, which I respect) janemba not only took captive the other world but he took captive all the dimensions in creation, as spoken by goku. So I think that proves that he isn't just some strong outer world limited creature who would lose a lot of power if he went to other worlds. He is the embodiment of evil from all over or as you guys say, negative.
Now that brings to mind only one villian... Omega shenron who was powered by the negative energy from the earth. Well.... Janemba "is" the negative energy from all over the universe. That'd be like comparing the earth spirit bomb to the universal spirit bomb...
Last thing I'll mention, I'm glad that you guys mentioned the fact that it's a movie and things have to happen quickly because it's a movie. Your stating something great because things have to be written in a certain way. So I'll say this... Goku hitting final form janemba means nothing. Nothing at all. When in dragonball has the more powerful opponent ever just one shot the weaker foe, even though he could?
Vegeta fought good against fat Buu at first, Gohan fought good against gotenks absorbed Buu, at first but in the end we know they never stood a chance. For the sake of entertainment the writers have to draw things out. Also goku is the main character, and the best individual hope against the opponent, the writers won't let him get one shot. They have to drag it out a bit. The hero has to put up a fight before falling. And fall he did.
A much stronger ssj3 goku with not as limited energy with vegeta said that they stood no chance against janemba and that they'd be "slaughtered".... And he hadn't even powered up yet... And dragonball is based on reaching higher power...
Janemba's is in my opinion the most underestimated villian of dragonball and I'll boldly state that I believe he is strongest they've ever fought from dbz to gt. My opinion but I respect whoever. Have a blessed day. Thanks for the vid
Michael Blalock I know this is late but no way in hell could ssj3 beat buutenks.
Wrong, this is a completely different demensional and timeline that's not related to the canon series... His feats are what u have to look at. He literally manipulated a universal sized demensional
The thing is that even if SSJ3 Goku was weaker when fighting Super Buu, he was still just as aware that it was an unwinnable fight. We only know that Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku and that Janenba is too. How much stronger is pretty hard to pinpoint. How strong Goku is isn't going to help us work out anything more than that.
Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku
Janenba > SSJ3 Goku
Anything beyond this is just guess work. So the guys in the video are guilty of the same thing.
A lot of what is actually said in Dragonball Dub during this arc is also not true. Some of this is not true on purpose because it's from Goku's point of view. Some of it isn't true because it was added in the dub for no real reason.
They aren't forgetting anything it's just most of what they aren't bringing up is flat out not canon in any way.
the part of the movie that caught me most was that janemba was ALWAYS powering up. he probably could beat super buu, if that trend continued. do keep in mind that janemba is capable of summoning clones of the people he knows, like he did with goku. he could simply materialise another super buu to fight for him. in theory janemba has unlimited strength since he can materialise and dematerialise objects and himself at will. that power is insanely strong
imagine stepping on a janemba lego block barefooted.....
What I don't understand is the whole "Potara is 'stronger' than Fusion Dance" deal. What was said was that Potara is a "better" fusion. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's stronger. With Potara, you don't have to have equal power levels to fuse, which is one way it could be meant as a "better" fusion, because the dance requires equal power levels so it's limited to a multiplication of the weakest person of the two's power level. Also, the fact that Potara isn't on a time limit like the Fusion Dance can also make it "better". I haven't really looked at exactly what was said in the manga, but in the anime, both English and Japanese dub, I'm pretty sure what was said was that it was "better", not stronger, which is why it was proposed instead, to ensure that Buuhan would be beaten.
In the manga, this is what Elder Kaioshin says about the Potara: "And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion!" Since the "effect" of the Potara is fusing 2 people together, Elder Kaioshin is saying the Potara creates a greater fusion than with the dance. And, as you mentioned, lowering ki to match is another reason why a Potara fusion is superior to the dance.
Instant 1100 the thing is, that simply means it simply more effectively fuses the two. Which could mean a number of things. It could mean that's the reason it's permanent. Being permanent is much more effective than being on a time limit. And not having to power up or power down makes things easier as well, making Potara "more effective". Let's say, Goku and Vegeta had the same exact maximum power levels in Fusion Reborn and during the Buu Saga, being that they both achieved Super Saiyan 3 somehow. Now they could fuse perfectly without worrying about lost power. Then what could explain Potara being a more effective fusion aside from permanence and no need to power up?
Note that this isn't an argument about Vegito being stronger or weaker than Gogeta, this is an argument about the credibility of what "more effective" really means in that statement.
Kaze Miyazaki Gotcha, I'll try to refrain from Gogeta vs Vegetto stuff. Now, while Potara being more effective by only permanence is viable, Elder Kaioshin explains the permanent part 5 pages after telling Goku that the Potara is more effective. The way I see it, he's simply telling Goku that the Potara creates a stronger fusion, and then later on warning him it's permanent, or else Elder Kaioshin would mention that "more effective" is referring to fusion time, right then and there. That also helps me explain your next point. If Goku and Vegeta were equals, then Potara would still create a more powerful fusion.
One more thing to note: When SSJ Vegetto is stomping Boohan, he himself mentions that he didn't expect himself to be so powerful. That makes me believe that the Potara really does give a bigger boost if Vegetto (and by extension, Goku and Vegeta) didn't expect himself to be so powerful, despite the fact that Goku is familiar with the fusion dance.
Instant 1100 I suppose explicit references make sense. But regardless, it seems odd to me that it wasn't stated exactly how it was "more effective" than the Fusion Dance, leaving so much speculation. Obviously, the most widely accepted it that it's stronger, more powerful, but that wasn't stated precisely, so really, it's all up to the eye of the beholder how to interpret it if you ask me.
Unless there's another reference you can bring up for me to clear those things up?
Kaze Miyazaki Yeah, I really do wish it was explicitly stated whether or not the Potara was stronger than Dance. There are many things in Dragon Ball that aren't exactly stated, so you need to go through implications to figure it out.
As for another quote, there's one where Goku asks Elder Kaioshin whether he should go Super Saiyan before fusing with Gohan. Goku, being familiar with the fusion dance, is probably basing his assumption off of the dance, but Elder Kaioshin states that Goku doesn't need Super Saiyan, and that a base Potara fusion between Goku and Gohan will be enough to defeat Bootenks. So Goku kinda has a grasp on how powerful the Potara fusion is, yet still manages to be surprised at his strength later on when he's part of Vegetto, based on the quote I posted in the previous comment.
My favorite DB movie villain
He's pretty sexy!
+Lui Kao I'd bang him in both his forms lmao
+Lui Kao wtf......
+Shadow Wolf753 wtf...
:D
the real question is how strong is janembuu?
+Jesus-is LORD huh
+Jesus-is LORD probably
+Bung 3665 you got the name wrong it's Buuemba
None of you are right. It's buuba.
lol I like this one XD
Yup, totally agree with you guys here. Great discussion!
Was Janemba Wasted? I did a video with Mike from LSM talking about it:
ruclips.net/video/vfiTJP66EXQ/видео.html
Make a video episode 58 spoilers its out!
Who the fuck is janemba ?
0:36 sorry geekdom but no movie villain is cooler than COOLER
I'm so glad use did a redo of this last time you said janemba would do buuhan cus of his abilities which i think is completely unrealistic buuhan would smash janemba super buu + ultimate gohan (strongest non fused in z) +piccolo (makes him way smarter) + goten an trunks which might not help to much but still contributes, I even think buutenks would take him before the fusion runs out
what about broly?
This was uploaded a day before my birthday, almost 3 years ago
Happy belated
buuhan is the only form of buu that can beat jenemba
Not really in the long term. Buuhan never had the free zenkai ability of kid buu to keep upping his stats against more powerful opponents. Suoerbuu was solely reliant on absorbing others to actually stand a chance.
Kid buu has every reason to win in the long run.
jenemba and cooler are awesome!we need them back! pikkon too!
I know vegito is stronger but Gogeta is such a bad ass 👌🏾
It's actually stronger because when you fuse one must lower his power level to equal the other while this is not required for the potara fusion. This doesn't mean that it's several times stronger depending on who is fusing, but just stronger in general.
it's been stated it the perfect fusion. so it said he's stronger
Michael Carter nah they're equal
@Can't Think Of A Name vegito stronger I dont like either but it's because in vegeta to fuse they need even power level while in potara you dont need same power level just combine them
MrHurdleking24 nope it’s stated that they are both equal
I feel like he's somewhere between Kid Buu and Super Buu. That's just my opinion.
And Josh says the same thing. Nice. Lol
honestly i think hes on super buu's level because thats the strongest unfused buu not because of his fighting but because u have to take in the ffact that he was basically testing his powers and that his dimensional powers he really didnt exploit thats my reason y i think hes as strong as super buu base
+Limitless super buu was technically a fused buu bc he had fat buu in him just like how he had Gohan or gotenks or piccolo in him
+Robert Epps trye but basically its just a buu tho n technically they were the same being.. idk lol but yea
Limitless fat buu has the fat Kai in him. not the same buu. super buu is evil buu with fat buu in him.
Another great video boss. 10/10
Janemba is powerful than buu janemba was able to warp reality hell and heaven that’s crazy
hey Geekdom! huge Dragonball fan. I am a huge fans of u to. u make excellent videos and almost all of them r amazing! your Dragonball knowledge is extensive! please keep the great videos coming!
base gogeta > super janemba, ssj gogeta would destroy buuhan also :)
there is no base gogeta
theres no oficial information about that
about buuhan, i think gogeta wouldnt beat himso easly since he has 30 min limit and buuhan can regenerates
maybe with ssj2....
+Mr. Wuang lol I can't believe people think this buuhan is only 2 and a bit times stronger than ssj3 gotenks. Gogeta ssj is easily 15-20x buuhan.
buuhan is at least 3 times stronger than gotenks ssj3
u cant say anything about gogeta since there no information about him, the only thing we know is he can easly beat janemba, then what?
im not saiyng gogeta couldnt, but .....
Loved the video with a lot of good points. One thing I want to point out that make me think Jenemba is at least equal to super Buu’s power is the fact Goku is dead. Meaning he isnt dealing with the stamina problems that SSJ3 has.
I'd love a S.H Figuarts of Janemba with his sword
I missed Perfect Cell and Frieza so that one would be a must buy for me.
YES!
I want a Gogeta too
Oh god yes!
i need a resin of him
I go back to this video purely for the back and forth between my two favorite content creators in the community
i thought i was the only who loved janemba, high five geekdom
He not that great
Ooooooooooh yassss I've been prepping for dis since the uub video
Would kill for him to be canon. Perhaps as the Demon Realm's version of a God of Destruction
I'd love a rebute, where janemba was the dark force that killed jiren's family. And this time goku and jiren have to team up to defeat him
He is canon
Lol you guys are really brainwashed by dumb fans
@@shiningmissingno.8788 jiren would be dead in a second vs Janemba lol
@@TheSupernr17 what are you talking about? he isn’t cannon
@@shlongsucker3164 he isnt because DB hasnt any canon. Read some official sources instead of bullshit wiki Fan meanings.
Thanks for your work Geekdom and Josh!
so Janemba is the living embodiment of negativity but gets harmed when receives negativity from others. -the fuck?
raj flora shouldnt that makes him stronger
the are hitting him with good intentions, it is technically not negativity
Great vid!
Well we know he's surely more powerful than LSSJ Broli. Even in his fat form.
Yea, but only in your head bro....
+smithcubs What do you mean? Broli became a joke when Boo saga was a thing. That's not in my head. That's a proven fact.
Dabura would wipe the floor with broly
you drunk, dabura is much weaker than broly. broly could one shot anyone in the cell saga and could handle easily the gohan that fought dabura
Drew Millz Movie 10 Broli would. Movie 8 Broli is a whole different story where even Hatchiyak is stronger.
Yay actually interesting videos are back!
So since janemba is the pure embodiment of evil if buu absorbed him would he just transform into to kid but instantly?
Great video Big D
He was created from every soul that was died at the time. Janemba was definitely stronger than any other villian in the DBZ. That's including any form of Buu, I would go even far as to say he's on god tier
Much stronger. God Tier is weak as fuck and made everybody making fun about shitts dbs
This is awesome man ! ALWAYS LOVED THIS MOVIE
Goku was dead when fighting Janemba, this means he could use the full power of ssj3 without suffering harm, Goku inside Buu was alive and therefore could no longer use the full extent of ssj3's power without harming himself, hence why he didn't wanna fight him, so sorry that fact indicates that Anime Goku was handicapped while movie Goku was without the physical restraint of a living body, also the fact that Janemba could power up further suggests he was holding back up until Gogeta's arrival, or at least wasn't at max power, so yeah with all that Janemba is actually way stronger, and yes I believe his powers would work outside of hell, and they would definitely give him a edge over Buu's higher forms
ssj Kyto And since this happened after buu that means goku was stronger from various zenkai boost and training. Fusion reborn goku is greater than buu saga goku
I know I’m late but does Janemba show any signs of any form of regeneration?
You guys mashes some really good points and u have to agree
Thing is... since we're talking about 'non-canon' sources like the movies... then other non-canon sources are also fair game. Xenoverse Beerus insinuates that SSJ Gogeta could possibly surpass him in power. Meaning then... that the fusion dance version of fused Goku and Vegita is stronger than the potara fused version, Vegito.
Super Buu might be a bit more durable than Final Form Janemba... but I see Janemba's skillset simply putting him over the edge... Janemba >> Super Buu
SSJ Gogeta isn't even in the game
There's only SSJ4 Gogeta
The movies are based on the show, not video games. You can't use anything stated in video games as an argument even when you're talking about movies.
Yamcha the wolf
But they're both equally 'non-canon.' The movies are based on the show/manga and so are the games. That's all I'm saying. That's part of the problem with trying to compare so called 'canon' material with 'non-canon' material... especially when theres SO MUCH of it, as is the case with Dragonball Universe.
***** Yes, the movies and the video games are equally non canon. But the movies and the video games are not a part of the same canon, and thus you can´t use anything stated in video games as evidence when talking about movies.
I remember seeing Gogeta in this movie. I always thought Gogeta was more serious when compared to Vegito. Gogeta, did not mess around and didn’t waste anytime demolishing Janemba. But after watching GT, it seems they have the same personality.
who else felt that great chemistry big d and josh had? love when they collab same with others
its because we're really good friends lol
+Dragon Ball Nation We can tell. Hey so Gogeta as a Super Saiyan was over kill too right, I mean since Janemba is weaker than Super Buu then really his base form should have been enough
+Dragon Ball Nation hey so I think your statement about Goku saying he wouldn't stand a chance against super buu inside of buu's body can be countered about him being stronger then goku. he said that as he was in buu's body. him being inside could have given buu a huge advantage hence why goku said that. ssj3 goku was stronger then ssj3 gotenks......and gotenks held his own.
Robert Huff Goku isn't stronger than Gotenks. That's why filler can be so bad. Goku and Vegeta did not fight Piccolo, Gohan, and Gotenks in the manga. If they did, they wouldn't have won since Gotenks is multiple times stronger than Goku and then Gohan is even stronger
+Solid Saiyan where did it ever state that? it never did. Goku would have mopped the floor with him, even ssj2 vegeta when he fought kid buu. it's just inconsistencies are so bad in dbz and power levels and bla bla bla. but yeah its never stated that Gotenks is more powerful....
this honestly feels like im listening to a radio show on my way to work , which i really love
I wish Goku and Vegeta had fused against Kid Buu so that it would be easier to compare Super Buu kyuushuu Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo with Majin Buu Junshui
but kid buu is nowhere super buu's strengh he would be killed in a matter of seconds
Simon Hansen At least then we wouldn't be having the debate about which version of Buu is the strongest
Aytgh what is there to debate about
Fat buu is slightly weaker than ssj3 goku
Fat buu evil extracted around ssj2
Kid buu even with ssj3
Super buu around gotenks ssj3
Buutenks weaker than ultimate gohan
Buuicollo a lot weaker than ultimate gohan
Buuhan weaker than base vegeta a lot weaker than vegeto ssj
Simon Hansen Super Buu (w/ Gotenks absorbed) soundly defeated Ultimate Gohan. Fat Buu after separating into good and evil doesn't seem that much weaker. How do you explain Super Buu being stronger than the Fat Buu before his separation if he's made of the same two entities that he was?
Goku said that he couldn't keep up with Kid Buu even in his SSJ3 form. So, Kid Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. There's also the fact that Kid Buu might have been simply toying with Goku and Vegeta during their fight. Also, if you re-read what Super Buu said to Ultimate Gohan, he may have been toying with SSJ3 Gotenks as well a little bit. He said that he sensed Gohan's ki in the distance, it was greater than his and he needed a plan to surpass him.
Simon Hansen I think the Kid Buu that killed all those Supreme Kais was a lot weaker than the Kid Buu that Goku and Vegeta fought
Nice video! I agree that Janemba's in between Kid Boo and Super Boo, but I'd say a bit closer to Kid Boo based on Janemba's performance against SSJ3 Goku. Of course, you did mention Janemba's power up, but it's pretty much anyone's guess how much stronger he got, or you could argue it was just Janemba flaring his aura, as many fighters have done in the past, but again, it's anyone's guess which one it is. On what you said about a hypothetical manga Gogeta being able to destroy Boohan if he wished, I do want that to be the case, but Boohan does make a statement saying a fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta won't be able to beat him, and he does have the knowledge of the fusion dance and SSJ3 from absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo, and there's really nothing to suggest "fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta" > Boohan. I do really want a manga Gogeta to be > Boohan, but there's nothing supporting that in the manga except for headcanon and made-up fusion multipliers while Boohan > "manga Gogeta" has 1 quote backing it up...
Stronger than my love for croquettas. Weaker than my love for pastelitos de guava. ~_~
+Majin Sole I actually love the first more than the second
+Geekdom101 croquettas are nasty, mush pork deep fried? no thanks
Geekdom101
I love my sweets just a little bit more. Don't get me started on flan and tres leches...
~_~
FnafProAuvi
That's pretty strong...
~_~
*****
Take it back...TAKE IT BACK!!! Lol! So what would you list in that category, my friend? Just curious...
~_~
Hey big d, huge fan. I watched an episode of dbz when Goku and vegeta were fighting true buu "kid Buu" and either Goku or vegeta said that Buu was twice as strong (or stronger, one of the two) as he was "before". Now there are 2 things about that: 1. It was the English dub. 2. Is it when he fought true Buu a bit earlier, was it when they fought Buuhan, or was it when they fought Buu in his body. I personally don't think there is a real answer to "that" question unless Akira answers it himself.
Janemba the one guy I can't pull in Dokkan battle, have u pulled him geeekdom ?
+Unlucky Benny he did do a vid on Dokkan like 1-2 months ago
+Yugamoe Yeah, that was a while ago. Regarding said video, he stated himself that he dislikes this game because it is a "pay to have a chance to win" kind of game. It is a scam and he doesn't respect that. Very unlikely that he will return.
love the video. I like that you never give us bullshit
janemba 1 of my fav characters put him against hit or pikkon lol
The last image seems to have an animation error - left arm delivering a right handed punch ?
No that’s his left hand it’s just turned around
@@adrianreyes8688 Yeah. I guess for a guy that can punch through dimensions, he can easily do that.
How? How is Janemba weaker than Super Buu? If Janemba beat SSJ 3 Goku, Vegeta, and Pikkon, and Kid Buu died from SSJ 3 Goku, than obviously Janemba is stronger.
Ssj Yoshi Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Lol. Goku got shrekt by super buu but could fight on par with kid buu.
Haha if Super Buu was so strong he wouldn't be beaten by Ultimate Gohan which is weaker than both Kid Buu and SS3 Goku
just stop...please, goku ssj3 is not as strong as gotenks or ultimate gohan.
Kid Buu didn't die from SSJ 3 Goku wtf Goku beat him using spirit bomb with the energy of all living things. Watch dbz all over again smh
Telarius Kid Buu us the strongest, moron.
Geekdom101
hey did you know you and Mike from laughingstock both uploaded a video of janimba at the same exact time?
Stronger than Kid Boo for sure, and weaker than Base Super Boo for sure. Goku was still able to at least hang around with Super Janemba, until the latter pulled out his reality warped sword. Anything equal to or above Bootenks should be able to defeat Super Janemba as easily as Gogeta did.
If I were to make a guess, I would say around the level of SSjin 2 Gotenks.
SSjin 3 Gotenks >= *Base Super Boo* >> SSjin 2 Gotenks ~ *Super Janemba* >> SSjin Gotenks ( Post RoSaT ) > *SSjin 3 Son Goku ( Boo Arc )* >= Kid Boo >> SSjin 2 Vegeta ( Boo Arc )
wait my only question is did gotenks go ssj2? evn in games he only has ssj1
Super buu and gotenks is equal and isn't kid buu stronger than ssj 3 goku
+JayDBanKZ 0 kid buu demoslishes ssj3 goku easily in the manga but anime he needed to have a good fight sooo lol
Limitless Buu was fucking him fat buu and vegeta up in the anime But goku was having a good fight tho buu also fucked up Hercule
+JayDBanKZ 0 yea he was dominating but manga goku was less than wat he did in the anime lol
I know I'm kinda late to the party, and you might have addressed this before, but you mentioned the movie villains are sort of supposed to be templates for the main series villains (or the other way around). That's pretty interesting, cause they are indeed similar. Have you ever discussed about this before? It's a cool topic.
Janemba I think is around super buu strength it's his moves that gave him the edge so if his powers worked on earth then I bet he would be able to hold super buu for a while but he would be no chance for buuhan
I am suprised that you didn't do this video a few months ago. I have a question: why was it that the characters in pre-saiyan arc (Dragon Ball) were so unique and equipped with such unorthadox fighting methods/powers? For example, Boss Rabbit, Tao and his tongue death move or the Devil Beam thing.
janemba possessed a normal person in other world imagine how strong he would be if he possessed goku
I don't think that part mattered. The ooze that made him just needed a physical form. Also since Goku is about as good as good gets it would only make things worse for Janemba since he's like sin made physical. Even Vegeta would probably have made him weaker since he had just died after being possessed and was probably done with that business.
if he possessed any villains like a symbiote on frieza, cell, buu, broly, baby, omega shenron, etc, damn i never thought about that
Hey Josh, have you ever considered that Goku only refused to fight Super Buu because he knew he'd need SS3 to beat him, and would have to reveal it to Vegeta. I personally believe he was trying to avoid conflict with Vegeta there, plus the fact that SS3 would still be a challenge to beat Super Buu. Fusion was more of a guarantee.
Goku was stronger in this movie! Then he was in the buu saga
Have you guys forgotten that Super Buu literally screamed a hole through space-time when he was in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber? He did have the power to affect the dimensions, just nowhere near the scale of Janemba
Janemba was the angel of hell real stuff
He can become LEGO so he can deal all the damage to everyone
Is Janemba the inspiration for hit?
You mention the video discussing which form of buu is the strongest, and how the anime makes Kid Buu seem the strongest, which got me thinking. I was introduced to the series when I was 16 (through TFS) which prompted me to watch the anime. I NEVER thought the anime was implying Kid Buu was the strongest, because with a little thought you can see that SSJ3 Goku roughly equals Kid Buu, SSJ3 Goku
Guys Potara fusion is stronger than regular fusion, in result Gogeta is weaker than Vegito, so Janemba was weaker a lot thab Buu.
its not stronger only better but only because of there is no time limit of the potara fusion
Its stronger, if you make a little research about multiplicators, and yeah it's more stable too.
They're better yeah but I don't recall anything about the earrings making somebody stronger.
+Serghei Lefter there aren't any official formulas to determine the strength of fusion, whether fusion dance or potara since all we officially got were vague descriptions.
You can't conclude who's stronger between Super Janemba and Super Buu based solely on that. For all you know it could be like this Vegito>Gogeta>Janemba>Buu ...get it?
In raw power. only in range of SSJ3 Goku, like Kid Boo.
He was shown to be at the slight disadvantage in hand to hand combat against SSJ3 Goku. It was his special techniques that allowed him to overtake SSJ3 Goku, not his raw power.
To be fair, Goku in Fusion Reborn easily beats Goku in the Buu Saga.
Alex Cousins because this happened after the buu saga which means goku had been training and he also got zenkai boost. Therefore FR goku is tougher than buu goku.
But Vegeta still dead
To be honest dragon ball nation is probably spot on in my opinion
Janemba was such an uninteresting villain.
AC Milan Disciple didn't talk, had no real go, kind of just came out of nowhere.
yeah but he had more interesting moves then kid buu but not enough interesting moves compared to super buu.
awesome video
You guys forgot to mention that janemba’s weakness is being insulted. That’s how piccon almost beat him and buu most likely would have insulted janemba and realized that was his weakness
Gogeta seems to be their "oh shit we have to end this fast" solution. Pretty sure it's stated somewhere in the build up to Super Broly that Gogeta is just an overwhelmingly strong fighter and his best use is to beat an opponent before they can adapt to the new fighter. Kind of checks out when you consider the fact that gogeta has never gotten the "hero beat down" that every arc has just before said hero goes ham. Gogeta is full ham right out the gate
Janemba is my favourite movie villain too.. And my favourite movie is fusion reborn lol loved the artwork, animation and the fight choreography
Gogeta can go super sayian 4 so he's stronger
*sarcasm*
But in reality i think that you guys accurately placed janemba, great vid guys!
I like your point about the movie villains being based on other villains in the story, I hadn't considered that before. On that note, Buu seemed to have dimensional powers, but only when he completely lost his composure. Unlike Janemba, who seemed to have greater levels of control with it. Personally, I think Super Buu(Buuhan) is slightly more powerful, but Janemba's level of technique covers the gap... so equals.
Brandon, DBZ movies try kinda mimic the canon story. Cooler is like Freeza and not because they are related (if we believe in the non-canon story) but he's exactly the same kind of a villain (an evil galactic emperor). Janemba is exactly like Majin Buu. A demonic, magical being who even goes from being a big, round, childish creature to being a serious demon with exactly the same set of crazy abilites including body manipulation and some magic tricks. He even can go one step beyond by having the ability to wrap reality or to create these dimensional pocket portals or whatever you wanna call them. The biggest problem is with Cell's movie counterpart. I would say the movie with Bojack share similar sequences with Cell Arc (Bojack crushing Gohan, Goku helping Gohan from the afterlife and finally Gohan transforming into SSJ2), however when it comes to the villan design itself Super Android 13 is more like Cell cuz he needed to absorb the neuroprocessors of the two other cyborgs to became integrated like Cell had to do with 17 and 18 in his arc. Now, the power comparison is the hard part. Cooler in his fifth transformation is definitely stronger then Freeza although he ends up being defeated by Goku SSJ. It doesn't make any sense though because Goku tells Cooler at one point that he looks like Freeza which explains to us the events of this movie take place after the Freeza saga and yet Goku in that movie is not aware of SSJ transformation until the very end of the movie when he taps into this form for the first time.. So either it's an inexplicable gap or Goku defeated Freeza in his base form in the non-canon DBZ universe. Super Janemba is on a par with either Buutenks or Buuhan cuz Goku SSJ3 was no match for him and they had to fuse to destroy him.
Sometimes... I just listen to your commentary to decide if I want to go into real life and deal with people.... tonight im not to sure...
Your 100% correct Dragon Ball Nation, because in Fusion Reborn Vegeta was dead and dead people in Other World have their power levels cut in half so it made Gogeta even weaker then Vegito by 25% , and Gogeta would tear Super Buu a ass hole with the StarDust Breaker Technique.
Kidbuu's lack of any empathy and particular goal is what made him the most dangerous. It's not a coincidence Toriama made him the last villain of thee entire series. The influence of the Z fighters inside Buu is what actually slowed superbuu, the ultimate destructive and unrelentingly evil villain of all will always be Kidbuu in my opinion which makes him most dangerous with his power
You guys give an excellent point with janemba being equal to super Buu. Goku didn't stand much of a chance of final form janemba but I'd like to point out that Goku was confident about fighting super Buu piccolo-absorbed when the buutenks fusion timed out. So would that mean that janemba is equal to buutenks?
4:40 I'm glad you talked about run time. I thought I was the only one that knew about this. This is why I think Broly is so overrated. The only reason he beat the super sayians quickly is because he had limited time to do so. Just like Bojack. This is why I don't think Broly is strong er then Cell and no way in hell stronger then buu.
Apparently due to movie placement, you would think he isnt since it's around the same time goku is alive and vegeta and trunks turns ssj. But at the same time, your bugging out. The power of the Legendary Super Saiyin is a Saiyan with unnatural immense Ki that continues to explode and increase drastically over time. Now we havent really seen a ssj2 fight broly so one may see it as a weaker than that.....but brolys power far exceeds that of cells. Now if cell trained, he would experience that large power leap like frieza did to get golden form but since he was too arrogant, he relied on his own modern strength plus his 1 zenkai boost and still lost. I dont think broly had gotten a Zenkai boost in the time we seen him but......hes broly
Janemba is my fav villain
I may be wrong here but didnt Janemba mop the floor with ssj3 goku? I think hes on par with Super Buu
Also i dont think his abilities stop if he left hell awesome video Geekdom this is just my opinion
I have a dream that someone like you will appear in the Latin America's DB community. So much clickbait, false info, unfounded speculation (the theory of Black being future Goten and GT being universe 6 came from there). God, we need Geekdom.
Two points I want to raise:
1. Jenemba was taking a beating from Goku (Goku was landing successful punches and kicks) but was able to defeat Goku by manipulating / cheating the law of physics.
2. Gogeta does not have the ability or power to manipulating / cheating the law of physics, but his strength along is enough to defeat Jenemba with ease.
Meaning, if pure strength is strong enough, who cares about those fancy abilities.
What a great video
Definitely stronger than Kid Buu. His abilities make him a handful, and right off the bat he's learning new things (Sword, portals, etc.). With time to improve, I always liked to think he could have been the strongest thing we've ever seen in DBZ.
I do think that I kind of agree with you... In terms of power I believe Evil Boo with kick Janemba's ass, but Janemba's abilities are something to behold and they could (and in my opinion would) have a huge impact on a fight between the two and lead Janemba to a victory!
Buu scream made portal to the hyperbolic time chamber
Bro. When you get annoyed with people who talk like, but don’t actually know about DBZ it’s hilarious. Watch the fucking show again!! Lol. Great vid guys, keep up the great worl
may I intervene at about mid vid when you guys screamed about the Gogeta VS Vegito argument,shall I *explain*? Vegito could easily wipeout Gogeta because of one factor. Time. Gogeta *HAS* to be that powerful due to having such limited time to fight depending on the strength of those fusing. Vegito is different,Goku and Vegeta could fuse in SSGSS and stay in that form as long as they have the potara earings. If they fused while in SSGSS into Gogeta,the fusion would have such a short time limit due to them being so strong,and you also have to factor in the strength of the two. To fuse,the two fusers must be of equal strength for it to work *AND* must be in perfect sync. When it comes down to it,it's Potara VS Traditional Fusion Technique. Potara can fuse at any power level and can be permanent. If the two were to fight,all Potara would have to do is outlast the time limit and boom,Potara wins. But in sheer power,Gogeta WOULD be stronger due that small moment,if you were to draw it out carefully,and imagine that movie as a series of episodes,Gogeta would win in sheer power,but would have to win in that time limit. Even though not canon,Gogeta even if drawn out would win the sheer power factor. But as a strategic choice between Potara or Traditional,Potara would win due to being able to fuse quicker and not worry about a time limit. Yet,their fighting styles as shown in DBXV2 has shown a power gap. Vegito is more of lot of quick punches or one shot move to do damage,but Gogeta's move known as soul punisher,can be viewed as more powerful due to it literally attacking negativity and turning it against the combatant. In GT if Gogeta had used that move,it would've ended Omega Shenron due to him being MADE FROM NEGATIVITY just like another villain we know...hmmm...who could that be? oh yah,JANEMBA. BUT due to Vegito not being a negative factor,Gogeta wouldn't win that fight,yes Gogeta possesses a LOT of power with that move,but it depends on the combatant. As we saw Soul Punisher got rid of Janemba(negativity) and left only the worker unlike Vegito who would end up killing Janemba AND the worker. If Gogeta fought Goku Black....the outcome is unknown,I mean,you could say he could turn all negative energy Goku Black possesses against him...but idk. I want to hear you guys opinion on my little comment.
wow these guys are the ESPN of dragon ball z. love it
I would love to see a retelling of this movie in super
Janemba is the easiest non-canon villain to turn into a canon villain. Broly became canon in Dragon Ball Super: Broly so same could happen to other popular movie villains. And seeing Janemba as an insanely powerful reality-warping multiversal threat would make perfect sense now that Goku's powerful enough to rival and even surpass some gods.