ZEKE REBORN...? || GERMAN watches Attack on Titan 4x17 - BLIND REACT-ANALYSIS
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It's kind of funny to me that everyone in the first scene is frozen in shock and Zeke is just standing there butt-naked.
he was "reborn again" like ymirs song ,which is ironic considering his ideology
@@tx6723 let's consider this as plot zeke, just like plot armor reiner
The titan that keeps Zeke in its stomach is the same one that held him in the middle when Levi was chasing, and Zeke tore it up and threw it at him. In the past few episodes As you can see, something was moving at the bottom of the screen at that moment. It wasn't the Beast Titan's jaw, but its the nape.
Reminds me of the beasts first appearance. I always registered him as having killed the Easter-island titan when he popped its head off
But of course it survives and comes back later. I guess Zeke is careful not to break his weapons
6:04 -- Of course he looks young. He actually _is_ relatively young.
His beard and the color of his voice make him look older than he is, but he is only 10 years older than Eren. During the battle for Shiganshina he was 25 years old.
Previous openings: ooh there might be some cheeky spoilers if you pay attention.
S4 pt2 opening: RUMBLING, RUMBLING, ITS COMING RUMBLING, RUMBLING. BEWARE!
They ended the episode like that because they wanted to show us the horrors of a war and Eren's scream sounds like irl war sirens
I’m really glad you’ve enjoyed the series & really taken the time to deep dive into it. I agree I think the lessons it teaches are so important especially for our time. It’s a dark mirror held up to humanity of its most extreme conclusions impulses . Even in that darkness there is beauty & light to be found.
Yes, definitely, because those damn flowers are always amongst the horror. =D I really hope the beauty starts soon, though, or at least will be there in the end again :D
I love iş episode iş amzing my boy Reiner and his team here to saved gebi heve nice❤
Did anyone else notice that berutoruto’s colossal has ears but when we looked at Armins colossal when they raided Liberio doesn’t have ears. A theory going around that it’s because Armin did not want to hear the screams of the people he was killing
Damnn
50:05 -- No, he was actually 9 years old when he saved Mikasa. _(It was explicitly said in the episode 1x14.)_
Oh, to answer the question about the Vow Renouncing War (which I'm sure other people have already answered), it's something people with royal blood are FORCED to abide by once/if they inherit the Founding Titan.
There's a small flashback in Season 3 where Rod and Uri are begging their father to break the vow and save humanity, but he refuses. And when Uri inherits the Founding Titan years later, his views suddenly change, and he refuses to break it, as well.
The same thing happens when Frieda inherits it. Kenny says that he took "one look in her eyes" and knew that Uri, or more accurately, The Founding Titan, was in there. After all, Kenny only met Uri after he had become The Founding Titan.
Yes, I missed that info in an earlier episode. =D
People never care to notice or mention, but in the opening, the series of images showing the titan shifters, Benedict is the last one shown, with blood dripping down to Armin.
I spot a fellow nicholas light tv watcher
I was just thinking the only way Levi recovers from this anytime soon is if he became a Titan Shifter, which led immediately to thinking what kind of titan he'd be.
Could you imagine Levi as the War Hammer Titan, able to create giant ODM gear and swords?
That idea is outrageous
The strongest anti-titan titan
Ackermanns cant turn into titans
He's not an engineer though, would take some time to create that shit. And also you'd need outrageous amounts of iceburst gas
If you look closely to the window behind Galliard, you can see the reflection of Ymir, bc he ate her to take her titan
Magath hugging Gabi is one of the most underrated moments in the show
Absolutely. It hits so hard, is utterly unexpected, yet makes perfect sense at the same time. Just like every twist in AoT. That's a level of writing that is just beyond. So many people (idiots) sleep on every great thing involving Gabi and just miss so much of season 4 as a result. She's one of the best main characters, and Magath supporting characters, in the whole show.
Too late
Magath has been grooming kids to be child soldiers for god knows how long. Him caring about Gabi (a future Warrior) really doesn’t mean shit to me. I can’t root for Marley no matter how hard the show tries to make me care about them (except Reiner, but he’s no hero either).
18:18 all Jaeger's titans have pig ears for a reason
Connection to Ymir? :D
I agree withyou here my friend ❤
On the topic of mixed ideas, I remember thinking along those lines when I played Xcom and warhammer 40 chaos gate (basically Xcom in 40k).
In these games you are the commander and you have 3 people immediately serving under you who are each in charge of a different branch of the organization (research, engineering and field operations).
In both cases, each of these "leutenants" have very different ways of seeing the situation and are all focused on their department and angle.
And this is, from your perspective as the leader, a very good thing.
You might view them individually as to narrow minded and tunnel visioned, but because you have people of such differing opinions all adding their input to the conversation at hand, that means you as the decision maker get more to work with.
You get all the arguments for and against every course of action and that means you can make a better, more informed decision.
Xcom 2 even plays with this idea a bit, as the former head of research ends up isolated due to the alien war and conducts her own research, and it ends VERY badly with the creation of certain lethal life forms that escape the lab.
In an audio log that you find, you hear her lament the fact that you (the commander) was not there to keep her ambitions in check when she did said experiments.
So basically, a group of people with different skillsets and ways of thinking can accomplish much more and better things than they each could do alone, but there has got to be some uniting factor for them to gather around, which in Xcom's case is the commander ad in many IRL cases is the culture (SpaceX has both, a leader to rally around and a strong company culture).
This is why having a strong, well defined culture is important, and also why you have to make sure your culture isn't shit (there are certain cultures in the world that are absolute trash).
Yes, agreed with all you said. There needs to be a node that is able to operate with a larger task in mind. Otherwise it is just chaos and shouting matches. :)
Zeke special power is his control over other titan and the ability to turn eldians into obedience titans. The Beast titan doesnt have that, it just a beast, give the user the power of an animal. Only the female (aside from founding) have the ability to call titan and even then, it cant exactly control them like Zeke can
51:28 this is why a crucial part of the '50 year plan' is for Hizuru (who already have up-to-date tech) to help the island develop their own military forces as a replacement for the threat of the rumbling.
It's really hard for a series to successfully make the audience turn against the protagonist it's made them root for over at least 60 episodes, but goddamn AoT does it. Even though Marley is complicit in every tragedy the main characters have faced through the series, we're more or less forced to cheer for them because the alternative is Eren's total global destruction.
People weren’t “forced” to cheer for Marley. I think most people were indifferent on who to cheer for at this point because pretty much all the main characters were corrupt to some extent. Marley is too irredeemable to make people say “well, I guess I have to cheer for them now”.
Even after Eren started the Rumbling, lots of fans weren’t buying into any support for Marley/outside world, and it’s not hard to see why.
@@jimmy3261 Fatalism is probably the only response worse than picking a side. That's how you end up with Painters in power in the first place.
Easy answer to your question about teachers having agendas: just have a lot of teacher with different agendas! 😂❤
I’m from the middle of USA, in my Midwest dialect it’s correct to pronounce anti how you do (antee). But can correctly be said as (antai) as well.
English has so many accents and dialects so usually it can go multiple ways
I feel sorry the most for ppl like connie and jean. Good dudes that got drug into the front lines of a clusterfuck.
Yeah, but after finishing all eps, I have to commend Jean for not getting corrupt safe for that one "I am gonna shoot Falco" moment :(
OMG I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF THIS EPISODE.
Anyways carry on lol
What is it?
Maybe I missed it, 🤔have you reacted to opening and ending season 4 part 1 (not this one but the opening and ending for episode 1-16)
Yes your ritht here l fell şad for Reiner and Eren here keep going king your the best
No, will do that end of the week. =) I just had to watch it all :D
7:00 I like how you connected biblical stuff here. But more like Norse mythology too. There's a RUclips video titled Norse Mythology in Attack on Titan. Presented the very well-made parallels of the anime and the myth.
Great video yes, and yup, I do agree. I mean they do call her "founder ymir" as is the case with norse mythology.
It is of course Norse, but the rpinciple is in almost every religion I know =)
I'm not sure if one of the other comments mentioned it already, so apologies if this is a repeat, but I highly recommend looking up a comparison of the original and English dubbed audio for the end of this episode. Eren's roar is quite different but I think it's amazing in both. In the original (this one) it sounds like a terrifying roar of a beast mounting its charge, but in the English dub they did some sort of eerie mix of the titan roar and Eren's own scream, so you can hear the human voice behind a boney, clattering scream. It sounds so skeletal and primal, more like a wounded animal desperately trying to survive.
-please don’t read if you haven’t watched the final episode-
You know Eren can see the past present future, he has known the future, so he knew that at the end all his friends (jean et al) survived while floch and yeagerists died. So maybe he just used floch and yeagerists as tool to save his friends from titan curse, and it was because eren loved his friends more than anything. If it was the case, I think I kinda pity floch, but I also will never ever blame eren because he just loved his friends and wanted to save them, even in the process of saving his friends he was willing to sacrifice 80% population, floch and yeagerists. This is only my 2cent.
Of course he did want to remove the titan curse for them, but he did not know the whole future, only scattered pieces of it.
And in the last episode he directly says he didn't know whether his friends would survive, which is why Hange and Sasha died. He knew that a choice Mikasa makes would result in the titan curse vanishing, but he didn't know why or how the events leading to that would play out.
He didn't know floch would die till he touched ymir fritz or later
the vow is something someone of royal blood cant resist, we see that uri used to want to free the people inside the walls, but as soon as he had the founding titan he didnt want that, theres even a flashback of frieda saying she wont succumb to the gost of her ancestors but she failed that too
52:10 The Wall Titans are 60m, just like the Colossal, but they're simply 10m underground
i like this idea, and the S1 miner story does suggest it could be the case, but we really don't know for sure. They could just be 50m with hardening extending underground for support. And when the rumbling activates we don't see any feet embedded 10m in the ground, in the anime or the manga
why floch looks like adolt hifler but without moutsache 🤣
I believe some things are obvious to people who have seen the whole show, but they forget what info is known and unknown at specific parts of the story. I think all your theories fit perfectly with all the info you have at this point in the story. There is a lot to keep track of watching this show, haha. So dont worry about not instantly understanding everything in full detail, or whatever people are complaining about. 😉
Magath isn't aiming for the neck. Its the same deal as always. They don't want to kill the Founder. They want to take it. So they need to incapicate Eren and have someone eat him.
I actually think at this point, its a super stupid call. Even from a purely "Fuck the world and all that shit, we just want power" pov. You probably should kill Eren, let the powers split and then pick them up later. Giving one of the shifters the powers of the founder, warhammer, attack and Cart/Armoured/Jaw is like... way to much power in one person that your trying to control through fear and oppression.
They kind of have to help Eren here, because Marley would destroy Eldia. I think thats still the order, and Magath is going to follow orders. EVEN IF he isn't and his change of heart has been enough to not want to do it, they have absolutely know way of knowing that. As far as anyone on Paradis knows (either Paradisians or the Volunteers) Marley absolutely 100% wants to wipe Paradis of the face of the earth.
You can easily throw in the British Empire at the end. Its a cycle. An almost inevitable flaw with society due to the nature of humanity. Leaders seek power. When they have power, they seek more power. Power is wealth and influence. You gain said power and influence by expanded your reach. And throughout history, the most effective method of expanding said power and influence is via war, and the most effective way to rule a nation at war, is by being authorarian.
I do think AOT is something that could be used as an effective teaching tool. Ultimately school do try to teach these things, however when using real world examples to do so... they do tend to get complicated by inherent biases, either positive or negative.
When they talk about partial rumbling, or a test rumbling, they mean releasing a bit of the walls to go mess up some miltary encampments.
Haubitze has an english word, Howitzer. It’s existed (to my knowledge) well back in the napoleonic wars, and was almost perfected in the Franco-Prussian war
I think the rail cannon you think of is the Carl Gustav!
Eren is the symbolic representation of what will inevitably happen if you unjustly oppress people. If ou do that, an "Eren" will appear to pay you back ten fold. You can make a strong argument that Eren is justified in his actions, as evidenced by half the fan base being jaegerists. Expect others to commit atrocities to defend their people. Dont give them a reason too.
One interesting thing I’d like to point out, after zeke emerges from the titan he tells Floch he doesn’t know what happened. I think you are suppose to assume zeke was controlling the titan telling it to put him in his stomach but perhaps that’s not the case.🤔
AOT draws a lot from Norse mythology , but yes there's a lot of biblical imagery as well.
We are next to the best episodes of the show... I'm moving forward to see how you'll react to it.
And Armin is not talking about his memories, but about the Ackermanns quote, when he is talking about Eren lying. He is answering Mikasa to her quote about her Ackermanns blood. And you know now if it was a lie or not... And if Magath didn't hit the nape of Eren, it was because he don't want to kill him, but to stole his powers by eating him. After a rewatch, everything is more clear.
zeke's special power is running from Levi 😬
Levi's special power is it's 2IQ fans
Honestly, you SHOULD skip the opening but getting spoiled is completely unavoidable. It's going to happen either because you're too slow pausing or while scrubbing looking for the number. Just know if you do, it just means you get to experience it just like everyone else does.
I am a bit unsure why you say this, but I di dnot get spoiled, luckily.
The best Op is here
Eren looks like orochimaru 🤭
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Just bc they think they are saving the world you think it’s okay to commit genocice? That’s what Marley wants, they are no better than Eren, dont forget Reiner started all of erens pain but I guess its okay now because he had a sad backstory?😂…how many people Reiner has killed and been responsible for killing because of his selfishness idk man people forget Reiner is a MASS MURDERER😂 but now that Eren fights back that’s when Reiner says “hey man i know i killed countless scores of your people but now you’re killing my people…please stop”
You can see it like that, but it is really short-sighted. Also, Reiner at least tries to change for the better while Eren is one of the worst pieces of s*** that I ever witnessed in a show, though I still love his 11/10 writing. =)
@@storieswithstyle i mean…maybe??? Has he tried to change? He’s still bringing death to Elida…he still thinks Marley is right to commit genocide against an entire race which he is a part of? Is that truly selfless idk man i feel like this story is telling you that no one is good, but lets not pretend Reiner is a good person, no one really is except like falco and colt😂i just cant stand people who write eren off at this point in the story completely forgetting that Reiner is the literal cause of most of his childhood trauma. Are we supposed to forget that the beginning of season 4 is Reiner murdering people for Marley(people who want to break free of Marleys rule by the way) he has robbed lives from people fighting for freedom his entire life, but now that the racist country he works for gets attacked by eren…he decides to get Marley to attack another country that has been oppressed and violated by marley?
@@Kilonzo8811 I do think there will be a longer discussion on this on this channel, as it is by far not as simple as you make it out to be, but I see your points and they also definitely have weight. But Reiner clearly tries to make up for his sins and is drowned in guilt. he tries to somehow safe at least gabi from an early death and also, what I think is definitely missing in your reasoning is the age of the characters. Reiner was like 9 when he did it, not even understanding what exactly he was doing (which was still absolutely reprehensible), but Eren is grown up outwardly (though to be fair, he stayed a child inside beacuse the memories held his development down as we see in the movie). Also, Marley doe snot want to commit geno**. Where did you get that from? They are r*** as shit, but not genocidal. Hell, magath, the leader of the marleyan military even instigates seeds for a better future. The attack that is happening in this episode is mainly to root Eren out, not to wipe out Eldia. I am confused as to why so many people keep saying this when Willy clearly stated the goal was Eren and Jaegerists and not Eldia. That was the point of his theatre part, to sow those seeds as well. :) But I will talk about it more in the future, as I can not really do your poiints justice in written form as a comment. =)
@@storieswithstyle I agree with you on most of this its just a super complex story😂 and most people forget that Reiner is actually a mass murderer just because he “opposes eren” i wont make any excuses for eren except most people just throw 3 seasons worth of trauma and horror out the window the second eren does the same thing Reiner was doing on a waaay smaller scale but whatever i guess its easy to forgive someone who wants to make things right by killing more people…just like eren… its just weird to me that people will forgive Reiner so easily for mass murder on multiple countries but wont do that for eren for attacking Marley
@@storieswithstyle and again not justifying eren at all, however Reiner has the benefit of hindsight and the knowledge of the outside world his whole life while eren literally just found out the WHOLE WORLD wants his people dead…and also that civilization isn’t dead
38:17 i dont look at that scenario as a good comp for a country. I look at marley as a symbol of "apologizing or paying for your ancestors mistakes". For instance in america black people think all white people owe them reparations for sins of our fathers...lacking complete context. They dont worry about holding slave owner families vs non slabe owning families accountable. Just think all white people are guilty and deserve to be punished. This is exactly the portrayal i believe the show is demonstrating. Its a stupid, baseless idea. The measure of a man should be defined by his own deeds and actions....not some collective demonization. This is the crux of the argument between collective rights like woke ideology vs. individual rights. Collective rights and identity politics is evil at its core and will always lead to ruin.
Edit: i should note i dont mean all black ppl and plenty of others that arent black that also share the viewpoint. Dont wanna sound like im blaming black people or that its exclusive to them. Just the one example that i chose to use.
Agreed, I rant a lot about that in the 3x20 reaction =)
@storieswithstyle nice. Ill be there