RUclips vod system is amazing, and being able to pause streams is a god send for people who can't sit at the screen every second of the many hour long stream. It sucks that youtube hasnt made their live space better because its so good in many ways but just not good enough to make streamers stay or move audiences for established Twitch streamers
On desktop I don't mind either but YT's mobile app still has a lot of issues, there's this annoying bug that doesn't save where you stopped at, if you start watching it on the computer, pause and open it on mobile it continues from the right spot but then if you close the video and reopen it it starts from 0, which is why I use a notepad to keep track of everything I'm watching on YT and Twitch. Twitch's app is obviously worse now but watching VODs on it works fine, I just wish it had a dynamic compressor like YT to make the background sounds louder (like what FFZ does on Twitch through the browser).
I love being able to arrive late to a stream, scrub back to the start and watch on 2x speed till I am caught up. On Twitch I feel like I can't really join in because I missed so much - as incorrect as that may be, I still feel that way.
Simulcasting has been great for my viewing experience, better pausing/skipping downtime to catch back up to live, instant rewind and instant VODs that pick up where I left off. The only bad part is finding streams, and much much slower and worse chat. If I’m watching an big esports events I’ll do it on here because chat is shit anyway If twitch managed to mirror RUclips’s playback and video integration they would clean sweep youtube
I love youtube streams so much because I can pause the stream come back unpause it and put it on 1.5 or 1.75x to catch back up without missing anything
@@cypher2251most people don't gaf about chat in the grand scheme of things I usually watch steams in the background while doing other things i don't understand how people just sit there and type into a void all day
@@kerolokerokerolo They only worked for me on Twitch very briefly but then stopped working, lve tried all the custom scripts and special Twitch adblocker extensions
As a lurker, as ludwig rightly said, youtube is SO much better as an experience than twitch. shorter ads (if any), the ability to pause, rewind with little to no buffer on playback? RUclips is goated for me! Really sad lily left youtube cause I loved her streams on here
Yeah I stopped watching sykkunno and lily after they left, I kinda miss them but I can't warrant using twitch I just don't like the experience that much but I understand why most do
I get why streamers prefer Twitch but I don't understand why viewers prefer Twitch. It's unwatchable. Twitch is just 90% ads and you can't rewind when you miss something.
I just like it better tbh, I think the UI is easier to understand and the features like redeems and bits are nice. Modding is also much better on Twitch, there's more tools to track and warn chatters. But yeah, YT does have a better vod experience and playback; honestly with one overhaul to the YT live I could see myself enjoying YT more
i get why people hate ad's i mean its obvious , but it also helps pay the content creator if its youtube twitch or any where that plays ad's. i get you are subscribed then you don't watch ad's on twitch or you subscribe to youtube + (wahtever its called) or twitch turbo , then you don't get ads. people don't have to subscribe or pay anything to enjoy the content a streamer does , its free. but watching the ad's is the best possible free way to support that content creator with out paying a dime.
100% the rewind, watch speed and the VOD system are the only better features YT has over Twitch. If you don't care about the chat at all like me you can watch either or both. That being said the Twitch ads have gotten SO out of hand and I have a YT subscription for ad free viewing, video downloads, background play + YT music, coming from someone who had Spotify Premium until early this year, it's not exactly cheap but considering im on YT daily and the music selection is miles better than Spotify it's worth the money to me. I don't want to throw money at Twitch streamers JUST for no ads and chat emotes, it's really not worth it compared to how much I watch RUclips.
@@IamDoomii and if you're really fcking cheap, there's also less legal options to have a zero ad experience on youtube. Any way you slice it, the only thing twitch has over yt is the chat experience and even then 90% of twitch chat is just brainrot spam fest anyway, so you're not losing much. Lmao
As a lurker who never even reads chat I haven’t watched a twitch stream since Ludwig left. The only thing I care about is the playback and being able to pause or rewind then just watch in 1.5/2x speed to catch up is just so good. I also only watch on mobile and the twitch app is garbage.
Same. I first made a Twitch account during the pandemic, but now I don't use it anymore. I never got used to it, as someone who loves rewatching certain parts and catching up at 1.25 or 1.5 speed. When I catch a stream live and I've missed the beginning, I just go to the start and catch up lol. If streamers go back to Twitch, I think I'll just stay on youtube watching videos/streamers still here tbh.
I hate the recent update to the twitch app, I don't wanna open it and immediately have some stream open, I wanna immediately see the list of currently live streamers that I follow
Twitch UI is absolutely awful, I have no idea how people deal with it. It's buggy without cookies, has terrible playback features, buffers much more, and is much less lightweight than RUclips
Dude Twitch destroyed the brazilian market on Twitch. They are stupid and have a small company mentality. The amount of money a streamer can make on Twitch as a Brazilian got sliced in 1/6 of the value. That's why non english speakers leave, they are trying to survive and the CEO of Twitch thinks of us as smaller, poor and "streamers are musicians playing on the streeet" (his words). We face streaming as a job, a career. RUclips is the best for non americans
@@lukeshioshio Thats a you issue bud. Those musiians are only the same in the way that theyre trying to make it, theyre trying to find a platform...so saying that to people who" made it" and have the "platform" is a mockery. Street Musitians have the goal in the mind where it can be a career, streamers are at that goal, but it cant be career because the platform wont let it be
@@lukeshioshiothat’s not the case for established well earning or in this case formerly well earning streamers they’re more accurately like full time musicians who all of a sudden are loosing 83% of their income for no good reason
It's been a few months and I'm still absolutely gutted that Lily left RUclips. For all the reasons you mentioned it makes perfect sense why she would. But I don't have a Twitch account. The website is really laggy on my computer, I don't like the chat culture and I'm too old to understand the emotes and memes. I'm always on RUclips watching other videos, and I love being able to pop into streams and see what's happening. I have stopped watching Lily and Sykkuno since they left, only catching the occasional clip from clip channels and whatever they choose to post. But I seriously miss the comfy vibes after a long day of work. I'm very grateful Rae is still going to be here for the foreseeable future.
This is true, I hate twitch for all they've done, their platform performs like shit, you get 5 30 second ads ever 3 minutes of a live stream and their ui is just not good. People say RUclips has no 'chat culture' but honestly I don't think just doing saying exactly the opposite of what the streamer says and acting dumb isn't exactly funny 90% of the time and I just wanna be able to use RUclips and not go on that website
@@Moter. Streamers prioritise chat because those are the ones who donate $$$ for attention. Being a silent viewer helps their numbers and to get seen more but at the end of the day they want someone to send them $50 just to get a hello back
Ngl I really dont like RUclips chat at all, its incredibly sluggish in comparison. If we can get the insta VOD feature of youtube but have Twitch chat capability, I’d be all for it.
lily has vod channel where the twitch vods get put up on yt. and a fan has done the same for sykkuno. if the chat isnt important to you you can watch those
Things RUclips could do to massively improve livestreaming: -On your subscription page, let you filter by All, Video, Live, or Shorts -If the streamer has the DVR feature active, don't allow people to chat unless they are watching what is currently live (big reason everyone keeps this otherwise great feature off) -Better moderation tools (like messaging users to warn them, or a system to review bans) -Longer than 12 hour streams -Improve the gaming / live pages, and make live a section at the top of the site like shorts -Better native emotes
The thing about RUclips is that it's convenient. I'm already subscribed to your channel, I see you streaming, I just click. Not everyone has a twitch, also rewind is good
I think the biggest factor is bargaining power. As streamers and entrepreneurs, they can’t continue to stream on YT for free after YT just gave them a BAG for 2 years to do it. We know YT has probably stopped doing contracts, but streamers completely lose all leverage if they keep streaming for free.
The leverage is lost because nobody is signing contracts, not because streamers are continuing to stream on RUclips without them. If other services started ramping up their contracts again, then leverage would return.
what do you mean stream for free? You start streaming on twitch for free. It makes the most sense to start dual streaming because some people only engage with one platform.
@@GameFuMaster they were paid to be on RUclips. If they stay on RUclips for free when the contract ends then it lowers their leverage. This is about RUclips paying for top talent, not new streamers
RUclips allowing you to pause streams, go back a few seconds or minutes to see what you missed, then skip back to live, is so good. RUclips chat is horrendous
As a viewer RUclips is so much better of a platform for watching streams imo, on both desktop and mobile the video player is so much better and the overall ad experience is a billion times better, trying to watch anything on twitch is contantly interupted with several minutes of ads before even being able to start watching streamers.
This part. I don't know what ad blockers people use where they keep saying they can block all the ads on twitch, but with turbo, I can't get rid of it, and it's the most frustrating thing! I used to be a regular on multiple streams, but I'm not watching 5 minutes of ads front loaded!
@@rexana_rexanathis so me. 7,8-9 years back I used to watch xqc playing overwatch with him having only 100 viewers or less. Now everytime I try to go to his stream, I just turn it off before it starts showing him streaming. Them ads be too much man.
You gotta stay on RUclips, the amount of ads on twitch makes it unbearable to watch and often causes people like me to leave streams early. Waiting 2-3 mins just to get back to a stream is awful. I understand you can sub and avoid ads, but I feel like I shouldn't have to pay to watch streams.
@@dracwahlssTwitch is like the Apple of livestream, it's an inferior product, but Americans love it. There's just more quality eyeballs on twitch than youtube.
@@dracwahlss I don't think Twitch will fall since other streaming platforms are still not getting better. There's reason streamers that goes to RUclips, Kick and Rumble came back to Twitch. Other platforms need to do better for streaming
@yololoyo7379 I mean, it's already failing. It doesn't make money, and it's just used as a tax write-off for Amazon. The viewing experience is continually getting worse, but it's defended because of the tiny bit better community features? Twitch is the same as Apple, a more expensive and simple product that's not necessarily a better product but is "hip" 🤣🤣
On the "RUclips has no chat culture" Its only western streamers who seems to have no chat culture, because Vtubers chatrooms have a culture that is similar to the twitch culture. Also another point for RUclips is that their mobile app doesn't suck! Who thought it was a good idea to copy Tiktok UI on Twitch?!
i mean, they kinda do, but also youtube vtuber streams are more general emote flood (like twitch) and superchats (donos) over really being able to interact with the raw chat. And then you have sites like nico nico douga where chat goes across the screen which produces another culture
The Twitch update was good because they FINALLY provided a method of general discoverability for small streamers. You can now be algorithmically recommended. Both your streams and your clips! That was never possible on Twitch before the update!
this is true, youtube vtuber chat culture actually exist for almost 10 years. but any vtubers that from english speaking country that don't follow the "classic" vtubers lingo that mostly from oktaku words, they just basically twitch chatters which is just normies. most of twitch vtuber also treat superchat as donation while the viewers who use supperchat are mostly don't use superchat as donation instead as a way to speak their thoughts, this is not limited to vtuber but native youtube streamers for example like the united stand (football fan channel from UK), all superchaters use superchat as way to speak their mind/discussion not just to the streamer but also to people who watch the stream as the superchat highlighted and now people can leave comment on it. most of the time twitch streamer that use youtube stream don't treat the superchat like what it should be and left viewers just not interested to superchat them
i do think there could be more effort to make a culture from creators. a lot of pessimism that just kinda allows them to not. i enjoy what ludwig does cause i like valorant
It's weird how live streaming isn't a priority for RUclips, yet their live streaming infrastructure is superior to Twitch. I don't really get why the viewership is better for streamers on Twitch either. It's like live streams get ranked down on RUclips's algo.
It's because of the methods of which they are trying to push live streams into the algorithm. They keep making random ones show up while people scroll through shorts, and no one wants to stop scrolling for a random live stream, so they will always get instantly passed. Then the algorithm sees this as "people don't want live streams" so it never gets pushed anywhere else on the site and when you go to the live streaming section, it has no idea what type of streams you want to see because it's been trained with bogus data of you constantly swiping past live streams automatically on the shorts. RUclips just needs to understand their own algorithm better than they currently do
@@stickmandaninacanalso because RUclips is so much more than just a live streaming site. It’s the biggest music and video streaming service in the world, they have their priorities in other things.
RUclips actively makes streams difficult to find. The reason why Twitch does better is their interactive features. RUclips is verrrrry slowly implementing similar features, but nowhere near enough to make it as enjoyable of an experience to watch as a stream on twitch. RUclips also has an absolutely abhorrent and easily manipulated copyright flagging system which makes it 50x more difficult to stream.
Coz of Twitch chat. It's hard to interact in yt chat. You can't even reply to anyone. Even tktk live chat builds community. You can also follow others in chat for twitch and tktk. Message and Block them if you don't like. Either way, users get a lot of interaction with streamers and other viewers. There's a community. You can't even do that here even in the comments.
I've always massively preferred the viewing experience on youtube than twitch. You can pause/rewind streams midway, VODs are infinitely easier to go through, the player window just looks nicer with less clutter, etc. I don't even watch twitch streams because of how much less usable that site is, from a casual viewing experience.
I detest Twitch because the advertisements are incessant and you never get to see the content you want to see. More importantly, though, my internet is generally too bad for Twitch, while RUclips works just fine.
Twitch or RUclips I literally see no difference but RUclips as a platform is much better than whatever Twitch tries to do. It is a pain to use Twitch website.
My only issue with RUclips is the fact that RUclips spent a butt load of money on creators who are generally liked within the space (Lud, Lily, Lupo, etc.) and then they decided to do... nothing with that momentum... Sure they announced gifting memberships, like months after buying out streamers... No events, no improving the UI of RUclips Gaming, no stream into shorts integration. Literally nothing. It just seems like RUclips wanted to do something in the streaming space but then got too scared for literally no reason.
The lack of follow through is perplexing. I get the impression that RUclips's approach to platform development is fundamentally lazy. They don't do anything until a threat pops up no matter how many complaints they get. If profits dip then they do the minimum to maintain their titan status, then go back to sleep.
I think that was a strategic decision -- as in a conscious change in direction by RUclips management. In another Mogul Mail (I think it was the RUclipsrs retiring one), Ludwig talked about how RUclips was really focusing on YT Shorts since so much of their viewership is coming from it (and it competes with the much bigger platform, TikTok). I think RUclips got into this live stream gaming space and has since decided that it's "3rd fiddle" to shorts, videos, etc.
I think it is because of RUclips's big shift to bury livestreaming in YT, they don't see streaming profitable anymore as twitch is no longer a contender since there's like 3 or more other streaming platforms to combat. It also heavily shifted to RUclips Shorts, a much more profitable space compared to streaming since short content creators earn less while giving them more viewers and new users who gets addicted to those shorts. Plus, RUclips users are 20~30x more than twitch users, what's left to milk at that point?
I much prefer watching live streams on RUclips over twitch for various reasons. First off, I don't get ads at all on RUclips, whereas the ads on twitch are obnoxious. Second, the quality on RUclips just seems to be better. It looks better, it doesn't lag as hard when I pop out the video player, there's less buffering, and the audio doesn't have an aneurysm after every ad (and again, I get none). Finally, the ability to rewind a stream is so good
I both like and hate that feature bc it will take me to their stream when I'm trying to just go to their channel. But it's not like twitch is better. Have to sit through the ads that play when I load a stream to be able to go to their profile on mobile.
9:22 Vietnamese here, Nimo usually boost their view, so 130k is usually not 130k. However Mixigaming stream on youtube daily before switching to Nimo due to his contract with Nimo and average around 80-90k, 100k if he have something to show for, his big event usually average around 200k viewers on youtube. Even though that sounds like alot, during the pandemic he average around 160-200k viewer every single night so even with this insane number, he still considered that this is a falloff.
14:12 I actually was read somewhere that youtube has capped video length at 12 hours. However they said legacy videos that were uploaded before this change were grandfathered in.
I feel like he lost some nuance there though. It would have detracted from the point he was trying to make, but Aqua quitting streaming after streaming for 6 years is more monumental than Kai and Speed streaming some Minecraft. I think if the stream was "Ludwig's final stream" or "Kai's final stream" it would have way surpassed the 700k peak viewership that was mentioned.
@@Senaru oh for sure but it's still monumental as she had been streaming with Hololive for 6 years, and she's the first one to voluntarily graduate with no controversy or anything surrounding it. She essentially pulled a Tom Scott or Matpat and "quit" at the height of her career.
I think the biggest problem on RUclips is that it's nearly impossible to find some streams, some streaming categories literally can not be found like coding streams. I asked a few of my friends if they knew how to get to the live streaming section on RUclips and nearly none of them knew how
I MUCH prefer youtube livestreams as a viewer. Being able to rewind and pause without going to a different page and loading up an incomplet vod that automatically stops up to where it ends when you loaded the page... is wonderful
I hate watching things on twitch, because the ads are unskippable and you always miss content, but for me more importantly my internet is usually too shit for twitch but RUclips is fine
I will never watch things on twitch. The first time i tried going back after a long break. They showed me 5 unskippable ads in a row. Averaging between 30-45 seconds. Not worth it. I'm not paying for it either.
Honestly I hate trying to use twitch. For some reason it never lets me watch streams in 1080p without huge buffering problems. Meanwhile on RUclips I can easily watch streams on whatever the highest quality is 1ithout any buffering.
I can't stand going on Twitch because of all the ads, and I don't have enough money to pay the the $18 CAD monthly to block ads on Twitch. Ludwig is one of the only live streamers I watch on RUclips aside maybe from time to time vtubers. Other than that, I'm a "RUclips frog" as they commonly say on Twitch. Maybe it's because I'm too old (33) or not enough used to it but I've never understood that "chat culture" you mentioned. To me it's just lots of emojis scrolling by, spoilers, or jokes mocking the streamer. I don't see any difference between Twitch chat and RUclips, aside that the emojis are different.
There's a TON of interactive features, and I'm assuming for example that Ludwig has implemented voice donations with different voices on here. That of course originated on twitch. A ton of twitch streamers actually implement AI voices of their friends now via donations. There's also multiple ways of doing it on twitch. Bits, cheers, subscribing, and gifting subscriptions are examples of ways to do this. Then you have channel points which are earned by watch time. Those can be redeemed to trigger things to play on the stream, which I believe bits can do as well. It can be sounds or videos that are triggered. Lastly, there are hype trains, which encourage people to participate by going up levels. This is accomplished by compiling all of the above and enough of that crap at once being sent by the chat will trigger a hype train bar to show in the chat. Each streamer having their own emotes is a way to build community as well. I'm honestly probably missing a lot of other features, but all I've seen RUclips do recently is allow personalized emotes.
@@thelegendoflivzThe second I hear voiced donations I'm out. It might work to keep the attention of a 5-year old, but there is zero chance I'm staying. Makes the archive unwatchable as well.
@@kaminekoch.7465voice donation is actually primarily for the streamer, if they're doing something that requires focus and aren't actively reading chat
@@thelegendoflivz I agree with you, I had not thought of all this because I don't use Twitch anymore, so thank you for your comment, it's very enlightening. However, all those interactive features are made to support and give more money to the streamer, but also getting their attention. It's all linked to the income and parasocial aspect of streaming. I personally don't find lights flashings in the streamer's room all that alluring, but I guess I'm just not really fun at parties, as I said, I'm not their primary target. Sounds triggered are kind of annoying (to me). I do understand how better it is for the streamer, and how it is more interactive for their community, indeed. But if you're just there for the content and watch the streamer, it's not that much of a plus as a viewer.
my only complaint with youtube streaming as a lurker is not being able to see how long into a stream you are if you’re behind, you only see the negative amount you’re behind on live but i can deal with that
Twitch is getting carried by twitch prime subs. Outside of NA people mostly don't have prime, so less financial incentive to try twitch if your not going for english speaking audience.
I prefer the watching livestreams on YT so much and it makes watching on Twitch almost insufferable because I can't rewind or start skip around (especially if I'm late to stream).
As someone who doesn't watch live (because I live in Finland, the streams happen while I sleep), I've never had issues with RUclips. As he says in the video, the VOD experience is just much much better on YT than on Twitch.
i havent been much on twitch cuz the ads are overbearing. at least on youtube, i can block the ads. i dont feel back cuz the creators i enjoy, might miss out on adsense, i instead end up buying other stuff that gives them better profit margins without a company taking a huge cut. so its a win-win. whats also crazy to think about it is, that most of the streaming services, all if not most use amazon web services. no matter which site you use, amazon (the owners of twitch) still makes bank off of it.
as an ipad baby and youtube premium user i will always choose to watch on youtube or just rewatch a twitch vod on here. i have had some good multistream chat experiences as the youtube chat is smaller and youll get to actually talk to a bunch of people. true, the streamer usually doesn’t pay much attention, but i dont really care.
lofi girl should not count as a streamer, its backwards for the system to count it considering its not a real person, hell its not even a bot. it's a stream of some folder filled with mp3s and a gif
I dipped my toes into youtube live streaming, at least multicasting, and i got absolutely nothing. Stream usually sat at 0 viewers, got one chat message in like 50+ hours of streaming on it, and i concluded its not worth making thumbnails for streams no one watches, so i stopped for the time being.
Discoverability is trash for twitch too, without manually promoting your stream on other platforms or through other means you'll get 0 new native viewers. Seems to me like at least on youtube it gets shown to people ( and you can actually track those stats ) so if people don't click at all over weeks and months of doing it perhaps the title/game/thumbnail isn't it but on twitch the only way a random person clicks on your stream is if they scroll down on the category and most people just don't look beyond the first few rows at the top. Remember, the rule is always bigger number = better person when it comes to streaming, the content itself never comes first.
It'd be worth your while to give tik tok streaming a try if you're open to it. A lot of people who start there switch over to twitch or youtube anyways but it's way easier to be found by people there.
2:40 honestly Ludbuds are the only RUclips chat that has twitch chat “vibe” or anything similar, that’s thanks to truffle/emotes but culture is really an important factor for streams that I think is pretty underrated
I agree but I think it's still much worse than twitch chats. Rewatched the video with squeex the other day that had both chats on the screen and the difference was blatant
@@kirap7729 that’s fair, I was being pretty literal saying it’s the most similar I’ve seen, but the difference is still very apparent, streamers like DougDoug have tried that sorta set up too but his chat is normally chaos so it wasn’t much different (besides lack of emotes on YT) just more like each streamer has a certain style that often their chat will emulate, Ludbuds have had the “smoothest” transition in comparison to most
Linus and Luke from Linus Tech Tips talked about this a few weeks ago--Live streaming is vastly more costly than VOD because you can't leverage content distribution networks (CDNs) to cache content closer to where the viewers are. Twitch, which is owned by Amazon is still technically losing money and is trying to move to profitability by scaling up. RUclips, on the other hand, is profitable, but is trying to balance out new initiatives (such as live streaming twitch style) vs challenges such as the proliferation of adblocking, content moderation, and trying to keep advertisers happy. I don't forsee RUclips using live streaming to beat Twitch, more than using it to keep their VOD content creators happy and not totally losing out on emergent trends--not beating TikTok at their game before they took hold.
I do hope that the "Twitch abandoned SK" narrative is also accompanied by the fact that Twitch tried to stay there, but getting fucked by the KR Government and lack of net neutrality was the biggest factor for Twitch leaving. It was largely out of Twitch's control. As much as I like dumping on Twitch, that nuance is important to account for.
Agreed. I think that context is very important to keep in mind when discussing that. People also need to remember that Twitch has never been profitable. It doesn't matter that it is owned by Amazon, parent companies still want profits no matter how big. So if Twitch was already struggling to turn a profit, extremely high operating costs in South Korea certainly wouldn't help that situation.
I'm sure you're just joking but medical supplies often come in purple (why idk). The self-adhesive bandage wrap they use at all of my doctors offices are often that same color of purple as are their gloves often times.
I think its interesting that ludwig say that multi streaming generally isnt helpful if you want to be the biggest streamer. He said that this would "fracture" your viewership. But take twitch and youtube for example. People who watch twitch, wont watch your stream on youtube. There is little to no audience conflict. So the way i see it there isnt a downside to multi streaming. You in theory wont lose any viewers by being live on another platform with an entirely different audience. Your just expanding your content to that new set of viewers Kai cenat for example. If he multistreamed, his twitch viewers would likely remain exactly the same, but then you add on however many say, youtube viewers. I just dont see that point of view that lud said
i agree thats a solid point. his beef is it fractures communities. I agree with what u said and that's my plan is to do both. why not. they have such different audiences, and have their own pros and cons
Fun fact: in Brazil, some big twitch streamers left twitch for yt even without being paid. The main reason is bc Twitch pays in Brazil are really bad, and twitch relationship with streamers is bad.
As a programmer, I think you can fix the interaction problem by creating a program that takes all comments from multiple chats then feeds them to the streamer as if they were from the same site.
Against twitch TOS at the moment, presumably. Some streamers have asked if it’s okay and they aren’t getting answers. But we know it’s against tos for youtube chat to be on a twitch stream and labeled as youtube.
Personally if someone is multi streaming, example: Princezam, I usually pick twitch because of the chat system but even if I'm lurking I stay on twitch because of the channel points system. I only pick RUclips if I'm trying to sleep because I have premium and I can turn off the screen and listen while I sleep
Twitch does that because of dmca stuff if my memory serves correctly. That's not a problem for youtube streams because of their live dmca flagging system.
As a viewer, I’ve noticed that Twitch really focuses on a small set of live streamers while on RUclips I’ve been recommended live streams with viewers in the double digits or even single digits.
RUclips not fixing the chat for a better experience for the viewers and an actual moderation system for the streamer and mods is bricking the shit out of their growth/ development. The directory for finding live streams being non existent also plays an insane part. RUclips could actually be a great live streaming platform if they actually gave a shit because the vod system is beyond what anyone else could possibly try to do especially if they tried to today because they would always be playing catch up.
On the youtube vs twitch stream hours watched stats note, you also have to consider the fact that you can find livestreams in youtube shorts, meaning that people dont have to be actuvely deciding to watch livestreams to add to the total hours of livestreams watched
As someone who hardly ever watches streams, most of the RUclipsrs I watch also stream I just don't watch those, I like that RUclips isn't mainly streams. I like that these are separate platforms. It's fun hopping on twitch every now and then to see if one of the very few people I'm following on it are live. I also like how customized everyone's stuff is on twitch. RUclips streams just feel not as personalized and clunky, uncomfortable to use. I do find myself watching VODS or clips the RUclipsR POSTS as well as videos but never the livestream. I don't know. I just feel like streams on RUclips don't feel as nice.
Twitch ads suck, but they just make me watch other streamers or just click off the site to go to youtube videos. I hate youtube lives though. Also the international viewership doesn’t really matter because the ads are gonna be way lower lol.
8:40 This is a bit disingenuous.. Twitch got intentionally priced out of competing in the SK market due to immense monopolies, SK is incredibly late-stage capitalistic, almost distopianly so.
I tried Twitch for 5 years I would never go back the 2 things that did it for me I had to ban anything from 14 to 40 trolls per week on Twitch but on RUclips I don't get that in 6 months and also the earning potential on RUclips is waaaaay higher than Twitch like not even close.
You make a great point about YT being great for lurkers. One of the streamers I follow does multi-steams on Twitch and RUclips, but disables chat on YT due to the chatter experience on Twitch being better.
who gave the idea to twitch staff to add swiping and vertical swiping, its just makes things worst nobody wants . i go to watch 1h or 5h stream not 10s and swipe to next streamer.
I've been thinking about "livestreaming not being a priority for RUclips" over the past few days since Dan said it... I'm wonder if streaming just isn't that profitable from a business perspective for them. I've been hearing for years how Twitch isn't profitable (not sure if it's true or not)
It was true in the past. Not sure about now. Ads, as excessive as they can be, has been normalized on Twitch. They also put better incentives to sub to channels and use their premium service. It might be profitable now, with all those efforts.
i mean if you think about that, twitch now more aggressive with ads literally tell something. livestreaming isn't profitable as much as people think in business perspective, people hate ads on tv and now imagine if it also happens on internet live. while less ads on stream means less revenue for the platform from the advertisers, youtube can be profitable outside being biggest platform, they can put 2 ads at least on every videos. now imagine when livestream treated like VOD with 2 ads per stream while the stream cost higher and higher the longer they stream, it just not profitable, especially how youtube have less duration of ads and can be skipped. if youtube done with competing with tiktok and for some reason they able to formulate ads for stream to make it profitable, i guess in a year they can actually beat twitch considering now people already switching from tiktok to youtube short now
I'm surprised to not see any mentions of RUclips's recent technical shortcomings such as raid messages no longer appearing, bugs where chat suddenly didn't work or couldn't be captured anymore, waiting rooms becoming unable to stream to etcetera. Tbh, even as a chatter I prefer RUclips (I am not particularly a fan of super long streams with large swaths of uneventful streaming), but RUclips really seems to be fucking up their live-streaming service due to negligence. Interesting to see that the appeal of RUclips in Asia is not just vtubers though, it makes a lot of sense that this is a market they could corner more easily.
Twitch is just good in 2 situations: US/ENG Streams and Big, Already stablished streamers. RUclips live is turning HUGE here in Brazil. And you, small content creator, that is thinking about starting streaming, I HIGHLY Suggest youtube. even if you come from a english speaking country or speaks english on stream. If you dont speak english, its a no brainer.
14:31 My guess is that it’s something on the backend of YT; those videos are more “simple” with graphics that are predictable and are less intensive than gameplay streams (more predictable = able to be compressed more, so likely smaller in file size). Whereas gameplay streams, if you compress it too much then you won’t be able to see the web cam. Or you might not see the game. All of which is integral. Admittedly, these long game streams also get lots of engaged views, so it’s worth more (in super chats and interaction), whereas long simple streams could just be looped using YT’s loop feature.
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RUclips vod system is amazing, and being able to pause streams is a god send for people who can't sit at the screen every second of the many hour long stream. It sucks that youtube hasnt made their live space better because its so good in many ways but just not good enough to make streamers stay or move audiences for established Twitch streamers
On desktop I don't mind either but YT's mobile app still has a lot of issues, there's this annoying bug that doesn't save where you stopped at, if you start watching it on the computer, pause and open it on mobile it continues from the right spot but then if you close the video and reopen it it starts from 0, which is why I use a notepad to keep track of everything I'm watching on YT and Twitch.
Twitch's app is obviously worse now but watching VODs on it works fine, I just wish it had a dynamic compressor like YT to make the background sounds louder (like what FFZ does on Twitch through the browser).
I love being able to arrive late to a stream, scrub back to the start and watch on 2x speed till I am caught up. On Twitch I feel like I can't really join in because I missed so much - as incorrect as that may be, I still feel that way.
I love live on RUclips more than twitch
Simulcasting has been great for my viewing experience, better pausing/skipping downtime to catch back up to live, instant rewind and instant VODs that pick up where I left off. The only bad part is finding streams, and much much slower and worse chat.
If I’m watching an big esports events I’ll do it on here because chat is shit anyway
If twitch managed to mirror RUclips’s playback and video integration they would clean sweep youtube
Also LOVE how YTbers can shift an entire chat into a new stream or even to raid a friend's stream, that is really fun!
I love youtube streams so much because I can pause the stream come back unpause it and put it on 1.5 or 1.75x to catch back up without missing anything
yeah but then chat is always delayed or commenting at different times, so the live stream experience is not cohesive and kind of shit
that is definitely a pro for youtube, however in these replies there are already 2 cons i see lmao
And i like the vods better too
I usually just reload the chat by changing it between "top comments" and "all comments" @@cypher2251
@@cypher2251most people don't gaf about chat in the grand scheme of things I usually watch steams in the background while doing other things i don't understand how people just sit there and type into a void all day
The main two gripes I have against Twitch are the amount of ads and laggy VODs compared to how RUclips handles playback.
VODs are also behind a paywall.
This is WHY they'll never replace RUclips
adblockers exist :)
@@kerolokerokerolo They only worked for me on Twitch very briefly but then stopped working, lve tried all the custom scripts and special Twitch adblocker extensions
@@kerolokerokerolo I wish this was the answer, but twitch embeds the ads into the video stream, making them extremely difficult to block
ublock origin and some adblock code
As a lurker, as ludwig rightly said, youtube is SO much better as an experience than twitch. shorter ads (if any), the ability to pause, rewind with little to no buffer on playback? RUclips is goated for me! Really sad lily left youtube cause I loved her streams on here
it's the streamer that put the ads, so no, even on youtube some streamer can put 5min ads
Yeah I stopped watching sykkunno and lily after they left, I kinda miss them but I can't warrant using twitch I just don't like the experience that much but I understand why most do
Chat on RUclips is literally cancer
@@hander__s5 minute unskippable ads don’t exist on RUclips
@@Wilqu5677 there is literally no reason to chat in livestreams, tens of thousands are probably going to say what you were thinking.
I get why streamers prefer Twitch but I don't understand why viewers prefer Twitch. It's unwatchable. Twitch is just 90% ads and you can't rewind when you miss something.
I just like it better tbh, I think the UI is easier to understand and the features like redeems and bits are nice. Modding is also much better on Twitch, there's more tools to track and warn chatters. But yeah, YT does have a better vod experience and playback; honestly with one overhaul to the YT live I could see myself enjoying YT more
i get why people hate ad's i mean its obvious , but it also helps pay the content creator if its youtube twitch or any where that plays ad's. i get you are subscribed then you don't watch ad's on twitch or you subscribe to youtube + (wahtever its called) or twitch turbo , then you don't get ads. people don't have to subscribe or pay anything to enjoy the content a streamer does , its free. but watching the ad's is the best possible free way to support that content creator with out paying a dime.
I watch a few streamers who multi stream and I pop out the twitch chat and watch it on RUclips. Being able to rewind is so big.
I personally like the fact that I can watch streams on things that aren't my computer and so recieve a good experience.
100% the rewind, watch speed and the VOD system are the only better features YT has over Twitch. If you don't care about the chat at all like me you can watch either or both. That being said the Twitch ads have gotten SO out of hand and I have a YT subscription for ad free viewing, video downloads, background play + YT music, coming from someone who had Spotify Premium until early this year, it's not exactly cheap but considering im on YT daily and the music selection is miles better than Spotify it's worth the money to me.
I don't want to throw money at Twitch streamers JUST for no ads and chat emotes, it's really not worth it compared to how much I watch RUclips.
Kick has higher quality with vods and playback if not playback is coming very soon
just install chattarino
@@IamDoomii and if you're really fcking cheap, there's also less legal options to have a zero ad experience on youtube. Any way you slice it, the only thing twitch has over yt is the chat experience and even then 90% of twitch chat is just brainrot spam fest anyway, so you're not losing much. Lmao
As a lurker who never even reads chat I haven’t watched a twitch stream since Ludwig left. The only thing I care about is the playback and being able to pause or rewind then just watch in 1.5/2x speed to catch up is just so good. I also only watch on mobile and the twitch app is garbage.
Same. I first made a Twitch account during the pandemic, but now I don't use it anymore. I never got used to it, as someone who loves rewatching certain parts and catching up at 1.25 or 1.5 speed. When I catch a stream live and I've missed the beginning, I just go to the start and catch up lol. If streamers go back to Twitch, I think I'll just stay on youtube watching videos/streamers still here tbh.
I hate the recent update to the twitch app, I don't wanna open it and immediately have some stream open, I wanna immediately see the list of currently live streamers that I follow
Twitch UI is absolutely awful, I have no idea how people deal with it. It's buggy without cookies, has terrible playback features, buffers much more, and is much less lightweight than RUclips
The app became one of my favorite app on my phone to one of the worst in a single update...
yea. anytime i even think of watching a stream on twitch I get like 8 ads and leave immediately.
This is the type of mogul mail content that I actually enjoy, none of that namby pamby drama
Trueeeee
yeah, im glad he is going away from the drama stuff
Yeah I agree it’s more chill
Huge +1
exactly!
Dude Twitch destroyed the brazilian market on Twitch. They are stupid and have a small company mentality. The amount of money a streamer can make on Twitch as a Brazilian got sliced in 1/6 of the value. That's why non english speakers leave, they are trying to survive and the CEO of Twitch thinks of us as smaller, poor and "streamers are musicians playing on the streeet" (his words). We face streaming as a job, a career. RUclips is the best for non americans
He’s not wrong. That’s why so many streamers sell their content with paid subs and have other services for taking tips
I've been comparing streamers to musicians playing on the street for tips, for years
Yo Brazil needs to chill with there censorship, I hope yall are protesting over banning X.
@@lukeshioshio Thats a you issue bud.
Those musiians are only the same in the way that theyre trying to make it, theyre trying to find a platform...so saying that to people who" made it" and have the "platform" is a mockery. Street Musitians have the goal in the mind where it can be a career, streamers are at that goal, but it cant be career because the platform wont let it be
@@lukeshioshiothat’s not the case for established well earning or in this case formerly well earning streamers they’re more accurately like full time musicians who all of a sudden are loosing 83% of their income for no good reason
It's been a few months and I'm still absolutely gutted that Lily left RUclips. For all the reasons you mentioned it makes perfect sense why she would. But I don't have a Twitch account. The website is really laggy on my computer, I don't like the chat culture and I'm too old to understand the emotes and memes. I'm always on RUclips watching other videos, and I love being able to pop into streams and see what's happening. I have stopped watching Lily and Sykkuno since they left, only catching the occasional clip from clip channels and whatever they choose to post. But I seriously miss the comfy vibes after a long day of work. I'm very grateful Rae is still going to be here for the foreseeable future.
This is true, I hate twitch for all they've done, their platform performs like shit, you get 5 30 second ads ever 3 minutes of a live stream and their ui is just not good. People say RUclips has no 'chat culture' but honestly I don't think just doing saying exactly the opposite of what the streamer says and acting dumb isn't exactly funny 90% of the time and I just wanna be able to use RUclips and not go on that website
@@Moter. Streamers prioritise chat because those are the ones who donate $$$ for attention. Being a silent viewer helps their numbers and to get seen more but at the end of the day they want someone to send them $50 just to get a hello back
Ngl I really dont like RUclips chat at all, its incredibly sluggish in comparison. If we can get the insta VOD feature of youtube but have Twitch chat capability, I’d be all for it.
@@GaspoweR wdym by sluggish?
lily has vod channel where the twitch vods get put up on yt. and a fan has done the same for sykkuno. if the chat isnt important to you you can watch those
Things RUclips could do to massively improve livestreaming:
-On your subscription page, let you filter by All, Video, Live, or Shorts
-If the streamer has the DVR feature active, don't allow people to chat unless they are watching what is currently live (big reason everyone keeps this otherwise great feature off)
-Better moderation tools (like messaging users to warn them, or a system to review bans)
-Longer than 12 hour streams
-Improve the gaming / live pages, and make live a section at the top of the site like shorts
-Better native emotes
Also reducing the amount of ads
@@kdaakali7237 ublock origin / revanced
Changing subscription page won't do shit, because only power users use such kind of stuff. It's probably less than 5% of the user base
@@kdaakali7237 ads on youtube set by the creator. they can literally put ads every 5 mins, youtube only automatically put ads on beginning
the first thing you mentioned is already possible, so points to them for that
The thing about RUclips is that it's convenient. I'm already subscribed to your channel, I see you streaming, I just click. Not everyone has a twitch, also rewind is good
I think the biggest factor is bargaining power. As streamers and entrepreneurs, they can’t continue to stream on YT for free after YT just gave them a BAG for 2 years to do it. We know YT has probably stopped doing contracts, but streamers completely lose all leverage if they keep streaming for free.
Didn't twitch stop giving contracts too?
The leverage is lost because nobody is signing contracts, not because streamers are continuing to stream on RUclips without them. If other services started ramping up their contracts again, then leverage would return.
This argument makes no sense, Twitch doesn't do contracts anymore either.
what do you mean stream for free? You start streaming on twitch for free.
It makes the most sense to start dual streaming because some people only engage with one platform.
@@GameFuMaster they were paid to be on RUclips. If they stay on RUclips for free when the contract ends then it lowers their leverage. This is about RUclips paying for top talent, not new streamers
i disagree that lurkers dont care for chat, ive never been much into chatting myself but love reading it
same here
RUclips allowing you to pause streams, go back a few seconds or minutes to see what you missed, then skip back to live, is so good.
RUclips chat is horrendous
0:40 why you gotta do bottom bro dirty like that lol
Bro I was thinking that
I thought he was disabled at first
Dude how do you even get there
I swear Lud did that on purpose lmao
😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a viewer RUclips is so much better of a platform for watching streams imo, on both desktop and mobile the video player is so much better and the overall ad experience is a billion times better, trying to watch anything on twitch is contantly interupted with several minutes of ads before even being able to start watching streamers.
This part. I don't know what ad blockers people use where they keep saying they can block all the ads on twitch, but with turbo, I can't get rid of it, and it's the most frustrating thing! I used to be a regular on multiple streams, but I'm not watching 5 minutes of ads front loaded!
@@rexana_rexanaUblock origin with some script you need to add and you won't see an ad again. Look it up.
@@rexana_rexana ublock origin, arguably the most common adblock, blocks every ad on twitch with barely any tweaking
@@rexana_rexanathis so me. 7,8-9 years back I used to watch xqc playing overwatch with him having only 100 viewers or less. Now everytime I try to go to his stream, I just turn it off before it starts showing him streaming. Them ads be too much man.
0:30 Why'd you do bro on the bottom dirty like that LMAO
That was some devious work right there 😂
I came to the comments looking for someone to mention this LMFAO
Devious work
ikr lmaooo
😭
0:45 that pause 😂😂😂😂
Hahaha I’m so glad you saw this too. That’s crazy right?!😂😂😂😂
bro's mogging
You gotta stay on RUclips, the amount of ads on twitch makes it unbearable to watch and often causes people like me to leave streams early. Waiting 2-3 mins just to get back to a stream is awful. I understand you can sub and avoid ads, but I feel like I shouldn't have to pay to watch streams.
True. I just bought twitch turbo, most of my favorite content creators are Twitch main
Twitch is absolute ass and as much as people are switching back, I don't think it'll last that long with the twitch product continually getting worse.
@@dracwahlssTwitch is like the Apple of livestream, it's an inferior product, but Americans love it. There's just more quality eyeballs on twitch than youtube.
@@dracwahlss I don't think Twitch will fall since other streaming platforms are still not getting better. There's reason streamers that goes to RUclips, Kick and Rumble came back to Twitch. Other platforms need to do better for streaming
@yololoyo7379 I mean, it's already failing. It doesn't make money, and it's just used as a tax write-off for Amazon. The viewing experience is continually getting worse, but it's defended because of the tiny bit better community features? Twitch is the same as Apple, a more expensive and simple product that's not necessarily a better product but is "hip" 🤣🤣
The accident changed him… (hope you’re good)
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friendly damage will not be tolerated
@@Middhas_ real
The accident did change him (not his arm, but he shit himself)
I never saw a bot reply to a reply
On the "RUclips has no chat culture" Its only western streamers who seems to have no chat culture, because Vtubers chatrooms have a culture that is similar to the twitch culture. Also another point for RUclips is that their mobile app doesn't suck! Who thought it was a good idea to copy Tiktok UI on Twitch?!
i mean, they kinda do, but also youtube vtuber streams are more general emote flood (like twitch) and superchats (donos) over really being able to interact with the raw chat. And then you have sites like nico nico douga where chat goes across the screen which produces another culture
The Twitch update was good because they FINALLY provided a method of general discoverability for small streamers.
You can now be algorithmically recommended. Both your streams and your clips! That was never possible on Twitch before the update!
@@SaltSpiritsok.. the ui still ass
this is true, youtube vtuber chat culture actually exist for almost 10 years. but any vtubers that from english speaking country that don't follow the "classic" vtubers lingo that mostly from oktaku words, they just basically twitch chatters which is just normies. most of twitch vtuber also treat superchat as donation while the viewers who use supperchat are mostly don't use superchat as donation instead as a way to speak their thoughts, this is not limited to vtuber but native youtube streamers for example like the united stand (football fan channel from UK), all superchaters use superchat as way to speak their mind/discussion not just to the streamer but also to people who watch the stream as the superchat highlighted and now people can leave comment on it. most of the time twitch streamer that use youtube stream don't treat the superchat like what it should be and left viewers just not interested to superchat them
i do think there could be more effort to make a culture from creators. a lot of pessimism that just kinda allows them to not. i enjoy what ludwig does cause i like valorant
It's weird how live streaming isn't a priority for RUclips, yet their live streaming infrastructure is superior to Twitch. I don't really get why the viewership is better for streamers on Twitch either. It's like live streams get ranked down on RUclips's algo.
It's because of the methods of which they are trying to push live streams into the algorithm. They keep making random ones show up while people scroll through shorts, and no one wants to stop scrolling for a random live stream, so they will always get instantly passed. Then the algorithm sees this as "people don't want live streams" so it never gets pushed anywhere else on the site and when you go to the live streaming section, it has no idea what type of streams you want to see because it's been trained with bogus data of you constantly swiping past live streams automatically on the shorts. RUclips just needs to understand their own algorithm better than they currently do
@@stickmandaninacanthis
@@stickmandaninacanalso because RUclips is so much more than just a live streaming site. It’s the biggest music and video streaming service in the world, they have their priorities in other things.
RUclips actively makes streams difficult to find. The reason why Twitch does better is their interactive features. RUclips is verrrrry slowly implementing similar features, but nowhere near enough to make it as enjoyable of an experience to watch as a stream on twitch. RUclips also has an absolutely abhorrent and easily manipulated copyright flagging system which makes it 50x more difficult to stream.
Coz of Twitch chat. It's hard to interact in yt chat. You can't even reply to anyone. Even tktk live chat builds community. You can also follow others in chat for twitch and tktk. Message and Block them if you don't like. Either way, users get a lot of interaction with streamers and other viewers. There's a community. You can't even do that here even in the comments.
Not making a video on the new Twitch drama?
I've always massively preferred the viewing experience on youtube than twitch. You can pause/rewind streams midway, VODs are infinitely easier to go through, the player window just looks nicer with less clutter, etc. I don't even watch twitch streams because of how much less usable that site is, from a casual viewing experience.
I detest Twitch because the advertisements are incessant and you never get to see the content you want to see. More importantly, though, my internet is generally too bad for Twitch, while RUclips works just fine.
Twitch or RUclips I literally see no difference but RUclips as a platform is much better than whatever Twitch tries to do. It is a pain to use Twitch website.
Also, Twitch is very slow in my country, and that's why I will always prefer youtube
It’s way easier to use twitch imo you just have to load up twitch and it shows everyone who is live
Plus I find twitch ads ruin the live VOD
@@belleslovinit true
also on mobile the difference is hugeee. I cant believe twitch still hasnt figured out a good mobile solution
My only issue with RUclips is the fact that RUclips spent a butt load of money on creators who are generally liked within the space (Lud, Lily, Lupo, etc.) and then they decided to do... nothing with that momentum... Sure they announced gifting memberships, like months after buying out streamers... No events, no improving the UI of RUclips Gaming, no stream into shorts integration. Literally nothing. It just seems like RUclips wanted to do something in the streaming space but then got too scared for literally no reason.
The lack of follow through is perplexing. I get the impression that RUclips's approach to platform development is fundamentally lazy. They don't do anything until a threat pops up no matter how many complaints they get. If profits dip then they do the minimum to maintain their titan status, then go back to sleep.
I think that was a strategic decision -- as in a conscious change in direction by RUclips management. In another Mogul Mail (I think it was the RUclipsrs retiring one), Ludwig talked about how RUclips was really focusing on YT Shorts since so much of their viewership is coming from it (and it competes with the much bigger platform, TikTok).
I think RUclips got into this live stream gaming space and has since decided that it's "3rd fiddle" to shorts, videos, etc.
I think it is because of RUclips's big shift to bury livestreaming in YT, they don't see streaming profitable anymore as twitch is no longer a contender since there's like 3 or more other streaming platforms to combat. It also heavily shifted to RUclips Shorts, a much more profitable space compared to streaming since short content creators earn less while giving them more viewers and new users who gets addicted to those shorts. Plus, RUclips users are 20~30x more than twitch users, what's left to milk at that point?
the purple bandages while he is talking about people switching to twitch is crazy
@jimmyyfga-p8n WTF bro
@@GavinNotNewsom its a bot, report them, dont reply to them or else they are less likely to get banned
As a lurker that mostly watches events I cannot stand the twitch app anymore, esp on mobile where it’s completely unusable.
Timthetatman and Nickmercs: We're never streaming COD again
Also them:
I much prefer watching live streams on RUclips over twitch for various reasons. First off, I don't get ads at all on RUclips, whereas the ads on twitch are obnoxious. Second, the quality on RUclips just seems to be better. It looks better, it doesn't lag as hard when I pop out the video player, there's less buffering, and the audio doesn't have an aneurysm after every ad (and again, I get none). Finally, the ability to rewind a stream is so good
The point about lurkers vs chatters and RUclips stream culture being stronger in other countries/languages is on point.
literally the only change ive noticed for yt streaming is that you can see it one someones profile pic that someone is streaming
I both like and hate that feature bc it will take me to their stream when I'm trying to just go to their channel.
But it's not like twitch is better. Have to sit through the ads that play when I load a stream to be able to go to their profile on mobile.
9:22 Vietnamese here, Nimo usually boost their view, so 130k is usually not 130k. However Mixigaming stream on youtube daily before switching to Nimo due to his contract with Nimo and average around 80-90k, 100k if he have something to show for, his big event usually average around 200k viewers on youtube. Even though that sounds like alot, during the pandemic he average around 160-200k viewer every single night so even with this insane number, he still considered that this is a falloff.
Twitch also has "fake" live streams, where you can watch a TV channel all day, some TV series episodes, etc is that also counted in the total hours?
14:12 I actually was read somewhere that youtube has capped video length at 12 hours. However they said legacy videos that were uploaded before this change were grandfathered in.
this had to have been a super recent change, I’ve seen videos from less than a year ago over 12 hours
I have not noticed that trend
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@@Kleric69420 yo i am about to click on this link
@@dizzyteaa rip soldier
also there is 0 reason not to multi-stream.
I only noticed it when he pointed it out
Lud covering aqua graduation is still so surreal to me
I feel like he lost some nuance there though. It would have detracted from the point he was trying to make, but Aqua quitting streaming after streaming for 6 years is more monumental than Kai and Speed streaming some Minecraft. I think if the stream was "Ludwig's final stream" or "Kai's final stream" it would have way surpassed the 700k peak viewership that was mentioned.
@@schmintendonteh, she’ll just go to doing indie vtuber things like every other person that “graduates”
@@Senaru oh for sure but it's still monumental as she had been streaming with Hololive for 6 years, and she's the first one to voluntarily graduate with no controversy or anything surrounding it. She essentially pulled a Tom Scott or Matpat and "quit" at the height of her career.
@@schmintendont what does mean graduate like they're quitting or going solo
@@omar7729Going solo or joining another agency
I think the biggest problem on RUclips is that it's nearly impossible to find some streams, some streaming categories literally can not be found like coding streams. I asked a few of my friends if they knew how to get to the live streaming section on RUclips and nearly none of them knew how
I MUCH prefer youtube livestreams as a viewer. Being able to rewind and pause without going to a different page and loading up an incomplet vod that automatically stops up to where it ends when you loaded the page... is wonderful
I hate watching things on twitch, because the ads are unskippable and you always miss content, but for me more importantly my internet is usually too shit for twitch but RUclips is fine
dan is right though, youtube live needs more priority
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I will never watch things on twitch. The first time i tried going back after a long break. They showed me 5 unskippable ads in a row. Averaging between 30-45 seconds. Not worth it. I'm not paying for it either.
RUclips ads are pretty bad, but twitch ads are so much worse
Way prefer to pay $12/m for RUclips with no ads, background play and skip ahead + yt music, than $12/m for twitch with no ads
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this is a breath of fresh air for mogul mail content, no drama bs.. just updates on the streaming world. thank you mr. oul mail
0:32 that freeze frame is insane
Honestly I hate trying to use twitch. For some reason it never lets me watch streams in 1080p without huge buffering problems. Meanwhile on RUclips I can easily watch streams on whatever the highest quality is 1ithout any buffering.
I can't stand going on Twitch because of all the ads, and I don't have enough money to pay the the $18 CAD monthly to block ads on Twitch. Ludwig is one of the only live streamers I watch on RUclips aside maybe from time to time vtubers. Other than that, I'm a "RUclips frog" as they commonly say on Twitch. Maybe it's because I'm too old (33) or not enough used to it but I've never understood that "chat culture" you mentioned. To me it's just lots of emojis scrolling by, spoilers, or jokes mocking the streamer. I don't see any difference between Twitch chat and RUclips, aside that the emojis are different.
There's a TON of interactive features, and I'm assuming for example that Ludwig has implemented voice donations with different voices on here. That of course originated on twitch. A ton of twitch streamers actually implement AI voices of their friends now via donations. There's also multiple ways of doing it on twitch. Bits, cheers, subscribing, and gifting subscriptions are examples of ways to do this. Then you have channel points which are earned by watch time. Those can be redeemed to trigger things to play on the stream, which I believe bits can do as well. It can be sounds or videos that are triggered. Lastly, there are hype trains, which encourage people to participate by going up levels. This is accomplished by compiling all of the above and enough of that crap at once being sent by the chat will trigger a hype train bar to show in the chat. Each streamer having their own emotes is a way to build community as well. I'm honestly probably missing a lot of other features, but all I've seen RUclips do recently is allow personalized emotes.
Tbf RUclips ads when it comes to streaming happen every 6 minutes
@@thelegendoflivzThe second I hear voiced donations I'm out. It might work to keep the attention of a 5-year old, but there is zero chance I'm staying. Makes the archive unwatchable as well.
@@kaminekoch.7465voice donation is actually primarily for the streamer, if they're doing something that requires focus and aren't actively reading chat
@@thelegendoflivz I agree with you, I had not thought of all this because I don't use Twitch anymore, so thank you for your comment, it's very enlightening. However, all those interactive features are made to support and give more money to the streamer, but also getting their attention. It's all linked to the income and parasocial aspect of streaming. I personally don't find lights flashings in the streamer's room all that alluring, but I guess I'm just not really fun at parties, as I said, I'm not their primary target. Sounds triggered are kind of annoying (to me). I do understand how better it is for the streamer, and how it is more interactive for their community, indeed. But if you're just there for the content and watch the streamer, it's not that much of a plus as a viewer.
my only complaint with youtube streaming as a lurker is not being able to see how long into a stream you are if you’re behind, you only see the negative amount you’re behind on live but i can deal with that
I love that fireplace stream, I play it while I'm reading with some candles lit, it's chill AF.
Twitch is getting carried by twitch prime subs. Outside of NA people mostly don't have prime, so less financial incentive to try twitch if your not going for english speaking audience.
6:16 But the qr code next to Elon says scan😢
I scanned it. Can’t steal what I don’t have
0:20 I’m sorry but I audibly gasped when I saw a GigaChad chin in the voice call
That’s Wake, he’s chill. P
I prefer the watching livestreams on YT so much and it makes watching on Twitch almost insufferable because I can't rewind or start skip around (especially if I'm late to stream).
As someone who doesn't watch live (because I live in Finland, the streams happen while I sleep), I've never had issues with RUclips. As he says in the video, the VOD experience is just much much better on YT than on Twitch.
i havent been much on twitch cuz the ads are overbearing. at least on youtube, i can block the ads. i dont feel back cuz the creators i enjoy, might miss out on adsense, i instead end up buying other stuff that gives them better profit margins without a company taking a huge cut. so its a win-win. whats also crazy to think about it is, that most of the streaming services, all if not most use amazon web services. no matter which site you use, amazon (the owners of twitch) still makes bank off of it.
as an ipad baby and youtube premium user i will always choose to watch on youtube or just rewatch a twitch vod on here. i have had some good multistream chat experiences as the youtube chat is smaller and youll get to actually talk to a bunch of people. true, the streamer usually doesn’t pay much attention, but i dont really care.
lofi girl should not count as a streamer, its backwards for the system to count it considering its not a real person, hell its not even a bot. it's a stream of some folder filled with mp3s and a gif
I dipped my toes into youtube live streaming, at least multicasting, and i got absolutely nothing. Stream usually sat at 0 viewers, got one chat message in like 50+ hours of streaming on it, and i concluded its not worth making thumbnails for streams no one watches, so i stopped for the time being.
Discoverability is trash for twitch too, without manually promoting your stream on other platforms or through other means you'll get 0 new native viewers. Seems to me like at least on youtube it gets shown to people ( and you can actually track those stats ) so if people don't click at all over weeks and months of doing it perhaps the title/game/thumbnail isn't it but on twitch the only way a random person clicks on your stream is if they scroll down on the category and most people just don't look beyond the first few rows at the top. Remember, the rule is always bigger number = better person when it comes to streaming, the content itself never comes first.
It'd be worth your while to give tik tok streaming a try if you're open to it. A lot of people who start there switch over to twitch or youtube anyways but it's way easier to be found by people there.
this is the mogul mail i subscribed to!! glad you stepping out of the drama for more actual streaming industry knowledge stuff
2:40 honestly Ludbuds are the only RUclips chat that has twitch chat “vibe” or anything similar, that’s thanks to truffle/emotes but culture is really an important factor for streams that I think is pretty underrated
I agree but I think it's still much worse than twitch chats. Rewatched the video with squeex the other day that had both chats on the screen and the difference was blatant
@@kirap7729 that’s fair, I was being pretty literal saying it’s the most similar I’ve seen, but the difference is still very apparent, streamers like DougDoug have tried that sorta set up too but his chat is normally chaos so it wasn’t much different (besides lack of emotes on YT) just more like each streamer has a certain style that often their chat will emulate, Ludbuds have had the “smoothest” transition in comparison to most
4:47 "Did they fell'd off?"
"I'm an English major"
It’s on purpose
Linus and Luke from Linus Tech Tips talked about this a few weeks ago--Live streaming is vastly more costly than VOD because you can't leverage content distribution networks (CDNs) to cache content closer to where the viewers are. Twitch, which is owned by Amazon is still technically losing money and is trying to move to profitability by scaling up. RUclips, on the other hand, is profitable, but is trying to balance out new initiatives (such as live streaming twitch style) vs challenges such as the proliferation of adblocking, content moderation, and trying to keep advertisers happy. I don't forsee RUclips using live streaming to beat Twitch, more than using it to keep their VOD content creators happy and not totally losing out on emergent trends--not beating TikTok at their game before they took hold.
0:54 what a good frame to stop on
reminds me of when technoblade had like 800k+ watching him at one point during live but I forget time stamp I think it was around 4:00
TECHNOBLADE NEVER DIES
HE WAS LEGEND AND IS LEGEND
sorry of caps
I think it's the MCC with dream
@@kadenfw that one and I also think basically all of his dream smp streams had 600k+
I do hope that the "Twitch abandoned SK" narrative is also accompanied by the fact that Twitch tried to stay there, but getting fucked by the KR Government and lack of net neutrality was the biggest factor for Twitch leaving. It was largely out of Twitch's control. As much as I like dumping on Twitch, that nuance is important to account for.
agreed!! hope more ppl see this
Yeah, I was gonna add this very fact to that snippet
wait what happened?
@@hns397 Twitch's operating costs were too high in Korea because they were being charged extra for bandwidth use.
Agreed. I think that context is very important to keep in mind when discussing that. People also need to remember that Twitch has never been profitable. It doesn't matter that it is owned by Amazon, parent companies still want profits no matter how big. So if Twitch was already struggling to turn a profit, extremely high operating costs in South Korea certainly wouldn't help that situation.
"I'm not going back to Twitch... very happy on RUclips"
Says the man with the specific purple shade bandages 🤨
I'm sure you're just joking but medical supplies often come in purple (why idk). The self-adhesive bandage wrap they use at all of my doctors offices are often that same color of purple as are their gloves often times.
@@Apropoetic Cool. Thank you.
He's switching back to twitch. He's waffling bc he still has a yt contract
I think its interesting that ludwig say that multi streaming generally isnt helpful if you want to be the biggest streamer.
He said that this would "fracture" your viewership. But take twitch and youtube for example. People who watch twitch, wont watch your stream on youtube. There is little to no audience conflict. So the way i see it there isnt a downside to multi streaming. You in theory wont lose any viewers by being live on another platform with an entirely different audience.
Your just expanding your content to that new set of viewers
Kai cenat for example. If he multistreamed, his twitch viewers would likely remain exactly the same, but then you add on however many say, youtube viewers.
I just dont see that point of view that lud said
i agree thats a solid point. his beef is it fractures communities. I agree with what u said and that's my plan is to do both. why not. they have such different audiences, and have their own pros and cons
0:30 Nahh u did him dirty
Fun fact: in Brazil, some big twitch streamers left twitch for yt even without being paid.
The main reason is bc Twitch pays in Brazil are really bad, and twitch relationship with streamers is bad.
As a programmer, I think you can fix the interaction problem by creating a program that takes all comments from multiple chats then feeds them to the streamer as if they were from the same site.
Against twitch TOS at the moment, presumably. Some streamers have asked if it’s okay and they aren’t getting answers.
But we know it’s against tos for youtube chat to be on a twitch stream and labeled as youtube.
i remember watching a streamer that has 3 platform chat on 1 chat with logo infront of their name to indicate which platform they're from
That has existed forever
There's a ton of ways to do this already. If a streamer isn't doing it they're being lazy.
not really, as chat also needs to interact with eachother on a very macro level. so i feel like it will feel kinda seperate.
Personally if someone is multi streaming, example: Princezam, I usually pick twitch because of the chat system but even if I'm lurking I stay on twitch because of the channel points system. I only pick RUclips if I'm trying to sleep because I have premium and I can turn off the screen and listen while I sleep
RUclips allowing a quick rewind if you missed something in the stream is absolutely amazing for viewers. Twitch not allowing that is so dumb
Twitch does that because of dmca stuff if my memory serves correctly. That's not a problem for youtube streams because of their live dmca flagging system.
YT streams are so much better for the user. I am never using twitch (although I rarely watch streams anyway)
As a viewer, I’ve noticed that Twitch really focuses on a small set of live streamers while on RUclips I’ve been recommended live streams with viewers in the double digits or even single digits.
i got recommended to a lot of streamer with less than 10 ccv and never watched them once. on twitch, they really "big get bigger, small get smaller"
That's really accurate, youtube's way more likely to push recommendations based on actual relevance over popularity like twitch does.
RUclips not fixing the chat for a better experience for the viewers and an actual moderation system for the streamer and mods is bricking the shit out of their growth/ development. The directory for finding live streams being non existent also plays an insane part. RUclips could actually be a great live streaming platform if they actually gave a shit because the vod system is beyond what anyone else could possibly try to do especially if they tried to today because they would always be playing catch up.
On the youtube vs twitch stream hours watched stats note, you also have to consider the fact that you can find livestreams in youtube shorts, meaning that people dont have to be actuvely deciding to watch livestreams to add to the total hours of livestreams watched
12:40 you can stream for more than 12 hours, YT will not save beyond 12hrs
Point of order: Twitch did not abandon South Korea, South Korea forced Twitch out.
As someone who hardly ever watches streams, most of the RUclipsrs I watch also stream I just don't watch those, I like that RUclips isn't mainly streams. I like that these are separate platforms. It's fun hopping on twitch every now and then to see if one of the very few people I'm following on it are live. I also like how customized everyone's stuff is on twitch. RUclips streams just feel not as personalized and clunky, uncomfortable to use. I do find myself watching VODS or clips the RUclipsR POSTS as well as videos but never the livestream. I don't know. I just feel like streams on RUclips don't feel as nice.
Twitch ads suck, but they just make me watch other streamers or just click off the site to go to youtube videos. I hate youtube lives though. Also the international viewership doesn’t really matter because the ads are gonna be way lower lol.
Holy, shit I was there watching during all the clips from Tim's Twitch stream that were used. Fucking crazy how many subs he got yesterday.
8:40 This is a bit disingenuous.. Twitch got intentionally priced out of competing in the SK market due to immense monopolies, SK is incredibly late-stage capitalistic, almost distopianly so.
Damn, good thing the country we are in isn't hurdling headfirst into something extremely similar to that, that would suck even more
should probably elaborate when using twitch abandoning south korea as an example for lack of investment in asian streaming markets
The korean ISPs targeted twitch with unsustainable bandwidth fees
Welcome back ludwig
I tried Twitch for 5 years I would never go back the 2 things that did it for me I had to ban anything from 14 to 40 trolls per week on Twitch but on RUclips I don't get that in 6 months and also the earning potential on RUclips is waaaaay higher than Twitch like not even close.
You make a great point about YT being great for lurkers. One of the streamers I follow does multi-steams on Twitch and RUclips, but disables chat on YT due to the chatter experience on Twitch being better.
The purple bandages are crazy
who gave the idea to twitch staff to add swiping and vertical swiping, its just makes things worst nobody wants . i go to watch 1h or 5h stream not 10s and swipe to next streamer.
I've been thinking about "livestreaming not being a priority for RUclips" over the past few days since Dan said it... I'm wonder if streaming just isn't that profitable from a business perspective for them. I've been hearing for years how Twitch isn't profitable (not sure if it's true or not)
It was true in the past. Not sure about now. Ads, as excessive as they can be, has been normalized on Twitch. They also put better incentives to sub to channels and use their premium service. It might be profitable now, with all those efforts.
i mean if you think about that, twitch now more aggressive with ads literally tell something. livestreaming isn't profitable as much as people think in business perspective, people hate ads on tv and now imagine if it also happens on internet live. while less ads on stream means less revenue for the platform from the advertisers, youtube can be profitable outside being biggest platform, they can put 2 ads at least on every videos. now imagine when livestream treated like VOD with 2 ads per stream while the stream cost higher and higher the longer they stream, it just not profitable, especially how youtube have less duration of ads and can be skipped. if youtube done with competing with tiktok and for some reason they able to formulate ads for stream to make it profitable, i guess in a year they can actually beat twitch considering now people already switching from tiktok to youtube short now
@@HeroMysticLYXI'm not sure RUclips wants to follow Twitch's footsteps. They are already dealing with the ad war on normal videos
I'm surprised to not see any mentions of RUclips's recent technical shortcomings such as raid messages no longer appearing, bugs where chat suddenly didn't work or couldn't be captured anymore, waiting rooms becoming unable to stream to etcetera. Tbh, even as a chatter I prefer RUclips (I am not particularly a fan of super long streams with large swaths of uneventful streaming), but RUclips really seems to be fucking up their live-streaming service due to negligence.
Interesting to see that the appeal of RUclips in Asia is not just vtubers though, it makes a lot of sense that this is a market they could corner more easily.
Starting to get real worried about Mogul Mail, hope he is okay!
Twitch is just good in 2 situations: US/ENG Streams and Big, Already stablished streamers.
RUclips live is turning HUGE here in Brazil.
And you, small content creator, that is thinking about starting streaming, I HIGHLY Suggest youtube. even if you come from a english speaking country or speaks english on stream.
If you dont speak english, its a no brainer.
Ok but where do viewers find the streams? Theres no directory like twitch. How are people supposed to find you?
so happy my kamioshi pekora mentioned
Dude in top right at 1:00 looks like gigachad 😂
Thats Wakewilder lol
The dude below is paused at the best time
That's wake he's jacked asf he owns a gym with mizkif
11:49 Aqua mentioned
Onion love reaches worldwide
14:31 My guess is that it’s something on the backend of YT; those videos are more “simple” with graphics that are predictable and are less intensive than gameplay streams (more predictable = able to be compressed more, so likely smaller in file size). Whereas gameplay streams, if you compress it too much then you won’t be able to see the web cam. Or you might not see the game. All of which is integral.
Admittedly, these long game streams also get lots of engaged views, so it’s worth more (in super chats and interaction), whereas long simple streams could just be looped using YT’s loop feature.
0:35 the guy at the bottom got done dirty with that pause
they really gotta fix the 12 hour vod thing
don't worry guys, I won't leave youtube
Bro I care more about you than THIS clown with the haircut.
torment
Aww