ATTENTION!! EVERYONE NAMED OR SHOWN IS NOT DESERVING OF HARASSMENT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL ABOUT THEM. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REACH OUT AND HARASS ANYONE ON A TOPIC YOU JUST LEARNED ABOUT 5 MINUTES AGO THAT IS WEIRD TO EVERYONE ELSE hope ur havin a good day :D
As an IT guy hearing their lab results were wrong was highly upsetting. I don't have the funds to run a lab like that so I rely on those results as a metric when discussing hardware and now there's a chance I've been talking out of my ass because they goofed their quality control.
@@commanderjericho My bad, since the main example were the mouse feet protectors, I thought it was in that realm of their content. Even so, still not a bad idea to cross reference performance stats from different channels.
I just don’t understand why when even Linus himself admits they don’t have enough time for videos, he himself couldn’t do anything about it until the situation blew up
Capitalist sigma grindset man. He has a commitment to all his fans to get videos out because all over the world people tun in and depend on him man. What are they gonna do if a video doesn't come out? Watch Big Bang Theory? Actually they could do that and it would be just as worthy of their time IMO
it is really just greedy mindset or rather as doclime said Capitalist mindset that most people have just produce produce produce money more more ore and quality goes out of windows
Because he should be responsible and prioritize quality vs just making videos pulled out of his behind, people make purchasing decision based on his reviews
Correction @ 9:13 It wasn't a response on floatplane, it was a response on the LTT forums. Sounds sorta insignificant because they are in control of both, but floatplane is paywalled, so it would look even worse if a response was paywalled
Also ludwig forgot to mention that Linus/LTT told the company two times they were gonna give back the prototype, but they never did and auctioned insteed.
I think that's the solution to the problem he raised that he "doesn't know the solution to yet". give offbrand to the employees. He said it himself, a normal company doesn't need a ceo.
@@pedrogarcia8706 I think you may guys may be mixing up owners and CEOs. An owner doesn't actually need to do anything, they can just sit back and get returns (although often they do get involved). A CEO is a paid employee that manages some aspect of the company. The employees can jointly own the company, but they don't have to run it like a democracy - in many cases it's still better to have an experienced CEO making big picture strategic decisions so that employees can focus on performing in their roles.
I'm really happy to see that you're thinking about not only your future, but the future of the people you employ. I feel like not enough creators look past the mountain tops of money they're making at the peak of their RUclips fame and I just feel dread when I think about where they might end up. I'm just glad there's some rational people in the industry. Way to go!
Thanks a lot for the overview of this drama. I follow both, and I saw a few videos regarding this, and I was so lost from where it began. Now everything makes sense.
I think it's cause to him, LMG is still him and he is LMG. Guy built his empire from the ground up and is hella invested in its success. Bad way to run a business but it happens
I mean tbh if I created something and someone was trashing in any way or negative reviewing it I would be pissed about and take it personal. I think most people might. Hell some people might just take this Comment personal.
@@PerfectSense77what irony? He genuinely seems like a pretty chill guy based on his RUclips persona. Doesn't mean we know he is. We don't lmao. But it's a fair assumption I'd say
i remember watching the original billet labs video and being like "... wait they're just gonna put it on the wrong card?" and then after he said the product was bad i was f****n shocked. like dude linus you CANT do that. that could end a small company....
The trend of immediately commentating and reacting to a situation immediately after it starts trending is something I always hated in social media, and I'm glad you're trying to break that behavior. It makes you a much more level-headed and reliable source of information. I believe that stride for accuracy over content far far outweighs any loss in views you suffer, good on you Lud
Really what additional information was provided to you in this video that wasn't available 12 days ago when he made the original video except you know the self promotion at the end?
@@Hanclok he made it concise without us having to keep up with drama at all through Twitter and other sites, he also gave his two cents as an observer and if he were to make it as the drama just started, he will be inaccurate and come off as an ignorant individual. Having all the context of a situation is a must, it's part of the critical thinking. It may have seemed that he only plugged his team, but at the start, he gave his two cents as a business owner on what Linus said about companies.
The sad thing is somebody need to report/publish this event. Imo the correct thing is just telling the "meat" and not adding any "spice" (read: comment) on top of it.
He literally used to do what you described, until a coulpe of months ago. Am I the only one remembering how both him and Charlie jumped on the Mizkif's stuff last year?
One addition regarding the Billet Labs thing: "just give us the money" may sound weird, but they posted their reasoning on the LTT reddit (I believe). It's a combination of: - A new prototype is already in production - It's uncertain how long it would take to receive it - There is no guarantee that the prototype still works if it was in random people's hands This could also be a huge problem if the block was auctioned to competitors... Quite messed up Edit: There's comment stating that Billet Labs only wanted the prototype back after shit hit the fan. In LTT's first apology video, there is a screenshot of the email correspondence between the two parties, in which can be seen that Billet Labs originally allowed LMG to keep it, but then asked to get it back when Linus disliked the product. This seems to have happened before August 10th. Probably just fanboys in the comments...
Billet needs to bear their own share of responsibility for what happened. LMG screwed some things up, but Billet also didn't take care to communicate their expectations clearly or take measures to ensure their investment was protected if it was so important to them as they claim. For example, they told LMG at one point "you can try it on a 4090," which is what they did in the video, and then got upset that they tested it on a 4090 and the numbers didn't turn out great. Then when LMG tried to send it back to them they told them "you can keep it," and then seemingly changed their minds after LMG put it up for charity auction because LMG didn't have any use for it. The ideas that the company was stalled because they no longer had their prototype (which Billet claimed was the case), or that the block could end up in the hands of competitors which could somehow reveal some kind of trade secrets (which I believe was purely speculation on Gamers Nexus' part), don't seem to fit with their treatment of the transaction on the whole. The fact that they've been so happy to be the center of a pity party in the wake of people finding out about LMG's mishandlings and process errors while they themselves have been about as sloppy as LMG is pretty questionable. If they're going to take part in scrutinizing LMG so closely they ought to take a look at themselves and their own methodologies as well because they either screwed up with something important or they're not quite being honest.
@perfecthumaninterface I dunno man... sounds like a lot defending LTT. You come off as a butt hurt fanboy, but I could be wrong. I actually agree that Billet could have done better at communicating... but holy shit did Linus handle that entire situation wrong. I don't think GN came off as all high and mighty like you're portraying. I'm a bigger fan of LTT than I am of GN, but GN doesn't come across nearly as pompous as LTT. I wonder if you even watched the full GN video because they didn't make it just to harp on mistakes that GN makes too. GN admits their own faults as well, the difference is in how they handle the mistake. LTT won't reshoot things, they'll leave a pinned (or even sometimes unpinned) comment to address a major issue in the video, or sometimes you might get "lucky" and get an annotation during the video. You can't be doing that kinda stuff when your brand is "we're better than the other guys because of how vigorously we test things." LTT already acted like that, but to say it out loud, essentially calling someone out by name in a video is insane. The bottom line is that LTT has been getting worse and worse over the years with Linus being a massive reason why. I used to enjoy his channel a lot, but as he has grown in popularity he comes off more and more as a self righteous prick. Not to mention how rushed the videos feel these days as well. I'm amazed at how unprepared they are when doing some of these projects and then half assing to boot. I think it's taken a very obvious toll on everyone who works there.
@@mitakemiyao I never argued what Billet said, so not sure why you're directing it at me? I'm not attacking Billet, it's just a fact of working in business where stuff easily gets miscommunicated/misunderstood. I'm not defending LTT for their actions... because regardless of there being some hiccups in communication, they still handled the entire situation poorly.
I appreciate how much Ludwig cares to be responsible in what he says/puts out. It’s a welcome breath of fresh air seeing a content creator being so aware of the weight of their word as well as actively trying to take care of and better the livelihoods of those employed under him. All the best, Lud - keep doing you 👍
The most dangerous word on RUclips is 'review' because from what I see so many turn a 'review' into a neatly hidden very well paid sleight of hand Ad. Anyway this drama will only make LTT much bigger. Thats a no brainer if you understand how drama works related to social media.
You're so right! I'm a voice over actor, who wanted like many others to record from home because of the Covid. I quickly realised that I had a lot of things to learn, including the gears. And guess what? If you possess some analytics skills, you realize about all the idiocies that they all repeat because they all copy each others. I came to believe that their main source of income is to resale all the products they receive 🙄
Reviews can act as ads but they rarely are intended to be. If you're looking for a new gpu, you watch reviews to make an informed decision. If you're being influenced by a review to buy something you were never interested in buying... I think you're the idiot then
That's what I was thinking too. It could really show that employee ownership not only works, but works better than the other alternatives. I could really see Offbrand be a progressive business of the future.
4:30 I actually looked at the bottom of my mouse and peeled off the protective film, that I completely didn't realize I had left on. Thanks Mogul Mail!
Minor correction: Linus didn't initially respond with a "blog post on Floatplane". It was a forum post on their own forums, which are public, unlike Floatplane.
Fact check sheet still has not included that Billet Labs originally said LTT could keep the prototype. Billet Labs changing their minds after LTT video release is the source of the miscommunication.
I heard about this drama at the beginning of this week and had to look up everything myself (traumatizing, lonely, scary😢). So glad to have my Mogul Mail cover the topic, everything is right with the world again
Particularly in business. You can get away with a lot of shady shit, but as soon as you invoke the name of another it's open season on calling that shit out.
I honestly am very hopeful that you find that certain balance in power in a company and their employees, I feel like there is a way to operate in those conditions and it’s just a matter of finding it - and I feel like you and your team are a group of smart people that might get there
6:06 Corrrection : There is literally ONLY one. This was their ONLY prototype, they needed it for development, and it cost thousands in production and opportunity cost.
So to add context, the Gamers Nexus video didn't come out directly in response to the comments from the tour. It came out in response to Linus doubling down on the billet labs testing, his response to the tour comments feedback, and calling out Steve during a podcast.
As someone who's in the mouse enthusiast community, the guys that review mice are really clueless and it's annoying asf knowing smaller creators that are better get drowned out by dumbed down reviews for products that aren't made for the average consumer
When I first heard about controversy, I thought it would came out that they are bad people that don’t deserve a platform. And then the more I heard about it just sounded like a heavily rushed company that made mistakes and should have corrected them. It definitely seem blown way out of proportion
Making a cooperative type business may be an answer? I wonder how it’d work in the creator space... Regardless I like the way Ludwig is thinking about workers. I wish more people would do the same.
Hasan, and several other content creators, already do it. There's no magic formula, give your cooperative effort a % split of revenue. Can haggle over the %s, but the foundation is well established.
@@ayushdhar he pays them a significant cut, either allowing them to choose their own percentage (iirc he does this with merch?), take home all the profits (like his yt editors), or splitting equally (like the podcast)
@@ryanstardust_ that is not a co op. The whole point of a co op is that workers have a say in how the company as a whole is run. It's not just the percentage of revenue shared
He’s also against unions and his wife (49% owner) was head of HR until recently. His rationalization for being anti union is very strange and only accounts for his feelings instead of his employees well being. He has said he would take it as a personal failure if his employees unionized. One of those _“but we’re a family”_ types of bosses.
In their return video they show the statistics of worker turnover and just how much lower it is than both the national and industry average, if it was such a bad place to work people would leave.
Im not a fan of unions either, they start with good intentions then quickly grow corupt. But not allowing wirkers to discus their pay is scummy. Thats non of their hysiness what workers talk about, especialy off the clock.
@@draginator6turnover alone doesn't reflect the culture or working environment of the company especially if workers are very attached to their jobs and don't have a lot of alternatives in the industry. they work in a very niche industry. the employees were clearly overworked and have said so multiple times. stop whiteknighting LMG they aren't going to notice you
the dishonesty of saying it would be too much money and time to re-test the cooler, when they probably just can't because the company that gave them the equipment has lost all faith in them and wont deal with them.
Honestly I doubted and thought that Ludwig wouldn't make a Mogul Mail with a youtuber he's collabed with before... RESPECT. The journalism degree coming in handy!
This is kind of a crazy crossover. Ive been watching GN and LTT for years, so to hear Ludwig talking about this stuff (and of course the Madison drama, which was crazy to say the least) was not what i expected in the least haha. Cool to know that Lud also knows a bit about GPUs and CPUs as well and tech RUclipsrs.
@@FardeenRiyadh16 bro made the entire video because he got butt hurt. It wasn't done because LTT are bad, but rather cherry pick fumbles theu had, and expose it as revenge. Hes nothing but a weirdo loser
LMG has done an incredible job shifting from a Linus focused model. It was something Linus started doing many years ago and was one of his smartest moves. I genuinely believe that Linus could leave and LMG would continue almost business as usual.
One thing to mention, just a few months ago they hired a CEO who was actually given quite a bit of power. I highly suspect that he won’t be afraid to let heads roll once the results of the investigation come in.
I love these Mogul Mails. The moment one of them is posted I instantly watch and on 10-20 minutes, I know pretty much everything everyone is talking about. Thanks Ludwig! And his viewers for keeping this channel alive!
There are a ton of good takes if you want to learn more; in the review creator space there is the Hardware Unboxed podcast, the JayTwoCents RTFM podcast on the topic of LTT fanboys and some social implications of these review mistakes. There has been some good take rebuttals of the language that GN:Steve used that made subliminally more incendiary. Some of these issues seem have been known at some level for a while... hopefully LMG/LTT continues down the path of actually addressing them instead of pushing stuff aside in the rush to push content out.
Correction @ 10:18 Madison’s twitter tread came our hours before the apology video was live. So before not during the time LMG took the break. This was also a pain moment for the community as it felt like the apology was rushed out.
@@moush5042 she's definitely been apart of ltt/lmg for a lot longer than a few months, but she quit like two years ago without exposing any details about why. it was only until recently that she explained everything.
I watched this all unfold bit by bit from gamers Nexus first vid to linus responses. And boy was it a ride. I think everyone was taken by surprise at linus doubling down TWICE. It was so careless. He has all the right to take things personally but what failed him was his ego and anger. Thinking that just refuting the claims would make him and the company look better. He's not even the ceo anymore and said all this without cross checking with anyone. It was wild and deserved the loss of his fans and people like me who wanted trusted reviews. The final response feels hopeful though and I think they did a good job with the changes they're planning and basically telling Linus to calm tf down
Also for a reviewer to not even read the product manual to know how to use a product correctly is wild and telling. Then said no time for corrections or awareness that it's wrong to do. Just doubling down 😭.
Idk, I think it was completely undeserved and out of proportion. He LITERALLY has been talking about how they have these issues and are looking to fix them for months
@@FweshPwinceJiff if you need to read a manual to use a product its a bad product, i dont know anyone who will read manual to use a common item like a computer mouse or keyboard.
LTT is entertainment tech. If you watch LTT for reliable statistics, you're doing it wrong. Similarly, if you watch Gamer's Nexus expecting drama-free statistics reviews that aren't hinged on taking pot shots at other channels, you're still doing it wrong. Linus needs to slow down and Steve needs to grow up.
@@eechee2979Then LTT should put a disclaimer on their videos saying they’re just “entertainment tech” and no one should trust their statistics. Otherwise, you can’t fault people for believing a channel’s reviews when they market themselves as a trustworthy tech review channel.
Alright, IDK how much this matters to you, but it is refreshing to see someone embracing the insane pressure that comes with responsible leadership. It's not easy and I respect your efforts greatly despite not normally being one to watch your content
Hey Ludwig, from 7:20ish you've made a large mistake. They asked for it back BEFORE the charity event, they agreed to send it back several times. The charity event rolled around and they auctioned it off by mistake. LTT Was seemingly asked about it and seemingly shrugged it off for some time. Nexus broke the news about this and the community was outraged, it was only then that LTT offered to pay for it but made the claim that they had offered prior. GN has followed up with Billet regarding the timeframe and the offer definitely came in hours after GN released their video. This may seem like a trivial misrepresentation of the sequence of events, but shows certain levels of intent, or lack there of, as well as integrity regarding these issues and resolving them. Until the very end LTT refused (and still does) to accept that his representation of this product was unfair in any way despite it being significantly mischaracterizing of the product. Further showing the lack of integrity and respect for small businesses in this space.
To be clear: There was absolutely no miscommunication regarding returning the copper cooler. There are screenshots of a super clear-cut conversation of Billet Labs saying "yes, we want it back" and LTT saying "okay, we will send it back in a couple days." Straight up. Couple weeks later LTT: "hey sorry it's late but we have it ready to go, it will be shipped early next week" *Repeat that for a couple more weeks* *0 messages from Billet since they said they want it back* Out of the blue LTT somehow crafts miscommunication and sells/auctions it.
They said that email didn't get sent to billet and the cooler got thrown in the wrong area. It's still pretty bad, but not nearly as bad as purposefully stealing it.
I appreciate the fact you waited to gather all the information you could on this. For example i had no idea you could hold left click to speed up a YT video. Good shit and great video 🤟
I hope LMG and its employees find a pace where they are comfortable with the quality produced while also maintaining business operations. It is a delicate balance, but made worse by the volatility of online advertising. Tech viewers are a lucrative group to advertise to, but at the same time very hard to advertise to. And the floatplane subscribers mostly don't do it for the extra value the service offers, but to support them and be part of the community. That is why the numbers dropped so rapidly.
love it. met you one day at the climbing gym and had a fun time working on a dyno. was quite a while ago. my friend came up and asked, without my permission, if i could get a picture with you cause i was fanboying out so hard. you're a good person and have good intentions, and this just shows it!
If you really want to give people more say. Make them shareholders, make it a co-operative. They then get a share of the profits and have a vested interest that the company succeeds other than a basic salary.
Hey great video and all that, but thanks for telling me about that hold left click-to-play at 2x speed feature. Much more handy for getting to live in streams, thanks Mogul Mail! That Ludwig guy still uses the settings button its unreal.
Everyone and their dog had something to say about it, so it's good to see that some people waited instead of jumping on the bandwagon. Other than that I think the video by TechTechPotato about this whole situation is a good one
Ludwig is the type of guy to record 5 takes of an entire video instead of cutting each part out and editing them together Respect for that to be honest
The funny thing is I used to review components as well like 10 years ago, and we had the same mantra as the guy who started this whole thing. We'd advertise that any time we tested it was always fresh testing and we never pulled from old database numbers. Which is a pain, but when in a couple months things like driver, firmware, OS updates etc... can happen, numbers will change. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for worse. However, the thing we didn't do is name names to cause shit and drama. When you do that, you've given a free pass for anyone to pull out those skeletons on you. But also, some of these review sites have different relationships with manufactures/distributors and you can piss off the wrong people and get blacklisted/lose sources.
Lud missed the bit where Billet originally said they could keep the cooler, then later changed their mind after the review. Looks like that updated request got lost in LMG's seemingly shambolic stock management system. Lud makes it sound like Billet expected it back from day 1 and they just sold it anyway.
I really enjoyed hearing you describe how you've thought thru problems and are still working on things. Especially when it seems like you're trying to make life better in ways that you can do for more than just yourself.
I want to bring up a point. Last month Linus did a event and released a bunch of exclusive merch that only who was subscribed to floatplane could buy. Many people (just like me) must have subscribed for a single month, bought the merch and then unsubscribed. Thay isn't all, but it could've have helped with the sudden drop of subscribers.
The problem with not being thorough with Tech reviews from large companies as large LMG is that they can tank a new business for just being lazy. I've been following this since the news broke from GNs first video.
As someone who helped build and grow a RUclips channel that sold for multi-millions, it really does suck to see your boss walk away with everything and the employees who did the work end up with none of the benefits. I try not to be bitter about it, but I can't help it sometimes.
Linus is taking the approach of the parent showering their kids with gifts so that they mask the other issues present in the relationship. He didn't really address the workspace toxicity and sexual harassment, but rather said, "WE ARE SO GOOD EMPLOYERS! LOOK AT US, WE ARE GIVING THEM HUGE BONUSES AND WE HAVE GAMING DAYS SCHEDULED FOR THEM." And bragging about their epic Christmas parties really felt off-putting, given the criticism they had faced. Nobody really complained about the money, but the work conditions.
I don’t think it’s that he didn’t want to talk about Madison. I think it’s more that he absolutely should NOT talk about Madison. Doing that will only make things worse for himself. The best thing would be to let his CEO handle it after the investigation returns it’s findings, whatever they are.
Not gonna lie I never took LTT as a serious tech reviewer I always thought they were aimed to towards more mainstream viewers if you wanted something more in-depth go elsewhere. I used to love Linus doing random shit in his office but he kinda just stopped doing that randomly.
I recommend checking these sources (e.g. Gamer Nexus's video and Madison Tweets) because there's a loooot of important details that are lost in translation (of course Lud couldn't cover em all in a single short overview video). Especially the scale of LTT's mistakes, the level of out of touch from Linus, and the severity of Madison's experiences (alleged). It's shocking.
We really shouldn't speculate on the madison allegations. There's absolutely no need to stir the pot any more. Nothing of value will be brought forward without any official word from LMG.
Madison told white lies throughout her post. The time frame lines up with the woman who was falsely accusing Linus of wanting sexual favors in exchange for a Floatplane creator spot. I think her name was Naomi Wu. Linus talked to Madison about the situation because Madison ran the social media accounts. This was proved false a long time ago and Madison knew it. If she omits facts about something so minor (impacting her personally), then what else is she omitting, twisting or lying about? I'd take her allegations with a major grain of salt until the third party investigation is over.
In all seriousness, I actually really appreciate Lud's candidness when it comes to his content, goals, and taking responsibility for having such a large influence on RUclips. He's probably one of the only RUclipsrs I'm actually glad to root for and watch because he's consistently transparent and owns up to his mistakes. That being said, anyone notice how Mogul Mail has launched a silent support campaign for Lud by adopting the signature bald-cut? What an amazing guy!
I think Linus is either just at the point in his life where he's gotten too big for his own good. As in he believes he doesn't make mistakes because he's got so much experience and knows a lot. Or he could be at the point where he's done it for so long he's just lost the care factor.
I know you said it as a joke but what about a week of Ludwig’s friends “running” the channel. They all livestream, appear in vids, Mogul Mails, etc. Just to see how it works?
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ATTENTION!! EVERYONE NAMED OR SHOWN IS NOT DESERVING OF HARASSMENT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL ABOUT THEM. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REACH OUT AND HARASS ANYONE ON A TOPIC YOU JUST LEARNED ABOUT 5 MINUTES AGO THAT IS WEIRD
TO EVERYONE ELSE hope ur havin a good day :D
Agree, harassing might even make the situation worse behind closed doors
hi feller like your stuff
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hi luddy ♥
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Leave it to Lud to buy an alienware while having a business partner who literally has a custom PC building company.
who??
Charlie owns Star forge systems in partnership with otk I believe
So no nepotism? Good. 😎
@@arkain1that's not what nepotism means but you do you 👍
@@arkain1bro doesn’t know what nepotism is
It's so kind of Mogul Mail to shave his head so Ludwig wasn't alone in his punishment, so supportive!
isnt ludwig dead?
@@warmech0964thats what they tell you
nah it’s joe bartolozzi
it's the same person, mogul killed ludwig a while back
makes sense why ludwig suddenly also had a shaved head
As an IT guy hearing their lab results were wrong was highly upsetting. I don't have the funds to run a lab like that so I rely on those results as a metric when discussing hardware and now there's a chance I've been talking out of my ass because they goofed their quality control.
Hence why it's probably best not to base your opinion on a product off of one review alone and gather multiple sources.
@mariyastoyanova31 moot point since I wasn't speaking on forming an opinion, merely referencing the information as a metric for discussion/comparison.
@@commanderjericho My bad, since the main example were the mouse feet protectors, I thought it was in that realm of their content. Even so, still not a bad idea to cross reference performance stats from different channels.
@mariyastoyanova31 yeah I'll definitely be doing that from now on.
Yep, this completely ruined the trust in all of their reviews.
I just don’t understand why when even Linus himself admits they don’t have enough time for videos, he himself couldn’t do anything about it until the situation blew up
Capitalist sigma grindset man. He has a commitment to all his fans to get videos out because all over the world people tun in and depend on him man. What are they gonna do if a video doesn't come out? Watch Big Bang Theory? Actually they could do that and it would be just as worthy of their time IMO
it is really just greedy mindset or rather as doclime said Capitalist mindset that most people have just produce produce produce money more more ore and quality goes out of windows
Because he should be responsible and prioritize quality vs just making videos pulled out of his behind, people make purchasing decision based on his reviews
Linus is not a CEO, so he is in a loophole
It's so kind of Mogul Mail to stay on top of all this drama so Ludwig can worry about his own thing.
here before this blows up
agreed
this has blows ip
these comments are getting reallllly old ngl
Please stop
Correction @ 9:13
It wasn't a response on floatplane, it was a response on the LTT forums. Sounds sorta insignificant because they are in control of both, but floatplane is paywalled, so it would look even worse if a response was paywalled
Also ludwig forgot to mention that Linus/LTT told the company two times they were gonna give back the prototype, but they never did and auctioned insteed.
@@hos3886 it was monetized on release, they changed that pretty quickly tho.
@@hos3886it wasn't sponsored, but it was initially monetised with AdSense. They turned it off after feedback tho
@@hos3886no they joked about it being sponsored but it was initially monetized
@@hos3886 the apology video was monetized. They turned it off after getting severe blowback. There was also a plug for the merch store.
Ludwig the kind of guy to make his company an employee owned co-op
I think that's the solution to the problem he raised that he "doesn't know the solution to yet". give offbrand to the employees. He said it himself, a normal company doesn't need a ceo.
@@pedrogarcia8706it’s not even that a company doesn’t need a ceo, but at the very least the ceo and other leaders should be chosen by the employees
@@Ry_TSG at the very least. But honestly it's not needed. The people who make the company run know how to run it.
@@pedrogarcia8706 I think you may guys may be mixing up owners and CEOs. An owner doesn't actually need to do anything, they can just sit back and get returns (although often they do get involved). A CEO is a paid employee that manages some aspect of the company. The employees can jointly own the company, but they don't have to run it like a democracy - in many cases it's still better to have an experienced CEO making big picture strategic decisions so that employees can focus on performing in their roles.
@@deantan7538 I don't think a company needs either.
I'm really happy to see that you're thinking about not only your future, but the future of the people you employ. I feel like not enough creators look past the mountain tops of money they're making at the peak of their RUclips fame and I just feel dread when I think about where they might end up. I'm just glad there's some rational people in the industry. Way to go!
Thanks a lot for the overview of this drama. I follow both, and I saw a few videos regarding this, and I was so lost from where it began. Now everything makes sense.
pretty much all linus has to do is to not speak his mind. Anytime LMG is criticized, Linus takes it personally for some reason.
I think it's cause to him, LMG is still him and he is LMG. Guy built his empire from the ground up and is hella invested in its success. Bad way to run a business but it happens
I mean tbh if I created something and someone was trashing in any way or negative reviewing it I would be pissed about and take it personal. I think most people might. Hell some people might just take this Comment personal.
Well its expected since he founded LMG, its akin to a parent being told that their child sucks with reasons why.
Some reason? Gosh. I hope we figure it out. I mean, it's not like the business he built from 0 has his name on it or anything.
Linus need to hear Luke more often. Sometimes Luke try to prevent Linus doing/saying something bad but Linus failed to noticed it
Theres one thing we should all take away from this video.
Never talk trash about Ludwigs streaming setup.
alienware prebuilt 💀
his partner in business literally co owns a pc building company 😂
ludwig with no hair looks like that one kid we all went to highschool with
This isn't Ludwig it's mogul mail
@@HearMeLearnthis is ludwig
@@calculatormaster There is no way they are the same person they were in the same room
@@Dargon8959 trust Me it's ludwig not his clone
I went to a high school in northern England a poor area - everyone had this haircut
I swear every time I watch a mogul mail I appreciate you more and more as a person. Not in a parasocial way but in a “damn this guys pretty cool” way
The irony…
@@PerfectSense77what irony? He genuinely seems like a pretty chill guy based on his RUclips persona. Doesn't mean we know he is. We don't lmao. But it's a fair assumption I'd say
It’s the opposite for me lol. I just want lud to shut up more every time he has a bad take
@@thesnowman2509what was his bad take in this one?
@@thesnowman2509 then stop watching his mogul mails? Sounds like your creating your own problem
i remember watching the original billet labs video and being like "... wait they're just gonna put it on the wrong card?" and then after he said the product was bad i was f****n shocked. like dude linus you CANT do that. that could end a small company....
The trend of immediately commentating and reacting to a situation immediately after it starts trending is something I always hated in social media, and I'm glad you're trying to break that behavior. It makes you a much more level-headed and reliable source of information. I believe that stride for accuracy over content far far outweighs any loss in views you suffer, good on you Lud
Really what additional information was provided to you in this video that wasn't available 12 days ago when he made the original video except you know the self promotion at the end?
@@Hanclok he made it concise without us having to keep up with drama at all through Twitter and other sites, he also gave his two cents as an observer and if he were to make it as the drama just started, he will be inaccurate and come off as an ignorant individual. Having all the context of a situation is a must, it's part of the critical thinking.
It may have seemed that he only plugged his team, but at the start, he gave his two cents as a business owner on what Linus said about companies.
The sad thing is somebody need to report/publish this event. Imo the correct thing is just telling the "meat" and not adding any "spice" (read: comment) on top of it.
He literally used to do what you described, until a coulpe of months ago.
Am I the only one remembering how both him and Charlie jumped on the Mizkif's stuff last year?
@@42isTh3Answ3rI think he recognized that that’s why he’s uploading less here like he mentioned. To have more context before jumping on the issue.
One addition regarding the Billet Labs thing: "just give us the money" may sound weird, but they posted their reasoning on the LTT reddit (I believe). It's a combination of:
- A new prototype is already in production
- It's uncertain how long it would take to receive it
- There is no guarantee that the prototype still works if it was in random people's hands
This could also be a huge problem if the block was auctioned to competitors... Quite messed up
Edit: There's comment stating that Billet Labs only wanted the prototype back after shit hit the fan. In LTT's first apology video, there is a screenshot of the email correspondence between the two parties, in which can be seen that Billet Labs originally allowed LMG to keep it, but then asked to get it back when Linus disliked the product. This seems to have happened before August 10th. Probably just fanboys in the comments...
True
Billet needs to bear their own share of responsibility for what happened. LMG screwed some things up, but Billet also didn't take care to communicate their expectations clearly or take measures to ensure their investment was protected if it was so important to them as they claim. For example, they told LMG at one point "you can try it on a 4090," which is what they did in the video, and then got upset that they tested it on a 4090 and the numbers didn't turn out great. Then when LMG tried to send it back to them they told them "you can keep it," and then seemingly changed their minds after LMG put it up for charity auction because LMG didn't have any use for it. The ideas that the company was stalled because they no longer had their prototype (which Billet claimed was the case), or that the block could end up in the hands of competitors which could somehow reveal some kind of trade secrets (which I believe was purely speculation on Gamers Nexus' part), don't seem to fit with their treatment of the transaction on the whole. The fact that they've been so happy to be the center of a pity party in the wake of people finding out about LMG's mishandlings and process errors while they themselves have been about as sloppy as LMG is pretty questionable. If they're going to take part in scrutinizing LMG so closely they ought to take a look at themselves and their own methodologies as well because they either screwed up with something important or they're not quite being honest.
@perfecthumaninterface I dunno man... sounds like a lot defending LTT. You come off as a butt hurt fanboy, but I could be wrong. I actually agree that Billet could have done better at communicating... but holy shit did Linus handle that entire situation wrong. I don't think GN came off as all high and mighty like you're portraying. I'm a bigger fan of LTT than I am of GN, but GN doesn't come across nearly as pompous as LTT.
I wonder if you even watched the full GN video because they didn't make it just to harp on mistakes that GN makes too. GN admits their own faults as well, the difference is in how they handle the mistake. LTT won't reshoot things, they'll leave a pinned (or even sometimes unpinned) comment to address a major issue in the video, or sometimes you might get "lucky" and get an annotation during the video. You can't be doing that kinda stuff when your brand is "we're better than the other guys because of how vigorously we test things." LTT already acted like that, but to say it out loud, essentially calling someone out by name in a video is insane.
The bottom line is that LTT has been getting worse and worse over the years with Linus being a massive reason why. I used to enjoy his channel a lot, but as he has grown in popularity he comes off more and more as a self righteous prick. Not to mention how rushed the videos feel these days as well. I'm amazed at how unprepared they are when doing some of these projects and then half assing to boot. I think it's taken a very obvious toll on everyone who works there.
@@mitakemiyao No shifting of blame required. LMG made all the mistakes that they did. Billet making their own mistakes has no bearing on that.
@@mitakemiyao I never argued what Billet said, so not sure why you're directing it at me? I'm not attacking Billet, it's just a fact of working in business where stuff easily gets miscommunicated/misunderstood. I'm not defending LTT for their actions... because regardless of there being some hiccups in communication, they still handled the entire situation poorly.
I appreciate how much Ludwig cares to be responsible in what he says/puts out. It’s a welcome breath of fresh air seeing a content creator being so aware of the weight of their word as well as actively trying to take care of and better the livelihoods of those employed under him. All the best, Lud - keep doing you 👍
Isn't he the same person who said something along the lines of "I don't care if I promotes gambling or p*rn to kids as long as it makes me money"
@@jellytwins1018yeah
@@jellytwins1018fr? When and where?
this is mogul mail thoigh
@@jellytwins1018 wait where did he say that ???
i love that you put the number of takes it took you in the description it makes me less anxious about my own videos
The most dangerous word on RUclips is 'review' because from what I see so many turn a 'review' into a neatly hidden very well paid sleight of hand Ad. Anyway this drama will only make LTT much bigger. Thats a no brainer if you understand how drama works related to social media.
You're so right! I'm a voice over actor, who wanted like many others to record from home because of the Covid. I quickly realised that I had a lot of things to learn, including the gears. And guess what? If you possess some analytics skills, you realize about all the idiocies that they all repeat because they all copy each others. I came to believe that their main source of income is to resale all the products they receive 🙄
@@LeSaff😂 voice over actor 😂
@@dirkdiggler9379 what is so funny? please share...
Reviews can act as ads but they rarely are intended to be. If you're looking for a new gpu, you watch reviews to make an informed decision.
If you're being influenced by a review to buy something you were never interested in buying... I think you're the idiot then
Charlie has the opportunity to do something really funny
*Proceeds to absolutely cancel Ludwig and destroy his career*
LOL
@@Motowadcancel? How could he be cancelled for using an alienware
I think that Offbrand paving a very visible path for employee ownership could be massive. Very excited to see what comes out of the brainstorming
agreed
That's what I was thinking too. It could really show that employee ownership not only works, but works better than the other alternatives. I could really see Offbrand be a progressive business of the future.
I lowkey would like to join as a gamedev for offbrand
4:30 I actually looked at the bottom of my mouse and peeled off the protective film, that I completely didn't realize I had left on. Thanks Mogul Mail!
Minor correction: Linus didn't initially respond with a "blog post on Floatplane". It was a forum post on their own forums, which are public, unlike Floatplane.
Fact check sheet still has not included that Billet Labs originally said LTT could keep the prototype. Billet Labs changing their minds after LTT video release is the source of the miscommunication.
I heard about this drama at the beginning of this week and had to look up everything myself (traumatizing, lonely, scary😢). So glad to have my Mogul Mail cover the topic, everything is right with the world again
What are the odds that Ludwin shaves his head at the exact same time as Ludwig? Life is crazy
I thought this was Mogul Mail, not Ludwin
@@WanderTheNomadcrossover
This is why you dont bad mouth other folks unless you're prepared to face the consequences.
Exactly
Particularly in business. You can get away with a lot of shady shit, but as soon as you invoke the name of another it's open season on calling that shit out.
No wonder that guy who started this got fired.
@did he really get fired?
@@raynjpg can i see your feet
I honestly am very hopeful that you find that certain balance in power in a company and their employees, I feel like there is a way to operate in those conditions and it’s just a matter of finding it - and I feel like you and your team are a group of smart people that might get there
The most informative thing in this video is learning you can 2x speed with mouse thanks ludbin.
Legitimately. I never knew that. Granted, I don't watch RUclips on my PC that much, but I do enough for that to be useful.
6:06 Corrrection : There is literally ONLY one. This was their ONLY prototype, they needed it for development, and it cost thousands in production and opportunity cost.
LTT Definitely screwed up here, but if you only have one prototype you definitely shouldn't send it to someone else.
So to add context, the Gamers Nexus video didn't come out directly in response to the comments from the tour. It came out in response to Linus doubling down on the billet labs testing, his response to the tour comments feedback, and calling out Steve during a podcast.
Therapist: Ludwig with a buzz cut cant hurt you he doesn't exist.
Ludwig with a buzz cut:
As someone who's in the mouse enthusiast community, the guys that review mice are really clueless and it's annoying asf knowing smaller creators that are better get drowned out by dumbed down reviews for products that aren't made for the average consumer
When I first heard about controversy, I thought it would came out that they are bad people that don’t deserve a platform. And then the more I heard about it just sounded like a heavily rushed company that made mistakes and should have corrected them. It definitely seem blown way out of proportion
Making a cooperative type business may be an answer? I wonder how it’d work in the creator space... Regardless I like the way Ludwig is thinking about workers. I wish more people would do the same.
Hasan, and several other content creators, already do it. There's no magic formula, give your cooperative effort a % split of revenue. Can haggle over the %s, but the foundation is well established.
@@JStack how does hasan do it? I thought he just has free lance employees
@@ayushdhar he pays them a significant cut, either allowing them to choose their own percentage (iirc he does this with merch?), take home all the profits (like his yt editors), or splitting equally (like the podcast)
@@ryanstardust_ that is not a co op. The whole point of a co op is that workers have a say in how the company as a whole is run. It's not just the percentage of revenue shared
To be fair though looking back at the original comment I didn't realize that op also doesn't get what a co op is 🤣
Slow, physically and mentally but we love you anyway Lud.
I'm a luddite to this
We love Ludwin and Mogul Mail. Don't waste your time at someone who said he's not our friend ;)
Who’s Lud? I only know Mogul Mail
I have been sceptical of LTT's working conditions ever since he said on the podcast he is against his employees discussing pay. Big red flag.
He’s also against unions and his wife (49% owner) was head of HR until recently. His rationalization for being anti union is very strange and only accounts for his feelings instead of his employees well being. He has said he would take it as a personal failure if his employees unionized. One of those _“but we’re a family”_ types of bosses.
In their return video they show the statistics of worker turnover and just how much lower it is than both the national and industry average, if it was such a bad place to work people would leave.
Im not a fan of unions either, they start with good intentions then quickly grow corupt. But not allowing wirkers to discus their pay is scummy. Thats non of their hysiness what workers talk about, especialy off the clock.
@@draginator6turnover alone doesn't reflect the culture or working environment of the company especially if workers are very attached to their jobs and don't have a lot of alternatives in the industry. they work in a very niche industry.
the employees were clearly overworked and have said so multiple times. stop whiteknighting LMG they aren't going to notice you
@@lordfrz9339we do not need to know if you aren't a fan of unions
the dishonesty of saying it would be too much money and time to re-test the cooler, when they probably just can't because the company that gave them the equipment has lost all faith in them and wont deal with them.
Also remember HR is his wife, huge red flag at the company.
Man i'm gonna miss Mogul's Ventriloquism Skill at start of each video.....
Honestly I doubted and thought that Ludwig wouldn't make a Mogul Mail with a youtuber he's collabed with before... RESPECT. The journalism degree coming in handy!
You must be new. Mizkif, Atrioc..
Wdym bro he's literally done it for so many people he has collabed with...
This is kind of a crazy crossover. Ive been watching GN and LTT for years, so to hear Ludwig talking about this stuff (and of course the Madison drama, which was crazy to say the least) was not what i expected in the least haha. Cool to know that Lud also knows a bit about GPUs and CPUs as well and tech RUclipsrs.
Gamer Nexus is a weirdo. I dont rate that guy at all.
@@WJeezushow is he a weirdo?
@@FardeenRiyadh16 bro made the entire video because he got butt hurt. It wasn't done because LTT are bad, but rather cherry pick fumbles theu had, and expose it as revenge.
Hes nothing but a weirdo loser
LMG has done an incredible job shifting from a Linus focused model. It was something Linus started doing many years ago and was one of his smartest moves. I genuinely believe that Linus could leave and LMG would continue almost business as usual.
One thing to mention, just a few months ago they hired a CEO who was actually given quite a bit of power. I highly suspect that he won’t be afraid to let heads roll once the results of the investigation come in.
I love these Mogul Mails. The moment one of them is posted I instantly watch and on 10-20 minutes, I know pretty much everything everyone is talking about. Thanks Ludwig! And his viewers for keeping this channel alive!
I kinda like the audience not really taking side and put what they have on their mind instead just follow the most popular opinion
There are a ton of good takes if you want to learn more; in the review creator space there is the Hardware Unboxed podcast, the JayTwoCents RTFM podcast on the topic of LTT fanboys and some social implications of these review mistakes. There has been some good take rebuttals of the language that GN:Steve used that made subliminally more incendiary. Some of these issues seem have been known at some level for a while... hopefully LMG/LTT continues down the path of actually addressing them instead of pushing stuff aside in the rush to push content out.
Are you all paid commenters? The comments under this video sound like marketing spiel. Who types like this outside of work.
Correction @ 10:18
Madison’s twitter tread came our hours before the apology video was live. So before not during the time LMG took the break.
This was also a pain moment for the community as it felt like the apology was rushed out.
Yes was going to say, made the jokey tone much worse
didn't they also put a sponsor in the apology? it felt really insincere
no, but they were joking around saying that they could have had a sponsor@@naurrr
@@moush5042didn’t she work for like 2 years
@@moush5042 she's definitely been apart of ltt/lmg for a lot longer than a few months, but she quit like two years ago without exposing any details about why. it was only until recently that she explained everything.
I watched this all unfold bit by bit from gamers Nexus first vid to linus responses. And boy was it a ride. I think everyone was taken by surprise at linus doubling down TWICE. It was so careless. He has all the right to take things personally but what failed him was his ego and anger. Thinking that just refuting the claims would make him and the company look better. He's not even the ceo anymore and said all this without cross checking with anyone. It was wild and deserved the loss of his fans and people like me who wanted trusted reviews. The final response feels hopeful though and I think they did a good job with the changes they're planning and basically telling Linus to calm tf down
Also for a reviewer to not even read the product manual to know how to use a product correctly is wild and telling. Then said no time for corrections or awareness that it's wrong to do. Just doubling down 😭.
Idk, I think it was completely undeserved and out of proportion. He LITERALLY has been talking about how they have these issues and are looking to fix them for months
@@FweshPwinceJiff if you need to read a manual to use a product its a bad product, i dont know anyone who will read manual to use a common item like a computer mouse or keyboard.
LTT is entertainment tech. If you watch LTT for reliable statistics, you're doing it wrong. Similarly, if you watch Gamer's Nexus expecting drama-free statistics reviews that aren't hinged on taking pot shots at other channels, you're still doing it wrong. Linus needs to slow down and Steve needs to grow up.
@@eechee2979Then LTT should put a disclaimer on their videos saying they’re just “entertainment tech” and no one should trust their statistics. Otherwise, you can’t fault people for believing a channel’s reviews when they market themselves as a trustworthy tech review channel.
Alright, IDK how much this matters to you, but it is refreshing to see someone embracing the insane pressure that comes with responsible leadership. It's not easy and I respect your efforts greatly despite not normally being one to watch your content
Hey Ludwig,
from 7:20ish you've made a large mistake.
They asked for it back BEFORE the charity event, they agreed to send it back several times.
The charity event rolled around and they auctioned it off by mistake.
LTT Was seemingly asked about it and seemingly shrugged it off for some time.
Nexus broke the news about this and the community was outraged, it was only then that LTT offered to pay for it but made the claim that they had offered prior. GN has followed up with Billet regarding the timeframe and the offer definitely came in hours after GN released their video.
This may seem like a trivial misrepresentation of the sequence of events, but shows certain levels of intent, or lack there of, as well as integrity regarding these issues and resolving them. Until the very end LTT refused (and still does) to accept that his representation of this product was unfair in any way despite it being significantly mischaracterizing of the product. Further showing the lack of integrity and respect for small businesses in this space.
Lmao what? They’re right to do so
@@thesnowman2509 Who's right to do what?
To be clear: There was absolutely no miscommunication regarding returning the copper cooler. There are screenshots of a super clear-cut conversation of Billet Labs saying "yes, we want it back" and LTT saying "okay, we will send it back in a couple days." Straight up.
Couple weeks later LTT: "hey sorry it's late but we have it ready to go, it will be shipped early next week"
*Repeat that for a couple more weeks*
*0 messages from Billet since they said they want it back*
Out of the blue LTT somehow crafts miscommunication and sells/auctions it.
They said that email didn't get sent to billet and the cooler got thrown in the wrong area. It's still pretty bad, but not nearly as bad as purposefully stealing it.
Hate how he danced around technicalities with we didn’t sell it. It was auctioned
@@Hideyoshi1991 seems like the type of mistake that could easily happen.
@@mildlydazed9608auctioned for charity not profit, big difference. GN made it sound like they were trying to make a quick buck
to be clear, BL initially said in their email it was LMG's to keep and changed their mind after seeing the video
That’s not a bug it’s a feature.
-Lud 2023
Loved the discussion of how a company should operate, hope you continue on that path of empowering the workers more :)
Love having the Linus ad before this video starts...perfect!!!
Me when I need to figure out if this one component makes my computer run 0.00000000000000001 degrees hotter or colder
I appreciate the fact you waited to gather all the information you could on this. For example i had no idea you could hold left click to speed up a YT video.
Good shit and great video 🤟
the left click didn't work for me :[
@@younlok1081 Nor for me....
gotta say i respect that Lud waited a bit to upload a video on this until more facts were known
yeah its crazy that he did that and still got a bunch of stuff wrong
@@moustashguy5315 elaborate
I hope LMG and its employees find a pace where they are comfortable with the quality produced while also maintaining business operations. It is a delicate balance, but made worse by the volatility of online advertising. Tech viewers are a lucrative group to advertise to, but at the same time very hard to advertise to. And the floatplane subscribers mostly don't do it for the extra value the service offers, but to support them and be part of the community. That is why the numbers dropped so rapidly.
love it. met you one day at the climbing gym and had a fun time working on a dyno. was quite a while ago. my friend came up and asked, without my permission, if i could get a picture with you cause i was fanboying out so hard. you're a good person and have good intentions, and this just shows it!
I was so lost about the whole situation thanks for explaining 😭😭
Would be based, if Ludwig actually made Offbrand a worker coop.
If you really want to give people more say. Make them shareholders, make it a co-operative. They then get a share of the profits and have a vested interest that the company succeeds other than a basic salary.
All of the mistakes GN pointed out can be fixed, but the maddison thing is the really tough situation.
Susan having Mogul make an 18 minute ad for a 2x speed feature is a genius move
Hey great video and all that, but thanks for telling me about that hold left click-to-play at 2x speed feature. Much more handy for getting to live in streams, thanks Mogul Mail! That Ludwig guy still uses the settings button its unreal.
Everyone and their dog had something to say about it, so it's good to see that some people waited instead of jumping on the bandwagon. Other than that I think the video by TechTechPotato about this whole situation is a good one
and more $$ if you wait
You're welcome
HUHH???
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Ludwig is the type of guy to record 5 takes of an entire video instead of cutting each part out and editing them together
Respect for that to be honest
The hair really would've messed up that OG video. Glad you waited.
i cant believe its been less than 5 months without a like to dislike feels like its been years
The funny thing is I used to review components as well like 10 years ago, and we had the same mantra as the guy who started this whole thing. We'd advertise that any time we tested it was always fresh testing and we never pulled from old database numbers. Which is a pain, but when in a couple months things like driver, firmware, OS updates etc... can happen, numbers will change. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for worse. However, the thing we didn't do is name names to cause shit and drama. When you do that, you've given a free pass for anyone to pull out those skeletons on you. But also, some of these review sites have different relationships with manufactures/distributors and you can piss off the wrong people and get blacklisted/lose sources.
Great video Ludwig ❤ always love to see a mogul Mail video! Keep it up ❤❤❤
who's ludwig
Crying at Linus talking about how they never have time for retrospection at 8:34 ....and whose fault is that, Linus? lmao
Lud missed the bit where Billet originally said they could keep the cooler, then later changed their mind after the review. Looks like that updated request got lost in LMG's seemingly shambolic stock management system. Lud makes it sound like Billet expected it back from day 1 and they just sold it anyway.
slight correction: gamers nexus didn't speak up till linus doubled down on the WAN show after this footage came to light. iirc
I really enjoyed hearing you describe how you've thought thru problems and are still working on things. Especially when it seems like you're trying to make life better in ways that you can do for more than just yourself.
I want to bring up a point. Last month Linus did a event and released a bunch of exclusive merch that only who was subscribed to floatplane could buy. Many people (just like me) must have subscribed for a single month, bought the merch and then unsubscribed. Thay isn't all, but it could've have helped with the sudden drop of subscribers.
The problem with not being thorough with Tech reviews from large companies as large LMG is that they can tank a new business for just being lazy. I've been following this since the news broke from GNs first video.
Nexus really went: Oh you wanna go? You wanna freaking go? Ok then. Let's go.
can’t wait for the employees of mogul moves to seize the means of production
As someone who helped build and grow a RUclips channel that sold for multi-millions, it really does suck to see your boss walk away with everything and the employees who did the work end up with none of the benefits. I try not to be bitter about it, but I can't help it sometimes.
You did?
@@zz-eo6vz he did not
Madison is a amazing funny person I’m so sad with her treatment
Linus is taking the approach of the parent showering their kids with gifts so that they mask the other issues present in the relationship. He didn't really address the workspace toxicity and sexual harassment, but rather said, "WE ARE SO GOOD EMPLOYERS! LOOK AT US, WE ARE GIVING THEM HUGE BONUSES AND WE HAVE GAMING DAYS SCHEDULED FOR THEM." And bragging about their epic Christmas parties really felt off-putting, given the criticism they had faced. Nobody really complained about the money, but the work conditions.
I don’t think it’s that he didn’t want to talk about Madison.
I think it’s more that he absolutely should NOT talk about Madison. Doing that will only make things worse for himself.
The best thing would be to let his CEO handle it after the investigation returns it’s findings, whatever they are.
In a creator company, you're the primary worker. In a normal company, the whole management department is just a leech on all normal workers.
I think this video does not cover what fully happened. But just touches the surface....
Not gonna lie I never took LTT as a serious tech reviewer I always thought they were aimed to towards more mainstream viewers if you wanted something more in-depth go elsewhere. I used to love Linus doing random shit in his office but he kinda just stopped doing that randomly.
Mogul mail guy should teach ludwig a few things.
1:08 please note that the graph doesnt start at 0 in the y axis, so the change is less impressive than what it looks like
yo i saw you have the strokes on your recommended, fucking love them
i would love it if for an april fools upload you got aiden to do a mogul mail or sth that'd be awesome 😂
NASA isn’t using their stats. It ain’t that deep
I recommend checking these sources (e.g. Gamer Nexus's video and Madison Tweets) because there's a loooot of important details that are lost in translation (of course Lud couldn't cover em all in a single short overview video). Especially the scale of LTT's mistakes, the level of out of touch from Linus, and the severity of Madison's experiences (alleged). It's shocking.
We really shouldn't speculate on the madison allegations. There's absolutely no need to stir the pot any more. Nothing of value will be brought forward without any official word from LMG.
Madison told white lies throughout her post. The time frame lines up with the woman who was falsely accusing Linus of wanting sexual favors in exchange for a Floatplane creator spot. I think her name was Naomi Wu. Linus talked to Madison about the situation because Madison ran the social media accounts. This was proved false a long time ago and Madison knew it.
If she omits facts about something so minor (impacting her personally), then what else is she omitting, twisting or lying about?
I'd take her allegations with a major grain of salt until the third party investigation is over.
In all seriousness, I actually really appreciate Lud's candidness when it comes to his content, goals, and taking responsibility for having such a large influence on RUclips. He's probably one of the only RUclipsrs I'm actually glad to root for and watch because he's consistently transparent and owns up to his mistakes. That being said, anyone notice how Mogul Mail has launched a silent support campaign for Lud by adopting the signature bald-cut? What an amazing guy!
Ludwig is better than local news.
I think Linus is either just at the point in his life where he's gotten too big for his own good. As in he believes he doesn't make mistakes because he's got so much experience and knows a lot. Or he could be at the point where he's done it for so long he's just lost the care factor.
Bit of both
I know you said it as a joke but what about a week of Ludwig’s friends “running” the channel. They all livestream, appear in vids, Mogul Mails, etc. Just to see how it works?
It's giving Ray William Johnson
I love when linus techs his tips
Holding left click for 2x speed is the most important information Ive been subjected to here. When tf did that become a thing?
It's so funny that you found a youtube feature (hold left click for 2x speed) that was actually removed by the time you uploaded lmao
Linus definitely showed it was now malicious when he refused to properly test and when he lied about the agreement
doubling down on his podcast over a test he didn't even do with the correct equipment billet labs sent him was crazy