I remember the Mack buses on the B22(Now Q24) Atlantic Avenue Line. Just the noise brings back memories. Also, no MTA Buses ran in the Rockaways prior to the MTA Bus Company takeover of The Triboro. Coach Company's & Green Bus Company's & Jamaica Buses Inc's Routes.
Thanks You for putting this video that I was waiting to see. This video brings me remembrances of my childhood. Puerto Rico had this Mackies from 1955 to 1972. I love the bus itself and its motor sound. Is unique! It is a Macj!!!
Likewise for San Francisco. They operated Macks for a few years longer then '72 though agree with you. Fond memories growing up riding on these. San Francisco also recently restored a Municipal Railway Mack C49DT of it's own too!
The engine is definitely a Mack Thermodyne END 673: 672 cubic inch inline 6-cylinder, non-turbo, direct injection 4-cycle diesel. 175HP @ 2100RPM, 480 ft-lbs. torque @ 1200RPM. It sounds like it's running at half the speed of the more common and comparable Detroit Diesel 671 and 6V71 (426 cubic inch, 238HP @ 2100RPM, 600 ft-lbs. torque @ 1600RPM) engines, which were 2-cycle engines (twice as many power strokes per revolution). The END 672 was replaced by the END 673 in 1953. This bus is a 1956 Mack C-49-DT. The transmission is a Spicer 184 2-speed Turbo-Matic, a really simple design that used a torque-converter coupling for "first gear" and a direct mechanical lockup for "second gear", just like the Allison V-drive transmissions used in the old GM buses. I got to ride on only a few of these buses when I was going to junior high school in Buffalo. They were on the verge of being retired. I'll never forget the distinctive low-speed "growl" these engines had versus the "screaming Jimmy" Detroit Diesels in the GM buses. Buffalo's NFT replaced the last of the Macks with GM "New Look" buses in the early 70s. We're going to NYC sometime this winter or spring. I really need to see if this bus is still making the rounds. I heard that the last time anyone saw it on the road was in 2012. Thanks for the video!
I remember them well. Used by the RTS in Cleveland when I was a kid. None of them looked anywhere as neat as this bus, nor ran/sounded so good. Later buses in the RTS fleet were GM models and did have a different sound, but I wouldn't say they screamed. And for sure, none of them were able to break 45 mph.
THANK YOU for this video, BRAVO! I remember the Mack buses while growing up in NYC. I particularly loved the sound of its diesel engine versus the GM TDH buses. I collect diecast models and have a Corgi GM TDH bus model and was looking for a diecast Mack C-49-DT model, but the model I found was $549 (yikes)! I don't want it that badly lol, but I love these buses so thanks for the cool video.
The Springfield (Massachusetts) Street Railway had several Macks in the 50’s and 60’s mostly used for school charters. Some were gasoline some were diesel.
In the 1950s and 60s in Brooklyn, the NYCTA used these Mack buses to hold down the Utica Ave, route and on Staten Island the #117 route to the ferry from New Dorp.. They went like hell, but their most noticeable feature was their incredibly, stiff bouncy suspension that could toss you out of your seat. Kids loved it!
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the old look GM's had the worst suspension. Living on Long Island as a teen and unable to afford the LIRR fares back then, I would take 2 buses to Jamaica for the subway. First a Mack with the Hempstead Bus Company from East Meadow to Hempstead then an old look GM from Hempstead to Jamaica on the Bee Line. I don't remember big bumps on the Mack but loved to sit in the back of the GM when it went over a bump.
believe it or not these are lightweights compared to todays buses- the mack C series weighed in at approx. 1o tons and produced approx 175 hp diesel- thermodyne 6 cylinder/ auto trans todays buses weigh in at approx 16 tons and have uo to 3oo hp / turbo diesel detroit or cummins depending on whether its an rts or an orion/ the hybrids I am not addressing ay this time.
scott prendergast And the Mack C series got a reputation of being a fuel guzzler and too heavy in the 40s and 50s. The GM old looks were lighter and their 2 cycle engines were easier on fuel. My home town bought 20 Mack's in 1947 but the next bus order in 1958 went to GM. The Mack's hung on until 1965/66 and the GM's until 75/76. We had Fexible starting in 1976 then Grumman and now a mix of Gilig phantom and low floor. Oh and we had 36 AFC Brill busses in the 50s and 60s too.
bob lackey SORRY TO BE GETTING back to you so late bob lackey The mack weighed in at 20+thousand pounds while the GM at approximately 17,800 - The mack was heavier because if its more robust and stronger build quality- it had a Body on frame construction- extremely strong and in the industry called the " fortress frame" back to the motor- The thermodyne was a stronger engine than the 6v71 diesel on the GMC OLD look- the 6v71 2 stroke was an extremely heavy oil leaker as are most Detroit diesels- MACKS were more costly to maintain because they were heavier to with an almost 700 cubic inch thermodyne diesel and super thick heavy metal "fortress frame" As Mentioned earlier. The nyct was actually the most loyal mack customer ordering over a thousand of mack rigs from post ww2 period (when it was known as the dept of transportation) until the last order of buses in 1956- While their buses were the most durable and Strongest of ALL competitors- especially GMC, (good looking as well) Mack decided to go where the money was and use the assembly lines for their EXTREMELY successful truck business - even though the NYCTA put a very big order in '56- MACK stopped building buses shortly thereafter
Wow BEAST ALERT SO NV STRONG COMPARED TOBTHE GMC ALOT HEAVIER THO LESS FUEL CINSUMPTION EFFICIENCY THEN DD more truck than bus - it was on the wish list of all transit properties burnt more expensive Like a Mack it outlasted all buses
WEll, metroktransit, you have your answer as to the engine (Mack Thermodyne END 673) and transmission (2-speed Spicer V-drive TurboMatic and I'm guessing 183 or 184).
Incredible treat huh?! Built like a MACK TRUCK the c 50 was heavier stronger and its diesel was Pure MACK BULLDOD END TYPE 172 hp high no effeminate cow Like whine of the der Trout Diesel there people! It’s superior workmanship Meant it was more expensive and took more to Maintain because of its 12 ton weight I remember hearing about an accident Where a c50 went through a 3 foot Brick and cinder block wall and was still intact save for Severe denting and a broken windshield- no chassis warp The gym New looks success was its Cheapness it costLess And was A lot lighter at 0.5 tons as opposed to the bulldogs 12 ton and Change weight- just listen to the diesel idle at the end of the tape- when I was about 5 I remember going to Coney Island on the b68 our of ummed park we boarded at the first Eat Stop at barrel Pritchard SQ and did thaWHOLE 8 mile Run to west 5st and surf avenue- I would say POP!POP!!its a Bulldog Mack A BULLDOG MACK- my father years later Told me he could Never figure out the difference between tone gmc 5105 an the MACK c 59 and acted li Was Touched In the head lofMACKS SUCESS WAS ITS FAILURE- Aka Too expensive to run
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I remember the Mack buses on the B22(Now Q24) Atlantic Avenue Line. Just the noise brings back memories.
Also, no MTA Buses ran in the Rockaways prior to the MTA Bus Company takeover of The Triboro. Coach Company's & Green Bus Company's & Jamaica Buses Inc's Routes.
We had these nice Macks in Buenos Aires in the 50´s. Seats and windows slightly different. Unforgettable.
I loved the sound and acceleration of the Macks on Coney Island Avenue in Brooklyn although they were second to the St. Louis trolleybuses.
Hey I took the b68 ci bus too!
1965
Beautifull
Thanks You for putting this video that I was waiting to see. This video brings me remembrances of my childhood. Puerto Rico had this Mackies from 1955 to 1972. I love the bus itself and its motor sound. Is unique! It is a Macj!!!
Likewise for San Francisco. They operated Macks for a few years longer then '72 though agree with you. Fond memories growing up riding on these. San Francisco also recently restored a Municipal Railway Mack C49DT of it's own too!
The engine is definitely a Mack Thermodyne END 673: 672 cubic inch inline 6-cylinder, non-turbo, direct injection 4-cycle diesel. 175HP @ 2100RPM, 480 ft-lbs. torque @ 1200RPM. It sounds like it's running at half the speed of the more common and comparable Detroit Diesel 671 and 6V71 (426 cubic inch, 238HP @ 2100RPM, 600 ft-lbs. torque @ 1600RPM) engines, which were 2-cycle engines (twice as many power strokes per revolution). The END 672 was replaced by the END 673 in 1953. This bus is a 1956 Mack C-49-DT.
The transmission is a Spicer 184 2-speed Turbo-Matic, a really simple design that used a torque-converter coupling for "first gear" and a direct mechanical lockup for "second gear", just like the Allison V-drive transmissions used in the old GM buses.
I got to ride on only a few of these buses when I was going to junior high school in Buffalo. They were on the verge of being retired. I'll never forget the distinctive low-speed "growl" these engines had versus the "screaming Jimmy" Detroit Diesels in the GM buses. Buffalo's NFT replaced the last of the Macks with GM "New Look" buses in the early 70s.
We're going to NYC sometime this winter or spring. I really need to see if this bus is still making the rounds. I heard that the last time anyone saw it on the road was in 2012.
Thanks for the video!
I remember them well. Used by the RTS in Cleveland when I was a kid. None of them looked anywhere as neat as this bus, nor ran/sounded so good. Later buses in the RTS fleet were GM models and did have a different sound, but I wouldn't say they screamed. And for sure, none of them were able to break 45 mph.
+David Midgley I do,too, but I remember the GM Old Looks so much more..
Wow Finally video on board the Mack bus many thanks
THANK YOU for this video, BRAVO! I remember the Mack buses while growing up in NYC. I particularly loved the sound of its diesel engine versus the GM TDH buses. I collect diecast models and have a Corgi GM TDH bus model and was looking for a diecast Mack C-49-DT model, but the model I found was $549 (yikes)! I don't want it that badly lol, but I love these buses so thanks for the cool video.
Me too!!!
Wheels of Time did some very nice Macks in N scale.
The Springfield (Massachusetts) Street Railway had several Macks in the 50’s and 60’s mostly used for school charters. Some were gasoline some were diesel.
The Mack engine is a model END-672 4-cycle, in-line six-cylinder type. The transmission is a Spicer 2-speed synchromesh V-drive unit.
CTA Chicago Transit Authority Had Mack Old-Look Propane Buses
In the 1950s and 60s in Brooklyn, the NYCTA used these Mack buses to hold down the Utica Ave, route and on Staten Island the #117 route to the ferry from New Dorp.. They went like hell, but their most noticeable feature was their incredibly, stiff bouncy suspension that could toss you out of your seat. Kids loved it!
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the old look GM's had the worst suspension. Living on Long Island as a teen and unable to afford the LIRR fares back then, I would take 2 buses to Jamaica for the subway. First a Mack with the Hempstead Bus Company from East Meadow to Hempstead then an old look GM from Hempstead to Jamaica on the Bee Line. I don't remember big bumps on the Mack but loved to sit in the back of the GM when it went over a bump.
@@sgtjeff56 they did Jeff
B46 Utica
believe it or not these are lightweights compared to todays buses- the mack C series weighed in at approx.
1o tons and produced approx 175 hp diesel- thermodyne 6 cylinder/ auto trans
todays buses weigh in at approx 16 tons and have uo to 3oo hp / turbo diesel detroit or cummins depending on whether its an rts or an orion/ the hybrids I am not addressing ay this time.
scott prendergast And the Mack C series got a reputation of being a fuel guzzler and too heavy in the 40s and 50s. The GM old looks were lighter and their 2 cycle engines were easier on fuel. My home town bought 20 Mack's in 1947 but the next bus order in 1958 went to GM. The Mack's hung on until 1965/66 and the GM's until 75/76. We had Fexible starting in 1976 then Grumman and now a mix of Gilig phantom and low floor. Oh and we had 36 AFC Brill busses in the 50s and 60s too.
San Francisco ran Macks from 1955 to 1975 . They were brought for Muni between 1955 and '60 .
bob lackey SORRY TO BE GETTING back to you so late bob lackey
The mack weighed in at 20+thousand pounds while the GM at approximately 17,800 - The mack was heavier because if its more robust and stronger build quality- it had a Body on frame construction- extremely strong and in the industry called the " fortress frame" back to the motor- The thermodyne was a stronger engine than the
6v71 diesel on the GMC OLD look- the 6v71 2 stroke was an extremely heavy oil leaker as are most Detroit diesels- MACKS were more costly to maintain because they were heavier to with an almost 700 cubic inch thermodyne diesel and super thick heavy metal "fortress frame"
As Mentioned earlier.
The nyct was actually the most loyal mack customer ordering over a thousand of mack rigs from post ww2 period (when it was known as the dept of transportation) until the last order of buses in 1956-
While their buses were the most durable and
Strongest of ALL competitors- especially GMC, (good looking as well) Mack decided to go where the money was and use the assembly lines for their EXTREMELY successful truck business - even though the NYCTA put a very big order in '56- MACK stopped building buses shortly thereafter
And the MACK Thermodyne END 673 is a SCANIA direct injection diesel
The Chicago Transit Authority had these Mack Buses as propane buses(Series 7200-7299)
Uruguay had Mack Bus
Wow BEAST ALERT
SO NV STRONG COMPARED TOBTHE GMC
ALOT HEAVIER THO
LESS FUEL CINSUMPTION EFFICIENCY THEN DD more truck than bus - it was on the wish list of all transit properties burnt more expensive
Like a Mack it outlasted all buses
Being honest I never knew Mack made busses. We had GM old looks. I wandered if the engines are the Detroit diesels or Mack engines?
If you wanna get back...better make it a Mack.
GM 671 engine and Allison trans.
Who owns this bus and 1059? Neither of them is listed in the Transit Museum vintage fleet.
Were those buses always non-smoking? Even as kids we were allowed to smoke on board during the 1980s.
WEll, metroktransit, you have your answer as to the engine (Mack Thermodyne END 673) and transmission (2-speed Spicer V-drive TurboMatic and I'm guessing 183 or 184).
but...description aid .."Allison..".
Unless they switched to Allison transmissions later, Mack used Spicer automatics.
SF Muni had these Mack buses also.
Sounds like a detroit.
Incredible treat huh?!
Built like a MACK TRUCK
the c 50 was heavier stronger and its diesel was Pure MACK BULLDOD END TYPE 172 hp high no effeminate cow
Like whine of the der Trout Diesel there people! It’s superior workmanship
Meant it was more expensive and took more to Maintain because of its 12 ton weight I remember hearing about an accident Where a c50 went through a 3 foot Brick and cinder block wall and was still intact save for Severe denting and a broken windshield- no chassis warp
The gym New looks success was its
Cheapness it costLess
And was A lot lighter at 0.5 tons as opposed to the bulldogs 12 ton and
Change weight- just listen to the diesel idle at the end of the tape- when I was about 5 I remember going to Coney Island on the b68 our of ummed park we boarded at the first Eat Stop at barrel Pritchard SQ and did thaWHOLE 8 mile Run to west 5st and surf avenue- I would say POP!POP!!its a Bulldog Mack A BULLDOG MACK- my father years later
Told me he could Never figure out the difference between tone gmc 5105 an the MACK c 59 and acted li Was
Touched In the head lofMACKS
SUCESS WAS ITS FAILURE- Aka Too expensive to run