Voter ID: Is the Government Blocking Younger Voters
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Ahead of the upcoming local elections in May, the government has imposed a new ID rules in order to cast their vote. So in this video, we discuss what these rules are, why people oppose the government's move, and whether they'll have a major impact.
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Reminder that if you opt to vote by post, you can vote before the actual day, and you don't need voter id, and postage for papers is free, you don't need to provide your own stamps.
Just make sure it's going to the council office and not a party office.
Ironically, I would have thought voting fraud to be more prevalent with the postal vote.
@@devilscritic It is... when you go in person, they cross off your name so 1 vote per name.
Mail ins are only caught if the same person counts the same votes and matches the numbers which is very unlikely.
So, it's not a problem that some random Joe can walk into 10 different voting booths pretending to be 10 different persons (regardless if said persons are dead or if they even exist) and vote for whoever they want how many times they want?
You seriously don't see how NOT having a photo ID is a problem?
And the reason this is not a problem, by your logic, is that you don't know that it is a problem because you never looked into it?
So you don't have any evidence that voter fraud is happening because you never tried to find any evidence for it, and the reason you don't try to find any evidence is because, based on the lack of evidence, you decided it's not a problem and it's not needed to find any evidence?
And what the fudge is up with the library and oyster IDs? You're basically saying that, as long as I have some card printing equipment, I can basically print fake IDs and give them to random people and influence the vote?
You people need a government issued ID that is just as hard to fake as money, not this bull****.
How many counts of mail fraud is there though?
A quick Google shows very low voter fraud, in person and by mail.
Dont confuse the states for the UK...
Okay I can understand why a voter ID is added, but why are 60+ oyster cards valid but 18+ aren’t that just doesn’t make sense and really makes it feel like they are targeting a group.
Because they are, he elderly tend to vote for conservatives whilst the younger people tend to vote labour or something else
You need ID to apply for a 60+ card but not for an 18+
@@northpointcity- Yeah you do...
Yeah ... That is what Voter Suppression Means .... it Means ... They changed the rules to benefit voters that are more likely to vote for them and to handicap voters that are Less likely to vote for them.
If it was clear and obvious why they did what they did ... Then ... This video wouldn't be about voter suppression
BLATANT voter suppression
Rule of thumb when it comes to Voter ID: If you want to implement Voter IDs, give voters at least an ID prior.
You can get a certificate for free. I did that since I don't have ID. I support these laws anyway
Agreed. At least make it universal at age 18(rolls eyes in Korean).
@@Gypsy5042 yeah but that is extra time, annoyance, buerocracy and (potentially) lost income (if its only issued during your work time) that SOME people have to go through.
And it is a very clearly established fact that even small annoyances can turn of a LOT of people from doing things. even if they like/want to do them let alone things that are already somewhat of a bother.
IF you want to introduce ID checks (which make sense) you NEED to issue free/low cost a general ID WAY in advance.
And, to be fair, having one of those is a good policy to begin with. (as a german im speaking from experience. ^^)
Honestly i have no idea how you deal with a lot of the situations that we use ID for.
(like checking someones age when buying booze/age restricted games, etc.)
Whilst I’m am unhappy with the current government and the current political climate in the UK I avoid getting angry at it as I’m aware of how little I can do to change it… but this really ticks me off.
We had a letter come through reminding me to bring my ID to vote, the list for over 60s is absurd, they’ll even accept library cards of over 60s but not for anyone else, despite there being no difference between an the over 60s cards and anyone else’s. And yet they don’t accept university ID with a D.O.B and an up to date photo.
Many people my age who don’t drive are having to apply for provisional licenses just so they can vote.
Despicable
What do you exactly disagree with in terms of government policy? They seem to be getting on with the job and trying their best to fix the country after that muppet Liz Truss ruined it. I have a feeling you just hate the government because everyone else does, do some critical thinking. Have you even read any policy papers recently?
"Many people my age who don’t drive are having to apply for provisional licenses just so they can vote."
Even the TLDR report admitted that there is a free alternative available.
Its because literally every single 18 year old has photo id whereas as older people are significantly less likely to have it. Its needed for buying alcohol, learning to drive, flying, going into clubs and pubs(after a certain time) and im sure many more things. Old people just dont have or need proper photo id, as they dont need to prove their age, so they increased what counts for them. So odd that people are upset by this, there are way more valid things to be annoyed at the government for
'Library cards for over 60s' are not acceptable. I am over 60, and the only identification I can use is my driving licence... and since the DVLA has lost my renewal application, I don't even have that!
To play devils advocate I think its cause over 60’s need valid id to get those pensioner special cards but below that you dont.
Doesn’t make it seem any less bullshit nor like they are playing favourites with the old selfish twats who vote Conservative cause they hate people different to them.
They should have just made one simple list, applicable to all.
My wife is from overseas, she was very surprised that you could vote without showing any ID in the UK when she first arrived here.
I know the trope is that Tory MPs are detached from reality is a common stereotype but tackling crimes that they imagine are happening is ridiculous.
Funnily enough since the last election more Tory’s have been arrested for sexual assault than people have for voter fraud
yeye the grapes from immigrants is super duper not happening!
So i hope they grape your entire family! because it wont happen anyway right?
8% in Italy commits 40% of all grapes in 2017 GUESS WHO THOSE 8% ARE DIRTY GRAPE DENIER
Better question: why does the UK not have a national ID card for every citizen? Is this not the norm in every country?
It's quite practical but no, some countries don't have ID cards... the US and Canada for instance.
The Tory's are the ones who have resisted having national ID cards because they think it's big government 🙄
@@soundscape26I have a state id tho, I needed either that or a license just to be a functional member of society
There's PASS cards, like Citizen Card. Not free, but it's a really good alternative to driving licenses and passports. And government says they count, but not many people know about it.
@@kylehager4113 Ah alright... I knew there wasn't one at the Federal level but wasn't sure on the States themselves.
A key issue missed is that this information has not been widely provided. Unless you are very politically engaged, it is likely you will not know you need photo ID at the point of voting.
Compound this with the options for the elderly being travel cards while for the younger generations it has to be passports or driver lisenses, which a considerable number wont always carry with them, and this is a huge concern in terms of trying to rig the upcoming local and general elections.
I didn't know that voter ID was being required, until I walked past a billboard in Sheffield yesterday. I'll either be voting on line, or by post in the future.
The thing I don’t understand how you can require an ID to fulfill your civil duty if your government does not require you to have one? In most of Europe you NEED to have ID by law. So it’s not that odd. But here in the UK? I don’t see how that even went through and became a law. This country it’s truly bizarre
It is insane I agree. Ireland has no national id. I've voted without my id even being checked, once using my work id and once with my passport. this voter fraud idea is wild. If anything it should be easier to vote not harder.
It's one of the main reasons the UK is so popular with illegal immigrants.
The fact you don't need ID, means it's much less likely to be discovered you are in the country illegally.
@@Robbedem you need ID to get a job or rent a house. Employers and landlords are legally required to check them. They might not of course, but they would be committing a crime.
One of my friends doesn't have a passport and doesn't drive and he needs a whole pile of papers to do anything. I was opposed to id cards earlier because of the stop and search rules but I think voluntary id cards would help a lot of people
@@Robbedem yeah, some people even believe to be British citizens until they try to get a passport.
Note that this is due to quirks of the colonial times and some insanity like UK nationals not being allowed to enter the UK.
😂😂😂😂😂"It's not about the statistics, it's about the principle " says the government with no principles.
If your gonna make ID manditory for voting you gotta accept all types or not have the system at all.
Can someone take the government to court over this already?
It's not the same id
If you accept all cards, ID fraud would now be the problem. Plus, the reason why older people's IDs are more accepted is because of the options available for these old people.
@@neverepeatsbutrhymes Would like it being atleast partially written down.
@Never repeats US constitution is simply wack, it's so hard to make a constitutional amendment
No, you don't. In Canada you need 1 or more pieces of ID with your photo, name, and your address.
You can use your electricity bill, which has your name and address, but you also need a photo id with your name and picture that matches the name on your electricity bill.
Student id's almost universally don't have your address on them, so they can't be used to vote on their own.
Your driver's license has both, so it's effectively your government ID. If you don't drive, you use your provincial id card, which is exactly the same card as a driver's license, but you can't drive with it.
Your health card matched with an electricity bill also works. One has your picture, the other your address. Both have your name.
Every country should have at minimum a government issued photo id card.
Excellent use of the Brass Eye reference. Respect.
The Tories do not care about electoral fraud. It simply doesn’t happen in the UK. It makes far more sense that they are doing this to benefit by making it harder for demographics who are typically left of centre to vote.
Electoral fraud happens in the U.K…. Who wants to vote should get an ID.
Simple
The 4 May local elections are in England only. Incidentally, voter ID has been required in Northern Ireland for a very long time.
NI has offered a free id card for years
@@techheck3358 And local elections in May too. But later to avoid the coronation.
In the Netherlands, everyone aged 14 and over is required by law to present a valid photo ID (passport or ID card, or a drivers license) to police on request. You're not required (by law) to have it with you... You need to show it when voting, and the ID on your voting pass is checked with that on the photo ID. No other forms of ID are accepted. And you have to pay for the card (they are provided at cost, at about €70 for a card, €77 for a passport, valid for 10 years).
In Spain it's the same but the card isn't paid the first time and it's renewed for free unless you misplace or break it, in which case you have to pay. (Also it's 12€)
This is part of the reason the British public have/had resisted government attempts to force us to have ID.
In the UK, for the most part, you are not required to tell the police who you are.
Sometime the police try to suggest they require your identity regarding a terrorist threat, this is rarely true.
but isn't drivers license valid longer then 10 years?
@@kmeanxneth No, an ordinary car driver license lasts 10 years, after that it needs to be renewed with new photo's.
@@kmeanxneth not since photo's got involved, now they are only valid 10 years because your image will probably change over that period of time so you need a new one, that's the excuse anyway. the cynical would suggest it's another way to generate more money by charging the full licence cost every 10 years just to update a photo.
I'm sort of bias, but I think Canada has this sorted pretty well. In Canada everyone is issued a government ID in the form of a health card. There are also options for people without ID such as bank statements or prescription bottles. And as a last resort someone who is registered can sign a legal declaration to vouch for your identity.
Yup. At election time, everyone also gets mailed a voting card which is a secondary proof of identity. Voter ID makes sense, but it should not be onerous nor expensive.
I did that once while scrutineering at a pole. Lou, who lived next door, turned up without ID. That was dumb but I knew exactly who he was and where he lived.
Yes, I do t know why they can't do that, as well as driving licence or passport. It's rather odd really... maybe a cost analysis may not show its worth it...
Depends on the province, here in Nova Scotia our health cad is not a valid form of id, no picture.
Agree, during university I once voted with my roommate where neither of us were registered and I was the only one with I photo ID and it wasn't a problem whilst still being secure. As Long as the rules are sufficiently onerous that the same person can't fake vote multiple times, it simply can't be scaled up to a level that could actually have an effect without being exposed. Also our election counts are simple, secure and can be completed quick which is nice#
The Coalition in Australia tried to do this before the 2022 election but it never made it past the House
I can sort of understand why some people might want voter ID registration. However, if voter fraud isn’t a big issue, there no need for it. Anyway, it’s not like we have to show identification to pick up medical prescriptions or parcels.
Or Dominos pizza. You could just read a name off the screen and take someone's order. It's a bit risky though. They might turn up as you're stealing their food.
where I live, you need to show ID to buy a phone SIM
They don’t want “voter ID registration”, if they did, they’d make sure that everyone has a universal ID card like most countries in Europe, and use that as the required ID, what they actually want is suppressing young people’s vote
Btw, I just tell them my name and postcode when I pick my prescriptions up, never needed an ID for it
If you pick up a parcel you need a form of ID if they doing their job properly. Prescriptions well who would know your name, and the pharmacy your picking it up from? Only you or people you’ve told would know that.
In effect anybody could turn up to a polling station, use your name and address and vote. They’ll cross your name out as they do it. Then you turn up and you can’t, because they think you have already. I agree presently voting fraud in the UK is very, very small. However we need to stay ahead of the game so that it doesn’t become a problem.
The election in America 2020 should ring alarm bells. The ease of fraud in elections from those with intent is unforgivable. There should be zero chance of more than one vote per person, or voting using somebody else’s vote. Photo ID and voting in person, on paper also, should eliminate almost all fraud.
Tell me you're rigging elections without telling me you're rigging elections.
Gerrymandering is a far bigger problem anyway.
Show me a 18 year old who doesn't have an ID to buy booze
@@kmeanxneth Plenty exist, it's not hard to find teens that don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, or that simply acquire those things by means other than proving their age. Other than my passport, I didn't have anything that would pass for proof of age until I got a provisional driving licence at the age of 21.
@@shamanahaboolist thank you for this, i forgot this word!
Make no mistake, the Tories know *exactly* what they are doing and are banking on this tactic to give them a boost at the polling booths.
There's really no reason for them, it's only gonna make it harder for some people to vote, especially younger people who don't have an ID yet
You can apply for a free voter ID, FREE
@@a030055 Okay so by this logic it should be fair that everybody should have to do an 10 mile walk before voting, doesn’t cost anything. Your argument that it’s free falls flat on its head because having to get it is a form of effort and as such a form of payment, it’s just another bit of friction added which will make some people say “not worth it”
@@a030055 And? Just because it's free doesn't mean it's easy or fair, and IDs take so long to come too, there's no reason young people should have to get another ID simply to be able to vote. They're only targeting young people here
They do have ids, just not the correct accepted ones.
@@bluhbluhblahblah If you cant spare the 30 minute walk, maybe you shouldnt be voting in the first place. A great way to prevent the ignorant from voting.
If oyster card is ok, student ID should also be ok, as there is already a reputable body that has issued it.
What about international students. They could easily vote with student ID.
@@theuglykwan nope, because you have to be registered to vote :)
If you are not on the list, you don't vote.
The old people Oyster card is issued by the local authority rather than TFL.
So I don't think they are the same.
> student ID should also be ok, as there is already a reputable body that has issued it.
Define "reputable". It's not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. 60+ Oyster photocards are issued on condition of proving age and address by another valid form of ID, and are issued by the cardholder's local London authority, which is the same entity that would issue them a Voter Authority Certificate. However, for 18+ Student Oyster photocards, none of these things are the case; rather, the cardholder's school effectively issues them the card.
@@JivanPal mate, student ID is provided by an university, not some oyster bar downtown in Brighton.
If you don't think a university is a reputable institution , then you have to do some soul searching!
The fact that the elderly can use ID such as Oyster cards, but younger folk can't pretty much tells you all you need to know about the motives behind this.
Tbh, i think it's pretty fair. Older people face much greater challenges updating their docs than younger people who can easily do these things online
@@RFXZ67966 it just so happens to be the crowd that generally vote tory that benefit from it.
What a wonderful coincidence.
I think this fits in to a preestablished narrative and it's pretty easy to accuse it of misplay but in reality, I suppose that there are much greater checks around over 65+ cards as they'd need to be checked against a database or confirmed with some id whereas I can get an oyster card from the newsagents in two minutes and I'm sure I could get a student card without much verification either
Fair would be allowing the same type of ID to be used by all ages, such as Oyster cards and photo bus passes. It discriminates against younger people who have then have to purchase a different form of identification should they be lacking during a cost of living crisis. I hold out very little hope for the new certificates to actually arrive in time for people to be able to vote.
@@MrLeeFTW So yep, just as I wrote before, I think there are greater checks around over 65+ cards. Also, there is a conversation to be had here about equality and equity. I don't think my grandmother would be as likely to have a driving license or passport as someone my age and if she had to renew it... she just wouldn't be able to buy herself
Northern Ireland (which is part of the UK) has required ID for voting for a while. I found it strange going to GB and finding out that it wasn't the case there
Well you did have a war there ??
I mean it makes a lot of sense to have voter identification there so that Republicans from the South and Unionist across the sea don't come in and make elections and referendums unrepresentative.
@@petermizon4344 relevance?
Yes, I'm from Northern Ireland and I remember in school getting my electoral register ID card (which I still own nearly 10 years later, picture of me in my school uniform!)
Northern Ireland had a pretty unique situation in that paramilitaries existed. With a large section of the country (Republicans) not recognising the legitimacy of the Northern Ireland government. Voter intimidation and voting sabotage were considered fair-game in such a fraught conflict zone as Northern Ireland. Of course, ID would be logical in Northern Ireland. Such situations do not exist in Great Britain.
We very much do have free electoral ID cards in Northern Ireland. I didn't know this wasn't UK-wide until I tried to use mine as ID in Scotland...
It makes perfect sense to have an ID card, indeed.
F.
I live in Gibraltar and when I've gone to vote, I've needed ID - usually my Gibraltar issued ID card. IIRC, the UK pulled out due to people voicing privacy concerns. Why does pretty much the rest of Europe have ID cards then? If the UK made them available for £5-£10 per person or free under certain conditions, it would make life easier.
The Tories are the ones who have resisted offering national ID cards
why tf should we pay for em?
should be free instantly.
@@davidty2006 not everything is free in life. A nominal fee to help cover the production is better than what is paid for a new passport.
@@ant647448336 if some people are weary of state IDs, why are they fine with passports?
@@user-op8fg3ny3j Exactly my thoughts. Passports are OK though, as it allows them to go to Magaluf, Ibiza, Bulgaria etc for holidays.
The problem here is not voter ID per se but a lack of universal government ID.
Why should there be one?
I dont think the photo ID requirement is really the problem, because that seems quite sensible tbh, but the implementation. In Germany we need to bring photo ID to elections and I dont really mind it. However we do have a government ID card which everyone from the age of 16 is required to have. The UK government allowing oyster 60+ but no Oyster 18+ or student ID is ridiculous and a clear sign as to who they prefer to vote....
It's not as clear cut as you seem to think it is. 60+ Oyster photocards are issued on condition of proving age and address by another valid form of ID, and are issued by the cardholder's local London authority, which is the same entity that would issue them a Voter Authority Certificate. However, for 18+ Student Oyster photocards, none of these things are the case; rather, the cardholder's school effectively issues them the card.
They literally admitted that it's not based on statistics, how can anyone take this seriously
You need to take it seriously. If you turn up without id you won't be allowed to vote.
Shadow Glider statistics can be made up by anyone this is the problem with TLDR News they say "they don't have a political agenda" they are completely left wing
@@chesterdonnelly1212 can just stab the guard and head on in.
If the government offers young people free ID to vote and they don't apply for it, and in turn they can't vote. Tough.
As a grown man I had to pay for all forms of ID I have.
The only person I know who doesn't have ID is my 73 yo mother. I've arranged a postal vote for her instead.
@Adrian Thoroughgood She could've also applied for one of those Voter authority certificates if you weren't able to arrange a postal vote in time.
Huge thumbs up for the Brass Eye clip!!!👍
Feels like an appropriate video to let everyone know you can apply for a specific voter document, free of charge.
They did say that in the video, twice.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Then I question the motivation behind the sensationalist headline
@@benbutcher9672 in any story about voter suppression it's never impossible for person X to vote, it's just more difficult, either because they have to do extra steps or they don't know that they need to do extra steps. Eg one of the issues in the US was people were getting removed from the register even though they were eligible and they weren't told they were removed. So they could re register just before the election and they would be fine, but they didn't know they needed to and they shouldn't have needed to, and it was done in a way that targeted particular groups more than your average person. The only problem with what is happening here is that there will be people who don't know they need ID or that the ID they already have isn't accepted until it's too late to fix it. I think there should be a backup mechanism so that people who try to vote without acceptable ID can still vote anyway by doing extra steps, at least for the first couple if elections until everyone is used to the new system. Eg you could have a separate provisional box for votes from people without ID so if the real person came along later with ID then you know the first one was a fake and you discard their vote and if no one else by that name votes then you assume they were the true voter and count it. They do something like this for elections in some states in the US.
I'm going to guess that most of them show up later than the election. Maybe even with priority given to processing over 50's applications.
This same exact thing happened in the USA with exactly the same arguments and reasons for doing it.
In-person voter fraud is ridiculously rare because there is such a low reward for such a high risk under the old system. You probably don't want to pretend to be someone at the same polling place -- you might get noticed so you gotta travel around. On top of that, you have to be mostly sure that the person you're impersonating hasn't already voted (and isn't going to if you arrive before them). That's because your name gets crossed off the list. If a second "you" shows up, it's an immediate red flag.
And the penalty for voted fraud is something like 5 years in prison in most states. All to add a handful of votes to the literal hundreds of thousands? You'd have to be mental to try and game the system this way (or any way, really).
The sane solution to this non-existent problem is to just give everybody IDs. You already have their addresses in the voter rolls. Just flipping mail them an ID. Put a little bar code or chip in it for verification and viola! Of course, this assumes that election security is the goal -- not voter repression.
You would have to have photos of everyone to he able to send everyone an ID though. They do already send everyone a polling card but that has no photo so people could impersonate you by stealing it.
Simple Solution to both turn out and ID: Make voting compulsory and by postal vote. It gets 81% turnout here in Victoria.
Making anything compulsory in the UK will not go well
but then your votes are almost always on weekends or public holidays right? they make it harder here by making it weekdays always
If all the parties don’t represent me in the anyway why should I be forced to vote for one
@@duncanhastie1633 No one has every desire covered by a party. Sometimes you vote for a party because it's your best chance at stopping the party you like least getting in.
@@duncanhastie1633 You don't have to, you could put in a blank ballot. Parties are gonna notice if the rate of invalid ballots jumps becuase thaztx a whole lot of voters they could try and appeal to. Maybe they don't represent you in this election, but you can still have your ssy by highlighting that this is the case.
I thought having an ID was standard across every country.
by a lot of means and simply no.
USA also does require or have national photo ID.
The closed equivalents are the US passport card (which practically only has limited use cases) and state issued drivers licenses (which is the most common).
The state issued drivers licenses may or may not include nationally.
For me this is a silly question because we can't vote without an ID and we have scanners to register that we voted to prevent fraud. But then I find out UK doesn't have a nation ID and that's even more silly.
It's been completely fine before.
And it's only now when the tories want to do it by chance when they doing very fucking badly.
seems really sus like they are trying to rig elections.
PASS cards (like the Citizen Card) are supposed to be general valid ID, but they aren't really advertised and nobody knows about them. But they're not free.
@@neverepeatsbutrhymes yeah every illegal/non-uk person can Vote in UK XD
You think it's silly because you're engaging in chauvinism and pretending your system is better. The main reason to have ID to begin with is to validate people's identity so you know the numbers of people who have cast a vote are valid and that everyone's vote is cast in their own name, and with the UK system instances of voter fraud are incredibly rare as shown by the electoral commission's annual data on it. Elections are firmly safeguarded from any attempts to manipulate them and pretty much everyone is enabled to securely vote in their own name according to their registration on the electoral roll.
Dutch local here, we've done ID based voting since forever, and since kids starting at 14 years are required to carry ID with them anyway, not as much of a problem.
Fair enough but the UK does not have a national ID scheme unlike most countries, therefore policy decisions like that just stink.
@@pritapp788 Yeah, there was a lot of bitching and moaning when the national ID scheme launched way back when, lots of resistance I assume would be similar over yonder.
Is it a good idea to be proactive and solve problems before they appear/get noticeable? Yes.
Is this a poorly disguised attempt to supress younger voters? Also yes.
None of the reports into this have found it a problem. It isn't fixing anything.
isn't it better if you need to proof of their identity to Vote, so any illegal/non-uk person can't Vote.
The Elections Act 2022 was passed in April 2022 you have had more than a year to get ID I'm sorry if that's not enough time you don't deserve to vote.
@@SaintGerbilUK "You don't deserve to vote" - you're saying the quiet part loud again.
@@HansVonMannschaft so how many months do you need to get a basic ID?
Keep in mind this is the UK we're talking about... for the majority of young adults, you need an ID if you want a proper social life.
"proper social life" = alcohol, to you?
Can't even buy paracetamol without proving your age nowadays.
@@StupStups you can
If this can be discrimination, why isn't this raised in court?
"If this can be discrimination, why isn't this raised in court?"
Because anyone can get a voter ID if they want one.
@@NorthDownReader WTF is a voter ID?
It is very easy to get a Voter Authoritiy Certificate if you don't have a passport or driving licence.
All you have to do is take a passport style selfie (or get a mate to take it) on your phone then fill in the online form (your National Insurance number is required). The whole process takes five minutes.
You have until 5pm on Tuesday 25 April to apply.
@Never repeats ROFL.
The reach here to try and find a problem which doesn't have a 5 minute single question solution is admirable.
@Never repeats I can't take you seriously after you presented access to a camera in 2023 as a argument against voter ID.
It is very easy and FREE to get a Voter Authoritiy Certificate if you don't have a passport or driving licence already. If you have one of those, or other accepted ID, you are fine. Just bring it to the polling station and all is good.
To get a Voter Authority Certificate, all you have to do is take a passport style selfie (or get a mate to take it) on your phone then fill in the online form (your National Insurance number is required). The whole process takes five minutes.
You have until 5pm on Tuesday 25 April to apply ahead of the 4 May elections.
You gave me a gush of hope when you said May 4th elections as I thought there was a general election, rather than english local elections!
@theuglykwan I don't think any real evidence can be taken from these elections as Turnout is notoriously poor (30-40%). Some by elections have had a Turnout of less than 20%. This is without the ID requirement.
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As a foreigner, I am actually surprised that people could vote WITHOUT an ID. So anyone could just go vote pretending to be someone else without any proof?
Voting fraud is so unbelievably rare in the UK it really is a non-issue.
If they did it would be pretty obvious because the person being impersonated would be told they've already cast their vote when they enter a polling station. You likely couldn't steal the vote of someone who didn't bother to turn up and cast theirs because you have to register to vote, and if someone doesn't bother to turn up the probably won't bother to register. The only significant fraud that's ever been reported is people going around old people's homes and convincing them to do their postal vote for them, which is still quite rare and this wouldn't solve.
Lets say you voted pretending to be your neighbor. you would have gained a whole lot of 1 vote while risking jailtime and shit.
When done with low numbers it doesn't change the results and it is really hard to pull of with high numbers.
@@solusmaximus2566expect it does happen
@@solusmaximus2566 Yes... but how could you possibly prove it? If there's no IDs taken, then you could claim to be anyone and vote at a dozen polling stations in one day.
Incredible video! Showed it to my friend whilst I ate beans and chicken and chips. She loved it, and i even gave her a couple of chips, too! Thank you, pless :)
What I find really weird is too see countries where you can go around without an ID. I have carried mine everywhere since I was like 12 years old.
It’s illegal to walk around without an ID in the EU haha
cos YOU, are a sheep
@@simpower7 no it's not lol. The UK was in the EU and you didn't need id
@@simpower7 literally just not true, that's only the case in some specific countries, look it up before proliferating misinformation you goddamn clown
@@supernoodles908 It's not an EU thing, it's an individual country choice. But most (all?) EU countries require you to carry ID. And certainly for voting.
Just a quick point of order. The UK is not going to the polls in the next few weeks, only England and Northern Ireland are. Wales and Scotland are not. Other that that, good video as always.
This is removing the right of vote for youth.
but its actively making it less likely for a group to vote. what if labor decided you had to do a 10km run inorder to be a valid voter. the old could still vote but it'd be harder
@@arhamshahid5015 Many fat you people would not vote in that case either:).
BUT: Do you really expect labor to do this if they would win every fair election at the moment?
@@arhamshahid5015the id is a reasonable requirement that’s the difference
But its not reasonable that mainly IDs used by elders are allowed while most used by young citizens arent. If you make IDs mandatory, you need to make a national ID card for everyone.
@@rocksmo338460+ bus passes require a passport and proof of age etc to apply and they are issued via the local authority. That's the difference
young people - FFS get out and vote. because currently pensioners are running the country with their right wing voting.
it would help if we weren’t all so poor and having to work shifts because it consistently undermines your ability to vote.
I have registered to vote 3 times in the past 3 months and still have had no confirmation that I am registered. What can I do??
Reminder that you can apply for free voter ID from your local council. All you need is your name, address, photo, and national insurance number.
As an Indian I always wondered by people hate voter ID, we had it a long time ago
The happy little slave cannot grasp the concept of freedom….
@@davidwebb4904 What are you talking about,In India every eligible adult can get a voter ID regardless of who he is
@@accountforcommenting he is trolling you, let him be
When something has been x way for a long time people become normalized to it. Just as you are used to voter ID being required we are used to it not being required.
It is a larger pattern by the current UK conservative govt to attack democracy. They reverted mayoral elections from supplementary voting system to first past the post. They want to restrain the already restrained power of the court. They want voter ID to suppress votes that don't favour them. The voter certificate you can obtain for free doesn't even confirm anything as you just need to provide a photo and a national insurance number. There are no checks that the person applying is the the person on the national insurance.
What does that mean? It's useless as a voter ID check. It's to discourage less motivated voters who will mostly not be conservative voters. Over time I imagine they will tighten voter ID rules bit by bit.
Need I'D in Ireland, but, I just turn up with the ballot notification. Was never asked for I.D.
As a foreigner when I came to uk and went to vote I thought it was wild that no one verified my ID
Is Driver ID driver suppression? Is ID to buy tobacco, smoker suppression ? Is ID to open a bank account financial suppression? Seems pretty reasonable to have voter id regardless of ulterior motives from the Tory party. I could vote as my Dad or anyone in my street if I wanted to. Hardly seems right.
And you could get away with it so long as you:
a) don't vote again at the same Polling Station (so you'd be voting as them instead of as yourself)
b) pick someone who isn't going to use their vote
c) pick someone who isn't known to the returning officers (nor to anyone else who happens to overhear who you're claiming to be)
But, yes, it's pretty reasonable to have voter ID - which means having a universal, government issued ID that people can use to vote (and for other purposes). What we have here is a half-assed attempt at requiring ID without doing the work to provide it.
@@rmsgrey True but there are always going to be teething issues in implementing a national wide voter ID system from scratch. It's pretty much unavoidable. Could it be handled better? Probably but there was never going to be a smooth transition.
In Denmark the goverment sends every citizen 18+ a piece of paper telling you where to go to vote, when you get there you give them that piece of paper and in return you get a ballot. So, one piece of paper, one vote. Like having 1 ticket for the voting booth.
This also means you don't have to register to vote, the government knows whos a citizen, how old people are, and what their addresses are, so they just send those people a ticket by post.
Same in Italy
In the UK we get that card but we don't need it to vote. A lot of people vote on their way home from work and they might not remember to take the card with them.
in switerland, they also send out the document to vote. It it then up to citizen to write out (no crosses - you have to spell out yes or no) or select a list, put in a letter and then either put it in the ballot or mail box; both work.
Their primary supporters are old people. The younger folk fundamentally dislike the tories so you dont need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out why this is a thing
The young eventually become tories.
@@ietomos7634 Except that hasn't been happening for the current generations - there are theories about why - like the lack of home ownership - but the great rightward drift hasn't materialised.
@@rmsgrey Lack of home ownership and a declining birth rate is probably going to finish the tories off, maybe for good. As a former Conservative voter I'm glad. The tories never learn, just like Labour or any political party.
Please, can TLDR start a campaign of promotion of postal vote that doesn't requite ID? Promotion as is explaining what needs to be done to get a postal vote
Also, by when should a postal vote should be requested
@@davidcooks2379the deadline was Tuesday
@@WestLondonWarrior a bit late then talking about it now. People won't have time to get an ID if they apply now
@davidcooks2379 The deadline to apply for a Voter Authority Certificate is 5pm this coming Tuesday for the 4 May local elections.
If anyone you know doesn't have one and doesn't have access to a phone camera and the Internet, advise them to go to their local Council Offices and I'm sure someone will assist them.
Otherwise, they can take a passport style picture, fill in the online application form (they will need their National Insurance number) and they will get that posted to them.
It is unbelievable to me that in a country like UK there hasn't been any focus to ensure people actually have official IDs! In Italy I always had a personal identity card since I was I minor and when I turned 12 I got my own passport too. I don't understand why people doesn't think it necessary to own a document that attest your identity especially with the increasingly shocking cases of identity theft! 😮
Can you guarantee that no one can get a passport with (as) your identity in Italy.
Having a State/Country ID seems to me to be a way to increase the chances of identity theft.
As an Italian what would you do when your ID is stolen (bag or wallet taken), how easy is it to replace, how long will it take?
@@stephenlee5929 but don't you need ID card for buying alcohol? so
@@kmeanxneth It is not essential in UK.
The seller must determine (make there best effort to check) you are over the required age.
There is no list of approved IDs the purpose of buying alcohol.
There are many type of ID for this purpose, Student ID and Various transport IDs are possible as well as a 18+ ID you can buy.
The issue being raised is most of these IDs, which younger people user are not on the list of valid Voter IDs.
@@chemicalfrankie1030 Yes I know these IDs come with a photo.
Yes I know you can't easily use someone else's ID, but they will get lost/stolen along with credit/debit cards, so need to be replaced(replaceable).
Also having one (someone else's) may be a way to get a fake or illegal replacement, don't know this particular system.
Try reading Day of the Jackal, it describes as part of a plot to assignat the French President how many IDs can be gained (falsely).I believe the UK passport method still works, there were questions in parliament about it.
The point about the UK is/was, we don't need these IDs, its was what we (Brits) considered 'Freedom', we had them during WW2, and mainly they were removed around 1954, end of rationing. Note those were not photo IDs.
There was a backlash when Transport utilities required photo IDs (which they would supply) to use season tickets.
Last century Brits really did not like required photo IDs.
Show me a 18 year old who doesn't have an ID to buy booze! But I agree that student IDs and 18 plus oyster cards, should be valid.
Me. I don't drink or drive. Same with my friends. And my passport recently expired. Only id I have is uni student card which is not accepted.
@@hazelcrisp I fear that you are the exception that proves the rule, so to speak.
@@The_New_IKB then there are tons of exception just like me. And they shouldn't be deterred from voting.
Weird. I’ve not received any mail about this vote yet.
They're not happening everywhere. Only Northern Ireland and about half the counties in England.
It’s a great day when Brass Eye is referenced. Please find reason to reference The Day Today! 😂
Yes, obviously.
I can understand the need for Voter ID but I have concerns the way the government is doing it - like most things Westminster. Most other countries have some form of government issued ID and is needed for a lot of things, including voting (I was asked to put in my ID information to book an uber in Spain!) so UK is out of trend here, rightly or wrongly. The last local election my flatmate had picked up my poll card instead of his by mistake. So when I went to vote, my name was already scored off and I couldn't vote, despite proving who I was. This was an innocent mistake, and the occurrences are rare (EC says so), but the fact it's possible for something as important as electing a council or parliament to chose a government next 5 years seems off to me. The policy around what IDs are and aren't valid is what pisses me off about this. Over 60s Oyster ok but other's aren't? What makes an Over 60s Oyster so much more special to others? Student ID and PASS cards can be used for ID in any other setting (even settings where a photo travel card isn't) but not good enough for voting? It makes no sense, again, like most things in UK politics these days.
> UK is out of trend here, rightly or wrongly.
I would argue rightly, and that the existence of a trend is certainly not a good enough reason alone to start following it. Do we really want nation states to succumb to what is essentially peer pressure?
To clarify, I'm in favour of voter ID, but not necessarily in favour of mandatory national ID; I have no problem with the single notion of everyone being given a government issued ID, but then it is far too easy for a future government to mandate that citizens carry this with them at all times, and I'm certainly not in favour of making it easy to employ totalitarianism.
As someone where ID is required to vote, the argument that people dont have id's does not hold since people get their id's provided they need them. the really big issue is the fact they don't accept student cards or so.
Problem is when you require specific IDs that specific demographic does not have, it greatly reduces impromptu voting. If you are a student and hear about the voting on the day it's happening, you most likely won't be able to just visit the voting booth during lunch break because the new rules seems specifically tailored to exclude any ID that you might actually carry with you on daily basis. Submitting a request for appropriate ID and have it delivered to you within the same day while the voting stations are still open seems very unlikely.
all this is shocking for me, in my country you get the personal invite with the date and place where you can vote(closest polling station to your registered adress) and you need this and your passport(national ID) to receive a ballot
I suspect that this is a trial run to see how turnout can be affected before the general election.
Turnouts for local elections are crap anyway. Much lower and we'd be looking at zero.
Yes. Next question.
TLDR: UK citizens don't have ID-like papers, UK citizens vote by simply claiming they are who they are (impossible to know for real).
How do UK citizens prove they are allowed to work in the UK (illegal workers?) to their employer when applying to a job?
How does the Police/... fine somebody who did some really minor thing, how do they confirm the identity of that person?
If I were to take a train without buying a ticket... I get caught, but don't have the money to pay the fine... can I just give the name+address of a person I "dislike"? 🤨 How do "they" check the name I gave, to send the fine? Or do I get jailed until somebody comes to pay for me?!?
Voter IDs became a debate in Australia under the previous government a few years ago. It turns out that the amount of electoral fraud that happens as a result of someone voting multiple times or impersonating another person was so small that it was not enough to overturn any electoral margins, and was eclipsed by the number of administrative errors such as miscounting of votes (which could be fixed through a recount anyway) or by people not updating their home address.
Some thoughts… what ID do young people use to get into pubs and clubs? Where I live they use passports and driving licenses (it is not a wealthy town). Also, student cards and 18+ oyster cards* would leave a huge swathe of the younger population still without voting ID in the terms you are presenting. I was against ID cards when Labour tried to introduce them, but since the introduction of smart phones, Internet usage and social media, CCTV etc, we don’t have any privacy anyway, so I would have thought national card Identification would be the way to go.
* the difference between 18+ and 60+ here is that pensioners can get travel cards wherever they live, although some have to wait until they are 66 to get it.
Lord knows why we don't just have an official ID app.
There is a little smell of voter suppression attached to the list of IDs but it isn't as bad as the random excuses you listed for it being a bad thing.
What pubs?
There isn't any.
PASS cards are used for pubs/alcohol etc. They are valid.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 almost like all young people have a form of photo ID.
@@dww6 probably most but I wouldn't say all. Muslims probably wouldn't have a PASS card. If they haven't learned to drive they might not have a drivers licence. If they haven't been abroad they probably won't have a passport. Most will have either a uni or work ID card, but those are not accepted for voting.
I'm surprised to know that neither the UK or USA have ID cards per citizen. I live in Argentina and we all have one.
Neither does New Zealand. Just the same general list: passport, drivers license, and kiwi access card. The passport costs tons of money, the drivers license requires passing the test to be issued one - screwing over disabled people and people who use public transport. The kiwi access card requires having a passport or drivers license to even apply for it so wtf is the point. But at least the ID isn't needed to vote.
In the US people have ID cards issued by the states, they just don't have a national one. Don't know if it's compulsory to have one though.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I've watched CGP Grey video about it. I know that the Americans have a Social Security card that works as an ID, but no true national ID card like we have here.
@@daniel_rossy_explica the social security card doesn't have a photo so you couldn't use that for ID but like I said they do have proper ID cards but the are issued by each state. It's like in the EU you don't have an EU card, you have a French or German card etc. In the US you have A Texas or California card.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I see.
How am I only hearing about this now?
I am today's years old that I found out that there are nations that does not have voter's ID. Interesting.
Right? I was surprised as well!
If they’re going to do this they need to offer universal ID cards
You can get a free ID card easily online. It's only a problem if you just don't realise you need one until it's too late.
EITHER Voting I.D. is essential to counter Voter fraud - and all forms of acceptable I.D. are accepted including Student IDs and Young-Persons rail cards. OR Voter fraud is simply not a problem significant enough for the solution to risk politically disenfranchising millions of people in this Democracy.
This middle line they are walking SCREAMS of Voter suppression.
Why is this legal / allowed?!
What makes me furious is that if/when Labour attempts to resolve this injustice in 2 years time, they will be attacked for "allowing fraud!".
I reckon pensioners are significantly less likely to carry photo ID than under-25's, so the government is trying to mitigate shooting itself in the foot.
Student ID cards aren't generally recognised by anyone except the place that issued them, because they vary wildly from institution to institution, and no-one outside the uni / college can tell if they're legitimate or fake. For the same reason I can't use my work ID card when trying to collect a parcel from the sorting office, or similar.
In Canadian you can use any piece of government issued card ID can be used when your go and vote which includes your free health card you get from the government
Here in Italy everyone has some sort of photo ID (usually the National Identity Card, but there are other options), having one is not striktly mandatory, but you need it A LOT (say you want a phone number) and the police MAY take you to the station in order to take pictures for further identificstion if you don't have a photo ID (again this is not an offence, but it is inconvenient).
So, in orther to vote, one needs a photo ID and the Electoral Card, a simple document issued by the municipality that states where you are supposed to vote (the section and the address) and it has spots where it gets stamped with a date every time you vote. If you lost it/don't have stamping spaces, the office will usually be open over time during an election.
Oh, I forgot, the docunents that are considered a valid photo ID are becided by the law, not on a per-case basis: they need to be issued by a public administration, they need a pucture of your, date and place of birth, an expiry date, your signsture and a document number.
as a mainland european it's astonishing to me that the UK doesn't have government ID cards? like what?
If it was tried to be brought in, the tories and the gutter media would dig out some old war movie clips of a German soldier shouting "show me your papers' claim this is what they want to do and scare enough people into opposing it.
Different system, same effect. You provide ID when it's requested for verification purposes in the UK. It's your responsibility to get some form of ID sorted for yourself. With all the different forms of accepted photo ID, there's only a small number of people in the country who wouldn't be able to provide any form of ID if they were asked. And in the case of these elections, people without photo ID can get issued a free photo ID for voting purposes using information everyone has; Their face and their national insurance number.
Voter identification makes sense I guess. Accepting only 60+ cards and not 18+ cards is blatant voter suppression.
why exactly they banned 18+ cards, but not 60+ ? Why they banned student ID but not senior ID ?
from one person i heard you don't need ID to apply for an 18+ Oystercard, but you need ID to get a 60+
Not all of UK, ID is and always has been required for voting in Northern Ireland (probably due to our fraught political situation). I remember in school getting my electoral register ID card (which I still own nearly 10 years later, picture of me in my school uniform!) People came in to school and we all got time out of our classes to get this done for free.
Voter ID is required all across the EU
Yep. In some EU countries, ID is mandatory or ubiquitous (ie. they roll various ID functions into one so that although it isn't mandatory it will be carried by almost everyone).
So just saying voter ID is required across the EU sort of skips over that important detail.
It's like me agreeing that voter ID is reasonable in principle. Then I see how republicans in the US are weaponizing it to suppress votes. eg. in North Dakota they added in the requirement that they had to include a standard residential address to be valid. That was to effectively disenfranchise native americans who live in areas that use PO Boxes as standard. They wanted to dislodge the democrat senator as they are her voters.
For us either passport or ID card are valid. While the passport is something you don't necessarily need to have, but by law anyone above the age of 16 must have an ID card. Since you can only vote once you turn 18 it's not really feasible for one to not have a valid photo ID to present. If the UK doesn't have something like that then I can imagine it being a bit of a problem.
we dont never have even in world war two it was considered unbritish by the same party now demanding it for a non existence problem most polling stations here are small covering a few streets run by locals who know by sight most of the people who enter the polling station
@Never repeats it was people who didn't bother because most people have ID.
It so unreasonable to require Id, as clearly this is discriminatory to younger voters. How could we expect younger voter to have a drivers license, passport or some other valid ID.
How many 18 year-olds haven't gone on a foreign holiday? Very few.
In Germany it's really easy. You get a election notification as a letter some days before the Election. You need these to apply for Postal Vote. But you also need it to vote in Person. If You dont't have it with you you can show your ID Card, which is mandatory for everyone above 16. So same rules for everyone
It hasn't stopped me (I'm 29M) no matter what election it is.... I still go out there and vote. IDs are not a problem (since I have them anyway) I still will vote and it will not be Tories that I vote for.
this is the exact point, you and I are both wealthy and privileged enough to have photo ID but there are more than 3.5 million people who don’t, and they’re often marginal and vulnerable communities.
If people knew how democracy work they would be rebellion. People are voted into the parlament votes for you. The vote on parties is the circus coming to town where the clown making a trick. The party votes are promoted to derail the public to blank votes.
@siobhan-raekewley1682 It is very easy and also free to get a Voter Authoritiy Certificate if you don't have a passport or driving licence.
All you have to do is take a passport style selfie (or get a mate to take it) on your phone then fill in the online form (your National Insurance number is required). The whole process takes five minutes.
You have until 5pm on Tuesday 25 April to apply.
@@siobhan-rae privileged enough to have photo ids? Give me a break, a passport is a photo id and that costs £82.50. If people really view privileged as being able to spend £82.50 every 5 years then we've got a problem. Not to mention you can apply for the voters authority certificate for free! The only people affected by this change are the ones who are too lazy to apply.
@@justaguy7517 You shouldn't need to spend £82.50 or even 2 cents to be able to vote, it's that simple. If ID becomes mandatory for voting then the government ought to provide it free of charge, simple.
My experience as a German, both as a voter and poll station worker, where we kinda-sorta have voter ID laws:
1) You can show up to vote with either your Personalausweis (identity card), your driver's license, passport, or the Wahlbescheinigung (voting notice). You can present either of these three documents to vote, however if you show up only with your voting notice, which doesn't include a photo, you CAN be asked to produce either your identity card or driver's license to prove your idenity. The voting notice is sent to every eligable voter automatically.
2) Identity cards are cheap-ish, costing 37 euros, and are valid for 10 years. It is also possible to vote with a recently expired ID, especially in situations where the voter also brought their voting notice. Driver's licenses cost around 25 euros to renew and are valid for 15 years. Passports are more expensive, naturally, but it's nice to have them as an option.
3) Most of the time when I vote, I just bring my voting notice and keep my ID ready, in case a poll worker asks for it (rare, since I usually vote during my shift as a poll worker, but the handful of elections where I haven't served, it has happened). Voting notices are kept by the poll station workers, meaning they can't be used multiple times, plus the voter gets marked-off in the registry, too.
This way it's a very fair system, and it doesn't discriminate based on age like the oyster card situation in the UK right now (or in the US, where often gun licenses are valid, but not student ID, which is just as insane and biased, plus the US also doesn't have a general government-issued ID!)
I never really realised how it happened in other countries. In the Netherlands you get send a provisional ballot send to your house which you have to take. At the polling station you have to show a form of ID and the provisional ballot before you get your actual ballot. IDs aren't that expensive, last for 10 years and you can even use one that's expired for 5 years.
You basically need to own some form of ID, which can be a normal ID, driver license or passport.
When working at a polling station I got a list of invalid ballots which includes the ballot number, name of person and reason of invalidating. Usually it's about 80% deceased people in the days running up to the election, some people moved to a different region/country, some asked for a new ballot or officially registered someone else to vote for them.
Catch 22 . You need an id card to vote, since nobody has an id card nobody can vote.
No, it's not a fair system, it disenfranchises people. You do not have a vote fraud problem. No-one does this. Elections are rigged by controlling the actual ballot box, not walking in and voting with someone else's name. Having to pay for a card you don't otherwise need just to vote is absolutely about persuading people not to vote. It's completely undemocratic.
So, according to this video, before the new ID rule, I, a non-British citizen, could turn up to the voting station, say my name and adress, and vote without having to show any proof that I am eligible to do so???? How does that work???
It's not quite that simple. There's a list of everyone who's registered to vote in a given area, which is maintained by local authorities, and sent to each polling station. When you turn up and give your name and address, that's checked against the list, and, if you're registered to vote, your name will be crossed off the list and you'll be issued a ballot paper. If you're not registered to vote, you'll be politely told as much.
If you happen to know the details of someone who is registered to vote, you could claim to be them, and if they aren't voting themselves, then you could probably get away with it.
Wait, how can you vote without an ID? Surely they need to check if you’re eligible to vote in the first place when you show up at the polling booth? Amazing…
If you're not eligible to vote you're not in their voters list
They check who's eligible to vote in advance and have a list of everyone who's registered.
When you turn up, you need to know the name and address of a registered voter who isn't otherwise voting.
It still bewilders me how some people don't see student IDs as a valid form of identification for elections. It literally has your full name alongside your picture.
Prolly bcoz there are students with English looking names who are citizens of other countries... Or Bcoz the govern is really targeting the young ones, which is darn unfair.
@@lannguyen-pu1db they check your citizenship when you register to vote. That's why it has to be done weeks in advance. Voter ID at the ballot box is just to check that you are the same person who registered. It only needs face and name.
I agree, perhaps its not to do with ID but to suppressing younger voters?
i'm pretty sure younger people have a ID card or how you are going to buy alcohol without it
@@kmeanxneth In the UK here is no legal requirement to have ID to purchase alcohol.
The seller is required to be sure the buyer is over age (its also illegal to attempt to buy if you are under age).
The IDs used to 'prove' your age are many and varied and for the most part are not on the list of proofs for voting.
For the most part they prove your age but not your identity.
That is the basic point of this video.
As a university student, I reject the claim that young people don't have ID. One of the first things you do as an 18 y/o is go to the pub to buy a drink, and for that you need a valid form of ID such as a provisional licence. Less anecdotally, to open a bank account, which you need to receive a student loan or get paid for a job (I don't know of any employer who would pay staff nowadays in cash unless to avoid paying tax), you almost always need some form of photo ID.
As for why 60+ oyster cards are accepted but university student cards and 18+ oyster cards aren't, a very quick Google search will show that you need a passport or driver's licence to apply for a 60+ oyster card, but you only need to have enrolled at a school, college or university and have a London borough address to have an 18+ student oyster card. Similarly for a student card, you only need to be enrolled in a university course. Plus, these cards don't have any anti-falsification features (e.g. bumps or holograms) that driving licences have, for instance.
Re: the bank account, has it changed? I only ever needed my birth certificate and something mailed to me to prove my address.
2 things; if voter id is a problem then it could be solved better in one or two ways. If potential voters were to include a photograph with their annual application to be part of the register, or a password'number to accompany their application. Otherwise since before an election the poll card sent to every name on the register should either be produced at a polling station or should include a password/number to be used.
Secondly, since the register of electors is used to select people for jury service, do the id requirements apply then?
You do get the free voter ID from the same website as registering to vote. It's just that this was only set up recently within the last few months. It wasn't ready the last time there was the annual voter check. But remember that you don't have to register every year you only have to say that the existing list of residents in a house is the same as last year.
In Portugal we had voter ID and in theory it still exists but having your personal ID card is enough to vote.
Everyone has some form of government ID. You need to show ID for many things such as buying alcohol or getting government benefits. Asking to show ID for voting is perfectly reasonable. The only people blocked from voting are those who don't have a right to vote or are committing fraud.
Birth certificates and NI cards are not accepted as voter ID though, and those are the only government-issued ID I have.
I haven't ever been asked for ID for buying alcohol - probably because I don't think I've ever actually bought alcohol.
@@rmsgrey There are many instances where people are asked to show an ID, like if you are going to fly anywhere. I'm sure most Brits have some form of government ID. It's not a 3rd world country. It's not difficult to get an ID from your local council.
@@scottsimon1 Sure, I could get a passport if I wanted to spend more than my monthly food budget on it...
@@rmsgrey You can get a UK ID card for £15 & apply online.
@@scottsimon8543 Yeah, but that's a different claim than "everyone has some form of government ID"
Do not everyone in those countries have ids once they are 16?
No, lots of people don't
Everyone has passports, so I don't see what the problem is
@@KOLESNiii No they don't, loads of people don't have a passport
@@KOLESNiii yeah unfortunately passports are not as common as people assume
@@KOLESNiii 33 here, don't have a passport.
I do have a licence, but not everyone has one either.
I still think that compulsory voting and appropriate recent id is the most expressive process to ensure a fair representative election.
3:20 "could be coached" hope he had receipts
A quick Google search shows you don't need ID to apply for an 18+ Oystercard, but you need ID to get a 60+ one. I'd imagine that's why the 18+ oyster is not on the approved list. If all you have is an 18+ oyster, its the same as not having any ID😂
Its easier to point and yell discrimination than ask "Why?" It should be obvious that there was a difference.
@@insertphrasehere15 To both you and rené:
"Schools, colleges and universities must register on the TfL Scheme so their students can apply for an 18+ Student Oyster photocard. The registration fee is £25 (non-refundable)."
The university confirms you are real and you've enrolled to their institution.
What about student ID cards?
Don’t you think they get more rigourous checks than a 60+ Library card?
@Daniel O so I guess the only question is whether the universities and colleges are relaying citizenship status information on their students to TFL. Because while you don't have to be a citizen to enrol in the schools or obtain an 18+ oyster, you do have to be a citizen to participate in elections 🤷🏾♀️
Italy here to vote you need an ID card (driver licenze( driver that cost over 500€ , passport cost around 150€ or the european ID card cost 22€) which do you choose... Moreover when you reach the voting age you will recive a electoral card for free, paper card report your voting district (usually the nearest elemetary school) and the room, each voting you recives a stamp, when you finish the slots for the stamps or lose it you ask for a new one aways for free.
WTF you mean you can go arround without a valid ID? In portugal if my id expires, every company and their mothers with whom i have contracts spam me with calls to go and update my information
Does the first 2 letters of your channel stand for Totally Ludicrous?