I'm within the top 20% best paid employees in Poland with a mortgage on a 50-meter new apartment as well as an additional big debt I owe to a friend and which I probably won't cease paying for another two years. Under absolutely no circumstances could I afford a car, no matter how old, the costs of maintenance alone would kill my monthly budget. Maybe in a couple of years.
100% agree. I think either (almost) everyone should be able to afford cars or nobody should. Going back to where to the x % are able to while the peasents are stuck with public transport would be terrible.
It's only recently that I heard that some teenagers today mock people born before the year 2000 (especially those old enough to remember the time before 2000) by calling them 1900s people. Don't know how common that is. Hopefully not that much.
I wish they would just make public transport more affordable in more places. People wouldn't need all these cars if there were affordable alternatives.
this is why america is so ineffective to travel across too, if they had a few high speed rail lines then they've solved the problem, created jobs, and reduced carbon emmisions
Public transport is usually heavily subsidized with the government. Remember that when you use public transportation, most of the cost the taxpayers have already covered.
They can do both, people should have the liberty to travel the way they desire whether it's by public transport, car (I'm implying eco friendly powered cars), bike or walk. I'm someone who catches public transport for the majority of my journeys via buses & trains but this is unfair & wrong. It's placing restrictions on people's lives & I suspect that it's to track/ monitor where the public travels even more (in short they don't trust us or they're just being overly nosey which isn't needed). Also let's be honest this wouldn't be applied to the elites (rich / celebrities / governments) they would be able to travel via their own private vehicles; this is very similar with climate protests where some of the elites will talk about being more eco friendly & then they'll jump on their private jet back to the USA.
@@zjeee and who pays for the roads, infrastructure and the maintenance. Not to mention 30 billion euro per year in subsidies for the auto industry in the EU alone
5:40 slight correction for germany here: ⅓ third of our coalition, the FDP, wanted to stop/renegotiate the Deal. The other 2 parties were not in favour of this. The Minister of mobility however is Part of the FDP party and therefore Held the power to force a re-negotation, in spite of our green Party environmental minister wanting to vote for the deal. This move was very last minute and lead to arguments within the coalition
I thought it was surprising that a government involving the green party would make this awful move. It seems they did not do a good job of coalition negotiations to make sure they got the key positions for climate action.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 it is a three party coalition which makes it Harder to get key positions. They managed to get the ministries of environment, economy+climate change, culture, family, agriculture+food
@@christophhanke6627 getting environment and climate were clearly essential. I think transport was the next most important one to get. That requires ling term planning so things need to be done right now. A lot of good can be done to improve agriculture too, but IMHO that should have been a lower priority than transport.
It still blows my mind that a 3 ton electric SUV is subsidized but a 200kg ICE motorbike is taxed to hell. The motorcycle needs to ride about 1 million kilometers to even emit what it takes to build the needlessly big SUV.
how dare you, think about the emissions corrected with weight, the motorcycle is melting the ice caps! :D joke aside, it's a fucking joke that the EU regulations take the weight of the vehicle into the equation, that's why we can't have affordable stuff
If more people would use (besides public transportation of course) more motorbikes and scooters instead of cars for commuting (to work etc.), there would be never traffic congestion. The average car on the road has just 1.2 people on board.
SUVs are a figurative cancer on the cities due to their enormous size. ICEs are going to give you literal cancer though along with asthma and chronic cardiopulmonary diseases.
Those laws are tyrannical. As a Portuguese, I think having a personal car is freedom. Freedom to live in the country side to have your farm, freedom to go anywhere any time. Freedom to have your own schedule. Take our cars, and you take our freedom. Besides, public transportation is only present in big cities. Not being able to travel cheaply means rural inhabitants will be poorer. Its not right.
I can talk about Portugal a little bit. There's no reliable public transportation anywhere except between big cities and in big cities, you see cars that are 20 years old or even more, because new cars are not affordable and sometimes twice as expensive as our neighbours from Spain, because government is illegally taxing cars twice (IVA/VAT and ISV which is tax on vehicles) so cars can go from being affordable to not affordable easlily, while salaries are really low, that a car is seen as a costly necessity over unemployment. Yearly tax of new cars is extremely expensive. A friend of mine bought 2/3 years ago a Dacia Sandero for 14k euros new and he pays annually around 500€ of tax and another 300€ or more of insurance. While I have a 25 years old diesel car that pays 40€ of tax and I can have an insurance of around 100€. Guess what a minimum wage worker (760€ monthly) chooses? Guess what percentage of the population in borderline poverty (if they didn't get subsidies from the State): 40%! Investment in public infrastructure stagnated because of the high debt and years of austerity (that are still ongoing), while corruption in government and public facilities is still rampant and mismanagement of the country too. Brain drain is a contributing factor for this and caused by this. So yeah, Portugal will never abandon fuel cars unless there's public infrastructure and a reliable one. Portugal will never be like Norway that have 90% of electric cars unless they are significantly cheaper to the alternatives. I also see a trend of people buying old cars and restoring them because they have more parts available, are cheaper to maintain, have less tech and don't have anti-pollution measures because they often fail.
What percentage of people in Portugal actually lives outside of the big cities? Coming from an urban sprawl country (Belgium), Portugal seems well positioned to just upgrade its public transport a bit and promote biking
@@tobiascornille More than half of Portugals population actually lives outside their two major cities (Porto and Lisbon) and it's only in these cities where public transport is prominent. The very mountainous landscape isn't really ideal for biking either. Portuguese people really depend on their cars to be able to go do their groceries and espacially work. I knew somebody that lived close to Braga and wasn't able to find a job because he didn't have a car so employers wouldn't even consider him
@@DragonBlueSpirit ah interesting. I always thought the countryside of Portugal was largely empty. Yeah for those communities, cars will still be necessary i guess. Although biking/walking can already work for groceries etc in smaller towns (not between towns indeed)
@@tobiascornille I would definitely agree with you on that if the cities had a flatter topography. I don't know if you're even been to Porto (if not, you definitely should plan a weekend trip some day) but it is almost impossible to ride a bike there unless you have legs made of steel. I do agree that the public transportation system needs to be improved all over Europe, but being such an old continent with very old and tight roads, I don't think it is always possible. What I don't understand is how "new" countries like the USA that have excellent roads, do not have any major public transportation system (except places like New York of course). Europe is what it is.. some countries are over 400 years old and were not planned for our modern society. It's impressive to see that we managed to adapt our cities that well but you can not change the entire infrastructure without rebuilding an entire country/continent from the ground up
It works in towns but not in the countryside or small villages, or from town to or from these. That will never change as the cost of that regular public transport will never be viable. Also it’s not only people that need transporting but all kinds of goods and services, all over the UK, daily over large areas of the UK. If you do travel much out of larger cities, you would know that personal and commercial transport is essential and just how big the UK is overall.
@@todortodorov940 It had an industry building Soviet cars and even until the 1990s it built British cars in Varna. Another industry lost after the changes...
@Zaydan Alfariz According to Wiktionary it means something like "color" in Sanskrit. However, it seems to have other unrelated meanings in other languages so the name of the Bulgarian city likely doesn't come from Sanskrit.
@@theK1ller5 My family (and I) left in 1990, and back then I can only remember building busses - no cars. But may be BG did assemble soviet cars, especially in the 90's. Regarding the British cars - it's perfectly understandable those assembly lines closed. British cars are so uncompetitive (i.e. crap) that with few exceptions, not even in Britain do they build British cars.
20th century : "a country will be considered fully developped when everybody has access to a car." 21st century: "a country will be considered fully developped when nobody needs a car anymore."
The actual quote is: “A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transport” - paraphrased from Enrique Penalosa, former Mayor of Bogotá, Colombia
20th century : "a country will be considered fully developed when everybody has access to a car." 21st century theory: "a country will be considered fully developed when nobody needs a car anymore." 21st century practice: "a country will be considered fully developed when nobody can afford a car anymore."
As someone who absolutely loves ICE cars, I feel like we’re being pushed in a corner where people like me are not allowed to buy the one thing that puts a genuine smile on my face. This new set of laws is the worst thing to happen to people like me.
And all those aberrant regulations forget the size and weight of the car?! We are witnessing the plague of oversized, overwighted and un-aerodhinamic SUVs (often BEV and PHEV) that have a higher impact on the environment than a small ICE or Mild-hybrid car, all factors comprised.
They shut up about that mainly because they're the product of more regulations (regarding occupants and pedestrian safety). So, yeah, just as dumb as it sounds
those are made because the regulations were written when aluminium was expensive and plastics were rare. cars weighed more, so if you can make a huge vehicle made of new age materials like aluminium alloys, cheap steel, plastics and carbon fibre, you can always get around regulations designed for heavy steel, titanium and iron.
I mean, the regulations are aiming at pollutants emitted per distance driven, so it is a quite roundabout way of trying to make the cars smaller. Though I do have to say mandating size would work better
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
Interesting timestamps - guys I know you are trying to do more content and pushing it more and more especially in Nebula but recently there’s a lot of scrappy mistakes for your standards!
You have to be so careful tightening these regulations. Many manufacturers used low pressure piston rings to improve fuel consumption. But many are beginning to burn oil after just a few years. Regulations going faster than technology.
The timestamps are for another video on Ukraine. I've been seeing a lot of mistakes like this on your channel recently, I love the videos but you guys can do better than this!
This is not surprising unfortunately, as they insist on running more and more channels (seven so far), rather than ensuring quality control. Which is a shame, as this tends to undermine their reputation needlessly.
The (West) German post-war pacifist movement was directly funded by the USSR and was tasked with ensurimg that US nukes not be stationed in Germany in order not to disturb a Soviet invasion of the West, and when that failed, they switched their attention to nuclear energy because a nuclear power grid in Germany means a not Russia-reliant Germany.
😂 0,7% of electrticity in germany is nuke made 60% is Wind and solar and 20% goes to France because of financel problems with there nuclear powerplans,please check ur numbers.
Germany is the most anti green countries in EU. They make lots of fossil fuel private cars and burn lots of coal. Nuclear plants shutting down, it's just another win for them. Not everybody in the EU wants to be 100% reliant on russian/OPEC on transportation and energy
I think this will backfire badly. EU is undermining their own golden mine. Most of EU countries are dependent on car manufacturing, either directly or non directly. If sales in cars drop, because people couldn't afford new cars, partially because of these standards, the economy will suffer a very serious punch.
In Australia we have chronic infrastructure issues which could not support EV car ownership on a large scale or support the public majority in giving up cars as they are essential for transport. Public transport is poor and our spread of suburbs and towns relies on private transport. We are shutting down power stations with no viable replacement in order to satisfy unrealistic emission targets. Most people have no facility for charging EV's as there are few public chargers installed and a high percentage do not work. Most people rely on Public charge stations as the majority live in UNITS so cannot charge at home. With the increasing cost and unreliability of electricity the use of EV's is becoming increasingly problematic and EV's do not suit the requirements of most motorists here.
Canadian here, and literally everything you just said applies 100% here, as well. Huge nation, creaky infrastructure, garbage public transport, widespread population, obsession with impractical "green" power, barely any chargers, difficult home charging, power grid problems... All of it!
Even Germany is lying to itself, when it thinks the problems you mentioned aren't applying to it. Public transportation, while being pretty good in the big cities here, is still a huge problem for the vast majority of people outside these cities. Charing for EVs outside of private homes is non-existant and will remain so for quite some time. And then there's the cost-factor of electric mobility, as it will still be quite a lot more expensive to get one such vehicle in the first place, so the mobility of a lot of low income people will suffer drastically. I for myself, am looking forward to scrapping my private mobility, as my job doesn't allow me a lot of planability with my freetime. I sometimes don't even know when my single day off work each week is, until the end of the week before. I entirely rely on my car to travel in my freetime, as public transportation without planability is prohibitively expensive.
Will 'only' add €100 to the cost of every car.... has anyone seen the cost of a new car these days? They're at least 150% of the prices before the pandemic.
Have you seen how much trash they put in those? Seat warmers, entertainment systems. You couldn't get a simple car if your life depended on it. Also a spike in price is not that strange in a market shift like this. New battery tech is coming out every day. And prices are dropping for batteries. Unfortunately it's china leading the way with energy density so, we likely are going to pay a lot of tax on that.
@@schnitzelsemmel At least some of it is. The EU has also mandated the use of so called 'safety systems' which on top of making cars less safe makes them significantly more expensive.
How often in history did "economist" warn that changes to the status quo will ruin everything? If we would believe them we would still have 80 hour weeks and child labour
@@hedydd2 I don't know were to start with this comment, but let's focus on your "argument" that because children are not forced to work, their ethics lack? This is so absurd I can't comprehend this other than assuming you're a troll
@@hedydd2 this is the most ignorant thing I've read this year, and it really illustrates your lack of children. Then again, who would want to have children with someone who says such stupid shit in public?
@@chaos_monster Children should be allowed to work with their parents where such suitable work exists for them. Believe me, the work, as opposed to the games console lifestyle ethic makes a massive difference to a child’s prospects in later life and school.
TLDR, the EU doesn't use the NEDC anymore, it uses the more realistic WLTP. Pretty silly mistake to make. Also, Euro 6 has been updated many times, we are on 6d now.
NEDC was discussed in the context of Euro 1 when it very much was the EU cycle of choice. WLTP is relatively new and didn't exist even when Euro 6 was introduced, don't think this is a mistake, perhaps an omission for clarity.
I am an Estonian and an electrical engineering student graduating this year and one problem i can see arising from the car ban 2035 is that electric cars have gotten better but suffer from the same problem as all battery powered devices do in northern countries and that is that batteries hate cold depending on the quality an electric cars range can decrease by 25% during winter and the further north you go the bigger the drop. now i do not know the details if the ban if we are talking about also banning hybrids because if you are i can tell you this unless less battery technology evolves people in cold countries of the EU are gonna have to buy new cars more often then in warmer countries where battery life is longer
8:32 requiring sacrifices, that is what the elites said before the French Revolution. Why need bread , you can have the lesser “cake” If everybody had bread that would ruin the food supply.
The crazy thing is that cars (personal cars... for personal leisure) are only necessary as we built society solely around them... In a world where many can work remotely and where the majority of people live in densely urban places (cities that can be designed to have everything you need within walking/bicycle distance). Cars just end up being quite useless. I owned a car since it was expected of me in society as a milestone of "growing up". However, I quickly realized it just turned into a financial liability, especially when living in a bike friendly city, where I have everything I need close by... I wish more city dwellers would come to this conclusion as well, and countries start to design their cities around walkability instead of cars. Sure, car manufacturing has been key to offer jobs and financial profits, however, one thing we don't talk about is the complete societal cost of car ownersship... There was a EU study that deemed that for every EUR you spent on your car, society needed to pay 8.90EUR. This is a stark contrast from public transits 1.9EUR and bikes only costing 0.90EUR This insane financial burden put on society is hidden and massive for a tiny-, but ultimately inefficient luxury. Cars don't need to be banned. but we could ban them from city centres, or city cores. Focusing on making cities walkable with good transit and rental bike systems. Just imagining listening to birds chirping in the city instead of the constant loud white noise of these 2 ton killing machines.
This was already done in the USSR - "walkable" cities, very few people had cars, OK public transport. As soon as the USSR collapsed and it was possible to buy a car for the average person, everyone bought cars.
Or at least make the public transport better and better as we start banning cars. Imagine having a bus in every city instead of 10 cars and a train instead of 30 cars. Here in Romania someone told me that people prefer to use their cars as umbrelas. Basically, cars have come to be a more comfortable way to travel and not necesarily a faster one (imagine being locked in traffic instead of taking the subway train).
"Only add 100€ for the cost of every car" I want that in writing and any additional cost should be taken from the salaries of the decision makers, even post-retirement.
In the Netherlands they're set on not selling diesel cars for 2025. The most diesel vehicles are work vans and there just isn't enough of a market let alone a second hand market for all those small companies with just one or two vans to go electric.
Maybe, but even if the savings are only half as much as proposed it still heavily outweighs the cons. From the video France has the 2nd highest amount of workers in the industry and if they’re for it, then the savings must be substantial. I don’t think they would accept such a bill and the political backlash it’d entail unless they thought the savings were good enough.
I find it funny that the car on the thumbnail is the last remaining icon of American muscle (though I do know Mustangs of the S550 generation are decently popular in Europe) rather than a domestic European car.
I think the point was just clickbait. Like with the hilarious title of the video. A Civil War? Really? And nobody wants to ban cars in general. But that's apparently potato - potato, if you need a catchy title. I usually really like the reporting style, but I HATE this type of hyperbole. That's not what news should be like.
@@MikeKojoteStone Nah, bro. No hyperbole, here. There is gon be a civil war in Europe. One side The Union(European Union) and one side The Confederacy (Confederation of Europe). The C.E. will fight for the right to use cars and also support pro child labor laws and also be anti-immigration unless it is useful for their economy and labor, the C.E. will also fight to support regulations and laws that will help support their agriculture economy to thrive and survive. Then the E.U. will fight against all of that. It is like American civil war, but European Union. Good luck. Can't believe the European Union is too dumb to figure out what was already figured out almost 200 years ago...... WOW, embarrassing! Unbelievable!
My cynical take on this here in finland is that it will not be that much of an issue, because it feels like new cars are barely bought anyway, and used cars are rotated constantly.
They don't care. They just want us out of personal vehicles. Even better if everyone is forced to live in the city. They don't think people should be allowed to live in the country
Tbh I am way more supportive of euro7 then of the total car ban. I especially like the breake pads limits, because they are the main source of certain particulates, especially in cities. In fact, I would hope to see those back ported to euro 6 in some way, perhaps as euro 6b and make that mandatory. I would also like to see more exemptions for busses and coaches, with emissions calculated per person perhaps
They just have to go full hybrid and install a small ICE electric generator charging the small batterypack. That would reduce emissions in cities (100% electric drive) The weight disadvantage of full electric vehicels who have more wear and tear on road surfaces and tyres would also be reduced. A step further would even be to have a liqued oxygen tank to prevent Nox emissions of the ICE generator. A fine tuned ICE can run on the ideal rpm for max torq/fuel efficiency. Diesel-electric propulsion most used on locomotives and ocean going ships have proven that concept for a almost 100 years now. Its also possible to retrofit older cars.
Stunning Europes car Industry will lead to Europe losing the last major industry they dominate to China,Japan,and the Us. Most of Europe doesn’t have the good fundamentals of Japan in order to avert the aging crisis taking away the last industry Europe dominates is idiotic. BYD will be glad to fill the gap heavy regulation will put on the European car industry.
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
Bans like this are just stupid. Cars can be art and for most people, they are a hell of a lot more fun if they're running on petrol. I don't understand why the EU didn't at least allow enthusiast vehicles to run on petrol, since there's not that many of them to cause an issue
So what about underdeveloped or developing nations? They will give zero Fs about green transition. We will sacrifice our economy to have no impact on emissions
@@bloodforfeit4756 I prefer my individual mobility, thank you very much. I work in close contact with people all the time and I need my privacy during my off-time.
The politicians drafting suggestions like this fly private jets which is one of the dirtiest modes of transport on the planet when commercial flights and trains are available.
Honestly, with so many members being against it, who agreed to it in the first place? Also, as an ecologist and climatologist by training - I am all for any green solution. But a complete ban like this? Surely that's gonna lead to more petrol and diesel cars staying in circulation much longer, making it so that more older cars roam the streets. Also, how would we power all the electric cars? The network is simply not built for that yet. And all the same rules for all vehicles? Like... Small and large cars will have the same limit on emissions? Wouldn't that mean that instead of sending one large lorry, the logistics company will just send two smaller ones since together they can produce twice as many emissions?
It's already a given that it will not pass, it's not realistic. Probably the idea was set a very ambitious exgtreme goal so when it gets watered down as it inevitably will it will still be at a decent level.
Why the hell do you want to cut emissions ?! It has nothing to do with weather/climate change. There is no correlation between emissions and the temperature ! The world emissions are rising anyways because large Asian (China and India) and African countries are emitting more and more. If your theory was true, there should be a drought and a heat wave. None of that is happening, it is actually really cold and wet in Europe right now (with world;s emissions rising). Note the fact that EU's share of emissions is only 5-6% globally which is tiny like a "drop in the ocean" and EU's share is constantly declining because (others are not cutting emissions) nobody else in the world believes in this neo-communist ideology. Either way EU's emissions are utterly insignificant. Go to Asia and Africa and tell them to cut emissions !!!!
Im 100% sure that these car company’s could keep all those jobs but they had to actually change the way the work would have to be done and that’s to expansive for them so they just fire a load of ppl to save money.
Problem is not only the prices, in Europe the prices of cars are quite expensive not only to buy them but also all the tax that comes above the car prices when buying one then you have road tax and the prices for fuel which is very expensive and then insurance. Most people I know buy older cars newer cars are often from company lease. That said the problem is also the power that is needed for all those electric cars most of the power network and the power stations cannot provide the power that is needed for a billion cars within the EU.
Car ownership in Europe has become extremely costly in the past 20 years. And I don't believe for a minute that cars will cost only 100 euros more under these new EU specifications.
It to late for Europe Ev is in Europe is green but will fall short......oil isnt going anywhere, gas isnt going anywhere in gact mire gas is being used......
Finally something the Czech Republic does right, thumbs up for Vondra 👍. This directive is not about protecting environment, but about destruction of personal transport, it is designed to increase inequality. Make the West richer and the East poorer. No wonder that biggest proponents are countries that don't produce cars like Belgium or Netherlands.
The thing is, biggest problem about cars and climate is the fuel itself. Crude oil adds carbon into the atmosphere, while if we did use oils from renewable, biological sources, it would be not far from neutrality We could throw it all on stop - gap synthetic oil, and ban crude oil altogether by 2030 - 2035. CO2 emissions and trade deficits will already nosedive.
The reason US regulations on car emissions are easier to implement/follow is because the US EPA only job is regulate pollutants. While at the same EPA and the State of California have strict and specific rules for car emissions. The main one is air quality has to come from real world driving emissions collected by car computers. But again having just the EPA and the State of California simplifies matters and makes regulating and reducing car emissions easier, plus the US doesn't really do diesel passenger cars like the EU.
I always bought about 10 year old cars and already these are getting less affordable because of a shortage of benzine cars. But if I go and buy an electric car from 10 years old: what will be left of the battery capacity? And what if that breaks down? I can't afford a new battery pack. And those battery packs? They bring heavy pollution: the source of the materials isn't exactly "clean" and the disposal is the same story.
As much as I hate cars and car centric societies... We can't wage war in electric cars. And handing Enron Musk the conman a golden goose doesn't sound appealing either.
Just exponentially tax them by weight and emission, rather than horsepower. Boom. Solved. If we can get rid of SUVs and (stupid) pick-ups, we're already most of the way there.
I just prefer travelling alone without being pushed into tiny uncomfortable and loud public transports with strangers. Also a car brings me everywhere without timetable a directly where else with public transports I have to change multiple times and I am stuck to a special route and time table. Still, not getting to the place I need to without finding solutions for the last mile. All, with whatever stuff I am carrying with me. Even in a traffic jam I do have my personal space and music. No need to engage with other people. - I don’t like the ideas of people who what to make a car only available to “the right” people but not to the rest.
Yeah, same here. Public transport caters to planability and daily commute, but completely fucks with everything else. I work in a job where I am constantly surrounded by people, their needs and demands and low planability of free-time and I'd like to have my private space after work and in my free-time and the ability to go where I please whenever I can. Last thing I need is paying three times the price of a ticket someone else had the ability to buy two weeks ahead of time and then sitting in the cramped compartement (me being a 120kg 1.9m person) of a train or bus along with the sound and smell of other people.
I would go to those companys and slap them for rallying against this. Really they could see this comming for years and did nothing to prepare but no, why invest in the future if you can just use corrupt polititians to change it. Disgusting.
Maybe focus on replacing coal power plants with nuclear first? Don't get me wrong, this is certainly a step in the right direction. I hope this will close the SUV loophole, and end the market dominance of ugly SUVs.
They should force them to make stuff that last longer. Not just cars but also all the electronics and stuff like furniture and clothes and so on... Also you can't just replace a coal with nuclear per say. There are very few places where you can build nuclear plant. You need water dam nearby and the place needs to have low natural radiation levels. It also eats so much water so you have to count with that especially. Also people around just don't want to have a new power-plant nearby. All the while coal plant's are already there no need to make more. And with other green power like Solar, water dam, or Wind it's much worse it terms of placement's. Water is the best of them the only problems are that there is just not enough places to build them and you need to have second, or even third dam half empty in case of floods (they don't do that because its inconvenient for them to have dam in not use, just to prevent floods that doesn't effect their bottom line). Wind is unreliable and it needs a place to dump the electricity when the wind blows too much. It also have some secondary effect to nature like bird migration or what not, but I don't know much about those reasons so don't take me on those. Solar is the worst of a power plant, because of how much space it takes to use it effectively. You could theoretically just use roof's in cities, but that could not be planed effectively from centralize point. So it's on the people that install it for themself. I heard some energy companies support people in doing that, letting them generate energy and later take from the grid what they generated. It depends if the grid is build for that. But decentralize solar is probably the best, thought you can't actually set to build it like normal power plant.
NOx, particulates and other pollutants are NOT regulated to help "save the climate", but for excellent reasons of public health. A medical study, published some weeks ago, is claiming that 1200 children are dying every year in the EU because of air pollution alone, and 8-9% of children suffer from asthma because of it. Irrespective of climate, don't you think that cleaning up the air we breathe is a worthy cause?
What do you mean "there hasn't been much on it in the English speaking press"? Ireland is in the EU and English speaking, and there has been quite a few stories on the subject.
Well, if the public transport becomes really green and covers the whole totality of the urban centers and its wide enough to carry massive populations, some areas of cities can probably closed to cars. Some historical centers in Italy are already closed to traffic.
Meanwhile BYD sold 10,000 of it's budget Seagull micro hatch in a day. Honestly if the EU doesn't get on with electrifying it's transport sector China will do it for them.
This is it, the electric car industry is moving ahead, regardless of the old guard trying to hold things back. If these companies are not careful with dragging their feet, they could put themselves at a major disadvantaged compared to rivals that do push hard on electric cars. What the EU is doing is trying to light the fire under them so they move quickly to electric cars, otherwise, rivals from the US and China will eat up the market. My next car is going to be electric and because of that, the ones that don't push in that sector won't get a look in from consumers like me. In any case, if these companies and governments are worried about job losses now, imagine how bad it will be if most consumers end up only wanting to buy electric cars and these companies are not ready for it, most consumers could look at rivals from the US and China for their next car, I certainly would if these European car companies don't get their act together and this is going to be more the case as more consumers put more solar up, many will want to power their house and electric cars by that, if they produce enough energy. All that is going to make petrol and diesel cars very unappealing, especially on running cost. But seriously, how many of us are really going to want to buy a petrol or diesel car by 2035? By then, electric cars should be quite good and decent price.
Imagine we stayed with EURO 5 - poorer people who need car would be able to buy newer cars, the people who buy new cars would be able to buy cars more affordable and hence replace them more often - they would lead to situation when more people would drive clean cars with EURO 5 limits. Now prices of used cars skyrocketed, people are driving older cars - so enviromentalism leads to worse results - both for enviromen and people.
I am all for the green transition as a Central European, however we must make sure that the economic sacrifices we are making are shared between all member states in a just manner. I do not generally understand why everyone supports e.g. Dutch farmers when they protest against emissions standars saying their livelihoods are on the hooks, but tell Germany and the V4s that it is "tough luck, sorry" when it comes to car manufacturing and the livelihoods of people working in that industry.
I'm a German and I support Dutch farmers, but not the car industry. Reason: We need food, but we could live comfortably without cars, if public transportation were made available & affordable everywhere in the country and if the government would allow Indian-style bike rickshaws in the cities (we need vehicles able to transport relatively heavy loads like e.g. weekly shopping for a family; in times past before there were cars, people used horses for that). And I hate the Green party, because they want to oppress people even much *more* than Hitler and Stalin did: they want to ration food & prohibit some foods, ration heating & electricity and prohibit heating with wood, prohibit physical money to control people, abolish free speech, abolish borders to destroy all cultures, propagate promiscuity to destroy families and cause traumatizing & neglect of children, so they will be more susceptible to indoctrination & propaganda, and a world government, so there will be nowhere to escape their tyranny. Green politicians are enemies of mankind.
I agree, but the public transport need to come before the petrol car ban. Poorer people can't afford to buy electric, and if the buses aren't there YET... The public transportation needs to precede the new rules.
@@charlotteinnocent8752 Regulations Have consequences BYD and Cadillac can replace my Mercedes. And most lower end consumers Will gladly replace Volkswagen for Honda
Why the ban it's stupid, modern cars that drive on fossil fuels put out way less emissions and should be approved aswell. Lot's of people in rural area's need cars to get around, and electric cars are not affordable even for the lower middle class. The E.U. needs to think more on a lower level.
I think some German politicians need to get their stuff together. You can’t make (nor claim) yourself the greenest country of Europe when you shut down nuclear reactors in favor of the coal industry, and refuse to push for greener transportation (as the largest automobile industry in the continent). Especially when half of its neighbors north and west actually have far smaller carbon footprints. And most of that can be attributed to politics and lobbyists
This whole emissions thing needs to be viewed in the context of transport needs & desires. Cutting the number of cars by providing attractive & practical alternatives would reduce total emissions as would cleaning up individual vehicles.
Well... Couldn't they just implement 2 grades of euro 7? The planned version as 7+. As a best if you can reach it, and government around the world could say we want E7+ even if you sell E7.
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
It's so stupid, Germany should switch to e-mobility especially BECAUSE we have such a big car industry, none electric cars will be a novelty in the near future and no one will buy German cars anymore, I wonder how many jobs THAT will cost.
about the germany thing. Nobody in germany wished the e-fuel thing except for the party of FDP and the car brand Porsche. Every other car company was against e-fuels. ( idk about the euro7 position of germany) and my thoughts about euro 7 is as long it does not benefit bigger cars like it is done in its efficiancy scale. where heavier cars are better scaled because of their motor and it transports the weight more effician than a smaller Skoda Fabia with a enginge perfect for the car and less fuel consumption overall but on the lower tip of the scala because it does not weight as much compared to others. ( idk if my english is good enought that you could understand it)
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
I don't care about there concerns,pass it and do not water down the deal,you fuck with the environment then this the punishment you will get. Just and severe,as it should be
Flying a plane to Hungary from Finland is cheaper than taking a train from Helsinki to Lappeenranta. The whole "public transport" isn't for the public. It's for business trips and work commuters.
Perhaps we can start by banning the private jets these politicians that lecture us loves to use for short flights when they have commercial flights and trains available.
they could be hard on banning german lignite mines for good, so those schnitzel eaters can finally take a green turn after spending on shit for the past 15 years
@@SirBalageG The last government already banned the use of coal power plants by 2035; the problem is, that until 2030 there wouldn't be much difference in the emissions. Nonetheless, they decided to pay the respective companies for each GW/h they shut down, so some power plants even prolonged their licenses to run until 2035.
You'd think that the main car manufacturers would welcome any changes that mean that cars get out of date faster than naturally. Once euro 7 is implemented, city centers (and other emission control zones) can start banning any cars that have only euro 6 and below. That would lead to more people needing (or wanting) new cars earlier than if they just had to replace wear and tear. Also, with how China (as a country, not necessarily as a car manufacturer) is kind of known for the opposite of clean power production, you'd think that stricter emission standards in the EU would make it _harder_ for overseas car manufacturers to export to Europe. It's always easier to leave out a new particulate filter or other newly developed component from your export products than to retrofit it into them.
'Euro politicians and electorates are more concerned that ever about climate control'... no. I'm afraid it's mainly the politicians that are concerned and the majority of the electorate are fairly indifferent. That's not very high on 'our' agenda for better or worse.
You can have my car when you peel my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel
As a Bulgarian I understand those changes and I am all for them, but here most people drive 20+ years old cars because they can't afford newer ones
it only applies on new cars.
I'm within the top 20% best paid employees in Poland with a mortgage on a 50-meter new apartment as well as an additional big debt I owe to a friend and which I probably won't cease paying for another two years. Under absolutely no circumstances could I afford a car, no matter how old, the costs of maintenance alone would kill my monthly budget. Maybe in a couple of years.
@@buddy1155 it will influence the cost of used cars nevertheless...
100% agree. I think either (almost) everyone should be able to afford cars or nobody should.
Going back to where to the x % are able to while the peasents are stuck with public transport would be terrible.
Is for new cars only
The most shocking part is that 2015 is nearly a decade ago. He dropped that fact like it was nothing.😂
For me 2015 does feel like that long ago
You're old, xander. Old.
In the world of Politics and economy that's not a long time
It's only recently that I heard that some teenagers today mock people born before the year 2000 (especially those old enough to remember the time before 2000) by calling them 1900s people.
Don't know how common that is.
Hopefully not that much.
@@geofflepper3207 We are 1900s people. 🤣
I wish they would just make public transport more affordable in more places. People wouldn't need all these cars if there were affordable alternatives.
this is why america is so ineffective to travel across too, if they had a few high speed rail lines then they've solved the problem, created jobs, and reduced carbon emmisions
Public transport is usually heavily subsidized with the government. Remember that when you use public transportation, most of the cost the taxpayers have already covered.
They can do both, people should have the liberty to travel the way they desire whether it's by public transport, car (I'm implying eco friendly powered cars), bike or walk.
I'm someone who catches public transport for the majority of my journeys via buses & trains but this is unfair & wrong. It's placing restrictions on people's lives & I suspect that it's to track/ monitor where the public travels even more (in short they don't trust us or they're just being overly nosey which isn't needed).
Also let's be honest this wouldn't be applied to the elites (rich / celebrities / governments) they would be able to travel via their own private vehicles; this is very similar with climate protests where some of the elites will talk about being more eco friendly & then they'll jump on their private jet back to the USA.
@@zjeee Cars are also heavily subsidised.
@@zjeee and who pays for the roads, infrastructure and the maintenance. Not to mention 30 billion euro per year in subsidies for the auto industry in the EU alone
5:40 slight correction for germany here: ⅓ third of our coalition, the FDP, wanted to stop/renegotiate the Deal. The other 2 parties were not in favour of this. The Minister of mobility however is Part of the FDP party and therefore Held the power to force a re-negotation, in spite of our green Party environmental minister wanting to vote for the deal.
This move was very last minute and lead to arguments within the coalition
I thought it was surprising that a government involving the green party would make this awful move. It seems they did not do a good job of coalition negotiations to make sure they got the key positions for climate action.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 it is a three party coalition which makes it Harder to get key positions.
They managed to get the ministries of environment, economy+climate change, culture, family, agriculture+food
@@christophhanke6627 getting environment and climate were clearly essential. I think transport was the next most important one to get. That requires ling term planning so things need to be done right now. A lot of good can be done to improve agriculture too, but IMHO that should have been a lower priority than transport.
@@christophhanke6627 Don't forget the foreign ministry.
Lies again? Captain Of Euro
It still blows my mind that a 3 ton electric SUV is subsidized but a 200kg ICE motorbike is taxed to hell. The motorcycle needs to ride about 1 million kilometers to even emit what it takes to build the needlessly big SUV.
That's the car lobby for ya.
As a German I have to apologize, cause thats on our dependence.
how dare you, think about the emissions corrected with weight, the motorcycle is melting the ice caps!
:D
joke aside, it's a fucking joke that the EU regulations take the weight of the vehicle into the equation, that's why we can't have affordable stuff
@@RuneDrageon You should be glad that your car industry is lobbying against choking off most of the primary energy inputs to the human economy.
If more people would use (besides public transportation of course) more motorbikes and scooters instead of cars for commuting (to work etc.), there would be never traffic congestion. The average car on the road has just 1.2 people on board.
SUVs are a figurative cancer on the cities due to their enormous size. ICEs are going to give you literal cancer though along with asthma and chronic cardiopulmonary diseases.
Those laws are tyrannical. As a Portuguese, I think having a personal car is freedom. Freedom to live in the country side to have your farm, freedom to go anywhere any time. Freedom to have your own schedule. Take our cars, and you take our freedom. Besides, public transportation is only present in big cities. Not being able to travel cheaply means rural inhabitants will be poorer. Its not right.
Welcome to EUSSR.
I can talk about Portugal a little bit. There's no reliable public transportation anywhere except between big cities and in big cities, you see cars that are 20 years old or even more, because new cars are not affordable and sometimes twice as expensive as our neighbours from Spain, because government is illegally taxing cars twice (IVA/VAT and ISV which is tax on vehicles) so cars can go from being affordable to not affordable easlily, while salaries are really low, that a car is seen as a costly necessity over unemployment.
Yearly tax of new cars is extremely expensive. A friend of mine bought 2/3 years ago a Dacia Sandero for 14k euros new and he pays annually around 500€ of tax and another 300€ or more of insurance. While I have a 25 years old diesel car that pays 40€ of tax and I can have an insurance of around 100€. Guess what a minimum wage worker (760€ monthly) chooses? Guess what percentage of the population in borderline poverty (if they didn't get subsidies from the State): 40%!
Investment in public infrastructure stagnated because of the high debt and years of austerity (that are still ongoing), while corruption in government and public facilities is still rampant and mismanagement of the country too. Brain drain is a contributing factor for this and caused by this.
So yeah, Portugal will never abandon fuel cars unless there's public infrastructure and a reliable one. Portugal will never be like Norway that have 90% of electric cars unless they are significantly cheaper to the alternatives. I also see a trend of people buying old cars and restoring them because they have more parts available, are cheaper to maintain, have less tech and don't have anti-pollution measures because they often fail.
What percentage of people in Portugal actually lives outside of the big cities? Coming from an urban sprawl country (Belgium), Portugal seems well positioned to just upgrade its public transport a bit and promote biking
@@tobiascornille More than half of Portugals population actually lives outside their two major cities (Porto and Lisbon) and it's only in these cities where public transport is prominent. The very mountainous landscape isn't really ideal for biking either. Portuguese people really depend on their cars to be able to go do their groceries and espacially work. I knew somebody that lived close to Braga and wasn't able to find a job because he didn't have a car so employers wouldn't even consider him
@@DragonBlueSpirit ah interesting. I always thought the countryside of Portugal was largely empty. Yeah for those communities, cars will still be necessary i guess. Although biking/walking can already work for groceries etc in smaller towns (not between towns indeed)
@@tobiascornille I would definitely agree with you on that if the cities had a flatter topography. I don't know if you're even been to Porto (if not, you definitely should plan a weekend trip some day) but it is almost impossible to ride a bike there unless you have legs made of steel. I do agree that the public transportation system needs to be improved all over Europe, but being such an old continent with very old and tight roads, I don't think it is always possible.
What I don't understand is how "new" countries like the USA that have excellent roads, do not have any major public transportation system (except places like New York of course).
Europe is what it is.. some countries are over 400 years old and were not planned for our modern society. It's impressive to see that we managed to adapt our cities that well but you can not change the entire infrastructure without rebuilding an entire country/continent from the ground up
It is like going back 100 years in time ! We have to revolt against those globalist scumbugs in Brussels !!
EU needs a new multinational public transport network that’s planned for the far future.
Are you not able to travel around at the moment?
Its called Ten T
spot on
It works in towns but not in the countryside or small villages, or from town to or from these. That will never change as the cost of that regular public transport will never be viable. Also it’s not only people that need transporting but all kinds of goods and services, all over the UK, daily over large areas of the UK. If you do travel much out of larger cities, you would know that personal and commercial transport is essential and just how big the UK is overall.
@Risto Kempas planes.
Uh, Bulgaria has absolutely NO automotive manufacturing anymore. It all left years ago.
Did it ever have anything? I don't think so.
@@todortodorov940 It had an industry building Soviet cars and even until the 1990s it built British cars in Varna. Another industry lost after the changes...
@Zaydan Alfariz According to Wiktionary it means something like "color" in Sanskrit. However, it seems to have other unrelated meanings in other languages so the name of the Bulgarian city likely doesn't come from Sanskrit.
@@theK1ller5 My family (and I) left in 1990, and back then I can only remember building busses - no cars. But may be BG did assemble soviet cars, especially in the 90's.
Regarding the British cars - it's perfectly understandable those assembly lines closed. British cars are so uncompetitive (i.e. crap) that with few exceptions, not even in Britain do they build British cars.
@@theK1ller5 Soviet then British? Can an automobile industry ever be that unlucky?
I just will keep servicing and mantaining my old petrol E46 330Ci, it's way cheaper than buying a new car and I really like it
Superbe inline 6 engine.
20th century : "a country will be considered fully developped when everybody has access to a car."
21st century: "a country will be considered fully developped when nobody needs a car anymore."
It is like going back 100 years in time ! We have to revolt against those globalist scumbugs in Brussels !!
The actual quote is: “A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It’s where the rich use public transport”
- paraphrased from Enrique Penalosa, former Mayor of Bogotá, Colombia
The former was according to the car lobby
20th century : "a country will be considered fully developed when everybody has access to a car."
21st century theory: "a country will be considered fully developed when nobody needs a car anymore."
21st century practice: "a country will be considered fully developed when nobody can afford a car anymore."
Why isn’t this a dogma yet?
As someone who absolutely loves ICE cars, I feel like we’re being pushed in a corner where people like me are not allowed to buy the one thing that puts a genuine smile on my face. This new set of laws is the worst thing to happen to people like me.
And all those aberrant regulations forget the size and weight of the car?! We are witnessing the plague of oversized, overwighted and un-aerodhinamic SUVs (often BEV and PHEV) that have a higher impact on the environment than a small ICE or Mild-hybrid car, all factors comprised.
They shut up about that mainly because they're the product of more regulations (regarding occupants and pedestrian safety). So, yeah, just as dumb as it sounds
those are made because the regulations were written when aluminium was expensive and plastics were rare. cars weighed more, so if you can make a huge vehicle made of new age materials like aluminium alloys, cheap steel, plastics and carbon fibre, you can always get around regulations designed for heavy steel, titanium and iron.
I mean, the regulations are aiming at pollutants emitted per distance driven, so it is a quite roundabout way of trying to make the cars smaller. Though I do have to say mandating size would work better
@@ZetaFuzzMachine Considering the impact of gargantuan SUVs on pedestrian safety, I would say that all this is even dumber than it sounds.
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
They should ban private jets as well if they use any type of fuel, you see how fast they'll drop the bill then!
YES!
But how will they arrive at the next climate meeting 🤔
they should also ban the deals especially the ambitious ones
Interesting timestamps - guys I know you are trying to do more content and pushing it more and more especially in Nebula but recently there’s a lot of scrappy mistakes for your standards!
The Nebula pushing is becoming a little too aggressive and annoying in my taste tbh. Puts me off.
Honestly, I think they're just getting carried away, grabbing what money they can and letting standards slip. I'm thinking of unsubbing tbh
Totally agree! I really hope you guys read this, please keep your quality up and don`t become a tabloid.
Glad people agree, spotted by another person in the comments section but the video description of the sources of this video is still on Ukraine…
@@AmbivalentMind agreed!
You have to be so careful tightening these regulations. Many manufacturers used low pressure piston rings to improve fuel consumption. But many are beginning to burn oil after just a few years. Regulations going faster than technology.
The timestamps are for another video on Ukraine. I've been seeing a lot of mistakes like this on your channel recently, I love the videos but you guys can do better than this!
Shouldn’t be surprised at TLDR mistakes lol
you mean the sources?
@@bepobsk3680 They have removed the timestamps now, but yes also the sources in the video description
This is not surprising unfortunately, as they insist on running more and more channels (seven so far), rather than ensuring quality control. Which is a shame, as this tends to undermine their reputation needlessly.
Yeah they either need more people or to reduce the frequency of video.
Germany a proponent of Green transition? Perhaps in their own, warped definition of "green" which means replacing nuclear energy with new coal mines.
Yeah that was what happens when you respond to public out cry. Nuclear = bad. When in fact it’s one on the cleanest ways to produce energy.
The (West) German post-war pacifist movement was directly funded by the USSR and was tasked with ensurimg that US nukes not be stationed in Germany in order not to disturb a Soviet invasion of the West, and when that failed, they switched their attention to nuclear energy because a nuclear power grid in Germany means a not Russia-reliant Germany.
😂 0,7% of electrticity in germany is nuke made 60% is Wind and solar and 20% goes to France because of financel problems with there nuclear powerplans,please check ur numbers.
Germany is the most anti green countries in EU. They make lots of fossil fuel private cars and burn lots of coal. Nuclear plants shutting down, it's just another win for them. Not everybody in the EU wants to be 100% reliant on russian/OPEC on transportation and energy
I thought the same thing when I heard that line.
I think this will backfire badly. EU is undermining their own golden mine. Most of EU countries are dependent on car manufacturing, either directly or non directly. If sales in cars drop, because people couldn't afford new cars, partially because of these standards, the economy will suffer a very serious punch.
In Australia we have chronic infrastructure issues which could not support EV car ownership on a large scale or support the public majority in giving up cars as they are essential for transport. Public transport is poor and our spread of suburbs and towns relies on private transport. We are shutting down power stations with no viable replacement in order to satisfy unrealistic emission targets. Most people have no facility for charging EV's as there are few public chargers installed and a high percentage do not work. Most people rely on Public charge stations as the majority live in UNITS so cannot charge at home. With the increasing cost and unreliability of electricity the use of EV's is becoming increasingly problematic and EV's do not suit the requirements of most motorists here.
Build a couple of nuke plants. Will do miracles.
Canadian here, and literally everything you just said applies 100% here, as well. Huge nation, creaky infrastructure, garbage public transport, widespread population, obsession with impractical "green" power, barely any chargers, difficult home charging, power grid problems... All of it!
@@McSlobo There's an idiotic anti-nuclear lobby that has held the country back for decades.
Even Germany is lying to itself, when it thinks the problems you mentioned aren't applying to it. Public transportation, while being pretty good in the big cities here, is still a huge problem for the vast majority of people outside these cities. Charing for EVs outside of private homes is non-existant and will remain so for quite some time. And then there's the cost-factor of electric mobility, as it will still be quite a lot more expensive to get one such vehicle in the first place, so the mobility of a lot of low income people will suffer drastically. I for myself, am looking forward to scrapping my private mobility, as my job doesn't allow me a lot of planability with my freetime. I sometimes don't even know when my single day off work each week is, until the end of the week before. I entirely rely on my car to travel in my freetime, as public transportation without planability is prohibitively expensive.
I think the thing that hurts me the most is that 2015 was nearly a decade ago 💀
Will 'only' add €100 to the cost of every car.... has anyone seen the cost of a new car these days?
They're at least 150% of the prices before the pandemic.
is that the fault of the regulations?
Have you seen how much trash they put in those? Seat warmers, entertainment systems. You couldn't get a simple car if your life depended on it.
Also a spike in price is not that strange in a market shift like this. New battery tech is coming out every day. And prices are dropping for batteries. Unfortunately it's china leading the way with energy density so, we likely are going to pay a lot of tax on that.
@@schnitzelsemmel At least some of it is. The EU has also mandated the use of so called 'safety systems' which on top of making cars less safe makes them significantly more expensive.
@@GerbenWulff reducing fatal accidents by less cars on the road as people can't buy a new vehicle with honest earnings.
That's why €100 is negligible increase in percentage of the car price
Get ready to have no car and go for the bus, this is ridiculous
How often in history did "economist" warn that changes to the status quo will ruin everything? If we would believe them we would still have 80 hour weeks and child labour
Many still do work 80 hour weeks. Children do miss out on the work ethic these days and therefore assume that they get everything for little effort.
@@hedydd2 children yearn for the mines
@@hedydd2 I don't know were to start with this comment, but let's focus on your "argument" that because children are not forced to work, their ethics lack? This is so absurd I can't comprehend this other than assuming you're a troll
@@hedydd2 this is the most ignorant thing I've read this year, and it really illustrates your lack of children. Then again, who would want to have children with someone who says such stupid shit in public?
@@chaos_monster
Children should be allowed to work with their parents where such suitable work exists for them. Believe me, the work, as opposed to the games console lifestyle ethic makes a massive difference to a child’s prospects in later life and school.
TLDR, the EU doesn't use the NEDC anymore, it uses the more realistic WLTP. Pretty silly mistake to make.
Also, Euro 6 has been updated many times, we are on 6d now.
NEDC was discussed in the context of Euro 1 when it very much was the EU cycle of choice. WLTP is relatively new and didn't exist even when Euro 6 was introduced, don't think this is a mistake, perhaps an omission for clarity.
I love that the chapters of this video are the ones from the previous one LMAO.
Maybe it's a RUclips bug, cause I noticed the same thing on a "good times bad timea" video yesterday
I am an Estonian and an electrical engineering student graduating this year and one problem i can see arising from the car ban 2035 is that electric cars have gotten better but suffer from the same problem as all battery powered devices do in northern countries and that is that batteries hate cold depending on the quality an electric cars range can decrease by 25% during winter and the further north you go the bigger the drop. now i do not know the details if the ban if we are talking about also banning hybrids because if you are i can tell you this unless less battery technology evolves people in cold countries of the EU are gonna have to buy new cars more often then in warmer countries where battery life is longer
The Norwegians do not seem to be bothered by this. A majority of new car sales in that country are EVs.
Don't worry, with average temperatures on the rise, you won't have to worry about batteries freezing. :)
Batteries hate cold, but people also hate cold. You have to keep your car and your phone inside the house where it's nice and comfy!
2035, specifically sais petrol and diesel. Nothing about internal combustion engine. You know ethanol exists
@Zaydan Alfariz The issue wasn't the cost of EVs, but how well they work in cold weather.
8:32 requiring sacrifices, that is what the elites said before the French Revolution. Why need bread , you can have the lesser “cake” If everybody had bread that would ruin the food supply.
The crazy thing is that cars (personal cars... for personal leisure) are only necessary as we built society solely around them... In a world where many can work remotely and where the majority of people live in densely urban places (cities that can be designed to have everything you need within walking/bicycle distance). Cars just end up being quite useless. I owned a car since it was expected of me in society as a milestone of "growing up". However, I quickly realized it just turned into a financial liability, especially when living in a bike friendly city, where I have everything I need close by... I wish more city dwellers would come to this conclusion as well, and countries start to design their cities around walkability instead of cars. Sure, car manufacturing has been key to offer jobs and financial profits, however, one thing we don't talk about is the complete societal cost of car ownersship... There was a EU study that deemed that for every EUR you spent on your car, society needed to pay 8.90EUR. This is a stark contrast from public transits 1.9EUR and bikes only costing 0.90EUR This insane financial burden put on society is hidden and massive for a tiny-, but ultimately inefficient luxury.
Cars don't need to be banned. but we could ban them from city centres, or city cores. Focusing on making cities walkable with good transit and rental bike systems. Just imagining listening to birds chirping in the city instead of the constant loud white noise of these 2 ton killing machines.
This was already done in the USSR - "walkable" cities, very few people had cars, OK public transport.
As soon as the USSR collapsed and it was possible to buy a car for the average person, everyone bought cars.
Come to the Netherlands and enjoy your car-free (or less car dependent at least) life.
Or at least make the public transport better and better as we start banning cars. Imagine having a bus in every city instead of 10 cars and a train instead of 30 cars.
Here in Romania someone told me that people prefer to use their cars as umbrelas. Basically, cars have come to be a more comfortable way to travel and not necesarily a faster one (imagine being locked in traffic instead of taking the subway train).
Banning cars from cities is a horrible idea for those who work in a city but can't afford city rents.
@Menno_3 but when the Netherlands come to your country during vacations, expect a large number of cars coming out of that country.
"Only add 100€ for the cost of every car" I want that in writing and any additional cost should be taken from the salaries of the decision makers, even post-retirement.
where can I sign your petition? Because that sounds like a bs statistic no matter how I look at it.
In the Netherlands they're set on not selling diesel cars for 2025. The most diesel vehicles are work vans and there just isn't enough of a market let alone a second hand market for all those small companies with just one or two vans to go electric.
Jettenviezeflikkerziterachter
“Sorry poor people. Just buy a €30,000 Tesla lol”
More like 60k...
And 10K battery replacement every 5 to 10 years so between €80 to 160 a month and the €2/kWH we will be paying by 2030
If you can't afford bread, eat cakes
I feel like this can only go through with promises to support the construction of public transportation
The public transportation will never, ever, enable you to travel on your own terms.
They could make small cars with good fuel concumption and emissions but they make big ass 2-3 ton SUVs.
I'd like to see how that 100 Euro figure was calculated. That seems almost comically low.
Bureaucrat's 100€ is 1 000€ when talking about added expenses for the citizen and 10€ when talking about savings or giving money to citizens.
I suspect you can find a document describing the methodology if you search for it hard enough. However, I'm too lazy to try to find it.
Maybe, but even if the savings are only half as much as proposed it still heavily outweighs the cons. From the video France has the 2nd highest amount of workers in the industry and if they’re for it, then the savings must be substantial.
I don’t think they would accept such a bill and the political backlash it’d entail unless they thought the savings were good enough.
Because the just pulled it out of their ass
I find it funny that the car on the thumbnail is the last remaining icon of American muscle (though I do know Mustangs of the S550 generation are decently popular in Europe) rather than a domestic European car.
I think the point is that they will be banned because they are dirty af
I think the point was just clickbait. Like with the hilarious title of the video. A Civil War? Really? And nobody wants to ban cars in general. But that's apparently potato - potato, if you need a catchy title.
I usually really like the reporting style, but I HATE this type of hyperbole. That's not what news should be like.
@@MikeKojoteStone Nah, bro. No hyperbole, here. There is gon be a civil war in Europe. One side The Union(European Union) and one side The Confederacy (Confederation of Europe). The C.E. will fight for the right to use cars and also support pro child labor laws and also be anti-immigration unless it is useful for their economy and labor, the C.E. will also fight to support regulations and laws that will help support their agriculture economy to thrive and survive. Then the E.U. will fight against all of that.
It is like American civil war, but European Union.
Good luck.
Can't believe the European Union is too dumb to figure out what was already figured out almost 200 years ago...... WOW, embarrassing! Unbelievable!
@@MikeKojoteStone Fully support your point of view!
There are other forms, mainly the Camaro and the Challenger and the Charger, but the reality is that in the US, these cars are no longer selling.
My cynical take on this here in finland is that it will not be that much of an issue, because it feels like new cars are barely bought anyway, and used cars are rotated constantly.
I assume you have insane taxes on new cars?
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket You think every Finn can afford a brand new car😂?
Forget about the car industry , doesn't anyone ever consider people who live in rural areas ?
They don't care. They just want us out of personal vehicles. Even better if everyone is forced to live in the city. They don't think people should be allowed to live in the country
You mean the paesants? Screw them.
Important thing is that rich people fly their private jets.
Tbh I am way more supportive of euro7 then of the total car ban.
I especially like the breake pads limits, because they are the main source of certain particulates, especially in cities. In fact, I would hope to see those back ported to euro 6 in some way, perhaps as euro 6b and make that mandatory.
I would also like to see more exemptions for busses and coaches, with emissions calculated per person perhaps
They just have to go full hybrid and install a small ICE electric generator charging the small batterypack. That would reduce emissions in cities (100% electric drive)
The weight disadvantage of full electric vehicels who have more wear and tear on road surfaces and tyres would also be reduced.
A step further would even be to have a liqued oxygen tank to prevent Nox emissions of the ICE generator.
A fine tuned ICE can run on the ideal rpm for max torq/fuel efficiency.
Diesel-electric propulsion most used on locomotives and ocean going ships have proven that concept for a almost 100 years now.
Its also possible to retrofit older cars.
Stunning Europes car Industry will lead to Europe losing the last major industry they dominate to China,Japan,and the Us. Most of Europe doesn’t have the good fundamentals of Japan in order to avert the aging crisis taking away the last industry Europe dominates is idiotic. BYD will be glad to fill the gap heavy regulation will put on the European car industry.
I live in Australia and I wouldn’t care about The Mercedes brand name if it means I get a better car from China
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
Tires produce a ton more particulates than anything else in cars. Also streets are turned into dust , esp. where winter is a thing.
When they stop flying in Private jets I will reduce how much I use my car.
Bans like this are just stupid. Cars can be art and for most people, they are a hell of a lot more fun if they're running on petrol. I don't understand why the EU didn't at least allow enthusiast vehicles to run on petrol, since there's not that many of them to cause an issue
So what about underdeveloped or developing nations? They will give zero Fs about green transition. We will sacrifice our economy to have no impact on emissions
That's a small price to enslave the population and rule as god kings of EU
Make electrical cars affordable for every day citizen and then we can talk about banning diesel/petrol cars.
Or better yet, viable public transportation so we won't need cars to begin with
@@bloodforfeit4756 I prefer my individual mobility, thank you very much. I work in close contact with people all the time and I need my privacy during my off-time.
@@bloodforfeit4756 I want my own automobile, thanks.
Electrical cars can be much cheaper if you ditch the excessive luxury and performance.
Chinese manufactures are working in on it.
It's ok, but it's idiotic to put the burden of pollution only on the consumer. Major industries are to blame for most of the pollution.
The politicians drafting suggestions like this fly private jets which is one of the dirtiest modes of transport on the planet when commercial flights and trains are available.
@@zjeee Exactly. That's why the EU created an exemption for private jets when it comes to fuel tax. Most cretins commenting here don't realize that.
im all for this, but changing things too fast has often failed in the past.
Don’t be fooled. This has nothing to Do with environment.
Honestly, with so many members being against it, who agreed to it in the first place?
Also, as an ecologist and climatologist by training - I am all for any green solution. But a complete ban like this? Surely that's gonna lead to more petrol and diesel cars staying in circulation much longer, making it so that more older cars roam the streets. Also, how would we power all the electric cars? The network is simply not built for that yet.
And all the same rules for all vehicles? Like... Small and large cars will have the same limit on emissions? Wouldn't that mean that instead of sending one large lorry, the logistics company will just send two smaller ones since together they can produce twice as many emissions?
It's already a given that it will not pass, it's not realistic. Probably the idea was set a very ambitious exgtreme goal so when it gets watered down as it inevitably will it will still be at a decent level.
Why the hell do you want to cut emissions ?! It has nothing to do with weather/climate change. There is no correlation between emissions and the temperature ! The world emissions are rising anyways because large Asian (China and India) and African countries are emitting more and more. If your theory was true, there should be a drought and a heat wave. None of that is happening, it is actually really cold and wet in Europe right now (with world;s emissions rising).
Note the fact that EU's share of emissions is only 5-6% globally which is tiny like a "drop in the ocean" and EU's share is constantly declining because (others are not cutting emissions) nobody else in the world believes in this neo-communist ideology. Either way EU's emissions are utterly insignificant. Go to Asia and Africa and tell them to cut emissions !!!!
Im 100% sure that these car company’s could keep all those jobs but they had to actually change the way the work would have to be done and that’s to expansive for them so they just fire a load of ppl to save money.
If they want to fire people, they will. We've seen this over and over.
Problem is not only the prices, in Europe the prices of cars are quite expensive not only to buy them but also all the tax that comes above the car prices when buying one then you have road tax and the prices for fuel which is very expensive and then insurance.
Most people I know buy older cars newer cars are often from company lease.
That said the problem is also the power that is needed for all those electric cars most of the power network and the power stations cannot provide the power that is needed for a billion cars within the EU.
I bet everything i got that the rich will still get to keep their sports cars and private jets, only us "peasants" will have to go get the bus.
Well I sold my car and went to Japan and the rail system is heaven here! Cheap, clean, convenient and quiet. I'd be an idiot if I'd use a car here!
@@NiekNooijens ok. Let us idiots be idiots and let us just get a bit of happiness from driving our cars every now and then.
Car ownership in Europe has become extremely costly in the past 20 years. And I don't believe for a minute that cars will cost only 100 euros more under these new EU specifications.
Yeah if you want a new car. Or you can be smart and get an old Toyota like I did and spend just 50 euros on yearly oil and filters LOL.
@@antunnutna2376 Toyota manufactures really good cars, they last a long time. You made a good choice.
@@mikethespike7579 true they make real workhorses.
the EU has lost their minds
Title is deceptive. The ban would be specific to combustion cars. The title implies that it would be a ban on all cars
We’re not in Europe anymore, so why should new laws?
It to late for Europe Ev is in Europe is green but will fall short......oil isnt going anywhere, gas isnt going anywhere in gact mire gas is being used......
Finally something the Czech Republic does right, thumbs up for Vondra 👍.
This directive is not about protecting environment, but about destruction of personal transport, it is designed to increase inequality. Make the West richer and the East poorer. No wonder that biggest proponents are countries that don't produce cars like Belgium or Netherlands.
and how will be the west richer?
Why are people trying to ban cars tho just create another mode of transport and let people who want to drive car own them
Exactly. Car owners leave their cars at home and take puplic transport when it's more practical.
The thing is, biggest problem about cars and climate is the fuel itself. Crude oil adds carbon into the atmosphere, while if we did use oils from renewable, biological sources, it would be not far from neutrality
We could throw it all on stop - gap synthetic oil, and ban crude oil altogether by 2030 - 2035. CO2 emissions and trade deficits will already nosedive.
please make a follow up in the future!
The reason US regulations on car emissions are easier to implement/follow is because the US EPA only job is regulate pollutants. While at the same EPA and the State of California have strict and specific rules for car emissions. The main one is air quality has to come from real world driving emissions collected by car computers. But again having just the EPA and the State of California simplifies matters and makes regulating and reducing car emissions easier, plus the US doesn't really do diesel passenger cars like the EU.
I always bought about 10 year old cars and already these are getting less affordable because of a shortage of benzine cars. But if I go and buy an electric car from 10 years old: what will be left of the battery capacity? And what if that breaks down? I can't afford a new battery pack.
And those battery packs? They bring heavy pollution: the source of the materials isn't exactly "clean" and the disposal is the same story.
I just had my engine revised, it will run another 10 years. And it WILL run another 10 years. I am not buying a car with the current battery tech.
As much as I hate cars and car centric societies...
We can't wage war in electric cars.
And handing Enron Musk the conman a golden goose doesn't sound appealing either.
Just exponentially tax them by weight and emission, rather than horsepower. Boom. Solved. If we can get rid of SUVs and (stupid) pick-ups, we're already most of the way there.
I just prefer travelling alone without being pushed into tiny uncomfortable and loud public transports with strangers. Also a car brings me everywhere without timetable a directly where else with public transports I have to change multiple times and I am stuck to a special route and time table. Still, not getting to the place I need to without finding solutions for the last mile. All, with whatever stuff I am carrying with me. Even in a traffic jam I do have my personal space and music. No need to engage with other people. - I don’t like the ideas of people who what to make a car only available to “the right” people but not to the rest.
Yeah, same here. Public transport caters to planability and daily commute, but completely fucks with everything else. I work in a job where I am constantly surrounded by people, their needs and demands and low planability of free-time and I'd like to have my private space after work and in my free-time and the ability to go where I please whenever I can. Last thing I need is paying three times the price of a ticket someone else had the ability to buy two weeks ahead of time and then sitting in the cramped compartement (me being a 120kg 1.9m person) of a train or bus along with the sound and smell of other people.
Dumb law. First the rich and the Euroaucrats need to give up on their private jet planes.
Usually i'm ok with EU but if they ban cars and especially thermo engine cars i'll give them a BIG Midfinger.
Also weird how they measure only car immediate pollution factors but not the pollution from “utilizing” batteries
I will probably not be able to afford buying an electric car in my lifetime… My cars are generally 20+ years old
I would go to those companys and slap them for rallying against this. Really they could see this comming for years and did nothing to prepare but no, why invest in the future if you can just use corrupt polititians to change it. Disgusting.
Maybe focus on replacing coal power plants with nuclear first?
Don't get me wrong, this is certainly a step in the right direction. I hope this will close the SUV loophole, and end the market dominance of ugly SUVs.
Well, the EU is big and can do a few things at once
SUV loophole can be fixed by having tonnage limits.
Cars must be 1 ton max on sale.
Then we might see more sub 1 ton vics.
They should force them to make stuff that last longer. Not just cars but also all the electronics and stuff like furniture and clothes and so on...
Also you can't just replace a coal with nuclear per say. There are very few places where you can build nuclear plant. You need water dam nearby and the place needs to have low natural radiation levels. It also eats so much water so you have to count with that especially. Also people around just don't want to have a new power-plant nearby. All the while coal plant's are already there no need to make more. And with other green power like Solar, water dam, or Wind it's much worse it terms of placement's. Water is the best of them the only problems are that there is just not enough places to build them and you need to have second, or even third dam half empty in case of floods (they don't do that because its inconvenient for them to have dam in not use, just to prevent floods that doesn't effect their bottom line). Wind is unreliable and it needs a place to dump the electricity when the wind blows too much. It also have some secondary effect to nature like bird migration or what not, but I don't know much about those reasons so don't take me on those. Solar is the worst of a power plant, because of how much space it takes to use it effectively. You could theoretically just use roof's in cities, but that could not be planed effectively from centralize point. So it's on the people that install it for themself. I heard some energy companies support people in doing that, letting them generate energy and later take from the grid what they generated. It depends if the grid is build for that. But decentralize solar is probably the best, thought you can't actually set to build it like normal power plant.
NOx, particulates and other pollutants are NOT regulated to help "save the climate", but for excellent reasons of public health. A medical study, published some weeks ago, is claiming that 1200 children are dying every year in the EU because of air pollution alone, and 8-9% of children suffer from asthma because of it.
Irrespective of climate, don't you think that cleaning up the air we breathe is a worthy cause?
What do you mean "there hasn't been much on it in the English speaking press"? Ireland is in the EU and English speaking, and there has been quite a few stories on the subject.
Well, if the public transport becomes really green and covers the whole totality of the urban centers and its wide enough to carry massive populations, some areas of cities can probably closed to cars.
Some historical centers in Italy are already closed to traffic.
Meanwhile BYD sold 10,000 of it's budget Seagull micro hatch in a day. Honestly if the EU doesn't get on with electrifying it's transport sector China will do it for them.
This is it, the electric car industry is moving ahead, regardless of the old guard trying to hold things back.
If these companies are not careful with dragging their feet, they could put themselves at a major disadvantaged compared to rivals that do push hard on electric cars.
What the EU is doing is trying to light the fire under them so they move quickly to electric cars, otherwise, rivals from the US and China will eat up the market.
My next car is going to be electric and because of that, the ones that don't push in that sector won't get a look in from consumers like me.
In any case, if these companies and governments are worried about job losses now, imagine how bad it will be if most consumers end up only wanting to buy electric cars and these companies are not ready for it, most consumers could look at rivals from the US and China for their next car, I certainly would if these European car companies don't get their act together and this is going to be more the case as more consumers put more solar up, many will want to power their house and electric cars by that, if they produce enough energy.
All that is going to make petrol and diesel cars very unappealing, especially on running cost.
But seriously, how many of us are really going to want to buy a petrol or diesel car by 2035? By then, electric cars should be quite good and decent price.
Random fact about Germany in this topic. It's one (the smallest coalition partner) party of the government that pushes for this BS
Yeah, I'm mad, that these small party extremists can hold the whole government, country, and even the EU hostage!
Imagine we stayed with EURO 5 - poorer people who need car would be able to buy newer cars, the people who buy new cars would be able to buy cars more affordable and hence replace them more often - they would lead to situation when more people would drive clean cars with EURO 5 limits. Now prices of used cars skyrocketed, people are driving older cars - so enviromentalism leads to worse results - both for enviromen and people.
Oh god, no! imagine everyone driving a car. That'd be just the disaster everyone is worried about.
The plebeians will not have cars but the people who drive this will !
I am all for the green transition as a Central European, however we must make sure that the economic sacrifices we are making are shared between all member states in a just manner. I do not generally understand why everyone supports e.g. Dutch farmers when they protest against emissions standars saying their livelihoods are on the hooks, but tell Germany and the V4s that it is "tough luck, sorry" when it comes to car manufacturing and the livelihoods of people working in that industry.
I'm a German and I support Dutch farmers, but not the car industry.
Reason: We need food, but we could live comfortably without cars, if public transportation were made available & affordable everywhere in the country and if the government would allow Indian-style bike rickshaws in the cities (we need vehicles able to transport relatively heavy loads like e.g. weekly shopping for a family; in times past before there were cars, people used horses for that). And I hate the Green party, because they want to oppress people even much *more* than Hitler and Stalin did: they want to ration food & prohibit some foods, ration heating & electricity and prohibit heating with wood, prohibit physical money to control people, abolish free speech, abolish borders to destroy all cultures, propagate promiscuity to destroy families and cause traumatizing & neglect of children, so they will be more susceptible to indoctrination & propaganda, and a world government, so there will be nowhere to escape their tyranny. Green politicians are enemies of mankind.
I'm absolutely for the change as long as the money saved goes to more efficient public transport and bike lanes🚴
I agree, but the public transport need to come before the petrol car ban. Poorer people can't afford to buy electric, and if the buses aren't there YET... The public transportation needs to precede the new rules.
@@charlotteinnocent8752 Regulations Have consequences BYD and Cadillac can replace my Mercedes. And most lower end consumers Will gladly replace Volkswagen for Honda
You communist
@Sparks doubt that. This will only hurt us from Easter n Europe
@@rudysmith1552 Still not a plane
Why the ban it's stupid, modern cars that drive on fossil fuels put out way less emissions and should be approved aswell. Lot's of people in rural area's need cars to get around, and electric cars are not affordable even for the lower middle class. The E.U. needs to think more on a lower level.
I think some German politicians need to get their stuff together.
You can’t make (nor claim) yourself the greenest country of Europe when you shut down nuclear reactors in favor of the coal industry, and refuse to push for greener transportation (as the largest automobile industry in the continent).
Especially when half of its neighbors north and west actually have far smaller carbon footprints.
And most of that can be attributed to politics and lobbyists
They funding e-cars for citizens then, right? we can't afford electric cars so easy, that's why people drive old diesel cars
Right! And many people have no place to charge the EV's if they did have them.
This whole emissions thing needs to be viewed in the context of transport needs & desires. Cutting the number of cars by providing attractive & practical alternatives would reduce total emissions as would cleaning up individual vehicles.
Alan, passenger cars account for only 10% of transport sector emissions
@@thebloody0076 Well said.
@@yasi4877 what? Where did you get that information
it's not only a matter of pollution. the space particular cars occupy in total is astounding. so inefficient
Well... Couldn't they just implement 2 grades of euro 7? The planned version as 7+. As a best if you can reach it, and government around the world could say we want E7+ even if you sell E7.
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
It's so stupid, Germany should switch to e-mobility especially BECAUSE we have such a big car industry,
none electric cars will be a novelty in the near future and no one will buy German cars anymore, I wonder how many jobs THAT will cost.
cant afford fuel? just buy a new 100k car that the government can control remotely.
Carbon neutral I already have a pretty hard time imagining it'll ever happen, but "Climate neutral" is just insane... xD
about the germany thing. Nobody in germany wished the e-fuel thing except for the party of FDP and the car brand Porsche. Every other car company was against e-fuels. ( idk about the euro7 position of germany)
and my thoughts about euro 7 is as long it does not benefit bigger cars like it is done in its efficiancy scale. where heavier cars are better scaled because of their motor and it transports the weight more effician than a smaller Skoda Fabia with a enginge perfect for the car and less fuel consumption overall but on the lower tip of the scala because it does not weight as much compared to others. ( idk if my english is good enought that you could understand it)
Look, it is none of the politicians' business what we drive, what we eat and what we wear. I hope you don't belong to this communist climate sect which wants to turn us 100 years back in time !!
That's redundant, the FDP is just Porsche.
This encourages carmakers to let go of the production of small cars (already a trend btw).
As Bulgarian, I am severely disappointed in the position that the Republic is taking on this
I don't care about there concerns,pass it and do not water down the deal,you fuck with the environment then this the punishment you will get.
Just and severe,as it should be
Flying a plane to Hungary from Finland is cheaper than taking a train from Helsinki to Lappeenranta. The whole "public transport" isn't for the public. It's for business trips and work commuters.
Half of Europe drive 20+ year old car with that being said I can't wait to see how that plays out.😅😂😂😂
Ban SUVs
Perhaps we can start by banning the private jets these politicians that lecture us loves to use for short flights when they have commercial flights and trains available.
Ban EU
Can’t lie, the EU being hard on climate change, really does it for me.
they could be hard on banning german lignite mines for good, so those schnitzel eaters can finally take a green turn after spending on shit for the past 15 years
@@SirBalageG The last government already banned the use of coal power plants by 2035; the problem is, that until 2030 there wouldn't be much difference in the emissions. Nonetheless, they decided to pay the respective companies for each GW/h they shut down, so some power plants even prolonged their licenses to run until 2035.
@@_jpg the german energy market is a fucking joke, bigger then I could have ever imagined
Is there any regulation you mugs don't love?
Good idea. They should eliminate all pollution except mine.
You'd think that the main car manufacturers would welcome any changes that mean that cars get out of date faster than naturally.
Once euro 7 is implemented, city centers (and other emission control zones) can start banning any cars that have only euro 6 and below. That would lead to more people needing (or wanting) new cars earlier than if they just had to replace wear and tear.
Also, with how China (as a country, not necessarily as a car manufacturer) is kind of known for the opposite of clean power production, you'd think that stricter emission standards in the EU would make it _harder_ for overseas car manufacturers to export to Europe. It's always easier to leave out a new particulate filter or other newly developed component from your export products than to retrofit it into them.
'Euro politicians and electorates are more concerned that ever about climate control'... no. I'm afraid it's mainly the politicians that are concerned and the majority of the electorate are fairly indifferent. That's not very high on 'our' agenda for better or worse.