One caveat of the Polymer Press is that the temperature of the petroleum has to be lower than the melting point of plastic, otherwise the plastic that comes out of the Polymer Press immediately melts to naphtha. I found that the hard way and took me a while to figure out why I wasn't producing any plastic in one of my playthroughs
Personally I use a single, simple glossy ranch. Moving pumps and managing free oil can be an additional complication and once you run out of the free stuff it adds water, natural gas and dupe venting. Dreckos can live near the main base and chug along with plastic production.
Yeah, I think the devs did excellent with the trade-offs. Long-term, using oil/polymer press is better for resources and labor, but there are a lot of hurdles to get to continuous production. You've got to have reed fiber and piped oxygen for suits, breach the oil biome, have steel for the pump, and have a cooling solution (more steel). With Drecko's, you need a rancher, Dreckos, dirt, and a touch of cooling. Even with their long lifecycles, you can get plastic humming along by cycle 100 without rushing anything.
@@kwad9145 - Not wrong at all. I always set up a drecko farm, 2 rooms normal 2 rooms glossy and a... leftover room. Tens of thousands of reed fiber and multi thousands of tons of plastic per game. Balm lily cost nothing for reed fiber, dirt is easily renewable for glossy at least later on, and use the water for better uses than reed fiber or plastic production.
@@kwad9145Presses can be strong while paired with a boiler, eliminating labor cost with good output. You need a constant source of heat for the boiler though. To cool the presses and refinery if you use it, you need a turbine + aquatuner setup if you don’t have access to geysers. If you don’t have much natural oil, then you need slicksters or natural features to get more or ship it. Stables can be made more cheaply and quickly compared to a boiler and aquatuner setup. Renewable dirt for mealwood can be made in many ways compared the number of ways to create to oil. Heat is also less of an issue. Does require more labor overall to maintain.
As someone who's been playing for a while but never really hit my stride, I'd say the drecko route is better to recommend to newer players because it teaches the right mindset for the game. Polymer press is the route that players used to other games will go for (why am I building a ranch with odd requirements when there's a simple, if higher tech, industrial solution?) instinctively, and then skewer themselves on sustainability traps.
I like Glossy Dreckos just because they make plastic accesible in the early game. I may end up using the Polymer Press later in the same run, but with dreckos, I don't need to wait until the oil stage before I set up my polluted water sterilization chamber. Not to mention Steam Turbines for cooling.
I feel like the difference might be " are you a dupe pamperer or an industrialist". If your first thought after food is finding a site for an industrial sauna then throw some polymer presses there and your good. But for me the most fun thing is getting all the materials I need to build interesting bases and stability so after my meal wood farm is up I start looking for dreckos.
...........CRITTER FOUNTAIN/CONDO........NOPE???.....LIKE HAVING DUPES TO DO A SHEARING IS TOO MUCH TIME?? ......GLOSSY DRECKOS ARE *REALLY* THE BEST.....ESPECIALLY WITH THEIR COZY STATUS.......
To be fair Glossy allows for plastic production before you have access to petroleum or more importantly on asteroids that lack access completely. Likewise the basic Drecko gives players without access to thimbleweed/pwater access to fiber. It's actually a really well thought out way to not lock players out of tech trees.
I think they're both perfectly valid to talk about during a playthrough that is aimed a newer players. When I was new I found that it was easier to set up a polymer press and deal with the side effects to it as they happen (and they happen quick) which would be heat from the plastic, heat from the oil, exhaust etc. vs the drecko solution which requires a lot of preplanning; first you need to level up a duplicate to even get to ranching, and then you learn how to ranch, then you need to learn how to sort eggs, you pretty much need to learn automation and the conveyer belt is an unlock that happens later anyways, and you also need to know how to move gas and lock it into a room. So I think the polymer press is definitely more beginner friendly by a longshot.
And then you have me, who still felt like "Oh I gotta check the eggs" every three cycles even after I set up shipping for them, because in my last run, I managed to go *2,000 cycles* using the sweep-only bins to handle excess eggs, during the first dozen of which I built up a habit of checking the eggs of each stable every three or so cycles. And there were a *lot* of stables (four stone hatch stables, a glossy drecko stable, two pip stables, one regular and one cuddle because why not, four puft stables, a sanishell stable and three molten slickster stables). I am your inverse. To anyone else reading, please don't repeat me; because I wasn't sweeping the eggs manually anymore, I had an unshakable feeling that I needed to do something that I wasn't doing, and it took a while to figure out why. Feeling's gone now, but I don't reccomend it.
One thing many player overlook with polymer press is that it produces plastic. I know that sounds wierd because it's the only thing it does but they forget that you just set it up in a room ready to put a self-cooled steam turbine on top. And then you take the first 200kg of plastic the polymer press produces to build that steam turbine. There. Cooling for the polymer press solved! However, I do prefer dreckos myself especially because you can make a ranch setup where you emphasize one or the other type of drecko. Early game you want reeds fibers for suits and basic decor, mid-game you want more plastic, and late game you want to switch back to reeds for making insulation and massive amounts of carpet tiles for decor bombing.
Oh I see what you mean. Make a steam room with the polymer press in it, make the turbine when you've made enough plastic. As someone who has made that mistake,that's a really good top
Personal Opinion: in terms of early to mid game (1-1000+ cycles): Dreckos win due to many resources it provides and they're easy to feed in terms of late game (1500+ or 2000+ cycles): Polymer press wins since late game focuses more on dupe time
I was lucky to have glossy dreckos appear relatively early in my game. I'm past cycle 300 and I am swimming in plastic without having to worry about the heat it would've caused.
I tend, if i have access to a pip, to set up a ranch for the dreckos fairly early using a bunch of pip planted mealwood seeds, then move the pip out. It works well, consumes almost nothing, except when my duplicants come to groom or shear. Typically I have a 2 tile layer of hydrogen at the top of the stable, and then 2 tiles of breathable gas for the duplicants at the bottom. Eventually this produces glossy dreckos, and plastic is slowly but almoat freely produced. It also gives me a large suplly of reed fibers
That's how I do it, too. For another level of laziness, put the starvation ranch on the top with airflow tiles for flooring and the door on the bottom, ladder to the floor of the breeding one. Then set up an electrolyzer on the floor of the breeding ranch, airflow tiles below it, and use it to fill the top with hydrogen and produce O2 usually before you have all the research and such needed for a proper SPOM.
@@fuzzypumpkin7743 oh, that's nice. You took what I tend toward, and then you expanded on it. I looked at it with a "minimal effort" and you turn it into "minimal effort for even more gain" _NICE_ I shall have to try to delve into this idea.
For dreckos, I don't do water locks anymore. Just build your room(s) for starvation ranching above the breeding ranch. Put the only access into the starvation ranch as a door on the bottom with a ladder down to the floor of the breeding ranch. The hydrogen will stay up due to the nature of the gases. I don't usually bother with suits, either, in the starvation ranch, but it's not a bad idea. Certainly cuts down on those silly breathing breaks.
I'm exactly with you. I let the hydrogen just float to the top of a two floor sixteen wide room. This allows for a lower level to contain 4ish regular breeding dreckos with a breeding room that drops in fresh directly above and a starvation sheering room after that. There's even room for a regular old gas mask station. Compact and it produces an ungodly amount of egg shells, plastic, and meat
In a Super Sustainable run, it is quite easy to ramp up to two to three Glossy Drecko ranches. It piles up so much that after the achievement is won, I don't feel the need for a polymer press until much later on.
I did a starvation ranch-y setup - ranch 1 was regular Dreckos, tamed, fed mealwood, ranch 2 was just an area with wil mealwood for any extra regular Dreckos, and all glossy eggs were sent to a hydrogen room with a shearing station and incubators. I had *so much* plastic.
A Drecko farm can take a while to spin up to get to decent production. An Oil refinery and Polymer Press can be setup easily and get you your first bit of plastic pretty fast, although (as Magnet points out) you're going to have to deal with the higher temperatures involved. If you can find a Drecko early on and have a way to keep the mealwood cool enough, it's a great option to have spin up as you work on the basics of an early base. All depends on what resources you have available on your map and your play style.
imo the best thing about drekos is that they can basically be put into any base without any other infrastructure except maybe a bit of dirt to feed the mealwood, compared to the polymer press which requires constant supply of petroleum and the ability to keep it cool which is way more work.
I like the Dreckos for Spaced Out my starting base had no source of Crude Oil . (i'm bad at ONI but The DLC is so much more fun for me than the base game)
Depends on what you like tbh, PPress is simple, little setup so it can take less space on the map but will have heat issues later and requires oil. While Drecko ranch takes some setup to get going, while it can be time consuming the rewards you get for are useful overall, reed fiber, plastic, egg shells, and meat. In regards to dirt for meelwood, a solution could be either pip wild plant mealwood or pip ranching for sustainable dirt. Ill say to each their own tbh. Both have pros and cons.
Dreckos hatch at a fixed temperature, 62.5C for regular 42.5C for glossy (the midpoint of their comfort range) and and consist of 400kg of genetic ooze. That is a massive amount of heat that will stifle your plants as the drecko comes to room temperature. They don't generate heat, they're born hot. I've been told (haven't verified this) that their body temperature resets when they reach adulthood for even more temperature. (someone correct me if I'm wrong about that). For me, dreckos are the clear winner since I need the phosphorite for fertilizer production.
Glossy Dreckos are great. And you don't even need a complicated room setup. Just make the room airtight at the top, pump in enough hydrogen to saturate the ceiling airspace and then maintain oxygen pressure to stop the hydrogen leaking (and if it does leak, oh well its only hydrogen) - or you can just place the Drecko ranch at the top of the base and let physics sort it out. Put in a handful of mealwood plants, a grooming and shearing station and you're done (though it will take a while to start producing a lot). So long as you assign a rancher or two and keep the room reasonably temperate it'll require no further input from you and you'll get plastic and fibre trickling in as you sort out your long term oxygen and water situation.
I also prefer drekos, but if i have to use the polymer press i avoid using gold amalgam for it. Its a trap. You say "125C is high anyway, i dont want it to reach that much, so i wont make it out of steel, i will just keep it lower" and you make it out of gold, but in this case gold is not a good material, not because of the overheat temperature but because of its thermal capacity and conductivity. They are the reason the building gets really hot. Gold has the lowest capacity, so that heat energy that is generated inside the building rises its temperature really fast. Any other metal have about 3 times more the capacity, so it raises its temperature 3 times slower. On top, gold has bad thermal conductivity, so the two things make it really hard to cool down. Ideally i would make it out of steel, purely because it has better capacity and vastly better conductivity than gold amalgam. If i still dont have steel for some reason or it is very scarse, aluminium ore would be the second best option, copper, cobalt and iron ore are relatively the same for third option. (Im excluding the more "exotic" ores from the list) If its made out of steel, you can cool it down pretty easily. Like on this video it was made out of gold it was sitting on top the cooling and it was almost 60C. If it was made out of steel im sure it would be just a few degrees warmer than the coolant itself.
@3:30 the high temperature is because of the Dreckos themselves. Glossy Dreckos hatch from their eggs at ~42°C, regular Dreckos even at ~62°C. That's why we need cooling for the mealwood :) Btw. what is the best way to create/get dirt? Best as in: Infinite/renewable/sustainable to support a Drecko-Ranch for thousands of cycles?
I honestly haven't ran a base where I really needed that much dirt, so I am not totally sure. I have heard people talk about boiling polluted water, running a naturally-planted pip ranch, or baking algae into dirt, but they all seem incredibly impractical. I don't think some things are meant to run for that long without jumping through some crazy hoops. If it's just about keeping regular Dreckos alive, a balm Lilly based terrarium for them could run infinitely cause balm lillies don't need any resources to grow in a farm tile.
Best way to get dirt is arbor tree farming. 70 kg pwater and 10 kg dirt per cycle, but every harvest if assembled and grown correctly is 1500 lumber every 4.5 cycles, lumber converts to ethanol, polluted dirt and carbon dioxide in ethanol distillery at 50% ethanol, 33% polluted dirt and 17% carbon dioxide. Compost that polluted dirt. So you spend 45-50 dirt to get 500 dirt every 4.5 cycles PER TREE and ethanol for petroleum generators to run the whole setup. Needs some water input as the polluted water from the petrolium generators isn't enough to feed the arbor trees.
when drecko born, they are at 60+ C. that's where the hot is coming. they get quickly temperature from around, that's why a single wheez is enough. I never use press...
This is crazy I was just thinking abt leaving a comment on your last video to ask abt this exactly Edit: a let’s build of the glossy drecko set up would be awesome
Glossy win by a mile. You get 3 things from them. You get 1 thing from the press plus the headache of all that heat. It's not even close. I've not built a press in years. They are a waste of time. You dupes are doing nothing most of the time anyway if you automate. So, dupe time is the silliest things people say. Dupes have nothing but time.
I think it's better than either option tbh, partly because the nectar is extremely cold when it's harvested and has very good heat capacity, so you can cool with it before you turn it into plastic.
I think a P Boiler in combination with a plastic press is better than dreco just because that is a set and forget kind of process whereas the dreco requires setup and duplicant action
Polymer presses are easily better late game but glossy dreckos are insane on oil low maps on Space Out!. In my walkthrough as a new play I accidently starved me dreckos because I didnt know their diet but still got tons of plastic that carried me for a while until I reached the Oil Planet. Now that I have a boiler, an industrial brick and too much petroleum to even do stuff with, polymer presses just get stuff down simpler.
@@juanfernando4686 I honestly dont bother with the dreckos bc I'd rather trade out 2 petroleum generators for 3 polymer presses in my double petroleum boiler. In that situation I am going power postive and water even. I dont want to use up my dirt supplies on the mealwood bc at the moment making new dirt is REALLY slow for me.
To me, polymer press still better because the dirt you have to use for the mealworms. By mid to late game you can deal with heat and there is more than enough crude oil for anything. I value more the dirt.
Hey Magnet, love your vids. learning a lot with each. i am looking for a ranching mage tutorial (from your older series) but i couldnt find one. do you have one?
@@Magnet_MD sorry i cant even spell properly, i meant it was supposed to say "Ranching mega tutorial" but you answered anyway :D i know you have the basic one. i wanted to know how to ranch dreckos and since your vids are awesome i looked if you had one.
Transit tubes aren't needed. I never much ever build them and have zero trouble with my Dupes getting places. If you are in the DLC and the small planets they aren't worth anything, being they are the size of postage stamps. They only thing you really need plastic for is high pressure vents, and turbines. One glossy is all you'd ever really need. One ranch gives you hundreds of tons you'll never use.
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One caveat of the Polymer Press is that the temperature of the petroleum has to be lower than the melting point of plastic, otherwise the plastic that comes out of the Polymer Press immediately melts to naphtha. I found that the hard way and took me a while to figure out why I wasn't producing any plastic in one of my playthroughs
I think that speaks more to humanity itself than the polymer press but it is a strong point nonetheless
Personally I use a single, simple glossy ranch. Moving pumps and managing free oil can be an additional complication and once you run out of the free stuff it adds water, natural gas and dupe venting. Dreckos can live near the main base and chug along with plastic production.
been there ... but id di it on purpose 🤣for naphtha lock production
Yeah, I think the devs did excellent with the trade-offs. Long-term, using oil/polymer press is better for resources and labor, but there are a lot of hurdles to get to continuous production. You've got to have reed fiber and piped oxygen for suits, breach the oil biome, have steel for the pump, and have a cooling solution (more steel). With Drecko's, you need a rancher, Dreckos, dirt, and a touch of cooling. Even with their long lifecycles, you can get plastic humming along by cycle 100 without rushing anything.
Like every point of yours is wrong lol hopefully this is a joke
@@kwad9145 - Not wrong at all. I always set up a drecko farm, 2 rooms normal 2 rooms glossy and a... leftover room. Tens of thousands of reed fiber and multi thousands of tons of plastic per game. Balm lily cost nothing for reed fiber, dirt is easily renewable for glossy at least later on, and use the water for better uses than reed fiber or plastic production.
@@ahmataevoYes. That's right. What about it?
@@kwad9145Presses can be strong while paired with a boiler, eliminating labor cost with good output. You need a constant source of heat for the boiler though. To cool the presses and refinery if you use it, you need a turbine + aquatuner setup if you don’t have access to geysers. If you don’t have much natural oil, then you need slicksters or natural features to get more or ship it.
Stables can be made more cheaply and quickly compared to a boiler and aquatuner setup. Renewable dirt for mealwood can be made in many ways compared the number of
ways to create to oil. Heat is also less of an issue. Does require more labor overall to maintain.
As someone who's been playing for a while but never really hit my stride, I'd say the drecko route is better to recommend to newer players because it teaches the right mindset for the game. Polymer press is the route that players used to other games will go for (why am I building a ranch with odd requirements when there's a simple, if higher tech, industrial solution?) instinctively, and then skewer themselves on sustainability traps.
I like Glossy Dreckos just because they make plastic accesible in the early game. I may end up using the Polymer Press later in the same run, but with dreckos, I don't need to wait until the oil stage before I set up my polluted water sterilization chamber. Not to mention Steam Turbines for cooling.
You don't need plastic to kill germs. Just 3 full reservoirs in chlorine endlessly circulating pwater will kill all germs.
If you can spin up a geothermal petroleum boiler the polymer press can be truly dupe labor free in normal operation with a bit of automation
I feel like the difference might be " are you a dupe pamperer or an industrialist". If your first thought after food is finding a site for an industrial sauna then throw some polymer presses there and your good. But for me the most fun thing is getting all the materials I need to build interesting bases and stability so after my meal wood farm is up I start looking for dreckos.
...........CRITTER FOUNTAIN/CONDO........NOPE???.....LIKE HAVING DUPES TO DO A SHEARING IS TOO MUCH TIME??
......GLOSSY DRECKOS ARE *REALLY* THE BEST.....ESPECIALLY WITH THEIR COZY STATUS.......
To be fair Glossy allows for plastic production before you have access to petroleum or more importantly on asteroids that lack access completely. Likewise the basic Drecko gives players without access to thimbleweed/pwater access to fiber. It's actually a really well thought out way to not lock players out of tech trees.
I think they're both perfectly valid to talk about during a playthrough that is aimed a newer players. When I was new I found that it was easier to set up a polymer press and deal with the side effects to it as they happen (and they happen quick) which would be heat from the plastic, heat from the oil, exhaust etc. vs the drecko solution which requires a lot of preplanning; first you need to level up a duplicate to even get to ranching, and then you learn how to ranch, then you need to learn how to sort eggs, you pretty much need to learn automation and the conveyer belt is an unlock that happens later anyways, and you also need to know how to move gas and lock it into a room. So I think the polymer press is definitely more beginner friendly by a longshot.
You don't need shipping to handle the eggs. A Sweep-Only storage bin that holds the excess eggs until they break works just fine. Trust me, I know.
@@UlyssesK402 😅 Jokes aside, you're right, but if you're like me you forget to sweep and you go dozens of cycles without egg production💀
And then you have me, who still felt like "Oh I gotta check the eggs" every three cycles even after I set up shipping for them, because in my last run, I managed to go *2,000 cycles* using the sweep-only bins to handle excess eggs, during the first dozen of which I built up a habit of checking the eggs of each stable every three or so cycles. And there were a *lot* of stables (four stone hatch stables, a glossy drecko stable, two pip stables, one regular and one cuddle because why not, four puft stables, a sanishell stable and three molten slickster stables). I am your inverse.
To anyone else reading, please don't repeat me; because I wasn't sweeping the eggs manually anymore, I had an unshakable feeling that I needed to do something that I wasn't doing, and it took a while to figure out why. Feeling's gone now, but I don't reccomend it.
You made 16 tons and what do you get?
Another day older and Deeper in debt..
One thing many player overlook with polymer press is that it produces plastic.
I know that sounds wierd because it's the only thing it does but they forget that you just set it up in a room ready to put a self-cooled steam turbine on top. And then you take the first 200kg of plastic the polymer press produces to build that steam turbine. There. Cooling for the polymer press solved!
However, I do prefer dreckos myself especially because you can make a ranch setup where you emphasize one or the other type of drecko. Early game you want reeds fibers for suits and basic decor, mid-game you want more plastic, and late game you want to switch back to reeds for making insulation and massive amounts of carpet tiles for decor bombing.
Oh I see what you mean. Make a steam room with the polymer press in it, make the turbine when you've made enough plastic.
As someone who has made that mistake,that's a really good top
Personal Opinion:
in terms of early to mid game (1-1000+ cycles): Dreckos win due to many resources it provides and they're easy to feed
in terms of late game (1500+ or 2000+ cycles): Polymer press wins since late game focuses more on dupe time
Drecko hatching rooms are super warm because Dreckos are born at 62.5°C.
What really?😂
@@karliversen1072I don't know if the exact temperature is right but they do indeed start with a body temp higher than what mealwood can handle.
In one game before spaced out I used the drecko phosphorite to feed wheeze warts to cool the drecko ranches. It worked really well.
I was lucky to have glossy dreckos appear relatively early in my game. I'm past cycle 300 and I am swimming in plastic without having to worry about the heat it would've caused.
I tend, if i have access to a pip, to set up a ranch for the dreckos fairly early using a bunch of pip planted mealwood seeds, then move the pip out. It works well, consumes almost nothing, except when my duplicants come to groom or shear. Typically I have a 2 tile layer of hydrogen at the top of the stable, and then 2 tiles of breathable gas for the duplicants at the bottom. Eventually this produces glossy dreckos, and plastic is slowly but almoat freely produced. It also gives me a large suplly of reed fibers
That's how I do it, too. For another level of laziness, put the starvation ranch on the top with airflow tiles for flooring and the door on the bottom, ladder to the floor of the breeding one. Then set up an electrolyzer on the floor of the breeding ranch, airflow tiles below it, and use it to fill the top with hydrogen and produce O2 usually before you have all the research and such needed for a proper SPOM.
@@fuzzypumpkin7743 oh, that's nice. You took what I tend toward, and then you expanded on it. I looked at it with a "minimal effort" and you turn it into "minimal effort for even more gain" _NICE_ I shall have to try to delve into this idea.
For dreckos, I don't do water locks anymore. Just build your room(s) for starvation ranching above the breeding ranch. Put the only access into the starvation ranch as a door on the bottom with a ladder down to the floor of the breeding ranch. The hydrogen will stay up due to the nature of the gases. I don't usually bother with suits, either, in the starvation ranch, but it's not a bad idea. Certainly cuts down on those silly breathing breaks.
I'm exactly with you. I let the hydrogen just float to the top of a two floor sixteen wide room. This allows for a lower level to contain 4ish regular breeding dreckos with a breeding room that drops in fresh directly above and a starvation sheering room after that. There's even room for a regular old gas mask station. Compact and it produces an ungodly amount of egg shells, plastic, and meat
In a Super Sustainable run, it is quite easy to ramp up to two to three Glossy Drecko ranches. It piles up so much that after the achievement is won, I don't feel the need for a polymer press until much later on.
I did a starvation ranch-y setup - ranch 1 was regular Dreckos, tamed, fed mealwood, ranch 2 was just an area with wil mealwood for any extra regular Dreckos, and all glossy eggs were sent to a hydrogen room with a shearing station and incubators.
I had *so much* plastic.
A Drecko farm can take a while to spin up to get to decent production. An Oil refinery and Polymer Press can be setup easily and get you your first bit of plastic pretty fast, although (as Magnet points out) you're going to have to deal with the higher temperatures involved.
If you can find a Drecko early on and have a way to keep the mealwood cool enough, it's a great option to have spin up as you work on the basics of an early base.
All depends on what resources you have available on your map and your play style.
imo the best thing about drekos is that they can basically be put into any base without any other infrastructure except maybe a bit of dirt to feed the mealwood, compared to the polymer press which requires constant supply of petroleum and the ability to keep it cool which is way more work.
I like the Dreckos for Spaced Out my starting base had no source of Crude Oil . (i'm bad at ONI but The DLC is so much more fun for me than the base game)
Silly as always. Your editing's getting better!
Depends on what you like tbh, PPress is simple, little setup so it can take less space on the map but will have heat issues later and requires oil. While Drecko ranch takes some setup to get going, while it can be time consuming the rewards you get for are useful overall, reed fiber, plastic, egg shells, and meat. In regards to dirt for meelwood, a solution could be either pip wild plant mealwood or pip ranching for sustainable dirt.
Ill say to each their own tbh. Both have pros and cons.
Dont forget Phosphorite for your farms!
Dreckos hatch at a fixed temperature, 62.5C for regular 42.5C for glossy (the midpoint of their comfort range) and and consist of 400kg of genetic ooze. That is a massive amount of heat that will stifle your plants as the drecko comes to room temperature. They don't generate heat, they're born hot. I've been told (haven't verified this) that their body temperature resets when they reach adulthood for even more temperature. (someone correct me if I'm wrong about that). For me, dreckos are the clear winner since I need the phosphorite for fertilizer production.
Glossy Dreckos are great. And you don't even need a complicated room setup. Just make the room airtight at the top, pump in enough hydrogen to saturate the ceiling airspace and then maintain oxygen pressure to stop the hydrogen leaking (and if it does leak, oh well its only hydrogen) - or you can just place the Drecko ranch at the top of the base and let physics sort it out. Put in a handful of mealwood plants, a grooming and shearing station and you're done (though it will take a while to start producing a lot). So long as you assign a rancher or two and keep the room reasonably temperate it'll require no further input from you and you'll get plastic and fibre trickling in as you sort out your long term oxygen and water situation.
I also prefer drekos, but if i have to use the polymer press i avoid using gold amalgam for it. Its a trap. You say "125C is high anyway, i dont want it to reach that much, so i wont make it out of steel, i will just keep it lower" and you make it out of gold, but in this case gold is not a good material, not because of the overheat temperature but because of its thermal capacity and conductivity. They are the reason the building gets really hot. Gold has the lowest capacity, so that heat energy that is generated inside the building rises its temperature really fast. Any other metal have about 3 times more the capacity, so it raises its temperature 3 times slower. On top, gold has bad thermal conductivity, so the two things make it really hard to cool down.
Ideally i would make it out of steel, purely because it has better capacity and vastly better conductivity than gold amalgam. If i still dont have steel for some reason or it is very scarse, aluminium ore would be the second best option, copper, cobalt and iron ore are relatively the same for third option. (Im excluding the more "exotic" ores from the list)
If its made out of steel, you can cool it down pretty easily. Like on this video it was made out of gold it was sitting on top the cooling and it was almost 60C. If it was made out of steel im sure it would be just a few degrees warmer than the coolant itself.
Dreckos have high body temperature, so you should check on the temperature of the mealwood they are eating because they warm-up the area
Yeah you need a little cooling but one wheezewort is planty.
@3:30 the high temperature is because of the Dreckos themselves. Glossy Dreckos hatch from their eggs at ~42°C, regular Dreckos even at ~62°C. That's why we need cooling for the mealwood :)
Btw. what is the best way to create/get dirt? Best as in: Infinite/renewable/sustainable to support a Drecko-Ranch for thousands of cycles?
I honestly haven't ran a base where I really needed that much dirt, so I am not totally sure. I have heard people talk about boiling polluted water, running a naturally-planted pip ranch, or baking algae into dirt, but they all seem incredibly impractical. I don't think some things are meant to run for that long without jumping through some crazy hoops.
If it's just about keeping regular Dreckos alive, a balm Lilly based terrarium for them could run infinitely cause balm lillies don't need any resources to grow in a farm tile.
Best way to get dirt is arbor tree farming. 70 kg pwater and 10 kg dirt per cycle, but every harvest if assembled and grown correctly is 1500 lumber every 4.5 cycles, lumber converts to ethanol, polluted dirt and carbon dioxide in ethanol distillery at 50% ethanol, 33% polluted dirt and 17% carbon dioxide. Compost that polluted dirt. So you spend 45-50 dirt to get 500 dirt every 4.5 cycles PER TREE and ethanol for petroleum generators to run the whole setup. Needs some water input as the polluted water from the petrolium generators isn't enough to feed the arbor trees.
when drecko born, they are at 60+ C. that's where the hot is coming. they get quickly temperature from around, that's why a single wheez is enough. I never use press...
This is crazy I was just thinking abt leaving a comment on your last video to ask abt this exactly
Edit: a let’s build of the glossy drecko set up would be awesome
Glossy win by a mile. You get 3 things from them. You get 1 thing from the press plus the headache of all that heat. It's not even close. I've not built a press in years. They are a waste of time. You dupes are doing nothing most of the time anyway if you automate. So, dupe time is the silliest things people say. Dupes have nothing but time.
With the introduction of nectar, i wonder how it would place in terms of plastic production?
I think it's better than either option tbh, partly because the nectar is extremely cold when it's harvested and has very good heat capacity, so you can cool with it before you turn it into plastic.
Take into account the amount of plastic you need for the statue and automate to stop when you reach it.
I think a P Boiler in combination with a plastic press is better than dreco just because that is a set and forget kind of process whereas the dreco requires setup and duplicant action
Polymer presses are easily better late game but glossy dreckos are insane on oil low maps on Space Out!. In my walkthrough as a new play I accidently starved me dreckos because I didnt know their diet but still got tons of plastic that carried me for a while until I reached the Oil Planet. Now that I have a boiler, an industrial brick and too much petroleum to even do stuff with, polymer presses just get stuff down simpler.
Are polymer presses even worth it? I started glossy drecko farming pretty early on and now I have more plastic that I know what to do with lmao
@@juanfernando4686 I honestly dont bother with the dreckos bc I'd rather trade out 2 petroleum generators for 3 polymer presses in my double petroleum boiler. In that situation I am going power postive and water even. I dont want to use up my dirt supplies on the mealwood bc at the moment making new dirt is REALLY slow for me.
I never thought to put a mechanized door under a building that doesn't have automation. It seems so obvious now that I've seen it. >.
Hey magnet! Can you make a video on ranching glossy dreckos?
I liked the intro 😂
Always make a glossy drecko farm don’t think I use a press in a long time
To me, polymer press still better because the dirt you have to use for the mealworms. By mid to late game you can deal with heat and there is more than enough crude oil for anything. I value more the dirt.
Yeah, but, counterpoint, pips and pacus are super easy to ranch for dirt.
Hey Magnet, love your vids. learning a lot with each. i am looking for a ranching mage tutorial (from your older series) but i couldnt find one. do you have one?
Sorry, what kind of ranching tutorial? I have one that is about the basics but it's not for a specific type of critter.
@@Magnet_MD sorry i cant even spell properly, i meant it was supposed to say "Ranching mega tutorial" but you answered anyway :D i know you have the basic one. i wanted to know how to ranch dreckos and since your vids are awesome i looked if you had one.
Ah, I don't have one specifically for that, but I will be starting a Drecko ranch in my Spaced Out playthrough in the next few days!
Video's posted for it :)
@@Magnet_MD awesome, thank you :)
Transit tubes aren't needed. I never much ever build them and have zero trouble with my Dupes getting places. If you are in the DLC and the small planets they aren't worth anything, being they are the size of postage stamps. They only thing you really need plastic for is high pressure vents, and turbines. One glossy is all you'd ever really need. One ranch gives you hundreds of tons you'll never use.
Does anyone know how to make your dupes not suffocate on cycle 30
I've got videos about it! Check out my help videos, there's one about running out of algae, which I'd guess is what's happening?
Magnet, are you interested in a collab? I have a fun idea but I need another youtuber that plays ONI
Glossy dreckos are superior with the added bonuses.
It's been so long man. Thought you got burned out and left oni
I was still playing, just not regularly and didn't have enough time to make videos for it. Stuff is in better order now so I can keep it up!
I prefer dreckos because they're cute
This is the right answer!
=POLYMER PRESS IS *EASY* ...?????? ((HYSTERICAL MANIACAL LAUGH)) ........FIRST OF *_ALL_* , IT'S ABOUT _WHERE TO GET 3000g/s WATER_ ,THEN _OIL WELL NATURAL GAS_ SO U'LL NEED *_THERMIUM_* OR DIFFICULT COOLING SETUP, THEN _PETROLEUM BOILER_
........IT IS THE *_WORST_* POSSIBLE MAYBE EASIER FOR A *BIT* IF RANCH MOLTEN SLICKSTERS, OF COURSE