CavFab Crossover Steering Install
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2017
- In this video I will show you how to install Cavfab's One Ton Crossover steering with Heim Joints, on the front axle of your Jeep. This install is done on a Dana 30 front axle and is the same process among various jeep models. If you have any other questions please comment below, I would be happy to help.
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Best XJ tutorials on the web. Great work.
Easy straight to the point. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼👌🏼
Awesome very nice video. I’ve been thinking about getting this. Very nice xj.
Thank you for your kindness of sharing you experience with us
And please share the links for the accessories you use for example the 5/8” apparatus you used to make the hole bigger
The description is updated with the 5/8" reamer bit link.
Fine thread top lock bolts are a bad idea if you plan to work on the steering in the future. Basically makes the bolt a one time use. Use coarse thread. Shank the bolt properly and torque the bolt properly.
Will I have clearance issues with 17” jk rims on a 95xj with the 5 on 4.5 to 5 on 5 adapter?
I don't like how they just have washers for the tie rod joints. So I ended up getting 5/8" cone spacer .438" thick for top and bottom heim joints and they fit perfectly rock solid on both sides and not leaving too little or too much bolt threads. They're only like $1.60 a piece.
Where did you get these cone spacers?
Awesome xj
Thanks, it looks a lot different now since I filmed this earlier this year.
Just some thinkin on this end , you think it would be a good idea to drill holes on bolt ends and install cotter pins so that nuts won't rattle off ?????????
There's no need for that since these are locking nuts and it would't work without castle nuts.
Big fan of the channel for a while now, How has the CavFab steering held up for you, have you any issues and do you recommend it for a daily driver?
My jeep was a daily driver but the steering olds up just fine and it's been a few years since I've had it on with no issues just got to keep the heims lubed up with dry lube spray or they squeak
What are the advantages/disadvantages of putting the drag link over/under the pitman arm? In the middle of installing my kit and don’t understand what the difference in placement would do
Only advantages are to match the angle of the track bar to avoid getting bump steer. So on top is a steeper angle and bottom is not.
I'm on my second set of heims in 8 months and I dont daily mine, I'm getting death wobble now because my drag link won't stay turned out it keeps dropping down. Do I need to turn the hiems in opposite directions to keep it from dropping down or how did you get yours to stay turned out. Both my drag link and tie rod easily move up and down after tightening everything up
Locktite everything, and use blue on the locknuts for the heims. That locknut is either not getting tightened enough against the drag link bar to lock the heim out properly or is rattling loose.
Would you need to use the red lock tight when tightening up at 8:34? Because what if you need to readjust your steering wheel? You’d have to untighten with the red lock applied?
Locktite is optional for this actually since the hardware comes with locking nuts which bite onto the threads. I would suggest blue locktite if you wanted extra piece of mind.
Doing this....this week
I was thinking about running this same kit on my TJ. Was just wondering what size wheel are you running? I’m concerned that the heim joints might hit my wheel on the right side. I’m running a 15x10 aluminum wheel.
I'm running 15x8 with 3.75" backspacing. I know that the stock jeep wheels which were 15x7 will come in contact with the wheel.
Next video can be how to correct the Trac bar angle so you can safely drive your Jeep and keep it in your lane .
Installed mine, wound up with awful death wobble, might be that the joint at the pitman arm was mounted under. I'm at stock height at present, and will try mounting above the pitman arm.
If you got death wobble and it was installed properly then you got problems elsewhere. The angle of the drag will not cause death wobble but rather bump steering if it is not parallel with the track bar.
@@OutJeeping Turned out to be an alignment(or lack there of) issue. Local Firestone hooked me. Follow up issue:
While I save for wheels and a lift, I'm running stock wheels and no lift, which forced me to use 1.25in wheel spacers when I installed the CavFab linkage.
@@chriskincade88 I installed the BK Fabworks , almost same thing and went to get an alignment , they said to get Adjustable Ball Joints ,,,,to get proper alignment.
What wheel width and backspacing needed for the bolts clearance, looks like the bnb passenger bolt is to close to rim ?
I believe you need a minimum of 3.75 or so backspacing, or wheel spacers. I have 15 x 8" 3.75 backspacing steel wheels that clear it's fine. But a factory 15x7 wheel that came on Jeeps will come in contact with it.
i have the same exact set up and i can not keep the tie rod up and the high clearance bends on the whole tie rod just keeps dropping and everything is tight. it also changes my toe and steering wheel position. suggestions on what’s going on? 6.5” long arm from rough country.
You will need to take on and off the drag link ends and tie rod ends to thread in or out to be able to adjust the toe and steering wheel. The heim joint ends need to be cocked opposite of each other to keep the linkage pointing forward with the bends to prevent it from falling down.
Hey I just installed this kit today and I’m not sure if it’s normal for the drag link and the bar that goes knuckle to knuckle to have movement in it? I tightened everything it seems to move up and down
You can rotate the heim joints on either end of the tie rod and drag link but loosening and tightening up the locking nut. This will offset the heims and reduce the amount of up and down slop.
where did you get the cherokee decals that are on your quarter panels ?
I got them off eBay for around $20.
Question: I’ve watched this video as well as the ZJ steering conversion video for an XJ, besides the obvious fact that CavFab is more expensive, which is better in your opinion? I won’t be doing any major off-roading, however, I don’t mind spending extra to do it right the first time, Thanks!
If you are not doing too much off-roading and it's mostly a daily driver, i would defiantly go with the ZJ steering conversion. I am not a big fan of these crossover steering kits with heim joints after driving with them for a few years, they squeak, rattle on bumps, harder to adjust, and non-greasable. Keeping a factory style steering like the ZJ will be better in the long run.
Would you recommend the ZJ conversion for a XJ with a 5-6 inch lift?@@OutJeeping
Can u put the drag link in the bottom instead of the tie rod? I think this would help prevent bump steer
There are some kits that allow you to do so. It would need to have specific bends to clear each other otherwise they would make contact.
I just installed on my Xj but when i hit a bump on the road the steering bars make a knocking noise, it exit an fine adjustment to avoid this noise?
You will need to offset the heim joints on either end of the tierod and drag link with the locking nuts to get rid of the play in the links.
So check this. I got death wobble like a mofo. All my measurements are exact. Quadruple checked. But it’s bad when I hit a bump. When the previous kit was perfect. I installed both so I hope I didn’t mess it up. Is the stabilizer enough to prevent it. Or is going to be more of a bandaid and it still happen. Any solution or specific point I should look at? Tips please
The stabilizer will cover it up. The primary cause of death wobble is either worn out track bushings/ connection points or upper/lower control arm connection bushings/connection point. Unbalanced wheels or bad tierod ends could cause things to set in motion for death wobble to occur.
Good looks. I’ll start with stabilizer and then redo bushings as well. Thanks and nice build so far. Love watching others progress.
My drag link and tie rod swing even when I adjust the bends facing out. Help!
Offset the heims on either end of the link then tighten them down so it points out forward and doesn't fall down.
Help. 1998 xj sport upcountry. AW4 trans shifting issues. Replaced all solenoids. Worked about 3 weeks. Same issue. TPS code. Changed it. Still hangs in gear, and sometimes doesnt want 3rd and overdrive. Sometimes it does.
What kind of grease or lubricant would you recommend to use for the joints cause I guessing you'll need it cause the old stock steering needed it
I spray them with dry lube every once in a while
@@OutJeeping thanks
White lithium wd40 spray works excellent as well
Lmao the toss into the lawn
I'm trying to determine what kit ima get. I have a 2000xj with 5 in Rubicon Express lift that's fully adjustable by stock track bar mount locations. How did this kit perform over the years. I am worried about over flexing the ball joint type ends. Are the heim joints better?
Heims are definitely better for extreme articulation but not so much for daily driving. They will wear out faster, squeak and might need adjusting a lot to keep the tie rod from bouncing on bumps. For me I am sticking with grease-able ball-joint style ends on future builds, they do make one-ton steering with ball-joint ends as well.
I ended up getting the trailforged crossover steering kit
Did you get the high clearance model? And did you notice any difference without the steering stabilizer? Love the channel!
If steering is working like it should, you don't need a steering stabilizer
My 4.5 lift kit is on it's way. I like this setup but I am concerned that like you say the bolt will come loose and mess up either a steering knuckle (bad) or a pitman arm (not as bad) I am thinking I should at least replace the old setup with something. Is there any other setup that gets rid of the Y factor and keeps an easy way of alignment? I see at this time this setup is on sale for $219.99.
The nuts shouldn't back off as long as they are properly tighten. The kits come with lock nuts that have a tight thread on them so they are pretty tight on there, probably 4x tighter than a nylon lock nut. As far as other kits, crossover steering style there are other companies that also offer it but they look exacly the same. But there are other kits out there that are 1 ton setups but are the Y setup, such as JCR Offroad and RuffStuff. www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/R2237.html www.jcroffroad.com/product/STR/1TS-UTK.html
@@OutJeeping Looks like the CavFab is the better deal for the money. Did you have a drop pitman arm? Thanks for replying!
@@1crazynordlander I do have the drop arm but it might not have been the best choice because I have bump steer so I need take a look and figure out the best angle to fix it.
@@OutJeeping I talked to Quadratec and they said if you buy a tie rod setup don't change the pitman arm out. He said the pitman arm is the budget way out of having to buy a tie rod setup like yours. I think I am going to hold off until summer and get a tie rod kit like yours. I see CavFab has a straight one also. I am also looking at the Rusty's offroad Y conversion tie rod kit.
@@OutJeeping Thanks for your help!
Was is problematic on the road at all not having a steering stabilizer installed?
Nope, only thing I would watch for is bump steer so try to get the drag and track bar as parallel as possible.
What size heims spacers and bolt for passenger side?
5/8"
I order the same kit and only came with three washers and they stated that that's all it takes I noticed that you added washer in between everything was that your choice of doing?
Yeah I added washers, I like to have them spaced a pit instead of having the heim joints right on the knuckle.
@@OutJeeping I see. What's weird is that I asked one of there representatives , and like I said.they said only 3, but in their instructions it also says to use all the washers u also used. Anyways thanks for your reply.
Did you daily drive this setup? Was it more clunky and sloppy than the stock setup with those heims?
I do, it's not clunky as long as the heims are offset from each other on either end so the drag and tie rod don't bounce around on bumps.
Did you ever install an ota track bar on or did you use the rubicon trackbar?? If u did install a ota trackbar how come?? I'm about to but by my crossover from cabfav
I ran the Rubicon Express track bar about a couple years after I installed the steering kit. Later on I upgraded to over the axle track bar system to help my drag link and track bar become parallel to each other to prevent my bump steer issue.
@@OutJeeping i appreciate the feed back.
How does this perform on the highway? Any death wobble or anything?
All my other front end components were in great shape so I did not have DW, just a slight bump steer.
Do I need to install the steering stabalizer??
Not necessarily, if everything else in the suspension is tight you shouldn't need one. On the other hand you can always add one, there are kits available for them to be added.
Isn't the tie rod supposes to be above the knuckle and the drag link crosses over?
On other kits it can be done like that like the Iron Rock Offroad kit. This one is not an over the knuckle kit.
So with this setup I don’t need the steering stabilizer?
It's optional, I didn't need it for my application. Your suspension setup may be different though.
Hey man how has your tires been wearing at the length you put it at? Im thinking about putting mine at that same length..
jay vee Mine are wearing fine but don't go off my measurement. Each jeep is slightly different so you'll have to measure what it was previously or get it aligned properly.
OutJeeping hey man so installed this kit and the jeep wanders all over the road. Do you know what could be causing this?
how's this holding up? Also did you just use stock track bar placement?
Holding up just fine, I've been using a dry lube spray for the heims to prevent wear and squeaking. I also replaced my track bar with the Rubicon Express track bar setup.
OutJeeping did you have to weld anything to make the trackbar connect?
Jaeke Pilcher no you don’t weld anything to install the track bar, should just bolt on
Hey man, I'm excited to install my own CavFab steering once mine comes in mail!
Have you had problems running this without a steering stabilizer since the install? Mine will be going on my daily, and I'm slightly worried about that.
Erik Sandstrom what was your outcome. It’s been like a year so I wanted to know
Good day, please tell me what bridges is better to put the cherokee on 39 tires?
I am unsure what you are trying to ask when you say "bridges", do you mean axles?
There are" bridges " dana 30, dana 35, dana 44, Chrysler 8.25, which is better???
@@user-zk9md1go1i There must be some translation issue with the word axle, but for 39" tires I wouldn't use any of the factory axles as they will break with that amount of stress. With that big of tires I would recommend one tons or Wrangler Rubicon Dana 44's front and rear which are stronger than the XJ Dana 44.
Hi, how do these bars behave in the mud?
Haven't had any issues really. I just spray dry lube on the heim joints after I wash the Jeep.
I've got the CavFab Crossover steering but can't find a friggin' 5/8" tapered drill bit. Got a good source for one?
Richard Serrano got mine on amazon
I got a $40 one on amazon. You want to get a reamer and not a drill bit for this job.
Zorro tool, msc, mc master carr
It's actually a reverse twist tapered team.
What size tires are you runming?
33"
Great parts, but don't expect to get them or competent customer service anytime soon.
I ordered a steering kit and the website stated it usually ships in 7-10 days. On the 10th day, a shipping label was created, but I came to find out my box would still be sitting around for weeks. I had sent three emails asking about my order and finally heard back on the third one. I was told my order was held back because of chips in the powder coat. Since the powder coat was apparently faulty on the last batch, I asked if we could just sand blast my kit and not re-coat it. I was told that was fine and my bare metal kit would ship out in the next two days, nothing happened for the rest of the week. I called back on Monday to see what was going on and was told "I'm not sure what happened". They assured me yet again that my kit would ship out in the next few days. I waited another week before I called back. I was told my kit shipped yesterday, but the funny thing is that the UPS tracking didn't show it was dropped off until after I had called that day...
I finally received my kit over a month after I ordered it. It was not bare metal as agreed to over the phone, but a black powder coat that was never discussed with me, and there were chips in this coat as well. When I asked the owner about it, he gave me the runaround yet again. CavFab should know that they shouldn't treat their customers this way.
Ian Culbertson That's to be expected though with a small crew and a lot of product demand. They get emails about customers complaining about they're shipping speeds all the time. It's to be expected I guess expecially with the good price. Plus with a complication in the production it slows things down and may not be able to listen to all of the customers demands. Mine came in 3 weeks. Doesn't bother me too much as long as I know it's American made and doesn't break the bank.
OutJeeping
I still don't believe service that poor should be acceptable with any size crew, but to each their own. I will say they are quality parts.
I totally agree... I ordered my XJ steering kit from CavFab 27 days ago, my order still shows as "processing". Next week I'm stopping payment with credit card company. The f$%ked up part is that I already reamed my pitman arm and spindles to 5/8...
MrPica1971 wow that is screwed up man. Sorry to hear that. I'd leave them a shitty review on their Facebook and website but I wouldn't type anything for your review on their website because they censored mine!!
Do this take away death wobble ?
If your death wobble is from a bad tierod end then yes, otherwise no.
How long did it take to ream out the holes? How many bits did you go through?
Less than a minute per side, still have the same reamer I initially bought and I've used it to install 4 other crossover steering kits on cherokees. Just gotta make sure to use enough lube.
@@OutJeeping so how long was the pitman arm reaming? 10 minutes?
Thinking about ordering me this kit but I'm gonna be running stock track bar for a while. How bad is the bump steer? Also did you upgrade it by now? What set up did you go with? ota?
It has some bump steer at the 5.5" lift I'm running so I did upgrade to Trail Logic industries OTA Track Bar System ruclips.net/video/2VBekdav7IE/видео.html
I bought kit and i can not get bars to tighten. How do u get the bar from the pitman arm to knuckle to not just flop around im stummped can anybody help
derrick chilton Tighten the locking nut on each side and have the him joints facing down on one side and up on the other. This way there should be very little to no play in the bar moving up and down.
@@OutJeeping thanks bro! I just installed this kit and was doing the same thing, some people tell me it’s normal for it to be loose like that cause of the heim joints but I don’t find it normal at all.
@@OutJeeping what do you mean by facing up and down? Is there a top and bottom to the heim or do you mean putting one over the knuckle and one under?
Do not use steering bumpers?
At high speed is not shaking?
Steering dampeners usually cover up an issue that's in the suspension/steering. If the jeep doesnt have and issues up front its sometimes not necessary
@@OutJeeping ok thx ;)
I have a jeep Grand Cherokee 1995 I also want to buy such steering traction, in Russia it's all expensive,,, I made an elevator my jeep and I constantly catches shihi on not smooth roads
Are you running regular ball joint's or did you install adjustable ball joints ????
Currently just regular joints
I took mine in to get an alignment and they said I had to get adjustable Ball Joints to get accurate alignment .
Initial front left toe 1.20 deg , final .05
Initial front R/toe 1.35 deg , final.05
Thanx
@@FreAkLeFtY555 Are you referring to the joints on the tie rod or normal balljoints on the knuckles? Because normal balljoints won't affect toe at all.
Will this fit a stock xj
It will not fit with factory offset wheels.
I'm interested in buying. Do you have for sale? I'm in Mexico
I don't sell these steering systems. Check out cavfav.com
Do you not need a steering stabilizer
Is it required, no. Can you add one if you want the steering to cushion a little more, yes.
Does it come with the hardware?
Yup comes with all the hardware.
What front bumper Is that?
Goliath Offroad Swamper bumper, I don't think they make this style anymore unfortunately.
do you trassh the damper shock
and what about the drag link and track bar has to be parrellel??
does that not apply here??
It's optional to use a steering damper. If everything else in the front end is nice and tight you may not need it like in my case. But CavFab and other companies offer a clap setup to attach the damper to the one ton steering. But yes ideally you want the drag link and track bar parallel from end point to end point to eliminate bump steer.
do you still get on IF
If you are referring to "IF" as interstate freeway, then yes, haven't had any issues.
Do you use your xj as your daily? Is there much binding noise from the metal on metal heims?
Michael Wilson Yeah it's my daily. Every once and a while I put some wd40 on the heims if they get squeaky. Never any binding.
Use PB Blaster. Much better then WD for lubrication. I only use WD for water displacement
@@fishhead6349 Theres a controlled study video comparing different lubes on youtube and WD40 came out on top PB Blaster came in second. Any of the lubes are oil base and will work for water issues.
At the beginning of the video when your setting ur stands under the jeep, what is that cross bar under the jeep???
That would be a Rubicon Express track bar bracket brace.
Nope, the silver bar above the track bar at 3:53
Thank u
how l9ng have you run this kit for?
About a year now and have no issues.
Do you have an Email?
I put one of these kits on my 91, it's terrible. My truck drives like a pig. I hate it.
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I just installed this kit and it tends to wonder over the road does yours do this?
Alex Upperman hey man did you ever fix this problem? Mines doing the exact same thing as yours..
Same on mine, seems like theirs tie rod roll, when I’m steering jeeps wonders. I was checking out this product from ruff stuff they call “the cure” it’s supposed to fix the problem but can’t seem to figure out where to put the rubber washer on this system.
You either have your wheels toed too far out, or you have loose/worn components that need to be tightened or replaced.