I don't think dimming the headlights on the mirror is a good excuse for not having a rear view mirror. Dimming mirrors are a thing. My 2009 car has it and works decently well
I think the biggest concern I have is that technology fails. How do you look behind you if your tech fails? Also it cracks me up that they're naming them like phones. regular pro and max? really?
Or that if you load station wagon full, stuff will block your rear view mirror. So basically no issue at all to anybody who has ever own station wagon (like Volvo V60, V90 or such).
Aptera will do the same thing as the Polestar 4 which is necessary on the full solar package since the trunk in that trim is covered by solar panels and thus isn't transparent.
As someone with a rear view camera mirror, it’s great and I use it a lot. But, I love having the option of having a back window and still use it in conjunction with the mirror. At night, I rather use the mirror and daytime I prefer using the camera.
Driving Range Rover Evoque 2020 with same tech for 3 years, and honestly for 3 years I switched for real mirror like 2 or 3 times, otherwise I use camera. It's so good, bigger angle of view and at night it's amazing.
What I don't understand is, without a rear glass but with the digital mirror which uses a camera for the Polestar 4, what happens when the camera lens is wet or dirty during rain or snow? That camera will be useless which means the digital rear view mirror is also useless. Am I wrong in thinking this?
I had a solution for high beams fusing my retinas via rearview mirrors in the 1980's - very simple, not hard to do. Curious how well the camera works in heavy rain or, for my part of the world, snow - does it have a mini wiper blade? Blindspot maintenance is an area I wish they would focus on more to be honest.
8:10 I'm sure the camera can dim highlights but cameras these days still have much worse dynamic range then human eyes even when using computational photography, let alone real time imagery from the commodity grade sensors that this will be using, so you won't be able to see anything other than the dimmed high beams. Meanwhile, a conventional prism will be less nice but you'll at least be able to see other cars' dimmer headlights and such.
@@GeometryDashCyber7 Cool but that's irrelevant to dynamic range, and human eyes continue to have far superior dynamic range than even the best camera sensors (dynamic range referring to the ability to see detail in the darkest and brightest parts of an image, human eyes have an effective dynamic range of 20 stops or so to put it in photography terms, while Sony's best sensors hit 15 or so - and I doubt this car is sticking an a7Siii out the back).
Wait till you learn about every modern cargo van using rear cameras instead of mirrors for the last +5 years. You might’ve heard of these small company’s like Amazon/Fedex/UPS.
@@bosstowndynamics5488But eyes are not electronic devices. If you put a flashlight in my face when I wake up.... I'm blind for the next 30 seconds. A sensor can however bring the exposure down, without being triggered. Some specialty sensors have huge dynamic range, even in tiny size. But when your rear camera is wet or dirty, it's gonna be bad.
@@plastiquemaraj8839 That really doesn’t help much at all in this situation. Having to constantly flick the switch and not being able to see out the back when it is flipped. In this situation that is annoying, inconvenient, and dangerous. Think about what you’re talking about before you speak.
So let me get this straight. Companies are putting massive panes of glass over people's heads in the vehicles that offer no usefulness other than "I can see the sky while driving"... but the piece of glass (rear window) that is actually useful for seeing out the back of your vehicle is what Polestar wants to remove. This sounds like such a great idea. I wonder how much they will charge people to bring their Polestar 4s in for rear camera repair since an issue with the rear camera means absolutely no rear view at all. This is a moment where the designers did the whole "focused so much on what they COULD do, and didn't think about what they SHOULD do". This is dumb.
I haven’t used a car with mirror cameras or in fact any cameras, but isn’t a major drawback with them that there’s no depth whatsoever? I can’t imagine a rear view camera would be particularly nice but perhaps I’m just behind on tech. People said the touch screens wouldn’t catch on.
A glass window that’s just basically sand vs a high tech camera & high definition screen + all the software. Sure sounds like they saved a lot of money
So no rear windows for no reason but just .. design? This trying to be different just to be different, with no regards to the end user.... is getting ridiculous.
I feel like the car and phone strategy is just begging or validating Apple to step into the game. Total side note: does anybody else think Polestar might be a great acquisition for Apple? It could apply a similar strategy as it did with Beats. Yes? No? Why or why not? (As of this post, Polestar has a market cap of $4.3B)
No. Polestar is a branch of Volvo. So unless Apple were to buy Volvo, just buying Polestar doesn't make sense. Plus, both of them leverage funding from Geely Holding that finances a lot of what both companies do.
How can Marques not know about Polestar phone? What? Now you know. Xiaomi got phone with soon to be EV sedan, Polestar has ev with phone soon. New trend here! Lets see if Sony has ev coming out. Would it include a phone too⚡☎️🚗
cars and airplanes could save fuel by getting rid of all the windows, just having redundant, high fps cameras that feed to a screen where the window would be. they then could have some safety mechanism that would guarantee an easy access way out of the car in case of an emergency.
That's the stupidest idea I've read in a while, congrats. Not sure how exactly you're imagining that to work, the perspective and field of view won't be the same no matter where you place the camera. Also looking through a window isn't like looking at a 2d plane, it'll have to follow your eyes and respond by changing the viewing angle (what about more that 1 person looking at the screen?). And that's before we get to things like eye strain, fps, lag, resolution and added complexity/unreliability. Also seeing the face of whoever is driving is really important if you wanna see if they're paying attention, are they looking at you etc.
Polestar discussion starts at 6:16
As somebody with an astigmatism that drives at night regularly I am all for having cameras and added tech instead of rear windows and side mirrors.
I don't think dimming the headlights on the mirror is a good excuse for not having a rear view mirror.
Dimming mirrors are a thing. My 2009 car has it and works decently well
I think it's more for added backseat passenger comfort without having to extend the vehicle further to be more aerodynamic.
I think the biggest concern I have is that technology fails. How do you look behind you if your tech fails? Also it cracks me up that they're naming them like phones. regular pro and max? really?
How do you think vans and trucks look back?
Never considered that almost every cargo van has rear camera’s and no rear windows?
Or that if you load station wagon full, stuff will block your rear view mirror. So basically no issue at all to anybody who has ever own station wagon (like Volvo V60, V90 or such).
They will send it to the landfills together with all the electric scooter startups.
It's an electric car, if the tech fails you probably can't go anywhere anyway...
Aptera will do the same thing as the Polestar 4 which is necessary on the full solar package since the trunk in that trim is covered by solar panels and thus isn't transparent.
As someone with a rear view camera mirror, it’s great and I use it a lot. But, I love having the option of having a back window and still use it in conjunction with the mirror. At night, I rather use the mirror and daytime I prefer using the camera.
0:16 WAIT A MINUTE this actually looks hot!
the missing window is the san francisco special edition. To avoid a robbery of stuff in the trunk at a traffic light. 👍
Driving Range Rover Evoque 2020 with same tech for 3 years, and honestly for 3 years I switched for real mirror like 2 or 3 times, otherwise I use camera. It's so good, bigger angle of view and at night it's amazing.
It looks like Xiaomi told Chat GPT to mix all these brands and make a new Car …
I want you to look at work vans such as GMC and Ford, not all have back windows.😂
Were you watching Hamilton on Sunday 26th Nov. I thought I saw you there?
What I don't understand is, without a rear glass but with the digital mirror which uses a camera for the
Polestar 4, what happens when the camera lens is wet or dirty during rain or snow? That camera will be useless which means the digital rear view mirror is also useless. Am I wrong in thinking this?
Will it have ads....
I had a solution for high beams fusing my retinas via rearview mirrors in the 1980's - very simple, not hard to do. Curious how well the camera works in heavy rain or, for my part of the world, snow - does it have a mini wiper blade? Blindspot maintenance is an area I wish they would focus on more to be honest.
8:10 I'm sure the camera can dim highlights but cameras these days still have much worse dynamic range then human eyes even when using computational photography, let alone real time imagery from the commodity grade sensors that this will be using, so you won't be able to see anything other than the dimmed high beams. Meanwhile, a conventional prism will be less nice but you'll at least be able to see other cars' dimmer headlights and such.
nga your eyes are not a wide angle lens
@@GeometryDashCyber7 Cool but that's irrelevant to dynamic range, and human eyes continue to have far superior dynamic range than even the best camera sensors (dynamic range referring to the ability to see detail in the darkest and brightest parts of an image, human eyes have an effective dynamic range of 20 stops or so to put it in photography terms, while Sony's best sensors hit 15 or so - and I doubt this car is sticking an a7Siii out the back).
Wait till you learn about every modern cargo van using rear cameras instead of mirrors for the last +5 years. You might’ve heard of these small company’s like Amazon/Fedex/UPS.
@@_purge9488 Almost as if a camera is better than nothing in a big van full of cargo, but not as good as eyes when your back seat is empty...
@@bosstowndynamics5488But eyes are not electronic devices. If you put a flashlight in my face when I wake up.... I'm blind for the next 30 seconds. A sensor can however bring the exposure down, without being triggered. Some specialty sensors have huge dynamic range, even in tiny size. But when your rear camera is wet or dirty, it's gonna be bad.
“I do appreciate a good camera feed.”
As a parent who drives 2 toddlers. Not having a rear mirror to see into my own car and monitor my kids is a huge no.
You know there is a rear mirror right? It’s a mirror with a switch… u can switch between mirror and screen… Know what u r talking about before u speak
@@plastiquemaraj8839 That really doesn’t help much at all in this situation. Having to constantly flick the switch and not being able to see out the back when it is flipped. In this situation that is annoying, inconvenient, and dangerous. Think about what you’re talking about before you speak.
The back looks like an Alpine
that ending was 🔥🔥
VW has thrown in the "Pro" badging in their iD products
So let me get this straight. Companies are putting massive panes of glass over people's heads in the vehicles that offer no usefulness other than "I can see the sky while driving"... but the piece of glass (rear window) that is actually useful for seeing out the back of your vehicle is what Polestar wants to remove. This sounds like such a great idea. I wonder how much they will charge people to bring their Polestar 4s in for rear camera repair since an issue with the rear camera means absolutely no rear view at all. This is a moment where the designers did the whole "focused so much on what they COULD do, and didn't think about what they SHOULD do". This is dumb.
When was the last time you had a digital camera module fail?
Man I love these clips!
The Stark Varg is already doing this today, controller/phone with oem Android rom.
Nissan made the XTerra Pro-4X (since discontinued)
I haven’t used a car with mirror cameras or in fact any cameras, but isn’t a major drawback with them that there’s no depth whatsoever?
I can’t imagine a rear view camera would be particularly nice but perhaps I’m just behind on tech. People said the touch screens wouldn’t catch on.
New buses in London use camera wing mirrors and work perfectly fine.
@@Peter-mj6lz Many cars have them too. I’d love to test them but the lack of depth is probably something that would take a bit to get used to.
@@CyclingGeoSome people say they prefer them because they are clearer to see out of in the rain apparently
To answer your question because nobody has. Yes the lack of depth perception and changing viewing angles is a problem.
You get used to it, but yes depth is not the same.
They need to use narrow lenses and camera just to see behind
You gotta drive like Max Verstappen to own the max😂
That white pixel in the top corner
Fun fact: For Xiaomi's car, it's a play on words in Chinese / Mandarin: "SU7" is SU "Qi" sounding like "SUV"
No rear window saves quite a lot of cost.
How much is ‘quite a lot’?
And be more structurally sound. Openings, require structurally reinforcement for safety.
@@Drenwickification65 doubloons.
A glass window that’s just basically sand vs a high tech camera & high definition screen + all the software. Sure sounds like they saved a lot of money
MKBHD FTW!!!
work trucks are usually called pro and theres a version of the id4 called the pro
That's 80% Model 3. They right clicked their skin and applied it. 111111 r0807
Honestly I don't see it.
They probably buy the byd seal and resell it as a Xiaomi
Porsche and Aston Martin
For the Xiaomi it looks like Nio’s Ev if it has the bump above windscreen
Until the camera has dirt on it. Or breaks
Neither does the Aptera with the Full Solar package.
7:57 That's why you flip your mirror, duh
Elon didn’t want mirrors on the Tesla…. But good old Uncle Sam put him in his place😂
8:17 LMAOOOOOOOO
1:06 charger
So no rear windows for no reason but just .. design? This trying to be different just to be different, with no regards to the end user.... is getting ridiculous.
The new prius has a digital rear view
It’s a model 3.
I have a VW ID3 Max Pro 😄
I feel like the car and phone strategy is just begging or validating Apple to step into the game. Total side note: does anybody else think Polestar might be a great acquisition for Apple? It could apply a similar strategy as it did with Beats. Yes? No? Why or why not? (As of this post, Polestar has a market cap of $4.3B)
No. Polestar is a branch of Volvo. So unless Apple were to buy Volvo, just buying Polestar doesn't make sense. Plus, both of them leverage funding from Geely Holding that finances a lot of what both companies do.
I appreciate the additional insight. Thank you.
I don't see this happening, but will come back here if so. BTW Polestar stock is low for the taking
How can Marques not know about Polestar phone? What? Now you know. Xiaomi got phone with soon to be EV sedan, Polestar has ev with phone soon. New trend here! Lets see if Sony has ev coming out. Would it include a phone too⚡☎️🚗
Geely is pronounced Ji Lee
Pacific, not Atlantic haha. America shares pacific with asia
You should do a trip to china!
Looks like they copied the Porche Tycan
And when has anyone been a pro max iphone user? But yes it is silly :)
It's going to take massive adoption to make no rear window a thing.
VW ID.4 Pro…
cars and airplanes could save fuel by getting rid of all the windows, just having redundant, high fps cameras that feed to a screen where the window would be. they then could have some safety mechanism that would guarantee an easy access way out of the car in case of an emergency.
That's the stupidest idea I've read in a while, congrats. Not sure how exactly you're imagining that to work, the perspective and field of view won't be the same no matter where you place the camera. Also looking through a window isn't like looking at a 2d plane, it'll have to follow your eyes and respond by changing the viewing angle (what about more that 1 person looking at the screen?). And that's before we get to things like eye strain, fps, lag, resolution and added complexity/unreliability. Also seeing the face of whoever is driving is really important if you wanna see if they're paying attention, are they looking at you etc.
Ohhn (ehhn)yeah
Hi Love
Polestar is owned by the Chinese
Geely is the parent company of both Volvo and Polestar (Volvo CEO oversees development)