I’m surprised too, looking at the wreck. I’m also dismayed at the lack of sleep the pilots were forced to endure. No wonder the Captain didn’t want to get out of a nice warm cockpit to fetch ladders etc during the walk round. What a senseless loss of life! Great video though - I’ve binge watched 3 Greens today and lived every minute of it.
Another great video 😚. An interesting caveat particularly with high aspect ratio wings (the ATR is infamous for it) is when you retract flaps, the angle the leading edge of the wing makes with the oncoming airflow changes a few degrees and this is often enough to have drastic consequences to the performance of iced wings.
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 probably, not something I've ever investigated. Easiest way to think of it is that with flaps out with moderate icing you may get a 15% reduced lift to drag ratio (using arbitrary numbers, not representative of real world conditions) but when you retract the flaps because the ice is now more tilted towards the oncoming airflow the lift drag ratio may reduce 25%. Also stall angle will reduce as well and the onset is much quicker (minimal buffeting before stall). A slower retraction of flaps might just allow the crew time to control the aircraft (and get powrr on) prior to losing control. Despite being an engineer and a commercial pilot I'm still just postulating at this point!
The Russian accent sounds humorous, and out of place. The confusion and screams at the end made me laugh ! Would suggest not putting on accents. Content as usual is great though
It does seem like a lot of the voice overs are purposely made to sound humorous on several of this channels vids. Kind of takes away from the professionalism of the video. Yet still these are some of the best air accident videos on RUclips in my opinion
It’s great to hear another Australian voice behind quality content. Keep up the excellent work. P.S. Seeing your channel being increasingly recommended. YT algo getting it right for once.
I love your content, but man... the 'accents' of the voice actors... very distracting. It may be better if they just spoke in their native accents, regardless of who they are portraying.
Nah, it can't be Atlanta... At 5:30 there is a Canadian flag flying in the background more or less mid screen so it is likely somewhere in Canada. Sure isn't Siberia!
Thoughts? Even though they completely blew the iced up conditions of the plane prior to take off, would reversing the flaps back to the settings at the time of take off and increasing the throttle settings have maybe increased their ability to put it down at a wings level ability 🤔??
Yes if they lowered the nose, increased their throttles and returned the flaps to their previous setting they could have saved the aircraft. Unfortunately they had no idea what the failure was, maybe if they realized it was happening do to icing on the wings than maybe there is a chance they would have saved the aircraft. If only they build up just 15 more knots of airspeed before retracting their flaps they would have never stalled, but again they had no idea there was ice on top of the wing.
Very well made, thoroughly conveyed analysis of a freak accident. The ATRs are well engineered, highly efficient and durable aircrafts, but those efficiencies result in how critical is the respect of the rules, when operating in harsh climate. Here, the icing heavily alters the lift profile of the wings to the point that the craft can become un-flyiable. Thank you...
So the error chain starts at the age of the crew, 27 and 23, two characters who don’t take passenger safety seriously, the walk round says everything about these cowboys. Not de icing when the rest of the ramp is de icing is frankly unbelievable. The decision to de ice lies solely with the aircraft commmander, not ground staff, it is not a shared decision. The final irony is that these two operate in Siberia, and die as a result of typical weather conditions of this part of the world, a tragedy which is avoidable by simply de icing which takes 10 minutes.
Trust me over the years I have checked and trained enough supposedly mature pilots to know it’s nothing to do with age and everything to do with attitude.
I think the most shocking thing about this story is this was almost 20 years after the loss of American Eagle 4184. Most of the rest of the world had taken steps to move the ATR 72's to warmer climates due to just how incredibly susceptible its wing was to icing and and aerodynamic stalls from icing. Yet UTAir was operating them in Siberia? That might be the most Russian thing ever?
I am amazed that 10 people survived this horrible crash.
It looks like it departed into a spin and so the drag from the stalled wing and yaw of the spin probably reduced impact speed.
I’m surprised too, looking at the wreck. I’m also dismayed at the lack of sleep the pilots were forced to endure. No wonder the Captain didn’t want to get out of a nice warm cockpit to fetch ladders etc during the walk round. What a senseless loss of life! Great video though - I’ve binge watched 3 Greens today and lived every minute of it.
3 greens, your content is worth the wait!!! Regards from Brazil!
Ice is truly not something to play around with a plane , a lot of accidents have happened just like this one
Another great video 😚. An interesting caveat particularly with high aspect ratio wings (the ATR is infamous for it) is when you retract flaps, the angle the leading edge of the wing makes with the oncoming airflow changes a few degrees and this is often enough to have drastic consequences to the performance of iced wings.
Interesting. Would a slower more gradual retraction of flaps make any difference in compensating for or moderating this effect?
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 probably, not something I've ever investigated. Easiest way to think of it is that with flaps out with moderate icing you may get a 15% reduced lift to drag ratio (using arbitrary numbers, not representative of real world conditions) but when you retract the flaps because the ice is now more tilted towards the oncoming airflow the lift drag ratio may reduce 25%. Also stall angle will reduce as well and the onset is much quicker (minimal buffeting before stall). A slower retraction of flaps might just allow the crew time to control the aircraft (and get powrr on) prior to losing control. Despite being an engineer and a commercial pilot I'm still just postulating at this point!
It also depends upon how much and in what way the icing had altered the planform of the airfoil.
This channel really deserves to blow up. Excellent content!
Keep commenting for the algorithm!
I just love Siberia in the winter. So crisp so clean so freaking cold.
Plenty of Soviet era dirty secrets, and their remnants, are hidden beneath that clean crisp snow and ice, unfortunately.
Russian Aviation “Industry” 🤣😂🤣 more like “criminal organization”.
I for one loved the accents. It kept me engaged.
The level of incompetence is just amazing.
How tf does people used to winter conditions neglect the fact that ice covers ALL surfaces.
It's Russia
The Russian accent sounds humorous, and out of place. The confusion and screams at the end made me laugh !
Would suggest not putting on accents. Content as usual is great though
I always try to scream without an accent, just to ensure there are no misinterpretations.
I do somewhat agree with your comment, though.
It does seem like a lot of the voice overs are purposely made to sound humorous on several of this channels vids. Kind of takes away from the professionalism of the video. Yet still these are some of the best air accident videos on RUclips in my opinion
It reminds me a bit of Colgan Air Flight 3407
It’s great to hear another Australian voice behind quality content. Keep up the excellent work.
P.S. Seeing your channel being increasingly recommended. YT algo getting it right for once.
Vulnerability of ATR to cold is known widely in 90s
Love this video. You do excellent work.
Well acted, Boris and Natasha. 🤪
I love your content, but man... the 'accents' of the voice actors... very distracting. It may be better if they just spoke in their native accents, regardless of who they are portraying.
Legit that opening was hilarious though, particularly the "screams"
I flew in Kazakhstan. We were wary of ice...
Yeah, you don't need to de-ice an ATR-72, they handle ice just perfectly....
Always deliver great content!! Thank you!
That ATC voice kills me!
That Siberian airport at 13:33 sure looks similar to Atlanta ATL. Looks like a bunch of Delta aircraft there too!
Nah, it can't be Atlanta... At 5:30 there is a Canadian flag flying in the background more or less mid screen so it is likely somewhere in Canada. Sure isn't Siberia!
Thoughts? Even though they completely blew the iced up conditions of the plane prior to take off, would reversing the flaps back to the settings at the time of take off and increasing the throttle settings have maybe increased their ability to put it down at a wings level ability 🤔??
Yes if they lowered the nose, increased their throttles and returned the flaps to their previous setting they could have saved the aircraft. Unfortunately they had no idea what the failure was, maybe if they realized it was happening do to icing on the wings than maybe there is a chance they would have saved the aircraft. If only they build up just 15 more knots of airspeed before retracting their flaps they would have never stalled, but again they had no idea there was ice on top of the wing.
Very well made, thoroughly conveyed analysis of a freak accident.
The ATRs are well engineered, highly efficient and durable aircrafts, but those efficiencies result in how critical is the respect of the rules, when operating in harsh climate. Here, the icing heavily alters the lift profile of the wings to the point that the craft can become un-flyiable.
Thank you...
So the error chain starts at the age of the crew, 27 and 23, two characters who don’t take passenger safety seriously, the walk round says everything about these cowboys. Not de icing when the rest of the ramp is de icing is frankly unbelievable. The decision to de ice lies solely with the aircraft commmander, not ground staff, it is not a shared decision. The final irony is that these two operate in Siberia, and die as a result of typical weather conditions of this part of the world, a tragedy which is avoidable by simply de icing which takes 10 minutes.
The age of the crew. Right. Because there aren’t also examples of much older pilots being careless.
@@ollimoore it’s all about maturity, and your response says it all
@@coyh1493 are you actually going to respond to the point I made?
Trust me over the years I have checked and trained enough supposedly mature pilots to know it’s nothing to do with age and everything to do with attitude.
@@danielbhall
Usually attitude comes with age
But not always so you're correct lol
Did you really say it "would have a dramatic IMPACT"? Ouch. (Thanks for the great video!)
LOL Where did you get these voice actors? 0:30-0:45 is great
AN AIR CRASH ALWAYS INVOLVES A CHAIN OF EVENTS BEFORE IT BECOMES UNSAFE.
It shows parallels to an American Eagle crash in 1994, same plane, same vunerability.....
With the "Actual" cockpit voice recordings...wow..
Overkill is underrated. --Ron Pratt
Don't even attempt an accent...it sounds inappropriately humorous. Other than that, it is an interesting story.
Great recreation
Excellent thanks
Excellent. I'd like permission to use part of one of your videos and give your channel credit as the source. Dan
No worries Dan. Which video in particular? Feel free to email me if you like.
Lol! The Russian accents speaking English sound to have come from old Luney Tunes cartoons! Could you have made it more comical?
Whoever did the Russian accents: 'He did it.....straight up.....pay him.....pay that man his money'
Would the pause in the boots inflating be a sign that it was impeded by ice and tip them off?
Great video, thank you!
I love the Russian pilot and mechanic conversations
Check out Air Ontario had Plane fell from skies because of ice .
You'd think that wings would have sensors on top to warn of icing
I think the most shocking thing about this story is this was almost 20 years after the loss of American Eagle 4184. Most of the rest of the world had taken steps to move the ATR 72's to warmer climates due to just how incredibly susceptible its wing was to icing and and aerodynamic stalls from icing. Yet UTAir was operating them in Siberia? That might be the most Russian thing ever?
I love the fake Russian accent - this gives authenticity to the video.
Voice actors without an Oscar 🥴
Your videos are usually very good, but the accents were so bad they were funny. I laughed at the intro and now I'm going to hell.
😂 😂
"If it floats, it can sink; if it flies, it can crash; if it's electrical, it'll kill ya - ergo SEMPER CONFIRMET".
Don’t do the accent thing. They were speaking Russian
Thought this for a while now, 3 greens tops Mentour pilot! And a dinky di narrator too that's the grouse mate
Horrible
Great upload again 👍
Is this green dot aviation
ICE on wings... just no chance
Utair you stretch you splatter !
is it only me that thinks russians talking english is funny?
This is what happens when you allow a "shift head" to be in charge of certifying the airworthiness of your plane.
Informative, although I think the fake Russian accent was unnecessary. The genuine Australian accent is sufficient.
I appreciate the effort that you put into the creation of the content, but the phony Russian accents are off scale cringeworthy..
SANDVICH MAKE MEE STRONK!
ice make mee dead!
That russian accent couldn't help but😅
Didn't like the accent you used for the crew. Felt it was kind of mocking them. Sorry to say that.
Pretty hokey,but the video is pretty bad in general on this channel.
@@markbantz9699 Thank you
These accents are hilarious
Never presume anything.
why they imitate russians with such a funny indian accent? hahah Better to speak normally imho
The voice acting was as bad as the crash
Don't do accents. Not only are you bad at them, it is insulting, unnecessary, and disrespectful to the deceased.
Dig the Russian accents 🤣🤣🤣
The repetitive chanting tone of the voice is very, very, very annoying.
Wow there were some survivors. I would never fly on a Russian aircraft.
Now’s not a good time to be glorifying russian anything.
please do not do these silly voice overs like mario and luigi.. this one here was making video less serious...
Good video but it would have been nicer if you bleeped over the swearing
What an awful intro