"bro i spent my fucking entire lifetime trying to not sound like this" . I'm not disrespecting the song, but Bach played with various temperaments until he found out the Well-Temperament
@@filmlets Gotta wonder what these musicians would've done differently with the comparatively low effort of switching temperaments digitally like this Like, tuning a piano takes aaaages, but digitally you can shift every note very easily to whatever
I’d heard of 31TET waaaay back in 1977, but I hadn’t done much of anything with it until _Lumatone made it _*_so easy_*_ to work with_ ! It’s an amazingly versatile and good-sounding tuning, and yet very easy too for both our ears and our minds to make sense of, as well as fertile ground for expression! Amelia here, as well as Mike Battaglia and others, demonstrate all of the above seemingly effortlessly!
Hi Mr. Morrison. Yes, that was a great performance from Ms. Huff. So, who will set up your own 88-cent scale on the Lumatone and improvise with it? I composed for electric guitar for Melle Weijters in your scale, which you may find here: ruclips.net/video/xlMxRzu4cB0/видео.html&pp=ygUjdG9kZCBoYXJyb3AgbWVsbGUgd2VpanRlcnMgc3Vuc2hpbmU%3D
@@puffinwrangler7557, nice … “atmospheric,” for lack of a better term … guitar work! Is that 41TET? It’s challenging enough to _count_ the frets let alone play them, but the frets look closer together than what I’d expect for 31? For whatever it’s worth, I find that 88CET tuning maps to a traditional keyboard nicely, provided that I can map out the G#/Ab. You can then have a circle of fifths rotating through a 7:4 subminor 7th, which “looks like” the octave in notation. So then, you get from that a system of “pseudo-diatonic” scales and “pseudo-keys.” Lumatone makes it really easy to map out the G#/Ab key, but with a comparatively-large step size of 88c, it’s probably more convenient to have the larger keys of a traditional keyboard.
@@user-fw9nb6pk9m Check it out to be sure but I think you will find Zhea Erose, Zheanna Erose and Amelia Huff are quite probably different names for the same person. :)
one of the most palatable microtonal things I've ever heard. if mike battaglia is giving us some more of the subtle usages of it, this is the "deep" end
Omg this is beautiful- what a fantastic example of how to include unusual intervals in a piece. I looked the artist up on spotify and didnt see her. I would love to have a collection of this type of stuff to listen to- i would purchase it. In a way, i feel like ive always been looking for music like this- but its hard to find beautiful music that INCLUDES those dissonant (as our brainwashed ears hear it) tones without being overwhelmed by them or noisy.
For me, it's like putting my hands in front of my face, and grabbing the fabric of space/time to pull it open. "Oh. Look what's in there. The in-between world." That's the visual description. But the "feeling" is another thing that I don't have words for either.
You can remap the frequencies of any digital keyboard / piano with midi support, some even allow you to do so straight in the instrument. Of course it'll limit the number of octaves and you'll have to re-learn the tone layouts.
The awesome microtonal artist Sevish created a website that lets you choose/create any tuning you want, and export it in a number of formats that are accepted by various VST synths. I think my comment would get deleted if I put the link in it, but it shouldn't be too hard to find. And then yeah, you can just play it on a regular MIDI keyboard. Although I did learn the hard way that 31TET is very difficult to play on a normal keyboard without giant hands...
JB Bach will get the giggles playing with this keyboard Amelia, His ‘Sheep Will Safely Graze’ played with various tones, Ah Ha! ❤ from Petra Brown, Ewe can imagine his face.
It's amazing, I've done so much deep listening of piano for so long that I've had 12TET ingrained into my ear, to the extent that I can even tell certain notes apart from each other, when I hear them out of nowhere I might know it's an A for example. But the more I listen to this song the less out of tune it sounds. I think my mind is starting to wrap itself around these microtones
I see that this has its own power supply. So does it always have to be be hooked up to a computer/laptop due to the software, or can you just use it "standalone" where it's only hooked up to the hardware synthesizer that it's sending MIDI to?
it goes from morning coffee talk show pretty to bent notes to really bent notes even a few what the ear perceives as off, i m not sure microtonality has a strong case in occidental harmony.
As much as I like the 31 EDO system, and pieces like this one, there's an important factor that is lost: the symmetry. The fact that the diminished seventh chord belongs to 4 different keys helps the ear to accept dissonances more easily, and to modulate smoothly into different tonalities, not mentioning that this symetric use of the mediants has been really important for the development of modern jazz. I think that as 31 EDO might be useful sometimes in jazz for creating some new tensions, I would rather like it to found its own sound and natural development, being an independent style of music
the modulations you mention actually still work similarly. if i wanted to use a Bdim7 to modulate from C to F#, i still could, it just may be an F# minor or supermajor key specifically, as then the F in Bdim7 would be the supermajor seven of F#, and D would be the minor sixth. in the same way, you could easily modulate to Gb major or subminor.
@@meru_lpz i remember it has something to do with the sharpness/flatness of the fifth You can get a better explanation from @Lumi - Music & Theory's video "Making sense of microtones by stacking fifths"
You're probably not alone, no! In this big beautiful world, you're never alone! But a whole lot of folks would likely disagree with you too. That's the beautiful subjectivity of music. We -- and many of the folks on our channel -- love these sounds.
you have to listen with a different attitude. Don't expect a pretty tune, but brace for intense clashes of tones. Like bracing down before eating something spicy for the first time, you should take a deep breath and try to taste all the unfamiliar flavors.
I see it as trying a cup of coffee for the first time. At least for me, I hated the taste of coffee but stuck with trying to keep tasting it here and there. Now I have a palette that allows for coffee to surprise, astound and delight me. Different musical temperaments are really outside of the palette we're surrounded by and used to in the west, as Abby already said. Maybe you may surprise yourself with what you come to enjoy about it over time if you give it another try here and there!
No, i used to be the same way, after a while the dissonances become no more sour than those in 12 tone, while the consonances acquire a deep and subtle beauty
If you're trained on a single tuning your entire life, then a wildly different tuning like this will sound unnatural and out of tune. It takes purposeful self-exposure an alternate tuning in order for your mind to adapt to it and see it in a similar way to 12TET.
But what is "in tune"? It depends on what you're used to. To me, the pinnacle of intonation are good string quartets, Barbershop singers and similar, who use mostly just intonation. Compared to that, 12-edo instruments like standard piano actually are always a bit out of tune. 31-edo can get much closer to JI, though of course with that many notes it can also do stuff that's brutally dissonant.
I dunno, to me it just sounds different. Some of the basic intervals are less accurate, some are more accurate, and some of the intervals are completely new!@@dr.banane8038
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I am so happy to be a violinist knowing a microtonal keyboard exists as well.
I want to go back in time and show this to Bach
"bro i spent my fucking entire lifetime trying to not sound like this"
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I'm not disrespecting the song, but Bach played with various temperaments until he found out the Well-Temperament
@@filmlets Gotta wonder what these musicians would've done differently with the comparatively low effort of switching temperaments digitally like this
Like, tuning a piano takes aaaages, but digitally you can shift every note very easily to whatever
In summary, You want to go Bach in time
@@Kram1032apparently bach could tune his harpsichord in 15-minutes, and would retune it multiple times a day.
@@G8tr1522 that sounds very fast
Fantastic. It's like a door has opened into a room that was always there, and now you have found it.
I’d heard of 31TET waaaay back in 1977, but I hadn’t done much of anything with it until _Lumatone made it _*_so easy_*_ to work with_ !
It’s an amazingly versatile and good-sounding tuning, and yet very easy too for both our ears and our minds to make sense of, as well as fertile ground for expression!
Amelia here, as well as Mike Battaglia and others, demonstrate all of the above seemingly effortlessly!
Hi Mr. Morrison. Yes, that was a great performance from Ms. Huff. So, who will set up your own 88-cent scale on the Lumatone and improvise with it? I composed for electric guitar for Melle Weijters in your scale, which you may find here: ruclips.net/video/xlMxRzu4cB0/видео.html&pp=ygUjdG9kZCBoYXJyb3AgbWVsbGUgd2VpanRlcnMgc3Vuc2hpbmU%3D
@@puffinwrangler7557, nice … “atmospheric,” for lack of a better term … guitar work! Is that 41TET? It’s challenging enough to _count_ the frets let alone play them, but the frets look closer together than what I’d expect for 31?
For whatever it’s worth, I find that 88CET tuning maps to a traditional keyboard nicely, provided that I can map out the G#/Ab. You can then have a circle of fifths rotating through a 7:4 subminor 7th, which “looks like” the octave in notation. So then, you get from that a system of “pseudo-diatonic” scales and “pseudo-keys.”
Lumatone makes it really easy to map out the G#/Ab key, but with a comparatively-large step size of 88c, it’s probably more convenient to have the larger keys of a traditional keyboard.
This song is a FREAKIN VIBE! I love the chord progression at 2:39
My favorite of your Lumatone performances BY FAR!!
Check out Zheanna Erose and Cam Taylor
@@user-fw9nb6pk9mthis video is Zheanna
@@user-fw9nb6pk9m
Check it out to be sure but I think you will find Zhea Erose, Zheanna Erose and Amelia Huff are quite probably different names for the same person. :)
@@user-fw9nb6pk9m you do realize this is zhea right
Love how she kept coming back to that minor 11th sound. That was amazing
Beautiful music, Z 🤩
one of the most palatable microtonal things I've ever heard. if mike battaglia is giving us some more of the subtle usages of it, this is the "deep" end
microtonal planing!!!! uff incredible!!!
Omg this is beautiful- what a fantastic example of how to include unusual intervals in a piece. I looked the artist up on spotify and didnt see her. I would love to have a collection of this type of stuff to listen to- i would purchase it. In a way, i feel like ive always been looking for music like this- but its hard to find beautiful music that INCLUDES those dissonant (as our brainwashed ears hear it) tones without being overwhelmed by them or noisy.
Her artist name is Zhea Erose - she has a great song called “Sola” on here that I think is also on Spotify.
@@stirlingblackwood thanks!!
This makes me feel something I don't have the vocabulary for, but it's good.
I get you
For me, it's like putting my hands in front of my face, and grabbing the fabric of space/time to pull it open. "Oh. Look what's in there. The in-between world." That's the visual description. But the "feeling" is another thing that I don't have words for either.
Chumbly. You're ocharizing the rickens without a raquoore in the wele. And you think you might go for a splee.
Love it so much, those spisy harmonies :)
It’s amazing and she’s amazing I love her 🥺
A beautiful sound Amelia, From Petra-B xxx🐱
Amazing 😮
I wanna do music like this
Bravo! Very Beautiful.
this is superb.. what would be the easiest way to experiment with this if I cannot yet afford a lumatone?
I think there are regular MIDI keyboards which let you reprogram the inputs
You can remap the frequencies of any digital keyboard / piano with midi support, some even allow you to do so straight in the instrument. Of course it'll limit the number of octaves and you'll have to re-learn the tone layouts.
The awesome microtonal artist Sevish created a website that lets you choose/create any tuning you want, and export it in a number of formats that are accepted by various VST synths. I think my comment would get deleted if I put the link in it, but it shouldn't be too hard to find. And then yeah, you can just play it on a regular MIDI keyboard. Although I did learn the hard way that 31TET is very difficult to play on a normal keyboard without giant hands...
I love this
This is amazing, i wish there were an angle straight above your hands!
damn thats good
Way-cool improv! Thanks for sharing.
Next step, incorporate the “whoa!” harmonies from your “Paranola.”
I can almost hear those stilted lo-fi hip hop drums in a few places
JB Bach will get the giggles playing with this keyboard Amelia, His ‘Sheep Will Safely Graze’ played with various tones, Ah Ha! ❤ from Petra Brown, Ewe can imagine his face.
those planing chords are soooo yummy
So relaxing… 🇦🇺❤️
It's amazing, I've done so much deep listening of piano for so long that I've had 12TET ingrained into my ear, to the extent that I can even tell certain notes apart from each other, when I hear them out of nowhere I might know it's an A for example.
But the more I listen to this song the less out of tune it sounds. I think my mind is starting to wrap itself around these microtones
vivid
Is this LTN available?
I see that this has its own power supply. So does it always have to be be hooked up to a computer/laptop due to the software, or can you just use it "standalone" where it's only hooked up to the hardware synthesizer that it's sending MIDI to?
it can be hooked up to a hardware synthesizer.
but i don't know if hardware synths can respond to microtonal scales.
little nardis at 1:37
at about 2:00 did anyone feel like she was gonna hit the licc
Links trying on a pair of skinny jeans, oh comfy ❤ Petra
0:52 wtf was that?
It's microtonal music, shit happens lol
it goes from morning coffee talk show pretty to bent notes to really bent notes even a few what the ear perceives as off, i m not sure microtonality has a strong case in occidental harmony.
As much as I like the 31 EDO system, and pieces like this one, there's an important factor that is lost: the symmetry. The fact that the diminished seventh chord belongs to 4 different keys helps the ear to accept dissonances more easily, and to modulate smoothly into different tonalities, not mentioning that this symetric use of the mediants has been really important for the development of modern jazz.
I think that as 31 EDO might be useful sometimes in jazz for creating some new tensions, I would rather like it to found its own sound and natural development, being an independent style of music
the modulations you mention actually still work similarly. if i wanted to use a Bdim7 to modulate from C to F#, i still could, it just may be an F# minor or supermajor key specifically, as then the F in Bdim7 would be the supermajor seven of F#, and D would be the minor sixth. in the same way, you could easily modulate to Gb major or subminor.
According to @lumi-musictheory3476 31 EDO is Super-diatonic, Super-mavila, and Hyper-diatonic. Yay.
What is the meaning of "Super-diatonic", "Super-mavila", and "Hyper-diatonic"? 😅
@@meru_lpz i remember it has something to do with the sharpness/flatness of the fifth
You can get a better explanation from @Lumi - Music & Theory's video "Making sense of microtones by stacking fifths"
A bit jazzy
Vous devriez vous entrainer sur vos modulations car elles sont trop abrupt pour créer l'effet attendus selon moi..
Just why?
Awesome skills, but it still hurts my ears.
Am I really alone with that feeling?
You're probably not alone, no! In this big beautiful world, you're never alone!
But a whole lot of folks would likely disagree with you too.
That's the beautiful subjectivity of music.
We -- and many of the folks on our channel -- love these sounds.
you have to listen with a different attitude. Don't expect a pretty tune, but brace for intense clashes of tones. Like bracing down before eating something spicy for the first time, you should take a deep breath and try to taste all the unfamiliar flavors.
I see it as trying a cup of coffee for the first time. At least for me, I hated the taste of coffee but stuck with trying to keep tasting it here and there. Now I have a palette that allows for coffee to surprise, astound and delight me. Different musical temperaments are really outside of the palette we're surrounded by and used to in the west, as Abby already said. Maybe you may surprise yourself with what you come to enjoy about it over time if you give it another try here and there!
No, i used to be the same way, after a while the dissonances become no more sour than those in 12 tone, while the consonances acquire a deep and subtle beauty
If you're trained on a single tuning your entire life, then a wildly different tuning like this will sound unnatural and out of tune. It takes purposeful self-exposure an alternate tuning in order for your mind to adapt to it and see it in a similar way to 12TET.
Sounds slightly out of tune…?
But what is "in tune"? It depends on what you're used to. To me, the pinnacle of intonation are good string quartets, Barbershop singers and similar, who use mostly just intonation. Compared to that, 12-edo instruments like standard piano actually are always a bit out of tune. 31-edo can get much closer to JI, though of course with that many notes it can also do stuff that's brutally dissonant.
She plays in another tone space with different notes, I think it sounds more in tune than normally
I've listened to this many times now and the offness of it in my head is almost completely gone
@@martinr7728 after a bit time of getting used to it, it sounds way better than 12 edo
I dunno, to me it just sounds different. Some of the basic intervals are less accurate, some are more accurate, and some of the intervals are completely new!@@dr.banane8038