The Crunchiest Chords (31-TET)
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- This transcription was submitted by Stephen Weigel. Discord: / discord
Original video: • Mike Battaglia | Sweet...
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Being someone that only has a basic understanding of theory, watching this shit makes me feel like a fledgling wizard watching some archmage perform some miracle level magic. My brain is now backwards in my head.
There arent that crazy timings here. Id recommened just trying to learn one bar for now. Even if it takes a week just keep practicing.
@@kedronmallia939 I was referring more to the... tonal nature? of the composition. Microtones are nuts. And I wish I had more time to learn theory. I just watch RUclips videos now.
@@jemplayer if your goal is to listen to more microtonal music, try some classical Indian, or Indonesian music. The indian raga system, like many other middle eastern tuning systems are scales that use microtones (half flat/sharp) and also have specific ornamentations built around microtones. The indonesian "classical" music (built around bronze gong instruments) is often purposefully "out of tune" (i put that in parentheses as that's how it's seen in western music, not in indonesian music) and often times has sounds that are very microtonal and seem out of place, even though they're totally normal. Last thing id recommend is listening to the poet by Tigran Hamasyan. It's a cool example of how middle eastern scales can sound both out of tune, and in tune at the same time. If im not mistaken, he plays a piano and doubles it, changing one piano to a half flat/half sharp note to match the middle eastern sound
@UCmIIrZVyf-3mzuN3_oer7BA didnt think he was bitching first of all. All I wanted to do was give him courage to practice. The only one doing that is you
@@TaveZgg "Last thing I'd recommend" means "what I would never recommend". better use "my final recommendation would be (...)"
Ive become addicted to crunchy chords. First just a dominant 7 was enough to appease me but then i was introduced to the sharp 9, then the flat 13, and now were just using unnamed notes! I fear ill never return to triads again
No one would ever return to triads after hearing something like Em11 -> Eb13#11 (sweet crunchy) -> Dm7 (thanks, Charles Cornell)
hey man, triads can be killer if you do em right
then again 3:34 hits so different what the f u c k d o g
Triads are really important don’t sleep on them
@@WikiBidoz that's still triads and 7th chords haha just stacked on top of each other
@@isaacdes962 yeah, you could express an extended chord like that, but they're not a singular triad, that's the point. I meant you won't return to using only triads as chords
The sound is so rich and yet not as jarring as a lot of microtonal music is. This is great. 👍
Check out sevish totally different style but v smooth microtonal shit it’s like rly cool
@@jeffstevens6916 specifically his song gleam is probably the most digestible, albeit still a bit jarring
I also have a cover of Gleam on my channel with four microtonal pianos
You should check out mild high clubs recent album lots of microtonal elements
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Sounds like your switching between a Steinway and a pub piano, mid-stride. I love it.
The virgin “perfect-pitch” haver: That piano’s out of tune!
The chad microtonalist: YES.
"It's more in tune than your piano."
Ha ha.
Technically, some of these might sound more in tune to certain individuals with perfect pitch. Apparently the harmonic series is not in consistent intervals, but the tuning of a piano _is._
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 It doesn't require perfect pitch at all. Perfect pitch is only needed to judge e.g. whether the A on a piano is actually an A, or some other note. As soon as intervals get involved, anyone can tell the difference, because out of tune intervals will have beating between harmonics that you can hear as soon as you know what to listen for. For example, if we take the actual 5th harmonic of middle A, that's 5 * 440 Hz = 2200 Hz. When you hit a string tuned so its fundamental is 440 Hz, you'll also generally get some vibrations at 2200 Hz as part of the timbre of the instrument. Now let's go up a major third from there to C#, and consider the 4th harmonic of that note. If C# were a perfect 5/4 ratio above A, then its 4th harmonic would exactly match 2200 Hz, and that's what consonance is: partials of different notes lining up nicely. Now let's use the major third in 12 equal. We'll get 2^(4/12) * 440 as our C# (It's 2^(4/12) because a major third is 4 steps in 12 equal), and then multiply that by 4 to get the fourth harmonic, and we get 2217.5. There will be a beat frequency between the fifth harmonic of our A at 2200 Hz, and the fourth harmonic of our C# at 2217.5 Hz at the absolute difference of those: 17.5 Hz. This creates a sort of "buzzing" that is *very* noticeable if you're used to thirds that are in tune. Let's try it with 31 equal: we get 2^(10/31) * 440 as our C# (the major third is 10 steps of 31 equal), and then multiply that by 4, and we get 2201 Hz. So the beating is 1 Hz, which is much slower and less noticeable (a little slow beating can even be pleasant, like a gentle chorus effect).
It's a compromise though, since while the thirds are more in tune in 31 equal, you give up a little accuracy in the fifths and fourths (not enough to be really painful though -- if we took that A and the E above it in 31 equal, the 3rd harmonic of the A would beat against the 2nd harmonic of the E at about 4 Hz, which is still pretty decent). The fifths in 31 equal are about 5 cents out, and the thirds in 12 equal are about 13 cents out.
The real things which set 31 equal ahead of 12 equal for me are that (1) its B-C / E-F semitone is much better in tune with the 16/15 ratio it's generally meant to be, making the major and minor scales just generally better sounding overall. This also means maj7 chords are nicer, not quite as nice as the ones in 43 equal, but very nice, and (2) all the ratios that have a 7 in the numerator or denominator, and which help line up the 7th harmonics of notes with other harmonics of other notes have good approximations and are available to use to make new types of harmony, whereas 12 equal does such a poor job approximating them that it basically isn't a thing.
The gigachad microtonal "perfect pitch" haver: I see this as an absolute win.
To me this just sounds like the warm, nostalgic feel of my father playing my grandparent's old upright when that whole side of the extended family would gather there on Christmas day.
Yeah because it's out of tune
@@dazza2350 it's not out of tune he's playing on an electric
also it's microtonal meaning he's playing notes in between semitones.
@@b1shop988 grandpa's old upright was out of tune. and so is the e-keyboard, it's sort of the joke of e-keyboards that they can replicate any tune you tell them to
@@h00db01i The keyboard is not "out of tune", it's specifically tuned to 31-TET as it says; it'd be "out of tune" if it was supposed to be tuned to 12-TET and sounded like 31TET, but that's not the case here.
People with perfect pitch: this is hell
People with perfect micro-pitch and people with no pitch perception: *this is fine*
i actually like it a lot
this isn't 'fine'
this is _fiiiiiine_
i have it, and tho it sounds off, i quite like it. Or, well, theres this weird feeling that i like something because its weird
Why do you think perfect pitch (rather than relative) should make this unpleasant?
I think it's initially jarring to anyone regardless of perfect pitch. Certainly was to be and still is to some extent. Intervals still don't "make sense" to our 12TET brains. But it feels like an interesting rewiring of my brain. At the same time I love the sound and still have this thing saying "ew no" in the back of my mind. I wonder what will happen if I keep listening to 31TET music for years.
It works so well because the sound produced is very reminiscent of an old honky tonk piano in a saloon.
Yeah, that's why a ton of people only perform or compose microtonal music on detuned pianos. The cultural framework is already there through old honky tonks and in more recent years lo-fi hip hop detuned pianos.
it also uses the blues which already uses microtones and the "notes inbetween"
This is the way I would introduce people to microtonality
Have you ever heard of Sevish?
@@kassandrasaavedra6312 I just checked it out and I got to say what a gem to find this, thanks for the recommendation
Have you ever heard of Jacob Collier?
@@jamesonrichards5105 another recommendation would be zhea erose!
I would say King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard's album Flying Microtonal Banana
Perfect for this style of music. Feels like an old saloon piano
Good call! Exactly that!!
Because it's so out of tune lol
@@YourMJK whats out of tune? The notes are in tone
@@mikeyeyey8678 Each piano key has 1-3 strings and if those aren't tuned to the same pitch you get this "flangey" saloon sound.
@@YourMJK right but this pianos electric first of all, so its in tune no matter what, and hes playing microtonal music, which is why it sounds out of tune
Stuff like this is why I prefer music tuned in 31-TET over the usual 12-TET
My favorite thing about this channel is that he LINKS THE ORIGINAL VIDEO. So many people don't but because he actually adds value it makes sense.
This is the way
I've never heard anything with microtones sound like that, that was amazing
the wolf fifth at the end of a phrase REALLY slaps
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@@blizzard_the_seal9863 same
3:20 run and 3:30 is so satisfying.
Also... how in the christ was this transcribed? I can't imagine this being possible to do by ear.
Idk what people are complaining about in the comments; I have perfect pitch and I'm vibing to notes I never knew existed
you and me both brother
You, my friend, are a microtonalist :D
What I like about this, in contrast to a lot of microtonal music, is how it still sounds good.
Having microtones doesn't mean just playing all the dissonant chords. You can do that without microtones (you just have fewer chords).
That's such a strange sensation; my brain just wants to just call it out of tune
Good to know that it's not only me. It almost hurts... Not used to this at all!
But what is "in tune"? After all equal temperament is not so old in the music history (if you consider pure intonation, pythagorean or baroco style) and even today many musical practices all other the world use differents musical systems.
@@jean-baptistelore6959 idk how to explain it. My brain just says "WRONG"
@@jean-baptistelore6959 you're right. It just sounds weird to my ears. My brain just says "WRONG"
In fact, it is simply a matter of style, will and social consensus. After all, quarter tones are no longer disturbing in arabic music when you become familiar with it, it is even logical when you think of it like a perfect triad of notes.
It is only strange in a western ear because of a 300 years old tradition (if you think that equal temperament appear at the end of Bach's life in the 18th century).
"This sounds like normal TET! Wait here it doesn't. Now it goes again! Wait no not that part. That part does! Oh wow there we go"
Exactly what I was thinking
12edo and 31edo are both meantone tunings, so a lot of harmony is compatible
It did "seem" like it's more noticeable with chromatic movements, perhaps?
this is goood!
I love how the "wrong" notes bring back my attention
Its amazing how bright the treble line can get with some microtones, had me hooked from the start. And how the bass line just ate up all the litte twitches of tonality into this sharp but smooth groove just sent it home.
So glad I found this channel.
THIS A CROSSOVER I DIDN'T THINK I'LL SEE. I love both you guys.
I have perfect pitch. My brain doesn't seem to really understand this and I love it so much.
i have perfect pitch moment
I dont have perfect pitch but it confuses my brain anyways
@@blu4r414 relatable
@@blu4r414 Same!
its like a new frame on a photograph
I have been watching this for fifteen minutes and I can't stop, please help
Love the effect. Starts out "in tune" and slowly falls "out of tune" during the performance. Really nice.
or it started out of tune and slowly falls in tune, how about that ?
@@Fortlessyou're not him
@@doinkens I mean, "in tune" is really subjective nowadays as we are so used to hearing 12TET. Also that comment is a year old
this is literally the only microtonal music i found so far that i think doesnt sound scary xD
you can check sevish, brendan byrnes, benyamind, hear between the lines! they make more pleasant music for the majority of people
Also check out Jacob Colliers In the bleak midwinter. He does like a half sharp key change thingy
Glad you think so. Part of the reason, I expect, is that the intervals that occur most often in the tonal music we're used to --- perfect 4th and 5th, major and minor 3rd and 6th --- are very close to in tune. Indeed, 31et's major 3rd (and therefore also minor 6th) is even closer to in tune than 12et's is.
I find Brendan Byrnes stuff to still sound eerie and dissonant, but Sevish’s stuff feels more right
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Oh my god. I didn’t know this would unlock something in my brain. Thanks. As a musician who struggles with “ making it sound right” or “ perfect” whatever. This is amazing it’s soo fucking good
Thanks @georgecollier for bringing us such norm-defying music! I just sub'd when I saw you're still in high school -- awesome to have fellow "youngsters" interested in bringing great music back into the mainstream! Cheers mate!
When I read "crunchiest chords" my brain was like 🤔...after the 2nd page, it hit me💡. That's some excellent playing and I look forward to hearing more.
the descent at 1:28 is blowing my mind, it's like a record being slowed down
bass goes Bb Eb A# D#, Bb and Eb are just one 31-edo step above A# and D# so they sound ever so slightly different in pitch
I'm neither a musician nor music student; my brain feels like there's something wrong but cannot point it out.
It feels like one of those huge paintings; you can't make anything out of it if you stand too close. But overall, everything makes perfect sense once you see the whole thing.
I listen to this every day, for months now.
This is my favorite Sweet Lorraine on the web, man. Thank you!
this is the soundtrack for those amazing dreams that you can't remember
This is really great, Mike--- Thanks for the upload... it's taking some ideas from the Tatum versions, so great arrangement by Stephan Weigel as well
Amazing transcription. And what a bada$$ Mike is. The future is coming.
real recognise real
2:15 his absolute grin cus he KNOWS how good n crunch that felt
This sounds like what it feels like to eat a really good piece of bread.
Underrated comment
This is really beautiful and super interesting to hear! I wish there was more microtonal music out there to make my brain work.
There's quite a bit of microtonal music on RUclips atm, it's just that they're smaller RUclipsrs that don't get recommended often, even if you listen to microtonal music often.
I CAN’T STOP LISTENING TO THIS IT’S SO GOOOOD
Just amazing. This really brightened my day - thank you!
For some reason, to me, it doesn’t sound out of tune - it sounds like an old western piano, that’s so out of tune, that it actually became more in tune
There's probably some arrangement of words with the term "Just Intonation" somewhere for me to type, but I can't think of it right now
I think of honky-tonk piano
Awesome!! We need more microharmonic music and transcriptions of it!
Well you guys are doing good work to make it happen!
This is absolutely AMAZING!
LOVE this. I listen to this over and over.
This will forever remain one of the coolest things I've ever heard or will ever hear. It's up there with Bach and Ben Johnston, amazing stuff!!!
Actually sounds pleasing and beautiful
This is the most illegaly pleasing piece of music i've heard so far
This piece of music makes my heart flutter tbh, like in a good way I mean
My perfect pitch doesn’t have enough DPI to comprehend this
it's like the notes ring out more man this is beautiful!
31EDO has nice 3rd, decent 5th, nice 7th, and decent 11th. This system might be proposed in the Renaissance era.
Yeah, it actually was! This was extremely close to meantone temperament (What they used at the time), so people like Adriaan Fokker came with the idea to use 31 equal divisions of the octave!
ironically this is one of the most beautiful pieces I have ever heard
Wow. My brain doesn’t even know where to begin comprehending this, let alone play it. 2:32 was magic for me!
I'm so glad you posted this. I follow him and this song specifically needs more exposure, and I loved his annotations
"How many accidentals are you going to add?"
"YES!"
Those chords in bar 97&98 make my brain tingle.
1:30 when the illusion fades before the protagonist's eyes
i know exactly what you’re talking about, and thank you for that
The descending chords at 2:15 sound so nostalgic
True, it reminds me of my first time hearing Giant Steps or watching an movie in a classroom
Memories of Mr. Rogers...
its like YEAHHHHHHHHHHH gonna have a summer kind of sunset outside in the old brick buildings town
Thank you for capturing the vital braaaps in this piece.
You’re welcome! ☺️
@@stephenweigel what is a braaap?
It’s the sound of a fart which can also be heard in crunchy dissonant piano chords
@@jordanrutledge7943 no braaps exist in 12-TET unfortunately 😔
0:22 Love the way the lower notes rub together here, seems like a fun sample to work with too
3:34 THE STANKKKKKKK
Once you get that sound into your ears it can be hard to go back, the crunch cannot be unheard.
Ok, but why does the Rast Tetrachord just sound so... Something. It tickles a part of my mind that I don't think I've touched before. I love it and will now look up all about it.
it's neither major or minor, it takes a fourth and divides it into 4 equal intervals. Fascinating stuff when used melodically!!!
This is so effin' fresh ❤ (heard it yesterday)
Microtonality is so cool. Let's reinvent music theory for 31 tone equal temperament!!
Agreed!
HELL YEAH
Damn those harmonies'll rattle your teeth. Love it.
I like how the 1.5 flat looks like a little heart
it is actually called "heart" by few microtonalists! for the 1.5 sharp it'd be called "fries" since it looks like waffle fries! :D
"Hear between the lines" made a video about that, you're free to check it out
Microtonal music always melts my brain
for all the comments. As a perfect pitch haver I live for this shit and can no longer hear this song any other way
Me too! I think having perfect pitch is part of why I’m addicted to xenharmonic music
@@stephenweigelI can tell by your pfp
I love this channel because I discover amazing musicians every single time
this probably the best video of dude playing piano i’m going to see for a long time
Those microtones are giving me goosebumps.
This is surprising my brain, I don’t know how to describe what some of the microtones do but I get the same mental sensation whenever I hear something clearly chromatic
Gotta love the big finish with the muted bicycle bell 😂
Actually 12TET chords sound much more out of tune to me, dull and muddy to the point that I can hardly listen to pure piano music, its that unpleasant. This sounded fine, almost clear.
This has brighten my day like I would've never though. Thank you so much :)
I can't decide if I love or hate this
You know you love it
3:23 That 4:5:6:7:9 chords are very close to the Bohlen-Pierce sound. Awesome!
Sounds like something a genetically modified 4-armed person would play in a saloon orbiting Saturn
youve won the comment section.
if having perfect pitch means that I couldn't enjoy this, then I would never want it
My best friend has perfect pitch and when I showed this to him he absolutely loved it.
Yeah, perfect pitch is more of an ability to memorize frequency, rather than a curse of only recognizing 12 "right" notes forever. For example, people with perfect pitch have joined Harry Partch ensembles and learned to recognize the 43 tones over time.
My head hurts already. This made it get over itself 😂
Thank you! A pleasure for the ears 🙌🏽
Nice work, Stephen!
Thanks! :) I want to transcribe basically everything microtonal and popular on RUclips! Next up: Anna-Maria Hefele’s Lambdoma excerpt #1 :)
2:14 this feels like when you stand up too fast and you go like "woaahhh"
Best mictotonal piece I've heard so far!
Cidn’t even realize this was 31 TET until i read the title. I’m perfect out of tune lol
Well jokes on you, 12TET is more out of tune than 31TET
This severely messes with my head! What candy of magic is this?!
Shows just how important timing is wow.
As someone with perfect pitch, this isn’t a musical sin, it’s a musical fetish, and I’m having an eargasm 😩😩😩
keep up the amazing work!
I think the fact that my brain registers nothing 'wrong' with this is a testament to how much I do *not* have perfect pitch, hah.
Some of these chords feel like peeing my pants and savoring the warm sensation. 10/10
I love this type of music
The change into bar 66 is magic!
That’s a good one - hearing a B flat chord move to A sharp, which is only about 39
cents 😊
I have perfect pitch, it sounds very weird and unnerving but also very cool in a way
You're on your way to become a microtonalist, keep it up dude
@@TentacleTerrorMusic I'd love to create microtonal music actually, but I don't know enough theory for tuning systems other than 12-TET, and those other systems, like 31-TET or 17-TET, are barely supported by music software and plugins (I can't even change the temperament in FL Studio's piano roll).
@@TentacleTerrorMusic It's also very difficult for me to recognize the precise pitch of a note if it's not in the 12-TET. Some songs are sometimes in a half-flat or a half-sharp key, and this annoys me a lot (for example, when I listen to Michael Jackson's Bad or Smooth Criminal, my brain scrambles to work out whether the song is in A minor or B-flat minor, even though it's in none of those keys!)
Bro in the thumbnail the cord to your headset made it look like the notes continue off the page
Ayyy that’s sick
the piano player is not george collier btw, collier only transcribed it
Stephen Weigel transcribed it
One of my online friends once described microtones as adding a sowerness to music and the analogy really rings well in this. The song feels almost nicely acidic. Like a nice cup of sweet lemonade in the summer.
3:22 how lovely a sound
How did someone along the line during the making of this video decide we didn't want to see his hands? What the hell does his piano look like??? I MUST KNOW
this kinda sounds like walking down the street on a nice summer day saying hi to everyone and their dog but you actually also have a banging headache
Oooh lovely!! I’d love if you did more microtonal stuff!