How to Tune SUSPENSION | Part 1: Springs and Dampers | Gran Turismo 7 Tuning Guide
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- It's finally here! This is part 1 of my in-depth tuning guide on suspension in GT7! In this part, we cover natural frequencies, dampers, and some ride height discussion. I put quite a bit of time into this one, so I hope you all enjoy! As always, leave your feedback, questions, and comments below.
If you want to see more tuning guides like these, let me know in the comments!
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SETTINGS:
Transmission: Manual
TC: 0
ABS: Default
Auto-Drive: Off
ASM: Off
Countersteering Assistance: Off
Controller Steering Sensitivity: 7
PSN: iiHarmonic
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0:00 - Intro
0:47 - Brief Ride Height Discussion
2:06 - Natural Frequency Theory
6:31 - Spring Damping Theory
8:06 - Natural Frequency On Track
9:47 - Baseline Lap - Too Soft?
12:13 - Stiffer NF Helps Sometimes
13:19 - Stiffer NF Is Better Here?
14:00 - Watch Out for Curbs!
14:34 - Front NF Softer Than Rear
15:11 - Rear NF Softer Than Front
15:38 - NF In a Nutshell
15:59 - Damper Adjustments
16:16 - Compression/Bump
17:17 - Increasing Bump
17:44 - Expansion/Rebound
19:00 - Decreasing Rebound
19:31 - Adjusting Front/Rear Damping for Exits
20:05 - Adjusting Front/Rear Damping for Entry
20:47 - Damping Cheat Sheet
21:19 - Final Thoughts
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Gran turismo should be adding things like this to the game, apart of the book thingy, you can have another cafe where they have books and they get you to go out and try cars with spring/tires/areo issues and then teach/demonstrate by allowing you to experiencing what the pros and cons are of these situations, they could still add this to the game as a big add-on in the future.
Anyways, we have you guys on RUclips picking up the slack for them I guess. Thank you, super great informative video, can't wait for more of them.
Yes....i mean the apex magazine helps a bit with the fundamentals of certain aspects of the car but it's not in detail where i can use that information to my benefit.
I love this idea. Pure genius. Simple, but genius 👏.
@@melapelan2596
Yea because the game just gives you static information for each aspect.
BUT, sometimes these pieces of information are intertwine, and need to be looked at as a whole. It's a lot of information on above the apex.
The game could make it fun and enjoyable learning these aspects of racing in the game like I said.
Indeed, it has to be scripted to allow fast and quick access to track. However, don’t you think that learning the information the old fashioned way makes the process more valuable? Knowledge and performance gap kinda thing.
@@oriangalore
The old fashion knowledge is there in the game and any where else you want to find it.
The point I'm making is have it in the game ALSO as a fun ADDITION to the game/learning process.
I remember learning about racing from this first game, it was HUGE to me everything I learned and carry it with me.
They should repeat this for the new people just learning, and a refresher for older people who want to get back into it.
So it's not that it's a better way to learn, it's a GREAT ADDITION to learning, fun and memories created.
And lots of people learn better HANDS-ON, like learning as you drive in the game ETC.
I appreciate the technical detail you put into your videos, A LOT. I'm an engineer myself, and I really like the rigorous approach at the beginning portion to explain the background. Good work! Last video you made was a year ago - please make more videos with GT7!
Agreed
One of the many things I love about Gran Turismo. You get to learn about how cars work. I hated school when I was a kid but your video has ‘
made subjects like engineering and physics interesting to me. Thanks for the video!!!
Great video. It's so nice to see the physics behind different driving situations and how to correct any issues rather than just random guessing.
I've been looking for good videos explaining suspension tuning (on real world cars) and so far none of them have done as good a job as yours. Even though it's a sim, the principles are still identical and you did a fantastic job with this video! I'll be going through your other videos as well.
Thank You so much for really breaking this all down. Really understanding both comprehensive and rebound of the Damper is not only extremely helpful and interesting in the game but also real life.
I has a set of Fortune Auto 510's for my STI. I wanted to track it but also be able to drive it to the track. I had a vague understanding on how they act. 3-4 clicks from the softest for street the more clicks for mountain runs and 8-10 on track days. We never really hit any rumble strips so I can run them pretty stiff on the track. Anyway thanks again, you really opened my eyes and gave me a new understanding for suspension. I only have a single adjustment nob, and really don't like messing with the springs but I'm going to try a little softer for track and see how it goes. ✌️
Besides being brilliant about tuning setups and a huge asset to the community, dude you could seriously get some work in voiceovers or audio books 😄
Fantastic vid, well thought out and very easy to understand. Great job!
Keep up the good work on the video man, I really appreciate the technical side as an aero undergrad, you give just right amount of info without getting to heavy into dynamic systems. The ghost laps are super helpful for visual learners too, overall awesome work don’t change your format
Honestly this is the best in depth tuning video out here right now you did an amazing job explaining the math behind everything keep this up!!
Your content is top notch 👌 I find these videos very informing, thanks a lot! Keep up the good work and take care man!
This video is perfect so far, you are going deep for people that can use it and giving the light version on the side for people that don't want to get all geeked out on it.
I'm at 6:09, and that page is super useful.
Also a good reminder, I was struggling with tuning my '89 m3 and was having rubbing and stiffness issues that I couldn't fully trouble-shoot around watkins glen. Changing back to the stock suspension for that event wasnt a deal-breaker and made the car so much nicer to drive. It allowed for more PP wiggle room to increase power too. Reverting to stock for a single race, or car that you're struggling to tune that you wont be maining, isnt the end of the world and now that m3 is my favourite 600pp go-to
This is the best series I’ve found on tuning. I had been making so many mistakes thinking my adjustments were beneficial, when in reality, I was probably ruining my tunes. Thank you so much!
love this theory explanation! along with that info and demonstrated effects in game based on the simulation model I might be able to start reducing my toe back to 0 for help with "turn in" problems.
Thanks a ton for this in depth video! I can't wait for the other parts to come out in due time. Quality is always top Tier.
Great video as always!
I really enjoy these videos. Thank you for your time & effort in making these. I look forward to your videos
Great explanation on how to get a better setup. I cant wait til you get part two uploaded
I found when playing forza Motorsport, the easiest way to correct over/under steer was to change the caster angle, It put me on the backfoot when I found that the setting wasn’t in GT7. So this video was most helpful to help trouble shoot steering issues. I hope in part 2 you unpack camber and roll bar stiffness as some people have lots of camber and soft roll bars or stiff roll bars and less camber and I was wondering what the pros and cons are. Thanks
Finally a relevant and understandable guide. Dude you made my day !
Seriously awesome video bro. Keep ‘em up.
absolute class
These videos are excellent dude. Thank you for making them.
Wow this is mad informative bro i been tinkering with suspension settings awhile now since the older Gran Turismo’s and this by far is the most informative video out there
Awesome stuff! Great explanation Harmonic!
Got my autodrome lago time down to 1:55.3! Thank you! Can’t wait for more of the tuning guides, haven’t touched downforce so looking forward to hearing how it comes into play
Best video I've seen on this maybe ever and I've watched many over the years to build my understanding. This video helps so much
Awesome i was waiting for this one !!!! LETS GOO
Cheers, thanks for the video! 😁
Another perfect video, you make things so easy to understand even for us with very little knowledge of tuning. If anyone ever asks me, I point them to your videos.
Thank you for the vid. Great job. Looking forward to part 2. 👍🏻
That was a dope video my guy
Mate that was unreal! Thanks heaps for the layman's and technical explanations, you saved me hours of trial and error and confirmed my own theorys 10/10
i spent several *hours* (lol) tonight playing with tuning, starting with whatever the game gives as baseline w/ the fully adjustable suspension. i found that pretty much every car (road car, not gr.1/2/3/4) i've tested has a default tune with the ride height and/or the natural frequencies so low that the front squats enough under braking to bottom out the suspension, and simply getting the right balance between ride height and NF alone can vastly improve how the car handles. many of the cars i've tested so far required some pretty hefty increases to ride height and NF to get close to where they probably should be.
Well done, sir!
Thank you for your hard work and explanation, very detailed and easy to understand!
Unbiased and articulate with the option to forgo the theory. Love it
Big help man thank you!
Thank you so much for these videos 😌
Fantastic explanation!
Excellent presentation! Thanks
Great video, gives me a bit more confidence in my tuning, thanks
Still the best suspension tuning guide for GT7 that I can find 🫡
Great Info, Best GT7 suspension tuning video I’ve watched. Hoping this helps me get my Mustang under control.
unfortunately nothing gets a mustang under control 😂
Great videos I am learning a lot from these it's a big help in setting a base and tuning according to my driving style
Awesome video
Very helpfull. You got the sub!
It's gold. Liked and suscribed
Amazing job thanks a lot
Thanks!! That's exactly the level of details I was looking for 👍👍 you got a new subscriber 😊
This is all really helpful. I appreciate the science, but the "showing us" is what I find most helpful. It gives me a good idea of what changes to make instead of randomly just throwing numbers around. Thank you.
Also, if possible, is there a theory on where to start when tuning? Start with the transmission and gearing first? Or the suspension? Or the differential? I know if you adjust one it affects others. Just a good idea of do this, get that right, then work on these, kind of insight.
ALL the help is really and truly appreciated. Sincerely!
It's hard to say where to start unless you can identify exactly where the problem is, and that just comes with experimenting. Normally I'll just drive a car with the stock setup and make changes as I see fit, and once I identify things that work on a lot of cars, I use those as a new starting point.
Recognizing how the car feels with each change is something that comes with time and practice. The easiest way to see differences is making big changes. When there's no telemetry to use, sometimes that's your only option!
I'm not an expert, but I would start with the transmission as you want good gears, and modifying them can change the car behavior. Then adapt the suspension and differential to the car handling with the new gears. I guess that's the best way
As far as where to start tuning (assuming you can only change one or two things), I recommend reducing weight first. Lower weight will benefit acceleration, braking, and cornering.
The next would be tires, as they will benefit all three as well.
I've won many races using considerably less power than the other cars by simply reducing weight and upgrading tires. This can be very helpful in races with limited PP.
Awesome guide. It's helped me a lot on how to understand the way I drive in GT7.
Great video, going to try that! Thanks!
What a great video, man. It really help me to understand how to extract the full performance of my cars. Thanks!
Your tuning guides and explanation are awesome! I had absolutly no idea how to win some curcuit events like the touring car 700 events. My best attempt in Brands Hatch with the Mustang GT4 was finishing 3rd about 8sec behind the leader. But after watching your guide and adujsting the suspension accordingly I suddenly was able to win with a lead of 8sec. That is 16sec faster! And I haven´t touched camber, toe and roll bars yet. Looking foreward for more tuning guides!
Great stuff...learned allot.
Been playing since GT5 this video helped a lot. I combine entry oversteer (to aim my turn) with exit under steer (to slam on the throttle once I’m aimed in the right angle). I do this with controller and FR cars. Still testing AWD AND FR cars. Thanks for the video brother. Someone finally simplified it for me lol.
Still testing AWD and FF cars*****
I wish I could like this more than once. please keep doing more
Thank you so much. Wish I saw this a year ago. Found a full second on my FL just with a better understanding of damper set up.
Thank you for this video
I think your vids are epic, perfect balance of geekery and practical knowledge. So thank you for that!
I have a suggestion for a series you could do. Taking cars that have particularly bad handling characteristics and doing your magic to tame them. Examples that standout for me would be the Ford Mustang GT '15 and the Porsche 911 one of the road cars, also their is an NSX model that is like a petulant child. Would love to see that. Harmonic you are a Legend!
Thank you so much for this
Love the Physics formulas!
Thanx great video 👊🏾
Thank you for your good work helped me loads this is a fantastic video easy to under stand and explained in a good way give us more.
Awesome 👍🏻 subscribed 🥇
thanks for all the tips, i will use it properly :D
Great content mate 👍🏼
Understood everything. Keen to try out some new ideas.
Dude this is SO good and SO much info I’ve got ma pen and notebook to jot this stuff down for quick reference. It’s literally eliminating “common traits” associated with certain makes and with issues that are just frustrating to understand
GUD STUFF BUDDY!!! TY!!! I ALWAYS LOVE LEARNING AND U R A GREAT TEACHER!!!
this is a great vid - thakn you
bruh this was so useful!!!!!!!
i just came here to learn how to tune my suspension now i’m enrolled at Stanford taking advances physics
Perfect video to fall asleep to. Useful enough that I want to know, boring enough to put me to sleep. And sleeping after learning information helps you remember it, so goodnight and thanks cause I meant that in the best way 👍
Lol that was my last night,, got me sleeping half way through t video, now it’s morning and watching it again lol
Thank you good sir!.
I’ve spent probably over 200 hours trying to tune in this game. It’s nothing like gt sport, it’s like they didn’t even try to give the cars a base tune when you bought the upgraded parts, they just sent us to the wolfs with no help. This video helps a ton.
Your videos are super knowledgeable and crisp, please make one for differential gear section.
Great description using hooked law and real physics 👏 👏👏👏
Thanks for making this video. I'm always left unsure how the dampers impact the car's handling as the in-game explanation isn't detailed enough for me. On a sidenote, video tuning guides like this remind me of the Gran Turismo 5 days where someone did pretty much the same thing. I think the person who did it was oinkoink or something like that. Anyway, I'll definitely wait for the next part as I'm still learning how to tweak the suspension settings.
my brain wasn't ready for this video haha
Thank you sir
A 22 minute video that basically just tells me to guess and check
Awesome video. Much appreciated
You gave me a lot to work with. I want to be a faster driver. This will help for sure
finaly someone who knows how important suspence, camber, toe angle and diff. setting are.
Any chance on getting an updated version of this? The physics/tuning have changed quite drastically since this was made.
You my friend, just gain a like and subscription from me. Excellent content, great job! Keep it up!
If you think this is boring you shouldnt be here... just putting that out there. Much love!!
Thank you
Awesome video, but very difficult to digest in one sitting. I'll be watching this s good few times I think. Thanks for your efforts
Really love your videos your explanations are so in depth and on point how I like to learn definitely the most helpful video I've found can't wait for the next ones u do on tuning....
One thing though I'm kind of slow at math so I'm not sure what kind of math you were showing I know it might be much to ask but could you make a dummies version of this??? I really really like what your doing here just a bit lost when it came to the math lol... guess I could always use a calculator but I'm not even sure how to figure it out lol. Sorry not trying to negative or anything just trying to understand so I can actually tune my cars to my liking lol
The math isn't important for tuning. The point of the math was to show that natural frequency takes the weight and spring rates of your car into account, so you don't have to worry about figuring out a bunch of different numbers - the number system is the same for every car.
@@Harmonic14 ahhh okay thank you bro your so helpful I hope that your channel can eventually grow to be one of the biggest turismo channels thank you so much for the help 😀 👍
yessssssssssssss i need to learn suspension
Thank you for this! I've been doing setups for years and still realize I'm learning how things work on a race car.
Starting from 14:34, everything you showed and said was really, really helpful.
ESPECIALLY the parts about damper settings, I'll have to watch it a few times and build my own cheat sheet from it.
I really like what you do with your videos! The help you give can be used and applied in any kind of racing sim/game with tuning elements
I wish Grant Turismo gave us telemetry like Project Cars and even FH5 have
Really good I didn't understand a word of it especially the math and formulas part but that's because I'm an idiot,, I'll have to watch it again since I want to learn to tune better though. But keep up the content it's really good
You have the best tuning videos!. I've improved my tuning greatly from these videos.
One thing I can never get right is the order I tune my cars. I usually start by putting all the upgrades I want on. Then I'll start with ride height. Move to lsd...go to suspension and start messing around with cambers etc. Then I'll do downforce then last gearing. My problem is I'm allways going back because I'm never satisfied, and it makes my tuning very frustrating. It seems I am allways going back to ride height and needing to add more power, I seem to allways get my cars hadling better at a higher ride height. Especially braking performance...it's tough tuning.
Do you have any advice for me to perfect my craft? What order do you tune your cars in... I would love to see you do a full breakdown on tuning a car from 100% stock to raceday. I'm wondering what I can do to prevent me from allways going back and changing my tunes.
Love the videos man, keep up the great work
Thank you for a good in depth tutorial on suspension tuning in GT7.
One question though about damper adjustment for under- and oversteer when braking.
I might be misunderstanding your explanation. But I find that adjusting the rear rebound works the opposite of what I interpreted from the video.
E.g. your car is understeering during braking. Because of the weight transfer towards the front. Stiffening the rebound on the rear will slow the extension of the rear springs. Then the rear tires have less friction. Making the rear slip a little bit and turning easier.
YES.
I feel like a scientist after watching this video
great video! can you explain what you meant @ 15:54 about the risk of "bottoming out" if the natural frequency is set too stiff? i thought earlier in the video you mentioned that higher natural frequencies can fix the problem of the car bottoming out (e.g. the front squatting so hard under braking that the suspension compresses 100% to the 'stops' or the front bumper hits the ground) which does make sense to me.
I'm talking about softer frequencies there. Start it again at 15:49 and it should line up with earlier in the video 👍
@@Harmonic14 duhhh, sorry about that! :)
I always tune all my cars for that maximum solid axle jackdown effect