This is Why You Keeping Spinning in Gran Turismo 7
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2022
- One of GT7's biggest issues is throttle oversteer. We show you how to tune any car to overcome this WITHOUT using traction control.
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5:19 NOTE that for some cars, making the car too low can cause understeer, due to your wheels grazing the wheel arch
Nissan Skyline R32 being one, it’s a great car when set up correctly, horrible at turning in if it’s set too low.
@@Nick-Emery run more chamber to compensate.
I learned this the hard way!!🤦🏾♂️
@@VeryIntellijent yeah that’s the track I use to see if they turn or not.
@@Nick-Emery how low should it be?
I still think that not being able to easily share tunes like in forza is a big problem, kaz says he wants all players to learn to tune but I’d say the vast majority of players just want to hop in and race
It’s a bit more of a sim than Forza so yeah it’s not much of a hop in and race type of game
because the tuning isn’t elaborated to where people with no real car knowledge gets it, but definitely the worst thing about it is that it’s not encouraged enough to where people wanna try it, all people know is PP being so used to arcade races where more points mean better, i still catch myself thinking that way and end up with a crazy fast car with no handling at high speeds, i think they should’ve forced the tuning aspect like having us add downforce, adjust dampening ect, because to someone even like me it can be extremely overwhelming to where you just settle for the highest PP n call it a day
also no test mode before it’s actually added, i’ll have a good tune and ruin it because i have confidence in what i did and now my car has extreme understeer, definitely should’ve made test runs a thing
There's a time trial option. What are you talking about?
@@J.Gainez copy the settings sheet and make changes on there.
Keep in mind that you can also rob yourself of speed out of the corners by setting the acceleration sensitivity too low. A more open differential essentially limits the power to the tire with the most grip based on the tire with less grip. (It's more complicated than that, but that's the end result) This means the car won't accelerate as hard while turning, and will struggle to rotate on the throttle. This is why pro setups tend to use higher acceleration sensitivity (IRL= lower angle). They have the driving technique and throttle control to use it to their advantage. They usually try to get the car rotated as quickly as possible while being in control and not losing speed (like in a drift). The earlier they can get the car rotated, the earlier they can open the steering and straighten the car out. With a higher diff acceleration sensitivity, setting the diff will lock earlier and they will have more torque available to accelerate onto the straight. As with all settings, it's about finding the proper balance depending on the driver, car, track, and conditions. Also, GT's settings and physics may work a little different. They have a setting for sensitivity (angle), and initial torque (preload), but not locking strength (number of plates), so I'm not sure if that is combined into other settings.
For anyone who wants to better understand how differentials work, Donut Media did a great video on torque vectoring, and they have another all about diffs too I believe:
ruclips.net/video/iIBmJVV0zjw/видео.html
Disclaimer: I'm just beginning to understand this stuff myself. So if I got something wrong, please correct me.
nice info m8 explained it very well so far i have not seen so much info on any youtube channel
and plz can u make me understand the difference on lower ride highs in front and higher in rear or vice versa effect the handling
and same with damper and other suspension settings.
i want to wright it down on some paper and hang it on my wall to get better at tuning my self i forget to quick. thanks 😂
@@rinkumultani6515 Thanks. You are talking about rake; the angle the car sits at. It's a good way to tune out slight under or oversteer. Raising the rear will shift the weight forward, moving the balance toward oversteer. Lowering the rear does the opposite. However, when aerodynamics get involved it gets more complicated. raising the rear will increase the angle of the wings, so you may end up getting more rear grip in high speed corners, and less is slow corners. Lowering the rear will decrease the wing angle so you'll get less grip in fast corners, and but more in slow ones. Front ride height is usually just set as low as you can without bottoming out or limiting the suspension travel too much. Again, I'm not an expert, and the physics in GT may not fully follow real life.
Dampers can be adjusted based on feel, but getting them really dialed usually requires telemetry and knowing how to read it. You can usually get the car feeling pretty good just using wing, ARB, ride height, diff, and brake bias settings. The tough thing about GT is they give you a lot of settings but you don't get a baseline setup with them.
I'd look around online and see if you can find decent baselines, then tweak them to your style.
@@angryginger791 yes i wish gt game did hade some telemetry like pc sim games :(
This was exactly what I was thinking when he was lowering it. I would think you would set low, but keep it high enough to where you don’t get excessive under steer or oversteer. All depending on the driver and the car of course.
@@rinkumultani6515 I think they did have it in the old versions. I'm not sure why it's not in the new versions. I hope they add it eventually.
one thing to note is that raising the acceleration sensitivity in the rear increases on throttle rotation at high speed. I find cars with more than enough tire as well as aero can sometimes benefit from the higher accel setting, but 90% of road cars above 400hp and race cars with the harder compound of tire, its better to run it lower. great video
Although a lot better than it was in GT Sport, the tire physics still seem like the main issue. Tire grip just feels way too digital, it's almost like it's either on or off and you can't play with the car over the limit as much as you can in real life. I really hope they improve it with their partnership with Michelin
Gt tires always sucked.
I love how when you break traction the car will continue sliding right down to like 1km/hr. Like as soon as you break traction you’re driving on ice and there is no recovering of traction until you stop completely.
In all honesty codemasters could teach pd and kaz a thing or 2, the tyre physics in dirt rally 2 are spot on and as close to real life as they get, if they actually bothered to make a proper sim they'd blow the gt franchise into the weeds
If you know what a floating cross shaft differential is or looks like, it makes tuning differentials so much easier in this game to understand in terms of the function/parameters. The initial torque is the bite of the clutch plates, that in turn are receiving the amount of torque under accel or decel based on the ramp angles of the cross shaft beds. Nice video. I have noticed that this game is specifically unique in that assumptive tuning methods of previous titles goes out the window. You can bottom out, have too hard or suspension, too low of suspension, too high even.... dampening is something you'll want to take a look at soon as you apply downforce.....
Thanks Ermin! Between these settings and adding some ballast to the front of my '81 911, I finally have some confidence to take it into a corner without the rear end trying to pass me on the next straight!
You have many ways to deal with this problem. You can also put ballast to the rear.
But the physics are strange! The snaps are very sudden and the damping on the wheel is just stupid!
Legend! Love your commentator passion as your explaining things. Clear information delivery. Can't wait to start tinkering with an excessively snappy s13 and mach1 mustang I've built.
Also, you can run a Torsen differential (sort of) by giving zero preload and about 40% accel and 40% decel for a 3:1 TBR
I heard people said putting ballast on front will reduce snap oversteer but in reality it won't do anything other than adding extra weight - except for rear engine Porsches because the ballast will act as a counter balance for weight distribution.
I always suspect it was the LSD, and you helped me realize that. Thank you mate.
Great video bro. Never really messed with the lsd but man, it’s crazy how much the cars stability changes
Thank you so much! I've been googling all over to be taught what I can do to stop the massive snap oversteer moments.
Digging the Northlane intro! You're now my new favourite master engineer
Awesome vid, as always. I like the physics in this game for the most part, but I do feel like I had to relearn a few things. Cheers!
I feel the same too
I agree, going from GT:S to GT7, you really do need more precision while racing.
I was thinking the same thing when I was doing the license test and the Z had this crazy snap oversteer. I had a G35 and would've crashed it if it drove like that 🤣
Different but not better. Certain physics are just stupid that even sim games assetto corsa don't even have.
@@mrshab Hi! After plugging in a bit more track time since this post, I definitely agree… Different; not necessarily better. Though, for me (and my driving style…), It’s definitely better in some aspects. I’ve noticed spots where in GT sport, I could not correct after making any kind of an error coming out of a turn… As opposed to GT7 where I actually can make corrections and get myself (in that similar situation). I digress; I will definitely agree with you there… Different, but maybe not necessarily overall “better“.
Cheers!
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One thing to note about suspension settings is that on some cars you can actually make the car too low and limit steering angle. R32 gtr is an example of this, so some trial and error is neccessary
This has been really useful to watch i can't wait to get home and try it out. I have a pretty decent tune on ng carrera RS but this will surely take it to the next level. I do wish you went into more how the front diff affects turn in and exit specifically but great job otherwise.
love these kind of videos, even if i don't have a ps4/5 it's so interesting to see you using your knowledge to help everyone!
Thanks man! Very informative. I've been trying to get the tail end of the RX-Vision under control and I'll try adjusting LSD settings right now!
Car: - oversteer a little bit -
Ermin: MASSIVE OVERSTEER HERE !!!1!!1!1! 🤣
You must have never driven these road cars on a wheel. These "small" oversteer moments only look that way bc his counter steering is really f-ing good. He's making saving the car look really easy here.
Great material. Very informative. Great for single player content. Obviously with the BoP all we can do is wish we could make adjustments as we oversteer to our doom.
Massive Snap!! Lol, Thanks for the highly entertaining and informative video Ermin! I completely agree, physics took a step backwards in oversteer as compared to GT Sport. Fingers crossed they sort it out.
Thanks again for the great content, I'm subscribed!
I appreciated this vid and your experiments with suspension and balance of the cars.
I wanna know, how did you turn off the yellow hit markers on the entries and apex of the turns?
I disagree with some of these, it seems like no one knows how to tune in this game tbh
This worked a treat on my WRX STI! It drives like a dream now. Thanks heaps man!
Dude... this is such a great video. It turned my Camaro ZL1 into a corner eating monster. Thanks for posting this!
Funny you mentioned the Porsche gt3. I'm no the most hard-core of Sim players... but I did notice oversteered like a mad man. Still had fun with it though
Now try this in a RWD with 900hp
I am currently trying to modify a 1000hp f8 tributo
For real, I’ve been trying to get my camero with 950 hp to do a lap at trial mountain without spinning
Exactly this video is bias dude is using a 4wd focus
Yeah my AMG GT Black series could use a little love
Hint: key to not spinning out is throttle control
Thanks for the video, I found it really helpful. Just wondering though if there's a way to prevent the American cars like Mustangs, Corvettes and Camaros from spinning out as you can't buy the fully customisable differential for all of them?
Thank you for the deep experimenting! I might try along the lines of your tune for the online championship races that allow tuning.
This also reinforced my thoughts of not falling for higher PP in tuning hahaha! More PP might actually be worse as your car may over rotate on some tracks with altered but wrong settings. I noticed that understeer-bias tuning lowers the PP versus oversteer-bias.
This video is truly BRILLIANT! I have a Logitech G27 for my PC, but it's annoyingly not compatible with my PS4, so I'm stuck with a controller. GT7 is a handful on controller (pun intended). This is a literal game changer. Thank you so much for sharing!
I still have zero idea what the Initial Torque setting for the diff even does, coming from diff-tuning in Forza which essentially just has the other two but phrased differently. And it's even weirder, because fully-locking the diffs on acceleration is what you want to be doing in Forza, at least until you reach S2 or you're only running two-wheel drive in which case you drop it right to the middle setting for the most part.
Before this video, what I always did for cars with diffs on this was change them back to 10-40-20, which was what the defaults for it were in GT2 (and probably other games in the series as well), and that did help a bit. Should be interesting to see how this video's ideas play out in practice.
In NASCAR SimRacing, you can drift those things quite a bit over the theoretical limit and the lack of grip seems to reduce the slip angle back to the limit. You'll get so comfortable driving the car sideways that you *will* eventually overdo it and spin out.
Not sure why it took RUclips this long to recommend your channel, but subbed. Nice edit and explanation of whats happening.
Thanks for the info!
I'm trying to fix this problem at the moment. Very useful!
Subbed 👍
Great video. Can you do one specific to front and rear drive cars? My S15 and M4 are very snappy to the point that I now refuse to race them but if I knew how to tune even just the diff right it would help me.
Thanks dude, these settings actually helped stabilize my old mustang boss 429. Did my best time, too.
never thought i would hear a Northlane sample on a racing sim channel, instant sub!
There is an absolutely big problem with the tire model about the slip angle and the grip under different vertical pressure.
Driving fast (and trying having fun) with the G29 is simply a nightmare...
@@patf40 I am driving with T300. There are more details, and you know the tire dynamics is absolutely wrong.
You could also adjust the body height to give the car some rake for better turn in and weight transfer when braking
I never thought to try minimum accel sensitivity in GT 7 to get stability. But also low antiroll settings with race tires can also cause snappy performance.
Great video, was wondering why the hell the cars felt worse after upgrading parts of the car and now makes sense.
I want to love my 73’ BMW CSL but it’s almost undrivable when fully tuned, I can’t tune out the snap for love nor money… now it just sits there not getting driven… the 89’ E30 m3 however is an absolutely beautifully balanced car!
You changed the diff distribution to 50/50 from the previous rear biased setting then blame the under steer on the suspension change. One change at a time right?
Great vid! Cheers dude 👍
I'm currently stuck on the porsche cup challenge tracks because I have to drive the Porsche 911's and I'm sooo happy to hear that this is a genuine issue and not just that I don't know how to control the car. I'm definitely going to be taking the advice on board and re-tuning it before my next attempt.
Used the advice in this video and a few others and managed to tune a wonderful 911 for those races. Good luck!
Install 3rd stage weight reduction then install a ballast and put all in the front, it helped my 911 turbo be more stable overall
Those were definitely a challenge! My solution was to install the custom transmission and widen out the gears so that it was putting power down less aggressively when I stepped on the gas. Also set TC to 1.
Thanks for all the advice! Never would have thought to put more weight on the car.
I had to turn the difficulty down to medium, no way was I going to shave 5 seconds a lap off my times but managed to get through it now. Truly hate this car 😄
hello,
would you be doing another video regarding lsd? update 1.20 seems to have made changes to the effectiveness of lsd and it would be nice to see what works best. i used your settings as a starting point for many cars and had great results.
Two thumbs up for this! You are the only one that is talking about this and its GT7s biggest issue. This game doesn't feel like Gran Turismo anymore.
A tip for suspension height: some cars, if you slam the suspension all the way down you’ll lose your turning radius, meaning you won’t get the entire rotational degrees of your tires. Do this through time trial, getting lower and lower until you can’t turn your tires completely anymore
Thanks dude! Now I know how to fix my McLaren from spinning out on turns!
Very good explanation, it works for me, thanks 👌
this is great. Can you make a video regarding manual transmission? i watched some on other games and whatever is on yt but I still don't get it. I get some good tunes by accident but i dont get it
I have some questions. This tune you were doing works roughly the same on FR and MR cars, yes? Also......Is it a fair thing to say that the Wheel/Pedal setup is probably a better way to control throttle input and braking? I think I may be at the limit of my controller, and I am really starting to think that I need a wheel.
Is there a setup for the RWD/FWD cars I noticed your setup was for AWD cars? Great video by the way 😍👍🏿
Thank you, even tho I’ve been able to adjust my driving to the new physics this info is valuable
I like using the Jaguar type r (I think). With traction control off I can almost never get near full throttle unless I'm going straight fast. This video definitely helping me understanding the tuning better
Looking forward to the controller and wheel comparison.
So far I feel like every challenge is easier with the controller, especially snap oversteer moments... - running a g29 wheel though so it could be different on a fanatec.
Great tips in this video btw!
I have fanatec DD PRO and Drifting is miserable. For the love of God I can't drift using my wheel. On controler though it's a breeze. Myabe it's has something to do with my pedals being stock and not load cell which may help to throttle more accurately. On dirt tracks however drifting with a wheel is much easier and fun tho. Miata cone challenge with wheel is also impossible for me but easy with controller. With oversteer it's actually pretyy funny because i tested it in asseto corsa on PC and it's way easier to me drive than GT7. There is also way easier trick to handle oversteer. Turning countersteer assist on weak makes cars much more responsive so it's up to your preference. Either tune the car like above or just turno n countersteer assist
For me it depends what I prefer, the wheel seems faster for me but the lack of force feedback the game has is a massive dissapointment. The game game literally has none and I had expected atleast pc1 levels or something which would've been great.
You doing good, my dude!? You out of AU and settled in? Your content keeps getting better and better.
I’m fairly new to GT and partial to the AMG, Porsche. Any advice on proper tuning for these cars? Thanks.
I’m subbing to your channel you just fixed my GR Yaris from sliding all over the road. Right on to a real 1
Really helpful thanks..can you also do a setup tutorial for a 4WD plz
A Very good tip! Go and look into the race Cars how low they are, how much Aero dynamic they have, which Suspension settings they have... If you are a Rookie to tuning, just more or less copying one of the race car tunes will leave you with a very decent tune. That's how I started tuning my car's in GT year's ago before I learned to really understand the tuning
Great video.
I have a challenge for you if you can.
I tried a lot of tunes on mazda rx500 but the car is unstable under breaking on le mans at top speed What can I do to stop it?
Can you do a video of that car?
Thanks
I love your videos
Can't HAMMER DAHN off the corners like you use to in sport and previous Gran Turismo games. Its all about car set ups and tunes. And I love it!
I haven’t really messed around with any tunes and a lot of my cars are hard to control. Can you apply these settings to most cars or is this just suited to the focus RS
If you lower the car to minimum you are rubbing the tires, reducing maximum turn-in in steep corners.
Depends on the car
great vid, thanks for the good tips 👍
Thanks for that informative Video Ermin, I will use that as a starting Point to get my hands on the tuning part of that Game ;) May I ask you if it is possible for you to share your wheel settings, that you use on your ddPro WheelBase? That would be great, thanks in advance and have a nice one :D
Hell I use some Ballast on the Porsche as well. Little weight helps and tweaking the settings is huge. But yeah the physics right now needs a little help, but I will say this its fun to get the tune right.
Finaly a youtuber talkes about the freaking physics and the oversteer and understeer
SUBBED! GREAT CONTENT!
Teach them, you remind me of my younger self playing the first gran turismo and gran turismo 2
Buying GT7 today for PS4, can't wait anymore for a PS5. Hoping to use all of your advice for the best experience.
Didn't work with the older stuff polyphony need to sort the steering sensitivity especially on the old cars. Was turning in at the hairpin in my tuned mustang 429 and full lock going less than 40kph still under steered right into the wall. Even if I took a wider line and used the throttle to get me around it still skimmed the wall. Same thing with my tuned 3l csl.
That northlane intro tho 🔥
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So I have a Corvette that I built and it has a 1060 horsepower, with traction control on five the wheels still spin out, will this method fix that issue?
Have you tried your setup with a controller yet? If I lower my Focus as low as you suggest, I don't get to full steering lock in turns.
Wait so can we still use this in sport mode with BoP turned on? (First year playing gran turismo so sorry if this is a bad question)
Im kinda new and learning how to tune properly. Now i came up with the question: "what exactly is the difference between lsd and traction control?" Kinda seems to do the same thing to me
It's important to note removing the snap oversteer isn't meant to just marginally improve map time, but it makes it so much easier to race consistently for longer
My customisable diffentail doesn’t have the torque vectoring centre differential.
Does anyone know if the Thrustmaster TM Rally just the Wheel Rim would fit the Fanatec Universal Hub ??
@Ermin HamSandwich do you feel that Polyphony will catch these omissions to vehicle dynamics and patch them in? I hope they're watching yours and videos like this to help improve the game. Thank you for this most useful info!
I don't know what level of involvement Polyphony have with their community. I've not been in this ecosystem since the original game in the late 90s, so it's hard to say. We can only hope.
@@Ermz I definitely hope. I have been a casual player of this game since 1997, however am very knowledgable about cars and used to work in the business. This characteristic you pointed out, while it has a solution to overcome it, makes this a major deal. Most people won;t know what or why it is happening. This can reduce the enjoyment of the realism this game is supposed to convey.
I suck at tuning honestly, that made the Porsche part of the cafe very hard. The Nurburgring race in specific. I ended up buying the car instead and i was using G29 wheel.
This video answers why I was oversteering like crazy even for a 50:50 4WD
Watch out in GT7 you can make your car too low, use the replay function in time trials to take a look at the front outside wheel in a hairpin to fine tune the ride height
i'm not a car gamer.. or a gamer at all. but i am a car nut, and with the torque vectoring changing the ratios to 50/50 is something that creates huge understeer, car manufactors use the rear bias to make the car turn. 50/50 is usually a set up used in trucks with locked transfer cases
Yes, which is why GT7 is so far off-base.
can we ajust all the car the same way or it is different for all the car
very handy. thank you so much.
Ermin, once it happens you counter oversteer extremely well. Could you do a tutorial video on your technique?
Fantastic video! This is exactly what I’ve been looking for referencing the tuning aspect. I’ve had voiced my opinion on the physics to the gt groups but I just get shunned for my opinion… A+ driver told I can’t drive by B dr drivers 🤦♂️. The game is for the most part awesome, but the one thing it seems everyone wants to pretend isn’t actually there or a issue at all(I can’t drive responses) is the ungodly amount of snap oversteer there is and it’s with every single car on gt7. Some cars it’s so bad that they aren’t even drivable or competitive in their class.
I get it that the tuning bunny’s are all for this physics flaw and it benefits them… but vast majority don’t know how to tune and then theirs the ones that find ways to manipulate the algorithm or play with certain adjustments to get unrealistic characteristics out the car. So in short, tuning races just become a bop no tune after everyone just copies and paste the same tune to remain competitive in gt7
I’ve noticed it in some cars in a way it doesn’t make much since, but other cars have zero issues for me… I’m running on a controller so I tend to use 1 level of traction control, but even still some cars end up uncontrollably loose, though I’ve found that to mostly be upgraded street cars, not (most) of the Gr4 and Gr3 cars. I’m glad the Gr3/4 cars don’t seem to be hurt as much since you can’t find the cars for the sport championship races.
@@calebnation6155 all my street cars are really good like the skylines and evos the sti and the Hondas are really good too I have some fast tunes and it’s all been realistic I haven’t found anything that breaks the game
I'm confused u dialed in a bunch of camber for the focus
But the mustang u took it out ??
When are you gonna try out the new ACC car pack?
What settings are recommended for the sprinter trueno?
I’m trying to learn how to do the drag races…. I always spin out and the car goes off track
I actually thought it was the gravity physics that is lacking..proof is the silly jumps going hectic..
So less gravity = less grip = crazy spinning out. Its like less down force ..but even at slower speeds
Edit: it may be a "torque" effect...requiring player to use analogue stick to correct the steering jitters that one would encounter. Problem is..its stupid to deploy them on a controller analogue stick. In a real wheel, you simply hold the wheel tighter or make minor adjustments.
I can see that. For some reason in this game, I feel like you need an unrealistic amount of downforce to keep your car planted.
YES! Thank You!
You want Softer rear springs, and damping compression around 10 points softer in the rear
Thanks for this
After you lower the ride height to min., haven't you listen the car have some noise?