Obi-Wan Kenobi: Episodes 1-4 - re:View

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
  • Mike decides to see what Obi-Wan is all about. Expecting to see a show about a night club set in the world of Indiana Jones, he's sorely disappointed to find out the show is about "Star Wars". However, after watching a few episodes... he's intrigued. It's not as bad as Star Trek: Picard. The show seems somewhat competent? it's thought out with some basis of logic on what an audience might want? Mike cannot believe his eyes. A show that didn't get totally screwed up? What gives? How did this happen? Sure, it ain't the greatest thing ever, but they tried their best and it's not too bad. Mike then recruits his stupid friends Rich and Jay to watch the show as well.
    Additionally, for those who have watched until the end and might be confused... Mike's analogy about "A Christmas Story" means that you religiously watch a show to the end and strung along only for it to end in disappointment. It does not mean it ends in an advertisement necessarily.... Just a huge disappointment. Hence forth this shall be known in internet slang as being "Ovaltine'd". Thank you and good night.

Комментарии • 8 тыс.

  • @OkMakuTree
    @OkMakuTree 2 года назад +5279

    Much like how the Empire tortured Jedi until they became inquisitors, Star Trek Picard tortured Rich and Mike until they became fans of Kenobi

    • @Jim-yl6tf
      @Jim-yl6tf 2 года назад

      Their hack fraud failure is now complete

    • @Jim-yl6tf
      @Jim-yl6tf 2 года назад +317

      I think it's clear now that Jay is a vampire and he gets younger every year because he's draining the life essence out of Rich and Mike

    • @DemonBlanka
      @DemonBlanka 2 года назад +87

      Its like poetry, it rhymes

    • @robertcoyle6798
      @robertcoyle6798 2 года назад +61

      @@Jim-yl6tf Jesus, I read your comment then looked back up while the video was playing at 2.50 and thought Jay had suddenly revealed his vampire powers to drag the soul out of Rich's body.

    • @cableroyson9992
      @cableroyson9992 2 года назад +36

      It’s stylistically designed to be that way.

  • @ens0246
    @ens0246 2 года назад +2680

    The whole review felt like Jay trying to convince his friends they're joining a cult and the friends doing mental gymnastics to reason why they aren't joining a cult.

    • @johnaylward2015
      @johnaylward2015 2 года назад +285

      Cults work best when people are at their worst. Mike and Rich will be at their worst for awhile because of Star Trek: Picard.

    • @LouSassol69er
      @LouSassol69er 2 года назад +102

      ​@@johnaylward2015 Picard has ruined them lol

    • @theapocalyvid
      @theapocalyvid 2 года назад +88

      People are most likely to join cults when they are at their most emotionally vulnerable part of their lives. It appears Star Trek: Picard brought Mike and Rich to that point.

    • @allydoodah
      @allydoodah 2 года назад +5

      This is so accurate

    • @necromorph1109
      @necromorph1109 2 года назад +2

      He is right.

  • @bigturkey2731
    @bigturkey2731 2 года назад +859

    In these videos Jay always looks like a home care assistant awkwardly speaking to his two elderly patients about their youth

  • @JohnLutherable
    @JohnLutherable 2 года назад +811

    the Leia chase scene was possibly the worst "action" scene filmed in recent times, like you see the chasers literally slowing down to let the child outrun them

    • @SilentSolvent
      @SilentSolvent 2 года назад +68

      fr some lifetime movie shit lmao

    • @brad5426
      @brad5426 2 года назад +47

      You forget about the bike Boba chase scene in the BoB.

    • @SilentSolvent
      @SilentSolvent 2 года назад +31

      @@brad5426 that almost seems like intentional comedy it's so bad lmfao

    • @brad5426
      @brad5426 2 года назад +2

      @@SilentSolvent yeah haha

    • @reek4062
      @reek4062 Год назад +2

      I liked it

  • @zerocool5395
    @zerocool5395 2 года назад +875

    Everytime I see an announcement of a new show/movie (Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTR, Halo etc) I think of when Rich said "How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames" 🤣

    • @TanookiTex
      @TanookiTex 2 года назад +69

      Mike’s response is great too:
      “It feels great…”

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 2 года назад +5

      Top Comment 💯

    • @user-me7xe5kl6t
      @user-me7xe5kl6t 2 года назад +72

      Stop complaining and enjoy product and get excited for next product.

    • @ventarfield7115
      @ventarfield7115 2 года назад +13

      Heck ya. I dont even watch them anymore. I just wait for red letter crew to do it for me and tell me how to feel.

    • @rocko7711
      @rocko7711 2 года назад +1

      Totally

  • @MunchingSawdust23
    @MunchingSawdust23 2 года назад +691

    BASIL OREGANO! HE’S PRINCESS LEIA’S NON-BIOLOGICAL FATHER!
    is genuinely one of my favorite mike quotes and his callback to it made me smile

    • @GrayD_Fox
      @GrayD_Fox 2 года назад +115

      HE GOT BLOWED UP ON ALDERAN

    • @MariaIsabellaZNN
      @MariaIsabellaZNN 2 года назад +77

      MON MOTHMA'S BACK!

    • @DanCGe
      @DanCGe 2 года назад +62

      JIMMY SMITS!

    • @Avatar_of_Chairness
      @Avatar_of_Chairness 2 года назад +54

      I clapped! I clapped when he said that!!

    • @badmunny
      @badmunny 2 года назад +37

      It's the planet that got blowed up!

  • @retbookers
    @retbookers 2 года назад +1659

    Jay was hoping that Mike and Rich would join him in tearing through the show.
    But they subverted Jay's expectations, and he's now alone...in a dark void of dementia.

    • @AtomicVertigo_Comics
      @AtomicVertigo_Comics 2 года назад +10

      these comments are making me lose it 😹

    • @jayalger6990
      @jayalger6990 2 года назад +1

      sannio komi u

    • @jayalger6990
      @jayalger6990 2 года назад +1

      Ok

    • @jayalger6990
      @jayalger6990 2 года назад +1

      sannio komi po
      K pop ok

    • @alexhayden219
      @alexhayden219 2 года назад +30

      There were moments where it felt like Jay just didn't know what to say because he was caught in this conversation with his two friends that had clearly been off their space dementia meds and were almost unrecognizable in their own starved-for-sanity addled minds, sharing in their adjacent psychosis. It was sad, really. They're still fairly young, but they clearly need to be put into some sort of mentally deteriorated assisted living facility. It's just too much for Jay to care for them on his own.

  • @stever6606
    @stever6606 2 года назад +1702

    Don't forget they made a point to talk about Obi-Wan's brother. Expect a spinoff series about the brother he never knew called Obi-Two.

    • @zizoumonk10
      @zizoumonk10 2 года назад +101

      Also played by Ewan Macgregor

    • @Xpwnxage
      @Xpwnxage 2 года назад +174

      @@zizoumonk10 Played by Conor McGregor. He's the evil brother.

    • @apachehelicopter9032
      @apachehelicopter9032 2 года назад +97

      Played by Idris Elba but he's actually a trans woman in a force sensitive wheelchair

    • @MichaelVLang
      @MichaelVLang 2 года назад +6

      Wild Chet Kenobi, in Space.

    • @cuesheetssurkashyyyk1152
      @cuesheetssurkashyyyk1152 2 года назад +54

      Obie-Twice, real name, no gimmicks

  • @TripodThoughts
    @TripodThoughts 2 года назад +2605

    Jay's trying desperately not to let Mike and Rich unironically become part of The Nerd Crew.

    • @sammerry7706
      @sammerry7706 2 года назад +323

      They clapped, they clapped when it was practical affects.

    • @davidsakamoto9353
      @davidsakamoto9353 2 года назад +212

      @@sammerry7706 They clapped, they clapped when they didn't see Mustafar.

    • @aniyilator
      @aniyilator 2 года назад +44

      He's out here doing god's work

    • @k--music
      @k--music 2 года назад +133

      it's funny seeing this review after the millions of 'don't ask questions just consume' quote comments going around online about this show

    • @frankmerker630
      @frankmerker630 2 года назад +59

      I mean every compliment they gave it was completely back-handed but I mean if that was your take away from nerd crew then sure

  • @Star-uv8dm
    @Star-uv8dm 2 года назад +3680

    This was a terrifying look at late stage dementia. It’s all up to Jay now.

    • @megatom5
      @megatom5 2 года назад +237

      Jay IMO seems to have a better eye for art and a bigger concern for actual directing and style of something. Obi-wan might be one of the worst directed shows I've ever seen. Stuff like the sets and CGI all are solid, the acting is fine, and even the story isn't terrible, but goddamn I've never seen directing sink a show the way it has here. The action scenes are directed as Jay says clunky and awkward. There are some cool moments in this that should end up being a lot more fun but end up looking like a cheap ass fan film because it seems to be shot by an 80 year old with palsy.

    • @BlueisNotaWarmColour
      @BlueisNotaWarmColour 2 года назад +16

      *Star Trek: Picard

    • @hosaepalvin9795
      @hosaepalvin9795 2 года назад +46

      @@megatom5 The choreography and action editing to me is the worst part of it all, for disney a billion dollar corporation you’d think even for a Disney plus show they’d have those things up to standard but goddamn, with things like the fight at the last episode it’s so awkward, non impactful with the saber hits and maneuvers, and you could even see beats in the choreography where they both have an open shot to stab each other but just don’t.

    • @thesexyshark1646
      @thesexyshark1646 2 года назад +50

      @@megatom5 that Leia chase scene is one of the worst chase scenes I’ve ever seen in my entire life. Like laughably bad, I couldn’t believe that flew by a bunch of exec at a billion dollar company.
      I would disagree on the writing to a certain degree. The writing is pretty bad, but that’s because the show is structured like a feature length movie. Ep 1 feels like Act 1, the last ep feels like Act 3. Everything else in between is filler, legit eps 2-5 are the exact same. Obi goes to planet, he gets chased by inquisitors, he escapes, reva gets bashed for failing. And also it’s just weird this is the story they decided to tell for a obi wan Kenobi show, him helping Leia get home instead of something I don’t, more focused on Obi and Vader and the past you know, not this rescue mission.

    • @wwyd4akb
      @wwyd4akb 2 года назад +31

      @@thesexyshark1646 I think the writing is abysmal without regards to structure. Just what occurs and how characters act and react is impossibly stupid, the trenchcoat scene is the epitome of the shite-tower. Every character is 'selectively dumb' when the writers want them to be, Leia is apparently a savant at cold-reading/ employing force powers willy-nilly. A 10 year old does not outrun 3 grown adults in a relatively open forest, let alone three adults prepared for the child and seeking to capture her. Reva's entire character is Kylo 2.0 "she's angry", multiple people survive impaling with a PLASMA SWORD that emits enough heat to melt blast doors.
      Trash writing, with no understanding or appreciation of the lore, that actively makes the characters less capable simply because the writers are not interested in cohesive story, they just want to hit certain beats and move it down the production line.

  • @Pan_Z
    @Pan_Z 2 года назад +1594

    Mike & Rich are like two guys who were stranded in the wilderness for week, just happy to have clean drinking water again. Meanwhile, Jay is a guy wondering if two dishevelled men smiling about tab water are mentally sound.

    • @christopherlowery3797
      @christopherlowery3797 2 года назад +55

      Tab water sounds like a euphemism for liquid LSD

    • @Maxisamo1
      @Maxisamo1 2 года назад +36

      Fun fact, the only reason American tap water is consistently low in quality is because we all got duped into the Bottled Water industry.
      In other countries like Sweden, they mostly just drink tap and it's WAY higher in quality

    • @trazyntheinfinite9895
      @trazyntheinfinite9895 2 года назад +49

      @@Maxisamo1 also because europe and its northern ex wive in general has fucking STANDARDS, for piping and plumbing for example.

    • @Maxisamo1
      @Maxisamo1 2 года назад +15

      @@trazyntheinfinite9895 Well yeah just look at Flint Michigan, they STILL don't have proper drinking water

    • @justincoleman3805
      @justincoleman3805 2 года назад +11

      Tab is an underrated beverage.

  • @AAAAAAAA-ss6gn
    @AAAAAAAA-ss6gn 2 года назад +404

    "Darth Maul comes back for revenge and they have a showdown in Tatooine"
    Who's gonna tell him?...

    • @mousasha-
      @mousasha- Год назад +54

      Thing is they had like over a decade worth of actual good characterization for Maul and shown history between him and Obi Wan beyond phantom menace in the cartoons. That showdown was actually extremely tastefully done, the way they called back to the samurai stuff that inspired a lot of OT starwars and made it totally character driven. I genuinely love that showdown, some of the best Star Wars ever done. Shame Rebels didn't sustain that quality.

    • @russianoverkill3715
      @russianoverkill3715 7 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@mousasha-yeah, the only good part of Rebels.

    • @Blackmuseops
      @Blackmuseops 2 месяца назад +3

      ​@russianoverkill3715 As far as a kids` show goes, it was excellent

    • @thegreenestofmachines
      @thegreenestofmachines 2 месяца назад

      @@mousasha-nothing you said changes the fact that Darth maul was a stupid character who literally died like 50 times

    • @pinkloverprey
      @pinkloverprey Месяц назад +1

      @@thegreenestofmachineshe died once in phantom menace and then died for real in rebels?

  • @HybridSnake
    @HybridSnake 2 года назад +3569

    Picard really destroyed these men. It was so bad it broke them to a point where they don't care about anything anymore. You can feel jay wanting to scream inside every time they say Kenobi was okay LMAO. Eventhough he really doesn't care either, but I guess not watching Picard spared him.

    • @nutyyyy
      @nutyyyy 2 года назад +639

      I'm completely with Jay. He looks totally baffled at the two of them. It's like watching two guys with dementia.

    • @MrBazBake
      @MrBazBake 2 года назад +179

      I think they got so used to hating Picard they started hating it *because* it was Picard, and they were so happy to get a mainline shot of Star Wars straight no chaser they turned their brains off and decided not to hold it to the same standards with which they ripped the prequels.

    • @yagamifire7861
      @yagamifire7861 2 года назад +378

      Jay is the only one that has retained his sanity. Mike & Rich are totally broken. They're not even paying attention anymore.

    • @samuelrichards5521
      @samuelrichards5521 2 года назад +162

      I can’t believe I agree with Jay. We are in the darkest of timelines.

    • @Notsram77
      @Notsram77 2 года назад +156

      "It's a guilty pleasure without the guilt."
      No. You are guilty.

  • @lespaulnasty31
    @lespaulnasty31 2 года назад +324

    I love that the real duel that does happen between obi-wan and darth maul in rebels is exactly what Mike wants. It lasts 15 seconds. I love it it’s like a samurai movie.

    • @Horatio787
      @Horatio787 2 года назад +17

      If that's the ending of season 2 and then they stop making this show I would be so happy.

    • @annikinstarkiller600
      @annikinstarkiller600 2 года назад +16

      One of the best moments in Rebels

    • @astronautadejakku9699
      @astronautadejakku9699 2 года назад +24

      @@annikinstarkiller600 considering rebels is not a show that makes you think "good moments", them relaying on an old character was sadly a top moment

    • @ssznull3138
      @ssznull3138 2 года назад +24

      @@astronautadejakku9699 it’s a pretty good show actually. Glad they’re continuing the story in Ahsoka

    • @astronautadejakku9699
      @astronautadejakku9699 2 года назад +25

      @@ssznull3138 I did watch it. Mostly filler, that's the thing, it buries the good moments. Ahsoka is perfect and she belongs to animation. For as much as I've liked her since TCW I wasn't quite convinced with her appearance in Mando, sadly, especially since it clearly was fan service

  • @willemdafoeultrafan
    @willemdafoeultrafan 2 года назад +1411

    i like how Picard broke their minds so badly they thought Jurassic World Dominion was okay

    • @rory90FiVe
      @rory90FiVe 2 года назад +80

      Jay saying it's okay is concerning

    • @GavinAeilts
      @GavinAeilts 2 года назад +14

      @@rory90FiVe it was okay. It wasn't good, it was okay

    • @will88TFs4Life
      @will88TFs4Life 2 года назад +4

      @@rory90FiVe agreed

    • @enjoshi-godrez8775
      @enjoshi-godrez8775 2 года назад +27

      @@GavinAeilts no it was 3/10 = bad. "Ok" means above average which is 6/10. It in no way deserves that score

    • @oliverliu5065
      @oliverliu5065 2 года назад +8

      @@enjoshi-godrez8775 no dominion was more like Picard to me. It broke me.

  • @patchmo7
    @patchmo7 2 года назад +856

    "It's so cheap I'm happy with it" and "I prefer slow and awkward action." Are we sure Mike is okay

    • @RAN480L64
      @RAN480L64 2 года назад +67

      Picard broke his brain

    • @leob4403
      @leob4403 Год назад +25

      Are we sure you are okay? Did you ever hear about the original trilogy? It was cheap by comparison and the action was slow and awkward by comparison. But it still has far more charm. That is obviously the point they are making

    • @leob4403
      @leob4403 Год назад +3

      @@bilbobaggins9451 the same way mandalorian was credited for returning to the style of the OT. It has to do with filming everything on set pretty much, and not relying so heavily on CGI which made the prequels into a childish shit show, and sequels and Rogue One into a clusterfuck of rushed crap being thrown on the screen in a desperate attempt to create anything of substance (Rise of Skywalker being so rushed in the pacing its a prime example of how not to do world building. You have to give the world and lore a chance to breathe)

    • @leob4403
      @leob4403 Год назад +6

      @@bilbobaggins9451 dude after seeing the lava fight on mustafar I wanted to rip my eyes out. That childish cgi video game bullshit is so pathetic. Obi Wan get major props for SIMPLIFYING, thats the key right there. Just build real sets and make simple scenes, its astonishing how much better it automatically becomes by just following these simple rules. Does every stage look perfect? Of course not. But by God the relief of something simple in this world after the cgi fuckfest that was prequels and sequels, its like I could finally take a dump after a week of constipation, thats how I would describe it.

    • @leob4403
      @leob4403 Год назад +1

      @@bilbobaggins9451 what exactly do you mean by stagecraft? The sets in Obi Wan were rather inspired by the original trilogy I would say. Sure Vader has his throne on Mustafar or whatever, but its not displayed in this over the top fashion with silly cgi creatures and structures everywhere like in the prequels

  • @blakerierson3165
    @blakerierson3165 2 года назад +1699

    Mike and Rich's tolerance for clunky action is their Star Trek showing.

    • @nutyyyy
      @nutyyyy 2 года назад +179

      Yes. What they ignore is that stuff was clunky and cheap because it was cheap. This is Disney and they find a way to fuck it up. I agree the action shouldn't be over the top prequel style but it doesn't have to look so stupid and hilarious either. I'm with Jay I burst out laughing at the opening and remembered why I don't enjoy Star Wars.

    • @tomdijk5549
      @tomdijk5549 2 года назад +9

      @@nutyyyy go watch ep 5 vader vs reva fight around minute 30, actually dope. ep5 singlehandedly blew 1 to 4 out of the water in general

    • @pollertry4003
      @pollertry4003 2 года назад +43

      @@tomdijk5549 It was better but I thought that still looked pretty damn goofy

    • @koifish835
      @koifish835 2 года назад +18

      @@pollertry4003 In my opinion star wars has always had an inherent goofiness to it and for me it adds to the charm. It's all about striking the right balance.

    • @murphy7801
      @murphy7801 2 года назад +35

      It was cheap because probably had to pay Ewen McGregor a truck full of money since he is an actual actor.

  • @SupercutsDelight
    @SupercutsDelight 2 года назад +6386

    I'm loving the Mike and Rich character arc of becoming more and more cynical and jaded towards these franchises to the point where mediocrity is completely fine.

    • @cameronschmit6472
      @cameronschmit6472 2 года назад +199

      Really? I find their cynicism and bitterness really uninspired and exhausting. Like having a friend who doesn’t nothing but complain

    • @georgeha380
      @georgeha380 2 года назад +85

      The circle is now complete

    • @rogers4760
      @rogers4760 2 года назад +845

      @@cameronschmit6472 Uninspired and exhausting is how I would describe Disney shows.

    • @voltijuice8576
      @voltijuice8576 2 года назад

      @@georgeha380 - Just like Human Centipede

    • @DTKloves8
      @DTKloves8 2 года назад +146

      ​@@rainpuppies I mean Mandalorian season 1 and to a lesser extent season 2 are still some of the best Star Wars media out there. That being said Boba and Obi Wan have definitely made me fear the potential fate of season 3.

  • @oneinathousand2156
    @oneinathousand2156 2 года назад +295

    My prediction for the plot if they make a season 2:
    “Master Windu, how did you survive your fall?”
    “A good question, for another time.”

    • @yourbrainonegg159
      @yourbrainonegg159 2 года назад +42

      24 episode mace windu mini series arriving in 2024

    • @SomeOrangeCat
      @SomeOrangeCat 2 года назад

      "My Lightsaber is the one that says bad motherfucker!"

    • @Lemmiwings
      @Lemmiwings 2 года назад +30

      @@yourbrainonegg159 With CGI-face-Ai voice Samuel L. Jackson.

    • @ericseitzler81
      @ericseitzler81 2 года назад +13

      He always said he was desperate to play mace again so I'd say it's pretty likely.if palpatine can survive the fall in rotj then mace could too.

    • @711ramen
      @711ramen 2 года назад +7

      This godamn Disney machine churning out one endless multiverse after another.

  • @maxis2k
    @maxis2k 2 года назад +1688

    Disney finally succeeded in their ultimate goal. Break people until they will accept mediocrity. Even Mike and Rich.

    • @toddhowarddd
      @toddhowarddd 2 года назад +95

      I've said it for years disney just got really good at convincing people where the bar should be. Its just easier for them that way and they have been doing it for longer than you would think.

    • @geedee1264
      @geedee1264 2 года назад +53

      Capitalism brother, capitalism

    • @misapheonix
      @misapheonix 2 года назад +31

      That's the entire film industry, not just disney lol

    • @ShadeDraws
      @ShadeDraws 2 года назад +1

      @@geedee1264 ...what? lol Go cradle your copy of the Communist Manifesto because we know the commies produced immensely entertaining media. Jesus.

    • @lucamckenn5932
      @lucamckenn5932 2 года назад +30

      Disney succeeded at that in the early 90's. Ever since than every normie is foaming at the mouth for the latest Disney product. You don't have to try to achieve anything on your own talent, merit, or virtue, just splat that Disney logo and people start crying.

  • @BIGZAM0079
    @BIGZAM0079 2 года назад +378

    I love the "WRONG" stamp gimmick. Please don't stop that.

  • @PretzelsandNutz
    @PretzelsandNutz 2 года назад +254

    I love that after they killed the kids at the temple, they not only put every single one of them in amber, but kept their dumb training hats on. I giggled a bit seeing that shot.

    • @rwaters11
      @rwaters11 2 года назад +6

      Hahahahahaha

    • @rovhalt6650
      @rovhalt6650 2 года назад +10

      LOL that got me too

    • @gelraldoldo5152
      @gelraldoldo5152 2 года назад +8

      They had to reattach some of their limbs, but I think overall it worked out great

  • @AlexTaldren
    @AlexTaldren 2 года назад +2688

    It's confirmed. Jay is the only one we can trust on Star Wars now. He's the only one who hasn't succumbed to the brain damage from Star Trek Picard.

    • @samuelstephens6904
      @samuelstephens6904 2 года назад +75

      Mike and Rich already shared this attitude about Star Wars before _Picard_ though. The dynamic between their three opinions was exactly the same in their _Solo_ review. Mike and Rich thought it was “super okay” as just a small-scale adventure in the SW universe while Jay wasn’t as hot on it.

    • @SonnyViceR
      @SonnyViceR 2 года назад +106

      If you watch the Solo half in the bag, Rich and Mike were already slipping to the dark side

    • @mikececconi2677
      @mikececconi2677 2 года назад +179

      Jay has no sentimentality for anything other than body horror sex pervert movies and so the only thing he can be ruined by nostalgia on is, like, a David Lynch snuff film.

    • @sanguinus
      @sanguinus 2 года назад +91

      Jay's the key to all this.

    • @AlexTaldren
      @AlexTaldren 2 года назад +36

      I also don't blame Mike and Rich. They were brave to watch Picard...but this is what it cost us. I'm not sure if it was worth it.

  • @ApocalypseGuy1
    @ApocalypseGuy1 2 года назад +414

    My favorite moment is when Jimmy Smith just calls Obi Wan on the phone from another planet and they talk like it's nothing, yet in A New Hope Leia had to record a message and have it physically delivered via droid. Guess Obi Wan's camel ate the phone or something.

    • @gorlami9020
      @gorlami9020 2 года назад +39

      Lmfaoooooo didn’t even notice this

    • @analcommando1124
      @analcommando1124 2 года назад +53

      Fair point. But dont forget that between Episodes 3 and 4 the Emperor and Imperials power is growing. In Ep 4 you hear that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. So we know the power of the Imperials is extremely high in Ep 4.
      Plus Leia's ship was being pursued and sending any inter-galactic transmission would kinda be noticed by the Imperials. She had to manually get the information to Obi-Wan

    • @gorlami9020
      @gorlami9020 2 года назад +1

      @@analcommando1124 they absolutely hadn’t considered this in the writer’s room

    • @unbabunga229
      @unbabunga229 2 года назад +4

      Didn't spot that haha

    • @ApocalypseGuy1
      @ApocalypseGuy1 2 года назад

      @@analcommando1124 That's a lot of work to patch a plot hole that shouldn't have been there in the first place

  • @boomanchu2
    @boomanchu2 2 года назад +148

    "It's crap but it's not the flaming, nuclear white-hot septic tank that was Picard, therefore it's good!"
    ~Mike and Rich, victims of Stockholm Syndrome.

  • @michiganjack1337
    @michiganjack1337 2 года назад +428

    “Self inflicted television wound.”
    This type of off the cuff brilliance is what has kept me around for 11 years. 🤣

    • @Jim-yl6tf
      @Jim-yl6tf 2 года назад +6

      Get help

    • @magnopere
      @magnopere 2 года назад +18

      ​@@Jim-yl6tf it's super okay

    • @michiganjack1337
      @michiganjack1337 2 года назад +1

      @@Jim-yl6tf I did, but it wasn’t much help though. 🤕

  • @Rodrigo-uo9ww
    @Rodrigo-uo9ww 2 года назад +656

    My favorite scene in Kenobi was when Rich Evans showed up on Tatooine as an inquisitor and fought Obi-Wan with his big red lightsaber. I clapped when I saw that

    • @stevenlannister184
      @stevenlannister184 2 года назад +29

      I think him screaming "AT-STs" the whole scene was a little forced, even if he played it well.

    • @whenpigsfly8178
      @whenpigsfly8178 2 года назад +1

      @DONT WATCH MY VIDEO Don't stick around.

    • @chillinsquirtle
      @chillinsquirtle 2 года назад +2

      I thought the pilot the third sister killed in episode 3 was rich lol

    • @Hakumo84
      @Hakumo84 2 года назад +6

      That wasnt a lightsaber.
      Also that wasnt what you would call fighting.
      And no that gas station toilet wasnt Tatooine.

    • @pstamn0
      @pstamn0 2 года назад +4

      I cried butterfly tears

  • @coled2483
    @coled2483 2 года назад +327

    I'll always laugh at Jay during these. He just doesn't understand why Mike and Rich have so much emotion wrapped up in these franchises that he knows will only keep hurting them

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU 2 года назад +38

      Probably bc he's the only one with a wife.

    • @crappymcdick
      @crappymcdick 2 года назад +27

      @@DarkAngelEU isn't Rich married?

  • @HeyItzJD
    @HeyItzJD 2 года назад +573

    The fact that Mike and Rich's character arcs ended with them liking this new star wars product really is like poetry.

    • @accruzer
      @accruzer 2 года назад +43

      It broke new ground!

    • @TomTomTom87
      @TomTomTom87 2 года назад +62

      it rhymes

    • @rswindol
      @rswindol 2 года назад +42

      I think they've been beaten into submission.

    • @andreasniedam9945
      @andreasniedam9945 2 года назад

      That's either Stockholm syndrome or battered housewife syndrome

    • @jd3962
      @jd3962 2 года назад +16

      Mike and rich are funnier characters than we’ve ever had

  • @rxbandit5446
    @rxbandit5446 2 года назад +491

    Jeez, Rich and Mike’s antidepressants must have gotten refilled. Thought they’d be in line with Jay.

    • @andrewhart8150
      @andrewhart8150 2 года назад +46

      The boys have gotten soft in their old age.

    • @hafirenggayuda
      @hafirenggayuda 2 года назад +10

      They've been through Star Trek's. They already pass the nostalgia feel now

    • @RAZGR1Z
      @RAZGR1Z 2 года назад +10

      anti-depressants make you worse.

    • @bassvibasics479
      @bassvibasics479 2 года назад +6

      Jay hates everything that isn't David Lynch. He can't be trusted as a taste barometer.

    • @Ammoniumbicarbonat
      @Ammoniumbicarbonat 2 года назад +12

      @@bassvibasics479 I absolutely trust him as a taste barometer for that very reason

  • @mikewalker4092
    @mikewalker4092 2 года назад +42

    Has anyone mentioned the fact that Obi Wan is turned into Fred Flintstone? Works in a quarry? Rides a dinosaur home? Lives in a cave? Yabba dabba doo.

  • @alexhayden219
    @alexhayden219 2 года назад +471

    Jay has the only close to sane takes in this conversation. We knew Mike had dementia. Rich now officially has it, too. The Star Trek has truly rotted their brains beyond being salvageable.

    • @wonder_city_bot8226
      @wonder_city_bot8226 Год назад +2

      Why, cuz he shat all over something people like just like he usually does? Sorry, but what exactly was sane about any take Jay has on any Star Wars movie/TV?

    • @alexhayden219
      @alexhayden219 Год назад +33

      @@wonder_city_bot8226 It was 9 months ago and I don't feel like rewatching to get full context or quotes, so I can only guess that he had tempered or negative opinions on the show, while Mike and Rich enjoyed/excused it.
      The Kenobi show is dog shit the whole way through.

    • @radioJim
      @radioJim Год назад +13

      @@alexhayden219 Just finished re-watching it, and your recollection here is pretty accurate. Mike and Rich were dazzled by Star Wars achieving mediocrity, which they aren't used to after watching so much Nu Trek.

    • @kubekzpiciem
      @kubekzpiciem Год назад +20

      @@radioJim It's not even mediocrity, the show is absolute garbage and somehow they compeltely ignore all the negatives like they would normaly point out while Jay treats it like any other piece of shit media we are treated to by disney star wars nowadays

    • @WreckageBrother-rd5zf
      @WreckageBrother-rd5zf Год назад

      Huh Jay also excuses it

  • @ronwanderer5685
    @ronwanderer5685 2 года назад +931

    I feel like Rich's main argument in favor of the show could be condensed down to: "Compared to a rancid puddle of diarrhea, it's really not that bad."

    • @gelraldoldo5152
      @gelraldoldo5152 2 года назад +23

      He’s probably not wrong

    • @VakieF1
      @VakieF1 2 года назад +47

      And Mike says "I´ll literally enjoy having fecal matter rubbed into my eyeballs, so I enjoyed Obi-Wan Kenobi."

    • @t.c.bramblett617
      @t.c.bramblett617 2 года назад

      It's more like a puddle of fresh, high quality diarrhea

    • @JingleJangle256
      @JingleJangle256 2 года назад +2

      I saw this comment on EFAP, much KEK!

    • @GavinAeilts
      @GavinAeilts 2 года назад +3

      He provided his reasons for liking the show. I agreed with most of them.

  • @gtwrmw1978
    @gtwrmw1978 2 года назад +475

    Rich Evans once again hitting the nail on the head: "They wisely don't explain it, so they can do whatever the fuck they want in the future."

    • @buh2001j
      @buh2001j 2 года назад +12

      Except that it was explained in Rebels.

    • @cyrollan
      @cyrollan 2 года назад

      Rich knows everything.

    • @music79075
      @music79075 2 года назад +1

      @@buh2001j what was the explanation

    • @bossked1563
      @bossked1563 2 года назад +6

      @@music79075 They're dead, they use their... spirits? presence? (It's been a while and I didn't like it then) ...combined with strategic rumor-planting to lure other Jedi in.

    • @bossked1563
      @bossked1563 2 года назад +4

      It's also strangely more dark, they used Luminara in Rebels and she looked completely mummified. I'm surprised they didn't do that here

  • @techwiz81
    @techwiz81 2 года назад +228

    Obi-Wan trying to sneak out of an imperial base in a giant trench coat was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time

    • @e.452
      @e.452 2 года назад +15

      And he almost made a complete getaway

    • @NefariousKoel
      @NefariousKoel 2 года назад +31

      @@e.452 .... If it wasn't for those damn kids!

    • @rogerhalt3991
      @rogerhalt3991 2 года назад

      With four legs!

    • @Madhouse_Media
      @Madhouse_Media 2 года назад +4

      Just needed a big fake mustache

    • @aify5883
      @aify5883 2 года назад +5

      Was like when Austin Powers stood on mini me's shoulders

  • @Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley
    @Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley 2 года назад +1702

    I usually disagree with Jay's cynical takes on these kinds of stuff, but this time I am more leaning to his view. Mike and Rich have been permanently brain damaged by the Picard show; like, I get it that they can find amusing how "cheap" the show looks and resolves their stuff, but this is not an actually cheap show, this is a Diseny multimillion dollar production. It's a thing about care and talent rather than a budget constrain.

    • @nhagan001
      @nhagan001 2 года назад +31

      isn't this show something like 200 million dollars?

    • @broco1163
      @broco1163 2 года назад +128

      Yeah exactly. I feel like the Mike/Rich Trek reviews are full of the "correct" response because they are heavily invested in Trek, and we're watching that crumble in real time. But their investment in Star Wars died a long time ago, and so they're just shrugging. I wish this breakdown was more along the lines of their recent Trek work. They don't even remember enough Star Wars lore to point out the large holes in the Kenobi plot. With Picard, they'd point out things that broke Trek lore in perfect deadpan, but with this, it's just all a big meh. And that's fair, I can't demand that they re-invest to break it down like they do Trek, but I was hoping for a little more of that in this review.

    • @Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley
      @Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley 2 года назад +12

      @@nhagan001 - There is like 25 million dollars per episode.

    • @Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley
      @Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley 2 года назад +72

      @@broco1163 - Yeah, they clearly don't care about Star Wars enough to make a serious critique, I feel like Jay tried to bring up technical aspects but Rich and Mike kept shuting him down while valuing the cheap nature of the show.
      I always found kind of hypocritical how Mike and Rich get to be massive Star Trek nerds and memorize thousands of episodes yet dismiss any lore or continuity detail from Star Wars. Granted, they are clearly bigger fans of Star Trek and they are not obliged to have the same dedication for Star Wars, but it bugs me how sometimes they have these ideas for how Star Wars could be better not knowing those ideas have been executed a long time ago in better Star Wars media they are not willing to look into. Their need for Obi Wan to gain a consistent and interesting personality was done years ago in TCW, making him a responsible paternal figure with a charmingly sassy attitude, theyveven had him having his own romantic subplot; back in then they didn't need to recycle the Old-Man formula to make something interesting.
      They also keep making fun of Darth Maul yet they do not know how he's practically an entire different character in the animated shows, they even had a Samurai style battle (similar to their requests as for how a lightsaber duel should be) as his final confrontation with Obi Wan, in a moment with a level of tension and dept the Obi Wan show can only dream of.

    • @nhagan001
      @nhagan001 2 года назад +14

      @@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley Oh jesus christ! There is no excuse for that!

  • @TuxedoKamina
    @TuxedoKamina 2 года назад +527

    Never thought the day would come where I completely agree with Jay and question Mike and Rich's sanity even more than usual.

    • @Brim_the_Wizard
      @Brim_the_Wizard 2 года назад +61

      Same. Jay is the only one who made sense in this review. You can't sit there after watching the fucking trenchcoat scene in episode 4 and say Kenobi has a passing grade.
      They don't genuinely like Kenobi. They probably just like it ironically because it's memeworthy levels of bad, and that's probably okay? I would still rather have a good show than an ironically-likeable bad show.

    • @AmericanZergling
      @AmericanZergling 2 года назад +36

      They're comparing it to two things: Star Trek Picard and the Prequels, two things they have been traumatized by. They acknowledged that the show looks cheap and is genuinely bad, they just didn't care since in their minds they're thinking 'at least it was better than Picard/Prequels.'
      Funny enough, Kenobi made me like Stranger Things again, because the acting, writing, and cinematography of that show's season 4 was a night and day difference compared to D+ shows like Kenobi, Boba Fett, or Moonknight.

    • @Dyljim
      @Dyljim 2 года назад +14

      @@AmericanZergling I feel profoundly bad for Deborah Chow, I've said this in a few comment sections but I don't think she was the right person to helm this project, and frankly I get the sense she may have felt that way too.
      This show famously struggled to pin a director, and if you look at Chow's work she's not really had a big hit and her only very notable work was on the Mandalorian- where most of the directors were completely hand held by Filoni (Taika Waititi directed one of the episodes and it literally had NONE of his flair or vision as a director).
      On top of that, there's articles of her saying she didn't have much investment in Star Wars prior to working on the Mandalorian, and for this project had to go to Filoni to get answers to lore questions (who is working on multiple other projects)... so, she clearly didn't have someone super familiar with the lore on her writing staff is the implication I take away from that.
      So with that context, we have a fairly fresh faced director trying to direct one of the most anticipated projects by a fanbase for a canon she's only just starting to truly develop a passion for, so with that I really don't blame her for putting out a rather mediocre show with frustrating elements, I truly believe the cards were stacked against her and with everything considered did a fantastic job at least making a show with sub texts and not a complete trainwreck like Picard.
      Does that mean I like Kenobi? Oh god no, the first 2 episodes made my skin crawl with how painful story elements were like young Leia and the Inquisitors feeling more like Monty Phython skit rather than intimidating villains (I did love how corny the Inquisitor's subtextual analysis of the Jedi archetype in the very first scene, I call it corny due to the acting/dialogue but it's a genuinely excellent bit of writing as it contextualises Obi-Wan's struggle within the episode), and how the Reva was treated like a joke by the other characters -I thought the actress was a great, bold choice to focus it on a new character, I just wish they had given her a more compelling character who was perceived as badass within the show, like Asajj Ventress.

    • @AmericanZergling
      @AmericanZergling 2 года назад +7

      @@Dyljim Fair enough with the director. I can believe the idea that she wasn't much of a Star Wars fan but also wasn't going to refuse an opportunity from Disney.
      Focusing on other characters wasn't my problem with Reva, it was that I could predict most of her story from the get-go. She was the youngling from the opening, she was ambitious, would rise to the top to replace the head inquisitor, and would likely be left open for another show of her own. The only twist I liked was that they kept the Inquisitor alive, which I guess I could've predicted if I ever cared to watch Rebels.
      What really bothered me in this show was how they treat the Empire. First, Stormtroopers have somehow become even less threatening than Battledroids. I don't know how or why they did it, but they did. Instead of addressing the joke that Stormtroopers are bad shots or have ineffective armor, Lucasfilm just decided to double down on it.
      Second, when the spy officer said to address her as 'sir' was pretty cringe. Does anyone at Lucasfilm know anybody in the military. Even (especially) an admin could tell you that female officers are called 'ma'am'. They beat this into you at bootcamp and it's annoying whenever Hollywood thinks that somehow calling a woman 'sir' is empowering or something.
      Finally, formations. Formation warfare stopped being effective in the American Civil War. When fighting with automatic weapons the best approach is to utilize smaller, tactical squads and room control. So when Stormtroopers are standing rank in file in a battle scene it just looks retarded.
      That's my rant. Other than that I agree with Jay, the show just looks and feels cheap and bad.

    • @cannotcompute
      @cannotcompute 2 года назад +1

      Please remember that Mike unironically defended movies like Battleship. He loves garbage, and that's okay.

  • @evanhansen928
    @evanhansen928 2 года назад +1499

    I love how everyone in the comments agrees with jay. Picard has damaged rich and mikes brains.

    • @RAZGR1Z
      @RAZGR1Z 2 года назад +1

      I guess after you eat shit for so long you eventually come to enjoy the taste.

    • @ryandempsey4830
      @ryandempsey4830 2 года назад +39

      It has.

    • @reek4062
      @reek4062 2 года назад +18

      Kenobi seems better than Picard to me.
      Edit: I've finally watched Kenobi, it's pretty good.

    • @GoatMalp
      @GoatMalp 2 года назад +71

      @@reek4062 it absolutely is, but it's a wide spectrum.

    • @GoatMalp
      @GoatMalp 2 года назад +1

      Picard & Shark Exorcist.

  • @MichailGreshishchev
    @MichailGreshishchev 2 года назад +344

    I feel like the whole time Jay is thinking “Doesn’t anyone else see this? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!”

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 2 года назад +18

      I feel like he's said that verbatim before.

    • @MegaZeta
      @MegaZeta 2 года назад

      That is certainly a rephrasing of what we all saw in the video as a famous quote from the movie _Zoolander_

  • @monty6491
    @monty6491 2 года назад +412

    It bothered me how in the rooftop gunfight he was pretty terrible with the blaster (like in Episode 2 when he killed Grievous but clearly doesn't like using blasters), but then in the next episode with the laser gate, he is an incredible sharpshooter and despatches about 5 troopers in 5 shots.
    Then 3 more stormtroopers pull up and he surrenders as if they are somehow now a massive problem, purely to facilitate the bait and switch by the spy officer.

    • @dkennedy1
      @dkennedy1 2 года назад +28

      Yeah I thought the same. He was just gonna surrender to three stormtroopers when he has a lightsaber and can literally control minds with suggestion. They couldn’t afford an AT-ST at least ?

    • @megatom5
      @megatom5 2 года назад +18

      I will say there is an aspect to the show that Obi-wan's powers are coming back to him more and more with each episode, so I dunno if that is supposed to be part of that or not, but I noticed it too.

    • @vanious7175
      @vanious7175 2 года назад +33

      I had more of a problem with how Leia was faster than him (and like any adult) in that scene on the rooftops lol

    • @sleepyseahorsetv
      @sleepyseahorsetv 2 года назад +8

      Grievous was in Episode 3, not Episode 2

    • @Misguided97
      @Misguided97 2 года назад +13

      @@sleepyseahorsetv don't think he cares

  • @hotcoldman
    @hotcoldman 2 года назад +794

    The problem is @10:20 is that Obi-Wan runs out the right side of the frame, and then runs back into the quarry from the right side of the frame again. It makes it look like he's coming back to the same place instead of going further away
    It's like they forgot how to direct basic action

    • @WraithWriter
      @WraithWriter 2 года назад +94

      Yeah, it was a combination of really poor blocking, bad direction, and dismal editing.

    • @SatoruwaFeng
      @SatoruwaFeng 2 года назад +51

      This assumes they knew how in the first place.

    • @iforgot87872
      @iforgot87872 2 года назад +31

      Yesss! This was soo weird hahaha. I happen to be a video editor for my day job so bothered probably even a little extra, but I was like that’s weird for anyone honestly it might have even been worth it to just flip the shot

    • @kw9849
      @kw9849 2 года назад +32

      There are a bunch of odd directional issues and edits like this in the other episodes too. It really makes me wonder how slapped together this was.

    • @afluffywhitekitty8589
      @afluffywhitekitty8589 2 года назад +37

      That entire encounter did literally everything wrong from a cinematography perspective. It was abysmal.

  • @Ardnightian
    @Ardnightian 2 года назад +382

    Cutting to Leia and Obi-Wan holding hands while Mike says “that’s why I think Obi-Wan is gonna be smooching on that lady” is the most out of pocket thing I’ve seen on this channel.

    • @virus2003
      @virus2003 2 года назад +3

      Out of pocket?

    • @alfrednougat7884
      @alfrednougat7884 2 года назад +2

      @@virus2003 I think he means "out of line"

    • @cadewilliams7750
      @cadewilliams7750 2 года назад +3

      59:44

    • @aperson2943
      @aperson2943 2 года назад +2

      @@quercus3290 Out of pocket loosely means money. It is an old pimp term meaning you were out of line. So yeah technically he is right. The money part came from the pimp's perspective meaning she was messing with his pockets. Literally anything a "hoe" does that he hasn't instructed her to do was a threat to his pockets. They even have terms like "reckless eyeballing" for a "hoe" if she even looks at him wrong, or for too long. These terms are very esoteric in the pimp game. These terms leaked to the general public and it loses it's meaning. Kinda like a game of telephone.

    • @aperson2943
      @aperson2943 2 года назад +1

      @@quercus3290 Well technically yeah, it's made up. Pimps made it up. At least this variation of "Out of pocket" has it's roots in urban speak passed down from pimps. There is a whole language that's being memed now. The word "Simp" for example. The opposite of pimp. It gets thrown around now by people with no clue of it's origins.
      If you think the common usage of "Out of pocket" when it comes to someone saying or doing something out of line has it's origins in England ... Then I don't know what to tell ya. "Out of cash" "Pockets on E" "Empty pockets" "Nothing but hard dick and bubble gum". "Nothing but lent" "Moths in my pocket " "Broke as a joke" All expressions of having no cash.
      That's not what this saying, in THIS context means

  • @undefinedother
    @undefinedother 2 года назад +75

    We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master
    Except when we fought on Tatooine that one time.

    • @lluewhyn
      @lluewhyn 2 года назад +2

      Exactly what everyone was thinking. Slight bit of retcon there....

  • @culpablecruz
    @culpablecruz 2 года назад +263

    The repeat clips of obi wan just continually running away at a normal completely unhurried speed have got me dead 💀 (remember the super-fast run down the hallway in episode 1 with him and quigon???)

    • @philliptivis3082
      @philliptivis3082 2 года назад +10

      In my head I added Curly's "whoop whoop whoop whoop!" from the 3 Stooges.

    • @culpablecruz
      @culpablecruz 2 года назад +4

      @@philliptivis3082 nice

    • @GeorgeMonet
      @GeorgeMonet 2 года назад +9

      They never used it again.

    • @bellcross9985
      @bellcross9985 Год назад +3

      @@GeorgeMonet imagine how OP that speed is in universe.

    • @sean8102
      @sean8102 4 месяца назад +1

      For me it's the edit of obi looking out the window watching Darth Vader dance with lol

  • @RickySteels
    @RickySteels 2 года назад +152

    This episode was just watching Jay feel like he's on crazy pills.

  • @TubeEamo
    @TubeEamo 2 года назад +499

    I'm increasingly grateful for the little cult classics and hidden gems I loved when I was younger that are too obscure to ever become a franchise and suffer the fate of of the likes of Jurassic Park, Terminator and Star Wars. I'm afraid to even speak their names online lest it conjure some hack writer from the unholy corner of hell they reside in.

    • @PyrokineticFire1
      @PyrokineticFire1 2 года назад +67

      I'm glad one of my favorite book series had a very bad movie version already made. it's got the stink of box-office failure to keep it safe.

    • @dominicroe2261
      @dominicroe2261 2 года назад +22

      Go on, speak their names. I'm interested now

    • @punishedbarca761
      @punishedbarca761 2 года назад +65

      They gave the franchise treatment to Evil Dead but the show actually turned out pretty fun. I think the issue is that Disney thinks it can't have fun, like they're trying to make a series of Wikipedia entries instead of entertainment.

    • @TubeEamo
      @TubeEamo 2 года назад +71

      @@dominicroe2261 - Nice try, Hollywood.

    • @TubeEamo
      @TubeEamo 2 года назад +51

      @@punishedbarca761 - For every Evil Dead or Fury road there's a dozen Rise Of Skywalker's and Jurassic World III's. It can still happen but I prefer to keep expectations rock bottom and be pleasantly surprised.

  • @nighttray1489
    @nighttray1489 2 года назад +92

    “I like putting fecal matter in my eyes” “I like that I feel bad for enjoying this” - Mike Stoklasa in his positive review of Obi-Wan: A Star Wars Story

    • @nutyyyy
      @nutyyyy 2 года назад +12

      That's the best part of the video. I'm not annoyed in the slightest that they enjoyed it, it was hilarious.

    • @Hemostat
      @Hemostat 2 года назад +10

      its funny that everyones acting like they sold out, but those quotes sum exactly what they thought

  • @collinmclaren6608
    @collinmclaren6608 2 года назад +161

    _"The worst thing they could do is have Darth Maul fight Obi Wan on Tatooine."_
    HAHA, JOKES ON YOU! They already did that in the Rebels series! (I haven't watched it, but from what I've heard the scene is actually pretty well executed)

    • @raffimercuri5705
      @raffimercuri5705 2 года назад +23

      Ha I was looking for this comment. Yeah, it was actually a really good scene.

    • @mphylo2296
      @mphylo2296 2 года назад +15

      It's fine. It's basically just a congratulatory little thing for Star Wars fans who spent far too long watching the Qui-Gon vs Maul duel and committed its choreography to memory. As for what it actually adds to the characters? Well, it's a big fat nothing. Thankfully the "duel" is over in less than two seconds.

    • @thehumanity0
      @thehumanity0 2 года назад +38

      Darth Maul's entire arc throughout Clone Wars and his smaller part in Rebels is unironically actually some of the best Star Wars content that's ever been done. The Clone Wars series finale was extremely good - though I would skip Rebels and just watch the brief character moments from Obi-wan and Maul to Darth Vader and Ahsoka.

    • @naoiwatani8402
      @naoiwatani8402 2 года назад +9

      @@mphylo2296
      It adds a lot for both characters actually.
      For Kenobi his commitment to being a Jedi and comforting the man who killed everything he loved twice.
      For Maul the ending of his arc and the death of his character.

    • @javkiller
      @javkiller 2 года назад +11

      @@mphylo2296 As it should. It's a send off to how bad it was to have the bombastic fights in the prequels. Jedi fights should be samurai duels. Bamboo stick hits, two sabers clash, one guy falls down.

  • @iceParadox1819
    @iceParadox1819 2 года назад +632

    It's official: Kurtzman has completely broken Mike and Rich's brains

    • @Morrowind4732
      @Morrowind4732 2 года назад +72

      Agreed. I can't believe they didn't tear this show apart.

    • @reek4062
      @reek4062 2 года назад +21

      Kurtzman made them (somewhat) positive of a Star Wars show: I wouldn't have believed it 3 years ago.

    • @warpath8453
      @warpath8453 2 года назад +24

      @@Morrowind4732 it's really easy to do when you muddy the waters and ignore the awful shit

    • @jordand45
      @jordand45 2 года назад +1

      This iceparadox guy seems pretty cool.

    • @hannibalb8276
      @hannibalb8276 2 года назад +2

      Ironically Star Trek Strange New Worlds is amazing and the best Trek since the golden age all because Kurtzman had nothing to do with it

  • @GZXC993
    @GZXC993 2 года назад +829

    With a bit more enthusiasm and sarcasm, Rich and Mike's review of Kenobi could sound like an episode from the Nerd crew.
    Mike: And the action was just really great. I like the stylistic decision to have it be really cheap, clunky, and awkward
    Jay: Very cool
    Rich: I was completely fine with how average this show is. It really works in it's favor
    Jay: Very cool

    • @i.870
      @i.870 2 года назад +45

      SO TRUE! I wish superliking comments was a thing on RUclips

    • @claytondora
      @claytondora 2 года назад +86

      Well, Me personally, I loved this show.
      Especially the parts that made me want to choke on my own vomit. VERY COOL.

    • @yeedleed2388
      @yeedleed2388 2 года назад +49

      God I miss nerd crew

    • @AshHailtotheKing
      @AshHailtotheKing 2 года назад +15

      Jay: Give it up
      Everyone applauds

    • @MourningCoffeeMusic
      @MourningCoffeeMusic 2 года назад +20

      I clapped when I saw it !

  • @memeomeme8351
    @memeomeme8351 2 года назад +346

    I think the trouble with this show is that I never even spared a thought to what Obi was doing for all those years in between the prequels and the OT. I just assumed he went into hiding near Luke and watched over him for an uneventful couple of decades. Do we also need a story about what Yoda was doing on Dagobar for all that time? Because I assume he just lived eating moss soup and meditating. I honestly don't give a shit about Star Wars but if there is anything interesting to it, it's in going forward and expanding upon the lore, or going way backwards into legends stuff and showing that on the big screen. They are beating the same continuous era of Star Wars into submission and somehow making it all far more mundane in the process.

    • @user1point0
      @user1point0 2 года назад +50

      AT STs
      AT STs
      AT STs

    • @boomanchu2
      @boomanchu2 2 года назад +51

      It's Skywalkers, Palpatines, and Kenobis all the way down.

    • @dizzydee4889
      @dizzydee4889 2 года назад +14

      @@boomanchu2 chosen one! chosen one! chosen one! (ad nauseum)

    • @dirus3142
      @dirus3142 2 года назад +23

      I understand your point. However I could see a little more in it. Ben keeping tabs on Luke, and is known by the local homesteads, and pops into the city at times. He may help from time to time. A stranded person with a broken down speeder, a tuskan assault on a lone traveler, or to close to the Lars' home. Maybe helping Luke as a "chance" meaning he is traveling. The distant but known hermit thing. As for some thing big. If you have to do it, Ben would find a way to make the area around the Lars' home relatively stable between sand peaple, settlers, and criminals. He could be subtle about it. But that is beyond Disney's ability.

    • @magmatard8737
      @magmatard8737 2 года назад +4

      @@dirus3142 I mean Luke does know him as Ben Kenobi, he's been around long enough for Luke to recognize him and know who he is so he's like his neighbor. Makes sense that theyd run into each other from time to time

  • @robynhighart2026
    @robynhighart2026 2 года назад +186

    If Mcgregor wasn't in it, I would be 200% impressed by how much effort these fans put into making this amateur series.

    • @chilboswaggins5500
      @chilboswaggins5500 Год назад +10

      Are they REALLY fans?

    • @Unit076
      @Unit076 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@chilboswaggins5500To be fair, not all fanmade projects are "good"

  • @pwnishing4life
    @pwnishing4life 2 года назад +332

    The Plinkett Prequel videos feel like Anger, this video feels like they’ve finally made it to Acceptance

    • @montecristo1845
      @montecristo1845 2 года назад +29

      Someone will have to inform me when Bargaining took place. 😉

    • @blank-vj1mc
      @blank-vj1mc 2 года назад +75

      @@montecristo1845 When Plinkett recommended Disney hire JarJar Abrams for Star Wars lol

    • @quixoticcarrot3998
      @quixoticcarrot3998 2 года назад +17

      Wait so you're telling me that anger doesn't lead to hate, and hate doesn't lead to suffering? Or that suffering eventually leads to acceptance? Where does fecal urgency fit on this flowchart?

    • @KaiserMattTygore927
      @KaiserMattTygore927 2 года назад +1

      @@blank-vj1mc Be careful what you wish to the MAXIMUM EXTREME

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 2 года назад +1

      @@homelessjesse9453 He's made his defense. He said Abrams might've been a good director. He never said he should co-write Star Wars with Chris Terrio. Which honestly, is fair.

  • @anon-rf5sx
    @anon-rf5sx 2 года назад +245

    Jay is right on this one. I never watched Picard, so I still don't suffer enough ptsd to enjoy this like mike and rich

    • @jearrico
      @jearrico 2 года назад +2

      I get it. I haven't seen Picard either but Kenobi isn't horrible. It's not. And for people who want to complain, I see your point as well but it's just a TV show and it doesn't need to be perfect to be enjoyable.

    • @edwardrichtofen8530
      @edwardrichtofen8530 2 года назад +5

      @@jearrico it isn’t that good either. Which is terrible since this was supposed to be a home run

    • @BlahUlmayer
      @BlahUlmayer 2 года назад +3

      At this point, this is not PTSD anymore but all out Stockholm syndrome. Poor Mike and Rich. There's no coming back from Pitard. So young. So sad.

  • @MrCeratix
    @MrCeratix 2 года назад +266

    Being so cynical you loop back around to feeling relieved that you can enjoy something because you don't care anymore is one hell of a place to be in life

    • @PvtFlowers
      @PvtFlowers 2 года назад +25

      Thats the entire philosophy of Nietzsche

    • @Busto
      @Busto 2 года назад +1

      *cue John Mellencamp
      🎶 Ain't that America, something to see baby 🎶

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 2 года назад +16

      I like RLM, but IMO they sometimes get a bit too cynical about new stuff. Like, the original movies were great, but at the end of the day, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, and others are just popcorn flicks. There can be recurring themes and small character building moments, but none of them are gonna win tons of awards. So when new content isn't the second coming of Christ, you don't need to be mad or upset about it, and you can even enjoy it anyway. And I think after seeing how bad it can be, Mike and Rich have taken a more measured and optimistic approach to media that I think is much healther.

    • @lemonynora
      @lemonynora 2 года назад +5

      @@philbattiste9649 I like Mike and Rich’s arc. they’re definitely becoming more chill and less overly cynical. like sometimes people can be such cynics that it’s sad and almost toxic.
      A review should point out the positives as well as the negatives to something, and i’ve found that often youtube reviews enjoy being just overly hateful for the sake of being overly hateful as it’s what their audience expects from them

    • @acksawblack
      @acksawblack 2 года назад +7

      @@philbattiste9649 But the original Star Wars were groundbreaking. I assume you weren’t around in the 70s but equating the original trilogy to marvel is a bit of a reach.

  • @bingobriano6021
    @bingobriano6021 2 года назад +96

    I feel the biggest reason it feels cheap is the soundtrack. The music is very generic action. It doesn't have the magic of John Williams Star Wars feeling. I'm a film editor myself and I'm very tempted to do a cut down of the whole series into a 2 hour film with the original score. Although I wouldnt be able get a music-less version of the episodes but I'm convinced there's a better edit of this in there.

    • @reek4062
      @reek4062 2 года назад +1

      better than the overly bombastic duels of the prequels

    • @bingobriano6021
      @bingobriano6021 2 года назад +19

      @@reek4062 They were far from good, but they had a charm. You could tell there was still an author behind them.

    • @pho3nix-
      @pho3nix- 2 года назад +3

      Ludwig Göransson probably could have done a better job with the score.

    • @xrphoenix7194
      @xrphoenix7194 2 года назад +5

      @@reek4062 no, no it isn't

  • @Flagdread
    @Flagdread 2 года назад +174

    This video makes me feel like I've fallen into a twilight zone episode where Jay is the last man on earth with standards.

    • @aaronmelgar7116
      @aaronmelgar7116 2 года назад +23

      Honestly? Jay has always been the one with the best taste out of the lads.

    • @Kurdtzdopelgangr
      @Kurdtzdopelgangr 2 года назад +5

      Why? Mike and Rich basically just said it's very average, and Jay agreed on many of their points but was just more dismissive of the show overall. I didn't get the impression that Jay hated it or had any strong opinions about it other than not liking the awkward fight scenes and overall cheapness.

    • @sir0nion
      @sir0nion 2 года назад +12

      @@aaronmelgar7116 I think that's what the OP is getting at. Maybe a better analogy would be like Idiocracy. Jay is sent to the future where everyone's standards are very low, but Jay's remains intact.

    • @hysuka2
      @hysuka2 2 года назад

      Lmao I think Mike and Rich just don't give a fuck enough about Star Wars anymore to be angry at this trash show.

  • @n.hermann7200
    @n.hermann7200 2 года назад +68

    I think we can say that RLM has reached the final stage of grief: acceptance.

  • @handsomeaaron6175
    @handsomeaaron6175 2 года назад +68

    When Kenobi confronts Vader, why doesn't he run up on top of that little hill instead of behind it? Then he'd have the high ground

    • @dadox00
      @dadox00 2 года назад +6

      It's over Darth Vader...!

  • @InsectSpray
    @InsectSpray 2 года назад +292

    I can't believe how many predictions these guys consistently get correct.

    • @johnfriday5169
      @johnfriday5169 2 года назад +75

      Or their predictions that were better than what we got, I'm looking at you Palpatine's evil Ewok death cult.

    • @jimparkin2345
      @jimparkin2345 2 года назад +27

      @@johnfriday5169 Palpatine's Ewok death cult really is a masterstroke

    • @danewoodruff5697
      @danewoodruff5697 2 года назад +6

      And then they just be laughing about it uncontrollably not knowing 😂

    • @lucamckenn5932
      @lucamckenn5932 2 года назад +9

      They think like hack frauds they make fun of. Shockingly, people who have no right to create stories are writing and creating stories.

    • @RestitutorEuropa
      @RestitutorEuropa Год назад +3

      It’s not very hard to predict what they are going to write nowadays

  • @thegameneededme5
    @thegameneededme5 2 года назад +319

    Rich and Mike are going about this the way people used to when they went to see whatever was playing in theaters in the summer just to sit in a room with AC for a while to escape the heat. No matter what it is, it's better than the alternative of watching more Picard.

    • @brianbagnall3029
      @brianbagnall3029 2 года назад +19

      I guess. They went way too easy on this crap series though.

    • @BenCanucklehead
      @BenCanucklehead 2 года назад +1

      @@brianbagnall3029 Did you watch Picard?

    • @brianbagnall3029
      @brianbagnall3029 2 года назад +8

      @@BenCanucklehead Yes, and it probably was worse than Kenobi but it's like comparing a diarrhea stain to a fibrous turd.

    • @BenCanucklehead
      @BenCanucklehead 2 года назад +1

      @@brianbagnall3029 I'm sure after 2 and a halfish hours, you would pick one of those worse than the other, and while the winner isn't great, you can live with it.

    • @swagromancer
      @swagromancer 2 года назад +4

      @@brianbagnall3029 I haven't seen Kenobi, but "Eh, it's okay or whatever, nothing matters anymore" didn't sound like a glowing recommendation to me.

  • @Nealikus
    @Nealikus 2 года назад +64

    Force Awakens: Denial
    Ghostbusters 2016: Anger
    Mandolorian: Bargaining
    Picard: Depression
    Obi Wan: Acceptance

  • @tobyjohnson9136
    @tobyjohnson9136 2 года назад +556

    I like how the younglings have helmets on despite the point of them having helmets in RoTS was to blind them and maybe stop them hitting their head while blind and having a floating ball shoot at them. But here they're just doing very mild exercises. Why the giant helmets? Because they had them in that scene so now we have to have them here because that's what younglings wear. (It's probably to make them seem even more child-like and innocent too but they just didn't care that it didn't make sense) Exactly like how the Jedi robes in the prequels were the same as the clothing on Tattooine because that's what Ben wore and so that's what Jedi look like. Or, indeed the blinding helmet and floating blaster ball that was originally just something Obi Wan came up with ad hoc but was by pure coincidence exactly what Jedi training actually was like because that's what Luke did in the original film.
    We've finally got to the point where they're doing it with prequel stuff.
    It's like poetry, it rhymes.
    Or more recently with the Mandalorian where he freezes people in carbonite despite it being a weird, experimental use of a piece of industrial equipment in RoTJ. Maybe word got around and others decided to copy it but it looked like it took a very bulky piece of equipment that took up a whole room in the film. Either way we know it's in there because the writers forgot the original context.

    • @blueonblack83
      @blueonblack83 2 года назад +108

      It's also about family, and that's what's so powerful about it.

    • @MasterChiefFloyd
      @MasterChiefFloyd 2 года назад +55

      It’s all so tiresome.

    • @LazyShortsOpieAnthony
      @LazyShortsOpieAnthony 2 года назад +10

      SO powerful.

    • @beatrixwickson8477
      @beatrixwickson8477 2 года назад +28

      I feel like the jedi robe thing has come full circle and they've cornered the costume department to make Obi-Wan look like Obi-Wan but not in Jedi robes but suitable for Tattooine. It's a trap.

    • @JoeJoe-lq6bd
      @JoeJoe-lq6bd 2 года назад +54

      Yeah, figured Obi-Wan originally dressed like that was because he was a hermit with no money, not that it was his uniform.

  • @raptorshinryu
    @raptorshinryu Год назад +131

    Listening to Mike and Rich trying to convince themselves that parts of this show are decent just because they're opposite with elements from the prequels is some of the most acrobatic mental gymnastics I've ever seen.

    • @kubekzpiciem
      @kubekzpiciem Год назад +6

      SO TRUE

    • @WreckageBrother-rd5zf
      @WreckageBrother-rd5zf Год назад +2

      Huh? Parts of it ARE decent, it's an uneven mixed-quality show.

    • @FringeSpectre
      @FringeSpectre Год назад +4

      There actually are some decent bits though. For instance, the first episode showing Obiwan working on that meat line was pretty cool and him stealing bits of meat for his mount was endearing.

    • @commandernomad2817
      @commandernomad2817 Год назад +5

      Its _amazing_ to me how rlm "fans" will bend over backwards to try and rationalize why they could like something they didn't.

    • @FringeSpectre
      @FringeSpectre Год назад +2

      @@commandernomad2817 it's amazing how you used "they" for two different groups in the same sentence.

  • @AdamRhodes536
    @AdamRhodes536 2 года назад +337

    "I really don't care anymore. It's all fine." - Mike Stoklasa, RedLetterMedia, on Star Wars 10 years after his Prequel Trilogy anal-sys video series

    • @LucaResto
      @LucaResto 2 года назад +14

      $$$$$$$$$$$

    • @spacespectre2853
      @spacespectre2853 2 года назад +5

      Remember, new ground has been broken in the meantime

    • @BackPalSA
      @BackPalSA 2 года назад +2

      Holy fuck, I was just about to randomly respond to this but it turns out it's Adam Rhodes. I guess I gotta go watch more streams now. Thanks for the vinesauce stuff!
      Mike is a lot older now than he was then.

  • @jacksonc_
    @jacksonc_ 2 года назад +237

    Felt weird with the amount of double takes I had to do watching this. I knew Picard fried Rich and Mikes brain, but only now do I really realize how bad it effected them.

    • @cloud8521
      @cloud8521 2 года назад +10

      To be fair, Mike always seems to be the one who liked the things most people hate.

  • @nolandavis1129
    @nolandavis1129 2 года назад +255

    24:00 “Darth Maul goes back for revenge and they have a showdown on Tatooine”
    I love how Rich Evans just described “Twin Suns” from Star Wars Rebels.

    • @swordsman111982
      @swordsman111982 2 года назад +28

      That scene might be my one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Wars too

    • @SchmuckAmok
      @SchmuckAmok 2 года назад +23

      Rich Evans hasn’t realized Star Wars already did that story in like 2015 lol

    • @thegodofalldragons
      @thegodofalldragons 2 года назад +29

      And it was actually pretty good because they did something interesting with it, instead of just being another lightsaber battle.

    • @nilzero5686
      @nilzero5686 2 года назад +5

      Yeah, also it means the "in 9 years kenobi will look like alec guinness" thing is more like 5 years since we know he looks like that in rebels by then anyway.

    • @altermann6753
      @altermann6753 2 года назад +9

      @@thegodofalldragons animated Star Wars keeps getting W’s and I hope it doesn’t get popular with general audiences besides children and fat man children (like me) because I can’t bear the animated stuff somehow get turned to garbage please I just want Star Trek back Jesus Christ I’ll never complain about enterprise again please

  • @chunkymilk
    @chunkymilk 2 года назад +26

    i don’t watch star wars anymore. i just watch middle-aged men review star wars.

  • @jamesrichards2980
    @jamesrichards2980 2 года назад +1295

    It's funny, I'm a humungous star Wars fan like Mike and Rich, but I'm 100% with Jay on this show. Simultaneously expensive but cheap, stakes often feel low, weirdly glosses over story beats immediately, didn't need Vader by episode 2, (mostly) cheap and terrible action, etc. I reckon it's decent but it could have been better. That giant LED screen of theirs is a blessing and a curse, it severely limits their ability to produce decent sized sets and hence decent set pieces

    • @JohnnyZenith
      @JohnnyZenith 2 года назад +16

      Absolutely this 💯.

    • @nutyyyy
      @nutyyyy 2 года назад +111

      Mike and Rich seem to be reaching and mainly focusing on the fact it looks ridiculous and cheap like parts of the OT did. But it's way past the point where the show needs to look cheap. There's a difference between over the top action and completely goofy execution and terrible effects. I completely agree with Jay. The opening scene made me laugh hysterically. But I also admit I don't like Star Wars so I just stopped watching it, it's not for me and that's fine and people are free to enjoy it.

    • @warpath8453
      @warpath8453 2 года назад +28

      I don't think rich is a fan of anything besides the OT. I don't really care about rlms opinion on star wars AFTER the prequel content (episode 7 and on.. I shit you not I forgot it's name. Never thought that would happen with star wars)

    • @glOckcOma
      @glOckcOma 2 года назад +2

      "Humongous" Star Wars fans but they never heard of people being frozen in Carbonite? CMON!! It was in Empire Strikes back and even in the Mandalorian ffs!

    • @kulmschneider1
      @kulmschneider1 2 года назад +80

      @@glOckcOma but that amber stuff is not carbonite.

  • @collin3457
    @collin3457 2 года назад +236

    I don’t usually mesh with Jay’s point of view as often on movies or series, but in this case, I’m right there with you, Jay.

    • @SpongeBobaFett
      @SpongeBobaFett 2 года назад +32

      I usually side with Jay's opinions more than Mike's so I'm glad to see others turning to the Jay side of the RLM Force.

    • @ScreechingPossum
      @ScreechingPossum 2 года назад +61

      Mike: 'I agree with Rich. I was happy with the (Vader) encounter. What else was he supposed to do?"
      Jay: "I would've been happy if he hadn't met him at all"
      What did Picard do the Rich and Mike?

    • @MooseCastle
      @MooseCastle 2 года назад +18

      We've lived long enough to see the villain become the hero. I'm sorry I ever doubted your hipster ways, Jay.

    • @linusdn2777
      @linusdn2777 2 года назад +4

      I agree kinda. I watched the first 15 minutes and i was done with that shit immediately. Not sure why i had so high expectations. Probably because the mandalorian s2 and boba fett kinda slipped my mind

  • @kvid64
    @kvid64 2 года назад +227

    This Half in the re:View reminds me of that Star Trek episode "The Game". Mike and Rich are like "Hey Jay, you should watch this new Obi-wan Kenobi show! It's Awesome!". And Jay replies with "I think I'd like to know more about this Obi-wan Kenobi before I watch it"

    • @tartrazine5
      @tartrazine5 2 года назад +23

      We need Data to come in and flash us all in the face with an awkard square flashlight.

    • @michaeltozzi3112
      @michaeltozzi3112 2 года назад +4

      Not quite. Mike and Rich have just come from watching Picard and that series isn't necessarily Risa..

    • @kvid64
      @kvid64 2 года назад +10

      @@michaeltozzi3112 Compared to Picard it's probably better. But both of them are terrible shows. Both of them are just products, they have no soul, no vision

  • @Anomalous_Phenomenon
    @Anomalous_Phenomenon 2 года назад +26

    The thing I like most about the discussion is that it’s really about family

  • @Nonsensehat
    @Nonsensehat 2 года назад +125

    I can’t believe Mike says “Obi-wan has fallen” at the end without finishing it with “and he can’t get up.”

    • @philbattiste9649
      @philbattiste9649 2 года назад +2

      That's Mike's character arc. He no longer makes light of elderly people's struggles.

  • @tinstrings6312
    @tinstrings6312 2 года назад +60

    When Jay said "I came at this as someone who didn't watch Picard." Rich laughs at Jay's child-like innocence, while Mike looks like he's thinking "I want to crawl inside your skin and be you."

    • @duncanlutz3698
      @duncanlutz3698 2 года назад +1

      Jay has not seen "The Body."
      Jay has retained his innocence... and sanity.
      Mike and Rich have embraced the Void.

    • @psmith6512
      @psmith6512 2 года назад

      One of my favorite parts.

  • @vsf_dave811
    @vsf_dave811 2 года назад +393

    The amount of unnecessary shaky camera in this show drives me insane. You don’t need to have a basic dialogue scene shot like it’s being recorded by someone with a handheld camcorder trying to hide in a crowd. It’s so bizarre… it makes every scene have the same energy no matter what’s going on. It feels like the directors have no faith in their ability to create compelling shots without having the cameraman film like he’s sitting on top of a broken washing machine.

    • @vsf_dave811
      @vsf_dave811 2 года назад +15

      @@skeetsmcgrew3282 don’t tempt me

    • @montecristo1845
      @montecristo1845 2 года назад +2

      So you want me to film the sequels to The Hunger Games?
      Yeah…no. We’re not doing that anymore. Sorry.
      I’ll bet Star Wars will like my style…

    • @LoponStormbased
      @LoponStormbased 2 года назад +21

      It was the first damn thing I noticed and it annoyed and distracted me every time it happened after. It doesn't even shake like one would expect from the action on screen.
      It's like it's footage from someone tauntingly waving their phone in someone's face as they record them instead of explosions and rumbling going off.

    • @SwiggleMcJiggle
      @SwiggleMcJiggle 2 года назад +19

      It's fucking wild how much the camera shakes. Just look at the scene in the latest episode where the Empire tries blasting the doors and they do a zoom in on Reva's face. Nearly slid off the couch laughing.

    • @DinosaurFan88
      @DinosaurFan88 2 года назад +3

      You'd think by now, directors would stop trying to imitate Paul Greengrass.

  • @anonymouscantor7036
    @anonymouscantor7036 Год назад +23

    the 1977 Vader wasn't as one-dimensional as you remember, considering lines like "Don't be overly proud of this technological terror you've created, the ability to destroy planets is insignificant next to the power of the force", which made his character more mysterious generally than just a typical villainous trope.

    • @bencarlson4300
      @bencarlson4300 Год назад +4

      OT Vader will always be great

    • @Danderson-pr4vj
      @Danderson-pr4vj 9 месяцев назад

      It was a good line but one wonders why, if that's the case, Vader didn't force-crush the planet after Luke destroyed the Death Star

    • @blurqeqoherds
      @blurqeqoherds 5 месяцев назад +4

      ​@Danderson-pr4vj My takeaway from that line was that the power of the Force is the power to control the minds of people, which is ultimately far more important for a ruler than blunt instruments of violence. The Death Star can kill as a means to an end, terrorizing the populace into passivity, but that's just a roundabout means of reaching the same goal. The Empire as presented in the original film seemed to have to rely on things like that specifically because it didn't have enough people like Vader using the power of "ancient religions", and that was what he was telling the military off for.

  • @thdark
    @thdark 2 года назад +222

    Jay saying he feels the action scenes felt awkward and slow, and Rich and Mike think he means he wants "Silly Prequels over-action" was the most baffling thing lol.

    • @nutyyyy
      @nutyyyy 2 года назад +21

      Which is hilarious considering their views on the sequels not redeeming the prequels (which they dont) but one thing being shit doesn't make the other shit thing good. Though I loved the review and can't bring myself to really hate on Kenobi, I just stopped watching after the first episode because I didn't care. It was the same with the sequels. I saw TFA once thought it was meh and then never got around to watching the other two.

    • @DaBoweh
      @DaBoweh 2 года назад +15

      More like ‘awkward and slow’ is the typical criticism that idiots who like the prequels say about the original trilogy. They’re responding to Jay’s critique with a comparison between the prequels and OT because it’s a good segue to bring up that comparison, not because they assume Jay wants prequel saber duels.

    • @joshimura1995
      @joshimura1995 2 года назад +20

      ​@@DaBoweh I wouldnt call these people idiots tho. Its just their opinion. Liking the PT is fine .

    • @osidiusemphatic3505
      @osidiusemphatic3505 2 года назад +11

      I think it's a default thought process in an age of extremism. It's the same with what they talk about in the end regarding The Last Jedi. I don't think fans hate that Luke is "a loser" in the film, it's that he's transformed into one by taking away his defining traits and having him ramble about laser swords while drinking green milk. A Luke who was crestfallen because his most important padawan (whose name I can't recall, so I'll refer to him as Adam Driver aka Darth Cranky Pants) fell to the dark side is a way of setting up a character arc without going to extremes, and would have appealed to both sides of the fan base.

    • @ayankhanayankhan2012
      @ayankhanayankhan2012 2 года назад

      Theres nothing wrong with prequel action

  • @DanielG411
    @DanielG411 2 года назад +148

    25 million dollars per episode for Mike and Rich to say they love the cheapness of the series lmao

    • @mattgottesmann3514
      @mattgottesmann3514 2 года назад +32

      Just goes to show they managed to make 25 million look as cheap as a Telenovela with a worse story and execution.

    • @adamlouis3725
      @adamlouis3725 2 года назад

      hollywood is a scam.

    • @AlexxxPerales
      @AlexxxPerales 2 года назад +12

      Must be going to the actors

    • @Senpaiaproves
      @Senpaiaproves 2 года назад

      At this point the writing in teresa was better lmao its an early 2000s mexican novela

  • @bobbyevans8136
    @bobbyevans8136 2 года назад +149

    Jay doing his best Ewan McGregor cosplay in this episode, such commitment!

  • @cellophanezebra4663
    @cellophanezebra4663 2 года назад +52

    22:29 The editing in this is powerful, i laughed out loud at this

    • @henrikr7445
      @henrikr7445 2 года назад +8

      Obi’s eyes are like “what have you become Anakin!?”

  • @liquidthens
    @liquidthens 2 года назад +48

    Watching Obi-wans's reaction to Darth Vader dancing with the storm troopers is priceless.

  • @sterling7
    @sterling7 2 года назад +828

    Tatooine being a hotbed of action and intrigue in the intervening years just seems wrong. Wrong in the same way as Leia's ship being at the battle in "Rogue One". For Leia to claim that she's on a diplomatic mission when her ship just flew out of a firefight suddenly goes from clever subterfuge to the most ludicrously obvious of lies. And Luke only suddenly recognizing as an adult that he has a part to play in an intergalactic struggle requires that his early years *actually* have been pretty quiet, not that he and everyone around him was oblivious, lying, or both.

    • @Ricman78
      @Ricman78 2 года назад +130

      “If there’s a bright center of the universe, you’re on the planet it is furthest from.” Luke wanted to get off Tatooine because he craved adventure. “This one. A long time have I watched. Always as he looked away to the future to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. What he was doing.”

    • @dazzleheart2789
      @dazzleheart2789 2 года назад +12

      Leia ship was at the battle in Rogue one? I thought that was a different ship that flew from the battle to her ship somewhere else. idk.

    • @sgste
      @sgste 2 года назад +32

      I would agree about your comments about Leia, if they hadn't just gotten out of a firefight with Vader's ship right from the first shot of ep 4. "We're a diplomatic mission" "Then why were you shooting at us, princess?" "You shot first!"

    • @thewkovacs316
      @thewkovacs316 2 года назад +57

      there are scenes that were cut from new hope that make it clear that tatooine is boring...at least for luke
      the prequels and this retcon have rendered most of the original series, meaningless

    • @hilotakenaka
      @hilotakenaka 2 года назад +24

      @@thewkovacs316 eh I’d argue the prequels didn’t do too much to harm it. It was just an insignificant planet owned by the Hutt that Qui-Gon just needed a hyperdrive from
      When the Empire took over they likely just told the Hutt to scram but then did nothing with it. Hence the whole “insignificant rock” part

  • @AllThatJuice-
    @AllThatJuice- 2 года назад +117

    All I needed from this show was quality character work. Obi-Wan is a character with a lot of potential and it feels completely squandered

    • @swans184
      @swans184 2 года назад +17

      Same with Book of Boba Fett. The name is the one and only draw and reason for the show to exist, to keep people subscribed. Everything else is secondary

    • @Owl90
      @Owl90 2 года назад +11

      They can't have good male white characters, the show's about Leia.

  • @colemacgrath8513
    @colemacgrath8513 Год назад +13

    "I always hear producers talking in my head"

  • @shadowxps
    @shadowxps 2 года назад +342

    Every time I think Obi Wan has the potential to be really special it manages to do something incredibly embarrassing instead. What a strange show.

    • @handznet
      @handznet 2 года назад +11

      So true. Its such a wasted chance

    • @micahclawrence
      @micahclawrence 2 года назад +26

      Every time? Lol this show was quickly unsalvageable

    • @aarondavis8943
      @aarondavis8943 2 года назад +12

      At least he's not as boring as uncle Owen, the glorified baby-sitter and morose lump. I'm now glad he gets cooked.

    • @thisbubblygoodness7611
      @thisbubblygoodness7611 2 года назад +9

      @@aarondavis8943 the fuck does Uncle Owen have to do with anything tho, even in Kenobi he doesn't play a big role lol

    • @HS-eq3gk
      @HS-eq3gk 2 года назад +9

      WE NEED THAT OWEN SHOW PLEASE DISNEY

  • @nerdimmunity7672
    @nerdimmunity7672 2 года назад +480

    Mike’s only way to stay sane is to lower expectations to a point where nothing matters, which means his review can’t be trusted, Picard broke him 🤣

    • @Dragonage2ftw
      @Dragonage2ftw 2 года назад

      Cringey.

    • @sdrebels13
      @sdrebels13 2 года назад +49

      They made a brand off of hating the prequels, so they have to try as hard as possible to pretend the new Star Wars stuff is passable. It’s hard to watch lol, they can’t allow themselves to admit that Disney Star Wars is worse

    • @nerdimmunity7672
      @nerdimmunity7672 2 года назад +8

      @@sdrebels13 I think they are trying to be contrarians, well Mike is anyway.

    • @SK008
      @SK008 2 года назад +13

      @@sdrebels13 from what I can see, they have seen the destruction of the franchises they grew up with.. "compared to star trek, this isn't that bad" is their whole vibe here.. with hating the prequels because prequels sucked and they always will even though I believe that sequels were worse than prequels.. they do have criticisms of the show.. but they are really cynical to the point where they don't care that much..

    • @sdrebels13
      @sdrebels13 2 года назад +17

      @@SK008 yeah I’m not saying the prequels are masterpieces by any stretch, but I think you have to at least respect Lucas’ willingness to experiment and try new things. Especially considering how bland and uncreative Hollywood is nowadays. At least the prequels have interesting visual motifs and thought-out design languages from a production POV

  • @alphabetsoup3610
    @alphabetsoup3610 2 года назад +497

    Most realistic episode of The Nerd Crew yet.

  • @pwshaw10
    @pwshaw10 2 года назад +114

    I can’t believe they’re trying to convince themselves it’s a good show. Didn’t see that one coming.

    • @zetterburger
      @zetterburger 2 года назад +5

      They never did that

    • @HextimusDuex
      @HextimusDuex 2 года назад +4

      I feel almost exactly like them I think. I'm still more of a defender than them but I'm a realist. The show barely pulls it off but they did pull it off.

    • @reek4062
      @reek4062 2 года назад +3

      @@HextimusDuex the show surpassed a low bar handily

    • @jerome1lm
      @jerome1lm 2 года назад +6

      They subverted your expectations.

  • @LastHazzerd
    @LastHazzerd 2 года назад +470

    thank goodness Jay was here with the point of view of someone who didn't slog through scifi trash to get to this point.

    • @ssznull3138
      @ssznull3138 2 года назад +19

      “Thank god jay is here to validate my opinion” you can relax now

    • @enjoshi-godrez8775
      @enjoshi-godrez8775 2 года назад +31

      @@ssznull3138 to be fair. Mike and Rich agree with him, but then chose to completely ignore it. As a review, thats a no no. I guess thats not the vibe they wanted from this (just 3 guys talking unprompted).

    • @kahir8642
      @kahir8642 2 года назад +31

      @@ssznull3138 Having my opinions validated is awesome. As a person with correct opinions I can only be happy that others share them.

    • @seagullsays5831
      @seagullsays5831 2 года назад +17

      @@ssznull3138 Sorry that some really stupid stuff that should be questioned was said in this review I guess? "It feels cheap but I like that" was my personal favourite.

  • @Lonequacker
    @Lonequacker 2 года назад +123

    I like how Mike's interest in the idea of a padawan becoming an inquisitor is something straight out of Jedi Fallen Order while Rich joking about the idea of Darth Maul coming back for revenge and them having a showdown on tattooine was actually one of the few good moments from Star Wars Rebels.

    • @KTr0ck
      @KTr0ck 2 года назад +36

      its like we’ve already explored all the ideas for star wars. and now we’re just doing them again

    • @lucas169
      @lucas169 2 года назад +24

      @@KTr0ck I've come to the realization that this show is just poor man's Jedi Fallen Order.

    • @treefingers6572
      @treefingers6572 2 года назад +6

      I hope to God they don't try to pointlessly "live-action" it and replicate it for this show, unless it is the scene 1:1. It's a really great end for Maul.

    • @saloz9483
      @saloz9483 2 года назад +6

      @@lucas169 Oh yea when I started to see more Reva I noticed she was just a low rent version of the sister from fallen order.

    • @Ammoniumbicarbonat
      @Ammoniumbicarbonat 2 года назад +2

      @@KTr0ck I don't even think that's true, but Disney seem laser-focused on setting all their Star Wars-related material within and just after the era of the 6 original movies when there's literally millennia of different lore and stories they could explore or just plain make up. I mean look at older stuff like Knights of the Old Republic and you'll see that there's something fresh to be gotten out of it if they had even a little creativity.

  • @Mozts1
    @Mozts1 2 года назад +474

    Mike failing to mention they did the "recorded voice" thing with Majel Barrett (the voice of the ship's computer in TNG) is scary. Is Mike all right? I hope everything is okay.

    • @ezride445
      @ezride445 2 года назад +55

      That’s the dementia progressing

    • @Swarm509
      @Swarm509 2 года назад +13

      Technically it has been done with a number of Trek actors to use with the game Elite Dangerous. I don't think it is "every word" but is is a few thousand phrases that are said depending on the action taken/situation in the game. I wouldn't be surprised if between this and the shows they have been on over the years an AI will be created that can seamlessly match them. Throw in a person who can very closely match them for missing words and bam, VO forever.

    • @AndyAnonymous
      @AndyAnonymous 2 года назад +11

      They went to all that trouble to record her voice phonetically, but now in Picard they're not even using it.

    • @djangofett4879
      @djangofett4879 2 года назад

      her name is Nurse chapel, you nerd!

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 2 года назад

      @@abchernin PPSD

  • @TheDarkLasombra
    @TheDarkLasombra Год назад +16

    Sucks that Andor isn't a flagship release for SW. So these guys won't bother even though it's the best thing from Star Wars since the OT.

  • @ZGGuesswho
    @ZGGuesswho 2 года назад +126

    This was a really good discussion on The Batman and it was cool to finally hear Mike and Rich's take

  • @ItsAGundam
    @ItsAGundam 2 года назад +377

    Obi-Wan is my Picard....

    • @shapoopy2964
      @shapoopy2964 2 года назад +18

      love your videos my dude!!

    • @Aikurisu
      @Aikurisu 2 года назад +26

      Same. Obi-wan is one of the greatest characters in that galaxy. To see what Disney is doing to him now is pretty much heresy.

    • @lordkrauser
      @lordkrauser 2 года назад +23

      Book of Boba Fett was mine, Papa Gundam. They pulled some Dragon Ball Evolution shit with how badly they bungled Boba Fett as a character. Now I dread the day they pull a Palpatine prequel or even a Grievous series out of their gaping, talentless asses.

    • @CharlieD.706
      @CharlieD.706 2 года назад +4

      I give it 2 cans of tuna out of 10

    • @Liberty_or_Ded
      @Liberty_or_Ded 2 года назад +11

      Yep.
      The knife has been driven too far into my heart, and my ability to appreciate pre-Disney Star Wars is now actually being poisoned in my mind.

  • @the_real_schopenhauer985
    @the_real_schopenhauer985 2 года назад +126

    Love how the guys do a quick off the cuff review about it in passing and jokingly, and it's still the most accurate review of Jurassic World Dominion I've seen yet.....

    • @za-ir5ni
      @za-ir5ni 2 года назад +4

      Well they said it was okay. Which definitely isn't true lol

    • @the_real_schopenhauer985
      @the_real_schopenhauer985 2 года назад +1

      @@za-ir5ni True, it's atrocious, lol. But their description of it is spot on.

    • @lukedavis1436
      @lukedavis1436 2 года назад +1

      It's all about that Dino action.

  • @mrkemrk
    @mrkemrk 2 года назад +228

    RLM has gotten to the point when they need to regard SW as farce/satire to appreciate it.
    They're not wrong. I just watched a 5'3" woman slap a Stormtrooper upside the head and fall unconscious.

    • @sentienttaco9134
      @sentienttaco9134 2 года назад +35

      No, not even! She literally just open-palm pushed their face away, and managed to hit some hidden "self destruct" nerve, like it was some sorta hack martial arts technique.

    • @coulahawke1411
      @coulahawke1411 2 года назад +4

      Lol 🤣 I think to appreciate ANY piece of media made for children, you're gonna need to form some sort of dissonance hehee. Maybe try watching something at LEAST made for teens 😹. I mean you sound like a 15 year old over-using words he just learned to sound mature ("farce/satire"??? Just pick one word bro 😂) so I think you might enjoy that content more

    • @mrkemrk
      @mrkemrk 2 года назад +40

      @@coulahawke1411 I don't enjoy the overuse of emojis.
      I know crap writing and poor character development when I see it. And the oooold argument that SW is made for children to explain away elementary production value and stupid plot holes has just become tedious and predictable.
      So yeah, throw me a sad/crying face. Or a laughy face. Or just a strategically placed lol.

    • @coulahawke1411
      @coulahawke1411 2 года назад +8

      @@mrkemrk "I don't enjoy the overuse of emojis 🤓."

    • @kingrippzard2027
      @kingrippzard2027 2 года назад +30

      @@coulahawke1411 damn so kids don’t deserve at least an ok show? Poor kids.

  • @dank.sinatra
    @dank.sinatra 2 года назад +410

    This is a great episode! Glad to see The Nerd Crew back, missed you guys

    • @talaris-uk
      @talaris-uk 2 года назад +80

      Did the check clear? Do I like it?

    • @winstonsmith8482
      @winstonsmith8482 2 года назад +55

      OBI-WAN was VERY COOL! I saw it and I clapped. Consume shitty product, then get excited for next shitty product!

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 2 года назад +13

      Remember the Mantra!

    • @VashdaCrash
      @VashdaCrash 2 года назад +19

      Hum, it's weird when someone becomes what they were parodying some time ago.

    • @Feastfit
      @Feastfit 2 года назад +11

      very cool

  • @afromattt
    @afromattt 2 года назад +203

    Me: OH FINALLY THEY ARE GOING TO TEAR INTO THIS SHOW!
    Me 1 hour later: oh Jay is the only sane human left. Picard lowered their standards to nothing.

    • @loganpollock760
      @loganpollock760 2 года назад +9

      L

    • @davyboy9397
      @davyboy9397 2 года назад +16

      Jay likes the best films. I guess Rich and Mike haven't watched Book of Boba Fett, don't like the Prequels and went unto this with literally zero expectations.....

    • @davyboy9397
      @davyboy9397 2 года назад +7

      @Logan Pollock
      No, you

    • @shapoopy2964
      @shapoopy2964 2 года назад +21

      yeah what a let down

  • @joseaguilar3323
    @joseaguilar3323 2 года назад +60

    I love how their worst case scenario for season 2 was something that already happened in Star Wars: Rebels.

    • @Jobother
      @Jobother Год назад +10

      And to be fair, it was a damn good episode of rebels

  • @gm2256
    @gm2256 2 года назад +18

    Every now and then you guys release a video that I find so rewatchable. This, the recent Bruce Willis ones, Moneyplane...I guess it's really interesting to my brain to hear you guys theory craft about the people behind the ideas, and how certain actors get caught up in terrible stuff and why. Anyways, thanks guys for the entertainment over the years!