The Death of Movie Theaters - Beyond the Black Void
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- Mike and Jay sit down to talk about what everyone is talking about this week after the flop of Furiosa and Garfield and others. Chase that algorithm, fatty!
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Theaters are dying because people would rather watch Mike and Jay talk about movies than actually watching the movies.
"RLM presents" is going to be the first studio credit before the majority of major tent-pole pictures in theaters.
As soon as they buy Disney...
So, it's their fault. IT'S THEIR FAULT!
THIS
I still sometimes hold off on watching Half in the Bag if it's a movie I'm interested in seeing myself first (Late Night with the Devil being a recent example), but I admit half of my reason for watching it is to compare notes with Mike and Jay afterwards 😂
@@FriendZone75 They did kinda accidently cause the star wars sequels.
“It’s so weird that Rich says he loves something.”
- Mike Stoklasa, man who hasn’t felt a positive emotion since 1999
*1979
what is this "positive emotion" you speak of?
He only feels positive emotions when elderly people get hurt
Come on, that’s not true and you know it. He loves seeing elderly people in pain
he seemed to not hate picard season 3...and vampire assassin?
Theaters are dying because people don't want to pay $18 to sit behind a group of kids playing with their phones, lighting up the room for two hours.
That’s one of the main reasons I stopped going. This cellphone nonsense has to stop.
I agee. I have watched someone in front of stream the film I was watching in the cinema on their phone.
They were probably Streaming HBO Max.
This is why I go in the morning/afternoon on a weekday when the schools aren't out, glad I work shifts and can do that.
Okay Boomer
Remember taking a marketing class for movies at USC about 15 years ago, and many of these kinds of things were brought up. Their answers boiled down to, "we tried that already," or "we don't want to do that." They want people to just return to the theaters without any changes to their business model.
Mike missed an obvious analogy with graveyards.
You used to have to drive all the way to the cemetary to mourn your loved ones, and only at certain times. But with cremations you can now mourn all day, every day from the comfort of your own living room.
11:33 newspaper was back in 1992
In 1979, my little brother knocked Uncle Bill's urn off the mantle while trying to hit me with a sofa cushion. He only streamed out of his canister for 36 seconds tops. Limited run, blink and you missed it. OG home streamers like my lil bro and I take it as it comes and will adapt.
whenever they show older movies at the cinema it's always full, Newer movies are almost always too fake and essentially just the same movie over again and are too long.
the food is too expensive here in the uk to take a family of four to a movie cost almost £100 which is money most people can't spare that much these days.
Streaming companies should buy the cinema chains and allow entry to the theatre as part of the subscription,
food prices should mirror supermarket prices
bring back practical effects and stunts
people hate how fake movies look
run times over 2.5 hours should have fewer trailers in fact trailers at movies are antiquated with the way modern movies are marketed
@@bobbyjones3351 "whenever they show older movies at the cinema it's always full" Because it's a limited run at a specific theater. The overall audience demand is much lower, but it doesn't matter since there's only going to be a few showings anyway.
Most of a movie theater's money come from concessions, not from selling tickets. Selling food at supermarket prices is a direct route to unprofitability. If it's really so important to not be hungry during the movie, why not just...eat before you go to the theater?
"Streaming companies should buy the cinema chains and allow entry to the theatre as part of the subscription." Why on Earth would they do that? Competition in streaming is already tough as everyone tries to build up their own streaming service, slashing services while increasing prices. There's no way they'd then want to add the price and complexity of running physical movie theaters to that mess, a business model which already appears to be in danger of fading out. In any case, movie theater chains are ALREADY trying subscription models.
oh my god youre right
There's a local theater in the town I live in that has, in recent years, changed their business model into playing cult films, b-movies, art films, foriegn films etc. and the theater is consistently full every time I go. Plus, the audience is usually comprised of people who care enough about what they're watching to not talk the entire time.
Hey guess what the audience everywhere is usually comprised of people who don't talk... you are buying into a narrative that doesn't exist and are so slow that you couldn't figure that out by yourself. The chances of your audience magically being the exception to the rule is so small it isn't even funny but you still bought into that nonsense.
@@thomgizzizexcuse me
@@thomgizzizYou seem like a really miserable person.
We had one in my area that screened actual film prints of older movies and cult classics. The audience ranged from quietly into it or having a good time and interacting depending on the film. Lots of fun. Then one night it was very clear that we were watching a blu-ray on a digital projector. They "upgraded." I think the guy that ran that program was pretty bummed. Those shows faded away shortly after.
@@coco-poufI won't have what he's having.
its funny to hear RLM say that movie theaters are dying for years but its another thing to realize "I won't be able to go to a movie theater anymore". That's what getting old feels like
No, you will, but it will be far more niche and expensive (probably).
@@kgjung2310 At this point it's gonna be less expensive to get a projector at home lmao
@@Talking_Ed Honestly I think my OLED monitor looks better than an IMAX screen better PPI and the black levels are better, its not 50 feet away and the motion clarity is insanely good. and for audio I have a decent set of planar headphones, and my chair is comfier and I can eat whatever I want while I watch. The whole point of a movie theatre was that was the best way to watch a movie but it doesn't feel that way anymore.
@@0Synergy Yeah but you're still watching a digitized version of an analog product, watching it analog is just different. It's like listening to vinyls.
@@Talking_Ed Bruh for one vinyls objectively have lower sound quality than a studio recording.flac, the screens movies use are digital there are no analog displays, and beyond all of that most movies aren't film anymore.
spending over an hour watching a film ❌
spending over an hour watching jay and mike talk about films ✅
As a former manager of a single screen mom-and-pop theater all I have to say is that Deluxe/Technicolor are such greedy assholes. If you want to get a film within the first four weeks that it's out you have to give up 90% of your ticket sales to the distributors. If you want a 50/50 split or better you have to wait like 2 months. It was always a major gamble on what to wait for and what to actually get right away. They also make these BS rules like; our movie is the only film that can be shown on any given screen. Meaning if we wanted to do an early and late show, we couldn't. You're forced to only play one movie for weeks! Once that got more common the business basically died. The biggest insult is that the theaters have to pay for movie posters. We're already giving them all the sales, and then they have the gall to ask theaters to pay for the movie's advertising too? Are you fucking kidding me?
with jews you lose
That is insane
@@elliefantyellow Its also a relatively new issue. The old movie executives knew that this was a give and take relationship. Since the early 00s, the suits have slowly decided that, in each sector, price gauging was a wise business strategy. We're now seeing how that is working out. That being that it isn't, and its costing everyone majorly.
intellectual property is a scam
I helped run a twin in the mid-90s when this bullshit was starting. Our theater performed great thanks to dedicated, hard-working staff and smart programming to maximize the utility of our limited screens. Then the distributors started screwing everything up with their rules. Within ten years, the theater was dead and the community had nowhere to see movies. What a waste.
Ironically, going to the theatre and seeing it half empty makes this this more favorite time to go to movies.
The few times I’ve been to the cinema in the last year, there’s only been a handful of people in there. It’s been great.
Same. Less of a chance to see people checking their super bright phones every 5 minutes too.
Get it while you can!
fr. I saw Godzilla -1 earlier this year and there were maybe 5 people and it was such a lovely experience
Only takes one person with their phone and or "smart" watch going off to ruin it.
Most normal/civilized film fans don’t want to put up with the film being ruined by human garbage every single time
That's the thing, movie cinemas need butts in the seats to stay in business but I love going to the cinema when there's next to nobody in there, at least that way there's less chance of the movie being ruined by some butt-hole!
Went to see godzilla minus one and I had to deal with a group of pre-teens laughing and talking in the back for the whole movie. Other than seeing a film right away there's really no reason to go to a theater.
Sat through 20+ minutes of trailers prior to Garfield. Then, sat through Garfield.
Why would you do that!?
At least you were entertained for 20 minutes.
Garfield wasn't THAT bad, but the 1985 halloween special is where it's at.
@vanillabatcave5677 Mine will always be the camping special, Garfield in the Rough.
Thar little tent with John's legs sticking out was engraved (not ingrained) into my brain when I was a child. That and the ridiculously catchy Garfield and Friends theme song.
@@pogglywoggly3292 Man why is Garfield so cool? It's just awesome.
Can't wait to cap off my weekend with the lighthearted entertainment of 2 elderly men telling me how horrible everything is now
I saw it and I clapped!
lol theyre middle aged, what elderly?! Jays in his prime!
@@gotenks5633chronic anemia and low blood pressure have taken their toll on jay.
They're on their downard path. Closer to elderly and death than to being young. Average American male lives 73.5 years. Mike is 45. Which means he probably has more time on this earth behind him than before him. Especially him being a fatso, alcoholic
This is our generation's Fox News
When I saw Furiosa the guy next to me decided to watch the NBA ECFs Game 1 Boston vs Ind on his phone. He went to a movie on opening night… and started watching a basketball game on his phone. He just ignored everyone around him that complained to him. That turd is the reason why i dont want to spend my money and time seeing a movie in the theaters anymore.
what a jerk! I guess I'm lucky that I never had anything like that happen to me
I'm sorry that happened to you - but I never miss a game.🥁
[crickets]
Is this thing on?
Leave the film, get a refund, never look back.
I had a similar experience, went to see furiosa on opening weekend with a group and it was just us and a couple in the whole theater. The couple both started scrolling tiktok about 10 minutes into the movie
I sat next to a group of teenagers when I went to watch the Eternals with some friends. They were on Snapchat at one point and I was so pissed off I just leant over and said “put your fucking phone away!!”.
If I have to miserable watching that film so does everyone else 😂😅
“If you don’t like it just don’t watch the movies then, we don’t care.”
“Wait - not like that”
Arcades died out in the 90s when everyone got “good enough” gaming hardware at home and now everyone has “good enough” home cinema equipment that the same is happening to movie theaters.
Local headlines from 2023 and 2024 (paraphrased): Japanese arcade gives shopping mall second life.
@@kneau Japan's just built different. Not necessarily better or worse. But different.
Japan has different demographics that don't cause everything fun to close because of people shooting places and generally acting foolish in public.
Is the DVD/Blu-ray selling increasing or decreasing since the year 2000? I would bet its decreasing.
@@hoobaguy4311 but "diversity is our strength" is what I've been told my entire life!
I think what would save movie theaters is more Nicole Kidman ads telling us why we go to movie theaters...while we are at the movie theaters.
My love affair with theaters started dying many years ago when they ran ads telling people not to pirate movies ... after we'd just paid to see a movie in that theater.
@@eforhanyeh😮
Right. Why don’t they get someone younger?
@@eforhan "You wouldn't steal a car..." but you will be forced to watch this commercial about something you obviously didn't do.
Fucking the pain away feels reel, in a place like this.
I bet Space Cop 2 could save theaters
Yes! 🤣🤣
I think you could be onto something
I'll bet 20 cans of beefaroni that it couldn't
I’m seeing a 3D IMAX release for that one. Go big or go home.
I am stupid enough to take that bet
In classic, golden age Hollywood (30s through early 60s), they were constantly making sequels, but they didn't call them sequels. Think about all the Cagney and Bogart gangster movies. They are basically remaking the same formulaic movie with the same actors that have proved successful, but they are changing up the names of characters and the plot just enough to make an "original" movie. Same thing with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers movies, Bing Crosby and Bob Hope movies, Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy movies, etc. Also, think of John Ford's so-called Calvary Trilogy. The three movies (Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Rio Grande) are technically not sequels, but they have many of the same actors, the same setting, and similar plot elements such that they are lumped together as a trilogy. The point is that Hollywood has always capitalized on audience familiarity with a winning formula by repeating it over again until it stops making money.
I haven't been to a movie theater since 2012. Why would I want to overpay, have idiots kicking my seat, talking, looking at their phones and loudly eating food 360 degrees around me, when I can watch from the comfort of my own living room... with the subtitles turned on too, since sound editors forgot how to do their jobs around a decade ago as well.
I actually saw it’s because of actors having a mics now and most just talk at a low volume instead of loudly when it had to be caught on the boom mic. They just talk normal or whisper and when increasing the volume there’s only so much they can do to not make it sound shit
I worked for 12 years in a small movie theater, it had about 180-200 (maybe 300+ on weekends) customers a night. It had 2 screens and was built in the 1950s and had retained its past stylings inside and out. it was 4 showings a night, and vintage films on Sundays. It was my favorite job i ever had, maybe the best time of my life. Most of the staff were the same for that 12 years, the atmosphere was very relaxed, there were never any incidents beyond a few customer complaints and some medical issues during showings, but nothing major. Nothing will replace the feeling of a movie theater to me, especially working in a quiet small town one. I met my girlfriend there, i met most of my friends there. The staff were respected, we were all good friends. And then slowly people stopped coming, we saw the signs for a while and then one day we were all told it would be closing down. There was a local campaign to keep it open, but it fell short and it closed. People wanted it to be open, they just did not want to pay to see what was coming out, and i can't blame them. It makes me so sad.
Dang it now I'm sad. Time is a very cruel buzzkill sometimes. I for one am not a fan of change but what you gonna do. I am lucky enough to have one of the countries last and kinda popular Drive In theaters near by. I should go more often.
Thank you for your beautiful comment. It was very touching.
We've still got a couple small theatres just like that in my city in Canada. 1 screen, and they show mostly older movies but do some new releases, like Tarantino n stuff
I’m sorry
This is beautifully bittersweet. Someone should make a movie about it.
It used to be that you didn't want to go to the theaters in the first 2 weeks of a movie release cuz you knew it would be crowded and wouldn't get good seats. Now you have to see in those first couple weeks cuz it might be out of theaters by then.
👏
Relatable
Spoilers. If I don't watch it opening weekend I'm flooded with 10 articles of what the ending actually means..per day
@@devontufts1291 Why do you keep consuming entertainment-media? I can't for the life of me remember when I last saw an article discussing the plot of a movie. Perhaps Inception? You consume absolute slop and then act like it's not your own fault.
@@Josh_728 oh I'm a lore whore and theory crafter. I enjoy reading connections that were missed and speculation into meaning. Gives more than just consuming the surface of a subject. But that doesn't prevent Twitter, discord and Facebook posts. Articles generated on content I haven't looked at.
Small side note, I am hesitant to go to a theater because that is a high concentration of catalytic converter thefts are there.
It's k. I had mine stolen on the street directly in front of my apartment. At least at the theater I could've been entertained while it happened!
I'm now suddenly reminded of that episode of 'Aqua Teen Hunger Force' where Carl and Meatwad go to the movie theater and Carl ropes Meatwad into helping him steal catalytic converters from the parked cars.
Man, who could forget Oppenhower? One of my favorite blockbursters!
Oppenhauser*
Was looking for this comment 🤣🤣🤣 suprised more people didn't notice.
Went to see Furiosa on Friday. Only person in the theater. 3 people came in 10 mins late, sat directly behind me, and talked the entire time.
It's a guarantee, if there is even one other patron in the theater, they will talk and or text.
Keep strapped
I had a very similar situation at planet of the apes, 3 dudes talking, throwing food and making super loud monkey noises. After about 20-30min of this I stood up and approached them. Told them to stop or I’ll have you thrown out. After another 5min they all got up and left themselves.
@honestabe411 i love how that's ur read of the situation 😂😂
@@atomicalien4 Someone making noise? Dead
Jay looks like a saved by the bell extra and mike looks like a magician who started drinking before the kids birthday party.
So just how Mike is everyday?
so mike is like the clown in uncle buck then
Can't start drinking when he never stopped...
@VengerDFW are you actually drinking if that's your sole reason to exist?
His name was the Max and he was also a sbtb extra
That ending with the montage of James Gun speaking of the upcoming DC movies and the news segments about closing cinemas is Brutal.
Alot of people have GIANT, 4K OLED Tv's and a surround system to go along with their comfy couch. Access to a close bathroom, their kitchen and a fridge full of cold beer they can share with a group of actual friends....and not have to pay for any tickets. Let alone for a group of 6 people...also access to a pause button.
Mike has been waiting decades to tell this story. It's amazing to hear from someone who saw the invention of the movie theater in 1896 and lived to see its end today. Old people have the best stories.
11:33 that newspaper clipping was back in 1992
Now im picturing Rich as a young scamp in a 50s usher's uniform. Being barked at by his abusive boss, Mike, for not sweeping far enough under the seats.
I didn’t know he was the same age as Joe Biden
Imagine being Shigeru Miyamoto.
i just realized why rich loves fury road. theres only 2 trees in the entire movie and theyre dead
Instead of people walking around the forest for the entire film, it's people driving around the desert, a key difference, I assure you
In Mad Max, the weirdos are the characters on screen. In the forest movies, the weirdo is the director.
Rich: Dont you know who I am
Me: Yeah, guy eating rice. What's that?
Rich: It's a good movie
Me: I've never seen a good movie before. Does it have any trees?
Rich: 2 trees
Me: Well that's beautiful
Rich: They're dead
Mike and Jay always talk about "shooting the rodeo".
Rich hates shooting the woods movies.
And I didn't see a single chable.
Malls in decline have to also impacted end of movie theaters.
Good point
Never thought of that
Create micro-theaters similar to Korean karaoke rooms. Rent the room for the duration of the number of movies. Modify the rooms to accommodate vaping, alcohol, whatever. Make each room themed. Bill as a luxury experience with friends and family
That isn't that much more different than just watching a movie at home
@@brickbrickerston7099 exactly
Thats a good idea honestly, i could totally see it working
We already have those private rooms. People will still try to do the nasty in them, despite knowing there is CCTVs
@@ChrisHuppey I mean if they bought a private room for themselves, is it really a problem???
I feel like a glazed over part of this is how tied the idea of movie theaters is tied to the death of malls.
Cinemas served as a destination in the ecosystem of a mall. You would go with your friends to the movies, but the night would also be a venture of shopping and getting something to eat, all in a highly localized, convenient environment.
Now that ecosystem is dying, more work is required to get the same experience and people are just going elsewhere.
Great point!
Yep, streaming and Amazon, your local community is dead
But cinemas are dying in countries like mine where "malls" are if little importance (and we don't call them malls, a mall is a fancy open air shopping street)
That's only true for theaters in malls. I do agree though that one potential way to save then is to make it a unique night out instead of a 2 hour event that you can do for cheaper at home.
@@TheDrunkMunk yet here in thailand they are still big
I live in Denmark, and here more and more theaters, big and small, have started having special screenings of classic films. Everything from Nosferatu to Jurassic Park to Interstellar. Big classic films, small niche films. Every showing I've been to over the last few years have had filled seats all around.
Yeah Interstellar is a classic film... yeah those classic harry potter films and that classic barbie film. smh
I wish this was more common, I'd love to see some classic movies I missed on big screen. And now there are multiple generations of people that never even had an opportunity to see those great old movies in theater.
@@thomgizziz it's a classic, decade old film that a lot of people love and want to see on the big screen. My point was to say that they have 100 year old films as well as 10 year old films. But I love your wonderful attitude!
It would be nice to see that. There's a company in the US that does events like that, Fathom. They did for example a different Ghibli movie every month, in certain theaters.
Also hi! Love your animations!
Same in Poland, big multiplexes (basically only thing that lasted) are now doing special limited screenings for classic movies, like Possession (Jay's favorite), Lynch's movies, Ghibli movies, etc. It used to be only Thursday but now it's Monday and Thursday. Watching Fire Walk With Me in a packed cinema was something. It's great for people that haven't seen the movies, as well as those that want to experience in again on big screen and maybe they didn't get a chance before. Then again, a movie ticket in Poland is $8 for a person and nowhere near the $25 in US.
The only bad thing about this is that they are digital projections of Blu-ray's instead of the actual 35mm projections. But yeah, I don't think anyone outside of IMAX does film projection anymore (and in Poland you don't even have actual film projection available, in case of IMAX best you can get is 70mm digital laser or 2K xenon).
I distinctly remember watching the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy at the cheap theaters when they first came out. Even on those rattling, dusty speakers and worn-out screen, still the best movie-going experience I've ever had.
I'm lucky enough to be near a few "art house" type theaters and will probably go see "Furiosa" at the theater, but yeah, the main deterrent to people going back to theaters is the cost.
Alright, I figured this out. A single person at the movie theatre has the chance to ruin it for everybody by taking out their phone at MAX BRIGHTNESS, distracting everyone. It needs just one, this wasn't the case pre-smartphone. Such a situation is untenable. Every single screening I have seen in the last years involved some heated discussion with somebody who refused to put their phone away
As someone who works at a movie theater, let me just say that I have not been given a consistent schedule for the last 3 months and neither have any of my coworkers
As someone who used to work in movie theatres, I feel your pain.
It takes special kind of power tripper to manage a theatre, and their staff are always at the bottom of the priority list.
Does your theatre also have a special 3 people who do nothing, but also do no wrong?
Both of these guys mike and jay are fools - And they WANTED fakeversity, Well they GOT their nightmare instead of GOOD, MOVIES. Bunch of hypocrites that they are with blinders on. +
@@gatorhoy0420 Well theater staff being treated badly won't be a problem anymore, because theaters are closing down.
if it’s unacceptable to you then stop accepting it
.. Maybe your movies that go into there should stop SUCKING and then people will stop hating YOUR workplace, And hollywood. Not that mike or jay understands that anymore. +
Tarantino’s two movie theaters are a fun way to see classic films. He serves classic sodas, plays cartoons and trailers related to the feature, and has a strict no phone policy. The Vista is better than the New Beverly, IMO.
I just visited the Vista like two weeks ago (we watched Once Upon a Time in the West) and while it was a great experience, I was kind of shocked at how empty the matinee show was. If I had to guess, I’d say about 15% of the seats were filled.
It’s an awesome place, but there was definitely a sense of sadness underlining it all - you could feel that the glory days are long gone.
As someone living in Japan,the movie theatre experience is very different here. People are quiet and attentive and even stay seated till the end credits finish rolling.
@@1ncognitus Immigration will change that
@@RoboKestrel Immigration in Japan? What are you smoking? Japan will would willingly die out before letting people immigrate
@@Idziemel1 I saw Once Upon a Time in the West at the Vista, too. The evening crowd was a good size. What was amazing was the print of the movie; almost pristine.
It does not help that the writing has become abysmal and many of the people that work in the industry like actors and directors are out of touch with reality and crappy people.
word.
That’s literally always been the case, the internet has just made it more obvious. Stop being so obtuse.
Circle back to their remarks about the strike.
Yeah, to pay to watch someone play out an ai-generated text... doesn't sit right with me :/
@@cardboard2night AI Generated text would be better than the middle school drivel we are being told is "good".
The blaming of one....
The blaming of two....
The blaming of maaaannnnny....
Yep, I stole that last bit.
It’s not only theaters that are dying but comedy movies, award shows, action movies, original movies, movie stars, summer block busters, music and culture in general.
Even if everybody in the theater is being perfectly civil, watching 20 minutes of ads before the picture starts is INFURIATING.
Followed by another 20 minutes of previews at full volume...
Why are you showing up 20 minutes early?
20 minutes before the scheduled start time then 30 minutes after to the point you forgot what you came to see.
I show up at the theater *at showtime*. Getting my ticket printed (I need the hard copy), going in, getting popcorn and maybe a soda (if there's a good collectible cup) and getting to my seat burns up most of that stupid ad and preview time. It's not like years ago, when you needed to get in to get a good seat. I already have my seat, so I can miss all of that nonsense.
@@mechadekaDune 2 started 24 minutes after showtime for me
The only way to prevent the death of movie theaters is to rerelease the Phantom Menace again! I’m sure people will like it this time!
"Here we go again... _again"_
There has never been a Phantom Menace movie. Someday perhaps.
@@jeremy____5747 “Hopefully it’ll work”
I just watched it in the cinema a few weeks ago here in Tokyo. They had a single showing everyday, for 4 days and they all sold out
"Do it you cowards" - Mike Who?
For me, I hate people, I hate being around them, and the less time in a stranger's presence, the better
Lol
You'd make a bad guest for BOTW
Then why are you always in front of me at the cinema?
Matt Damon interviewed on Hot Ones a while back and made another good point why studios don't take risks anymore. And one of the biggest reasons is the sales of VHS/DVDs/Blu-ray died out. He pointed out that a studio could still recoup their investment even if it didn't do well in theaters because of the sales of tangible copies of the movie down the road.
thank god a new upload. i just got a 37 pound bag of chocolate pretzels. now i dont have to eat them alone in the dark.
I know you're being serious
holy fuck, I had forgotten of the existence of chocolate pretzels! THANK YOU I NEED TO GET SOME.
Sadly they tend to be quite expensive over here in the UK compared to the US; we consider that sort of thing a "snack" or "treat" rather than, presumably, a healthy, balanced part of an actual meal as it no doubt is over the pond, I suppose that's why. You know, like how rice and other staple foods are cheap - you yanks need your pretzels, candy bars, sugar-frosted deep-fried burgers dipped in bacon grease and skittles etc.
@@GuyDude-hk8uy it'll probably cost too much. But Reese's has a good chocolate covered pretzel
When you say 37 pound... you mean £37 or 37lbs?
If it was £37 I'd hazard a guess you bought it in a movie theatre, and probably contains half a pretzel and some listeria.
Now you are alone in the black void
i was half expecting this to just be an hour of clips of movie theaters closing
You are trying to be clever and you just aren't.
Initially, every studio in Hollywood rejected "Raiders of the Lost Ark" because the budget was too low for a production of such scale. If Hollywood would unleash new talent with horror movie budgets, but complete creative freedom, you might see a turnaround in Hollywood. Another consideration is earlier sequels decades ago were of a much higher quality than the ones produced today.
Mike looks like he's about to pull out a pipe that works off bubbles
I agree with Mike. Graveyards have been completely obsolete since the invention of clean and affordable taxidermy.
Just consider this if we took all the land graveyards and golf courses sit on no one would be homeless
@@ZoeiiZiZZles As somebody who's been to Wyoming, I don't follow that logic at all.
@BackdoorBarnyard maybe you should watch more George Carlin.
No one’s ever really gone
@@stuffilike6755 what graveyard is he performing in?
There's a college theater near my hometown that plays massive marathons. Like if a new fast and furious movies comes out they'll play the entire franchise in order and finish with the new movie. They would charge quite a bit for a ticket and encourage the audience to bring in blankets, pillows, tents, and sprawl out throughout the theater on the floor. It's very fun spending an entire day at the theater.
What about food?
@@brothirStash it in your stash.
Something that put the modern release window in perspective was Godzilla Minus 1. The 7 month wait for it to come to video and digital felt like an eternity but not even a few year ago that would have been the norm if not quicker then average.
You mean that monopolized production studios betting the farm on endless sequels, (soft) reboots, and prequels making money forever didn't pan out?
It's ironic that the introduction or massification of the "comic book movie" made movie making stagnate. Now both the american movie and comic book industry mirror each other: Giant behemots banking on nostalgia, constantly rebooting, not allowing any creative voiced that change the statu quo too much and paying shit to the real talents.
Wouldn't be surprised if just how manga today hilariously outsells super hero comics, some other player starts outselling Hollywood.
Not entirely true. They’re starting to adapt basically every video game ever to film. I’m sure it won’t happen again.
@@dr6559 I forgot to put "established IP slop" into my original comment.
@@transmascswag Videogame are following the same dangerous trends, the last decade we had A LOT of remakes or "remasters". Even fucking Last of Us 2 which is not even 10 years old got a remaster.
@@RockoEstalon Bethesda pioneered this with Skyrim too
Mike casually dropping that Plinkett is dead 8 minutes into an hour video is so wonderful.
What is dead can always be… reborn
@@LookToWindward "Noone's ever really gone"
“Somehow Mr. Pickett returned”
The fight in the beggining was in my beloved country Brazil, i could tell by the language but mainly by the whole vibe!
The idea of 'we are not going to put this movie on streaming for a long, long time' is actualy the only way to save theatres. Inside Out 2 proofs that. Make movies cheaper, make tickets cheaper and don't dump them on streaming after 4 weeks.
The opening also reminded me how trash local news is.
Not like anyone watches that anymore.
This is such a Jay take I read it to the sound of his voice.
The news is basically:
-Death in eastern side of the world
-man brought gun to school and shot 10 people
-city xyz flooded
-random message about failing politics
-criminal set free for... reasons but didn't last 1 day before falling to old habits
-tensions rise between {insert 2 unpronounceable names}
Yeah, the news is trash because its the same damn negatively spiral day in day out.
Except the olds
Enough people do, unfortunately.
I only see it at doctors appointments lol. I legit think passive viewing at airports, doctors, etc counts for a large number of “viewers”. And then probably the state of Florida because of the olds
They kind of talked around the single biggest factor affecting theaters. No one’s going to the movies when grocery bills are hitting $200+. The price increases due to interest rate changes over the last several years have eliminated luxury spending on things like movie tickets. Until prices fall or wages increase, theaters are going to stay empty.
That also comes into the competition discussion. Entertainment is still an important part of peoples lives, and you can always find cheaper alternatives. The increase popularity in jigsaw puzzles during COVID showed this.
I think you meant to say price gouging and profiteering instead of interest rate changes.
Yes, and also corporate price gouging. A bunch of corporate retail and restaurant chains announced they were lowering prices specifically because their sales are down, meaning the only reason they raised their prices to begin with is because corporate imperative for constant, year over year profit growth will always be more important than customer wellbeing. Also, many mid-tier operations (such as regional chains) are run by investment firms who are even less interested in slashing prices because it’s cheaper for them to run a business into the ground by milking it for every dollar and then filing for bankruptcy. It’s high interest rates on the one end and corporate greed on the other, across virtually every industry
That and it feels like every movie that comes out now is pretty much the same shitty one as the next. Safe, gross, corporate schlock
£14 or £15 for a ticket that might be for a film that sucks. Seems safer to bet on sports these days.
There's one theatre near me that does £5 tickets but obviously it's the lowest quality screens in the area.
As a pretty casual viewer, I don't go to the movie theater anymore because it feels like ENDLESS TRASH and I'd rather spend my $20 on something that doesn't suck because I make less than that an hour
I go to cemeteries.
Cheaper and no popcorn-munchers.
I watched this while working a shift at a dead theater. I’m a manager of a few, I go to different locations as I’m needed. I do this because there’s no justification in keeping staff at one theater. It costs too much. We can go entire days with less than 100 customers. This year has been the most telling. The writing is on the wall, this industry has less than ten years remaining.
Prices for my theater are 8.50 a ticket for adults, 7.00 for children, seniors, and military. 9.00 for a massive bucket of popcorn. Low pricing / good value will not save theaters. Trust me. It’s a public interest thing, not so much to do with economics.
Do you play old movies? That would help
Fewer. You get fewer than a hundred customers
@all4tanuki, my point was understood, nerd. thought grammar nazis were long gone.
@@bleack8701 Funny enough, we're running a Studio Ghibli fest all year round with classic anime movies that are doing terribly. We just ran the entire Twilight series and had a total of 40 customers. We're going to be running the Lord of the Rings franchise later on. It will also fail to bring people in.
I live in Osaka, Japan. Our movie theaters are still doing very well, on occassion when I see foreign films like American films, they are always very full. Perhaps movie theaters failing in America is a sign of changes in American culture.
Same, i live in México and people love go to the movie theater, is a USA thing
It’s not all across the US either. In my state, I haven’t heard of any closures, and I’ve never seen the rude behavior that RLM always talk about.
Japanese people are INSANELY respectfully in every aspect of their lives. Theatres are doing fine there I’m sure.
I mean I heard Japan is still all-in on NFTs, so give 'em time
That tallies with all my most-enjoyable theater experiences being Japanese movies (Godzilla -1, Boy and the Heron, Suzume Closes Up). 2023 was just Japan absolutely eating American studios' lunch, "Yeah we're going to make movies for a fifth of the price of what you do and they will be better and more competent in every way."
47.50 I was in the military for over 20 years(1983-2007)and I was mostly stationed overseas. I distinctly remember coming back to the U.S. to visit in 2000 and noticing people were acting really pathetic in public. It was exactly like the movie Idiocracy, which didn't come out for another 5 or 6 years.
I love how Mike doesn't really even seem to remember how to do the Plinkett voice properly lmao.
FYI, major studios often use their monopoly status to strong arm movie theatres in showing exclusively their films. Studios like Disney impose the amount of screens/showings they want for their movies and if theatres aren’t willing or able to match that, the studios simply don’t allow them to show these films which are, in fact, most theatres’ cash cows. It’s no coincidence that indie films don’t get shown much outside of festivals; they’re forced out of the market by the big guys.
Addressing the issues brought up by Mike can’t be done without tackling the anti-competitive practices of big studios and distributors.
As always, great video guys. Peace.
Yet another reason why capitalism is dog shit and leads to monopolies and fascism.
then its still the cinema guys fault for capitulating to bullies. if every cinema house said no, disney would be fucked. but of course the penny pinching misers that seem to run every kinoplex on the planet cant say no to short term profit
Also adding on Mike's How To Save Theaters, flooding theaters with indie films will not do much.
The reason comic book movies and such dominate releases is because theaters know that the average person probably likes those things. Start dedicating 10 screens in a theater to stuff shown at Cannes' or Sundance? Now theaters are banking on a significant number of the general population to suddenly become VERY INTERESTED in seeing mumblecore moopies. The same problem still exists, but instead of The Flash and The Marvels, it's with Snack Shack and Dinner in America.
@@adamlouis3725 Or they can't say no to staying in business.
Would you be the first one to stick your neck out? To risk tanking the place you managed, losing not only your job but the jobs of everyone there?
You can't blame theaters for being held hostage by monopolies/oligopolies that could put them out of business.
Monopolies are one of the biggest reasons regulations are necessary, and perhaps that's the case here.
@@adamlouis3725 Wow, I'm just baffled by your reversal of blame here. So the little guys fighting for their survival are the problem but the big guys punching down and bullying are okay? What a strange world view...
I went to see Dune 2 in an empty theater and it was literally $40 for a ticket, a soda, and popcorn. It’s simply too expensive just to see a movie anymore.
and the only thing stopping me from watching it for free online is my goodwill, it's hard to justify throwing away that much money just in the hope they notice and make a sequel that doesn't flop
I'll take that over annoying a theater fill of morons.
i got the dvd for 16.95 and had a beer and a cigar while watching it......and i can watch it as many times as i want for nothing
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I'll take empty theaters.
Mavrik worked because it felt like an actual movie. It felt like an 80s/90s action movie. No nihilistic, de-constructed, subverting expectations, etc etc, bs.
Another thing that's forgotten is the fact that comedies don't exist anymore because people are too afraid to get "cancelled"; unfortunate, because it is my favorite genre.
I admit I don't watch small indy movies, which may have some gems, but a lot of what is meant to have mass appeal feels like it's written by committee or AI. There's a lack of artistry and talent.
It's a total shame that the theater experience may disappear due to, in my opinion, a complete failure on hollywood's part to actually listen to what people want. Whenever we get something good, it seems to be in spite of them. Ultimately if there was a good product, there would be demand. I would love to have a reason to go watch a movie in a theater with my family, but there's nothing that interests me at all. The last few movies I've seen was Mavrik and the Spiderman movie (admittedly because of the Toby Maguire nostalgia bait)
I went to a showing of Return of the King last night and I can say for certain that it was my last time going to a movie theater. The way people behaved was ridiculous. Loudly talking (I asked them to stop 3 times and was ignored), people sneaking in the loudest food, the same people getting up multiple times, my ticket was way too expensive to deal with that nonsense. And it was both young and older people. Unless the theaters do more to stop bad behavior and be more affordable, I don’t think people are going to go to theaters anymore.
I saw The LOTR, The Fellowship this past Saturday and I had a completely different experience. No one on their phones or loudly talking. Very respectful fan crowd. I don't understand people coming in late when they paid a lot for the tickets.
@stephh.1685 I had good experiences with the first two movies, I must have just been super unlucky with the third. I brought someone who had never seen the movies before and I was embarrassed the whole third movie 😭
The problem is that it's essentially a gamble whether or not you'll get a respectful crowd.
I work at a theater. How are we supposed to know if someone’s being disruptive if you don’t tell us? We’re required to go in once, check the acoustics and walk up all the stairs and check for disruptions.
Mike made a good point that should be unpacked further: There's virtually no waiting time between a movie's initial release in theaters and its release on home video/streaming. I swear, in the 90s there was like a six month minimum waiting period for a movie's home video release. If they went back to that, I think the incentive to watch films in the theater would be much greater, and movies would make more money at the box office.
Disney has to literally rescue the movie industry and proclaim they will never put a movie on PVOD or Disney+. This will allow everyone else to follow.
Is not tht simple. They blew their marketing budget on the theater ads and they need to release it while its fresh in peoples minds because in 6 months whos gonna give a F. They would need a whole new round of advertising
@@BussinandDiscussin Never is asking too much. But there needs to be a good gap. I say a year.
@@handler8838 They used to budget for home video releases. No reason they can't do the same for home video/streaming.
If I want to watch a movie and I learn that I have missed the viewing window AND they actively keep it off me for the sole reason because they can, I will pirate it.
Look up what Lucas and Spielberg had to say about the future of the movies back in 2013. Here is a snip from a NYT article about their comments... "EARLIER this month, at a symposium at the University of Southern California film school, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg predicted the collapse of most megabudget movies, and with it the end of Hollywood as it now exists. This sounds like bad news for popcorn sellers. But Mr. Lucas and Mr. Spielberg had intriguing ideas about what might come next.
Mr. Lucas predicted that blockbusters would eventually become big-ticket events, like ballgames and Broadway plays, and that the rest of the movie business would migrate to online video - a trend that’s already begun to happen."
Wasn't the movie industry already on the verge of imploding before the original Star Wars came out?
We are seeing state actors slowly taking over the big budget productions. The CCP or Russian Federation produce their own big budget propaganda movies, the CCP has had Jackie Chan doing the prop circuit now for 10 years. In USA we have Blackrock controlling companies like Disney and slowly more studios will fall in line. Soon only state actors will be the only ones making big budget movies. The good news is the indie scene is as strong as its ever been and the technology in the indie scene will still last a good 10 years before they will need to update and replace their equipment.
What did mr Spielberg predict?
@@theojenner1902 His take was more along the lines of VR.
@@senselessbabble1996 Yeah, just like how some games are becoming more and more cinematic, movies will probably need to become far more immersive than the passive experience that they have traditionally been. Maybe films might start to adopt more of a visual novel style with branching paths and viewer choice like that Black Mirror one.
Maybe don't do sequels 30 years later....
Are there any hard statistics about how many theater seats have disappeared over the past few years?
We keep hearing about disappointments at the box office and everyone says it’s because films are bad and/or the economy is bad, but I wonder how much of an issue that lack of available seats has played into it.
I feel this way, and I’m sure a lot of other people do: I hate crowded theaters. When a show looks like it’s close to full, I’ll always look for a different showing with less seats booked. Crowded theaters are like the seventh circle of hell for me. I’m that guy who will show up at 10 AM to the first showing on a Saturday, two weeks after the movie gets released.
In my opinion the way to fix movie theaters is to completely reset the economy around theaters starting with film licensing and distribution. I think licensing and distribution is where you will find a lot of hidden bloat around the cost which was set up for an economy and industry that simply doesn’t exist any more. The cost for theaters to license a showing is a yoke around the neck of theaters and it’s strangling consumer value. Theaters are unable to make a profit for showing films that barely anyone shows up to, and resort to trying to make a profit from selling 18 dollar popcorn buckets and 5 dollar drinks. It has completely killed the value for the consumer. If all of these huge blockbusters are losing money at the cost of $15 to $20 dollars a movie ticket, if they can get that price back down to $10, and get more people into the seats, there is a potential to actually make money simply by being more aggressive with ticket pricing.
Mike is adorable for doing all the statistical research and then proceeding to present it on crumpled printer paper.
This comment made me realize that Mike might be autistic.
Little girl: Look, grandpa Mike! We got you a tablet for your birthday! So you don't have to write on paper no more!
Mike: Aww, that's very sweet of you. But I write things on paper just like you do in school. I know the ancient tradition of writing with a pen or pencil will be gone one day. Maybe even by the time you are older. But I'll still carry this honorable and respectable "art form" for as long as I'm able.
Little girl: OK, grandpa Mike. We just thought it would be nice if you could... um, you have something where you could also use the internet to research and take notes at the same time! Instead of writing, "Die Rich Evans" over and over on all the papers in your office...
Also, as an example of people’s interest having changed, showing a 15-year-old vine
Look lmao, electronic devices are distracting. If all you need is a list, no reason to whip your phone out and see all the missed texts and alerts 😂 there’s a purity to the good old paper printout 🤣
I grew up without air conditioning. Going to the mall to watch a blockbuster in the freezing cold with popcorn is burned into my brain. I miss that
I've lived in a lot of apartments with no air conditioning and all it makes you a lot more open to whatever is playing soon and is pretty long.
You miss not having AC?
@@TheJadedJames No, even the ac at my current place is not great. I bought a portable.
1:28 oh wow. I'm from Columbia, I used to go to that theatre all the time. Spotlight Cinemas, tickets cost $2.50. Going to the movies is a big thing for my family, but we're poor so we'd often go there to see the movies that just left the big chains. Seeing you guys bring that up really got me; I'm literally tearing up right now
I can't even be bothered to pirate the movies they make these days. I'm happy avoiding the movie theaters.
Same
Y’all should check out Dune 2, Challengers, Hundreds of Beavers, Furiosa, Love Lies Bleeding, all great movies that came out this year!
Yea......furiosa. so good. Never seen post apocalyptic vehicle action. @plasmasnake4774
@@plasmasnake4774 Hard pass.
@@plasmasnake4774 I will not be bothered watching a movie about Kristin Stewart being a sweaty, borderline emaciated lesbian obsessing over another, more violent lesbian.
Probably going to watch Furiosa when it hits streaming.
You know what's really funny? The theaters/chains shutting down are exclusively playing new films.
My local $4 theater that has been playing whatever movies they have locked up in their storage closet since the 70s is still doing gangbusters. If theaters hired film selectors like their own personal criterion collection to show to the community they operate within, they would probably be doing just fine. Doubly so if they offered a subscription service like a monthly all-you-can-watch where they're only playing older and out of date films and cartoons for younger audiences to rebuild their status as third places.
In fact, many of the theaters that became chains used to offer that service back in the day.
makes complete sense that a theater imitating stream service is doing the best.
they still have to pay a license to screen...sounds like they aren't
I would totally watch Yojimbo at the theater.
Indeed. Movies of the past were great. The new selection is ghastly.
@@stephenthomas1492 that's just survivorship bias.
Best of the Worst alone proves that past movies are mostly garbage
Inside Out 2 being such a runaway success probably complicates the discussion further
I love you guys so much, please never stop being awesome, i look forward to your reviews all the time 😊💕
I've worked at movie theaters for the last 10 years of my life. If I'm on site, we are trying to shut down any and all misbehaver in the auditoriums. The sad truth is most employees don't give a shit about movies, so they don't give a shit about the experience of our customers. Things have taken a huge turn for the worse since Covid and it has become impossible to stop problems without having a guy stationed in all theaters at all times. It's so bad that I don't even go to watch things anymore. I put up with the bullshit as much as I could but nearly every single movie of the 129 I saw last year had someone talking, someone on their phone, people coming in late and causing scenes, people laughing inappropriatly or wheezing or coughing or making rude remarks or eating their snuck in food way too fucking loudly. At this point I stay after a shift and play whatever I want with 0 interference. A shared experience like movies is not sustainable when everybody has lost all respect for each other.
But what’s the solution? How do we get the cat back in the bag? How do we get everyone to work together?
We live in a society
@@Gorbachophthere isn’t
@@Gorbachophfor a while, the $20+ tickets weeded out most of the people who weren’t really interested in seeing the movie. Having the giant comfy seats that reduces audience numbers from 400 down to 40 seems to help too. But when I pointed this out to a family friend, they got weirdly hostile and accused me of being elitist.
I don’t want to be elitist… I just want to be able to enjoy my movie going experience without loud rude people ruining it.
@@Gorbachoph You cant. And we all know why.
Arcades and Newspapers.
People used to go to arcades to play video games. The home market entirely changed the structure and design principles of video games. It wasn’t just the advancement of computing and rendering technology - they evolved as distribution and means consumption changed.
Newspapers underwent huge changes with the advent and popularization of radio. They started to focus on more in-depth analysis and investigative reporting. Then it saw decline when television became mainstream. The most profound decline and change came with the rise of the internet, social media, and news aggregators. Journalism has drastically transformed and with it our relationship with journalism has changed.
Home media -first with television broadcasts, but then more significantly with VHS, DVD, and DVR changed movies and our relationship with them. However, streaming and the decline of theaters will cause movies to dramatically change - just as competition and distribution changes completely altered video games and journalism.
This isn’t a “nobody reads books anymore” observation- just that movies aren’t the first or last entertainment media to transform or decline.
Well said
People would still go to arcades. But the games became terrible and the arcade experience was taken over by posers. Dave and busters still has plenty of games and they stay busy. There are huge arcades that do lots of business. And even Chucky cheese made money off games until the games became crappy and older. You need a niche market to stay niche. Once you corporatized it and they have to make money for stock holders and it's a chain with no feeling and just pushing this or that for profit. Think back to the golden days of theaters and how movie night was an event.
Ah yes, Newspapers. Where I can read about what happened yesterday, today!
Arcades went away when Home consoles got so powerful, gamers didn't need to visit the Arcade anymore.
@@ThorneyGryffon I think that's the point of what he's saying. There are still big arcades out there, but they aren't common and are limited to chains like Dave & Busters.
The same thing is happening to theatres. The multiplexes are shrinking and individual theaters are going out of businesses. The big chains will figure it out and we'll probably just see a few premium format theaters here and there.
I went to a Drive-In last weekend. Those still exist too, but there's less than 10% of what there was.
the flash to the tik tok collage had me lookin around for the nearest bridge to jump off of
😂 glad I wasn’t the only one mad freaking cringe
It’s so nice to listen to them just talk about current stuff. You only really get bits and pieces in half in the bag
The Taylor Swift tour movie was a huge hit because it gave her fans a chance to see her perform live without paying $500 or more. Her shows were selling out even at those ludicrous prices, so that movie made a lot of sense. A lot of parents couldn't afford those tickets, so they jumped at the opportunity to pay $12-$18 for tickets .
That is genius! Imagine if all sold out concerts did this!
@@XenosFFBE imagine if people listened to smaller musicians so that they could actually have careers. It makes no sense to me that Taylor Swift tickets cost a fortune when she's a damn billionaire. She doesn't even need support from her fans at this point :\ She makes vast amounts of money just from Spotify streams etc. Popular music is such an abomination and the antithesis of art.
@@Molotov_Milkshake Unfortunately a lot of the money isn’t even going to her. It’s the ticket selling companies manufacturing scarcity to gauge the prices because the more they get people to pay the bigger the cut they get.
Art is the last thing on their minds.
@@edwardlopresti7266 true enough. I can't understand why people don't see that and go support some great local artists instead. I am extremely passionate about music and supporting the musicians I like, but I'd never pay $500 for a ticket to see them. It's crazy how people are so fanatical about a musician who 1) doesn't even need their support and 2) has such generic slop music. Like I'm a serious music person, but these Taylor Swift fans are more like cultists.
A bunch of tween and teen girls singing, dancing, and having fun in a safe place, oh no, the horror.
After watching The Rise of Skywalker I realized the industry cared so little for the audience that I couldn't give them any of my time and money. I'd imagine there are others who feel the same.
I agree. That movie kind of broke my brain. I just didn't care anymore after that.
All the super hero crap and big franchises killed it for me in the late 2000's. They aren't movies anymore, just giant advertisements for infantile audiences to shill at. Scorsese was right about movies today, they have become theme parks or as RLM put it once, cineplexes for Disney/Marvel trash.
The late 2000's? Iron Man launched the superhero craze and it came out in 2008.
If you think that was bad, I’de raise you Dune 2 😂 garbage ass film
I have ticket stubs from the first showing on opening night for every Star Wars movie I was alive to see in theaters. I've only ever seen Rise of Skywalker once on a cam.
Not usually one to leave comments, and its off-topic so feel free to ignore me if you've already covered this.
I'd love to hear you discuss your time on Smiling Friends. Possibly some sort of a watch-along discussion where you maybe react to the series as a whole and talk about what the behind the scenes were like etc?
I know you don't focus on cartoons on your channel which is why I think its fine to ignore me, but I think many others including myself would love to see this. (Then again, you have covered some cartoons in a round-about way. Could be fun! Keep it up guys, love the content)
I dont wanna sit next to a person thats digging in his big bag of crisps munching away like he is at home. If you ban those people, ill come back.
If all Hollywood movies are going to be 2.5+ hours, I’m 100% going to watch them on streaming so I can pause it and go to the damn bathroom.
That plus a half hour of ads, trailers and Nicole Kidman and you're at 3 hours plus the drive!
I think the biggest issue, at least in my case, it's doing a 2 hours trip (there and back) to watch a 2.5+ hours movie. Like, I don't have any issues watching a long movie, at least 4 of my favourites are almost 3 hours long, but losing almost 8 hours just to watch a 2 hour movie is a lot.
They need to start being back intermissions if they insist on being that long. And they can fuck off for a half hour of ads for films every damn time before the film starts.
When movies are to long like this they loose the "complementary good" aspect. I can't go for a round of drink and then a film if it's 3 hours. And to drive more than 30 minutes is crazy.
I was going to comment something similar. Dune Part 2 is almost three hours long and as good as that movie was I highly appreciated being able to enjoy it in small bites.
I'll be honest, our local theater had a period of time after covid where it only showed old movies from the 80s and 90s (Back to the Future 1, 2 and 3, Nightmare on Elm Street, Jurassic Park, etc) and that's the only thing that had me going to the theater for the past 10 years or so. If they still did it, I'd still be going.
I saw a ton of those. They were only five bucks too and it was always a surprise what was on. I went to see Poltergeist and then found out the unrated Nightmare on Elm Street was on too. What a day at the movies.
Nightmare on Elm Street probably was the most people I saw in a theater in 2020 for any movie besides Tenet.
It's a genius move because it gets both the older crowd who remember seeing the movie in theaters as well as the crowd who grew up with these classics and have childhood memories of them and want that experience. My local theater had Saving Private Ryan on Memorial Day and it was completely packed with 20-30s.
A lot of theatres in my city (Portland, OR) have done and still do this. They are seem to be doing pretty well too.
I just saw The Crow's 30th Anniversary re-release last week. Not a masterpiece, still holds up pretty well, but it looks outright Oscar-worthy compared to the CGI-overloaded and agenda-driven crap studios are serving audiences nowadays.
They so still do that (idk about your local theater of course) That's 95% of Fantom Events' output is nostalgia showings. That said, idk if a theater can really sustain itself on Fantom Events showings.
"If the movie stinks, just don't go!" - Jay Sherman
@JonathanRiggs1980 If the movie stinks...dosey do!
I can’t believe Adam Jensen had a banger tweet about movies dying
I think Jay nailed it with movies being devalued. Not just on a financial basis, but the whole movie-going experience has been devalued. People in cinemas are animals. When I saw Dune: Part 2, there were at least 3 kids playing Minecraft on their iPads with the sound on, someone who's phone was constantly ringing and getting notifications, someone watching Tiktok, a guy who laughed hysterically when nothing funny was happening on screen, and a bunch of other people who were just chatting like they were in a cafe. I paid $25.00 for this experience.
When I was younger it was a (literally) unspoken rule, that when you went into a cinema and the movie started playing, you shut the hell up. I think movie theatres are dying, but I think its a social issue rather than an issue with the studios or the movies themselves.
That's incredible. I've never seen anything like that in like over 20 years of going to the cinema in Europe. Granted that i don't go that often but still. The stories i hear about the people in US theaters are just unbelievable. I don't understand that kind of behavior.
Goddamn, where do you live? Dumpsterville?
The last time I went to a movie theater was 15 years ago, and my experience was the exact same shit...
I´ve been avoiding going to the cinema like the pest, precisely because I like movies :(
It's the racial thing.
>When I saw Dune: Part 2, there were at least 3 kids playing Minecraft on their iPads with the sound on, someone who's phone was constantly ringing and getting notifications, someone watching Tiktok, a guy who laughed hysterically when nothing funny was happening on screen, and a bunch of other people who were just chatting like they were in a cafe.
Technology has destroyed attention spans. In the 90s a movie was enough to hold even a child's attention because they weren't bombarded with data inputs every minute of their waking life. Now even many adults cannot sit and just watch a movie for 2 hours.
Jay's hair is starting to audition for Mister Fantastic
Thanks Mike and Jay for an enlightening discussion. For what it’s worth, I loved Space Cop
Honestly, at least in my country, I stopped going regularly because the cost of living is so high, that I often decide against spending 15-20 bucks for a ticket and popcorn and instead just buy food for a day or two. Shit sucks
What I want from a theater is basically exactly what Alamo Drafthouse does (except without the full menu ordering/serving during the movie). Extremely strict phone policy with active ushers that kick you out immediately. Drafthouse also does lots of showing of classic movies (cult movies, sing-a-longs, costume parties, etc.) so it gives people a chance to see movies in way that feels "special" or rare. I'd even be interested in movie theaters offering a subscription and being members only, and if you're a shit in the audience your membership is revoked immediately. If you curb people's deplorable and distracting behavior, and bring back classics and cult movies, you'd get me back in a theater. otherwise im waiting for it so i can watch it at home.
100% this! Niche cinemas operated by people who care. The scale is much smaller but the experience is much more worth-while! I think this whole industry crisis might bring out some really positive effects for the people who actually care about film as a medium and cinemas as an experience!
So those do exist in the art house form. Mainly the full menu part is to sort of add to the idea of it being an experience or something you go out to. Ultimately, for theaters to survive in this industry it’s showing that they may need to target the premium market in terms of things. The problem is that doesn’t work everywhere and is sometimes out of people’s price range (even without the full menu), so we’ll probably see this story for a while longer as local news outlets need something to report on a slow day.
You just described the rules of being a member of a private club and I am all for it.
EXACTLY. I'm all in
Alamo rules. I see more movies at the Alamo 90 minutes away than at the multiplexes in my town.
Movie theaters, here in Japan, are still quite popular.
The movie-goers are all polite. And the floors are spotlessly clean.
I went to the hotel gra ery theatre everyone was.real quiet even to eat snacks but did laugh at the jokes they enjoyed both anime and american films like dune, the experience was quite ingeresting.
@@Wingcake1 "...the experience was quite ingeresting."
Wait, "ingeresting"? Cool it with the anti-Japanese remarks.
only downside is that it is rude to walk out when the credits starts and you have to sit through the whole thing in complete silence.
Because Japan is a ethnically homogenous society. In America and increasingly Europe they force the blight of un assimilating groups onto us and destroy the safety and well being. Notice in the video clips how many were yelling in Spanish? They come illegally, steal our resources, and only make things worse. Japan very safe, hopefully they learn from west's mistake and not let in outsider invaders.
@@redlightmax i misspelled interesting lol
Full blown conversations, video calls, a sea of bright cell phone screens, selfies, random vape smoke, the smell of weed, noise, and all the rest of it. I have a great theater setup at home. I'll just wait the 2 weeks until it's out of theaters.
Death of the video store and the wait gap between theatre release and streaming have helped kill of the secondary market that helped put over smaller movies.
I started going to the earliest showings and avoiding the weekends. It is usually just elderly and handicapped people in the middle of the day. It's a better crowd. The crap arrives in the evenings.
Martin Scorcese talking over trashy movie theater fights is the definition of cinema
I ran a theater back when “The Lost World” Trailer was released. THX came out and installed 20 new speakers and three strobe light bars. This simulated the thunder and lightning in the trailer. Folks loved it. When the movie came out, they had uninstalled it and people demanded refunds.
Lol, fun anecdote!
That was essentially a prototype of the the type of things 4DX venues do. They have lights that'll flicker when there's lighting and whatnot, alongside the moving chairs. I don't like those screenings but in my area (Puerto Rico), those venues are very popular, probably the most popular cause they feel like a roller-coaster, so for younger audiences with short-attention spans, they work wonderfully.