Ketheric Thorm's Shocking Reaction After Isobel's Death in Baldur's Gate 3! 😲
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2023
- How will end up if you kill isobel and what is the reaction of ketheric thorm. i tried to be team up with the absolute and destroy anyone to oppose it.
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this is such a wildly different path, and one I'd never in a million years see in my own gameplay. lol
i strictly do good characters in rpg games. I have never ever, in my over a decade of experience with Skyrim made an evil character. So i completely understand what you mean when you say that.
My first play through was a good one but my friend just got the game and he wanted to do an evil route so I wouldn’t know what would happen and it is so much damn fun I would really recommend it. Just seeing all the characters you knew in a new light is so interesting
Yea it seems like the bad guy play through is harder than the good guy if you do it do things like keep isobel alive. Preventing isobel from being taken from the inn as the good guy is really tough but worth save scuming through and protecting her.
Variety is the spice of life, good play throughs are boring!
@@TheMan-tn4jk
_"I have never ever, in my over a decade of experience with Skyrim made an evil character."_
Well, of course you didn't because Skyrim doesn't allow you to be evil. You're always shoehorned into being the hero. lol
JK Simmons does such an amazing job as Ketheric, he sounds so calm but there is definitely so much emotional context: grief, emptiness, malice, ugh amazing
The pacing of Act 2 compliments him so well. The entire Act is dedicated to him and Shadowheart’s relationship with Shar. Having Gortash Act 3 and Orin Act 4 would’ve benefitted them so much
I disagree, the random American accent feels so out of place. He also sounds bored and tired.
@@mirmonkey1that’s a you opinion there, boss 🤙🏽
So thats what it was, something felt so out of place, never noticed that he was doing an American accent.
Ketheric feels bored and tired because he is. Dude must be older than the dirt itself, dedicated himself to Selune, lost his wife, dedicated himself to Shar to no avail, then he dedicated himself to Myrkul. In the meantime, he imprisoned Aylin, the love of her daughter to grant himself immortality, and certainly out of spite after his daughter death and betrayal after she found out about Aylin, and the deception of two major gods.
He was a noble man, devout, and loving. He became a monster, only to be deceived and fooled. For me, nothing more frightening that someone who has been a good person and that has been broken and disappointed by everything in his life - and even then, he only thought of this daughter, maybe in his own wicked way. I'd say that after this kind of life, you tend to be unimpressed and tired.
For me, that slaps 100% more than the yapping Bhaal Lapdog that Orin is, or even Gortash. One being just a "divine serial killer" and the other a (well wrote) tyrant. Ketheric was the real deal, and i really think that J.J Simmons brings that really well. And it can be only a choice on his part or Larian part as we can see in Whiplash - he is well capable of brazen words and yelling more slurs than 25 South Park seasons. Plus i don't feel that accent so much.
It's crazy the amount of effort they put in even for such a narrow chain of choices that most people wouldn't take
I wish they did that to Karlach's ending 😔
@@biffin1123 truuuuuue
True, I did an evil route but I wanted Shadow Heart to become dark Justiciar so I betrayed Balthazar in the domain of Shar. Cool to see what happens if you follow him instead.
Ketheric Thorm: "Every God I have served, I have served in my daughter's name."
GameGroom; "Ketheric Thorm's SHOCKING reaction after Isobel's death..."
Yeah what a shock that he'd react negative to his daughter's death all things considered.
If you play the evil path, you might never have gone through the places that would teach you that she's his daughter. So for all you know, it was shocking for them to learn of it there.
@@jjaapp18Evil or good it doesn't really matter, you'll find parts of his journal in the Mausoleum and you'll learn about it anyway, unless you willfully ignore it.
@@astrojeet yes but nobody from the whole party makes a connection that Isobel in the journals in the mausoleum is the same one you see in the last light inn. I tried going to the mausoleum first and then going to the last light inn (before the markus fight), not even an option, never asked. And when the battle with ketheric was over you can still ask " WHOA YOU WERE HIS DAUGHTER ALL ALONG?!"
@@DoppelgangerTHMy Durge got dialogue after clicking on her tomb's plaque where they realised they were one and the same. It's a shame you can't actually discuss it with anyone, though.
And to think that shadow curse thing could've been avoided, if only he got his god damn pictures of spiderman...
What
@@ThatGuy-cIt's a joke because JK Simmons, the actor for J Jonah Jameson in the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy with Tobey Maguire, is the voice of Ketheric Thorm.
I absolutely love how every playthrough i have watched has been completely different than mine. Now im gonna get back on and start again.
This is the first time I've heard a male voice for dream visitor
Yeah, I was surprised by that
What a character. So done and worn by life, gods he served and loves he lost - For me he is quite simply the best villain in all the game.
Orin is the classical shit - maniacal serial killer who wants to please a dark god, completely nuts. A killing machine without brain becoming another killing machine without a brain, but bigger. And with four arms.
Gortash is a really well written character but doesn't get even enough screentime. He is just there chilling his balls out until you come. Overconfident villain. Driven by power.
Ketheric on the other hand - A broken and sullied devout and good man, dragged in the mud, driven by the desire to just see his daughter live. He is mad, but it's understandable why, dude lost his family, lands, was betrayed by two gods and turned away from the way he was, to finally end up being the bait for Gortash plan. Just. For. Isobel.
There is no better villain than the one who was good. No better reason to taint his soul than to save your loved ones.
Now *THAT* is a villain.
I definitely felt Gortash's presence the entire act 3 though, it's just way less personal, which, I think, fits his character. He's the one pulling the strings behind, even his boss battle isn't really battling him as much as his minions and traps, which is ironic, considering Ketheric is a chosen of Myrkul, who is all about necromancy (which means minions), and Gortash is chosen by Bane, who is all about martial prowess, conquest and domination (which Ketheric represents). They just mismatched the gods 😅 that said, I felt Gortash's presence in act 3 by playing through it and just being in the city. Steel watch is basically everywhere, nobody shuts up about him being the archduke, the local gazette now basically belongs to him unless you do something about it, and 2 very frustrating quests (the factory and the iron throne) are directly tied into him. I find it a nice representation of lawful evil as being very systemic and inherently tied to the civilized life. I do agree that Ketheric feels way more personal, but I think it was the intention, not the writing flaw
@@digitaldevil696 Yeah definetely, but he doesn't have the buildup as Ketheric can have or really visceral moments. Part of it being because you can ally him, and also because i know about cut content, so it changes so many things - having a full blown temple of Bhaal as we could have had with Myrkul representations, Shar, and also Selune! But yeah, in a way, it kind of works, like if he was a ghost that is always there, but i would have loved to see the full fledged Chosen of Bane as epic was Ketheric. He's not bad but could just be improved to my tastes. But yeah, it is kind of fittiing for him to be kind of everywhere and just waiting for you to come to him, as he knows everything you can do at any time.
@@kairosprods yes, a big part of it is that he actually kinda wants to work with you. In fact, I believe he would prefer to work with you, and if you're the Dark Urge, he just blatantly states that he liked you before the memory loss. You can scavenge a really dark piece of his background, with his parents selling him to a warlock, which actually was Raphael in disguise, but you have to know where to look in the first place, and from what I know, there are no hints. However, I think the juxtaposition somewhat changes if you're playing as Karlach. For her this is so big, this is the slaver who ruined her life. It's not really Zariel who was a problem, it was Gortash, because if not him, she wouldn't end up in Avernus in the first place! He is to her what Orin is to Dark Urge
Ketheric lost his wife and daughter. His daughter and wife perished for Selune, at Shar's schemes. Mykrul is also an ally of Shar; and likely after Ketheric worshipped Shar for a time, came to worship Mykrul; especially after he was killed and brought back.
Orin was indoctrinated; overlooked. She worshipped her grandfather; who sent her own mother to kill her. Who she killed instead. Ultimately she's a wild-card; and the legacy of a mad man. And despite that honor; she is overshadowed all the same.
Gortash was sold by his own family into the auspices of a devil; made to suffer and languish and be betrayed by those he cherished most. He would later inflict the same cycle of agony onto Karlach through Zariel.
One is a man whose piety is bled dry, for a sliver of joy.
One is a girl who longs for approval, and for her pain to known.
One is a boy who never forgot the pain of being sold away to a monster.
The Dead Three's Chosen are dead inside. They aren't living anymore; not really. Be they truly undead; or mired in their own pasts; all of them are people who took their own suffering out onto the world. As is oft the case.
And the party isn't much different.
Astarion and Cazador.
Gale and Mystra.
Wyll and Mizora.
Lae'zel and Vlaakith.
Shadowheart and Shar.
Karlach and Gortash.
Dark Urge and Bhaal.
You choose to end the cycle of pain; or continue it.
Does Lae'zel wisen? Does Shadowheart remember? Does Astarion refrain? Does Wyll embolden? Does Gale humble? Does Karlach mend?
Do you triumph?
Halsin, Minthara, Jaheira, and Minsc also have their own little fragments of this; but not as pronounced as the main six. And the ultimate goal of the story in pitting protagonists and antagonists against one another isn't about the survival of the realms.
But the story told.
Your group could easily become as wicked as the Dead Three's chosen themselves. Worse, even. Or you can do your utmost to stymie the cycle of pain begetting pain.
mind you, orin is not a killing machine without brain, actually far from that, her not being a mindless killing machine and actually wanting to make her kills being beautifull and artistic etc is the reason why bhaal actually prefers the dark urge over her, Orin thinks too much on how to kill people
The modded face is disturbing
In my playthrough that's like talking to all the dead I left on my Karlach's path, not a single one that appeared on the video was left alive.
Can you cast Animate Dead on Isobel, raise her as a skeleton or zombie, and bring her to Moonrise Towers for a family reunion?
No because her body gets carried away by ghouls no matter what.
Not no matter what, if you kill the nightsong before talking to her, her body stays at last light inn and you can loot it etc. Haven't tried reanimating her corpse though 😅
What if you just take Isobel's body into your inventory?
you cannot, as soon as she dies a cutscene plays of her body getting taken
@@SpiritoftheSands Wonder if you can kill her with Disintegrate then, which should turn her body to ash. I had a few scrolls of Disintegrate by the end of the chapter.
I used balthazars special needs brother to help fight some mobs and i went back and killed him. Fight is a lot easier without the meat mountain with him.
I knocked isoble out during the fight against him and game treated it as if she was dead, i did however get a very interesting cutscene with nightsong going absolutely bhaal mode
I specifically tried to kill her and nuked her but it treated her as Alive and sent to Kethric 😂
I never even knew this entire path existed.
This game is insane massive props to Larian.
it is extremely disappointing that all evil path decisions end with punishment and betrayal. Wish it was more along the lines of Divinity.
Such is life. The lesson is: don't be a dick
You can totally be evil and get a "good" ending(for you) though.
I mean....Its a cult with;
A grieving war father
Elon Musk
And a loser Bhaalspawn leading it
And, for some reason, they all hire the dumbest, insane, zealot people to run it.
Betrayal is just gonna happen, a running theme among the villains as early as the Goblin Camp.
You haven't learned yet that 99% of being evil is betrayal. Happens with the Sith and everywhere.
Honestly the Evil Choices are not worth it. Could've been cut and nothing of value would've been lost even the buggy Minthara.
Feels like the game first made the good choice which is why their choices are the "right" one because its the one with effort put into it with the evil choices being either dumb or just worthless.
Ketheric and Raphael are my favorite antagonists.
I don't think you get acknowledgement from thorm that you killed her daughter unless you go through this true soul route where you help balthazar.
What happens if you clear Last Light but spare isobel with a nonlethal attack?
I mean... the shadow curse should kill her, no?
I think you can help that flaming fist guy on capturing isobel at the beginning. He'll crash with a bunch of devils so you can wipe out the people in first light
So that's what I did, although I didn't spare the night song, so I killed Balthazar and Moonrise ended up being hostile to me. What ended up happening is that Isobel just magically dies at the end of the fight with Ketheric (I purposely avoided attacking her at all) AND the game treated it like me, the Urge, murdered her in cold blood AT LAST LIGHT, with all my companions chewing me out for murdering Isobel, with the dialogue acting like I had JUST slaughtered last light inn rather than finished off Ketheric. Either my run was bugged, or the game just doesn't know how to account for an Urge that knocked Isobel out and let Marcus take her.
@@MartinToms She is literally the one who granted us immunity to shadow curse tho
Unless a character or the game itself specifically tells you to use a non-lethal, it will still count it as a death and your companions will react as if its a death. Non-lethal is pretty useless, I used it for a quest in act 3 and the characters involved and companions all said they died.
Woah, that spider dude can appear at moonrise tower and have lines? The second I saw those guys coming down the road I switched from my main character (Vengeance Paladin) to Astarion (Gloomstalker Ranger/Assassin rogue) and opened fire on them. I thought they were just a random encounter.
Wait so thats why there's that random huge room in the mind flayer colony?
what happens if you pick up her body and keep it in your inventory? what does he do then?
Unfortunate that you can’t get good dialogue from Ketheric without killing isobel
Evil pathway seems so interesting! Shame I wuss out from going dark every time.
Ketheric jump through hoops after hoops to save Isobel*
Durge: skill issue, get gud scrub.
Kill Isobel*
Ketheric and Orin are wonderfully written antagonists. Shame I can’t say the same for the same for Gortash.
Gortash feels like a terrible Handsome Jack.
That's what I thought about Gortash too the first time I completed the game, but there are a lot of hidden pieces to his story. I find Orin to be the one lacking, but it may be because I haven't found more details about her yet
I do appreciate what Gortash does, I really like the small details about him, however I do believe he falls off a little compared to the others. @@Scelewyn
@@Scelewyn A lot more is revealed in a dark urge playthrough if you havent played one yet. I do think the Reason Gortash doesnt seem as good as the other 2 is mostly due to his demeanor and motivations though. He's the most "normal" of the three of them, in both actions and temperament as well.
@@Scelewyn try the dark urge. She is just amazing in that
I killed Isobel, then I killed Nightsong and Balthazar. Ketheric didn’t say anything about her but in final fight she was there, as an opponent and with a parasite in her head.
And that's why I loved kicking down the door, guns blazing, rescued the prisoners first, then got to work on Thorm.
As for Balthazar... I strung him up by his own undead golem he made. (Sticky Fingers)
WAIT, act 2 would be that easy if chose to stay with ketheric? damn It's hard to be good,lol
i will not ever take that path, how could one kill isobel.
I wanted her staff and my barb used to throw her at those dumb harpers
How? Slowly of course. *laughs in durge*
Genital Thorm is pleased
I really wonder.. I really need someone to explain me this, does ketheric appear in baldur gate 1 and 2? cause i mean jaheira and all the book you can found told you stories from a century ago, the century from baldur gate 2 am i wrong? I never had the chance to play those games, but when i try to search ketheric in previous game i found nothing, the devs invented a opponent who did stuff, you never met before in those previous games but your old compagnon did? Someone can help me with that? Thanks in advance!
BG 1 and 2 are set in 1368 and 1369, while BG3 is in 1492 - so Ketheric's initial Sharran uprising was after the first two games.
How do you get that weapon? Ot id it. Mod?
What happens if you pocket isobels body?
So that's how you get this monologue. Interesting. Also by the nine hells what is that character you created? Am I watching a Girl with the Dragon tattoo fantasy boogaloo?
Looks like they were recreating Tim Henson
what if you see her dead after you kill nightsong?
she dies cuz of it, and you go see her father after
He has zero reaction/awareness of it, same exact dialogue as if you did a typical good playthrough, unfortunately. Just did this and was disappointed lmao
Have you tried reaching this point after killing Balthazaar in the Gauntlet of Shar? Maybe they only regard you as hostile by that point, idk.
nope. i let Balthazar fetch nightsong freely for thorm
@@GameGroomPlaywhich will unfortunately (to the best of my knowledge) cause Shadowheart to permanently leave your party.
@@TBS_2001 yes that's, true. Being the "bad guy" in this game often has consequences. It almost pushes us towards taking the "good guy" route.
@@GameGroomPlay i don't really see how killing a Selunite is considered to be a "good guy" route.
@@SiGLoORiGiN No they meant they're playing a bad route but they feel tempted to play a good route because of how the bad route can lock you out of more storylines
How do you do this? Everytime I kill her, she gets flown away to Ketheric anyway.
let marcus get isobel body and deal with balthazer then go to moonrise talk to ketheric thorm
Unrelated but your character is gorgeous
yo what is that weapon you have on your character?
It's a mod called Stormbreaker
How did you get that axe?
Stormbreaker mod
>guardião homem
Iiiihhhhh
Dude, would you please stop to write spoilers in your title?
Yeah total arsehole move. Although arguably not sure if this counts as a spoiler as he was the one that killed her... still counts as one to me.
whats up with your font
You're the first to notice it. I modified it in XML.
it's a source code pro
WTF SO COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoilers in the title? Channel blocked.
Keep the spoilers out of the video title, you dingus.
It's a spoiler that there exists an NPC that you can probably kill? Like any other in the game
Gee that has to be the most bland character I've seen creates so far in BG3
Then you havent seen my paladin.
why so rude
@@IishPotato its the internet
Guy recreates Tim Henson in a video game and he gets called bland. No words.
the writing in this game so bad, z'rell and ketheric doesnt care you have minthara in ur party yet sentenced her to death???
If you have minthara in your party you most likely tricked the guards into thinking her mind was wiped in the dungeons.
By all accounts she is dead. All he knows is that her mind was broken and she is no longer the old Minthara...
My guy, explicitly one of the ways you can "save" her is by wiping her mind. And if that is what the guards thibk you did she can walk around freely.
Tells us you never recruited Minthara.
Tell us you never recruited Minthara without telling us you never recruited Minthara.