Quick question: Wither said Dark urge is now a Faithless. Does this mean he’ll become a brick after he died? I think I read a book in the house of hope yesterday that said if you are belong to no god Myrkul will turn you into a brick or something because no angels or devil will come to get you.
He was, but since Withers is actually the god Jergal he in this speech says he claims you as his own now when the Dark Urge finally dies. He is essentially making you his Chosen. Basically Grandpa is adopting you since his sons abused and abandoned you.
Possibly not anymore, for two reasons: 1. The Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide had errata release, removing references to the Wall of the Faithless, so I'm not sure the Wall exists anymore. 2. Withers is specifically saying that you will wonder the Fugue Plane forever, a very different fate from being ground into the Wall. Personally, I would just headcannon that Kelemvor destroyed the Wall sometime after the Spellplague.
@@birbofhermes9472 I mean it wouldn't be the first time kelemvor wanted to get rid of it, maybe Ao finally stopped telling him no, and it was pretty unpopular as a concept anyway so I could easily see wotc handwaving it away like they did 4e.
To put this into perspective: It is heavily implied that Withers' true identity is Jergal, the original god of death, strife, and killing. Or rather, god of 'the end'. He was the one who elevated the Dead Three to godhood in the first place and later serve as the scribe for any deity who becomes the god of the dead. Above all, Jergal believes that everything has beginning and the end according to the fate. As a lawful neutral god, Jergal can and will undermine his 'boss' if he thinks they are messing with the divine laws of the universe. Now, Durge is a Bhaalspawn. Not only they'd die if Bhaal takes their divine heritage, he'd claim their soul as well no matter how they die so there is a reason why he's totally okay with Bhaalspawns offing each other. However, Durge, depend on your choice, can do the impossible by defy their murderous nature and Bhaal himself. Withers/Jergal, who believes in fatalism above all, witnesses the miracle. So he too does the impossible by not only bring Durge back from the dead with no string attratched, but also casually and effortlessly take Durge's soul from Bhaal to return to the body. So basically, a god went out of his way to bend the rules of the life and death because he thinks you're too awesome to die.
He also gave sweet discounts on respecs and resurrections. I love how they have context to comfortable game conditions. “Oh, a fallen son of Bhaal? I think I can help.”
Jergal doesn't just resurrect Durge, he gives him immortality. "Death will not claim thee whilst I endure" is a very cut-and-dry statement... "I, too, still hold some power, and I invest a portion of it in thee" also seems to imply he outright gave Durge some amount of divinity.
@@Magiwarriorx I think that is because he doesn’t believe in Championship. Plus it would be an insult to you, who defied Bhaal as flesh made from Bhaal, to make you some divine’s champion once again
Tav, when I revived you I also made your entire party lighter by collecting my fee beforehand. Times are tough and who was gonna stop me? You were dead.
I refused Bhaal at every turn. When he kills me, I recalled what happened with Vlaakith, and how I met my first gameover. Waiting for the message. Untill I heard "but your journey isn't over".
i genuinely did expect it to just be a game over and worrying i somehow messed up and am effectively now railroaded into a bad ending MY BOY CAME UP CLUTCH
It’s not even just a victory over evil nature, but gaining full and true freedom, Baal now does not rule over you, just like if a person were to abruptly get rid of schizophrenia or another mental problem, or resurrect.
heroes can be born good and great, but true gods and legends born filthy and low, but overcome their weaknesses and strive for greatness that never fades in history, legend and myth
It's because Paarthurnax keeps fighting his inborn nature that he's such an excellent character. It's also why I will never side with Esbern and Delphine and kill him. My major complaint with Skyrim is the members of the Blades faction, and the Blades in general. They were the Emperor's protectors, his agents in Tamriel. But apparently they were dragonslayers in the past? Where the hell did that come from!? Skyrim single-handedly ruined the Blades for me, and having such bland characters like Esbern and Delphine certainly didn't help things!
Its the most chaotic evil someone can possibly be. Rejecting godlike power to achieve whatever they want and only have to do what they want to to do anyway and accepting death merely because you feel the atrocities you commit aren't truly your own evil if you are part Bhaal. Unhinged beyond measure, so chaotic that they disrupt their own plans. Honestly, that might be make for a decent type of god on its own.
This really hit me because obviously i was questioning who and what precisely Withers was, then he just breaks divine laws and basically admits you were traveling with actual Jergal.
@@VDA19 Like all great D&D campaigns, the DM's intended story was thrown aside in favor of what the party wants. In Early Access, this tone was way stronger and it was clear that Tav and Durge were the same person. The grimdark was off-putting and players responded more to the Mind Flayer thing than the Dead Three thing. Acts 2 and 3 were adjusted to suit this, and it's why Avernus and the Upper City were cut. Ironically, without the Upper City, which contained the rest of Karlach's quest, she's the most "true" character to the original intent, since she's clearly best girl, yet has no way to survive besides literal Hell.
Huh? There was no Dark Urge whatsoever in the Early Access I played. The Dream Guardian at some point implied/encouraged you to take over the world but every companion had a Dream Guardian so it wasn't a Dark Urge thing.@@AmyNumberSeven
I agree. I really think Dark Urge is the canonical origin character. Durge's story is much more connected to the main story than any other's and has the most satisfying thought out endings. I regret not playing Durge first.
Jergal has been one of my favorite gods since I got into D&D. I'm so happy I chose Dark Urge for my first playthrough, this scene was just perfect. Withers 🖤
It's crazy that Jergal used to reign over everything that the Dead Three now claim ruling over. The contrast between Jergal and Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul couldn't be more extreme.
He used to be an evil dickhead that mortals feared and hated, but since he has gone into semi-retirement and is content with just being the god of Fate he has mellowed out considerably. He is perfectly content to serve the new god of death and it seems he has gotten really fed up with how his "sons" are running things into the ground.
Jergal was also completely chill with Myrkul's rule over the dead. While he is LN right now, I think a lot of people forget that he approved of the Dead Three. To be fair to him and the Three, 5e seriously screwed over Bane and Myrkul, given that Bane had a huge loss of power in 5e and Myrkul was forcibly reelevated to a shadow of his former power despite canonically not wanting his godhood back in prior editions.
@@LordMortanius >Jergal was also completely chill with Myrkul's rule over the dead. Every ounce of lore says Jergal was tired of the job. Had a snail slithered up and tried to depose him he'd have handed over his portfolios to the snail. He didn't approve of the Dead Three. They were just the first chance he had to break free of his endless responsibilities, and so he took it.
@@alexjgilpin Jergal actively aided them. An entire crystal sphere full of possible replacements, and he approved of three most monstrous and powerful epic adventurers and tested their worthiness. People just like to overlook that he was once Lawful Evil and was still using undead as servants well into the 14th century DR. Hell, even the Crystal Spire is entirely Kelemvor's work. Myrkul didn't change the decor of Bone Castle when he ascended; he just moved in when Jergal took up the job of Scribe of the Damned. Jergal is a retired tyrant and if Bane and Myrkul hadn't gone after the Tablets of Fate, he'd still be pretty chill with them. In lore, he only had a problem with Cyric.
In Faerun, the portfolios you control are *part* of you. So, the Jergal of now is likely quite different than the Jergal of then. Quite metaphysically.
From everything I've learned about my own play through and the variations with the dark urge I've came to the same conclusion also the fact he is the only "origin" character you can customize
It 100% is, they simply split the OC characters and Durge into seperate ones for the sake of people not having to always deal with Durges specific stuff.
@@drbeard4505 He was Myrkul's seneschal for a thousand years with no complaint. Jergal had no issue with the Dark Three running their domains, the only deity he actively hated and attempted to screw over was Cyric. If Myrkul hadn't tried to steal the Tablets of Fate alongside Bane, Jergal would still be his loyal minister.
I cried like a child when I got this cutscene. Withers was my fav NPC through the entire game and then he swoops in and redeems my sorry ass. I loved it!
When Withers resurrected Durge and seeing one of the possible dialogue options is saying that Durge deserves to die for all the crimes they had done. I genuinely teared up.
I love how this displays the comparative power of gods whose followership is alive and well versus those who have fallen to myth and mystery. It's something very overlooked in the lore of how gods actually work in the canon of DnD.
Credits to the voice actor of Sceleritas Fel, Brian Bowles. That mix of fear and utmost admiration in his voice when you win the fight is astonishing. Impeccable voice acting.
He's the narrator from Larian's last game, Divinity Original Sin 2. He's great in it. I liked him even more than bg3's narrator ( who plays a withers-like character in it, Malady )
Evil Dobby lol. When I first fought Orin I got my ass kicked in the first two rounds, and seeing how genuinely upset our little butler was at my death and how he rallied the others into killing Orin just made me go “damn, he may be evil but he really is loyal”
The story of Baldur's Gate is written in the blood of Bhaal and the crisis caused by his progeny, the Bhaalspawn. This story of thr Dark Urge, and its many conclusions are fitting for this game.
@cyberdoge1857 I'm doing a solo tactician murder hobo durge run, because...if I'm gonna solo, might as well do the full evil murder hobo thing. Definitely gonna try redemption arc durge though!!
The second I laid eyes on this mf I was like: "Jergal. Bone Daddy himself". I've been playing since Early Access, and I have had a LONG time to wait to finally have it confirmed. Thank you, Larian. And Thank you Bone Daddy.
I understand it's pretty clear that Withers is Jergal. But to those that may think him a mere undead, a lich, or a follower of Jergal: He says Tav was fated to wander the fugue plane, due to being godless. There is no way a lich could change this. Only a deity can.
I cried during that scene. After learning we die despite our every effort to not succumb to the Dark Urge, it hit really hard that the only fate that awaited us despite our struggle was death. I thought it was Game Over. But then, "Withers" shows up and it turns out they were watching us - and over us - all the time. Your journey finally feels worthwhile as they bring you back to life, showing admiration for your resilience and strength of will. It's a beautiful thing to strive to be yourself, to do right by others even when everything and everyone around you strives to undermine your faith in being - or becoming - someone better despite the insurmountable odds stacked against you.
most interesting was that there was a book in act 3 that actually described withers looks as the god of the dead. If you read that book with some reflection you notice sooner who it is that traves with thee. fucking awesome
You can notice that much earlier, Withers shows up in the camp shortly after you have explored the crypt barely 50 feet from where the Nautiloid crashed that just so happens to be dedicated to Jergal. Or how in Act 2 when he talks with Anabelle he notes that he always was like this, never having become undead or such, he was always something between life and death.
I can’t remember if there is, but if there’s a dialogue option in that conversation that says “A soul’s worth is measured by their deeds,” then this whole story just comes full circle in the most beautiful way. You defied a god and resisted your Dark Urge at every turn, and as a result, your soul, at least according to Withers/Jergel, is of the highest worth, and deserves to be maintained even after a God’s ultimatum
Imagine sitting at your office, and three dudes just appear out of nowhere. You don't know how they got there, or how they got past security; one of them seems very smug about himself...one looks a bit pale & sick...and the last one has red stains on his shirt and can't seem to stop giggling under his breathe. They say that they want your job, and at first you think that it's ridiculous. But then you stop and think about it...the work has gotten stale; and you've been putting in a LOT of overtime. These blokes might help to lessen the workload. You tell these weirdos that they can't have your job; but maybe you can take them on as interns. You talk it over during a lunchbreak, where you all go bowling (this is canon). During this, the three strangers argue over who gets what kind of job they get to do. Long story short, Bane gets a cushy spot in upper management...Myrkul lands a position in human resources...and Bhaal gets the unenviable position as head of downsizing (though he seems to enjoy it). ...then the idiots decide it might be a great idea to steal company secrets; putting the whole business in jeopardy.
@@garycannon4644 They essentially stole the “Tablet of Fate” from Io…the Creator of all things…and got all the deities kicked out (except for Helm). They had to then walk the earth among the mortals…and things got PRETTY dicey.
Jergal actively aided in their ascension. I know this gets overlooked, but the dagger that put down Borem was guided to Bane's hands by Jergal, and Jergal had no issue with Myrkul's rule. Jergal gets whitewashed fairly often.
Me playing Dark Urge: "Oh I get it, I'm Revan again." Which is funny snice Revan was invented by Bioware who made the BG1-2 and this a sequel too, and we know how much Larain loves old Bioware. So making a the Dark Urge take notes from both the previous BG protagonist and KOTOR is kind of great.
This whole scene was such a rollercoaster of emotions. I was expecting a game over screen like what happens when Vlaakith wishes you to die but no. Larian surprised me with this amazing outcome to the Dark Urge story. Im so glad i chose it as my first playthrough
I made my Guardian to look like my Chaotic Neutral BG1/BG2 character portrait, for the Dark Urge. It felt incredibly fitting for a Dark Urge to subconciously picture someone who went through similar struggles as them with overcoming their dark nature, as a "Guardian" figure. And also the resemblance to my BG1 portrait was uncanny. Almost felt like a cameo of some sorts.
@@cyberdoge1857 lol knowing mystra and shar the gods are greedy in baldurs gate my guess is withers is actually the god of scribe...... hmmmm cause his temple ruin is inside the first time we explore let him awaken
"Death will not claim thee whilst I endure." Now usually. Usually. i would assume im overthinking things and that they only meant that hes bringing the Durge back this one time, but given how. particular. gods can get about their wording, i feel like i am not above asking. Withers did you make the Dark Urge fucking immortal. (i do not truly believe this but it could be a fun way to look at it.
I was doing a evil playthrough as a Dark Urge, refused all the 'evil' choices enforced by my bhaal's will. And after refusing to become a Bhaal's chosen and killed by him, and resurrected by the Withers, I had a good chuckle when I realized I had the option to "Relish." I'm really glad that Larian ensured there's an option for a Dark Urge who rejects Bhaal of because he cherish his own free will above all other, yet remains evil and not just for the "Goody Two Shoes" Dark Urge like the Ward from the previous games, or a Dark Urge who's merely another mindless slave of Bhaal, like everyone else.
I still feel like an idiot for misunderstanding that dialogue option. (I thought owning whatever mistakes you make in your new life is a good thing. And yeah, it is, actually. I just thought "sins" referred to literally anything that could be considered a sin. Idk, tax evasion maybe. So I didn't realize it was a "finally I can murder people without my dad telling me to do it" option and I felt dumb about it when my character went all evil lmao)
Now I'm actually tempted to choose the Dark Urge origin, just to get this cool storyline. It also feels like a 'canonical' backstory for your character that the writers have slipped in.
So in a way you become the champion of Jergal here? The child of none in reference to the fact that Jergal’s no longer a god-not really anyway. He also says that he’ll be your advocate in life and in death, not allowing you to die godless.
I just now realized that when Baal says "I expected the other" means he wasn't watching their duel like Orin said. He didn't give a single shit about either of us.
I like that this is a nod to the first two games of the series, makes me quite happy. And i wish we got the chance to meet other Bhaalspawn from the first games.
@@HamTheBacon nope all the bhaalspawns were killed after gorion's ward became arch duke a d battled another bhaalspawn. Druge was created after that and saverok reverted back recently.
In the murder tribunal you can meet a dragon bhaalspawn although I think you only learn they're a dragon if you play dragonborn and choose the race specific dialogue
How is Bhaal still alive? I thought that after Throne of Bhaal every possibility of his resurrection was over. He needed Amelyussian, but she just wanted to make herself more powerful, not resurrect her former master
*WARNING TAKE WITH GRAIN OF SALT* I’ve been reading around since finishing my dark urge play through since I never knew much about the official gods of dnd since I’ve only ever run homebrew games. Point is from what I’ve read in 5e basically as long as there’s murder in the world Bhaal will continue to exist. Even lawful good adventurers aid in Bhaals continued existence by killing chaotic evil beings.
In this canon world state, Sarevok was resurrected and given a second chance. He squandered it and went back to spreading Bhaalspawn around. Durge and Orin are his grandchildren from what I could gather. So gorion's ward's mercy seems to be what caused bhaal to live on
@@16Vagabond Sarevok was resurrected in Throne of Bhaal, the DLC for Baldur 2, but he was without Bhaal essence, since it was collected in the deep space throne where Amelyssan was gathering souls
Earlier in the game when I first met Withers I made a joke that "Wither's is probably Jergal and is like a huge pivotal part of the story"..... Whelp I literally screamed when i saw this scene
the game is so well done, that they made a character designed to have dark urges, and knew people will try to redeem him! its a small thing but it matters!
I'm glad I'm not the only person who saw the similarities. -Amnesiac PC with a very screwed up body -PC turns out to have done something unfathomably horrible -Nature vs Nurture themes -The best outcome is for the PC to die (or become mortal again) Durge does give me TNO vibes
First play through I didn’t play dark urge so when I got to act 3 and faced Orin I thought (compared to the thorn fight in act 2) was very lack luster and anti climactic and way easy and she was the boss I was most excited for, have yet to make my way to gortash tho so hopefully it gets better
Oh, I didn't know she can turn into the Slayer during boss fight - that's what I get for killing her in one turn! (we really need a higher difficulty!)
I think she can only do that if you resist killing Isobel in act 2. She had many rounds against me, but never turned, but I had slayer form and the dialogue in game made it seem like I was special for it
@Daemic9 For me she STARTED the fight in Slayer form, so you might be right here (I didn't kill Isobel). It does make sense, refusing to kill Isobel (and later, your lover) seems to have made Bhaal very angry and I guess Orin became the new favorite....
There is an option later on which you and your companion (who must be infected with a tadpole, so not Halsin etc.), if convinced, may partake. Doing so will have physical alterations on the body (the black veins), but for some reason is not very noticeable on dragon born.
I'm planning on making a short series about the dark urge. Especially we're going to the aftermath of what happened to... weather is of course mansion that he cannot bring her back from death and he has to deal with the consequence of it. The dark urge who felt sorry about doing what he did came to her body and took the bard's lute. As a way to keep the words of what she wanted to do alive and help people and as a way to punish himself for robbing the world of someone who was kind and innocent. And of course the goblin himself who did offer the cloak the cloak itself doubles as an echo to keep doing evil things. Essentially I'm playing with the idea of Alfira's lute being the good conscience and the Blood Red Cloak as the evil conscience. In the end of my comic and of course after the dark urge dies and is brought back by Withers, he still felt guilty about the wicked Deeds he had done and the biggest inspiration being The Bard who did Inspire him to become better. Withers did say that he cannot bring her back from death, but he can allow her to temporarily return only for the time. The dark urge meets with Alfira and he weeps that he is so sorry that he did what he did to her and that if there wasn't chance that things could be done over again he would do it in a heartbeat only to be interrupted with her giving him a hug
The dark urge completely confused about the fact that she is hugging him could not understand that she would be willing to forgive him for murdering her and violating her body. She would explain that despite what he had done he genuinely felt horrible about what happened and she was genuinely touched that you kept her memory and the song so that she could at least live on and the fact that her death, needless as it was did in fact save someone and more. And she was very glad that she at least was able to do that. Her time in the mortal world was about to be over, however the dark urge asked Alfira if she could play her magnum opus one last time before she goes, giving back her lute. Withers nodded and allowed her to stay a little bit longer so that the burden is finally released. She played her song one last time and her body when the song was about to be over becomes translucent alongside her lute, she returned back to the afterlife and knowing that the dark urge has been forgiven, he can finally forgive himself. He is now able to move on, and at least he managed to still have her in his heart. I know this is a little sappy. but sometimes it's nice to have a little bit of sappiness and hope After something really horrible has happened
Imagine if mid epic speech, as Withers is about to bring us back, Shadowheart just tosses a casual Scroll of Revivify at us and a speechless Withers gives her the stink eye as she shoulders us and gives him a sly thumbs up and a "Ya done mate? Off we go"
@@buddylord3020 'Good' is not supposed to be the easy path. It's hard, it's thankless and often times you will be hated for it by the very people you chose to do it for. But you do it anyway because it is the _right thing to do._ You don't do it for personal gain, but because it is _right._
Yaknow... a nice fanfic idea for this ending would be your character, maybe through a VERY high willpower check or something, actually resisting Bhaal's withdrawal of your powers and claiming the slayer form for your own, actually spitting in the god of murder's face by forcibly claiming your "inheritance" and twisting it into something truly unique to yourself. Could even have the character give some form of defiant statement to top it off, though i'd leave such an idea to the people to decide.
Lorewise... You can't... You see? They don't have those titles of "god of murder" just for fashion, those tittles basically gives them rule over those concepts. To give you more retrospective with an example: if the goddess of nature decided to kill you, she will not just fight you, everything the entire nature will attack you because that's her domain.
@@Voldrim359 I did say a fanfic idea, did I not? I'd think of it as exploring the power that some gods take for granted; the power of the soul. Of course, I understand that such a thing is not an easy idea to pull off, not without someone claiming it's too far-fetched much like what your comment doth imply friend. the ever-present struggle between the physical being versus one that clearly stands much above is a topic that I've always found rather interesting. the idea of resisting a clearly evil god? That topic may have been explored a few times, but one can always make a new twist.
@@ThePokeShapeshifter Late reply but lore wise slayer form can only be achieved via - being a bhaalspawn or actively committing so much murder that bhaal himself grants u his divine essence. There is no such thing as willpower in this sense because slayer form is a blessing from a God
This was the most amazing and rewarding scene for me in my entire first playthrough. I know Larian doesn't recommend going Dark Urge for your first time playing but FUCK THAT, i might just had the best first time playing ever thanks to me not listening to the advice of people who clearly know better lmao.
Agreed, Dark Urge was so fun, I love how your past self was the mastermind of the whole Absolutionist plot, and even the Netherbrain admits you would have succeeded if not for Orin. Gives me Darth Revan vibes, though I never actually played Knights of the Old Republic. Resisting it really wasn't an issue most of the time, the only time it does matter you should have enough inspiration points stored up to succeed the dice roll.
Dark Urge is literally the canon main character of the game, he is the one responsible for all the events happening. He is very similar to Revan in that regard. It almost makes me wonder why is he not just the default choice?
@@thefraser5131 Well he is different from Revan in that, Revan was never really evil he just had an ends justify the means way of thinking (and maybe corrupted slightly by the dark side energy of the Star Forge) when it came to things like Malachor V. He became the villain to prepare the republic or his empire that might conquer it for the return of the True sith. When he gets his memory back in kotor 2, Revan vanishes alone into deep space and one of the endings it's implied the Exile follows him to wherever he is. Other than that though he is literally Revan.
@@CTC77 To me Tav and Urge are really just two sides of the same coin. Urge is just a "What if Tav was a Bhaalspawn" Scenario. Actually when playing as Tav, you can find Urge's dead body (Titled "Fallen Bhaalspawn, and looks identical to the default Dark Urge Character) in Orin's bedroom in the Temple of Bhaal, sacrifed to Bhaal in a similar fashion Urge sacrifices Alfira. So i guess, everything that keeps Urge from dying is the plot armor of being the main chracter because if he isn't, he'll die by Orin's hand.
I love this scene so much but man it would have been better if the party were all sad for a moment since dark urge died. All happened a little too much but I use my imagination. Would be cool to see Laezel or chart romance agonize over your death.
Probably not the first player who figured out that Whithers is THE previous god of death and the one who made a "particular" deal with 3 chosen of Death. He just failed one mission and so had to go. IF i understand it right.
@@omnizenn4559 i saw her once before the fight when she transformed into Lae'Zel and then immediately went to her fight. In her pre fight dialogue I chose to mock her and say I'm the true chosen and then we fought while she was untransformed
Are you referring to the slayer form. I believe she gets it if you resist the urge and don't get the slayer form. Basically Bhaal makes Orin his chosen and gives it to her cause you didn't become his chosen in act 2.
You know i didn't play as the durge at first i chose tav but on my 2nd playthrough i chose durhe because i heard his story is interesting now i can help but play as him in every playthrough his redemption is my favorite arc of the story.
That’s actually really cool that you get to fight the Slayer form and Orin uses it against you if you don’t take it (by killing Isobel which is what I did lol), no wonder the Orin fight was easy for me
whos your party, I see shadow heart, but is the Drow Minthara? asking cause I thought Minthara was pretty much a evil playthrough companion, but it looks like you went redemption on shadow heart and Dark Urge?
You can recruit her in a good playthrough if you ignore the goblin vs druid grove quest in Act 1, she will be in Moonrise Towers in Act 2 and u can recruit her there
Yes I was pretty evil in Act 1, then went for Shadowheart romance and redemption. Also it turns out Minthara isn't pure evil though she is twisted and ambitious
I think Minthara is more Chaotic Neutral. Because the more dialogues you have with her and know more of her and her upbringing, the more evident that she is not evil as a person.
Alternate version with Jaheira & Minsc:
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Jergal really said “thy father disowned thee, thereforth I shalt be thy new daddy”
One hell of an upgrade really.
BONE DADDY
@@morgasborga4143 That escalated quickly tho
Thanks papa jergal 🙏
It's pretty much a grandparent taking their grandchild in because the child's parent disowned them
6:39 thank you withers. Giving me the dad advice I needed
Quick question: Wither said Dark urge is now a Faithless.
Does this mean he’ll become a brick after he died? I think I read a book in the house of hope yesterday that said if you are belong to no god Myrkul will turn you into a brick or something because no angels or devil will come to get you.
He was, but since Withers is actually the god Jergal he in this speech says he claims you as his own now when the Dark Urge finally dies. He is essentially making you his Chosen. Basically Grandpa is adopting you since his sons abused and abandoned you.
@@ethanduncan1646Baal isn’t his son, Jergal would’ve spanked the F out of Baal if it was actually his son for being a dumbass 😂
Possibly not anymore, for two reasons:
1. The Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide had errata release, removing references to the Wall of the Faithless, so I'm not sure the Wall exists anymore.
2. Withers is specifically saying that you will wonder the Fugue Plane forever, a very different fate from being ground into the Wall.
Personally, I would just headcannon that Kelemvor destroyed the Wall sometime after the Spellplague.
@@birbofhermes9472 I mean it wouldn't be the first time kelemvor wanted to get rid of it, maybe Ao finally stopped telling him no, and it was pretty unpopular as a concept anyway so I could easily see wotc handwaving it away like they did 4e.
@@Ithiryn But if the wall no longer exists, what is making the people believe in the gods? Do people worship them just to get cleric spells nowadays?
The voice acting is nice.
To put this into perspective:
It is heavily implied that Withers' true identity is Jergal, the original god of death, strife, and killing. Or rather, god of 'the end'. He was the one who elevated the Dead Three to godhood in the first place and later serve as the scribe for any deity who becomes the god of the dead. Above all, Jergal believes that everything has beginning and the end according to the fate. As a lawful neutral god, Jergal can and will undermine his 'boss' if he thinks they are messing with the divine laws of the universe.
Now, Durge is a Bhaalspawn. Not only they'd die if Bhaal takes their divine heritage, he'd claim their soul as well no matter how they die so there is a reason why he's totally okay with Bhaalspawns offing each other. However, Durge, depend on your choice, can do the impossible by defy their murderous nature and Bhaal himself.
Withers/Jergal, who believes in fatalism above all, witnesses the miracle. So he too does the impossible by not only bring Durge back from the dead with no string attratched, but also casually and effortlessly take Durge's soul from Bhaal to return to the body. So basically, a god went out of his way to bend the rules of the life and death because he thinks you're too awesome to die.
Thank you for this mate, made me feel my Durg is even cooler
Durge : Move arabella, i adopt boneman as my father now
He also gave sweet discounts on respecs and resurrections. I love how they have context to comfortable game conditions.
“Oh, a fallen son of Bhaal? I think I can help.”
Jergal doesn't just resurrect Durge, he gives him immortality. "Death will not claim thee whilst I endure" is a very cut-and-dry statement...
"I, too, still hold some power, and I invest a portion of it in thee" also seems to imply he outright gave Durge some amount of divinity.
@@Magiwarriorx I think that is because he doesn’t believe in Championship. Plus it would be an insult to you, who defied Bhaal as flesh made from Bhaal, to make you some divine’s champion once again
Withers: that'll be 200 gold
Withers: usually that would be 200 gold, but you did good fam so this one is on the house
Tav, when I revived you I also made your entire party lighter by collecting my fee beforehand. Times are tough and who was gonna stop me? You were dead.
Card declines: Withers yeets you into the abyss
Bhaal: You will always be a monster
Dark Urge: I know... but I am _your_ monster no longer
I understood that
That fits so good
I refused Bhaal at every turn. When he kills me, I recalled what happened with Vlaakith, and how I met my first gameover. Waiting for the message. Untill I heard "but your journey isn't over".
i genuinely did expect it to just be a game over and worrying i somehow messed up and am effectively now railroaded into a bad ending
MY BOY CAME UP CLUTCH
“What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” ~ Paarthurnax
It’s not even just a victory over evil nature, but gaining full and true freedom, Baal now does not rule over you, just like if a person were to abruptly get rid of schizophrenia or another mental problem, or resurrect.
Was thinking this exact thought while watching.
heroes can be born good and great, but true gods and legends born filthy and low, but overcome their weaknesses and strive for greatness that never fades in history, legend and myth
this convinced me to pursue dark urge playthru... I miss you, Skyrim
It's because Paarthurnax keeps fighting his inborn nature that he's such an excellent character. It's also why I will never side with Esbern and Delphine and kill him. My major complaint with Skyrim is the members of the Blades faction, and the Blades in general. They were the Emperor's protectors, his agents in Tamriel. But apparently they were dragonslayers in the past? Where the hell did that come from!? Skyrim single-handedly ruined the Blades for me, and having such bland characters like Esbern and Delphine certainly didn't help things!
Relishing the idea of being free of Bhaal just to be a murderer of your own is probably the most unanticipated dialogue I saw in this game.
Its the most chaotic evil someone can possibly be. Rejecting godlike power to achieve whatever they want and only have to do what they want to to do anyway and accepting death merely because you feel the atrocities you commit aren't truly your own evil if you are part Bhaal.
Unhinged beyond measure, so chaotic that they disrupt their own plans. Honestly, that might be make for a decent type of god on its own.
You must not understand humans well if that was unanticipated
@@behemoth9543 Cyric would approve
@@behemoth9543 I wonder how orin would react to that lol
@behemoth9543 if i can't be the God of Murder myself than i ought not to live!
This really hit me because obviously i was questioning who and what precisely Withers was, then he just breaks divine laws and basically admits you were traveling with actual Jergal.
I realy like the fact that is just like
"Dude you say no to a god lets go fam i will make you Come back alive"
God's don't like liches as they pervert the order of things, he is probably a wise Lich
@@kilidaikilidai but with more thees and thys in it
'thy dude thee sayeth no to a god lets goeth fam'
@@rue7064 the bad thing of being dead
Yup.. slapping Bhaal like a dog that he is... kinda hints on the origin of Withers ;)
“Greet the bloodless dawn, child of none.”
Chills, man. Fantastic scene, goosebumps and all when I played through this the first time.
Easily the best character in the game, imo
Cutscenes like this makes me realize that the Dark Urge is probably the intended main character of the story.
He absolutely is. I regret playing Tav, idk why they said to save Urge for 2nd playthrough. You only lose out on Alfira and even that can be avoided
@@VDA19 Like all great D&D campaigns, the DM's intended story was thrown aside in favor of what the party wants. In Early Access, this tone was way stronger and it was clear that Tav and Durge were the same person. The grimdark was off-putting and players responded more to the Mind Flayer thing than the Dead Three thing. Acts 2 and 3 were adjusted to suit this, and it's why Avernus and the Upper City were cut. Ironically, without the Upper City, which contained the rest of Karlach's quest, she's the most "true" character to the original intent, since she's clearly best girl, yet has no way to survive besides literal Hell.
Huh? There was no Dark Urge whatsoever in the Early Access I played. The Dream Guardian at some point implied/encouraged you to take over the world but every companion had a Dream Guardian so it wasn't a Dark Urge thing.@@AmyNumberSeven
I agree. I really think Dark Urge is the canonical origin character. Durge's story is much more connected to the main story than any other's and has the most satisfying thought out endings. I regret not playing Durge first.
Durge is BG3’s Revan, setting off the plot and being knocked down by treachery. It’s brilliant.
"Who are you?" "A Scribe..." I'm travelling with a fucking god...
Withers is the most awesome bureaucrat ever
Jergal, Scribe of the dead, the original God of Death. After giving up his godhood he was just... immortal, eternal.
@@LunaraiaAmara
Jergal has been one of my favorite gods since I got into D&D. I'm so happy I chose Dark Urge for my first playthrough, this scene was just perfect. Withers 🖤
Same. 🖤
Me too. People were saying avoid Dark Urge on first playthrough and i was wondering why. Good for me that i didn't listened.
Withers: "Greet the bloodless dawn, child of none"
Tav: "Actually I've decided you're my father now" :)
This was the most epic scene for Withers. Even more so than the post credits scene he has.
This game has incredible writing and script delivery
Grandpa is so proud of his grandson he literally breaks divine law just to spite his crappy excuse for sons.
Wish it wasn't bugged that you don't get any endings at all.
patrik3482: what do you mean? There’s no endings? I saw some endings I thought…. Is it not gonna be fixed?
@@patrik3482 Not sure what you're talking about. Never heard of any bugs like that
It's crazy that Jergal used to reign over everything that the Dead Three now claim ruling over.
The contrast between Jergal and Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul couldn't be more extreme.
He used to be an evil dickhead that mortals feared and hated, but since he has gone into semi-retirement and is content with just being the god of Fate he has mellowed out considerably. He is perfectly content to serve the new god of death and it seems he has gotten really fed up with how his "sons" are running things into the ground.
Jergal was also completely chill with Myrkul's rule over the dead. While he is LN right now, I think a lot of people forget that he approved of the Dead Three. To be fair to him and the Three, 5e seriously screwed over Bane and Myrkul, given that Bane had a huge loss of power in 5e and Myrkul was forcibly reelevated to a shadow of his former power despite canonically not wanting his godhood back in prior editions.
@@LordMortanius >Jergal was also completely chill with Myrkul's rule over the dead.
Every ounce of lore says Jergal was tired of the job. Had a snail slithered up and tried to depose him he'd have handed over his portfolios to the snail. He didn't approve of the Dead Three. They were just the first chance he had to break free of his endless responsibilities, and so he took it.
@@alexjgilpin Jergal actively aided them. An entire crystal sphere full of possible replacements, and he approved of three most monstrous and powerful epic adventurers and tested their worthiness. People just like to overlook that he was once Lawful Evil and was still using undead as servants well into the 14th century DR.
Hell, even the Crystal Spire is entirely Kelemvor's work. Myrkul didn't change the decor of Bone Castle when he ascended; he just moved in when Jergal took up the job of Scribe of the Damned.
Jergal is a retired tyrant and if Bane and Myrkul hadn't gone after the Tablets of Fate, he'd still be pretty chill with them. In lore, he only had a problem with Cyric.
In Faerun, the portfolios you control are *part* of you. So, the Jergal of now is likely quite different than the Jergal of then. Quite metaphysically.
Bhaal speaking as a reflection in a pool of blood is fuckin' heavy metal and probably one of the coolest communions in fantasy.
With how fleshed out Dark Urge is as an origin character, I wouldn't be surprised if the canon path of Baldur's Gate 3 is "good/heroic dark urge."
honestly? ya probably.
that being the case also makes the games a more cohesive trilogy, centring around Bhaalspawn, cruel destinies and the rejection of them
From everything I've learned about my own play through and the variations with the dark urge I've came to the same conclusion also the fact he is the only "origin" character you can customize
@@MrAlbinoGhost I'd have to watch a recap on the games cuz now I'm curious
It 100% is, they simply split the OC characters and Durge into seperate ones for the sake of people not having to always deal with Durges specific stuff.
Damn, Jergal, you're just an incredibly cool dude!
Ahh don't wanna spoil 😂😂 but glad to see not all the old gods are aresholes
Jergal always loved sticking it to the Dark Three. He knows he'll be the last god standing.
@@drbeard4505 Well, He IS Lord of the End of Everything
@@drbeard4505 He was Myrkul's seneschal for a thousand years with no complaint. Jergal had no issue with the Dark Three running their domains, the only deity he actively hated and attempted to screw over was Cyric. If Myrkul hadn't tried to steal the Tablets of Fate alongside Bane, Jergal would still be his loyal minister.
@@LordMortaniuskelemvor not myrkul. Jergal would never work for myrkul
I cried like a child when I got this cutscene. Withers was my fav NPC through the entire game and then he swoops in and redeems my sorry ass. I loved it!
When Withers resurrected Durge and seeing one of the possible dialogue options is saying that Durge deserves to die for all the crimes they had done. I genuinely teared up.
It's the smile that gets me. It's so warm and genuine and full of love. He really is proud of you.
I love how this displays the comparative power of gods whose followership is alive and well versus those who have fallen to myth and mystery. It's something very overlooked in the lore of how gods actually work in the canon of DnD.
I liked when Shadowheart, Withers and Minthara clapped and said, "omedettou"
Minthara disapprove
EVA reference here
To all the children of Bhaal in the world-congratulations
Credits to the voice actor of Sceleritas Fel, Brian Bowles. That mix of fear and utmost admiration in his voice when you win the fight is astonishing. Impeccable voice acting.
He's the narrator from Larian's last game, Divinity Original Sin 2. He's great in it. I liked him even more than bg3's narrator ( who plays a withers-like character in it, Malady )
Evil Dobby lol. When I first fought Orin I got my ass kicked in the first two rounds, and seeing how genuinely upset our little butler was at my death and how he rallied the others into killing Orin just made me go “damn, he may be evil but he really is loyal”
"No chants, no screams, no prayer."
Meanwhile, BGM: *still chanting*
The story of Baldur's Gate is written in the blood of Bhaal and the crisis caused by his progeny, the Bhaalspawn. This story of thr Dark Urge, and its many conclusions are fitting for this game.
This ending may be why I do a Dark Urge play through.
I was tempted to go full murder hobo but it loses a lot of content, and this scene is totally worth it for not doing so.
@cyberdoge1857 I'm doing a solo tactician murder hobo durge run, because...if I'm gonna solo, might as well do the full evil murder hobo thing. Definitely gonna try redemption arc durge though!!
The second I laid eyes on this mf I was like: "Jergal. Bone Daddy himself". I've been playing since Early Access, and I have had a LONG time to wait to finally have it confirmed. Thank you, Larian. And Thank you Bone Daddy.
I understand it's pretty clear that Withers is Jergal.
But to those that may think him a mere undead, a lich, or a follower of Jergal:
He says Tav was fated to wander the fugue plane, due to being godless. There is no way a lich could change this. Only a deity can.
I cried during that scene. After learning we die despite our every effort to not succumb to the Dark Urge, it hit really hard that the only fate that awaited us despite our struggle was death.
I thought it was Game Over. But then, "Withers" shows up and it turns out they were watching us - and over us - all the time.
Your journey finally feels worthwhile as they bring you back to life, showing admiration for your resilience and strength of will. It's a beautiful thing to strive to be yourself, to do right by others even when everything and everyone around you strives to undermine your faith in being - or becoming - someone better despite the insurmountable odds stacked against you.
Jergal looking at Kelemvor like; This was YOUR idea. So you are going to let this one slide.
Bhaal trying to sound cool while being one of the three Stooges is the funniest shit.
Bane = Moe
Myrkul = Larry
Bhaal = Curly
?😊
most interesting was that there was a book in act 3 that actually described withers looks as the god of the dead. If you read that book with some reflection you notice sooner who it is that traves with thee. fucking awesome
You can notice that much earlier, Withers shows up in the camp shortly after you have explored the crypt barely 50 feet from where the Nautiloid crashed that just so happens to be dedicated to Jergal. Or how in Act 2 when he talks with Anabelle he notes that he always was like this, never having become undead or such, he was always something between life and death.
DAMN IT i should have went for dark urge for my morally good campaign, this is excellent character building
This is what we get for listening to Larian who said you shouldn't play Durge in your first ever playthrough :/
That's okay my character follows Kelemvor. He and Jergal are homies.
Yay for Kelemvor's bros!
I love the way this feels like an echo, or an extension, of Withers meeting the PC, and asking "what is the worth of souls?"
I can’t remember if there is, but if there’s a dialogue option in that conversation that says “A soul’s worth is measured by their deeds,” then this whole story just comes full circle in the most beautiful way. You defied a god and resisted your Dark Urge at every turn, and as a result, your soul, at least according to Withers/Jergel, is of the highest worth, and deserves to be maintained even after a God’s ultimatum
Imagine sitting at your office, and three dudes just appear out of nowhere.
You don't know how they got there, or how they got past security; one of them seems very smug about himself...one looks a bit pale & sick...and the last one has red stains on his shirt and can't seem to stop giggling under his breathe.
They say that they want your job, and at first you think that it's ridiculous.
But then you stop and think about it...the work has gotten stale; and you've been putting in a LOT of overtime. These blokes might help to lessen the workload.
You tell these weirdos that they can't have your job; but maybe you can take them on as interns.
You talk it over during a lunchbreak, where you all go bowling (this is canon).
During this, the three strangers argue over who gets what kind of job they get to do.
Long story short, Bane gets a cushy spot in upper management...Myrkul lands a position in human resources...and Bhaal gets the unenviable position as head of downsizing (though he seems to enjoy it).
...then the idiots decide it might be a great idea to steal company secrets; putting the whole business in jeopardy.
dang i didnt realise they messed up THAT badly
@@garycannon4644 They essentially stole the “Tablet of Fate” from Io…the Creator of all things…and got all the deities kicked out (except for Helm).
They had to then walk the earth among the mortals…and things got PRETTY dicey.
Jergal actively aided in their ascension. I know this gets overlooked, but the dagger that put down Borem was guided to Bane's hands by Jergal, and Jergal had no issue with Myrkul's rule.
Jergal gets whitewashed fairly often.
Me playing Dark Urge: "Oh I get it, I'm Revan again." Which is funny snice Revan was invented by Bioware who made the BG1-2 and this a sequel too, and we know how much Larain loves old Bioware. So making a the Dark Urge take notes from both the previous BG protagonist and KOTOR is kind of great.
Imma take it our dark urge is reborn as Jergal's chosen, and I very much love it!
Jergal really turned around and went: "The dead three? How about the dead FOUR?"
This whole scene was such a rollercoaster of emotions. I was expecting a game over screen like what happens when Vlaakith wishes you to die but no. Larian surprised me with this amazing outcome to the Dark Urge story. Im so glad i chose it as my first playthrough
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
this, but unironically
I made my Guardian to look like my Chaotic Neutral BG1/BG2 character portrait, for the Dark Urge.
It felt incredibly fitting for a Dark Urge to subconciously picture someone who went through similar struggles as them with overcoming their dark nature, as a "Guardian" figure. And also the resemblance to my BG1 portrait was uncanny. Almost felt like a cameo of some sorts.
Im so convinced that wither's is Jergal, actual god of death.
He is.
He was.
He will be.
he is, there's a book in act 3 that more or less spells it out
I mean, the fact that you find him, the only one actually _entombed_ in the crypt dedicated to Jergal, should have made that obvious.
withers surprise me!!! hes more then he seems so powerful yet humble
Truly powerful beings are all humble
@@cyberdoge1857 lol knowing mystra and shar the gods are greedy in baldurs gate my guess is withers is actually the god of scribe...... hmmmm cause his temple ruin is inside the first time we explore let him awaken
@@ZaimGamePlayhe's jergal.
@@ZaimGamePlay It's believed that he is either Jergal (the original God of Death in the setting) or a Chosen of Jergal.
@@yojimarusilverfangThere is a book in act 3 that straight up says he is Jergal.
"Death will not claim thee whilst I endure."
Now usually. Usually. i would assume im overthinking things and that they only meant that hes bringing the Durge back this one time, but given how. particular. gods can get about their wording, i feel like i am not above asking. Withers did you make the Dark Urge fucking immortal.
(i do not truly believe this but it could be a fun way to look at it.
I was doing a evil playthrough as a Dark Urge, refused all the 'evil' choices enforced by my bhaal's will. And after refusing to become a Bhaal's chosen and killed by him, and resurrected by the Withers, I had a good chuckle when I realized I had the option to "Relish."
I'm really glad that Larian ensured there's an option for a Dark Urge who rejects Bhaal of because he cherish his own free will above all other, yet remains evil and not just for the "Goody Two Shoes" Dark Urge like the Ward from the previous games, or a Dark Urge who's merely another mindless slave of Bhaal, like everyone else.
I still feel like an idiot for misunderstanding that dialogue option.
(I thought owning whatever mistakes you make in your new life is a good thing. And yeah, it is, actually. I just thought "sins" referred to literally anything that could be considered a sin. Idk, tax evasion maybe. So I didn't realize it was a "finally I can murder people without my dad telling me to do it" option and I felt dumb about it when my character went all evil lmao)
Now I'm actually tempted to choose the Dark Urge origin, just to get this cool storyline.
It also feels like a 'canonical' backstory for your character that the writers have slipped in.
*The virgin bhaal vs the chad withers*
I know the devs said to not do dark urge for a first playthrough but man I don't agree. All of this is way more interesting than a Tav.
So in a way you become the champion of Jergal here? The child of none in reference to the fact that Jergal’s no longer a god-not really anyway. He also says that he’ll be your advocate in life and in death, not allowing you to die godless.
I just now realized that when Baal says "I expected the other" means he wasn't watching their duel like Orin said. He didn't give a single shit about either of us.
no his dialouge is different if you kills isobel, at least it was different for me
No when he said he expected the other he thought the bhaalspawn who had the slayer form will auto win 😅.
I like that this is a nod to the first two games of the series, makes me quite happy. And i wish we got the chance to meet other Bhaalspawn from the first games.
He is dead. Sorry.
Abdel was killed lol .
Balthazar was dead and the Balthazar u see in this game took his body 😅
@@anosvoldigoat3351 there are more than 2 of them… thats kind of the point of the story.
@@HamTheBacon nope all the bhaalspawns were killed after gorion's ward became arch duke a d battled another bhaalspawn. Druge was created after that and saverok reverted back recently.
In the murder tribunal you can meet a dragon bhaalspawn although I think you only learn they're a dragon if you play dragonborn and choose the race specific dialogue
Honestly best moment in the game, the refusal to submit payed off
Wake the fuck up Samurai, we have a world to save.
How is Bhaal still alive? I thought that after Throne of Bhaal every possibility of his resurrection was over. He needed Amelyussian, but she just wanted to make herself more powerful, not resurrect her former master
*WARNING TAKE WITH GRAIN OF SALT* I’ve been reading around since finishing my dark urge play through since I never knew much about the official gods of dnd since I’ve only ever run homebrew games. Point is from what I’ve read in 5e basically as long as there’s murder in the world Bhaal will continue to exist. Even lawful good adventurers aid in Bhaals continued existence by killing chaotic evil beings.
In this canon world state, Sarevok was resurrected and given a second chance. He squandered it and went back to spreading Bhaalspawn around.
Durge and Orin are his grandchildren from what I could gather.
So gorion's ward's mercy seems to be what caused bhaal to live on
@@16Vagabond Sarevok was resurrected in Throne of Bhaal, the DLC for Baldur 2, but he was without Bhaal essence, since it was collected in the deep space throne where Amelyssan was gathering souls
Basically in canon Gorion’s ward dying causes Bhaal to finally rezz. Read Murder in Baldur’s Gate
@@16VagabondNo, durge is a pure bhaalspawn created directly from bhaal himself. Unlike orin and the others
"Child of none?" Pfft.. You're obviously my new bone daddy, Jergal. 😂
Earlier in the game when I first met Withers I made a joke that "Wither's is probably Jergal and is like a huge pivotal part of the story"..... Whelp I literally screamed when i saw this scene
the game is so well done, that they made a character designed to have dark urges, and knew people will try to redeem him! its a small thing but it matters!
"What can change the nature of a man?"
-Planescape: Torment
It seems BG3 is a worthy successor to the earlier CRPG titles that came before it.
It definitely doesn´t dive as deeply into such themes, but the struggle of nature vs nurture for Durge is a solid one.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who saw the similarities.
-Amnesiac PC with a very screwed up body
-PC turns out to have done something unfathomably horrible
-Nature vs Nurture themes
-The best outcome is for the PC to die (or become mortal again)
Durge does give me TNO vibes
Perhaps we will see the Nameless One join Karlach and Wyll on the plains of Avernus since they share a zip code, now?@@adnaP_esreveR
First play through I didn’t play dark urge so when I got to act 3 and faced Orin I thought (compared to the thorn fight in act 2) was very lack luster and anti climactic and way easy and she was the boss I was most excited for, have yet to make my way to gortash tho so hopefully it gets better
He was the final boss of the act. She is a side boss with important story bits in act 3. There are fights that are more epic for sure
Jergal, former god of death, who gave away his position and now serves the current god of death Kelemvor as his scribe
Oh, I didn't know she can turn into the Slayer during boss fight - that's what I get for killing her in one turn! (we really need a higher difficulty!)
I think she can only do that if you resist killing Isobel in act 2. She had many rounds against me, but never turned, but I had slayer form and the dialogue in game made it seem like I was special for it
@Daemic9 For me she STARTED the fight in Slayer form, so you might be right here (I didn't kill Isobel).
It does make sense, refusing to kill Isobel (and later, your lover) seems to have made Bhaal very angry and I guess Orin became the new favorite....
If bhaal doesn't like you she turns into the slayer before fight even starts
Is that VA for Bhaal who I think it is? Has The Geralt MVP cone back to us?
I believe it is
Still can't believe Bhaal is Geralt of Rivia. Also awesome moment. Durge definitely feels like the canon playthrough.
Withers is Jergal...prove me wrong.
It was right in front our faces. Right from the first time we find his tomb. God I love this game.
This is bad ass
what happened to Shadowheart to have her scarred like that?
She hasn't said anything racist about Gith in 20 minutes.
She full of tadpoles
There is an option later on which you and your companion (who must be infected with a tadpole, so not Halsin etc.), if convinced, may partake. Doing so will have physical alterations on the body (the black veins), but for some reason is not very noticeable on dragon born.
She evolved to half-illithid like most of my party. Astarion is an exception because he really hated it surprisingly, and I didn't push him
if you use the emperor's astral tadpole you become half ilithid, that's what it looks like
I'm planning on making a short series about the dark urge. Especially we're going to the aftermath of what happened to... weather is of course mansion that he cannot bring her back from death and he has to deal with the consequence of it. The dark urge who felt sorry about doing what he did came to her body and took the bard's lute. As a way to keep the words of what she wanted to do alive and help people and as a way to punish himself for robbing the world of someone who was kind and innocent. And of course the goblin himself who did offer the cloak the cloak itself doubles as an echo to keep doing evil things.
Essentially I'm playing with the idea of Alfira's lute being the good conscience and the Blood Red Cloak as the evil conscience.
In the end of my comic and of course after the dark urge dies and is brought back by Withers, he still felt guilty about the wicked Deeds he had done and the biggest inspiration being The Bard who did Inspire him to become better.
Withers did say that he cannot bring her back from death, but he can allow her to temporarily return only for the time.
The dark urge meets with Alfira and he weeps that he is so sorry that he did what he did to her and that if there wasn't chance that things could be done over again he would do it in a heartbeat only to be interrupted with her giving him a hug
The dark urge completely confused about the fact that she is hugging him could not understand that she would be willing to forgive him for murdering her and violating her body.
She would explain that despite what he had done he genuinely felt horrible about what happened and she was genuinely touched that you kept her memory and the song so that she could at least live on and the fact that her death, needless as it was did in fact save someone and more. And she was very glad that she at least was able to do that.
Her time in the mortal world was about to be over, however the dark urge asked Alfira if she could play her magnum opus one last time before she goes, giving back her lute. Withers nodded and allowed her to stay a little bit longer so that the burden is finally released.
She played her song one last time and her body when the song was about to be over becomes translucent alongside her lute, she returned back to the afterlife and knowing that the dark urge has been forgiven, he can finally forgive himself.
He is now able to move on, and at least he managed to still have her in his heart.
I know this is a little sappy. but sometimes it's nice to have a little bit of sappiness and hope After something really horrible has happened
Jokes on him. I accept his power but gain free will by becoming an Illithid.
As suggested by the post-credits and the ‘in my name’ phrase.
Imagine if mid epic speech, as Withers is about to bring us back, Shadowheart just tosses a casual Scroll of Revivify at us and a speechless Withers gives her the stink eye as she shoulders us and gives him a sly thumbs up and a "Ya done mate? Off we go"
Bhaal isn't mad you turned your back on him, just dissappointed.
Jergal is the coolest.
u get an ability if u choose Baal
did u get one if u refuse to be with him?
I got nothing other than from loots
You feel good inside.
Larian hates good guys
@@buddylord3020 bro doesn't know what altruism is
@@buddylord3020 'Good' is not supposed to be the easy path. It's hard, it's thankless and often times you will be hated for it by the very people you chose to do it for. But you do it anyway because it is the _right thing to do._ You don't do it for personal gain, but because it is _right._
Man this honestly makes me regret not doing dark urge for my first playthrough.
Yaknow... a nice fanfic idea for this ending would be your character, maybe through a VERY high willpower check or something, actually resisting Bhaal's withdrawal of your powers and claiming the slayer form for your own, actually spitting in the god of murder's face by forcibly claiming your "inheritance" and twisting it into something truly unique to yourself. Could even have the character give some form of defiant statement to top it off, though i'd leave such an idea to the people to decide.
Lorewise... You can't... You see? They don't have those titles of "god of murder" just for fashion, those tittles basically gives them rule over those concepts.
To give you more retrospective with an example: if the goddess of nature decided to kill you, she will not just fight you, everything the entire nature will attack you because that's her domain.
@@Voldrim359 I did say a fanfic idea, did I not? I'd think of it as exploring the power that some gods take for granted; the power of the soul. Of course, I understand that such a thing is not an easy idea to pull off, not without someone claiming it's too far-fetched much like what your comment doth imply friend. the ever-present struggle between the physical being versus one that clearly stands much above is a topic that I've always found rather interesting. the idea of resisting a clearly evil god? That topic may have been explored a few times, but one can always make a new twist.
I have an even better idea, just become an illithid and lich to be free from bhaal forever.
@@keklord6074 Ah, but where's the fun in the easy way out?
@@ThePokeShapeshifter
Late reply but lore wise slayer form can only be achieved via - being a bhaalspawn or actively committing so much murder that bhaal himself grants u his divine essence. There is no such thing as willpower in this sense because slayer form is a blessing from a God
This was the most amazing and rewarding scene for me in my entire first playthrough. I know Larian doesn't recommend going Dark Urge for your first time playing but FUCK THAT, i might just had the best first time playing ever thanks to me not listening to the advice of people who clearly know better lmao.
Agreed, Dark Urge was so fun, I love how your past self was the mastermind of the whole Absolutionist plot, and even the Netherbrain admits you would have succeeded if not for Orin. Gives me Darth Revan vibes, though I never actually played Knights of the Old Republic. Resisting it really wasn't an issue most of the time, the only time it does matter you should have enough inspiration points stored up to succeed the dice roll.
Dark Urge is literally the canon main character of the game, he is the one responsible for all the events happening. He is very similar to Revan in that regard. It almost makes me wonder why is he not just the default choice?
@@thefraser5131 Well he is different from Revan in that, Revan was never really evil he just had an ends justify the means way of thinking (and maybe corrupted slightly by the dark side energy of the Star Forge) when it came to things like Malachor V. He became the villain to prepare the republic or his empire that might conquer it for the return of the True sith. When he gets his memory back in kotor 2, Revan vanishes alone into deep space and one of the endings it's implied the Exile follows him to wherever he is. Other than that though he is literally Revan.
@@CTC77
To me Tav and Urge are really just two sides of the same coin. Urge is just a "What if Tav was a Bhaalspawn" Scenario.
Actually when playing as Tav, you can find Urge's dead body (Titled "Fallen Bhaalspawn, and looks identical to the default Dark Urge Character) in Orin's bedroom in the Temple of Bhaal, sacrifed to Bhaal in a similar fashion Urge sacrifices Alfira. So i guess, everything that keeps Urge from dying is the plot armor of being the main chracter because if he isn't, he'll die by Orin's hand.
@@thefraser5131 how is our past self the mastermind of the whole plot?
I love this scene so much but man it would have been better if the party were all sad for a moment since dark urge died. All happened a little too much but I use my imagination. Would be cool to see Laezel or chart romance agonize over your death.
I like the way he talks😁
I expect Gorions ward to show up during the quest.
Probably not the first player who figured out that Whithers is THE previous god of death and the one who made a "particular" deal with 3 chosen of Death.
He just failed one mission and so had to go. IF i understand it right.
I think I know what I want to play in the next gameplay in BG3 while I am still NOT EVEN CLOSE FINISHING MY FIRST PLAYTHROUGH!
Fuck me running; Geralt of Rivia voices Bhaal.
Imagine if Whithers still charged you here.
Sold. Going to play Dark Urge now.
ORIN CAN TRANSFORM?? I never even knew that, and I've played a Dark Urge for my first character.
do you just skip dialogue?
Genuinely curious how considering she visits you on multiple occasions in cutscene you literally can't miss since it ties directly into her encounter
@@omnizenn4559 i saw her once before the fight when she transformed into Lae'Zel and then immediately went to her fight. In her pre fight dialogue I chose to mock her and say I'm the true chosen and then we fought while she was untransformed
@@imiaze5546 never
Are you referring to the slayer form. I believe she gets it if you resist the urge and don't get the slayer form. Basically Bhaal makes Orin his chosen and gives it to her cause you didn't become his chosen in act 2.
Withers is such an interesting character.
You know i didn't play as the durge at first i chose tav but on my 2nd playthrough i chose durhe because i heard his story is interesting now i can help but play as him in every playthrough his redemption is my favorite arc of the story.
"the only way to atone for thine actions is to do better"
Withers, the Chad King, really just said "you have to do good to make good"
Oooh. Baal is voiced by Geralt?
That’s actually really cool that you get to fight the Slayer form and Orin uses it against you if you don’t take it (by killing Isobel which is what I did lol), no wonder the Orin fight was easy for me
fucking amazingggggggggggggg
Jergal is the GOAT
whos your party, I see shadow heart, but is the Drow Minthara? asking cause I thought Minthara was pretty much a evil playthrough companion, but it looks like you went redemption on shadow heart and Dark Urge?
You can recruit her in a good playthrough if you ignore the goblin vs druid grove quest in Act 1, she will be in Moonrise Towers in Act 2 and u can recruit her there
Yes I was pretty evil in Act 1, then went for Shadowheart romance and redemption. Also it turns out Minthara isn't pure evil though she is twisted and ambitious
I think Minthara is more Chaotic Neutral. Because the more dialogues you have with her and know more of her and her upbringing, the more evident that she is not evil as a person.
is that doug cockle? geralt voices bhaal? lol
4:54 Bro thinks he's Walter White.
Why did Shadowheart look like that
Do her story quests.
@@DragonicTerror I think they're talking about the veins which are from another reason entirely
@@vorpal_exe that too.
thats what happens if you consume the astral touched tadpole i.e become half illithid , you get the black veins