How To: FRP (Fiberglass Reinforced Plastic)
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Because there a lot of people watching this who don't have construction experience, I'd like to point out that simply because your top and bottom measurements are equal when you check your wall, it does not mean that they are square. They are parallel. They could be horribly out of square. Using a level of some kind to check how plumb the walls are could save a lot of headaches and wasted materials. I do realize that the mouldings are designed to hide a normal degree of walls being out of plumb.
I understand that you realize this, but for the non pros out there, it's worth mentioning.
That's a valid point. It's tough to cover every detail in these videos so it's great to get some valuable feedback and comments for things we might not touch on
even a few years in down the road, very useful and informative, well presented. Thank you!
very useful to watch for everything; editing, explanation, method, tools, selection of project and etc.
Thank you for making this video. We did this in our shower about 10 years ago, but over time it became scratched and damaged (moldy). It is kind of the construction shower, so I guess we are too rough on it! I had forgotten what we did to install it! Though we used liquid nails and just did a zig-zag line down the wall and didn't go to the trouble you did of covering everything. I can't even imagine what a pain that would be to remove! The zig-zag line was bad enough. I had to go through and scrape it off, thus damaging the green board in the shower. But honestly, I'm not terribly concerned, I'm still going to cover it!!! Classy Construction! ;))
I wanted to tile, but I had surgery recently, and don't feel up to it and the men in my family aren't that interest4ed in tiling, so I guess it's back to this shortcut for another 10 years!!! I'm sure that when I'm older I'll feel up to tiling! ;)
My question is this....
How can I install a soap/shampoo inset with this? I suppose it would work the same way as working with corners. But maybe someone has a video that I haven't seen. I'm thinking I'll line it with cement backer board and built over that. OR maybe I'll just hire out... and that might motivate my (actor not contractor!) husband! haha!! ;))
Anyhow, thank you again for sharing this video. I really appreciate it.
Good video. Thanks for being generous with tips. I like that your video wasn’t for the purpose of stroking your ego. You are obviously well qualified to share information.👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you for your kind words. Glad we could help with the tips👍
I'm a 62 year old grandma who is making my first shower surround from this product. I cannot thank you enough. I think I can, I think I can.
If you're making a shower surround do not follow this tutorial. The corners must be caulked, and sliding them down the edges like that will strip the caulking off and pile it all at the top edge.
Well, he said if you're doing floor to ceiling you would put the trim on first, but in a shower surround I would do that plus caulk it first. Warning, it gets messy trying to join panels with trim on all four edges glue and caulking already on them. you can work in a pattern to only have a couple edges for most pieces, but eventually the last piece will have to be warped and slid into place, so make sure you leave room for expansion then center it after it's in to cover all the edges.
@@zandemen caulking was easy but time consuming . I am pleased. It really doesn't leak. Thanks.
@@zandemen Lots of excitement. One panel kept falling on my head (Full wall to ceiling), one wall didn't glue right and one corner angle was a bitch to grind/sand right bc of uneven walls. Still, for an old lady, I managed and it doesn't leak. You'd be disappointed in yourself if this was your finished job but i am tickled.
@@kelleymaki4145 glad to hear it. I just about gave up! Doing large ceiling panels with joints and etc. Now I know for future installs (never) do the ceiling first, then add channel to the walls under it. Damn it, why didn't I think of that yesterday?
Thank you this is a perfect how to I appreciate you making it
Glad we could help👍
I should have watched this before I installed FRP today 😂 I struggled with those corners applying them on the panel before setting it on the wall, I did use a laser to Mark my heights and snapped a line. The concrete was 3/4 inches off. Great video! Thank you.
Yea those corners can be tricky! Glad you like our video
Great Video, Kevin.... Thanks!
Thank you!
Great video I usually use a floor/wall roller to press the sheets to the wall
We do when we use acrovan (sp) it’s a lot thinner and so it needs that roller. I haven’t found a need for one on these thicker sheets, but no harm in it.
impressive work. thanks
Thanks for the video. Is that type of glue safe to use on expanded polystyrene?
Don’t forget to roll the sheet onto wall or use a tile sponge , ring out water and wipe sheet. Or it will bubble.
can I use same sheet as a dry wall for my basement wall? on the wood studd?
Thanks for posting.
thanks for the video, it's my first time doing this kind of work. good luck to me! haha
Can I nail it down the FRP onto studd and also use glu for extra support?
Amazing video thank you
I'm only doing one panel in my tub/shower. Instead of buying a giant tub of adhesive is there something I can use in a caul gun that would work?
I was going to use FRP for a foamy trailer that I'm building do I need to use any screws or push pins or will the tite bond fast grab setup hard enough that it won't peel off
*great job great tips I learned alot*
Thank you! Glad we could help
Nice video bro! Thank you!
Glad we could help!
hey Mitchel I have to put FRP in the curling some tips ?
Amazing Bro👍👍👍👍👍👍
Great video
Thanks dude I haven't done FRP in 20 years and now they want it in their bathroom and guess what I don't remember how to do it I don't know the new tips and tricks good video thanks again
Glad we could help! Good luck👍
Thank you for this very clear video. FRP is Fiber Reinforced Plastic or Fiber Reinforced Polymer - I think. Totally appreciate your video.
You’re correct. I misspoke. I appreciate the feedback
Good job.
This was very helpful thanks. Do you have any videos where the installation goes floor to ceiling? Thanks
Thank you, glad we could help. We don’t have one at this time but we can make one when that comes up.
Great video brother
Thank you!
There are plenty of helpful tips!! Thx!!!
By the way, How thick is the panel you worked with in this video??
I believe it was .09 so somewhere between an 1/8" and 3/16"
I will try to apply it in a non solid surface, I'm thinking to install foamular on the ceiling and then cover it with FRP, hope it works, just for decorative purposes
Pro tip. Dry fit before applying adhesive.
TXMXIcanDUde yea you absolutely could, but after doing it for so many years you just trust your numbers.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 very true. But not all your viewers are pros
Hello, first time I'll be doing this but your tips will be very helpful. Thank you. God bless
Yes, some are beginners and don't trust the numbers :) How I measure wrong I do not know. Gotten better with practice.....I would have liked to know where the caulk would have been applied. I was anticipating that as well. But greatly informative. Thanks.
@@nicolelee5693 Measure twice cut once. As far as caulk, just google Kemlite (or any brand) FRP installation instructions.
What type of water soluble glue are you using. Brand ?
Excellent instructional video. Can you use a jigsaw with a plastic saw blade for making a smooth cut? Thanks for sharing.
To be honest, we’ve never tried. Let me know if it works.
Thanks!
any thought on installing with rough side facing the wall so walls are smooth..
You can get smooth faced FRP. Look for that
Correction:
FRP stands for
Fiberglass Reinforced Polymer
not
Fiber “Resistant” Panel as you stated in the beginning😊
Even great video. I'm working on my cafe prep area and about to install frp on the walls. My floors slope at up to 3/4" . What would you do to make the panels level. Do I have to cut each panel to compensate?
Marc Bacayon That’s a great question. So typically what we do is set up at laser and then run a 2x4 at the bottom to set it on or run a few screws on that line to hold the sheet up. What I would do is mark it about 4” off the high spot in the floor and then run your line, set the sheets and then cover that bottom portion with base or base tile that’s 6” or so. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 thanks for the quick reply. I wish it was that easy. I already installed the quarry base cove in order to epoxy grout the entire floor.
Marc Bacayon ahh I gotcha. Yea then you’re in a tight spot. I had to do that about 10-12 years ago on my first frp job. I was miserable. I was trying to sit on top of the base and below ceiling grid. It mad me hate frp for years until I started for another company that did it right and showed me how to do it, that’s why I created this video.
Great video with a lot of good guidance. I did cringe a little that he didn't test fit the first piece before putting the adhesive on.
Nice so how is it holding up?
On another video, they recommended attaching the top and bottom trim caps with a brad nailer, then put silicone caulk inside the caps before inserting the panel. The panel is flexible enough for this to work. One question, why did you not put a trim cap on the bottom edge?
Thanks for the video.
Normally they put 4’ rubber base . It’s also washable.
Thanks for the video. How muchgap are you leaving for the inside corners?
About an 1/8th
FRP is Fibreglass reinforced wall panels, not Fiber resistant panel
Think he meant water resistant
Hi can u paint the paneling? I have it in my bathroom n don't like the white color want to change color but not sure what paint is recommended to use. Really appreciate ur help with this matter. Thanks
My guess is you could paint it, but will it stick over time is the question. My best guess is that sherwin Williams would have a product for it.
can you tell me what kind of saw are you using for cut the frp please how can i get in amazon thanks you do nice job buddly
We typically use shears to cut the sheets.
Now what do you put between the sheet if installation 4ft over 4ft or between your sheet if installation is side by. Do you put something in between each sheet or just dead head them together
They make a spline that goes in between. We just weren’t standing the sheets up to use one of them.
Hello,
Do I follow the same procedure for installing these panels around the walk in cooler? Please advise
You could. But doesn’t the cooler have a protective exterior?
We are applying FRP to a drywall that was textured but not painted. Any concerns with applying the adhesive over the texture versus smooth factory drywall?
You might not get a flat application. I’d try and sand the wall flat first.
I'm going to use FRP to replace the cracked walls in the shower of my horse trailer. Should I caulk after the trim?
It wouldn’t hurt
Thank You Mitchell !
Questions:
Why did you run the sheets horizontally as opposed to vertically ?
Why use that trowel-on adhesive ? They make a spray-on (Spray-Lock FRP Adhesive) adhesive that you spray on the wall - No messy, floppy sheets to fumble around with...
We didn’t want to run them full height like in a commercial kitchen. As far as the spray, I’m not familiar with it. It’s something I’ll look into. How is the overspray on that?
@@mitchellacoustical3119 Will let you know about overspray - install is next week ....
Thank You,
Jim
How was the spray ?
Why don’t u just apply the glue on the wall first? Wouldn’t that make it even less messy? And you’re not carrying a panel that’s covered in glue?
How does the application work on the ceiling? Plan to put in the bath ceiling.
I’m not sure. My guess is if you can get the glue to set up nicely you shouldn’t have a problem.
Do you have to glue the whole sheet? I am wanting to use this in my garage around a dog wash sink over dry wall. I am assuming that the new dry wall will need to be taped, mudded, sanded and sealed. My reasoning is someone else may not want this and to remove would destroy the dry wall.
Yes you will have to glue the whole sheet. For the drywall, 2-3 coats of mud are fine. The glue if you pull it off will pull off the paper face of the drywall.
This was a very informative video and I will be applying FRP panelboard to the walls in a bathroom for a customer soon. I have never actually used this product before, but I was wondering what the "working time" is for the glue before it begins to set-up?
You have quite a bit of time. I’d bet every bit of 30 mins with an 1/8” trowel. It’s pretty workable
@@mitchellacoustical3119 Yes, actually, I just noticed on the adhesive my customer purchased, the "work time" fur the product is 20 minutes, so that should be more than enough time to install each panel to the walks. The adhesive is Tite Bond Fast Grab FRP adhesive.
Could you apply the glue directly to the drywall? I have very limited space to lay out the panels.
You absolutely could. This is just our preferred way to do it.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 I've been alternating between the panel and plywood, it seems to use more glue on the plywood and dry faster as it soaks up the solvent in the glue but I haven't actually measured glue consumption or drying times, could just be BS.
Can you use the same glue on osb plywood ? Good video
I'm not sure. Most of the time we're using it on greenboard, durock, or fire treated ply. OSB is never spec'd for us on commercial projects, my guess would be because its water soluble so that over time would pull the strands off.
I'd like to install half panels around the bottom of my drywall garage walls. The floor is concrete. How do you suggest I should trim between FRP and concrete?
Jan Kryst most of the time in commercial applications we use vinyl base and just glue that too.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 Thank you Mitchell.
What kind of shears did you use? Was that an attachment or a separate tool? Great video-thanks!
They are usually dewalt or Milwaukee. They are a separate tool. Glad we could help!
Good work on the video. The only thing I suggest for the extra mile would be your description and what else you could put in it. Timestamps, Materials Used, Tools Used, and also you should think about Affiliate Marketing. Extra Money in your pocket for the extra time you spent making the links. All in all. Thanks for your help, needed a refresh.
I appreciate it. I’m not sure how the affiliate would work with construction materials. I get what you’re saying with materials used and time stamps. I’ll remember that for next time on the longer videos👍
I score back of FRP board with utility knife and break it like dry wall board. That way there is no dust. Edge is rough but you will use trim moulding anyway and cover the edges
Hmm, I’ve never tried that. Using a straight edge to score it as well?
If installing the corner piece first, do you glue that down? Or maybe you install in on the panel, add glue to wall or panel, and then install both on the wall at the same time?
We typically leave a 1/4” gap on the back of the panel. The corner piece has about a 3-4” flange on the back that slips in. So without really knowing, our glue should catch about 1/2” of the flange.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 Thanks! Yeah. I had to put the adhesive on the wall because this was above a shower surround. So, I put the top moulding on each panel and then could add the corners. Worked well.
Can a new FRP panel be installed, with adhesive, over an existing FRP panel? Remodeling a restaurant and existing panels have minor damage and faded/yellowed inconsistently
This is a good question. To be honest, I don’t have any idea. If I had to guess I would say no. I wouldn’t think the glue would adhere.
no Existing FRP needs to be removed.
Thanks for the video--appreciate your tips. Will you please elaborate a bit on the explanation on why your nipping out the corners? 17:00. Also, if putting in a 4" rubber base, can the corner pieces be trimmed to accommodate that after they're slid into position? If so, what's the best way to do that? Or should that subtraction in length be done first, leaving the strips 4" off the floor? Thanks!
Well when we’re talking about nipping out the back, it’s cutting the backside corner tab. If you don’t both backside corner tabs will interfere with each other and push your panel out. Yes you can trim those corners to be cut to your base, that shouldn’t be a problem. I would slide them in, mark them and then take em out and cut them if that’s the route you want to go. Hopefully that answered your questions. I appreciate the comment.
Good detailif you are a DIY
So if I’m putting in 5’ sheets I need to use splines?
Yea if you stand the sheet up.
what product cleans the glue off the trowels easily
So depending on the glue, most of our we use taping knives to scape them and then the glue is water soluble. So warm water should work
Great video. Wish we could have seen a closeup of the corners. I am finding it hard to find an image of a nice tight corner. Something to replicate
I believe there’s a 1/4” of coverage on the corners so you have a little wiggle room
Thanks for the video, can you use this in a shower surround?
I would say no. It’s more of a commercial application like the shop bathroom we used it in the video or a commercial kitchen. This product is around an 1/8” think and the shower surrounds that we’ve installed have been more rigid and around 5/16 thick. Hope this helps👍
I've never done it but I have seen it done. It looked great. I don't see why not, as long as all joints are carefully caulked.
Can i use a rolling pin to roll walls if not then what
You can use a rolling pin. You can also use a sponge trowel and just press it across to sheet.
Hi. New at this but need to cut some FRP sheets and so far, it’s been a mess. What type of shears did you use to cut the FRP sheet? Any recommendations on how to cut smaller (< 6” x12” pieces)? Thanks for this very informative video!
We used dewalt or Milwaukee. They cut super clean
It's a much cleaner job if you dry fit first and then apply glue to the wall and apply the frp after, also use a hand roller to make better adhesion rather than using your hands.
When applying FRP glue I prefer to apply it to the wall. Carrying over a full sheet by myself I self it may bump into a wall and get glue on a finished wall. Not to mention glue on myself while carrying it over. Also if you do not have a roller A block of wood wrapped in a towel will work just as well
will this work well on a fissured wall panel?
Hard to say.
Any tips on how to remove this stuff?
lay 2x4 on floor for leveling and install of frp. this way you have a flat straight start on bottom.
base covers gap
And keeping tape level might result in a truer measurement
Yea absolutely when you're running a tile base on the wall in commercial kitchen. This is just a shop bathroom that happens to be outta wack, so I wanted to make mention but not get over the top for this simple install.
I check my floor first , if it’s a newer building or wall shouldn’t be an issue, then I use a laser set my upper mark if laying it on the side , then take my measurements fr0m the top , it’s way more accurate. Great video just another way to make sure everything is plumb and level.
FRP shutters working
Can i use regular shears instead of electric
Like snips? I guess you could, may cramp your hand and you won’t get as straight of cuts.
could you use this in an rv remodel
I’m sure you could
Great video but definitely should test fit the piece in place before applying glue
Eh this was an old building, it was close. I wasn’t too worried about what we showed. We wouldn’t test fit in a commercial application on a new build either. Sometimes once you get them in they’re tough to get out.
14:40 Installing the trim starts
Why glue the panel instead of the wall. I’m a little concerned with the mess and glue on my way to the work surface.
We’ve never had any issue.
How many rivets should I use per 4x8 sheet of Frp?
Zero, just glue it
@@mitchellacoustical3119 owner wants rivets
Would this make a room soundproof?
No they aren’t rated like that.
Can you use this on exterior also and maybe liquid nail to hold it ? Any videos on using the molding push pins ? Thanks that was a very nice video .....well done !
Gene Fuller Thank you for the comment! We used liquid nails in Wendy’s remodels of their kitchens. They didn’t want regular frp glue that was water soluble so we used gallon pales of liquid nails to spread. As far as exterior, I really don’t know. It doesn’t seem like an exterior project although the finish would hold up, it’d be the glue that’d be suspect. When it comes to the plastic push caps we can make and video on those, so thank you for the idea👍
@@mitchellacoustical3119 Thank you Mitch for your quick response ! I will be waiting for the Push pin video . I think those the glue and the round corners will hold it on okay ! I'm not sure where to use the pus pins !
Can you apply this over drywall that has holes? Do you suggest filling the holes, sanding then painting the wall first. I just removed a few things from the Wall before I am applying the FRP panels.
You could, but I’d patch them and tape if it were up to me. 👍
no
Can this be used to insulate an attic?
Not that I’m aware of. Doesn’t have any R value. Which is what you’re looking for.
If u laying it down why not pop u a level line all around?
We’d most likely use a laser.
what brand of your watch do you wear ?
I broke it a year or so ago. All I remember is it was about $70-80 on Amazon.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 ah, ok , nice video.
can u but it in ceiling ?
I’m sure you can, but you’d have to brace it off till the glue dries.
How to call that glue? And that panel is can water resistant? Can I use for shower place?
FRP stands for Fiberglass Reinforced Plastic
Why not put glue on wall instead of frp?
This is just how we do it. You can glue the wall, I just find working at waist height to work best that to be bending up and down to glue the wall.
You can cut with the skillsaw just put a pice of wood underneath the sheet and cut on top the wood and easy money
You can make better cuts with shears. Make a video for your channel with a skilsaw👍
Thats the way a hack would do it. It fractures, cracks and is risky. Best is with a Router.
@@ericwilson8323 very clean skillsaw cut you just has to have a piece of wood underneath the line cut very effective
I thought FRP stood for Fiber Reinforced Plastic....
You are correct. Just misspoke.
FRP = fiberglass reinforced panel
When you use your skilsaw, you MUST reverse your blade. Makes for a cleaner cut AND virtually no chance to damage your FRP.
Why when you can use shears? Still kickback on a saw and the debris is nasty
Just use a steel blade on a grinder to cut it
That seems like it would burn the plastic rather than cut it. Shears have a clean cut.
@@mitchellacoustical3119 nope. I'm literally about to cut some at the moment
It works good...you'll never use shears and a circular saw again
I was going to ask about using an angle grinder with a cut off wheel as that is what we use on vinyl siding and it doesn't burn that. going to be putting FRP up in a few months in a butcher room. good video though it verified what I thought I knew but wasn't sure. I like the horizontal application of glue rather then the vertical on walls. It keeps you from accidentally dropping a glob of glue on a floor that you may not be able to clean it off of.
FRP doesn't stand for "fiber resistance panel". It's fiberglass reinforced panel or product.
yep. misspoke
Fiber "reinforced" panel
Parallel is not same as square. Just sayin
Parallel had nothing to do with taking his measurements, he used the term ‘square’ correctly relative to the walls and this application , so what are you even saying? lol.
You solve much of your glue transfer problems if you put the glue on the wall, and not the frp.
This was an example in a tight space. Typically we do these in large kitchens and up and down on the ladder is not time efficient to glue the wall, then get the air bubbles out on the sheet when laid against glue. You’re more than welcome to make your video though.