FIRE SAFETY: We've had some great questions about fire ratings and sound rating specifics. Here's some more info on that. The gist of it is that this performs the same as 1/2" drywall. You can use it anywhere you use 1/2" drywall but, just like 1/2" drywall, it does not have a 1 hour fire rating. In the few specific locations that require that, it's suggested that you stick with 5/8"" drywall. • Fire Performance: Just like drywall, Trusscore panels have a Class A fire rating (a flame spread index of 10 and smoke developed index of 380 per ASTM E84). This rating measures how effectively the panels limit flame spread and smoke development in the event of a fire. For areas requiring walls that restrict fire spread between rooms, Trusscore must be installed over an approved fire-rated wall assembly or other approved material. • VOCs or Off Gassing: Trusscore panels are comparable to low VOC paints, they are low VOC compliant and meet the strictest standards the US has, the California Department of Public Health 01350 standard for low-emitting materials. • The Noise Reduction Coefficient (NRC) performance of Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard is estimated to be 0.15 (i.e., 15% of sound is absorbed). 1/2" Drywall's performance is also 0.15. • The STC or Sound Transmission Class of Trusscore is 30 to 35. 1/2” Drywall's STC is 33. STC is a measurement of how much sound the material lets through.
@@justpassinbyywas wondering that too. I know with Ethernet cabling for example, "plenum" rated Cat 6 UTP is made with either less PVC or is 100% PVC-free so that if the cable catches on fire, the fumes don't get into the plenum space and HVAC. Apparently PVC is pretty toxic when it burns.
I'm wondering if you could add fire rated paint to this in order to increase it's applications? I had that done to my converted finished attic right on spray foam and it's a much better idea than the decades old quiet board.
I work at a PVC pipe manufacturing company, when PVC burns, it will release a number of harmful toxic fumes, like Hydrogen Chloride Gas, which will burn your eyes and lungs and can be fatal with high exposure. So if you have this product in your entire house to replace drywall and a fire starts, the smoke and fumes alone can kill you within less than a minute. Here in Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 where I'm from most homes are made with brick and mortar, not drywall for internal walls, however, this product has become very popular in doing the ceiling, so we call it PVC ceiling, some are white or you can get textured patterns or even marble type design patterns etc. It's not illegal in Trinidad, but more importantly some insurance companies won't accept it because of it's potential hazards as stated above.
I agree 100%, putting pvc inside the house is a major concern. It outgases chlorine gas when it burns which is toxic. As a design engineer we are not allowed to put things like this in plenum spaces by code. I wouldn’t put this in my house.
Thank you for your valuable input. I’m just a normal person with normal knowledge in general, but I even know, plastics, PVC, or otherwise, are not a good thing to have all over the house, let along the cheap looks of it. This product just don’t provide the minimum standards of improvement over drywall.
Just like plenum rated PVC cable jackets you can easily add additives that prevent PVC from smoking or catching fire in home and commercial fires. It is simple chemistry and used in many PVC products at a nominal cost. Just because your pipe company doesn't make their product fire retardant doesn't mean other manufactures like this PVC wall panel product are making a safer product.
Is it true that when PVC degrades it puts off gasses that will cause metal to rust almost instantly? I'm an injection molding process tech and that is what is said about it. Ever have a contactor stick closed on a heater band? I've had that happen when molding acetal. That puts off gasses that are the same as tear gas. That evacuates a shop very quickly. Someone has to go over to the machine to shut the power off. Tough thing to do going over to the source of the gasses to hit the main disconnect.
For a garage, I can see using this. However, unless you're a fan of making your home look like a mobile home trailer, I just can't see using this in the interior of a home.
I’m a firefighter. There is no way that pvc is stopping fire spread in a hot fire. The great thing about drywall is when the temp inside a house fire is apex 1000f degrees it won’t melt. I’d be very interested to see how the vinyl would handle such conditions. This is important since if your say sleeping in your bedroom and a fire starts in your kitchen, if your bedroom door is closed you are isolated enough that you can survive say 15 maybe 20 minutes longer giving us, the rescuers, time to rescue you. Your door is effectively the weak link because the drywall is protecting you. Also yes the PVC will off gas poisonous gas but so will carpet, furniture, etc so hard to say how much of a factor that would be in the above scenario. For sure it would be even more carcinogens for FF to be exposed to.
As a retired firefighter, I too recommend AGAINST using PVC as a Drywall replacement - it melts and the liquid is going to be flammable. The whole reason for drywall between a garage and the house is as a “fire barrier”. Also, any “plastic” that is touted as “flame retardant” contains the dreaded “forever chemicals” that are a health hazard. The garage is a common area that has fires, as well as the Kitchen. Unless you have a “Residential Sprinkler System”, my advice is to stay with Sheetrock!!!
@@HDDD2 My guy with this stuff it would be so much easier to install a home sprinkler system, than drywall, without the risk of water damage. And FFS any house that has been LIT ON FIRE is gonna be FILLED with hazardous chemicals and metals etc. There are just a ton of carcinogens in everyday household item. Drywall sucks when it gets water soaked. in some cases with fires you might come out of it with LESS damage to your home than with drywall after you hose jockeys are done watering the place down!
"Not enough plastic in your life? Try adding some TRUSSCORE! Now you can entomb your entire abode in plastic shell. Micro plastics have you down? You need to add some macro plastics to your life! TRUSSCORE!" I definitely want to write their ad copy.
My biggest issue with this is that if it were to catch on fire, the amount of poisonous gasses and thick dark smoke it would produce would be tremendous rendering escape more difficult. I could be wrong, but that was one of my first thoughts.
It will give of highly toxic phosgene gas, and other poisonous gases. If PVC Smurf tube is banned in commercial buildings (it is), there is no way that crap would ever be allowed.
@@kwilliams2239Maybe for home owner home improvement, but it would NEVER EVER be allowed in any commercial building with an occupancy rating above 9 people. Drywall is actually doubled up for fire rated firewalls and is rated for 30,60,90,120,360 minutes of exposure to open flame. This PVC stuff supports an open flame, and it gives of tons of poisonous gases when it burns. There is no F'ing way I'd ever put that sh**ty crap in between my living space and my garage!!!
@@SatchmoeddieThere are such requirements for home construction, as well. Of course common garage walls have to be either FC, or doubled 1/2" but that's not all. AIUI, plywood, OSB, or MDF can't be used for interior walls, either (thought I've done it). Exposed plastic sheeting (e.g. visqueen) isn't allowed and neither is foam insulation (perhaps the new stuff is?). Anyway, without a lot more evidence, I wouldn't sleep well with this stuff in the living space. Nice idea, but I think I'll give it a pass.
I looked at some of these comments and haven't seen anyone asking about VOCs. Volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are emitted as gases from certain solids or liquids, some of which may have short- and long-term adverse health effects. How much off-gassing takes place? What did the room smell like after installation? This may be okay in a garage, but I wouldn't want it in a room where people spend a lot of time. Volatile organic compounds in polyvinyl chloride (PVC) plastic products readily evaporate; as a result, hazardous gases enter the ecosystem, and cause cancer in humans and other animals. Something to consider.
Yes, you correctly identify VOCs as a real issue with PVC. You named the issue that others did not. I covered off-gassing but did not name VOCs. Others talked about smells emitted from Vinyl Siding as an example. So we are glad you raised this issue in a more technical manner. Thanks
@SgtJackRose I like how you think, give it time and you wont' have much to cover, even more so if you let the wood working bug 'get you'. Just kidding of course.
It really comes down to whether he can be objective even though they game him the material. He seemed to do a thorough job of describing the pros and cons. It does give the appearance of a conflict of interest though.
FTC law dictates that you need to say the video contains a paid promotion unless you paid for the product 100% in full with no deals of any kind with the manufacturer.. Even if they just give you a discount/referral code. It doesn't matter if you "think" you can be unbiased. Test show time and time again that people think they can be unbiased but actually aren't.
He followed the law perfectly, and told you the whole process of how he got the material. Do you really think he could do this channel if he didn’t have brands paying and giving products / materials? There’s no way! Adsense doesn’t give anywhere near enough money to run a channel. So, be thankful you have a him showing you this, or just choose to not watch it. If you don’t want to buy the weird plastic drywall, then don’t. Simple as that.
Literally from their website: *Trusscore Wall&Ceiling Board does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code.* To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly. Here are a couple of examples of fire-rated wall assemblies commonly used in building construction and their components: Fire-Rated Garage Separation Wall: Fire-rated assembly using 5/8-inch Type X gypsum board designed to separate a residential garage from a living space.
Type X or C drywall is by no means 100-percent fireproof. Simply it is drywall that will stand up against flame longer than regular drywall. Also, just because an area is covered in Type X or C drywall does not ensure fire safety for that area, since fire can still find other pathways, such as vents, doors, gaps, cracks, and unblocked stud wall assemblies. If a conventional 1/2-inch thick sheet of drywall will stand up to 30 minutes of fire, then the added 1/8-inch found in the Type X or C drywall, along with its other properties, will double your margin of safety to 60 minutes. For this reason, fire-rated drywall is sometimes called one-hour fire wallboard.
1/2 drywall will give you 30 minutes. There’s no way trusscore even provides a few minutes under the same conditions. 1/2 drywall is an incredible way to slow fire spread. 30 minutes may not seem like much, but this is typically long enough to stay alive and get help (rescue or put the fire out) which is why fire departments around the country emphasize keeping the door shut when sleeping… it’s the most important thing you do in VEIS (vent, enter, ISOLATE - meaning shut the door and turn the room into a survivable space, search) which is one of the many tactics a fire department will use to save people.
ruclips.net/video/bSP03BE74WA/видео.htmlsi=n99eIpzcDjiUX0M6 This doesn’t work with a trusscore wall. Insinuating they are the same is really dangerous.
I was thinking that, the poor flame resistance, and the fact that it's PLASTIC. Recyclable or not, I don't like the idea of using plastic in my house. What if something happens and my house has to be torn down? Will the wreckers KNOW it's recyclable, or even what it is? There's a high chance that, whether I'm alive or not, when it is taken from the house through either wrecking, remodeling, or whatever, it'll end up in a landfill. Yes, that's where drywall ends up and drywall isn't recyclable, but drywall has worked for 65 years and we already have facilities in place to make it. Which brings up another point I thought of. Start-up for any business is so high now, and the market is already flooded with drywall, I doubt this will get off the ground more than it already has.
@@woozy607 It's what happens when it is heated. The gasses from it may mean you can't even escape in a fire that you would normally escape. It's the reason why certain materials are banned for use on ships.
Ive seen this product used for ceilings but there are some drawbacks. Drywall is an excellent sound and temperature insulator. It can deal with condensation and is excellent in fires. But best of all it's not polluting your home with toxic chemicals. Unfortunately all the good attributed of drywall cant be demonstrated by putting PVC panels all through your home. If you enjoy the feeing of living in a caravan or worksight shed. Go for it.
These are already more than enough reasons to keep using drywal. How about having to use specific types of paint for these panels ? And how to have a large seamless area with so many panels ? I think this will be a fluke.....
100% this! 1. Terrible insulation factor 2. No way it has the same 1hr fire rating as drywall. 3. No way it'll pass code for installation between shared walls. 4. Not good sound barrier. Even IF it's for garages only...never as good or safe as drywall! Fluke indeed! *Notice all the plywood you'll need to install this as well?*
At least he didn't only say it was "sent to me" like so many people who get free stuff. Basically not wanting to actually say they got anything for free. Amazon sends me things all the time, that doesn't mean it's free.
Yeah, finally: More plastic. And "PVC is recyclable" - maybe, in theory. But ultimately, it will end in a landfill or will be burned, releasing cancerogenic gases. There is a better alternative to drywall: Clay sheets. Made from clay with fibreglass net reinforcement. Clay can be recycled endlessly, even at home. And, due to its ability to control moisture, makes a fantastic inside climate.
@@stephenshelton4267 Poly Vinal Chloride is one of the most toxic plastics in all stages of it's life cycle. Part of why PEX is used for water pipes now and PVC is only used for stuff like sewage and electrical conduits these days.
Not safe for internal walls. The toxic off gasing during a fire will take any breathing thing out quickly in a confined space. I'd never place that inside a living structure. Drywall does have some fire resistance.
Why does everyone talk about the toxic gasses in a fire? Does anyone worry about all the other items in your home burning? Nearly everything is going to asphyxiate you in a fire. That's why you need to have working fire/smoke alarms and when they go off, get OUT of the HOUSE!
Yes, I said something similar. I think most foam, comfortable furniture, beds, etc., are a far greater source of toxic and easy to burn materials. Still would rather have sheet rock as it gives you more time against the fire and it is safer.@@rickcollins1825
Drywall not only offers some fire resistance, it also offers a much lower (orders of magnitude lower) fire-load than PVC. What a nightmare emvironmental hazard this would become if PVC paneling became the goto product for ilining the interior walls of homes. Things are already bad enough given how many homes are covered in vinyl siding a/k/a toxic synthetic plastics :'( PVC wall paneling is a huge step, in the wrong direction :'(
Drywall has a feature that this PVC wall does not. As an Ex-Fire Marshall, I'll tell you right up front, it won't stop or slow the spread of fire and is far more likely to feed the fire, endangering Firefighters and occupants everywhere it is used. Not to mention that PVC is a primary source of noxious fumes when it burns. It increases the likelihood of Firefighters and occupants getting poisoned by the emanating fumes. It's a serious deficit that should cause it to be banned from primary living spaces. It's a cheap cop out. It's used in China and it doesn't stand up well. It doesn't weather well, and it doesn't last. It's an unsafe junk product. I am also a Certified Quality Assurance Auditor for over 35 years.
This is basically a retread of Trusscore's marketing materials, as other commenters have said, PVC is a pretty dangerous material to work with and some insurance companies won't cover you if you have it installed as wall cladding. No attempt to test sound dampening or fire resistance, for example.
PVC isn't legal where i live for construction use like this, because of fire risk (toxic fumes), I am also concerned about sound insulation of such a light product.
@@LouisAlfieri-n2l what did you use to measure this? because physics disagrees with you. taking away mass will NEVER result in better sound insulation or isolation. they only way to legitimately sound proof a room is by adding mass.
I only made it about 2 minutes, after he said he didn't get paid or anything for this video and then 30 seconds later he says how they were "kind enough" to send him enough material to do his whole garage.
Imagine having pvc floors, walls and ceilings with air foam insulation and they all offgass voc into your airtight energy efficient home. They're literally trying to kill you.
@@SophiaAphrodite Even with all the cut (dusty and melted) ends everywhere ? Like when you lay a carpet.. probably not a bad idea to vent for a while until it gets down to that "VOC is so low" period. Yes, I know that drywall install leaves a tremendous mess.. worse than this stuff no doubt. lol
Trusscore is in compliance with low VOC standards. After much research, I used Trusscore to construct a 40x20x10 clean room for a medical product manufacturer, and not a single whiff of plastic. The stuff is good, but it definitely has limitations on where its best used (especially in a residence).
@@photog1529 These panels meet the California Department of Public Health 01350 standard for low-emitting materials. This compliance ensures better indoor environmental quality and healthier indoor spaces.
pvc has a fairly low melting point so it will readily melt in a fire. Of more concern is that it will also combust (burn). The problem is with PVC is that it contains chlorine and as such when it burns it releases a range of toxic substances including hydrochloric acid and dioxins/furans and other organochlorides.
It being an engineer substance i would hope that they design a fire resistant version in the future. This might be of use in cement buildings with very high innate fire resistance - provided nothing flammable is used in the halls to prevent travel.
I do wonder if it has an hour or fire resistance that you would get using a 15mm fire-check board. (Which are very heavy!) I'm sure that these panels are probably UPvC which has been used in window frames for years, and is A) hard to light on fire B) usually self extinguishing when source of fire removed. So doesn't really spread fire. There are full scale fire tests done at BRe Cardington, and the upvc windows softened and the glass fell out! But they really didn't burn much at all. So these panels could actually be quite good in fire. It does look pretty good, at least until you scratch it.
Yeah, I caught that too. Any review done by someone who gets free stuff is totally invalid. The only valid review is done by someone who has to do the research, purchase the product on their own, anonymously to the manufacturer to ensure they are not be provided with product that was binned to be selected high quality product from the production run, and paid for it all with their own money. This review is BS because it was bought and paid for by the manufacturer.
@@jamesclaeys3192 Good luck with that, seems like 90 percent of youtubers weasel in some product placement constantly. Now they are basically just big long commercials. They are supposed to disclose it but rarely do.
I had something similar to that in the home I purchased recently. Ripped it out and replaced with driwall. There were several reasons for this. Having seen the results after several buildings using it had been burned out and speaking to the firemen, they mentioned the extra heat over a normal fire as well as the toxic fumes. That however was not my major reasons for removing it - they were insulation related and appearance. This does not noise dampen as well as drywall. The rooms also appeared to have higher moisture content, so I am guessing it does not breathe well. The dehumidifier was taking out more than double the moisture before replacement. It also does not look as nice painted as drywall.
I could see it being a good solution for a shop or garage with it being more durable, but it would be tough to get a fully smooth surface for painting in a home or office setting, plus how well paint would actually stick long-term, as I imagine trying to paint PVC pipe and having it continually look good. With the air gap it has, I'd be curious if it handles better thermally than sheetrock (which would additively make it good for garages & outbuildings). • Added thought: being lightweight, it might be good for custom/homemade van/RV builds for the interior wall, and easy to keep clean.
The whole purpose for drywall, and previously lath and plaster, is for fire protection. The asthetics wrought by its surface are actually secondary to its primary purpose. Even 1/2" DW provided significant fire protection and is very resistant to fire breakthrough. This is also the reason we use 5/8" Type X DW on the ceiling, because the flame jet is significantly more intense above than from the sides. PVC, as another commenter stated previously, has a low melting point and thus, and low flame point once vaporize. It must be remembered that, all things being equal, the typical modern furnished room, once lit, will progress to flashover in about 5 minutes. Flashover is when all combustible materials will ignited simultaneously, and the heat generated will be in the 1500F range. I cannot see this stuff meeting code specs at all and I would tend to advocate against its use, other than perhaps for exterior siding.
I pinned a comment with more info but Trusscore Wall & Ceiling Board has a "Class A" fire rating with a flame spread index of 10 and smoke developed index of 380 per ASTM E84. It's definitely not intended to replace Type-X or 5/8" drywall but is comparable to 1/2" drywall when it comes to both fire rating and sound transmission. It's always a good idea to double check everything you hear (including what I say) but I had a tough time finding any fire rating info for 1/2" drywall. The info I have comes from Trusscore itself.
@@LRN2DIY Does not meet the requirements for fire resistance. "Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code. To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly." No one tries to sell anything without compensation. Nice try though. Sure it lasts supposedly 100 yrs but it is also expensive upfront and worse yet, "If you still want to mount or fasten items directly to Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard, keep this advice in mind: When hanging an item directly on a Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard panel, items should never be directly fastened without back support." An alternative? Perhaps. Drywall replacement? No. Oh, btw, "PVC is useless without the addition of many toxic additives, which can make the PVC product itself harmful to consumers. These chemicals can evaporate or leach out of PVC, posing health risks to children and consumers (off-gassing). The new car or shower curtain smell is that of chemicals off-gassing from the PVC." "PVC is the most environmentally damaging plastic. The PVC lifecycle -- its production, use, and disposal -- results in the release of toxic, chlorine-based chemicals" Oh and, "THE MANUFACTURER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS RELATED TO EXPANSION DUE TO. TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS. IF WIDE TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS EXIST". Some of us are aware that plastics can change shape with temperature changes. Cool product though..
I worry about the gasses PVC gives off in fire. Drywall, being mostly gypsum which can give off small amounts of sulferous compounds, but is largely inert. in ordinary fires. PVC gives off significant amounts of chlorinate gasses. Mostly Hydrochloric acid in gaseous form which is VERY nasty stuff, as it becomes a very strong acid in your tissues and in any water around. FWIW HCL will extinguish a nearby fire ... but the heat is still there and ore HCl will be released until things cool off and it won't help if a fire is getting fuel and oxygen from somewhere else.
NIMH but if your in landlord tenant issue I'd certainly considering because there are always going to be a bad apple that likes to cause thousands of $$ of damage you got to put up drywall in an apartment. House. ETC. Bedrooms, bathrooms, living rooms, but yeah not the kitchen I'd stick to good ol drywall. In a rental remodel situation it certainly does look attractive.
Where I live, pvc panels are used by some for interior ceilings, but insurance companies won't insure you because of its fire risks and toxic smoke (during) and residue risks after a fire.
1:49 No, PVC is not recyclable. Almost no plastics are recyclable. Of the six major plastic categories (there are thousands of variations, which contributes to the recycling problem) only PETE (type 1) and HDPE (type 2) are even remotely recyclable. Most of type 1 and 2 and almost all of the other types just end up being incinerated. The types, for those curious: 1 polyethylene terephthalate (PETE) - commonly known as polyester 2 high density polyethylene (HDPE) - most single use plastic bags are made of this, it is kind of crinkly 3 polyvinyl chloride (PVC) - AKA vinyl, used a lot in construction (pipes, siding, flooring) and of course records 4 low density polyethylene (LDPE) - used a lot in packaging, it feels "softer" and more flexible than its high density counterpart (compare a shopping bag to a bread bag) 5 polypropylene (PP) - typically strong and has higher chemical resistance, most pill bottles will be made of this 6 polystyrene (PS) - when foamed it is styrofoam, also used a lot in unfoamed form for things like single serving sized pudding or yogurt cups (it molds well) 7 "wait I thought you said six" - some combination of the previous six, completely unrecyclable
All plastic is recyclable. It.can be recycled back to oil by thermal depolymerization. So-called recycling that is actually reusing plastic simply doesn't work.
PVC (polyvinyl chloride) is recyclable, but its recycling process is more complex compared to other plastics like PET or HDPE. PVC recycling involves several steps to ensure that the material is processed safely, as it contains chlorine and potentially hazardous additives. The recyclability of PVC also depends on the presence of recycling facilities equipped to handle it, as not all recycling centers accept PVC due to these complexities.
@@jamestyrer907 Not back to oil, exactly, but to a variety of hydrocarbons of different molecular weights. It is also a very energy intensive process. So you end up spending a lot of effort sorting plastics, then a lot of energy depolymerizing them, and then have to do a lot of processing to get anything useful out of the resulting mix of liquids and gases. As far as I know, no one is doing it at scale because the cost - dollars and carbon emissions - is too high. PVC is particularly difficult to work with because depolymerization of it creates highly corrosive hydrogen chloride.
Class A for fire spread and a smoke index of 380. It can't be used solely if a room requires fire resistance by code, still has to be put over type X drywall for certain applications to meet fire code
@rdizzy1 so, basically it can be used anywhere code doesn't call for a fire resistant barrier like garage to living space wall, again....depending where you're at
@@steeeeve86 Yeah, but I can't find any specs that show it being any worse than sheetrock drywall. (In terms of regulations.) They use nothing but painted drywall in my walls in my apartment.
Funny as well how most states' fire codes consider the garage to have lower requirements despite most homes having the garage attached to them. This should only be used in a structure that is separate from the house.
They put something like this on the façade of an apartment building in Spain...and a small fire turned the entire façade and then the building into an inferno. 12 people were killed and the building was made of concrete.
The fire happened in Valencia Spain on February 23. According to an article by the The Guardian, "Final death toll from Spanish tower block blaze is nine, say police", Esther Puchades, an industrial engineer who once inspected the building, said the fire had spread so rapidly because the block, which was completed in 2009, was covered with highly combustible polyurethane cladding. When the material is heated, “it is like plastic and it ignites”, she said. She said the fire was the first of its type in Spain but that others involving the material have been similarly destructive in the UK and China... ...The tragedy recalled the 2017 fire at the 24-storey Grenfell Tower in London, which killed 72 people after it spread rapidly because of highly combustible cladding on the block’s exterior walls. A public inquiry has yet to publish its final report.
@@brian_castro The material on that building is not the same at all. The cladding on that tower and in spain as well were polyurethane coating, PVC is not polyurethane. And even polyurethane can be made to be fire resistant (you add other ingredients into it). Some firestops are made of polyurethane for instance, even in nuclear reactor buildings, because they can be made very fire resistant.
Can you instal this over existing drywall ? Does it have any insulating properties ? Two of the walls (and the door) in my garage are not considered outer walls and I'm sure they're not insulated.
I'm a drywall finisher with over 20 years experience who believes it's a sacred trade as it has given me a life, however, unlike people I read in the comments, I believe drywall as a whole, is a very expensive material when you think of it as a finished product, including the labor and materials for the 4 steps it takes too become a wall , from installing sheet rock panels, all the way to paint, it's a lot of money and a very weak/ easily damaged product, I also like modern looks and the smoother than silk look in this panels you are showing is great , so, I wouldn't throw too much shade at a product of this nature, however, if I were to get technical I'd have some things to point out as a "wall expert" 1. Just because a product is slick and shiny with a flat and smooth look, doesn't mean that your framing is a flush and square surface, thus, the joints are potentially going to look cheap unless perfectly assessed as they could warp, stick out at the seems/ joints, have humps, etc 2. The joints, even if perfectly aligned and flush against each other, are not for everyone, its a specific look that can be great but it's equivalent to a cabin look, for cabin lovers, you know, with big log walls,real or faux, it's not for everyone, I hate that look, lol, in actual city/ urban/ suburban homes most people want fully smooth walls that make the whole Frankenstein become a 1 single peace wall with no stops aside from inside angles, throughout the whole house 3. Just because it's a more durable product doesn't mean it won't get dingy and nicked over time, in high traffic areas that are also highly visible, doubt a little bit of sanding fixes the issue on a plastic surface 4. Saying it's a finished product is a bit of a stretch if only 2 colors are available and if the cuts around outlets, switches, wall lamps, doors, windows, etc aren't prefab, there's always going to be mistakes when calculating where pipes and the above mentioned are, within a given panel, those mistakes can't always be fixed with an over sized cover plate, having to replace a whole sheet every time that happens renders the material very problematic and cost wise ,very expensive ,when compared to how local and small of a problem something of that nature is for drywall The burning issue, maybe another thing to add, but I don't think much of it, homes are toxic enough as they are today, people going crazy here, clearly don't realize what's in and on their walls, specially the new ones with full spray foam or Styrofoam locking blocks all the different adhesives, paints, etc, if this houses burn, there ain't nothing good to go inhale in there , in between all this materials no house can be used as aromatherapy while burning, so get that out of your mind and be ready to run when it happens
I can't believe this even a serious pitch. Can't believe I watched this as far as I did. As another said in this commentary...This will never replace drywall.
I'm not going to lie dry wall looks better too. You can do a lot of angles and mud is more moldable than plastic. The only place this stuff can be is in spaceship halls or high impact hallways.
Literally from their website: Trusscore Wall&Ceiling Board does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code. To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly. Here are a couple of examples of fire-rated wall assemblies commonly used in building construction and their components: Fire-Rated Garage Separation Wall: Fire-rated assembly using 5/8-inch Type X gypsum board designed to separate a residential garage from a living space.
@@basillah7650 And that just upped the price right there again... good product for limited utility application use in an open air environment... like garages and car wash, laundry room...
@@beartankoperator7950 I don't know the USian system (or, more likely, 50 systems, 1 per sub-country ; if not 1 per municipality), but on this side of the world, "codes" are more often "goal-setting" rather than "(material) prescriptive". If the properties are such that fume generation, flame transmission, etc are adequately low, you should get approval. But it'll take some test cases first. Which I'm sure TrussCore Inc are working on. One issue I have is that the results will probably be very different for the material oriented vertically versus horizontally. But that'll be for them to address in seeking national (or pan-European) approvals.
PVC oxidizes and over time, those panels will yellow and become brittle. The UV protectant they put in the PVC off gasses as it oxidizes and breaks down which accelerates the breakdown. If there is any natural light where this is installed, it will yellow and become roughly textured. You would absolutely need to paint it to allow for a long useful life span.
@@rangerrick2246no if you paint the material, it will prevent the oxidation if the coating blocks the uv light. most thick coatings of paint will do that.vinyl that is painted can't exactly spend time outside or it'll warp from the sun and heat. the paint does however also change over time it often gets darker if it's light or lighter if it's dark.
PVC has a huge coefficient of expansion compared to drywall. Where uneven heating occurs, I wonder if buckling will be an issue. Another thing we do'nt need is more plastic in the landfill.
I noticed you are fastening this stuff to chipboard; that may or may not have insulation behind it instead of it spanning studs. Is this intended to replace drywall or just another wall covering? How well does it wear over time? How safe is it in the case of fire? If it were used like drywall and spanned the studs with insulation behind it; how well will it hold up to impact such as a baseball of a golf swing? How long does it take before it goes brittle and start chipping and flaking? It seems that one would have to install a backing ( chipboard, particle board or some type of sheet wood) for it to be strong enough to resist impacts; is there more to it than what's being told? Inquiring minds want to know!!
The only good thing about the channel is how impressively good he is at making me click on his videos - they are like clickbait v2.0 - the titles don't SOUND really obviously clickbaity and the subject interests me and so I often click before remembering this guy is a joke. I wish it were possible to block channels on youtube.
PVC should not be inside your house in large quantities. "One of the most common toxic additives is Di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), a phthalate that is a suspected carcinogen and reproductive toxicant readily found in numerous PVC products."
I just asked about this and saw your comment, so I edited my comment. Do these chemicals off-gas normally or is that something you'd only have to worry about in a fire?
I was sold until you came to the price. $4k for a 20'x20' room?! Insane. Drywall is here to stay. Not to mention the toxic smoke others have pointed out.
4K? Wtf? I didn't watch the whole video but thought about installing these in my detached garage because it's old and has some moisture issues but 4k it's just too much.
I was thinking the same until I looked up what's available. HomeDepot is selling it for $322 for a box of 8. Cool. Then I noticed that the panels are only 16" wide, not 48". So that box covers the same as 2.6 sheets of sheet rock that sells for ~$11/sheet. So that comes to $120 for same 4x8 coverage . While the ease of installation is a good thing, Order of magnitue in price? Nope.
Can't easily be cut and shaped like drywall. Holes cut into it (e.g. for electrical receptacles) can't easily be patched like drywall. It's PVC, so when it burns it'll produce toxic smoke, unlike drywall. Yeah, nah, this isn't a "drywall killer". It's just vinyl siding for use indoors, and who wants that?
Yea this seems really not that appealing. How are you going to get nice clean patches like you can with drywall + mud? Seems like a nightmare, not to mention all the other issues
It wasn't mentioned but all the walls are shown installed over plywood. 5/8" plywood sheets add to the weight (55lbs for osb) along with 20-50$ per sheet. That will add significant work to the DIY in which some might not be able to transport or lift that weight. It also adds to the cost and time. Maybe it was addressed and I missed him talking about it but that stood out quickly in my eyes when he showed installations. It also changes durability with plywood behind it verses straight to the studs. I think it was touched on before the toxic qualities to PVC burning. Since most deaths in house fires are from smoke inhalation this would just add to that toxic nature. Seems like a cool product for possibly water proofing the walls of a garage. I've never been a fan of drywall in a garage.
Looking for this comment. This is very important. No one wants to have to sheath a wall just to put paneling up. Drywall is just the sheathing part, basically.
@@ThePlaidPhantomthanks for observing that. He should have mentioned that aloud, though, since it’s a crucial point. And yes, installation video at 18:15 shows them vertically directly over the studs.
If you mount it to studs horizontally does it bow(in or out)? If you mount it vertically how do you secure it to studs on 16 inch centers? How do you mount a heavy cabinet to it if the mounting holes do not fall on the studs?
I can purchase 5/8" 4' x 10' fire resistant drywall sheets for $19 each. A 20' x 20' garage would use 20 sheets, side by side for all four sides (no door). Your material cost would be $380.00. You would still need mud, tape, and screws. Even with all the other materials that is a long way from $4000. My drywall finishing skills are bad, but its a garage, they will suffice.
@@SalemHarbor And all the other plastic containers, vinyl coating on wires, carpet, and dozens of other things arn't toxic?(clothes basket, milk jug, trash can, clock radio, TV, vinyl mini blinds, shower curtain, baby powder jug, peanut butter jar, shampoo bottle, I could go on and list probably hundreds of other plastic items in the house)
I was wondering about using it on exterior. He didn't actually talk about that... I woul dlove to do the outside of my barn and then paint it red again.
I’ll stick with repairable drywall. Caulk a hole? Can you sand it? It will look like a pre-manufactured home, especially with the necessary trim for installation.
But I noticed that you had to have a backing for the vinyl material which looks like OSB. So what’s the point of putting vinyl over OSB when you already have the OSB.?
I noticed you installed this on a flat OSB wall. Is it just a wall covering? Traditional drywall adds rigidity between the studs. Does this product just flop in and out between the studs if you apply pressure against the finished wall?
I’m not sure anti microbial is the same as mold resistant. Plus, I see more mold on PVC trim and vinyl siding than wood any day of the week. Thanks for all of your input and research.
“I have ‘basically’ nothing to gain from this and I’m not getting paid” … “Btw, They gave me enough of this material to redo my entire garage” Now I’m not suggesting you’re a bad person for taking their gifts, just maybe tone it down with the “I gain nothing from this”, because it seems an incentive was definitely there.
They’re not paying me a commission for this video, but they ARE sending me whatever I need to make a video and talk about it. semantics *COME. ON. MAN.*
What about fire resistance? Code requirements? What kind of surfaces are acceptable or best for installation - stud wall, plywood/wafer board, drywall?
I see that many people already mention that this is ok for garage but this will not replace drywall for interior. It will look very cheap, this is basically the same as vinyl exterior siding.
@@holzmann8443 Plastic fascia, cladding, soffits, gutters, and now this. It's time to boycott this litter. I do construction work and I think I'm going to refuse to fit these kind of plastics in future.
Class A for fire spread and a smoke index of 380. It can't be used solely if a room requires fire resistance by code, still has to ne put over type X drywall for certain applications to meet fire code
This, at least, isn't meant to be disposable. Non disposable plastics seem fine to me, particularly when they can be recycled, and if we regulated disposable plastics so that we only used biodegradable bioplastics we wouldn't have to have a silly debate where some people want us to use those horrible paper straws that they wrap in plastic during shipping so humidity doesn't kill them. The microplastics problem is at least 90% caused by Teflon though.
@@AberrantArt 100% it's all bad tho. That's life. Back when metal ran certain cities in America you can find many examples of towns falling ill due to the outputs of various industries. I watch a vid on yt about some town where because it was in a valley with a big factory (can't recall the type) all it took was certain seasonal conditions and low wind and the smoke from the factory settled in the town instead of blowing away & ppl were sick & dying from a mystery fog.
How does the material work when trying to affix something to the wall? For example, if someone wanted to hang a picture on their wall - how would they do that, and would they be able to repair the hole at a later date?
Any plaster board fixing which is designed to bite into the board won't work with this stuff. The only chance you've got in fixing something to the surface is to use spring/butterfly toggles if there's enough void space behind. But you won't be able to fix anything heavy, as this stuff will simply crush when tightning the toggle. Other than that, install a timber pattress in advance if you know where things are going before installation. This stuffs not designed to replace plasterboard at all. It bends for a start, so you would have bendy walls in between the timber studs!!! Its designed to clad bathroom/shower walls instead of tiling and grouting, but it still requires a plaster board or cement board substrate to adhere it to.
picture rails are how people often hang art on plaster walls what are easily cracked. Just like the art galleries it works well. Picture rails have been in use for centuries.
Trusscore probably has a small niche it can fill, but I doubt it will replace drywall in the majority of homes. It has too much of the cheap look that vinyl siding has which is the same reason vinyl siding hasn't replaced most other forms of siding.
The Grenfell Tower block fire in 2017 showed what plastic walls do to a building. The tower had the "safer" PE as opposed to PVC (which releases toxic fumes), but it helped the fire spread quickly. 72 died.
Basically vinyl siding for the interior. Lighter and easier than drywall, but likely little or no fire protection despite the claim. Likely would not meet code. Sounds like the manufactures claims fire protection, but I simply don't believe it. Plastic is made from petroleum and not only is flammable, but gives off toxic fumes when it burns. If they added chemicals to reduced flammability, the fumes could even be more toxic. Impact protection is nice, but no one throws fast balls in my garage and I have no garage drywall damage after 60 years.
Something like this would be good to top the 5/8 drywall in my carport, and perfect if it was just a flat sheet with no hollow core. No mold, dirt daubers could be pressure washed, and still a commercial fire rating.
@@Bob_AdkinsGreat point. Now that I think about, it would be great in the bottom foot of wall of a structure that is subject to flooding. Drywall doesn't do well with flooding!
@davebenson8547 I don’t think you understand what toxic means. Burning wood and paper gives off smoke that you don’t want to breathe but it doesn’t make them toxic.
@@davebenson8547 > everything in your house gives off toxic fumes when it burns....fyi If I had a fire in my house and I was still inside by the time plaster, brick, and concrete blocks were burning and giving off toxic fumes I would be long burned to a crisp.
We're restoring a 100+ year old house. I found the original lattice and larger boards under the drywall. Labor aside, because we'll be working on this for years, I was thinking of going back to plaster. Thoughts?
The title "It's been a good run, drywall" is a premature statement or click & bait attempt. After seeing your video, I'm not sure if this product has more pros than cons and there are several attributes & variables that seem misleading. One of the ones that stuck out the most is "Fire rating". With what little I know, PVC (Polyvinyl Chloride) is certainly more flammable than Drywall (Pressed Gypsum), unless chemical additives are introduced to improve on the fire retardant properties. PVC also contains dangerous chemical additives including phthalates, lead, cadmium, and/or organotins, which can be toxic specially when it burns. These toxic additives can also leach out or evaporate into the air over time, posing unnecessary dangers to children (as posted by New Jersey's Dept. Of Human Services). 100% PVC is not inherently harmful to humans, but it is also very hard and brittle, so it’s not a particularly useful material to anyone. It is when phthalates & Bisphenol-A (BPA) are added so it can be an useful material. With this set aside... I could realistically only consider the use of this product in a garage as shown or an industrial environment, based on its gaps & seams which obviously are not appropriate for good insulation when used with trusses vs. Wooden panels for backing. Drywall although labor intensive, will have a better end result in aesthetics, insulation and long term practicality, since it can easily be patched/repaired. As for the modularity of adding paneling slats, facilitating mounts & hardware. This is already an option commonly installed on top of the drywall. I don't want to come accross as I'm bashing on your video and product, I just tried to just post some facts and personal perspectives. Cheers 🤙....
1. Does the Trusscore take wallpaper well? 2. How well does it seal re insulation and blocking air movement/heat leaking? 3. To repair damage, would it come down to panel replacement (as in siding as an analogy)? Thanks for the informative video.
We need to avoid using plastics and poly products as much as possible everywhere! As it breaks down we end up breathing the micro plastics in, it ends up in our soil and water and is a major concern all over the world as we are seeing levels rising and health effects now. Stick to old fashioned drywall!
In this scenario, there appears to be sheathing covering the wall studs already, then they cover the sheathing with Trusscore. With drywall, there is no sheathing required. You cover it once, and it's done. Furthermore, drywall offers a fire break which is often required by code between the garage and living quarters.
We use a similar product in the carwashes we build due to its water resistance and ability to be easily cleaned. the panel we use is actually manufactured in the united states and costs less than this panel. It is virtually identical to this product. A very nice feature of this is how quickly it can be installed. One thing I did notice in the video is that in the type of commercial installations I have seen it is normally hung vertically and not horizontally. There is also a selection of colors available allowing for decorative stripes, accents or to match branding at locations. A wide range of trim and molding is also available, think wainscot or chair rail.
Drrywall offers almost no insulation value, so irrelevant point. This would seal better and be more water proof than sheetrock (just like on the outside of your house)
They've been using these here in South America for at least 10 years. They come in a million different colors and textures printed on them like marbel, granite, and wood grains. I really like how they look when used as ceilings. I was going to buy some to make a box to place a cat liter box inside of it and have it vent outside.
We use this in UK mostly on bathroom cielings but it’s becoming more available for wetwall replacement but it so easily broken dented and fades quickly when in sunlight when cutting.. i only use it for ceilings but you can easily damage it with your hands trying to get T+G together because they always start to creep and end up with a slight gap appearing so its must warp slightly aswell.. its not the best for walls but for ceilings that are never fallen into or punched ect its great
Do you use the same product as this? (just asking since they show it being hit...) But good point about sagging! I'm super curious now if it may sag if installed horizontally?? Also, how will those horizontal gaps be about collecting dust and dirt?! More I think about it, maybe installing it vertically would be best for multiple reasons??
I saw this being screwed on to plywood - that is not what I have in my garage - dry wall is put directly onto the wood studs - so there is an extra cost for this ? or can we just put this on wood studs directly without plywood below ?
FIRE SAFETY: We've had some great questions about fire ratings and sound rating specifics. Here's some more info on that. The gist of it is that this performs the same as 1/2" drywall. You can use it anywhere you use 1/2" drywall but, just like 1/2" drywall, it does not have a 1 hour fire rating. In the few specific locations that require that, it's suggested that you stick with 5/8"" drywall.
• Fire Performance: Just like drywall, Trusscore panels have a Class A fire rating (a flame spread index of 10 and smoke developed index of 380 per ASTM E84). This rating measures how effectively the panels limit flame spread and smoke development in the event of a fire. For areas requiring walls that restrict fire spread between rooms, Trusscore must be installed over an approved fire-rated wall assembly or other approved material.
• VOCs or Off Gassing: Trusscore panels are comparable to low VOC paints, they are low VOC compliant and meet the strictest standards the US has, the California Department of Public Health 01350 standard for low-emitting materials.
• The Noise Reduction Coefficient (NRC) performance of Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard is estimated to be 0.15 (i.e., 15% of sound is absorbed). 1/2" Drywall's performance is also 0.15.
• The STC or Sound Transmission Class of Trusscore is 30 to 35. 1/2” Drywall's STC is 33. STC is a measurement of how much sound the material lets through.
Reminds me of Dumwall I used in our bathroom remodel.
are the fumes toxic when its burned/melted?
@@justpassinbyywas wondering that too. I know with Ethernet cabling for example, "plenum" rated Cat 6 UTP is made with either less PVC or is 100% PVC-free so that if the cable catches on fire, the fumes don't get into the plenum space and HVAC. Apparently PVC is pretty toxic when it burns.
I'm wondering if you could add fire rated paint to this in order to increase it's applications? I had that done to my converted finished attic right on spray foam and it's a much better idea than the decades old quiet board.
I'd stay away from that PVC stuff. If that ever burns you have huge volumes of toxic gas emitted.
I work at a PVC pipe manufacturing company, when PVC burns, it will release a number of harmful toxic fumes, like Hydrogen Chloride Gas, which will burn your eyes and lungs and can be fatal with high exposure.
So if you have this product in your entire house to replace drywall and a fire starts, the smoke and fumes alone can kill you within less than a minute. Here in Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 where I'm from most homes are made with brick and mortar, not drywall for internal walls, however, this product has become very popular in doing the ceiling, so we call it PVC ceiling, some are white or you can get textured patterns or even marble type design patterns etc. It's not illegal in Trinidad, but more importantly some insurance companies won't accept it because of it's potential hazards as stated above.
I agree 100%, putting pvc inside the house is a major concern. It outgases chlorine gas when it burns which is toxic. As a design engineer we are not allowed to put things like this in plenum spaces by code. I wouldn’t put this in my house.
You can smell plastic even normally at room temperature. That is also offgassing. I wouldn't opt for plastic inside a house.
Thank you for your valuable input. I’m just a normal person with normal knowledge in general, but I even know, plastics, PVC, or otherwise, are not a good thing to have all over the house, let along the cheap looks of it. This product just don’t provide the minimum standards of improvement over drywall.
Just like plenum rated PVC cable jackets you can easily add additives that prevent PVC from smoking or catching fire in home and commercial fires. It is simple chemistry and used in many PVC products at a nominal cost. Just because your pipe company doesn't make their product fire retardant doesn't mean other manufactures like this PVC wall panel product are making a safer product.
Is it true that when PVC degrades it puts off gasses that will cause metal to rust almost instantly?
I'm an injection molding process tech and that is what is said about it.
Ever have a contactor stick closed on a heater band?
I've had that happen when molding acetal. That puts off gasses that are the same as tear gas. That evacuates a shop very quickly. Someone has to go over to the machine to shut the power off. Tough thing to do going over to the source of the gasses to hit the main disconnect.
For a garage, I can see using this. However, unless you're a fan of making your home look like a mobile home trailer, I just can't see using this in the interior of a home.
I came here to say this. No one likes the esthetics of paneling.
@@rhuwynJust to clarify this does not apply to wainscotting panels which definitely still has fans.
Some paneling is just fine depending on the style of the house. But this PVC stuff is just plain ugly.@@rhuwyn
If there is no way to hide the horizontal seams, yes you will feel like trailer trash in a million dollar home.
I thought the same thing about the aesthetics. Also, I imagine it offers poor sound absorption so it'll make for an acoustically unpleasant space.
I’m a firefighter. There is no way that pvc is stopping fire spread in a hot fire. The great thing about drywall is when the temp inside a house fire is apex 1000f degrees it won’t melt. I’d be very interested to see how the vinyl would handle such conditions. This is important since if your say sleeping in your bedroom and a fire starts in your kitchen, if your bedroom door is closed you are isolated enough that you can survive say 15 maybe 20 minutes longer giving us, the rescuers, time to rescue you. Your door is effectively the weak link because the drywall is protecting you. Also yes the PVC will off gas poisonous gas but so will carpet, furniture, etc so hard to say how much of a factor that would be in the above scenario. For sure it would be even more carcinogens for FF to be exposed to.
As a retired firefighter, I too recommend AGAINST using PVC as a Drywall replacement - it melts and the liquid is going to be flammable. The whole reason for drywall between a garage and the house is as a “fire barrier”. Also, any “plastic” that is touted as “flame retardant” contains the dreaded “forever chemicals” that are a health hazard. The garage is a common area that has fires, as well as the Kitchen. Unless you have a “Residential Sprinkler System”, my advice is to stay with Sheetrock!!!
I’m more concerned about how difficult it would be to pull ceilings and walls with my pike pole or New York hook! 😂
Idk, have you ever lived in a living space completely covered in PVC
Good argument, solid
@@HDDD2 My guy with this stuff it would be so much easier to install a home sprinkler system, than drywall, without the risk of water damage. And FFS any house that has been LIT ON FIRE is gonna be FILLED with hazardous chemicals and metals etc. There are just a ton of carcinogens in everyday household item. Drywall sucks when it gets water soaked. in some cases with fires you might come out of it with LESS damage to your home than with drywall after you hose jockeys are done watering the place down!
"Not enough plastic in your life? Try adding some TRUSSCORE! Now you can entomb your entire abode in plastic shell. Micro plastics have you down? You need to add some macro plastics to your life! TRUSSCORE!" I definitely want to write their ad copy.
Right, exactly what I was thinking. This seems like the worst idea
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My biggest issue with this is that if it were to catch on fire, the amount of poisonous gasses and thick dark smoke it would produce would be tremendous rendering escape more difficult. I could be wrong, but that was one of my first thoughts.
I can't imagine your wrong. This is vinyl siding for the inside of your home.
That was my first thought, too. Is this stuff really acceptable for interior spaces? Seems dangerous. Does code allow it?
It will give of highly toxic phosgene gas, and other poisonous gases. If PVC Smurf tube is banned in commercial buildings (it is), there is no way that crap would ever be allowed.
@@kwilliams2239Maybe for home owner home improvement, but it would NEVER EVER be allowed in any commercial building with an occupancy rating above 9 people. Drywall is actually doubled up for fire rated firewalls and is rated for 30,60,90,120,360 minutes of exposure to open flame. This PVC stuff supports an open flame, and it gives of tons of poisonous gases when it burns. There is no F'ing way I'd ever put that sh**ty crap in between my living space and my garage!!!
@@SatchmoeddieThere are such requirements for home construction, as well. Of course common garage walls have to be either FC, or doubled 1/2" but that's not all. AIUI, plywood, OSB, or MDF can't be used for interior walls, either (thought I've done it). Exposed plastic sheeting (e.g. visqueen) isn't allowed and neither is foam insulation (perhaps the new stuff is?).
Anyway, without a lot more evidence, I wouldn't sleep well with this stuff in the living space. Nice idea, but I think I'll give it a pass.
I looked at some of these comments and haven't seen anyone asking about VOCs. Volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are emitted as gases from certain solids or liquids, some of which may have short- and long-term adverse health effects. How much off-gassing takes place? What did the room smell like after installation? This may be okay in a garage, but I wouldn't want it in a room where people spend a lot of time. Volatile organic compounds in polyvinyl chloride (PVC) plastic products readily evaporate; as a result, hazardous gases enter the ecosystem, and cause cancer in humans and other animals. Something to consider.
Very important issue. Too much plastic material are used in our homes! Good old fashioned solid wood is the best for environmental concerns.
Yes, you correctly identify VOCs as a real issue with PVC. You named the issue that others did not. I covered off-gassing but did not name VOCs. Others talked about smells emitted from Vinyl Siding as an example. So we are glad you raised this issue in a more technical manner. Thanks
www.nj.gov/humanservices/opmrdd/health/pvc.html#:~:text=PVC%20contains%20dangerous%20chemical%20additives,posing%20unnecessary%20dangers%20to%20children.
@SgtJackRose I like how you think, give it time and you wont' have much to cover, even more so if you let the wood working bug 'get you'. Just kidding of course.
If a house burns down with this stuff in it, those clouds of smoke will be very toxic! Black clouds of death down wind..
Basically siding for indoors.
Exactly. This video should have been 30 second long.
Installs just like vinyl siding 😂
It's worse, overpriced plastic.....
That's exactly what I thought as soon as he said J channel 😂😭
This is all about companies making bigger profits, It has nothing to do with a better product or finish.
I was watching this, and after 5 minutes I was like, oh it's just like vinyl siding. But its installed inside. Insiding?! lmao.
Dude got free material for his entire garage and doesn't think this is an ad.
thinks people are stupid ? What about the pVC off gassing ?
It really comes down to whether he can be objective even though they game him the material. He seemed to do a thorough job of describing the pros and cons. It does give the appearance of a conflict of interest though.
FTC law dictates that you need to say the video contains a paid promotion unless you paid for the product 100% in full with no deals of any kind with the manufacturer.. Even if they just give you a discount/referral code. It doesn't matter if you "think" you can be unbiased. Test show time and time again that people think they can be unbiased but actually aren't.
I'm literally getting commission links so either he's wrong or hes lying
He followed the law perfectly, and told you the whole process of how he got the material. Do you really think he could do this channel if he didn’t have brands paying and giving products / materials? There’s no way! Adsense doesn’t give anywhere near enough money to run a channel. So, be thankful you have a him showing you this, or just choose to not watch it. If you don’t want to buy the weird plastic drywall, then don’t. Simple as that.
If you've ever looked at vinyl siding and thought "Man, I'd love to put that *inside* my home", this product is for you!
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That means cooking and heating registers will have to be outside, and smoking will have to be done as well outside..lol!
@@robvegart that was my instant thought.....funny
BUTT THE BUTT ENDS GOTTA SHOW! BUT IT WILL BE SEMI-HARDER TO TRAILER TRASH!
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Literally from their website:
*Trusscore Wall&Ceiling Board does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code.* To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly. Here are a couple of examples of fire-rated wall assemblies commonly used in building construction and their components:
Fire-Rated Garage Separation Wall: Fire-rated assembly using 5/8-inch Type X gypsum board designed to separate a residential garage from a living space.
Yeah, I wondered about this when it’s being installed over OSB. How is it better when there’s two layers of materials instead of just one?
Type X or C drywall is by no means 100-percent fireproof. Simply it is drywall that will stand up against flame longer than regular drywall.
Also, just because an area is covered in Type X or C drywall does not ensure fire safety for that area, since fire can still find other pathways, such as vents, doors, gaps, cracks, and unblocked stud wall assemblies.
If a conventional 1/2-inch thick sheet of drywall will stand up to 30 minutes of fire, then the added 1/8-inch found in the Type X or C drywall, along with its other properties, will double your margin of safety to 60 minutes. For this reason, fire-rated drywall is sometimes called one-hour fire wallboard.
1/2 drywall will give you 30 minutes. There’s no way trusscore even provides a few minutes under the same conditions. 1/2 drywall is an incredible way to slow fire spread.
30 minutes may not seem like much, but this is typically long enough to stay alive and get help (rescue or put the fire out) which is why fire departments around the country emphasize keeping the door shut when sleeping… it’s the most important thing you do in VEIS (vent, enter, ISOLATE - meaning shut the door and turn the room into a survivable space, search) which is one of the many tactics a fire department will use to save people.
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This doesn’t work with a trusscore wall. Insinuating they are the same is really dangerous.
The makers of DDT defended that, too! 🤔🙄
You cant just say "not sponsored content" when it IS sponsored content lol
Seems dangerous. We cant even use pvc pipe in certain HVAC installs because of the offgassing if it burns
And everything else in the house is ok if it burns😂
Absolutely. The stuff is lethal. That would fill the house with toxins in the event of a fire.
I was thinking that, the poor flame resistance, and the fact that it's PLASTIC. Recyclable or not, I don't like the idea of using plastic in my house. What if something happens and my house has to be torn down? Will the wreckers KNOW it's recyclable, or even what it is? There's a high chance that, whether I'm alive or not, when it is taken from the house through either wrecking, remodeling, or whatever, it'll end up in a landfill. Yes, that's where drywall ends up and drywall isn't recyclable, but drywall has worked for 65 years and we already have facilities in place to make it. Which brings up another point I thought of. Start-up for any business is so high now, and the market is already flooded with drywall, I doubt this will get off the ground more than it already has.
@@zackmarkham4240 You are speaking trueness, I think. It's stupid.
@@woozy607 It's what happens when it is heated.
The gasses from it may mean you can't even escape in a fire that you would normally escape.
It's the reason why certain materials are banned for use on ships.
Ive seen this product used for ceilings but there are some drawbacks. Drywall is an excellent sound and temperature insulator. It can deal with condensation and is excellent in fires. But best of all it's not polluting your home with toxic chemicals. Unfortunately all the good attributed of drywall cant be demonstrated by putting PVC panels all through your home. If you enjoy the feeing of living in a caravan or worksight shed. Go for it.
plus it is more plastic, PVC just nasty poison.. more plastics are not needed.. how about cellulose? PVC is poison
These are already more than enough reasons to keep using drywal. How about having to use specific types of paint for these panels ? And how to have a large seamless area with so many panels ? I think this will be a fluke.....
100% this! 1. Terrible insulation factor 2. No way it has the same 1hr fire rating as drywall. 3. No way it'll pass code for installation between shared walls. 4. Not good sound barrier. Even IF it's for garages only...never as good or safe as drywall! Fluke indeed! *Notice all the plywood you'll need to install this as well?*
@@Allbbrzhow do you do ceilings?
Had not thought of off gassing.
Your comment made me laugh though.
"If you want to live in a shed, go for it"
Hahahaha
Him: “I get nothing from this”
Also him: “They finished my garage out for free.”
At least he didn't only say it was "sent to me" like so many people who get free stuff. Basically not wanting to actually say they got anything for free. Amazon sends me things all the time, that doesn't mean it's free.
Yeah, finally: More plastic. And "PVC is recyclable" - maybe, in theory. But ultimately, it will end in a landfill or will be burned, releasing cancerogenic gases. There is a better alternative to drywall: Clay sheets. Made from clay with fibreglass net reinforcement. Clay can be recycled endlessly, even at home. And, due to its ability to control moisture, makes a fantastic inside climate.
I appreciate your comment and know that the petroleum industry has doubled down on maintaining its sales
85% of what you put into your recycle bin end up in landfill. Recycling is a scam.
Well the petroleum used to make the PVC came from under the ground so it's just returning to where it came from.
@@MAGAMANMay be true for the US
@@stephenshelton4267 Poly Vinal Chloride is one of the most toxic plastics in all stages of it's life cycle. Part of why PEX is used for water pipes now and PVC is only used for stuff like sewage and electrical conduits these days.
Not safe for internal walls. The toxic off gasing during a fire will take any breathing thing out quickly in a confined space. I'd never place that inside a living structure. Drywall does have some fire resistance.
There is also Type X sheetrock with additional fire resistance.
Why does everyone talk about the toxic gasses in a fire? Does anyone worry about all the other items in your home burning? Nearly everything is going to asphyxiate you in a fire. That's why you need to have working fire/smoke alarms and when they go off, get OUT of the HOUSE!
Yes, I said something similar. I think most foam, comfortable furniture, beds, etc., are a far greater source of toxic and easy to burn materials. Still would rather have sheet rock as it gives you more time against the fire and it is safer.@@rickcollins1825
@@fishy2939: Exactly 💯
Drywall not only offers some fire resistance, it also offers a much lower (orders of magnitude lower) fire-load than PVC. What a nightmare emvironmental hazard this would become if PVC paneling became the goto product for ilining the interior walls of homes. Things are already bad enough given how many homes are covered in vinyl siding a/k/a toxic synthetic plastics :'( PVC wall paneling is a huge step, in the wrong direction :'(
Drywall has a feature that this PVC wall does not. As an Ex-Fire Marshall, I'll tell you right up front, it won't stop or slow the spread of fire and is far more likely to feed the fire, endangering Firefighters and occupants everywhere it is used. Not to mention that PVC is a primary source of noxious fumes when it burns. It increases the likelihood of Firefighters and occupants getting poisoned by the emanating fumes. It's a serious deficit that should cause it to be banned from primary living spaces.
It's a cheap cop out.
It's used in China and it doesn't stand up well. It doesn't weather well, and it doesn't last. It's an unsafe junk product. I am also a Certified Quality Assurance Auditor for over 35 years.
@@jp-ty1vd If it burns... You'll care. But, It's your choice.
I meant that I would not finish my garage, leave the framing show, "who the fk cares".
@@jp-ty1vd OK, Got ya. That I get. 🙂
@@jp-ty1vd And why, if the guy already has the garage walls covered with wafer board, would he put this stuff over it?
@@jammin3858 I had to look up "wafer board" (: I don't know, maybe he's shilling for the manufacturer?
Can you put it over drywall?
I put some PVC panels in the bathroom because they're waterproof. The problem is, they become literal electro magnets for dirt.
I did the same. I did the tub/shower area about ten years ago. It yellowed.
@@Kewrock tried the hydrogen peroxide with uv light method of de yellowing plastic?
Good to know!
Really? Maybe you live in an area with extraordinarily low humidity. I installed some and have been very, very happy.
At least electromagnets let go when you cut the power, so this is worse. Just like the plastic surrounds for light switches.
This is basically a retread of Trusscore's marketing materials, as other commenters have said, PVC is a pretty dangerous material to work with and some insurance companies won't cover you if you have it installed as wall cladding. No attempt to test sound dampening or fire resistance, for example.
Who cares
@@bobbybanks77 pvc when it burns is literal war grade gas SUPER toxic
@@bobbybanks77 you obviously
PVC isn't legal where i live for construction use like this, because of fire risk (toxic fumes), I am also concerned about sound insulation of such a light product.
I can vouch the sound insulation is pretty good. Legality depends on your region
It's probably not "just PVC". Maybe just need to check codes and provide it's fire certification documentation??
Is it more or less sound proof? Curious for studio applications
@@LouisAlfieri-n2l what did you use to measure this? because physics disagrees with you. taking away mass will NEVER result in better sound insulation or isolation. they only way to legitimately sound proof a room is by adding mass.
Seems like a bad idea for many reasons, everything is plastic anymore and not good for us.
Can you install it inside a 40 ft container without using studs, screw right into the metal walls?
I can't believe that I willingly agreed to watch a 20 minute advertisement.
I got about 30 seconds in before I realised, then read the comments... seriously this guy's channel is a joke
I only made it about 2 minutes, after he said he didn't get paid or anything for this video and then 30 seconds later he says how they were "kind enough" to send him enough material to do his whole garage.
Just watch 30 seconds and stop.
I didn't even make 30 seconds
I was a minute in and saw your red flag. Thank you.
Imagine having pvc floors, walls and ceilings with air foam insulation and they all offgass voc into your airtight energy efficient home. They're literally trying to kill you.
VOC is so low in general you could sleep in a coffin of it and not be harmed.
@@SophiaAphrodite Even with all the cut (dusty and melted) ends everywhere ? Like when you lay a carpet.. probably not a bad idea to vent for a while until it gets down to that "VOC is so low" period. Yes, I know that drywall install leaves a tremendous mess.. worse than this stuff no doubt. lol
Trusscore is in compliance with low VOC standards. After much research, I used Trusscore to construct a 40x20x10 clean room for a medical product manufacturer, and not a single whiff of plastic. The stuff is good, but it definitely has limitations on where its best used (especially in a residence).
@@photog1529 These panels meet the California Department of Public Health 01350 standard for low-emitting materials. This compliance ensures better indoor environmental quality and healthier indoor spaces.
yaaaaa, I don't know about that. lol. @@SophiaAphrodite
pvc has a fairly low melting point so it will readily melt in a fire. Of more concern is that it will also combust (burn). The problem is with PVC is that it contains chlorine and as such when it burns it releases a range of toxic substances including hydrochloric acid and dioxins/furans and other organochlorides.
i approve of this comment
Another thing is it starts with P. You may have issues when trying to look this up.
It being an engineer substance i would hope that they design a fire resistant version in the future.
This might be of use in cement buildings with very high innate fire resistance - provided nothing flammable is used in the halls to prevent travel.
I do wonder if it has an hour or fire resistance that you would get using a 15mm fire-check board. (Which are very heavy!)
I'm sure that these panels are probably UPvC which has been used in window frames for years, and is
A) hard to light on fire
B) usually self extinguishing when source of fire removed. So doesn't really spread fire.
There are full scale fire tests done at BRe Cardington, and the upvc windows softened and the glass fell out! But they really didn't burn much at all.
So these panels could actually be quite good in fire.
It does look pretty good, at least until you scratch it.
@@CorporateZombi it has zero fire resistance
Will this work on ceilings?
"I'm not getting any money from the company" They just send me enough to do my garage for free.
Just $4000 dollars worth of material
@@cohenbeach8874 you can smell the petrochemical ceo's licking their chops at his 800 thousand plus followers
I got to read a few comments and so I won't waste my time and watch the rest of the videos. What a scammer lol.
Yeah, I caught that too. Any review done by someone who gets free stuff is totally invalid. The only valid review is done by someone who has to do the research, purchase the product on their own, anonymously to the manufacturer to ensure they are not be provided with product that was binned to be selected high quality product from the production run, and paid for it all with their own money. This review is BS because it was bought and paid for by the manufacturer.
@@jamesclaeys3192 Good luck with that, seems like 90 percent of youtubers weasel in some product placement constantly. Now they are basically just big long commercials. They are supposed to disclose it but rarely do.
I had something similar to that in the home I purchased recently. Ripped it out and replaced with driwall.
There were several reasons for this. Having seen the results after several buildings using it had been burned out and speaking to the firemen, they mentioned the extra heat over a normal fire as well as the toxic fumes. That however was not my major reasons for removing it - they were insulation related and appearance. This does not noise dampen as well as drywall. The rooms also appeared to have higher moisture content, so I am guessing it does not breathe well. The dehumidifier was taking out more than double the moisture before replacement. It also does not look as nice painted as drywall.
This right here is a rational reason
I could see it being a good solution for a shop or garage with it being more durable, but it would be tough to get a fully smooth surface for painting in a home or office setting, plus how well paint would actually stick long-term, as I imagine trying to paint PVC pipe and having it continually look good. With the air gap it has, I'd be curious if it handles better thermally than sheetrock (which would additively make it good for garages & outbuildings).
• Added thought: being lightweight, it might be good for custom/homemade van/RV builds for the interior wall, and easy to keep clean.
The whole purpose for drywall, and previously lath and plaster, is for fire protection. The asthetics wrought by its surface are actually secondary to its primary purpose. Even 1/2" DW provided significant fire protection and is very resistant to fire breakthrough. This is also the reason we use 5/8" Type X DW on the ceiling, because the flame jet is significantly more intense above than from the sides. PVC, as another commenter stated previously, has a low melting point and thus, and low flame point once vaporize. It must be remembered that, all things being equal, the typical modern furnished room, once lit, will progress to flashover in about 5 minutes. Flashover is when all combustible materials will ignited simultaneously, and the heat generated will be in the 1500F range. I cannot see this stuff meeting code specs at all and I would tend to advocate against its use, other than perhaps for exterior siding.
I pinned a comment with more info but Trusscore Wall & Ceiling Board has a "Class A" fire rating with a flame spread index of 10 and smoke developed index of 380 per ASTM E84. It's definitely not intended to replace Type-X or 5/8" drywall but is comparable to 1/2" drywall when it comes to both fire rating and sound transmission. It's always a good idea to double check everything you hear (including what I say) but I had a tough time finding any fire rating info for 1/2" drywall. The info I have comes from Trusscore itself.
100% seems like a horrible idea for anyone but the manufacturer.
1/2" type x has a 30min fire rating and 5/8 has a 1hr fire rating.
@@LRN2DIY Does not meet the requirements for fire resistance. "Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code. To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly."
No one tries to sell anything without compensation. Nice try though.
Sure it lasts supposedly 100 yrs but it is also expensive upfront and worse yet,
"If you still want to mount or fasten items directly to Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard, keep this advice in mind: When hanging an item directly on a Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard panel, items should never be directly fastened without back support." An alternative? Perhaps. Drywall replacement? No.
Oh, btw, "PVC is useless without the addition of many toxic additives, which can make the PVC product itself harmful to consumers. These chemicals can evaporate or leach out of PVC, posing health risks to children and consumers (off-gassing). The new car or shower curtain smell is that of chemicals off-gassing from the PVC."
"PVC is the most environmentally damaging plastic. The PVC lifecycle -- its production, use, and disposal -- results in the release of toxic, chlorine-based chemicals"
Oh and, "THE MANUFACTURER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS RELATED TO EXPANSION DUE TO. TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS. IF WIDE TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS EXIST". Some of us are aware that plastics can change shape with temperature changes.
Cool product though..
I worry about the gasses PVC gives off in fire. Drywall, being mostly gypsum which can give off small amounts of sulferous compounds, but is largely inert. in ordinary fires. PVC gives off significant amounts of chlorinate gasses. Mostly Hydrochloric acid in gaseous form which is VERY nasty stuff, as it becomes a very strong acid in your tissues and in any water around. FWIW HCL will extinguish a nearby fire ... but the heat is still there and ore HCl will be released until things cool off and it won't help if a fire is getting fuel and oxygen from somewhere else.
"That would look great in my living room" said no one, ever.
NIMH but if your in landlord tenant issue I'd certainly considering because there are always going to be a bad apple that likes to cause thousands of $$ of damage you got to put up drywall in an apartment. House. ETC. Bedrooms, bathrooms, living rooms, but yeah not the kitchen I'd stick to good ol drywall. In a rental remodel situation it certainly does look attractive.
100% 😂
@@brolydictcumberbatchmontou401 pvc is rather unhealthy. seems kinda evil to cheap out here
@@brolydictcumberbatchmontou401 A tenant would destroy this stuff in hours. It's very brittle and can't be repaired.
Where I live, pvc panels are used by some for interior ceilings, but insurance companies won't insure you because of its fire risks and toxic smoke (during) and residue risks after a fire.
I was just saying exactly the same thing, in Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 it's PVC ceiling and insurance won't accept it.
Can it be in a basement installed over cinder block?
1:49 No, PVC is not recyclable. Almost no plastics are recyclable. Of the six major plastic categories (there are thousands of variations, which contributes to the recycling problem) only PETE (type 1) and HDPE (type 2) are even remotely recyclable. Most of type 1 and 2 and almost all of the other types just end up being incinerated.
The types, for those curious:
1 polyethylene terephthalate (PETE) - commonly known as polyester
2 high density polyethylene (HDPE) - most single use plastic bags are made of this, it is kind of crinkly
3 polyvinyl chloride (PVC) - AKA vinyl, used a lot in construction (pipes, siding, flooring) and of course records
4 low density polyethylene (LDPE) - used a lot in packaging, it feels "softer" and more flexible than its high density counterpart (compare a shopping bag to a bread bag)
5 polypropylene (PP) - typically strong and has higher chemical resistance, most pill bottles will be made of this
6 polystyrene (PS) - when foamed it is styrofoam, also used a lot in unfoamed form for things like single serving sized pudding or yogurt cups (it molds well)
7 "wait I thought you said six" - some combination of the previous six, completely unrecyclable
Milk jugs and washing detergent bottles are made of HDPE, thin plastic bags are usually made of pe
All plastic is recyclable. It.can be recycled back to oil by thermal depolymerization. So-called recycling that is actually reusing plastic simply doesn't work.
PVC (polyvinyl chloride) is recyclable, but its recycling process is more complex compared to other plastics like PET or HDPE. PVC recycling involves several steps to ensure that the material is processed safely, as it contains chlorine and potentially hazardous additives. The recyclability of PVC also depends on the presence of recycling facilities equipped to handle it, as not all recycling centers accept PVC due to these complexities.
@@jamestyrer907 does thermal depolymerization work for thermoset plastics like epoxy?
@@jamestyrer907 Not back to oil, exactly, but to a variety of hydrocarbons of different molecular weights. It is also a very energy intensive process. So you end up spending a lot of effort sorting plastics, then a lot of energy depolymerizing them, and then have to do a lot of processing to get anything useful out of the resulting mix of liquids and gases. As far as I know, no one is doing it at scale because the cost - dollars and carbon emissions - is too high.
PVC is particularly difficult to work with because depolymerization of it creates highly corrosive hydrogen chloride.
Class A for fire spread and a smoke index of 380. It can't be used solely if a room requires fire resistance by code, still has to be put over type X drywall for certain applications to meet fire code
Class A is the same as drywall. And the firecode for interior walls for smoke index is anything under 450, here at least.
@rdizzy1 so, basically it can be used anywhere code doesn't call for a fire resistant barrier like garage to living space wall, again....depending where you're at
@@steeeeve86 Yeah, but I can't find any specs that show it being any worse than sheetrock drywall. (In terms of regulations.) They use nothing but painted drywall in my walls in my apartment.
Funny as well how most states' fire codes consider the garage to have lower requirements despite most homes having the garage attached to them. This should only be used in a structure that is separate from the house.
They put something like this on the façade of an apartment building in Spain...and a small fire turned the entire façade and then the building into an inferno. 12 people were killed and the building was made of concrete.
The fire happened in Valencia Spain on February 23. According to an article by the The Guardian, "Final death toll from Spanish tower block blaze is nine, say police",
Esther Puchades, an industrial engineer who once inspected the building, said the fire had spread so rapidly because the block, which was completed in 2009, was covered with highly combustible polyurethane cladding.
When the material is heated, “it is like plastic and it ignites”, she said. She said the fire was the first of its type in Spain but that others involving the material have been similarly destructive in the UK and China...
...The tragedy recalled the 2017 fire at the 24-storey Grenfell Tower in London, which killed 72 people after it spread rapidly because of highly combustible cladding on the block’s exterior walls. A public inquiry has yet to publish its final report.
😢 So sad!
That was my first thought, that this might be quite flammable.
Yikes...it must have been PVC like this stuff.
@@brian_castro The material on that building is not the same at all. The cladding on that tower and in spain as well were polyurethane coating, PVC is not polyurethane. And even polyurethane can be made to be fire resistant (you add other ingredients into it). Some firestops are made of polyurethane for instance, even in nuclear reactor buildings, because they can be made very fire resistant.
@@brian_castro WHAT ? AFTER Grenfell Tower !!
Can you instal this over existing drywall ? Does it have any insulating properties ? Two of the walls (and the door) in my garage are not considered outer walls and I'm sure they're not insulated.
Can you put this on a Ceiling?
I'm a drywall finisher with over 20 years experience who believes it's a sacred trade as it has given me a life, however, unlike people I read in the comments, I believe drywall as a whole, is a very expensive material when you think of it as a finished product, including the labor and materials for the 4 steps it takes too become a wall , from installing sheet rock panels, all the way to paint, it's a lot of money and a very weak/ easily damaged product, I also like modern looks and the smoother than silk look in this panels you are showing is great , so, I wouldn't throw too much shade at a product of this nature, however, if I were to get technical I'd have some things to point out as a "wall expert"
1. Just because a product is slick and shiny with a flat and smooth look, doesn't mean that your framing is a flush and square surface, thus, the joints are potentially going to look cheap unless perfectly assessed as they could warp, stick out at the seems/ joints, have humps, etc
2. The joints, even if perfectly aligned and flush against each other, are not for everyone, its a specific look that can be great but it's equivalent to a cabin look, for cabin lovers, you know, with big log walls,real or faux, it's not for everyone, I hate that look, lol, in actual city/ urban/ suburban homes most people want fully smooth walls that make the whole Frankenstein become a 1 single peace wall with no stops aside from inside angles, throughout the whole house
3. Just because it's a more durable product doesn't mean it won't get dingy and nicked over time, in high traffic areas that are also highly visible, doubt a little bit of sanding fixes the issue on a plastic surface
4. Saying it's a finished product is a bit of a stretch if only 2 colors are available and if the cuts around outlets, switches, wall lamps, doors, windows, etc aren't prefab, there's always going to be mistakes when calculating where pipes and the above mentioned are, within a given panel, those mistakes can't always be fixed with an over sized cover plate, having to replace a whole sheet every time that happens renders the material very problematic and cost wise ,very expensive ,when compared to how local and small of a problem something of that nature is for drywall
The burning issue, maybe another thing to add, but I don't think much of it, homes are toxic enough as they are today, people going crazy here, clearly don't realize what's in and on their walls, specially the new ones with full spray foam or Styrofoam locking blocks all the different adhesives, paints, etc, if this houses burn, there ain't nothing good to go inhale in there , in between all this materials no house can be used as aromatherapy while burning, so get that out of your mind and be ready to run when it happens
A fair reasonable and honest assessment. Thank you.
I agree that we should've come up with something better than drywall by now, but this ain't it.
Exactly. It's always such a relief to know it's "only" drywall burning. "No toxic fumes, everyone!" as the place goes up in black smoke anyway.
I wouldn't want to have rescue personnel afraid to enter the burning house an save my family until the proper breathing equipment has arrived.
ya it is a shortcut to get money to a gypsum company intead of the skills of lathe and plaster which can be made by hand....
I can't believe this even a serious pitch. Can't believe I watched this as far as I did. As another said in this commentary...This will never replace drywall.
I'm not going to lie dry wall looks better too. You can do a lot of angles and mud is more moldable than plastic. The only place this stuff can be is in spaceship halls or high impact hallways.
Was just going to write the exact same thing but you beat me to it.
Yea, maybe this will replace drywall in the garage, but that's about it
However strong it is if you hit it with a hammer that's it whereas you can patch up dry wall.
Idk I think this has a great place in low income apartments being so damage resistant
Can you imagine the vapors in there during a hot 100+ degree day? All that pvc warming up...
Literally from their website:
Trusscore Wall&Ceiling Board does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code. To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly. Here are a couple of examples of fire-rated wall assemblies commonly used in building construction and their components:
Fire-Rated Garage Separation Wall: Fire-rated assembly using 5/8-inch Type X gypsum board designed to separate a residential garage from a living space.
@@basillah7650 And that just upped the price right there again... good product for limited utility application use in an open air environment... like garages and car wash, laundry room...
@@basillah7650 yes but i would bet that is because the code specifies materials rather than just ratings
Not surprising since PVC is one of the most polluting substance to manufacture. I won't even buy PVC shower curtains.
@@beartankoperator7950 I don't know the USian system (or, more likely, 50 systems, 1 per sub-country ; if not 1 per municipality), but on this side of the world, "codes" are more often "goal-setting" rather than "(material) prescriptive". If the properties are such that fume generation, flame transmission, etc are adequately low, you should get approval. But it'll take some test cases first. Which I'm sure TrussCore Inc are working on.
One issue I have is that the results will probably be very different for the material oriented vertically versus horizontally. But that'll be for them to address in seeking national (or pan-European) approvals.
Is this material fire resistant and code-compliant?
PVC oxidizes and over time, those panels will yellow and become brittle. The UV protectant they put in the PVC off gasses as it oxidizes and breaks down which accelerates the breakdown. If there is any natural light where this is installed, it will yellow and become roughly textured. You would absolutely need to paint it to allow for a long useful life span.
Probably why they only offer white and light grey options. It's almost like surfaces generally need protectant for long term usage.
so if you paint it does that change the coloring over time? He did say they used an exterior paint which should give it more protection
@@rangerrick2246 vinyl is hard to paint
@@sfuchs oh no how scary let's just leave everything to the trained professionals
Why is everything expensive now?
@@rangerrick2246no if you paint the material, it will prevent the oxidation if the coating blocks the uv light. most thick coatings of paint will do that.vinyl that is painted can't exactly spend time outside or it'll warp from the sun and heat.
the paint does however also change over time it often gets darker if it's light or lighter if it's dark.
PVC has a huge coefficient of expansion compared to drywall. Where uneven heating occurs, I wonder if buckling will be an issue. Another thing we do'nt need is more plastic in the landfill.
I noticed you are fastening this stuff to chipboard; that may or may not have insulation behind it instead of it spanning studs. Is this intended to replace drywall or just another wall covering?
How well does it wear over time? How safe is it in the case of fire? If it were used like drywall and spanned the studs with insulation behind it; how well will it hold up to impact such as a baseball of a golf swing? How long does it take before it goes brittle and start chipping and flaking? It seems that one would have to install a backing ( chipboard, particle board or some type of sheet wood) for it to be strong enough to resist impacts; is there more to it than what's being told? Inquiring minds want to know!!
What are the insulating (thermal) properties?
It's an Ad hidden in the form of a project. He gets free stuff, they get an Ad.
One hand washes the other...
Thank you, 21 minutes saved!
The only good thing about the channel is how impressively good he is at making me click on his videos - they are like clickbait v2.0 - the titles don't SOUND really obviously clickbaity and the subject interests me and so I often click before remembering this guy is a joke. I wish it were possible to block channels on youtube.
Yep, this is becoming more and more common on youtube. Advertisment-as-content. Gross.
Did you watch it? I think he addressed this concern quite thoroughly.
I chuckled when you showed the “professional” pitcher throwing 71 mph. 😂
Once you paid him he's a "PRO".
A real test is give a guy named Kyle 2 monsters and tell him his Subaru is slow and lock him in a room..
It'll be summer in a couple monsters.@@4therush
No Doubt the Real Big League pitcher throwing 90 MPH was blowing right through it.
My 13 yr old throws 71 mph
PVC should not be inside your house in large quantities. "One of the most common toxic additives is Di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), a phthalate that is a suspected carcinogen and reproductive toxicant readily found in numerous PVC products."
and what of chlorine gas?
I just asked about this and saw your comment, so I edited my comment. Do these chemicals off-gas normally or is that something you'd only have to worry about in a fire?
What kind of insulation do you use with it? Does water get behind it? Is Trusscore a vapor barrier?
I was sold until you came to the price. $4k for a 20'x20' room?! Insane. Drywall is here to stay. Not to mention the toxic smoke others have pointed out.
Add to that cost the price of covering every wall with plywood that is the backing for this product. The costs will be astronomical.
the price is no problem when every customer does a youtube ad that is 20 minutes! ;)
4K? Wtf? I didn't watch the whole video but thought about installing these in my detached garage because it's old and has some moisture issues but 4k it's just too much.
Drywall=$10 for a 4'×8' lol
I was thinking the same until I looked up what's available. HomeDepot is selling it for $322 for a box of 8. Cool. Then I noticed that the panels are only 16" wide, not 48". So that box covers the same as 2.6 sheets of sheet rock that sells for ~$11/sheet. So that comes to $120 for same 4x8 coverage . While the ease of installation is a good thing, Order of magnitue in price? Nope.
First thing I noticed was holy crap your entire garage has plywood over the studs already?
It’s osb/chipboard. It’s cheap AF and great for sheds/garages..
@@astronemir Maybe cheap in 2019. This decade its like $50/sheet still
Noticed that as well, thought was an American thing. Happy that is not the norm.
Great product. I was always wondering how to get the walls in my house to look like a double-wide trailer.
by double-wide trailer you mean a super high-end finish only the ultra elites can ever dream of?
@@jcschwarb Nope, I believe he means "Looks like a bleached dog turd."
@@jcschwarb No, more like smeared and bleached dog turd
FINALLY plastic walls. We can now eat our plastic rice and ice cream with peace of mind.
Can this be installed right on 2x4s at 16 center without sheathing? You sheathed the garage interior first .
Can't easily be cut and shaped like drywall. Holes cut into it (e.g. for electrical receptacles) can't easily be patched like drywall. It's PVC, so when it burns it'll produce toxic smoke, unlike drywall.
Yeah, nah, this isn't a "drywall killer". It's just vinyl siding for use indoors, and who wants that?
you have to put up particle board first which is wood lol this defeats the purpose of less work..... failed product
it can easily be patched with a plastic sheet and pvc glue
I think that by "drywall killer" he means that in a fire, PVC drywall will kill you.
Yea this seems really not that appealing. How are you going to get nice clean patches like you can with drywall + mud? Seems like a nightmare, not to mention all the other issues
@@bnb7094 At least someone can't break into your garage with a utility knife
It wasn't mentioned but all the walls are shown installed over plywood. 5/8" plywood sheets add to the weight (55lbs for osb) along with 20-50$ per sheet. That will add significant work to the DIY in which some might not be able to transport or lift that weight. It also adds to the cost and time. Maybe it was addressed and I missed him talking about it but that stood out quickly in my eyes when he showed installations. It also changes durability with plywood behind it verses straight to the studs.
I think it was touched on before the toxic qualities to PVC burning. Since most deaths in house fires are from smoke inhalation this would just add to that toxic nature.
Seems like a cool product for possibly water proofing the walls of a garage. I've never been a fan of drywall in a garage.
I think the plywood you saw was the inside of the osb from the outside wall, under the siding. But I could be wrong.
Looking for this comment. This is very important. No one wants to have to sheath a wall just to put paneling up. Drywall is just the sheathing part, basically.
@MckIdyll I must have missed it what was the time frame?
@@hairmasterbarry It wasn't said aloud, but there's text on the screen at 8:01. There's also video of installing it directly to studs at 18:15.
@@ThePlaidPhantomthanks for observing that. He should have mentioned that aloud, though, since it’s a crucial point. And yes, installation video at 18:15 shows them vertically directly over the studs.
If you mount it to studs horizontally does it bow(in or out)? If you mount it vertically how do you secure it to studs on 16 inch centers? How do you mount a heavy cabinet to it if the mounting holes do not fall on the studs?
I can purchase 5/8" 4' x 10' fire resistant drywall sheets for $19 each. A 20' x 20' garage would use 20 sheets, side by side for all four sides (no door). Your material cost would be $380.00. You would still need mud, tape, and screws. Even with all the other materials that is a long way from $4000. My drywall finishing skills are bad, but its a garage, they will suffice.
What happens when it burns? Aren't the fumes toxic?
Are you planning on staying in the house while it is burning?
@@stevem1081 Moron.
@@stevem1081 No one plans on staying in the house while it is burning. A burning house Laughs at your insignificant plans!
@@stevem1081 Tell that to the firefighters in your town.
@@SalemHarbor And all the other plastic containers, vinyl coating on wires, carpet, and dozens of other things arn't toxic?(clothes basket, milk jug, trash can, clock radio, TV, vinyl mini blinds, shower curtain, baby powder jug, peanut butter jar, shampoo bottle, I could go on and list probably hundreds of other plastic items in the house)
Soooooo its basically siding.
It's all about what standards it meets and what it's rated for.
I was wondering about using it on exterior. He didn't actually talk about that...
I woul dlove to do the outside of my barn and then paint it red again.
I’ll stick with repairable drywall.
Caulk a hole? Can you sand it? It will look like a pre-manufactured home, especially with the necessary trim for installation.
In-siding*
Even uses the same J channels at the edges.
But I noticed that you had to have a backing for the vinyl material which looks like OSB. So what’s the point of putting vinyl over OSB when you already have the OSB.?
I might install this in my home, dress up in a beer bottle suit and pretend I’m a beer inside an ice box
I noticed you installed this on a flat OSB wall. Is it just a wall covering? Traditional drywall adds rigidity between the studs. Does this product just flop in and out between the studs if you apply pressure against the finished wall?
rigidity from drywall, what you talking about willis! Someone lied to you
So you’re telling me that finished drywall is just soft to the touch? No rigidity between studs? Your FOS!
@@EricBUCHHOLZ-dk8ey I guess you didn't read the on-screen text at 8:05 .
😂😂😂😂 I can’t stop laughing! This is just hilarious and you kept it straight face through the whole thing!
I feel like in a fire this would just melt around you. This might be something I would use inside my trailer.
I’m not sure anti microbial is the same as mold resistant. Plus, I see more mold on PVC trim and vinyl siding than wood any day of the week. Thanks for all of your input and research.
Correct- he showed a video of power washing mold off of it- so while it may get mold thats obviously eaier to clean than drywall.
“I have ‘basically’ nothing to gain from this and I’m not getting paid”
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“Btw, They gave me enough of this material to redo my entire garage”
Now I’m not suggesting you’re a bad person for taking their gifts, just maybe tone it down with the “I gain nothing from this”, because it seems an incentive was definitely there.
They’re not paying me a commission for this video, but they ARE sending me whatever I need to make a video and talk about it.
semantics
*COME. ON. MAN.*
Absolutely - this is the cess-pit side of youtube, it really is
Yeah, looking at the comments I bet he wants to take this one down, but he can't or else he'd have to send his garage back 😂
What about fire resistance? Code requirements? What kind of surfaces are acceptable or best for installation - stud wall, plywood/wafer board, drywall?
Interesting, why shall you use drywall if you put it on particle board? What about increased thickness of walls and reducing the internal space?
I see that many people already mention that this is ok for garage but this will not replace drywall for interior. It will look very cheap, this is basically the same as vinyl exterior siding.
looks cheap but costs about 4 times as much
Plastic? Really? Because we dont have enough plastic everywhere...
Yeah.. and imagine the microplastic waste created from every cut.. I hear you.
@@ironpirate8 That microplastic waste? Straight to the balls.
@@holzmann8443 Plastic fascia, cladding, soffits, gutters, and now this. It's time to boycott this litter. I do construction work and I think I'm going to refuse to fit these kind of plastics in future.
If we could make these with recycled plastic? Talk about a win
Not only plastic but pvc
I like how he glosses right over fire rating
he says it's the same as drywall.... not something I think has much testing.
Class A for fire spread and a smoke index of 380. It can't be used solely if a room requires fire resistance by code, still has to ne put over type X drywall for certain applications to meet fire code
Walls would also have to be damn straight as every in or out would show with the panel lines. No thanks in my book.@@steeeeve86
I like how he's not being pay'd, yet he's advertising. lol
@fishy2939 oh I'm totally in agreement with you. I just was quoting the guy.
Can it be used in the house instead of drywall? Also how does it hold up to mold . .? like in flood conditions
00:36 it also makes the fumes from the fire about 10,000x worse
Do you think it's a health risk? Considering plastics are known to be a peoblem, would this pptentially add to things?
This, at least, isn't meant to be disposable.
Non disposable plastics seem fine to me, particularly when they can be recycled, and if we regulated disposable plastics so that we only used biodegradable bioplastics we wouldn't have to have a silly debate where some people want us to use those horrible paper straws that they wrap in plastic during shipping so humidity doesn't kill them.
The microplastics problem is at least 90% caused by Teflon though.
Pvc has high concentrations of phalates as far as I know.
@MarkTrades__ yes, I think there's more negatives to plastic than just recycling or not. It seems to affect the hormones and increase risk of cancer.
@@AberrantArt 100% it's all bad tho. That's life. Back when metal ran certain cities in America you can find many examples of towns falling ill due to the outputs of various industries. I watch a vid on yt about some town where because it was in a valley with a big factory (can't recall the type) all it took was certain seasonal conditions and low wind and the smoke from the factory settled in the town instead of blowing away & ppl were sick & dying from a mystery fog.
@@TheGrinningViking lol paper straws have to be some of the dumbest woke crap.
Can you putnit over sheetrock?
How does the material work when trying to affix something to the wall? For example, if someone wanted to hang a picture on their wall - how would they do that, and would they be able to repair the hole at a later date?
8:43
Any plaster board fixing which is designed to bite into the board won't work with this stuff. The only chance you've got in fixing something to the surface is to use spring/butterfly toggles if there's enough void space behind. But you won't be able to fix anything heavy, as this stuff will simply crush when tightning the toggle. Other than that, install a timber pattress in advance if you know where things are going before installation.
This stuffs not designed to replace plasterboard at all. It bends for a start, so you would have bendy walls in between the timber studs!!!
Its designed to clad bathroom/shower walls instead of tiling and grouting, but it still requires a plaster board or cement board substrate to adhere it to.
Ever hear of Command Strips?
picture rails are how people often hang art on plaster walls what are easily cracked. Just like the art galleries it works well. Picture rails have been in use for centuries.
And can a renter fill nail holes with toothpaste to skate through a move-out inspection?
Trusscore probably has a small niche it can fill, but I doubt it will replace drywall in the majority of homes. It has too much of the cheap look that vinyl siding has which is the same reason vinyl siding hasn't replaced most other forms of siding.
Fire fighter nightmare. In my county, a fire stop is required between the attached garage and living space.
I think it’s a cool concept. I would use it for my garage.
The Grenfell Tower block fire in 2017 showed what plastic walls do to a building. The tower had the "safer" PE as opposed to PVC (which releases toxic fumes), but it helped the fire spread quickly. 72 died.
@user-uk8tl3xy9e Yep, and it was still dangerous.
Basically vinyl siding for the interior. Lighter and easier than drywall, but likely little or no fire protection despite the claim. Likely would not meet code. Sounds like the manufactures claims fire protection, but I simply don't believe it. Plastic is made from petroleum and not only is flammable, but gives off toxic fumes when it burns. If they added chemicals to reduced flammability, the fumes could even be more toxic. Impact protection is nice, but no one throws fast balls in my garage and I have no garage drywall damage after 60 years.
Something like this would be good to top the 5/8 drywall in my carport, and perfect if it was just a flat sheet with no hollow core. No mold, dirt daubers could be pressure washed, and still a commercial fire rating.
@@Bob_AdkinsGreat point. Now that I think about, it would be great in the bottom foot of wall of a structure that is subject to flooding. Drywall doesn't do well with flooding!
everything in your house gives off toxic fumes when it burns....fyi
@davebenson8547
I don’t think you understand what toxic means. Burning wood and paper gives off smoke that you don’t want to breathe but it doesn’t make them toxic.
@@davebenson8547
> everything in your house gives off toxic fumes when it burns....fyi
If I had a fire in my house and I was still inside by the time plaster, brick, and concrete blocks were burning and giving off toxic fumes I would be long burned to a crisp.
Since it is PVC, will it be too toxic for a firefighter to extinguish it?
Absolutely horrible, I'd be the first one down at city hall to get it banned.
We're restoring a 100+ year old house. I found the original lattice and larger boards under the drywall. Labor aside, because we'll be working on this for years, I was thinking of going back to plaster. Thoughts?
The title "It's been a good run, drywall" is a premature statement or click & bait attempt. After seeing your video, I'm not sure if this product has more pros than cons and there are several attributes & variables that seem misleading. One of the ones that stuck out the most is "Fire rating". With what little I know, PVC (Polyvinyl Chloride) is certainly more flammable than Drywall (Pressed Gypsum), unless chemical additives are introduced to improve on the fire retardant properties. PVC also contains dangerous chemical additives including phthalates, lead, cadmium, and/or organotins, which can be toxic specially when it burns. These toxic additives can also leach out or evaporate into the air over time, posing unnecessary dangers to children (as posted by New Jersey's Dept. Of Human Services). 100% PVC is not inherently harmful to humans, but it is also very hard and brittle, so it’s not a particularly useful material to anyone. It is when phthalates & Bisphenol-A (BPA) are added so it can be an useful material. With this set aside... I could realistically only consider the use of this product in a garage as shown or an industrial environment, based on its gaps & seams which obviously are not appropriate for good insulation when used with trusses vs. Wooden panels for backing. Drywall although labor intensive, will have a better end result in aesthetics, insulation and long term practicality, since it can easily be patched/repaired. As for the modularity of adding paneling slats, facilitating mounts & hardware. This is already an option commonly installed on top of the drywall. I don't want to come accross as I'm bashing on your video and product, I just tried to just post some facts and personal perspectives. Cheers 🤙....
I'd say the $3.77 per square foot cost is going to keep most people from using it.
1. Does the Trusscore take wallpaper well?
2. How well does it seal re insulation and blocking air movement/heat leaking?
3. To repair damage, would it come down to panel replacement (as in siding as an analogy)?
Thanks for the informative video.
No fire protection, toxic, and significantly more expensive. This is just an advertisement disguised as a video.
prepare for the future babe
Drywall is easy, fraud guy
Exactly! And gives you an ugly plastic look as a bonus. I have no idea why anyone would want to use this ugly stuff.
We need to avoid using plastics and poly products as much as possible everywhere! As it breaks down we end up breathing the micro plastics in, it ends up in our soil and water and is a major concern all over the world as we are seeing levels rising and health effects now. Stick to old fashioned drywall!
Did you not watch the video, everything you just said is false.
Can it be fixed directly to studs or is a substrate required?
In this scenario, there appears to be sheathing covering the wall studs already, then they cover the sheathing with Trusscore. With drywall, there is no sheathing required. You cover it once, and it's done. Furthermore, drywall offers a fire break which is often required by code between the garage and living quarters.
We would told that in the video. He wrote he added OSB but did not need to do so.
We use a similar product in the carwashes we build due to its water resistance and ability to be easily cleaned. the panel we use is actually manufactured in the united states and costs less than this panel. It is virtually identical to this product. A very nice feature of this is how quickly it can be installed. One thing I did notice in the video is that in the type of commercial installations I have seen it is normally hung vertically and not horizontally. There is also a selection of colors available allowing for decorative stripes, accents or to match branding at locations. A wide range of trim and molding is also available, think wainscot or chair rail.
What is the name of the product you use?
My buddy put the product you mentioned in his car wash. Works great for a wet environment.
EZ Liner or Extrutech?@@CYBERSTORM101X
Any insulation value? When using drywall it’s part of the air seal.
This is my question as well.
Drrywall offers almost no insulation value, so irrelevant point. This would seal better and be more water proof than sheetrock (just like on the outside of your house)
@@srobeck77Bullshit.
@@srobeck77He said "AIR SEAL"
@@wayjamus2775 its nothing to do with an "air seal". Thats why you still need a plastic vapor barrier with sheetrock.
Is it fire resistant like the dry wall or it is burning as a torch when exposed to fire???
They've been using these here in South America for at least 10 years. They come in a million different colors and textures printed on them like marbel, granite, and wood grains. I really like how they look when used as ceilings. I was going to buy some to make a box to place a cat liter box inside of it and have it vent outside.
Or clean the litter box regularly 😅
We use this in UK mostly on bathroom cielings but it’s becoming more available for wetwall replacement but it so easily broken dented and fades quickly when in sunlight when cutting.. i only use it for ceilings but you can easily damage it with your hands trying to get T+G together because they always start to creep and end up with a slight gap appearing so its must warp slightly aswell.. its not the best for walls but for ceilings that are never fallen into or punched ect its great
Do you use the same product as this? (just asking since they show it being hit...) But good point about sagging! I'm super curious now if it may sag if installed horizontally?? Also, how will those horizontal gaps be about collecting dust and dirt?! More I think about it, maybe installing it vertically would be best for multiple reasons??
It appears to be pretty dent, punch, and break resistant in the video demonstration. I think you are using something different.
If it is like vinyl siding, then it will become more brittle with age.
Fiberglass would be more resilient, but obviously more costly to cover walls. I will not use this pvc indoors.
My first concern was fire, I know that pvc burns with toxic fumes, for me that would be a no sale.
I saw this being screwed on to plywood - that is not what I have in my garage - dry wall is put directly onto the wood studs - so there is an extra cost for this ? or can we just put this on wood studs directly without plywood below ?