For those asking about Suzuki, they aren’t sending bikes for shootouts anymore and as we all know haven’t changed in a long time. It’s a great bike for weekend warriors and can be found for very affordable prices. As a racer, there are better options but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad bike.
@@BAYAREAMX Suzuki may opt out of sending a bike, but that shouldn’t stop a leading publication from including every main manufacture in the test. They can easily get a bike to test.
@@MegaStreet11 sure but why include a manufacture that doesn’t want to participate and why include a bike that’s 10 years old? There is no publication on earth that’s gonna rate it higher than last place.
@@BAYAREAMX include it because readers want to hear about it, hence all the comments about why they didn’t include it. Also that iteration came out in 18 and the Kawasaki is almost as old. The Yamaha would have been BNG for the same amount of time had they not came out with a new version in 23. It’s lazy not to include it.
Horse powers from 52 to 54. Torque from 32 to 35. Weight from 234lbs to 245 lbs. Dang all these bikes are so close in all the numbers all that matters is what feels good to you.
It's cool to know but it's not important unless you are leaving it stock.. a flat tq curve is more important than a split second peak hp or torque numbers, even the way the bike feels just sitting on it is more important than peak numbers
@@jamessnook602 I disagree. I think it's really important for me as buyer to ''KNOW'' how the bike handles, How much power it has and what the dyno looks like. Non of that is shown in todays bikes. Back in the early 80's they allways told you the hp numbers and left a pic of the dyno for you so ''YOU KNEW'' if that bike was something for you. Maybe you want a bike with more bottom end power, Maybe mid or top? You can't tell that today. And don't give me the bullshit ''Well every bike is the same today''. They are not.
Kawis are very fun to ride. But terrible to own. They dismantle themselves within months. Engine life is minimal. Gear box is apparently made out of plastic. And expensive to repair. I wouldn't buy a Kawasaki. Yamaha, Gas Gas or KTM are the smart choices.
@@chalo212 I'm not seeing that. I put around 150 hard hours on my 22 model before getting a fresh one. It was still going great. Just pulled the head of my new one at 30hrs. To check it and port/ polish the head. It still has 95% of the hone marks in the cylinder. Last six hrs we put on that thing was hard-core dune riding too. Gonna throw some new rings on it and keep on keeping on. Probably won't pull it back apart till 80hrs. Maintenence wins most of the time.
Polished head. Xtrig clamps. Computer tuned. Full fmf exhaust. It runs good. The stock showa forks were great even before the clamps. Sprung and valved for my weight with the clamps they are dang smooth.
MXA says '23 KTM 450SXF makes 59.4hp of usable smooth power. Can't beat new Gen KTMs in my opinion! Tons usable power & engines that last 150hrs under rave conditions.
If there was a way to give 100x thumbs up I would simply because no shitty loud music was added to this video. Other MX test magazines please take note.
Crazy that the Suzuki isn't on here, meanwhile Roczen just finished 4th and a 5th on it...and almost podium'd on it. Which he will soon ! Says a lot about the rider !
Finally someone does a real shootout with testing different maps on the bikes! Also not picking a bike cause you ride it as your daily bike like others say.. good reviews!
Great point . This is how a REAL shootout should be done. This shootout took into consideration the superiority of Yamaha's MAP system and how easy it is to adjust .
@@herbcanter2114 ya funny vital mx last year had the Kawasaki edging out the Yamaha by 1 vote because one guy said his brother use to race Kawasaki so he picked it! Then proceeds this year to say how much better the Yamaha is this year over last years model to only give it 2nd again when Kawasaki didn’t make any changes at all.. completely stupid thinking..🤣
@@mxr248 The new 2023 YZ450F even in stock form has more power than the new 2023 KXSR , it has full KYB suspension and a superior mapping system that's handlebar mounted (Kawi doesn't even have a handlebar mounted system yet) and the stock YZ450F is THOUSANDS cheaper and Vital and Swap Moto STILL vote KX . Those two are just not being honest at all . Dirt rider is honest .
@@herbcanter2114 exactly my thoughts to.. Mosiman is another one.. always makes crap up about the Yamaha and always picks KTM even when they handle like crap. Even the year all the pros had issues he says it’s so much better than all other bikes and even Yamaha when clearly it’s been a great bike for quite sometime. They even pick one bike that only does one really good thing over the Yamaha that many have said it’s good on many points. 🤷♂️
A cable clutch dirt bike revving to the moon to get it's power with the lowest tank capacity, lowest torque and one of the highest weights took first place. Then they tried to claim the exceedingly high revs have no cost to durability.. I guess they're measuring durability based on professional racing performance where motors get rebuilt every 10 hours or less. Otherwise it's definitely not true for the average consumer
They have had a million dollar lawsuit from many people getting killed in their cars and they haven’t had the money to afford a new bike so the plan is there won’t be a new bike for 2024 BUT there will be a 2024.5 factory edition that will be updated and have electric start and I’m guessing the stock 2025 will have those changes
Most riders left fork height stock at 7mm. However, a few lowered to 5mm and one even to 2.5mm. Plenty of room to gain some stability if that's what you're looking for. Thank you for tuning in! 👍
@ClarkStar866 thx, Just rode mine stock, i was at 103 7mm but i think I'll go to 5mm. Little sketchy sometimes in fast areas with breaking bumps or rutts. But was just my first day, break in and on a sand track that i don't know.
Kawi is proven to be good, Yamaha hasn’t had much time to have been proven a good bike, but if you are just getting back into riding, I’d look at Suzukis, they are kick start but you won’t have to worry about the hassle of a battery and they are cheap
they are giving away the gas gas right now because if the old style frame I assume ..I know someone who just got a new one for $7500..if your looking for a new 450 look into the gas gas
Why? Why? Why does Yamaha keep ignoring the 300cc two stroke enduro market?! Just bought a Beta 300RR to complement my Yamaha WR 450. I would have preferred to have another Yammie but nooooo. They could easily sell a 300 2T in droves.
Yamaha is known for example in the jet ski world to follow behind the innovators like seadoo. So with that said the 300 will not happen in my opinion. But I do believe one day you will have a fuel injected 2 stoke 250 with electric start like the new KTM bikes. 2 to 3 more years if the economy does not collapse first.
@@iAmUrTeti It’s not the carb it’s the gas my boy and you have to change jetting for different elevations etc . The ethanol in gas wreaks havoc on carbs and they can get clogged up in as little as two to three months . Then you have to do a full carb clean just to ride it.
@@aydenrich262 what a lazy bullshit comment. They are not hard to get. You just need to order them. Parts come in with a couple weeks. Most dealerships have parts on hand. Disappointing comment
Thanks for puting the wet weight of all bikes. I hate when ktm compare there weight without fuel, like we ride without it.
For those asking about Suzuki, they aren’t sending bikes for shootouts anymore and as we all know haven’t changed in a long time. It’s a great bike for weekend warriors and can be found for very affordable prices. As a racer, there are better options but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad bike.
Kawasaki has rolled out BNG for the last few years, didn't stop them from testing it. If Suzuki doesn't send the bike, go get it.
@@MegaStreet11 that’s not how it works. Suzuki has opted out of the shootouts.
@@BAYAREAMX Suzuki may opt out of sending a bike, but that shouldn’t stop a leading publication from including every main manufacture in the test. They can easily get a bike to test.
@@MegaStreet11 sure but why include a manufacture that doesn’t want to participate and why include a bike that’s 10 years old? There is no publication on earth that’s gonna rate it higher than last place.
@@BAYAREAMX include it because readers want to hear about it, hence all the comments about why they didn’t include it. Also that iteration came out in 18 and the Kawasaki is almost as old. The Yamaha would have been BNG for the same amount of time had they not came out with a new version in 23. It’s lazy not to include it.
Horse powers from 52 to 54. Torque from 32 to 35. Weight from 234lbs to 245 lbs. Dang all these bikes are so close in all the numbers all that matters is what feels good to you.
KTM for the win! Best built bike. Fastest. 💯-NY
You're the only channel that actually puts out rwhp and torque numbers. Everyone else is like ''Nah it's not important''
LIKE YES IT IS!
It's cool to know but it's not important unless you are leaving it stock.. a flat tq curve is more important than a split second peak hp or torque numbers, even the way the bike feels just sitting on it is more important than peak numbers
@@jamessnook602 I disagree. I think it's really important for me as buyer to ''KNOW'' how the bike handles, How much power it has and what the dyno looks like.
Non of that is shown in todays bikes. Back in the early 80's they allways told you the hp numbers and left a pic of the dyno for you so ''YOU KNEW'' if that bike was something for you. Maybe you want a bike with more bottom end power, Maybe mid or top?
You can't tell that today. And don't give me the bullshit ''Well every bike is the same today''. They are not.
Still amazed the Kawi keeps finishing so high. That SR must be pretty amazing.
Mine is set up like the sr. It is pretty dang smooth and pulls with an electric like power.
@@woodysrockspyro6436
So you ported your head and have same suspension(KYB or SHOWA?), and the PC pipe?
Kawis are very fun to ride. But terrible to own. They dismantle themselves within months. Engine life is minimal. Gear box is apparently made out of plastic. And expensive to repair. I wouldn't buy a Kawasaki. Yamaha, Gas Gas or KTM are the smart choices.
@@chalo212 I'm not seeing that. I put around 150 hard hours on my 22 model before getting a fresh one. It was still going great. Just pulled the head of my new one at 30hrs. To check it and port/ polish the head. It still has 95% of the hone marks in the cylinder. Last six hrs we put on that thing was hard-core dune riding too. Gonna throw some new rings on it and keep on keeping on. Probably won't pull it back apart till 80hrs. Maintenence wins most of the time.
Polished head. Xtrig clamps. Computer tuned. Full fmf exhaust. It runs good. The stock showa forks were great even before the clamps. Sprung and valved for my weight with the clamps they are dang smooth.
Great review DR! I appreciate real world Dyno Numbers too. I always laugh when the other magazines and channels have stock bikes in the 60's!
Lets go YAMAHA!!! my 15 450f and my 21 450fx are some of the best bikes ever, cant wait to own more in the future!!!
Get another one! I collect MX bikes & sport quads. Don't sell your Ole bikes. Keep em nice. 💯
MXA says '23 KTM 450SXF makes 59.4hp of usable smooth power. Can't beat new Gen KTMs in my opinion! Tons usable power & engines that last 150hrs under rave conditions.
If there was a way to give 100x thumbs up I would simply because no shitty loud music was added to this video. Other MX test magazines please take note.
No Suzuki?
Finally suzuki won a shootout🔥🔥
🤣👌
I believe Hodaka actually placed ahead of Suzuki...although that was ONLY because the Hodaka "Road Toad" was so much more dependable!!!
@@Dusty65they are just as reliable as Honda, the only reason Honda did better is e-start
It basically comes down to a color choice. I’ll choose RED every time, Honda red that is.
You had me there, I thought you meant gas gas
2023 Suzuki RM-Z450 Dyno Test
wow i love my 2010 yz 450 ...... looks like i need a 2023 .....
I’m glad you like it, I know a lot of people that hated the 2010-13 yzs
Crazy that the Suzuki isn't on here, meanwhile Roczen just finished 4th and a 5th on it...and almost podium'd on it. Which he will soon ! Says a lot about the rider !
Love the retro look of the Honda, we need more of that.
Finally someone does a real shootout with testing different maps on the bikes! Also not picking a bike cause you ride it as your daily bike like others say.. good reviews!
Great point . This is how a REAL shootout should be done. This shootout took into consideration the superiority of Yamaha's MAP system and how easy it is to adjust .
@@herbcanter2114 ya funny vital mx last year had the Kawasaki edging out the Yamaha by 1 vote because one guy said his brother use to race Kawasaki so he picked it! Then proceeds this year to say how much better the Yamaha is this year over last years model to only give it 2nd again when Kawasaki didn’t make any changes at all.. completely stupid thinking..🤣
@@mxr248 The new 2023 YZ450F even in stock form has more power than the new 2023 KXSR , it has full KYB suspension and a superior mapping system that's handlebar mounted (Kawi doesn't even have a handlebar mounted system yet) and the stock YZ450F is THOUSANDS cheaper and Vital and Swap Moto STILL vote KX . Those two are just not being honest at all . Dirt rider is honest .
@@herbcanter2114 exactly my thoughts to.. Mosiman is another one.. always makes crap up about the Yamaha and always picks KTM even when they handle like crap. Even the year all the pros had issues he says it’s so much better than all other bikes and even Yamaha when clearly it’s been a great bike for quite sometime. They even pick one bike that only does one really good thing over the Yamaha that many have said it’s good on many points. 🤷♂️
Does the Yamaha still have the engine facing the opposite way with the intake in front and the exhaust in the rear?
Yes
It’s had it since like 2010 I think, it’s worked out pretty well for them I guess
Im always found that engine design fascinating.
the YZ450 is truly the bees knees!! such a great bike.
One day... suzuki will make a new bike, a tm will be tested as well and triumph will be out with its new mx bike.
One day
Hopefully
And that day will be very soon😈
A cable clutch dirt bike revving to the moon to get it's power with the lowest tank capacity, lowest torque and one of the highest weights took first place. Then they tried to claim the exceedingly high revs have no cost to durability.. I guess they're measuring durability based on professional racing performance where motors get rebuilt every 10 hours or less. Otherwise it's definitely not true for the average consumer
So does anybody know exactly what is going on at Suzuki?
They have had a million dollar lawsuit from many people getting killed in their cars and they haven’t had the money to afford a new bike so the plan is there won’t be a new bike for 2024 BUT there will be a 2024.5 factory edition that will be updated and have electric start and I’m guessing the stock 2025 will have those changes
2023 Fantic XXF450 Dyno Test
YESSIR im looking at the YZ450F Monster Energy Edition 10,200$
It's a STEAL for that price.
2023 TM Racing MX450Fi Dyno Test
Where is suzuki?? 😂
Bold new graphics.
@Ed they’re not unreliable lmao
2023 Sherco 450 SC-F Dyno Test
Yz450f had a sag of 105, but did you kept the forks at 7mm? Or did you changed them to 5mm?
Most riders left fork height stock at 7mm. However, a few lowered to 5mm and one even to 2.5mm. Plenty of room to gain some stability if that's what you're looking for. Thank you for tuning in! 👍
105 and 5 mm is where its at!
105 and 5 mm is where its at!
@ClarkStar866 thx,
Just rode mine stock, i was at 103 7mm but i think I'll go to 5mm. Little sketchy sometimes in fast areas with breaking bumps or rutts. But was just my first day, break in and on a sand track that i don't know.
If you go to a soft track or anything that gets rough. Drop the forks flush. 10 on clickers. 5 mm really only works on flat hardpackes ive found
2023 Beta 450 RX Dyno Test
2023 Kawasaki KX450 Dyno Test
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Just getting back into riding… Now I don’t know if I should get the Kawasaki or Yamaha 😂. Both look incredible.
Kawi is proven to be good, Yamaha hasn’t had much time to have been proven a good bike, but if you are just getting back into riding, I’d look at Suzukis, they are kick start but you won’t have to worry about the hassle of a battery and they are cheap
Nice work 👍 🔥
2023 Honda CRF450R Dyno Test
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2023 Yamaha YZ450F Dyno Test
ruclips.net/video/Pd5C7ZGXggc/видео.html
2023 GasGas MC 450F Dyno Test
ruclips.net/video/O_2vNw7NLv8/видео.html
2023 KTM 450 SX-F Dyno Test
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2024 450 Motocross Shootout | Dirt Rider
they are giving away the gas gas right now because if the old style frame I assume ..I know someone who just got a new one for $7500..if your looking for a new 450 look into the gas gas
👏👏Well Done Fellas 👍💪✌️😉
Shootout done in 1day on a smooth track
Thank uou for posting
How tf was Honda below gas gas, gas gas had nothing special, nothing changed, mid power, Honda all the way
Because there was nothing bad about 22 ktm
@@MX-CO Webb sure hated it.
@JAY Montgomery Lots of others liked it, They were Bike of the year I'm 2018 and didn't change much from 18 to 22
good review guys
Why? Why? Why does Yamaha keep ignoring the 300cc two stroke enduro market?! Just bought a Beta 300RR to complement my Yamaha WR 450. I would have preferred to have another Yammie but nooooo. They could easily sell a 300 2T in droves.
Yamaha is known for example in the jet ski world to follow behind the innovators like seadoo.
So with that said the 300 will not happen in my opinion.
But I do believe one day you will have a fuel injected 2 stoke 250 with electric start like the new KTM bikes.
2 to 3 more years if the economy does not collapse first.
@@MR.TOYBOXwell with all these newly developed and sick carbs I don't think efi is all that cool
@@iAmUrTeti It’s not the carb it’s the gas my boy and you have to change jetting for different elevations etc . The ethanol in gas wreaks havoc on carbs and they can get clogged up in as little as two to three months .
Then you have to do a full carb clean just to ride it.
@@MR.TOYBOX well I'm talking about carbs like lectron and smart carbs, because those you don't have to jet them right?
@@MR.TOYBOX but now I get your point because those carbs are EXPENSIVE
START PUTTING TM RACING IN YOUR SHOOTOUTS.
They don’t sell them at a lot of dealerships so they are hard to get ahold of for some people like me
@@aydenrich262 what a lazy bullshit comment. They are not hard to get. You just need to order them. Parts come in with a couple weeks. Most dealerships have parts on hand. Disappointing comment
Honda last.... I'm out
hard to believe honda is last place....
It’s just because of stock form, if it had the kinks worked out like suspension setting and smoother power, it would have done better
Any one got the new 23 yz 450 yet
yes. i have about an hr and half on mine
@@ClarkStar866 what did you have before hand
I had a 19 kx450 before this. Went for a few rides on three different standard honda 450s and didnt like any of em. New yamaha is incredible
I had a 19 kx450 before this. Went for a few rides on three different standard honda 450s and didnt like any of em. New yamaha is incredible
@@ClarkStar866 how tall are you and how heavy bro. Did you like the kx ?
No Suzuki no point
KTM got robbed
again suzuki not join2023
Saved us 2 minutes in the report. No change. Last.
There was no need to, same thing from 2022
yamaha for the WIN~🦾🇺🇸
I think you mean🇯🇵
2023 Husqvarna FC 450 Dyno Test
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