I see that there's a lot of buzz around the soreness and volume of this workout. Here's my take. Running the rack with dumbbell curls has been around for ages and has produced great results for many people. It is also fun and highly enjoyable. Arnold did it often. Does that mean it is the most effective approach? NOPE. But it's something people enjoy enough to do over and over again and consistency beats the perfect method done infrequently.
Another comment I forgot to add is he even says five days later is the biceps are still sore. So you’re trying to progressively overload a muscle and work that muscle frequently so that you can experience growth. With this guys philosophy and his workout routine your biceps are going to be so sore that you’re not going to be able to work them out for an entire week. I’m really not sure who taught him about how muscle growth occurs. But I can tell you just because he has some moderate muscle separation, and a lower body, five percentage, that really doesn’t mean that he knows what he’s doing. Not from what I’ve seen anyways.
@@micdropfroggyface6466this comment especially is good for people to see. He’s a very low body fat percentage and while that’s great, it doesn’t mean he knows what he’s doing. Not sure of the complete purpose for this video because as you stated, any muscle that’s sore for 5 days is just useless. If people want consistent size and strength gains, they better not have sore biceps for 5 days lmao. Even if someone just wants to be a little bit less achey and more mobile, sore biceps for 5 days is awful. I understand if he’s trying to emphasize a certain style of training like high volume with kettlebells, but it’s not like this is a secret magic bicep growing exercise. And biceps aren’t the most complicated muscle, if people do curls and chin ups and pull downs theyll probably develop some crazy biceps
@@jazzyje5ter223 yeah, I totally agree. What I have actually found over many many many years is pull ups to be one of the best developmental workouts for biceps. I found that dumbbell curls. I have been the least productive exercise for my bicep progression. And I’m not saying that for everybody, however, I will say that while positioning your hands correctly, doing a pull up, completely isolating, your biceps, with a full range of motion is probably your best bet for biceps progression. As far as this guy is concerned. I don’t mean to troll him or be somebody that is just putting somebody down however, after watching several of his videos, I’m just not buying into almost half of what he puts out. There is no question, there is no debate, there is nothing that he will say that debates the fact he is on gear. And like I’ve said, I take care and even in another video of his I posted my full cycle. No he’s not coming out and saying that he is on synthetic AAS… and what he’s doing is essentially trying to educate people on muscle growth by putting out information for people that are completely natural. While his body is recovering, add 3 to 5 times faster than someone that is completely natural, and to post the workouts or suggest the things he is suggesting, is just ludicrous to me. I’ve checked most of his videos. He does not talk about gear he does not bring up anabolics he doesn’t state that he is taking anything and to me there’s no difference between him and the liver king. The liver king obviously being way more well-known and successful than this guy ever will be. But why I’ve invested a decent amount of time into comments like these is to hopefully catch the eye of the average person, possibly the teenagers that are watching this. Because yes, anybody can pick up a 20 pound weight and lift it 100 times and have stimulation in somewhat build muscle fiber. However, if we’re talking about an actual workout routine designed to consistently builds muscle, then half of the nonsense he is putting out is just crap. Ultimately at the end of the day he’s lying to everybody while also, putting out useless information, he might be thinking his channel is motivational. I would just agree with that saying his channel is not motivational, and it is educational, and if you’re going to have an educational channel, then you should be upfront, honest, and give factual information. He is obviously not doing that. And that is very clear to me by his non-response to this particular conversation we are having right now and a couple other comments I’ve left for him. I’ve checked his subs and they are very low, and I’ve checked how many comments are on his videos so I know for a fact he has seen them however, he is just choosing not to respond. he’s not doing this by taking the highroad. He’s doing this because he can tell by the tone of the conversation I am attempting to have that I will be able to prove he is legitimately taking gear while putting out bad information. And I just don’t have respect for someone like that
that is NOT hypertrophy. He’s slowly increasing the weight which is already terrible for hypertrophy. He’s not really controlling the eccentric part of the rep. and he’s not training to or past failure. He’s just doing 10 reps. It’s really just a superset under another name. No wonder his biceps are sore for so long. They can’t recover
@@andrespujols9721Hypertrophy doesn't only occur in the "optimal" past failure conditions. Just putting your muscles under tension for multiple reps is enough to make them grow.
I guess my tendons were about to get torn 3 months ago I hit my biceps with 7 different excercise 3 set each with trying to get to failure my arms were fatigued and when I woke up the next day The lactic acid build-up wouldn't allow me to straighten my arms for 3 days it was so annoying and painful 😖😣
@@marcusfilly mine are for 2-3 days and im able to get double the volume of exercise in for the muscle. Its not good to be sore for that long just sayin
@@percy.garou1001 if wanna learn watch Renaissance periodization. He's completely accurate on everything he says about training. I did chin ups, assisted in a variety of ways and built a nice bicep back in the day. One arm chin up with towel assistance on the other arm for example. And id always do drop sets with a barbell and plates to take off. Wide grip. Few of my friends did that and it worked for them too. They're bigger than me now. I stopped.
The biceps are small muscles, so you can easily overtrain them. And 90 reps of anything is too much. Just flex your biceps at the top of every rep, and you’ll be fine. Don’t do any more than 5 sets if you’re going to failure every set.
probably because by doing this workout youre not even hitting ur bicep. because of the angle of his forearms hes basically only reaching failure with his brachialis 💀
@@Jake-pz7oi muscle soreness does not directly correlate to hypertrophy. It's a good indicator to know you've hit the target muscle, but if I do 600 biceps curls with 2 pound dumbbells I will be sore as a mf without gaining muscle
@@captainsatire9628 What does MRV have to do with it? Getting in 3 serious workouts in the same timeframe as 2 extreme workouts should be way more productive for the vast majority of people.
Honestly I was expecting him to teach me how to not get your bicep sore(why would I even need it sore after 5 days), cause recently I felt that. Cause every upper body muscle NEED the bicep to some extent, chest, back mostly. What you do about that? Just not train bicep? Or shorten the sets?
True story - the bicep is not that large a muscle. You can achieve the same results doing much less, spending less time, and achieve a more optimal recovery. Growth is in the recovery.
@@nickknight8065 Of the remaining 30% over a third is made up of the Brachialis, leaving the biceps accounting for less than 20% of upper arm muscle mass.
Thats jst about what i says mate 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 Hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂 doing 1 set of real slow motion on the negative, 1 set warming up 12 reps, then your 1st "MUSCLE GROWTH set heavy with a superset wil work 99.9% better, doing this will take your Biceps over 10 days to recover, so you'll be missing back workout , probs why your loosing weight 🙄 great advice for people who need to stop masterbating 😅 YEAH STILL FEELING THEM BUT NOT SEEN ANY GROWTH !!
Nope, even worse 3 sets of 100. You have to be already an intermediate to advanced lifter to try this let alone adding to a workout. Most people would be fine with 1 set which is really 5 sets.
I also don’t know anyone who’s been working out consistently longer than 2 months and still has soreness in the worked muscle group after 5 whole days, especially not a small muscle group like the biceps at that. In the beginning maybe but idk this video was some bs
@Eurocoo it can happen, if you dont train a muscle for a whole week and you have a sedentary lifestyle outside of the gym. Happened to me with calves. Its these type of dropsets that leave you the most sore.
No you should annihilate your muscle if you want it to grow. Our body adds muscle when our muscles fail so they don’t fail again next time. However this is too much volume and it’s done in a inefficient way.
@@3legreg No you should not annihilate your muscle, you should break it down productively. You will get way more gains if you're more or less healed somewhere between 72-96 hours so you can workout again.
@@melanp4698annihilate means train to failure. Soreness has multiple factors but can’t be avoided. This is why gym splits exist. You train some muscle groups while others rest
Been doing this once a week since the past 3weeks. Started with only 2 sets but I do 3 sets, the bicep stimulation and post workout soreness has been super massive in every single workout. Literally the only workout that stimulates my bicep muscles this much
This type of workout, particularly if extended to some other muscle groups, is what gives some people 'rabdo'. Far better to start with a fairly heavy weight, do slow reps to failure. One or two sets is enough.
@@leifseedfr. Half of the people in the comments did more work typing than they have in the gym their whole lives. He's not bulk training. He's training for muscle endurance, cardio, and leaning out, which is healthier and more practical than larger than necessary muscle groups. And anything I can do to avoid more cardio, I'm down for it.
@@JoJo-zf3en doing this workout and doing just one set of failure of moderately heavy weight will produce the same result. Soreness isn’t a measure of muscle growth it’s a measure of muscle fatigue. Why do 90 reps for one set when 10 will produce the same amount of hypertrophy without the soreness.
Because he is on steroids or at the very least SARMS. He is a crossfitter after all. LOL. And I do feel the need to point out he describes his channel as "Functional Bodybuilding". Well, if the function of the bicep is to flex the elbow joint, how can you workout the bicep in a non-functional way? What the fuck even is functional bodybuilding. If you use your muscles to move the joints then you are using the muscle's function.
@@Kavaitsu it means Mike would disagree with this video, intensity training as he recommended is heavy weight trained further than failure for 1-2 sets. This video is teaching endurance which strengthens the muscle but does not promote growth in the same way. Think about lifting a car to save your baby vs lifting a chair 50 times.
Fun fact: if you get to failure the hypertrophy is about the same even if the reps vary greatly. (This is what I understand from a House of Hypertrophy video)
@@Dr5Emif im not mistaken from my personal knowledge their is a sweet spot around 3-5 sets of 8-12 for most people due to recovery time of the joints, tendons and muscle. it’s important to remember that your training more then just your muscles and other parts of your body need time to recuperate as well and might take longer to recover to lots of sets and reps but everyone is different so what works for you might not work for others edit: it’s important to note that this is especially true for compound movements. although it’s harder for a newcomer to the gym to over train it can still affect your overall growth. non the less it is important to note that they might not be aware of their own physical limitations
@@Dr5Em i think it was something to do with how much the muscle is used in day to day life like with calfs and how it can be really difficult to get growth from them bc they lift your entire weight in every step you take
My gym owner told me this like 13 years ago. Whenever you are unable to get a good bicep workout anymore head to the rack and start doing curls with 5 pounds. Do 5 reps and then run entire rack until you can't hit 5 reps anymore then go back down with no rest. 100% you will get sore from doing this even just 1 set.
Getting sore is not a sign of hypertrophy. This type of soreness is your muscles getting tired EDIT: guys lets stay respectful and share our opinions peacefully! Too many people fighting in the comments.
@@marcusfilly my chest in particular has never got DOMS but it's getting stronger and bigger. There are multiple factors at play. Muscle soreness is not a good indication of a good hypertrophic workout. A better indication is progressive overload (lifting more than last time)
@@xeriklAnd to add to that - a good hypertrophic excercise is going to be less sore, because it is lower in volume and higher in intensity. It's mainly the volume that makes your muscles tire and break.
@@marcusfilly typically soreness if you have any should last around a day or two. Also soreness is not a sign of muscle growth or for it to be hypertrophic optimal. A quick google search with sited documents should answer your question
I agree with you, as long as you're implementing progressive overload whether you're sore or not the next day doesn't really matter. My shoulders and arms never get sore but I do progress with weights and/or reps
the problem is you can only stimulate hypertrophy to a certain point for a workout so any reps past that point only make you more sore and does not add to more muscle gains or verryyy little extra at most. If your sore for 5 days and can’t train you biceps because of that your getting less gains then if you weren’t as sore and could train more frequently. There’s a sweat spot between training hard and not over training. If you sore for 5 days your overtraining and it’s actually causing you to make less gains
Thank you cause ik I’m not tripping bro. My current split is legs push pull push pull & I train close/till failure majority of the time. If I’m sore for “5 days” and it’s impossible for me to push out another push/pull w/ max efficiency & effort what’s the point
@@NostGoldover training definitely isn’t a myth Even at my noobie gains I got sick took 1 week off from gym and obliterated my pr reps and sets That’s how important rest is I thought I was going to be very weaker I was nervous to pick up the dumbbells and then it just felt to light I destroyed by last session by a mile probably had a top 3 workout
@@Gagakki facts! Coming back from vacation and hitting PRs is such a great feeling. Its the accumulated stress overtime which is why some bodybuilders recommend taking a few random rest days here and there
@@Gagakki I train 6 days a week and have never gotten ill. Lemon shots with a few Brazil nuts for selenium post workout will keep your immune system strong. And like I said, proper deep sleep is important, cherries are good to eat as it'll make you sleep deep and long.
This is called a "pyramid set" or "running the rack" and it's not at all unknown. Utilized most by bodybuilders and others prioritizing hypertrophy, it can be modified for more strength goals. Also, usually the lighter weight reps are arguably just junk volume. Unless you've been lifting a really long time and have hit a plateau, you're probably better off doing straight sets. But this can be a fun little challenge every once in a while.
The goal should be to be very sore for about 24-48 hours and then heal completely after that. Being sore for 5 days a more is a sign of a Novel stimuli and likely means you caused more damage than you did growth stimulation.
@oakmen4604 if I do 30 sets of bicep curls with varying weights, I'll absolutely be sore, but I probably won't grow much muscle, this is a voluminous workout but not one with the structure I'd desire to grow bigger biceps.
I been working out for years and everyday I train harder then the time before ( well most times) with lighter weight n volume.....I always feel it for 2 or 3 days easy, and that's the reason u go to a gym n guys that's been there for years never change the look of there physique , cause they don't train hard enough....if u cannot feel ur gluten for 3 at least 3 days after u have not trained hard enough
Then don't do 3 sets. Ladders are a great way to increase strength and endurance. Not everything centers around hypertrophy. And you'll get bigger regardless.
That makes perfect sense. You don't need a crazy amount of sets to really work the biceps, so long as you are going 2-3 RIR. The reality is that doing the lighter weights for so many sets is probably a waste of time. Do a warm up set of 15-20, slow eccentric with a pause in the stretched position. Then go to you heaviest weight and keep the same tempo. Do 4 sets of the heavy and you are good. Do 10 sets of the heavy and you are probably good for 5 days, with far fewer sets.
There’s amazing and not good things about this. These are called drop-sets and wow I love them. The only bicep workout I do is these with dumbbells, my biceps are too big compared to the rest of my body. Love this and 3 sets is perfect. But don’t start at the lowest start at the highest and go down, and go until failure for every one and once you can’t do anymore that’s when you move down.
Your over training. After one set of warm up at 70% capacity. The next set is 12 to 15 reps at maximum failure. Muscle rest period per group is 72 hours.
Biceps are better worked in compound movements imo - do the biceps ever really do anything other than support larger body movements? Something like chin-ups and maybe a few Zottman curl sets to get to failure / target directly if you aren’t getting enough from the secondary activation exercises?
I see that there's a lot of buzz around the soreness and volume of this workout. Here's my take. Running the rack with dumbbell curls has been around for ages and has produced great results for many people. It is also fun and highly enjoyable. Arnold did it often. Does that mean it is the most effective approach? NOPE. But it's something people enjoy enough to do over and over again and consistency beats the perfect method done infrequently.
Another comment I forgot to add is he even says five days later is the biceps are still sore. So you’re trying to progressively overload a muscle and work that muscle frequently so that you can experience growth. With this guys philosophy and his workout routine your biceps are going to be so sore that you’re not going to be able to work them out for an entire week.
I’m really not sure who taught him about how muscle growth occurs. But I can tell you just because he has some moderate muscle separation, and a lower body, five percentage, that really doesn’t mean that he knows what he’s doing. Not from what I’ve seen anyways.
@@micdropfroggyface6466this comment especially is good for people to see. He’s a very low body fat percentage and while that’s great, it doesn’t mean he knows what he’s doing.
Not sure of the complete purpose for this video because as you stated, any muscle that’s sore for 5 days is just useless. If people want consistent size and strength gains, they better not have sore biceps for 5 days lmao. Even if someone just wants to be a little bit less achey and more mobile, sore biceps for 5 days is awful.
I understand if he’s trying to emphasize a certain style of training like high volume with kettlebells, but it’s not like this is a secret magic bicep growing exercise.
And biceps aren’t the most complicated muscle, if people do curls and chin ups and pull downs theyll probably develop some crazy biceps
Who cares what Arnold did smh
@@jazzyje5ter223 yeah, I totally agree. What I have actually found over many many many years is pull ups to be one of the best developmental workouts for biceps. I found that dumbbell curls. I have been the least productive exercise for my bicep progression. And I’m not saying that for everybody, however, I will say that while positioning your hands correctly, doing a pull up, completely isolating, your biceps, with a full range of motion is probably your best bet for biceps progression.
As far as this guy is concerned. I don’t mean to troll him or be somebody that is just putting somebody down however, after watching several of his videos, I’m just not buying into almost half of what he puts out. There is no question, there is no debate, there is nothing that he will say that debates the fact he is on gear. And like I’ve said, I take care and even in another video of his I posted my full cycle. No he’s not coming out and saying that he is on synthetic AAS… and what he’s doing is essentially trying to educate people on muscle growth by putting out information for people that are completely natural. While his body is recovering, add 3 to 5 times faster than someone that is completely natural, and to post the workouts or suggest the things he is suggesting, is just ludicrous to me. I’ve checked most of his videos. He does not talk about gear he does not bring up anabolics he doesn’t state that he is taking anything and to me there’s no difference between him and the liver king. The liver king obviously being way more well-known and successful than this guy ever will be. But why I’ve invested a decent amount of time into comments like these is to hopefully catch the eye of the average person, possibly the teenagers that are watching this. Because yes, anybody can pick up a 20 pound weight and lift it 100 times and have stimulation in somewhat build muscle fiber. However, if we’re talking about an actual workout routine designed to consistently builds muscle, then half of the nonsense he is putting out is just crap. Ultimately at the end of the day he’s lying to everybody while also, putting out useless information, he might be thinking his channel is motivational. I would just agree with that saying his channel is not motivational, and it is educational, and if you’re going to have an educational channel, then you should be upfront, honest, and give factual information. He is obviously not doing that. And that is very clear to me by his non-response to this particular conversation we are having right now and a couple other comments I’ve left for him. I’ve checked his subs and they are very low, and I’ve checked how many comments are on his videos so I know for a fact he has seen them however, he is just choosing not to respond. he’s not doing this by taking the highroad. He’s doing this because he can tell by the tone of the conversation I am attempting to have that I will be able to prove he is legitimately taking gear while putting out bad information.
And I just don’t have respect for someone like that
Need to work on your recovery more if your still that sore
“Sir your arm is purple”
“No it’s hypertrophy”
This knocked me out.😂
@@atli2721bro same
😭😂
that is NOT hypertrophy. He’s slowly increasing the weight which is already terrible for hypertrophy. He’s not really controlling the eccentric part of the rep. and he’s not training to or past failure. He’s just doing 10 reps. It’s really just a superset under another name. No wonder his biceps are sore for so long. They can’t recover
@@andrespujols9721Hypertrophy doesn't only occur in the "optimal" past failure conditions. Just putting your muscles under tension for multiple reps is enough to make them grow.
Omg u did that 3 times over. No wonder
1-2 would have been sufficient
Getting tendonitis harder than last time
Is he natty Greg?
@@brave_towel9045dawg I was about to come comment the same thing😂🤣
@@kevindavis8526 the people have to know
Ah, the old classic "all pain, no gain" strategy.
"If you do this, I guarantee you'll get tendonitis."
For real 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@brianmccullough2342That's at least 10% VA rating that will give you about $170 a month lol
Doctor: your bicep has been torn
Him: No its just sore
No torn biceps here!
Underrated comment lol
I guess my tendons were about to get torn
3 months ago I hit my biceps with 7 different excercise 3 set each with trying to get to failure my arms were fatigued and when I woke up the next day The lactic acid build-up wouldn't allow me to straighten my arms for 3 days it was so annoying and painful 😖😣
@@marcusfilly mine are for 2-3 days and im able to get double the volume of exercise in for the muscle. Its not good to be sore for that long just sayin
@@percy.garou1001 if wanna learn watch Renaissance periodization.
He's completely accurate on everything he says about training.
I did chin ups, assisted in a variety of ways and built a nice bicep back in the day. One arm chin up with towel assistance on the other arm for example.
And id always do drop sets with a barbell and plates to take off. Wide grip. Few of my friends did that and it worked for them too. They're bigger than me now. I stopped.
The one muscle that I can never engage or get sore... My Bicep. Saying you're sore for 5 days blows my mind.
90 reps x 3 sets. That will fully saturate muscle engagement. A mix of muscular strength and muscular endurance. Overload principle.
The biceps are small muscles, so you can easily overtrain them. And 90 reps of anything is too much.
Just flex your biceps at the top of every rep, and you’ll be fine. Don’t do any more than 5 sets if you’re going to failure every set.
Sometimes doing redicuous things like this are a good way to break through some plataeus.
probably because by doing this workout youre not even hitting ur bicep. because of the angle of his forearms hes basically only reaching failure with his brachialis 💀
I promise your biceps are getting hit here too
Bro got a whole fucking road map on his arms
Bro bro bro bro
Brahhhhh
“Take as much rest as you need!”
Me does one set then proceeds to rest and never do it again…
You never actually stop clapping, some claps just take much longer
And now the RUclips algorithm thinks we're bodybuilders
"Take as much rest between sets as you need"
Sure thing a week should do it.
You didn’t stop the exercise, you just took around 70 years rest in between sets.
Diminishing returns and increased chance of injury
diminishing returns? there's no returns at all
Only for you young lady. ❤
Post your arms to compare?
@@leifseedWouldn’t be a fair comparison, since the commenter is likely not juiced to the gills like this dude is.
Crossfit in a nutshell.
Muscle soreness ≠ hypertrophy
Always*
@@Allinonetvz *unless it is sore due to an injury
95% of time it does though....
Most of the time it does though. This is what soft half-assers like to say to justify their crappy effort.
@@Jake-pz7oi muscle soreness does not directly correlate to hypertrophy. It's a good indicator to know you've hit the target muscle, but if I do 600 biceps curls with 2 pound dumbbells I will be sore as a mf without gaining muscle
If your biceps are sore for 5 days, you're doing something wrong.
Overtraining biceps for 27 sets in a single day, getting muscle/tendon injury that doesn't heal for 5 days, what can be possibly wrong?
People evidently haven't heard of Maximum Recoverable Volume.
@@captainsatire9628 What does MRV have to do with it? Getting in 3 serious workouts in the same timeframe as 2 extreme workouts should be way more productive for the vast majority of people.
@@captainsatire9628you clearly haven't
Honestly I was expecting him to teach me how to not get your bicep sore(why would I even need it sore after 5 days), cause recently I felt that. Cause every upper body muscle NEED the bicep to some extent, chest, back mostly. What you do about that? Just not train bicep? Or shorten the sets?
True story - the bicep is not that large a muscle. You can achieve the same results doing much less, spending less time, and achieve a more optimal recovery. Growth is in the recovery.
True. Impressive arms start with building triceps, which are 70% of the upper arm mass.
It's a tiny muscle. You barely need three sets of 5. Soreness is meaningless to hypertrophy.
@@nickknight8065 Of the remaining 30% over a third is made up of the Brachialis, leaving the biceps accounting for less than 20% of upper arm muscle mass.
Thats jst about what i says mate
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Hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂 doing 1 set of real slow motion on the negative, 1 set warming up 12 reps, then your 1st "MUSCLE GROWTH set heavy with a superset wil work 99.9% better, doing this will take your Biceps over 10 days to recover, so you'll be missing back workout , probs why your loosing weight 🙄 great advice for people who need to stop masterbating 😅
YEAH STILL FEELING THEM BUT NOT SEEN ANY GROWTH !!
So 5 sets of 10 is not optimal?@@treasurethetime2463
Never unsubscribed so fast in my life
Kinda dissapointed you were subscribed to begin with but proud of you for seeing the light
MF really said '3 sets of 80 is optimal' with a straight face 😂
Nope, even worse 3 sets of 100. You have to be already an intermediate to advanced lifter to try this let alone adding to a workout. Most people would be fine with 1 set which is really 5 sets.
I also don’t know anyone who’s been working out consistently longer than 2 months and still has soreness in the worked muscle group after 5 whole days, especially not a small muscle group like the biceps at that. In the beginning maybe but idk this video was some bs
3 sets of 90 actually, even worse😂
@@jordanw.97 3 x 90 actually, he only did 10 with the heaviest, 20 on the other 4
@Eurocoo it can happen, if you dont train a muscle for a whole week and you have a sedentary lifestyle outside of the gym. Happened to me with calves. Its these type of dropsets that leave you the most sore.
"Stimulate don't annihilate"
No you should annihilate your muscle if you want it to grow. Our body adds muscle when our muscles fail so they don’t fail again next time. However this is too much volume and it’s done in a inefficient way.
@@3legregthis is such violent misinformation
@@3legreg No you should not annihilate your muscle, you should break it down productively. You will get way more gains if you're more or less healed somewhere between 72-96 hours so you can workout again.
@@3legregYou don't have to train to literal failure, you just have to stay close to failure.
@@melanp4698annihilate means train to failure. Soreness has multiple factors but can’t be avoided. This is why gym splits exist. You train some muscle groups while others rest
Been doing this once a week since the past 3weeks. Started with only 2 sets but I do 3 sets, the bicep stimulation and post workout soreness has been super massive in every single workout.
Literally the only workout that stimulates my bicep muscles this much
Results after 3 months ???
Do this for all muscles groups for a workout that only takes 58 hrs!
To anyone reading, don't do this.
Soreness does not indicate muscle growth, you are going to both waste time and injure yourself with this.
This type of workout, particularly if extended to some other muscle groups, is what gives some people 'rabdo'. Far better to start with a fairly heavy weight, do slow reps to failure. One or two sets is enough.
Lol look at him bro, lets see your arms?
@@leifseed You cannot be serious
@@leifseedfr. Half of the people in the comments did more work typing than they have in the gym their whole lives. He's not bulk training. He's training for muscle endurance, cardio, and leaning out, which is healthier and more practical than larger than necessary muscle groups. And anything I can do to avoid more cardio, I'm down for it.
Video title: Speed running tendinitis *WR* 0:59
[ Catogory: Whole biceps no major glitchs.]
I look forward to the tendinitis summoning salt video
Never skip brain day
@@sgtrock2821bro the hair and head band like that is... well you know. 😂
Good one
Wait what’s wrong with doing this
@@JoJo-zf3en too much volume and it's just useless doing all that, better off just doing dumbbell curls and going to failure
@@JoJo-zf3en doing this workout and doing just one set of failure of moderately heavy weight will produce the same result. Soreness isn’t a measure of muscle growth it’s a measure of muscle fatigue. Why do 90 reps for one set when 10 will produce the same amount of hypertrophy without the soreness.
Is no one gonna talk about how shredded his legs are
Because he is on steroids or at the very least SARMS. He is a crossfitter after all. LOL.
And I do feel the need to point out he describes his channel as "Functional Bodybuilding". Well, if the function of the bicep is to flex the elbow joint, how can you workout the bicep in a non-functional way? What the fuck even is functional bodybuilding. If you use your muscles to move the joints then you are using the muscle's function.
I can't afford to have sore arms for 5 days
I'll go with Mentzer, Thanks
Mike is a hack in many aspects
Mike Mentzer left the chat
Right? You can be sore for a week with much less work and 1/5th of the time spent
if "x joined the chat" means x is disagreeing, does "Mike left the chat" mean he agrees with this video? This is intensity focused training too, yeah?
@@Kavaitsu it means Mike would disagree with this video, intensity training as he recommended is heavy weight trained further than failure for 1-2 sets. This video is teaching endurance which strengthens the muscle but does not promote growth in the same way. Think about lifting a car to save your baby vs lifting a chair 50 times.
Ah yes, the guy who uses meth as pre workout
I do boxing with bodybuilding and glad I found Mike instead of doing so many sets and having sore arms for days
You are shredded!
Fun fact: if you get to failure the hypertrophy is about the same even if the reps vary greatly.
(This is what I understand from a House of Hypertrophy video)
Kind of. You still need volume, but this guy is giving rapid advice to most of us who are natty wondering why everyone’s bashing him.
@@blakewilliams7146 I meant for rep ranges volume matters a lot
@@Dr5Emif im not mistaken from my personal knowledge their is a sweet spot around 3-5 sets of 8-12 for most people due to recovery time of the joints, tendons and muscle. it’s important to remember that your training more then just your muscles and other parts of your body need time to recuperate as well and might take longer to recover to lots of sets and reps but everyone is different so what works for you might not work for others
edit: it’s important to note that this is especially true for compound movements. although it’s harder for a newcomer to the gym to over train it can still affect your overall growth. non the less it is important to note that they might not be aware of their own physical limitations
@@bobluegi7120yep theirs definitely a sweet spot, I think it varies from muscle to muscle tho
@@Dr5Em i think it was something to do with how much the muscle is used in day to day life
like with calfs and how it can be really difficult to get growth from them bc they lift your entire weight in every step you take
My gym owner told me this like 13 years ago.
Whenever you are unable to get a good bicep workout anymore head to the rack and start doing curls with 5 pounds.
Do 5 reps and then run entire rack until you can't hit 5 reps anymore then go back down with no rest.
100% you will get sore from doing this even just 1 set.
Sounds like a good way to break out of rut
Soreness =/= good. This is the biggest gymbro myth
Rack?
@@giftzwerg7345Run the rack of weights.
Sore doesn't mean your gonna get muscles.
Remarkable what Gear & GH does for one's recovery?!
Getting sore is not a sign of hypertrophy. This type of soreness is your muscles getting tired
EDIT: guys lets stay respectful and share our opinions peacefully! Too many people fighting in the comments.
Let me ask a question. If you never get sore would you consider your training for hypertrophic optimal?
@@marcusfilly my chest in particular has never got DOMS but it's getting stronger and bigger. There are multiple factors at play. Muscle soreness is not a good indication of a good hypertrophic workout. A better indication is progressive overload (lifting more than last time)
@@xeriklAnd to add to that - a good hypertrophic excercise is going to be less sore, because it is lower in volume and higher in intensity. It's mainly the volume that makes your muscles tire and break.
@@marcusfilly typically soreness if you have any should last around a day or two. Also soreness is not a sign of muscle growth or for it to be hypertrophic optimal. A quick google search with sited documents should answer your question
I agree with you, as long as you're implementing progressive overload whether you're sore or not the next day doesn't really matter. My shoulders and arms never get sore but I do progress with weights and/or reps
Wouldnt it be more benefitful to max out the reps with the heaviest first and then go down?
Maybe you need to warm up first.
Gymbros will do anything to avoid doing weighted chin ups / bicep curls for biceps 😅
Yes, technically speaking. Dropsets are also safer as well, what he did could easily harm a beginner so I wouldn’t recommend it. But what do I know 💀
@@shan5445my guy, if you need that much warmup, for a biceps curl, then seek medical attention, this is not normal
Great nutrition - shredded 💪🏼
My biceps are injured just by watching this
more volume≠more progress
true. and this still doesn't mean this is a bad method.
@@marcusfillyit's great for variety but the effort to gains ratio is bad
Intensity and progressive overload means more gains
@@arrow2380Yeah this dude has so much junk volume in this waste of time and effort
No but more volume is more likely to grow muscle and get stronger
Love this idea
"Hey dude, mind if I use one of the ket.."
"No, I'm using all of them!"
This. 😆
Yeah, this is something you definitely don’t want to do during peak gym hours. I find this effective for a very early or very late or Sundays.
His worst enemy is a paper cut
Gross but I get the joke
This is good👍 i would fully recommend it.
"take as much rest as you need"
Proceeds to rest for a day*
the problem is you can only stimulate hypertrophy to a certain point for a workout so any reps past that point only make you more sore and does not add to more muscle gains or verryyy little extra at most. If your sore for 5 days and can’t train you biceps because of that your getting less gains then if you weren’t as sore and could train more frequently. There’s a sweat spot between training hard and not over training. If you sore for 5 days your overtraining and it’s actually causing you to make less gains
Great comment 👍
Exactly my thought. Better to get 3 serious workouts done in the same timeframe as 2 extreme workouts with exponentially higher risk of injury.
Thank you cause ik I’m not tripping bro. My current split is legs push pull push pull & I train close/till failure majority of the time. If I’m sore for “5 days” and it’s impossible for me to push out another push/pull w/ max efficiency & effort what’s the point
Incredibly incredible
Yah and don't worry about overtraining and forget recovery!!
I rest 1 day a week, if im sore I call myself a pussy and push thru. U can always do more than ur baby brain thinks
Over training is myth, resting is important but if you sleep 8-10 hours you should be good to train wherever everyday
@@NostGoldover training definitely isn’t a myth
Even at my noobie gains I got sick took 1 week off from gym and obliterated my pr reps and sets
That’s how important rest is I thought I was going to be very weaker I was nervous to pick up the dumbbells and then it just felt to light I destroyed by last session by a mile probably had a top 3 workout
@@Gagakki facts! Coming back from vacation and hitting PRs is such a great feeling. Its the accumulated stress overtime which is why some bodybuilders recommend taking a few random rest days here and there
@@Gagakki I train 6 days a week and have never gotten ill. Lemon shots with a few Brazil nuts for selenium post workout will keep your immune system strong. And like I said, proper deep sleep is important, cherries are good to eat as it'll make you sleep deep and long.
The hair is killing me😂😂
This is called a "pyramid set" or "running the rack" and it's not at all unknown. Utilized most by bodybuilders and others prioritizing hypertrophy, it can be modified for more strength goals.
Also, usually the lighter weight reps are arguably just junk volume. Unless you've been lifting a really long time and have hit a plateau, you're probably better off doing straight sets. But this can be a fun little challenge every once in a while.
Dropset rules!! I try tomorrow, Love it❤
Have fun!
The goal should be to be very sore for about 24-48 hours and then heal completely after that. Being sore for 5 days a more is a sign of a Novel stimuli and likely means you caused more damage than you did growth stimulation.
Once your past intermediate training, the length of time for recovery increases with with greater intensity.
@@oakmen4604doing more reps is not intensity. Thats volume.
True. And from time to time it's OK to stretch yourself outside of the 24-48 hour mark and recalibrate your intensity a bit
@oakmen4604 if I do 30 sets of bicep curls with varying weights, I'll absolutely be sore, but I probably won't grow much muscle, this is a voluminous workout but not one with the structure I'd desire to grow bigger biceps.
@@marcusfillyno its never OK
Can I use gear too to help like you did
Dork: "I ran a marathon a week ago. I still feel it"
I been working out for years and everyday I train harder then the time before ( well most times) with lighter weight n volume.....I always feel it for 2 or 3 days easy, and that's the reason u go to a gym n guys that's been there for years never change the look of there physique , cause they don't train hard enough....if u cannot feel ur gluten for 3 at least 3 days after u have not trained hard enough
I've been thinking about running a marathon. I'm still in pain 😮
I dont want to be sore for a week😂 Id rather be able to train them more often. Soreness has nothing to do with hypertrophy
Exactly
obviously targeted at normies. they want to feel better not be better.
He's too lean too testosterone is not optimized for recovery higher testosterone less soreness
Then don't do 3 sets. Ladders are a great way to increase strength and endurance. Not everything centers around hypertrophy. And you'll get bigger regardless.
How'd you get so ripped? High protein, and many reps?
high protein and reps will not get you this vascular. he is not natty
Bro has unlocked every level of veins
That's what roids will do to your body
It looks too much like
Im in LOVE with this chanelll!!
Excellent bro
Mike Mentzer is rolling in his grave
Lol
Is he looking for his meth?
Bro looks like he’s got vines growing inside him
That makes perfect sense. You don't need a crazy amount of sets to really work the biceps, so long as you are going 2-3 RIR. The reality is that doing the lighter weights for so many sets is probably a waste of time. Do a warm up set of 15-20, slow eccentric with a pause in the stretched position. Then go to you heaviest weight and keep the same tempo. Do 4 sets of the heavy and you are good. Do 10 sets of the heavy and you are probably good for 5 days, with far fewer sets.
Do you run hgh as well, low dose?
There’s amazing and not good things about this. These are called drop-sets and wow I love them. The only bicep workout I do is these with dumbbells, my biceps are too big compared to the rest of my body. Love this and 3 sets is perfect. But don’t start at the lowest start at the highest and go down, and go until failure for every one and once you can’t do anymore that’s when you move down.
This looks like a great exercise
😂 "congratulations, that's one set" 😂 💯👍🏻
U got a killer physique dude...
Your over training. After one set of warm up at 70% capacity. The next set is 12 to 15 reps at maximum failure. Muscle rest period per group is 72 hours.
I need to try that!
Good dropset🏆💪🏽
Bros got the entirety of google maps on his arms 💪
You’re shredded broski! Keep it up!!!
Good work 👍🏻, what’s up the substitute teacher haircut though brah
What mic 🎙 are you using? It sounds great 👍🏽
When you believe there no limits
And you love what you do 💖
Love it thank you Marcus your a wonderful athlete ❤
What's the purpose of this? Feel biceps or getting bigger or stronger? I do hammers with 32 kg dumbells. 64 kg 3 sets of 5.
You look like a Spartan !⚔️🫀
I like that - never seen a biceps workout routine like it before. I shall invest in a set of kettle bells soon. And thanks.
Oh cool workout! But pretty sure you forgot to mention if we take the steroids after or before the workout?
Bicep tricep burnouts are the best
How much test are you running a week?
How many times per week?
I just did one set and you were not lying...I definitely feel it 😂
Hey can you tell me where you got those kettlebells?
why so much volume? would it not be better to do a more stretch focused exercise such as incline curls?
What weights are you using. I can't see all the numbers
You dropped this king 💉🔥🔥
Dude his abs are insane
How long does it take you to do all the sets?
I watched this dude then I was big into CrossFit. He’s one of the OG’s of the CFG and got to meet him at regionals. Great dude!
What are the weights?
That's fine for your arms but what did you do for your stomach
Wouldn't drop sets basically acheive the same effect here?
Are those good for lateral raise?
24kg is too much for both hands? even if you do like 50reps?
Do you rest between kettlebells or per set?
Congratulations that's one set😉
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me -Philippians 4:13❤
Ronnie coleman even be like damn this guy is overdoing it
Shredded
Are those values in pounds? Can someone put it in kilograms? Thank you very much, kind sir.
After which set do I inject again?
Where to get those weights ?
We need a ab workout like that
Biceps are better worked in compound movements imo - do the biceps ever really do anything other than support larger body movements? Something like chin-ups and maybe a few Zottman curl sets to get to failure / target directly if you aren’t getting enough from the secondary activation exercises?
What sarms do you use?
How do you stay so lean?
What’s your cycle?