I could be wrong, but I think i remember watching or reading that the Steelers had identified a wrinkle in the Bengals coverages where that dump off the the back over the middle was going to be open a lot, so I think Russ was just looking for that as part of the game plan
you heard exactly right... TONY ROMO spoke EXACTLY to your observation and point. Seem like this ex-QB is "missing" what others are getting including play by play ex pr QB---Romo. Surprised at this fellow's breathless displayed confusion? Most folks "posting" seem to "get it" like ex-QB Romo.
@@NativeBlackAmericanTv Romo doesn't have time to do this kind of analysis during a broadcast. There's a lot more mentioned here by Warner than the checkdown to the middle. There are all sorts of things he points out that make no sense. Wilson not even looking to the right side of the field considering the coverage. Wilson giving up on a play before it even starts and he's ready to take off without any pressure on him. Warner also mentions about the checkdown that "maybe that's what he's being told" at 20:25. He isn't discounting that idea at all. He just looks at the plays and wonders why he's not even looking. And while he refuses to hit the plays he should most of the time, he rips those throws others. Warner knows what he's talking about. He checked down a RB to the left before the WRs were even out of their routes. Then he's throwing a bullet through a seam. Beautiful passes. It's the inconsistency in when he takes those throws and when he bails on them.
I was here to comment the exact same thing. Steelers found a weakness in the middle and they kept exploiting all game.... So this was done by purpose not because Russ didn't understand what he saw.
Is it possible that Russ is Praying and asking God step by step as he reads the coverages? Praise the LORD. He threw for over 400 yards and 3 TDs. I am a little disappointed in Kurt’s analysis… Kurt you love the LORD right? proverbs 3:5
crazy that Russ has thrown almost double your career TD passes and 100 less INTs with a 100 passer rating for his career without "seeing the field". I wonder how much Sean Payton pays yall to push this narrative while his offense this year got statistically worse without Russ
I get sometimes people clash but the disrespect Sean has displayed to Russ is disgusting. He slandered him to numerous people around the league. This is why you see people like Kirk making film study as this. Sean an overrated coach who had several under whelming seasons with -the peoples anointed QB, Drew Breeze
Yeah all these guys are jokes ha Orlovsky as well. I love when the media has so much to say about a player that they couldn’t touch as far as skill and level of play.
He’s taking the check down to Najee because he had a wide open running back with 10 yards of space ahead of him. His best ball is the deep ball, and you’re criticizing him for taking open looks that turned into first downs?????
Crazy haha these guys all just wanna hate Russ for some reason. Dan Orlovsky is the same way. Comes off as jealous and bitter ha Orlovsky couldn’t hold Russ’ jock strap and Kurt Warner had like one year that was on Russell’s level
Also because it was part of the game plan against Cincy. Cincy is bad at defending the shallow middle of the field. I can't believe Warner who was a pro QB doesn't understand this. It's not a check down... it's designed to go to Najee.
Nope he is saying that isnt the first read..a Check down is the last resort not option A which is open but he never sees it because he cant read a defense.
Kurt Warner career stats: 32,000Yrds 208TD 128INT 93.7Passer RTG Russell Wilson career stats: 45,000Yrds 344TD 109INT 100Passer RTG I'm thinking Kurt probably shouldn't be throwing shade at Russell Wilson's "processing."
Kurt wasnt in the league until he was nearly 30. he is and was the FAR superior QB. HOFer vs HO"MEH"R That Seahawks team hs 5-6 rings if Kurt was the QB
@@caseycoady3063 Kurt is the far superior QB? That is extremely laughable, Russ is easily not even close better. Kurt Warner played with Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, and left tackle Orlando Pace on the "Greatest show on Turf". 3 of those 4 player I mentioned are in the Hall of Fame. Who has Russ played with on offense that are HOFers? Maybe 2, Marshawn Lynch and Jimmy Graham but they are both not certified definent locks although I think Marshawn will get in at least and Russ didn't play with them on the same teams and both of them Russ only had for 3 out of his 10 seasons on Seattle. Kurt also in his amazing 2001 "Greatest show on Turf" year threw 36 touchdowns and 22 interceptions with 3 other HOFers on the offense. Russ has thrown in a season with 0 HOFers on offense but himself (2020) threw 40 touchdowns. Russ has also never come close to throwing 22 picks in a season. Russ is not a question for the HOF like you just tried saying he is, Russ is a certified 1st ballot HOF lock from just his Seahawks career alone and he is still playing so he could make it even more of a lock. Kurt Warner most definitely would not have won 5-6 rings with that Seahawks team, he would have won 0. The amount of glaze I just witnessed from you is actually a joke.
I want everyone to pay attention to the difference between Warner's analysis of Wilson at 2:07, and his analysis of a very similar play executed by Jared Goff and the Lions in different circumstances at ruclips.net/video/9e5FxbdhP54/видео.htmlfeature=shared&t=193 Russ (25 yard gain on 3rd and 2): "But you see, Russ is already throwing it to his check down right here....this is the Russell Wilson that I saw the last couple years in Denver, the Russell Wilson that would almost not see anything down the field" Goff (19 yard gain on 3rd and 26): "But you see, Jared Goff is already throwing this football, and that's what I love, is, he knows exactly where his eyes need to go......boom, hook defender gets depth, I'm just going to dump it off and get a positive play and we're going to rock and roll" So when Russ takes the virtually guaranteed completion for a first down and much more on 3rd and 2, Kurt is talking about how he isn't seeing anything down the field, but when Goff checks it down on 3rd and 26 in a situation where the defense is happy to give him that check down, it's "that's what I love" and "we're going to rock and roll".....i.e. punt lol.
Russ has a low int rate the way he plays. Actually played in 2 Super-bowls. 1 bad play from winning 2. Yet these people are always running their chops. LOL
You didn’t even give props to that 3rd down zero blitz where he hit the post. Russ did so much work presnap on that play. Sees the blitz, motions the tight end to block. Forces the safety to take the RB as his responsibility. Motions the RB left, saftey flips sides. Whole play on defense is jumbled because of Russ pre snap. But he doesn’t know what he’s doing right Kurt? Why does everyone treat Russ like he’s a child. Man won a SB
@@SamsP.O.V-hd7rb more of a good play by a defense who prepared for that play. So sad RW was the best player on the field for that game. Seahawks just beat themselves.
How insulting. Basically insinuating that this man can’t process what he sees in his 13th season in the league. You always do this whenever you discuss him. His style of play is different than yours was but that doesn’t make his wrong. Can’t even critique him without being low key negative.
What I'm seeing is Wilson having an incredibly talented team around him, that his "poor" choices still turn out positive, and his good plays turn out great. At least against a bad defense like the Bengals.
It's obvious, Warner doesn't like RW's playing style. Doesn't matter. RW is a Top 3 QB in TD/INT ratio in the history of NFL football. I think, I'll just trust in Russ.
@@caseycoady3063 he has the highest yards per attempt the in the league now it’s all checkdowns 😂 get off the burner Sean Payton your career is over buddy
@@QuickHittinEmWarner IS right on. He showed both Wilson's skill in making plays, BUT he also showed how he doesn't run an offense well. Wilson IS NOT PRECISE! That can work, if he fights to extend then make plays. (Which is what Wilson is known for) But if you want a QB that understands an offense and executes that offense....go get Bo Nix.
The fact that a hall of famer, is unable to break down russ' "process", hence predictably in film, is an obvious advantage for russ, in the opposition not getting clues from film study, it seems to me
Seriously haha first time I’ve heard criticism of something that’s working…it’s almost like it’s not about what he is doing but WHO is doing it. Russ hate isn’t a new thing
@billyconley1515 I'm not sure why Kurt needs Russ to look somewhere else if Cincy kept giving him the underneath middle on 1st and 2nd downs for great yardage to the point the Steelers only seen nine 3rd downs and punted once
Russell gets criticized for holding onto the ball a lot, so I can't criticize him being quick to a checkdown with as many YAC that he got vs the Bengals. The defense crept up in the second half to take away the checkdowns, which led to more deep shots. What seems like a missed read to some looks like strategy to me. Almost as if he's setting up bigger plays later on. It explains why he turns over the ball less than a lot of traditional quarterbacks. Will he check down, scramble, take a deep shot, throw over the middle? Who knows. As a short QB it makes him less predictable. Russell is an instinctual player.
I also think Russ is very good pre-snap. So he knows where he's going based on the coverage and gets the ball out quickly. He makes a lot of audibles at the line based on what he sees pre-snap. I think if he took Kurt's advice it might lead to more interceptions. His approach works for him even if it's unorthodox.
He's short. So it's clear that this is his strategy to get the ball out quickly and depend on his guys to make a play which they did. It's also why he uses more players because he just goes to the open guy.
Kurt, strange how others praised his check down to 22 at 2:26 because of the coverage. He and Arthur Smith probably knew the middle of the field was available to be gashed. Other QBs analyzing this game seems to have understood it. Maybe you checkout JT's QB School breakdown for the clarification you are seeking....
Yes I know that but you don’t usually notice that at the snap, I’m not saying it didn’t work, but it’s just weird when a player doesn’t even look downfield and throws right to checkdown! But as I said maybe it’s something they talked about before hand… but I’ve actually been watching it for a couple years & that’s why I’m interested in his process!
Ok fair enough, playing back full speed he does get to Najee incredibly fast. As a fan, not a former player, it is difficult to question good/great results but I understand your point.
@@kurtwarnerqbcit’s because he recognized that it was palms coverage, he kept changing and checking plays at the line because he realized what they were in so he knew the quick check down would destroy Cincinnati’s defense
Yep. Najee has the mailbox up as soon as he clears the line of scrimmage. They must have had a read they saw on film that if both of those linebackers turn and run to the sidelines like that, they're getting it out quick to Najee and let a safety-type go try and make an open field tackle on that guy with a 10 yard head start. I kinda wish he lowered the shoulder there rather than cut laterally. But either way I'll take it vs a 7-yard out to Pickens going out of bounds.
@@kurtwarnerqbc The Bengals were bailing out of the short middle in certain coverages until early in the 3rd quarter. Russ was 10/10 for 146 yards to throws there, but none after the first drive in the 3rd. Why you find it odd is because the 1st read was actually the Back. He checked a couple of Alerts, but it was basically the standard 4 Vert Checkdown for 5 yards as a base play. Because of not having much Shotgun Play Action installed for Fields, the Steelers also found something of the same approach early in the season with their Under Center Play Action. It's an uncommon way of generating a "run game", but it's worked all year. Once the Bengals had to cover the short middle, it also opened up the seams a lot more later in the game.
Alot of reasons why, one is that russ has been getting sacked and hit alot, and moving to the quick soft spot check down when available more, helps the oline, and decreases chances of injury to russ, and insures staying ahead of the chains. Im sure kirt knows there,are many reasons why. This film study is perplexing
Another thing with Russ is he is very calculated when it comes to risk. He’s not the type of QB to throw 17, 18, or 22 ints in a year like a specific QB..why take a risk when the bengals can’t stop a check down? Maybe Kurt could’ve used this technique in his playing days!
I see a QB trying to get the ball out on time to help out his oline that struggles at times to protect him. Russ was criticized for taking too many sacks, the clock in his head is moving quickly.
He took the check down the first time bc it was wide open for more yards than the out route would’ve been. He took the out route the second time clearly bc the check down was more covered lol 😂 for this to be a hall of fame qb this breakdown was ….. perplexing..
Hey Kurt. 13:17, since you ask. If I’m reading this, i cannot assume that the second read on the left isn’t cover 2 as well, which isn’t going to work for that route combo. That 3rd read would have blown up at that point if Russ waited. I’m taking that check down quick, getting yards and fighting another day.
I understand what Kurt is trying to convey, but the fact of the matter is that Prime Russ in his Seattle years was never a classic pocket passer such as Brady , Manning, or Marinio ect. He was an athletic quarterback who could scramble and extend the play. In his prime, his scrambling ability was parallel to Fran Tarkenton . The TD pass to Pat was a prime example..
Seems like warner evaluates guys based on how similarly their style is to his. On the plays that he finds confusing, Wilson was approximately 5 of 6 100 yards and a touchdown, so obviously there is a method to the madness.
Haha - there is no doubt I do, but don’t you think the plays are designed for a purpose? And he also did something different on the same plays at different times? I get that the results are most important thing, but am I not allowed to to ask why? Or to analyze it bc there are guys open and may have been more success reading the play more conventionally! I want to learn and help give others something to look for… but it’s ok as a fan to just want results, I’m not mad at that!
@@kurtwarnerqbc I'm not saying that you can't ask why, I just think the implication that he can't or isn't reading the defense is weird just because he is immediately getting to a high percentage throw. You can't go broke taking a profit, and barring down and distance considerations, a quick throw to an uncovered back is always a great choice. As far as the progression goes, if they aren't covering one of your players, you would just throw them ball, right? If you went into a game and you knew that the defense was not going to cover Marshall Faulk, the progression wouldn't really matter would it? Faulk would end the day with 11 catches and 120 yards(100 yards of RAC). If he were only hitting checkdowns , or forcing it to covered checkdowns that would be bad. In this game specifically he targeted every section of the field. Overall I think he was very aggressive, when you sprinkle in those quick throws to the back it seems like it would really put the linebackers in a bind. I say this all respectfully, I appreciate your content and career.
Russ is watching the LB and reading free yards and first downs. Look how many times the LB drops 5-10 yards immediately and Najee and Warren are open with room to run. The three RBs had 13 catches for 146 yards. That’s easy.
I dont think we can sit here in good faith and question someone's processing, when theres 16 people ever to walk this earth who have thrown for more yards than him. And 11 who've thrown for more TDs. He was in complete control at the line, he knew exactly what play to get into. Thats what stood out to me more than anything. Russ's entire play style is hes not going to lose the game for you. I get why it can be frustrating for a HoF QB like you Kurt. But thats what makes this game so beautiful, theres more than one way to play QB! Creating with your legs is almost a necessity in this age. Rodgers relied on it more than people think. And after injury hes lost that part of his game. DL/LBs have never been faster, you cant get by on just processing alone. Yea Tom did it, but hes Tom. He also brought his playbook down there to Tampa. This is Russ's 5th Offense in 5 consecutive years. So yeah take the checkdown and get to it right away for 6 a pop, aslong as the chains are moving and we're burning clock thats a win. And when its 4th Quarter go be the best version of you. Which even in Denver last year he was the #1 rated QB in the 4th Q. And since he came back hes still the #1 rated QB in the 4th. Pick your spots through 3 Qs and turn it on in the 4th. Perplexing I know, but you cant deny its a winning formula that Pete obviously engraved in him while in Seattle.
Tomlin has a different game plan for QBs than most, the linebackers are dropping 10 yards in Tampa 2. Means Russ has to dart every ball and makes it hard to throw over the top. He’s throwing underneath to force the linebackers to have to push up and protect the check downs. It opens up things like posts over top, go balls on the sidelines and keeps the defense guessing. My guess would be it was designed check downs, Russ has great pocket presence in this game and getting the ball out quick minimizes the effort of the Oline (who have been hit or miss this year). Tomlin has always had a get the ball in playmakers hands mentality and the check downs gives Najee the opportunity to run downhill on their secondary (a dream for any power HB). When we need it we go for it when we don’t we play conservative. Don’t put Russ in a position to make a bad play if he doesn’t have to. One of Russel’s biggest criticisms is that he holds the ball. Might have been a point of emphasis to get the ball out quick and not the let the NFL’s sack leader exploit you. Offense isn’t Super Bowl caliber so I think that’s why you see poor detail in the routes as well. Guys getting away with running poor routes. Maybe also why Russ doesn’t trust some guys in the seam. Overall Steelers are a conservative offense, they aren’t taking insane shots every play and trying to fit tight windows, they play winning football. Run the ball and use play action to fool a defense into giving you chunk plays. Cincy just seemed like they knew they needed to score and were more willing to take shots to keep up with burrow. To your point when you consistently make the same decisions a team can scheme against you, probably why burrow coughed up the ball twice and had a worse day than Russ.
I do have a question. Russ seems to be one of the most heavily criticized QBs for his play style. How he gets to his reads and the decisions he makes seem to perplex not just you but other former professional QBs. But when you really look at Russ’s body of work he really does seem to be one of the most consistent QBs this league has seen year after year. If he played 17 games at the level he is playing right now he would end the season with 4600 yards 31 total TDs and a 104 passer rating. Which is on par with his career averages. My question is what makes him able to perform like that year in and year out even though the professional analysts and ex QBs seem to take issue with his play style? Love the channel Kurt!
@ It’s just weird that someone who has a play style that is disliked amongst what seems like most of QBs that have played in NFL can have such a consistent career. Russ’s average 17 game season in the NFL is 4,000 yards 30TDs and 100 passer rating. I don’t understand what is so disliked about how he plays because is obviously works.
Russ had a career game and getting nit picked. 10 completions to the RBs for 110 yards and he's getting criticized for it. Obviously they seen something they could exploit
first of the all every play you showed down field receivers blanketed he throwing too the checkdowns because that the plays artie calling why force down field shots when my rb can get 12+ yards after the catch which also open up the deep shots it make 0 sense !!!!
Kurt has valid points and he disclaimed that he’s not in the QB room. Kurt is a HOF QB that can read defenses at a high level and he is telling it as he sees it. He’s right about the lack of details with the WR. Pickens is so talented but drives us crazy on loose route running. Russell has always been off script as a QB but he is athletic enough to execute. Steelers are the right fit and hopefully we go deep in the playoffs this time.
Pittsburgh ran more 5 man protections this game than they did all season. I think the check downs were a deliberate strategy to slow down the pass rush. I say this because Russ W is a short QB that rarely uses the middle of the field. But watch the center always turn his guy off to the side and give Russ a throwing lane straight to the RB that just released thru that gap.
Silly breakdown. I’ve watched every snap of his career. They’re taking the easy check down and building for the big down the field plays. Taking advantage of the Bengals poor tackling and keeps the D guessing. Not looking for the intermediate it’s patience that almost always paid off and in this case it did.
Hés reading the middle linebackers bail out of the middle. He knows he has the mismatch with Harris or Warren. Its clear to me they wanted to feed the middle of the field.
Most of those check downs Kurt didn’t like went for solid yardage…especially that 1st one to Najee was like 20yrds or so. So Russ sees the game differently than you. He clearly is doing something very right, as he has been a major catalyst for the entire Steelers team.
I like Kurt Warner but this sounds like plain hate to me. Russ is actually playing well and his team is winning. If he takes chances he is being a gunslinger. If he takes check downs and get this they are CONVERTING and getting 1st downs....he is not letting play developed. Russ had over +400 yards and he is winning. How about you criticize Aaron Rodgers who keeps losing, but you don't 🤔make that make sense! It feels like you are trying to paint a narrative. Not cool and to compare a Super Bowl winning quarterback, 9 time Pro Bowler, 40 NFL 4th quarter comebacks tied with John Elway, you have only 11 game winning drives...So comparing Russ to your son who no disrespect hasn't done remotely anything close to Russ is just condescending and dick move period. As long as Mike Tomlin know what he is doing and happy with it thats good enough for me. Remember you were the same one who thought Justin Fields should stay QB1.
I look at the short throws as an extension of the run game. Think about it, the all go routes occupies the linebackers and Harris leaks out with a box with zero backers in there. If you look into the analytics I’m sure these plays average more yards than their run game. It helps Harris be more productive too. And you never go broke taking a profit as well. Not all QB’s play the same and think the game the same, this is great coaching because it adapts the plays to the QB’s strength. Gotta be more open minded I think and understand your personnel
Certainly on the first dump off, it was either 2nd 5 or 3 and 5, so taking that easy throw for the first down is much better than throwing the out route, which as you see when Russ threw that out route the next time, it was off target. He has a good oline now, but in Seattle and to lesser extent in Denver, he had olinemen on skates or getting beat at the snap far too often, so he still has a sped up internal clock that will never get to most reads, and so he adjusted his game to fit that. In a way, Russ's non traditional style can make things hard on a lot of defenses.
Not only that but Russell is known for not throwing to the middle of the field, height is a factor. So the defenses know this and cover the sidelines heavier. Looks like the Steelers know the defenses know, and Arthur Smith is countering that by forcing defenses to respect the middle of the field
Doubt Kurt reads these but here's why i think Russell might read it that way. If you throw a wrap concept, that hitch isn't a checkdown, it's the read, and if the defender drops back too much just throw the hitch If you have a hi lo concept to the sideline and the flat defender gets depth, easy, just throw the flat, a flat route is often run at even less depth than a checkdown hook/hitch but because it's a "checkdown" he shouldn't throw it quick,, seam/hook isn't quite a wrap concept but I still think it's a fine read It looks to me like it's the read, if that mlb keeps dropping, read it like a wrap concept and just throw the hitch, almost akin to landing body blows, they get sick of it being completed and those lb start to get way less depth, that makes the S responsible for a lot more area and that's when Russell took that downfield shot to Pickens Also when he threw that big in, the lb were tight to the Los more Thank you Kurt for the breakdowns
In really appreciate the commentary. I wonder if the answer to your question about his process might simply be: Russ has been much criticized for holding onto the ball too long. So Arthur Smith may be coaching him to act more quickly, and to turn to his check downs if he has any confusion or doubt whatsoever about how his routes are developing. I think the aim might be simply to change Russ' default setting, which has been to wait and see what develops. Once he becomes more comfortable with this, it would then be appropriate to shift the emphasis of coaching toward taking more opportunities downfield.
I don't understand how Kurt Warner of all people can't seem to understand that maybe the gameplan was to exploit that soft zone in the middle of the field. And that it could all be precipated on the pre snap read. At the game, it was very obvious to me and all the Bengals fans around me that this was a clear strategy the Steelers were implementing.
Kurt is out here praising his son at qb who has done nothing at the professional level but he’s gonna rip on a guy who’s top 8 in the nfl right now and a first ballot hall of famer. Makes a whole lot of sense
Also, do a break down on why Sean Payton-who suppose to be an elite coach/and Drew Breeze who suppose to be an elite Qb only had 1 Super Bowl appearance and several under 500 seasons.
They were killing Cincy with those check downs.. Russ would be absolutely killing it if he stayed in the pocket one second longer on some plays to see someone pop open deeper.. He still had a great game, though.
Wow I'd never checked out chase Daniels before, but he has a completely opposite reaction to the second play, and honestly it looks to be more correct than Kurt. Russell throws a check down to keep the defense covering the middle of the field, because defenses already know Russel prefers throwing the sidelines Sorry Kurt I'm unsubbing after a couple years, just looking for the most accurate information
It perplexes you because Pittsburgh has the best ball control in the NFL...nearly 33 minutes possession time per game. They've designed their offense to control the time. Cincinnati gave up the middle of the field ALL day. The outside runners opened up the middle. The middle then opened the deep ball.
It’s funny because as a Christian you are going out of your way to rip another Christian that is being successful. Why is that?? What am I missing?? Because you know God can make him successful despite what you think? It’s not like you didn’t have some questionable years in NY and the end of the Rams. You should understand more than anyone. Another thing you failed to mention to the people is how successful those check downs were and how much YAC we had. So now your son is playing QB better than Russ?? WOW
year 2024 must admit it was a struggle listening to a ole QB totally shit on a Russ mater piece that had the goat Tom Brady super giddy calling his performance a true PG one, Russ is a tireless worker studies the game tape relentlessly So if his process is different from what you was taught way back when lol omg what a terrible crime ahah just maybe his eyes are his biggest strenght and he uses it effectively or as you like to frame it confusingly ahaha maybe the check downs was a large component of the game plan A cause bengals sold out to stop the run early B They are some of the worst tackling units in he league C them moving around their p rushers to find more success and him playing behind 3 rookie O linemen D staying ahead of the sticks 3rd and manageable while keeping burrow offense on the sidelines jjust maybe ahaha Maybe dictating what the defs does early and forcing their hand so he knows exactly what they are going to run in the 4th where games are won is a component to his so elaborately confusing process haha how beautiful he dissects the quarters coverage in the 4th knowing when they are bluffing and not oh wait he can not do that thats not right he must be confusingly guessing haha btw calling this a analysis or breakdown without highlighting a single audible which he did masterfully throughout the game is dishonest at best remember its 2024 you or sean p or others. a like are not masters of his narrative his process his reads etc everything is not to be understood until maybe 2034 when and if he choose to release a book on it ahaha until then the classy thing would be wait patiently and refrain from slander and misleading the easily trusted public
I think he’s using the fact that teams over play Pickins and putting things on film to sting teams come playoffs like a rope a dope type play is all for film.
I see a QB doing things you could not do and a video showing you are completely biased, looking for cheap clicks, promoting your son lol, and wasting our time. los of respect and the last video you do I waste my time on.
I am all for the constructive criticism as it gives you multiple perspectives. But the passive aggressive jab around 5:30 stating "It's either he doesn't know what the read is or..." is a glaring admission by Kurt that he bought into the Sean Payton's stereotyping of RW that he's not intelligent enough to process his complex playbook. It's dog whistling at best.
Kurt I think your son played great and will be an amazing qb, and you were an amazing qb in your own right. But I understand exactly what Russ is seeing. The game plan was to take what was given to him. In the first half, the defense left checkdowns wide open. In the second half, the defense tightened down and he threw over the top. I think you fail to see the forest for the trees. Tom brady won 7 superbowls throwing checkdowns every play. Russ understands its more important not to turn the ball over than risk putting it in harms way for what may be 5-10 yards more a play.
If you say so, I can buy that… just explain to me why he attacks downfield on some and not others? I’m here to know… that’s the part that confuses me! If he did it all the time one way or another I could buy this is why, but from play to play makes no sense to me?
You can't throw down field every single play.... Jameis Winston did that in Tampa and threw 30 ints and went 7-9. Mixing in the short and the long keeps the defense guessing, sets up the long ball, and reduces the risk of turnovers
Kurt, you were ok, but you were not that guy really!! The Bengals were giving up the middle of the field. Because, the defense was scared of the moon 🏈! They didn't want to give up the big plays. And, so you take what the defense gives you obviously!!
Y'all have to realize that Kurt Warner has been away from the game for quite some time. It's evident in his breakdowns that the details of today's game are much different than when he was playing. He was great in his day, but today's schematics are a bit above his knowledge level.
Every play you showed has the same common thread. He’s not reading coverage to “find the open guy” he’s reading leverage to “find RAC” which target provides the best opportunity for RAC.
1:45 is pretty obvious. He's paying the gaps by reading the DE. The first play at 0:05, the DE is committing to the outside gap, which is going to allow for a pocket he can step up into. At 1:45, he sees the DE is committing to the same gap but when the ball is snapped at 1:47 he sees the DE stunting to the inside gap. The protection isn't there to throw the out AND the middle is wide open as all the DBs have committed to the outside. If you can't see that, then you are not trying to analyze the play, you're just trying to criticize the man.
What if they were throwing all those checkdowns in the first half to get the defense to bite up a little bit and open up the deep ball more in the second half?
That check down was the right choice on that umbrella coverage, The middle of the field was wide open and Najee was able to get more yards than either the 1 or 2 would’ve been able to get.
So u honestly think he comes back that quickly and sees everything and knows the checkdown is wide open? Like honestly do u feel he knows exactly what he doing on those plays when he has other plays that are exactly the same and he does something different? I really want to know… and you could be 100% right, I said as much in my video, but it makes no sense in my mind! And Brady won championships throwing short passes NOT checkdowns, they are different things!
Don’t like giving my boys away, but the backer was the read, they know the deep ball is always there. Russ needs to work the short field, while getting Najee the ball in space, with smaller defenders to beat. So we don’t care where the receivers are going as long as they run their guy off the ball. Then we hit it over the top when they take the short field away.
Speed of the game and it’s a sure 1st down. Worked all game long so why not use it as strategy? Acting like a check down for a huge chuck of yardage is a bad thing or that he’s not reading the defense well. I think he read it very well as Najee was wide open on every single one of those for miles.
Fascinating to watch Jekyll and Hyde QB. Seems like his beautiful throws are immediate 1 read yes or no decisions he makes near snap. The seams and outside go routes against zero and cover 2 especially.
It was intentional to go to quick check down against that defense. Clearly it was good scheming because it went for 5+ yards everytime with one going for 25 or so.
Russell has found his place right here in Pittsburgh...some times it takes awhile to find where you belong...so happy he found it here in Steelers Nation 😊
OMG, Kurt kick rocks. Maybe he is trying to get everyone involved and get everyone hot to close the season. Those dumps are run plays I watched them fail in 2 4 and 1 last lost. And Russ was top 10 QB last year stop this madness and they beat winning teams like chiefs and Bills. It’s crazy how much criticism that Rus gets whe n the only QB in the league that has been to more Superbowls is Mahomes. Stop this madness
@ winning is QB stat right. Wilson not a lot of passing your but 3 td against the chiefs. It not his fault his oline was trash and chief D was great last year. Mahomes had 2 picks Russ had none. He got his team the W period. Besides, we all know Payton was trying to sabotage Rus. What about Miami scoring 70 on the Broncos. I guess that was Wilson fault too🤣🤣🤣 what haters. Guy has been to 2 superbowls where is the respect? How many superbowls Josh Allen been 2 or the rest of the league ??? Unbelievable
@@YourMachines Russ did enough to win those games. I can name several Qb's who aren't Able to win games no matter what the defense does. This is why so many people are fooled by the so-called elite Qb's who can't even make Superbowl appearances. Brady himself recently said its not about Stats but being able to close out a game
@kurtwarnerqbc this is really insightful. Is it fair to say that you think if a quarterback that knows what they are doing is placed in the same situation multiple times they will always make the same throw, because it is optimal? Were there ever times that you did not go through your progression because you liked a particular matchup?
This is crazy. Russ literally threw the ball everywhere and to different receivers. Kurt I think you’re dragging it. You wouldn’t say nun of this if that was Mahomes
I could be wrong, but I think i remember watching or reading that the Steelers had identified a wrinkle in the Bengals coverages where that dump off the the back over the middle was going to be open a lot, so I think Russ was just looking for that as part of the game plan
you're not wrong, the Steelers absolutely had a game plan to exploit the Bengals coverage over the middle.
FACTS!!!
you heard exactly right... TONY ROMO spoke EXACTLY to your observation and point. Seem like this ex-QB is "missing" what others are getting including play by play ex pr QB---Romo. Surprised at this fellow's breathless displayed confusion? Most folks "posting" seem to "get it" like ex-QB Romo.
@@NativeBlackAmericanTv Romo doesn't have time to do this kind of analysis during a broadcast. There's a lot more mentioned here by Warner than the checkdown to the middle. There are all sorts of things he points out that make no sense. Wilson not even looking to the right side of the field considering the coverage. Wilson giving up on a play before it even starts and he's ready to take off without any pressure on him. Warner also mentions about the checkdown that "maybe that's what he's being told" at 20:25. He isn't discounting that idea at all. He just looks at the plays and wonders why he's not even looking. And while he refuses to hit the plays he should most of the time, he rips those throws others. Warner knows what he's talking about. He checked down a RB to the left before the WRs were even out of their routes. Then he's throwing a bullet through a seam. Beautiful passes. It's the inconsistency in when he takes those throws and when he bails on them.
I was here to comment the exact same thing. Steelers found a weakness in the middle and they kept exploiting all game.... So this was done by purpose not because Russ didn't understand what he saw.
For a guy who had Marshall Faulk, a RB who led the league in receiving yards almost every year, you seem to be complaining about “check downs” a lot.
Watched Chase Daniel’s breakdown of Russ, then followed up with this, Kurt’s review. It’s like they are watching two different QB’s.
Kurt’s a joke haha
Also, Tom Brady-the goat made Russ his top player of the week.
@@The_Great_Darino I saw the same thing. Chase kept it a buck✌️
Literally in the midst of this. Hater glasses have a serious glare!
Also JT from The Quarterback School channel also liked Russ's selections. Kurt apparently is still upset about the SB
I saw a genius QB at work. You not understanding what’s going on only proves just how BRILLIANT Russell is. To God be the glory.
Is it possible that Russ is Praying and asking God step by step as he reads the coverages? Praise the LORD. He threw for over 400 yards and 3 TDs. I am a little disappointed in Kurt’s analysis… Kurt you love the LORD right? proverbs 3:5
To God be the Glory!
Kurt Wilson, do you know Jesus as Your Lord and Savior? John 3:16
crazy that Russ has thrown almost double your career TD passes and 100 less INTs with a 100 passer rating for his career without "seeing the field". I wonder how much Sean Payton pays yall to push this narrative while his offense this year got statistically worse without Russ
No kidding.
Warner is a BIG Sean Payton supporter.
I get sometimes people clash but the disrespect Sean has displayed to Russ is disgusting. He slandered him to numerous people around the league. This is why you see people like Kirk making film study as this. Sean an overrated coach who had several under whelming seasons with -the peoples anointed QB, Drew Breeze
Yeah all these guys are jokes ha Orlovsky as well. I love when the media has so much to say about a player that they couldn’t touch as far as skill and level of play.
Kurt thinks EJ is better than Russ
@@send6pray this comment right here has nailed it. Sean must be seething that Russ is flourishing without him.
He’s taking the check down to Najee because he had a wide open running back with 10 yards of space ahead of him. His best ball is the deep ball, and you’re criticizing him for taking open looks that turned into first downs?????
Crazy haha these guys all just wanna hate Russ for some reason. Dan Orlovsky is the same way. Comes off as jealous and bitter ha Orlovsky couldn’t hold Russ’ jock strap and Kurt Warner had like one year that was on Russell’s level
Also because it was part of the game plan against Cincy. Cincy is bad at defending the shallow middle of the field. I can't believe Warner who was a pro QB doesn't understand this. It's not a check down... it's designed to go to Najee.
Nope he is saying that isnt the first read..a Check down is the last resort not option A which is open but he never sees it because he cant read a defense.
@@caseycoady3063Russ can’t read a defense, ? lol
@@rohanjoseph9829 Narrative they love to use for certain QB's. However, his teammates says something else.
Kurt Warner career stats: 32,000Yrds 208TD 128INT 93.7Passer RTG
Russell Wilson career stats: 45,000Yrds 344TD 109INT 100Passer RTG
I'm thinking Kurt probably shouldn't be throwing shade at Russell Wilson's "processing."
Oh stop, Kurt is a HoFer man
Kurt wasnt in the league until he was nearly 30. he is and was the FAR superior QB. HOFer vs HO"MEH"R That Seahawks team hs 5-6 rings if Kurt was the QB
Styles make QBz, Russ and Kurt mastered their systems, Kurt’s offense and the players that he had at his disposal……come on now
@@caseycoady3063 Kurt is the far superior QB? That is extremely laughable, Russ is easily not even close better. Kurt Warner played with Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, and left tackle Orlando Pace on the "Greatest show on Turf". 3 of those 4 player I mentioned are in the Hall of Fame. Who has Russ played with on offense that are HOFers? Maybe 2, Marshawn Lynch and Jimmy Graham but they are both not certified definent locks although I think Marshawn will get in at least and Russ didn't play with them on the same teams and both of them Russ only had for 3 out of his 10 seasons on Seattle. Kurt also in his amazing 2001 "Greatest show on Turf" year threw 36 touchdowns and 22 interceptions with 3 other HOFers on the offense. Russ has thrown in a season with 0 HOFers on offense but himself (2020) threw 40 touchdowns. Russ has also never come close to throwing 22 picks in a season. Russ is not a question for the HOF like you just tried saying he is, Russ is a certified 1st ballot HOF lock from just his Seahawks career alone and he is still playing so he could make it even more of a lock. Kurt Warner most definitely would not have won 5-6 rings with that Seahawks team, he would have won 0. The amount of glaze I just witnessed from you is actually a joke.
@@caseycoady3063 yeah I mean Kurt is a dawg but let's cool it on the "Hall of Meh" talk
Russ is an easy first ballot guy
When is the Russ hate going to end?
I want everyone to pay attention to the difference between Warner's analysis of Wilson at 2:07, and his analysis of a very similar play executed by Jared Goff and the Lions in different circumstances at ruclips.net/video/9e5FxbdhP54/видео.htmlfeature=shared&t=193
Russ (25 yard gain on 3rd and 2): "But you see, Russ is already throwing it to his check down right here....this is the Russell Wilson that I saw the last couple years in Denver, the Russell Wilson that would almost not see anything down the field"
Goff (19 yard gain on 3rd and 26): "But you see, Jared Goff is already throwing this football, and that's what I love, is, he knows exactly where his eyes need to go......boom, hook defender gets depth, I'm just going to dump it off and get a positive play and we're going to rock and roll"
So when Russ takes the virtually guaranteed completion for a first down and much more on 3rd and 2, Kurt is talking about how he isn't seeing anything down the field, but when Goff checks it down on 3rd and 26 in a situation where the defense is happy to give him that check down, it's "that's what I love" and "we're going to rock and roll".....i.e. punt lol.
Sickening hate
Russ has a low int rate the way he plays. Actually played in 2 Super-bowls. 1 bad play from winning 2. Yet these people are always running their chops. LOL
Good point and very disappointing for Kurt….
You didn’t even give props to that 3rd down zero blitz where he hit the post. Russ did so much work presnap on that play. Sees the blitz, motions the tight end to block. Forces the safety to take the RB as his responsibility. Motions the RB left, saftey flips sides. Whole play on defense is jumbled because of Russ pre snap. But he doesn’t know what he’s doing right Kurt? Why does everyone treat Russ like he’s a child. Man won a SB
Appeared in 2. One bad pass from winning the Second ring
I have the answer but are you ready for it.
@@justicejohnson1537 LOL...THEY AIN'T READY
@@SamsP.O.V-hd7rb more of a good play by a defense who prepared for that play. So sad RW was the best player on the field for that game. Seahawks just beat themselves.
Criticizing a person throwing for 3 td and 400 yards passing is nasty work 😂
i know right 😂😂,
Douchy
This is my first and last time watching his podcast. I didn’t know he was such a hater.
Yeah, I am looking up Kurt's 400 yard 3 td games
Kurt had 4 400+ passing yard games. It's hard for me cus Big Ben had 3 500+ games?
How insulting. Basically insinuating that this man can’t process what he sees in his 13th season in the league. You always do this whenever you discuss him. His style of play is different than yours was but that doesn’t make his wrong. Can’t even critique him without being low key negative.
one was drafted and the other was bagging groceries
Just downvote video. First and last video I'm watching of this guy.
Exactly! He doesn't like Russ. I'm not going to speculate why as I haven't seen enough media on Kurt Warner talking about him.
The level of disrespect in this breakdown is unacceptable.
Maybe Kurt's critiques were warranted after all??
What I'm seeing is Wilson having an incredibly talented team around him, that his "poor" choices still turn out positive, and his good plays turn out great. At least against a bad defense like the Bengals.
It's obvious, Warner doesn't like RW's playing style.
Doesn't matter. RW is a Top 3 QB in TD/INT ratio in the history of NFL football.
I think, I'll just trust in Russ.
Yeah if only Kurt was out there he would’ve made ALL the “right” reads. Even though Russ lead them to 44 points…haha
when you throw dump offs all day long you are going to have great looking stats. Pay attention to all the 3 and outs Russ leads the Steelers through.
Kurt is usually spot on, but everyone swings and misses.
@@caseycoady3063 he has the highest yards per attempt the in the league now it’s all checkdowns 😂 get off the burner Sean Payton your career is over buddy
@@QuickHittinEmWarner IS right on. He showed both Wilson's skill in making plays, BUT he also showed how he doesn't run an offense well. Wilson IS NOT PRECISE! That can work, if he fights to extend then make plays. (Which is what Wilson is known for) But if you want a QB that understands an offense and executes that offense....go get Bo Nix.
The fact that a hall of famer, is unable to break down russ' "process", hence predictably in film, is an obvious advantage for russ, in the opposition not getting clues from film study, it seems to me
@@endcorruptio I like that lol
Kurt, He would have 800 yards if he made all the plays your talking🤣🤣🤣. And stop saying Russ was bad last year. He was not.
Those weren't check down passes Kurt, he immediately exploited a flaw in Clevelands defense for playing too deep
Seriously haha first time I’ve heard criticism of something that’s working…it’s almost like it’s not about what he is doing but WHO is doing it. Russ hate isn’t a new thing
@billyconley1515 I'm not sure why Kurt needs Russ to look somewhere else if Cincy kept giving him the underneath middle on 1st and 2nd downs for great yardage to the point the Steelers only seen nine 3rd downs and punted once
Russell gets criticized for holding onto the ball a lot, so I can't criticize him being quick to a checkdown with as many YAC that he got vs the Bengals. The defense crept up in the second half to take away the checkdowns, which led to more deep shots. What seems like a missed read to some looks like strategy to me. Almost as if he's setting up bigger plays later on. It explains why he turns over the ball less than a lot of traditional quarterbacks. Will he check down, scramble, take a deep shot, throw over the middle? Who knows. As a short QB it makes him less predictable. Russell is an instinctual player.
I also think Russ is very good pre-snap. So he knows where he's going based on the coverage and gets the ball out quickly. He makes a lot of audibles at the line based on what he sees pre-snap. I think if he took Kurt's advice it might lead to more interceptions. His approach works for him even if it's unorthodox.
He's short. So it's clear that this is his strategy to get the ball out quickly and depend on his guys to make a play which they did. It's also why he uses more players because he just goes to the open guy.
He is Hitting the most open guys as quickly as possible and letting his playmakers make plays. Pretty much what he said himself after the game.
Russ was in a no win situation with an egomaniac coach last year.
I think Warner can learn from Russ.
Kurt, strange how others praised his check down to 22 at 2:26 because of the coverage. He and Arthur Smith probably knew the middle of the field was available to be gashed. Other QBs analyzing this game seems to have understood it. Maybe you checkout JT's QB School breakdown for the clarification you are seeking....
How does Russell's career passing stats compares to Kurt Warner's career stats?
@2:35 because najee is naked, no one within 10 yards to make a play on him.
Yes I know that but you don’t usually notice that at the snap, I’m not saying it didn’t work, but it’s just weird when a player doesn’t even look downfield and throws right to checkdown! But as I said maybe it’s something they talked about before hand… but I’ve actually been watching it for a couple years & that’s why I’m interested in his process!
Ok fair enough, playing back full speed he does get to Najee incredibly fast. As a fan, not a former player, it is difficult to question good/great results but I understand your point.
@@kurtwarnerqbcit’s because he recognized that it was palms coverage, he kept changing and checking plays at the line because he realized what they were in so he knew the quick check down would destroy Cincinnati’s defense
Yep. Najee has the mailbox up as soon as he clears the line of scrimmage. They must have had a read they saw on film that if both of those linebackers turn and run to the sidelines like that, they're getting it out quick to Najee and let a safety-type go try and make an open field tackle on that guy with a 10 yard head start. I kinda wish he lowered the shoulder there rather than cut laterally. But either way I'll take it vs a 7-yard out to Pickens going out of bounds.
@@kurtwarnerqbc The Bengals were bailing out of the short middle in certain coverages until early in the 3rd quarter. Russ was 10/10 for 146 yards to throws there, but none after the first drive in the 3rd. Why you find it odd is because the 1st read was actually the Back. He checked a couple of Alerts, but it was basically the standard 4 Vert Checkdown for 5 yards as a base play.
Because of not having much Shotgun Play Action installed for Fields, the Steelers also found something of the same approach early in the season with their Under Center Play Action. It's an uncommon way of generating a "run game", but it's worked all year. Once the Bengals had to cover the short middle, it also opened up the seams a lot more later in the game.
Alot of reasons why, one is that russ has been getting sacked and hit alot, and moving to the quick soft spot check down when available more, helps the oline, and decreases chances of injury to russ, and insures staying ahead of the chains. Im sure kirt knows there,are many reasons why. This film study is perplexing
Another thing with Russ is he is very calculated when it comes to risk. He’s not the type of QB to throw 17, 18, or 22 ints in a year like a specific QB..why take a risk when the bengals can’t stop a check down? Maybe Kurt could’ve used this technique in his playing days!
I see a QB trying to get the ball out on time to help out his oline that struggles at times to protect him. Russ was criticized for taking too many sacks, the clock in his head is moving quickly.
He took the check down the first time bc it was wide open for more yards than the out route would’ve been. He took the out route the second time clearly bc the check down was more covered lol 😂 for this to be a hall of fame qb this breakdown was ….. perplexing..
Bro Kurt your Wilson hating is disappointing. Dude he threw 414yds 3 TDs and you are full of criticism
Against a bad D. Do the critiques make sense now, 3 weeks later?
Everybody downvote this video....I'm downvoting all crazy critiques of Russell Wilson
I can't believe what I'm hearing. This guy was a great QB. Kurt everyone see that the back was wide open with no one within 10 yards. We see it.
Lol. He wants him to throw only to certain players lol
Strange? All the other Wilson film breakdowns say he is playing great and reading great, confusing
Is he still?
Hey Kurt. 13:17, since you ask. If I’m reading this, i cannot assume that the second read on the left isn’t cover 2 as well, which isn’t going to work for that route combo. That 3rd read would have blown up at that point if Russ waited. I’m taking that check down quick, getting yards and fighting another day.
I understand what Kurt is trying to convey, but the fact of the matter is that Prime Russ in his Seattle years was never a classic pocket passer such as Brady , Manning, or Marinio ect. He was an athletic quarterback who could scramble and extend the play. In his prime, his scrambling ability was parallel to Fran Tarkenton . The TD pass to Pat was a prime example..
There is saying, that there are many ways to skin a cat. Wilson has 1 less Superbowl ring than Manning. So, I'm not understanding Kirks point
Seems like warner evaluates guys based on how similarly their style is to his. On the plays that he finds confusing, Wilson was approximately 5 of 6 100 yards and a touchdown, so obviously there is a method to the madness.
Haha - there is no doubt I do, but don’t you think the plays are designed for a purpose? And he also did something different on the same plays at different times? I get that the results are most important thing, but am I not allowed to to ask why? Or to analyze it bc there are guys open and may have been more success reading the play more conventionally! I want to learn and help give others something to look for… but it’s ok as a fan to just want results, I’m not mad at that!
@@kurtwarnerqbc I'm not saying that you can't ask why, I just think the implication that he can't or isn't reading the defense is weird just because he is immediately getting to a high percentage throw. You can't go broke taking a profit, and barring down and distance considerations, a quick throw to an uncovered back is always a great choice.
As far as the progression goes, if they aren't covering one of your players, you would just throw them ball, right? If you went into a game and you knew that the defense was not going to cover Marshall Faulk, the progression wouldn't really matter would it? Faulk would end the day with 11 catches and 120 yards(100 yards of RAC).
If he were only hitting checkdowns , or forcing it to covered checkdowns that would be bad. In this game specifically he targeted every section of the field. Overall I think he was very aggressive, when you sprinkle in those quick throws to the back it seems like it would really put the linebackers in a bind.
I say this all respectfully, I appreciate your content and career.
@@kurtwarnerqbc stop going off what sean payton told you in a broadcast meeting before the pats game, that man hated him from day one.
Russ is watching the LB and reading free yards and first downs. Look how many times the LB drops 5-10 yards immediately and Najee and Warren are open with room to run. The three RBs had 13 catches for 146 yards. That’s easy.
I dont think we can sit here in good faith and question someone's processing, when theres 16 people ever to walk this earth who have thrown for more yards than him. And 11 who've thrown for more TDs. He was in complete control at the line, he knew exactly what play to get into. Thats what stood out to me more than anything.
Russ's entire play style is hes not going to lose the game for you. I get why it can be frustrating for a HoF QB like you Kurt. But thats what makes this game so beautiful, theres more than one way to play QB! Creating with your legs is almost a necessity in this age. Rodgers relied on it more than people think. And after injury hes lost that part of his game. DL/LBs have never been faster, you cant get by on just processing alone. Yea Tom did it, but hes Tom. He also brought his playbook down there to Tampa. This is Russ's 5th Offense in 5 consecutive years. So yeah take the checkdown and get to it right away for 6 a pop, aslong as the chains are moving and we're burning clock thats a win.
And when its 4th Quarter go be the best version of you. Which even in Denver last year he was the #1 rated QB in the 4th Q. And since he came back hes still the #1 rated QB in the 4th. Pick your spots through 3 Qs and turn it on in the 4th. Perplexing I know, but you cant deny its a winning formula that Pete obviously engraved in him while in Seattle.
How to explain you don't know what's being asked of a QB in an offensive system while making a whole video to irritate everyone who watches it.
Tomlin has a different game plan for QBs than most, the linebackers are dropping 10 yards in Tampa 2. Means Russ has to dart every ball and makes it hard to throw over the top. He’s throwing underneath to force the linebackers to have to push up and protect the check downs. It opens up things like posts over top, go balls on the sidelines and keeps the defense guessing. My guess would be it was designed check downs, Russ has great pocket presence in this game and getting the ball out quick minimizes the effort of the Oline (who have been hit or miss this year). Tomlin has always had a get the ball in playmakers hands mentality and the check downs gives Najee the opportunity to run downhill on their secondary (a dream for any power HB). When we need it we go for it when we don’t we play conservative. Don’t put Russ in a position to make a bad play if he doesn’t have to. One of Russel’s biggest criticisms is that he holds the ball. Might have been a point of emphasis to get the ball out quick and not the let the NFL’s sack leader exploit you. Offense isn’t Super Bowl caliber so I think that’s why you see poor detail in the routes as well. Guys getting away with running poor routes. Maybe also why Russ doesn’t trust some guys in the seam. Overall Steelers are a conservative offense, they aren’t taking insane shots every play and trying to fit tight windows, they play winning football. Run the ball and use play action to fool a defense into giving you chunk plays. Cincy just seemed like they knew they needed to score and were more willing to take shots to keep up with burrow. To your point when you consistently make the same decisions a team can scheme against you, probably why burrow coughed up the ball twice and had a worse day than Russ.
I do have a question. Russ seems to be one of the most heavily criticized QBs for his play style. How he gets to his reads and the decisions he makes seem to perplex not just you but other former professional QBs. But when you really look at Russ’s body of work he really does seem to be one of the most consistent QBs this league has seen year after year. If he played 17 games at the level he is playing right now he would end the season with 4600 yards 31 total TDs and a 104 passer rating. Which is on par with his career averages. My question is what makes him able to perform like that year in and year out even though the professional analysts and ex QBs seem to take issue with his play style? Love the channel Kurt!
Yeah I really would like Kurt to go over his play style in depth. I have had the same question for years
@ It’s just weird that someone who has a play style that is disliked amongst what seems like most of QBs that have played in NFL can have such a consistent career. Russ’s average 17 game season in the NFL is 4,000 yards 30TDs and 100 passer rating. I don’t understand what is so disliked about how he plays because is obviously works.
Notice they don’t have an answer for that?
Russ had a career game and getting nit picked. 10 completions to the RBs for 110 yards and he's getting criticized for it. Obviously they seen something they could exploit
first of the all every play you showed down field receivers blanketed he throwing too the checkdowns because that the plays artie calling why force down field shots when my rb can get 12+ yards after the catch which also open up the deep shots it make 0 sense !!!!
Kurt has valid points and he disclaimed that he’s not in the QB room. Kurt is a HOF QB that can read defenses at a high level and he is telling it as he sees it. He’s right about the lack of details with the WR. Pickens is so talented but drives us crazy on loose route running. Russell has always been off script as a QB but he is athletic enough to execute. Steelers are the right fit and hopefully we go deep in the playoffs this time.
He knows they are one of the worse tackling team so you get one on one with Najee you take it every time disappointed in you Kurt
Pittsburgh ran more 5 man protections this game than they did all season. I think the check downs were a deliberate strategy to slow down the pass rush. I say this because Russ W is a short QB that rarely uses the middle of the field. But watch the center always turn his guy off to the side and give Russ a throwing lane straight to the RB that just released thru that gap.
You're right, the more you think about it the more obvious it is
I just came here from Chase Daniels who gushed about great a game Russell had. go figure
Silly breakdown. I’ve watched every snap of his career. They’re taking the easy check down and building for the big down the field plays. Taking advantage of the Bengals poor tackling and keeps the D guessing. Not looking for the intermediate it’s patience that almost always paid off and in this case it did.
Hés reading the middle linebackers bail out of the middle. He knows he has the mismatch with Harris or Warren. Its clear to me they wanted to feed the middle of the field.
Somehow, I don't think this will age well.
Most of those check downs Kurt didn’t like went for solid yardage…especially that 1st one to Najee was like 20yrds or so. So Russ sees the game differently than you. He clearly is doing something very right, as he has been a major catalyst for the entire Steelers team.
Ummm Kurt, the guy at 2:39 is WIDE open. Nobody is close. Give me that all day
I like Kurt Warner but this sounds like plain hate to me. Russ is actually playing well and his team is winning. If he takes chances he is being a gunslinger. If he takes check downs and get this they are CONVERTING and getting 1st downs....he is not letting play developed. Russ had over +400 yards and he is winning. How about you criticize Aaron Rodgers who keeps losing, but you don't 🤔make that make sense! It feels like you are trying to paint a narrative. Not cool and to compare a Super Bowl winning quarterback, 9 time Pro Bowler, 40 NFL 4th quarter comebacks tied with John Elway, you have only 11 game winning drives...So comparing Russ to your son who no disrespect hasn't done remotely anything close to Russ is just condescending and dick move period. As long as Mike Tomlin know what he is doing and happy with it thats good enough for me. Remember you were the same one who thought Justin Fields should stay QB1.
Kurt you should of asked your peers first before posting this video. It isn't a good look for you.....
I look at the short throws as an extension of the run game. Think about it, the all go routes occupies the linebackers and Harris leaks out with a box with zero backers in there. If you look into the analytics I’m sure these plays average more yards than their run game. It helps Harris be more productive too. And you never go broke taking a profit as well. Not all QB’s play the same and think the game the same, this is great coaching because it adapts the plays to the QB’s strength. Gotta be more open minded I think and understand your personnel
Certainly on the first dump off, it was either 2nd 5 or 3 and 5, so taking that easy throw for the first down is much better than throwing the out route, which as you see when Russ threw that out route the next time, it was off target. He has a good oline now, but in Seattle and to lesser extent in Denver, he had olinemen on skates or getting beat at the snap far too often, so he still has a sped up internal clock that will never get to most reads, and so he adjusted his game to fit that. In a way, Russ's non traditional style can make things hard on a lot of defenses.
Not only that but Russell is known for not throwing to the middle of the field, height is a factor. So the defenses know this and cover the sidelines heavier.
Looks like the Steelers know the defenses know, and Arthur Smith is countering that by forcing defenses to respect the middle of the field
Doubt Kurt reads these but here's why i think Russell might read it that way.
If you throw a wrap concept, that hitch isn't a checkdown, it's the read, and if the defender drops back too much just throw the hitch
If you have a hi lo concept to the sideline and the flat defender gets depth, easy, just throw the flat, a flat route is often run at even less depth than a checkdown hook/hitch but because it's a "checkdown" he shouldn't throw it quick,, seam/hook isn't quite a wrap concept but I still think it's a fine read
It looks to me like it's the read, if that mlb keeps dropping, read it like a wrap concept and just throw the hitch, almost akin to landing body blows, they get sick of it being completed and those lb start to get way less depth, that makes the S responsible for a lot more area and that's when Russell took that downfield shot to Pickens
Also when he threw that big in, the lb were tight to the Los more
Thank you Kurt for the breakdowns
In really appreciate the commentary.
I wonder if the answer to your question about his process might simply be:
Russ has been much criticized for holding onto the ball too long. So Arthur Smith may be coaching him to act more quickly, and to turn to his check downs if he has any confusion or doubt whatsoever about how his routes are developing. I think the aim might be simply to change Russ' default setting, which has been to wait and see what develops. Once he becomes more comfortable with this, it would then be appropriate to shift the emphasis of coaching toward taking more opportunities downfield.
I don't understand how Kurt Warner of all people can't seem to understand that maybe the gameplan was to exploit that soft zone in the middle of the field. And that it could all be precipated on the pre snap read. At the game, it was very obvious to me and all the Bengals fans around me that this was a clear strategy the Steelers were implementing.
Kurt be tripping. Get the ball out your hands. Manage the game. The check down is part of the game.
Kurt Warner is not great at QB . Average and below Russel Wilson as a career.
The biggest difference at 21:47 is there’s no middle check down
Kurt is out here praising his son at qb who has done nothing at the professional level but he’s gonna rip on a guy who’s top 8 in the nfl right now and a first ballot hall of famer. Makes a whole lot of sense
Are you able to do a break down of Josh Allen and why he has never made it to the Super Bowl?
Also, do a break down on why Sean Payton-who suppose to be an elite coach/and Drew Breeze who suppose to be an elite Qb only had 1 Super Bowl appearance and several under 500 seasons.
@@SamsP.O.V-hd7rb meanwhile russ never had a losing season till his last injured year in Seattle 😂😂
An enigma wrapped in a riddle, pulling my hair out😬
They were killing Cincy with those check downs.. Russ would be absolutely killing it if he stayed in the pocket one second longer on some plays to see someone pop open deeper.. He still had a great game, though.
Try chase Daniels break down. A different perspective
Wow I'd never checked out chase Daniels before, but he has a completely opposite reaction to the second play, and honestly it looks to be more correct than Kurt.
Russell throws a check down to keep the defense covering the middle of the field, because defenses already know Russel prefers throwing the sidelines
Sorry Kurt I'm unsubbing after a couple years, just looking for the most accurate information
They can’t scheme for what you’re doing if you don’t know 😂
It perplexes you because Pittsburgh has the best ball control in the NFL...nearly 33 minutes possession time per game. They've designed their offense to control the time. Cincinnati gave up the middle of the field ALL day. The outside runners opened up the middle. The middle then opened the deep ball.
I heard Kurt claim that EJ is better than Russ.
It’s funny because as a Christian you are going out of your way to rip another Christian that is being successful. Why is that?? What am I missing?? Because you know God can make him successful despite what you think? It’s not like you didn’t have some questionable years in NY and the end of the Rams. You should understand more than anyone. Another thing you failed to mention to the people is how successful those check downs were and how much YAC we had. So now your son is playing QB better than Russ?? WOW
year 2024 must admit it was a struggle listening to a ole QB totally shit on a Russ mater piece
that had the goat Tom Brady super giddy calling his performance a true PG one,
Russ is a tireless worker studies the game tape relentlessly
So if his process is different from what you was taught way back when lol
omg what a terrible crime ahah
just maybe his eyes are his biggest strenght and he uses it effectively or as you like to frame it confusingly ahaha
maybe the check downs was a large component of the game plan
A cause bengals sold out to stop the run early
B They are some of the worst tackling units in he league
C them moving around their p rushers to find more success and him playing behind 3 rookie O linemen
D staying ahead of the sticks 3rd and manageable while keeping burrow offense on the sidelines jjust maybe ahaha
Maybe dictating what the defs does early and forcing their hand so he knows exactly what they are going to run in the 4th where games are won is a component to his so elaborately confusing process haha
how beautiful he dissects the quarters coverage in the 4th knowing when they are bluffing and not oh wait he can not do that thats not right he must be confusingly guessing haha
btw calling this a analysis or breakdown without highlighting a single audible which he did masterfully throughout the game is dishonest at best
remember its 2024 you or sean p or others. a like are not masters of his narrative
his process his reads etc everything is not to be understood until maybe 2034 when and if he choose to release a book on it ahaha until then the classy thing would be wait patiently and refrain from slander and misleading the easily trusted public
Whoever is Cincy's DC...they didn't watch a single game of Russ' film from the last 2 years.
I think he’s using the fact that teams over play Pickins and putting things on film to sting teams come playoffs like a rope a dope type play is all for film.
I see a QB doing things you could not do and a video showing you are completely biased, looking for cheap clicks, promoting your son lol, and wasting our time. los of respect and the last video you do I waste my time on.
Wow, lol. You....wow.
I am all for the constructive criticism as it gives you multiple perspectives. But the passive aggressive jab around 5:30 stating "It's either he doesn't know what the read is or..." is a glaring admission by Kurt that he bought into the Sean Payton's stereotyping of RW that he's not intelligent enough to process his complex playbook. It's dog whistling at best.
@6:35 I think he was trying to use his legs to influence the defense and open up the flat receiver.
Kurt I think your son played great and will be an amazing qb, and you were an amazing qb in your own right. But I understand exactly what Russ is seeing. The game plan was to take what was given to him. In the first half, the defense left checkdowns wide open. In the second half, the defense tightened down and he threw over the top. I think you fail to see the forest for the trees. Tom brady won 7 superbowls throwing checkdowns every play. Russ understands its more important not to turn the ball over than risk putting it in harms way for what may be 5-10 yards more a play.
If you say so, I can buy that… just explain to me why he attacks downfield on some and not others? I’m here to know… that’s the part that confuses me! If he did it all the time one way or another I could buy this is why, but from play to play makes no sense to me?
You can't throw down field every single play.... Jameis Winston did that in Tampa and threw 30 ints and went 7-9. Mixing in the short and the long keeps the defense guessing, sets up the long ball, and reduces the risk of turnovers
Further, on some of the plays the coverage was good and on others Russ missed a few reads... it is natutal and happens to the best of them
Besides, Russ has only played 6 games in Pittsburgh, those reads will come in time
You're right, Josh. Kurt is wrong. Thanks for clearing it up for us.
Kurt, you were ok, but you were not that guy really!! The Bengals were giving up the middle of the field. Because, the defense was scared of the moon 🏈! They didn't want to give up the big plays. And, so you take what the defense gives you obviously!!
Y'all have to realize that Kurt Warner has been away from the game for quite some time. It's evident in his breakdowns that the details of today's game are much different than when he was playing. He was great in his day, but today's schematics are a bit above his knowledge level.
Every play you showed has the same common thread. He’s not reading coverage to “find the open guy” he’s reading leverage to “find RAC” which target provides the best opportunity for RAC.
ITT: Salty Steelers fans.
If you can't figure it out Kurt that's your problem-Russ seems to be doing just fine!!!
Could the sun have been an issue at 18:28?
1:45 is pretty obvious. He's paying the gaps by reading the DE. The first play at 0:05, the DE is committing to the outside gap, which is going to allow for a pocket he can step up into.
At 1:45, he sees the DE is committing to the same gap but when the ball is snapped at 1:47 he sees the DE stunting to the inside gap. The protection isn't there to throw the out AND the middle is wide open as all the DBs have committed to the outside.
If you can't see that, then you are not trying to analyze the play, you're just trying to criticize the man.
What if they were throwing all those checkdowns in the first half to get the defense to bite up a little bit and open up the deep ball more in the second half?
Hey Kurt, you do know Russell’s career stats are better than yours in every category right? Maybe you should learn to process like him
That check down was the right choice on that umbrella coverage, The middle of the field was wide open and Najee was able to get more yards than either the 1 or 2 would’ve been able to get.
And the other one was wide open that’s why he thru quick he knew the coverage smh
So u honestly think he comes back that quickly and sees everything and knows the checkdown is wide open? Like honestly do u feel he knows exactly what he doing on those plays when he has other plays that are exactly the same and he does something different? I really want to know… and you could be 100% right, I said as much in my video, but it makes no sense in my mind!
And Brady won championships throwing short passes NOT checkdowns, they are different things!
Don’t like giving my boys away, but the backer was the read, they know the deep ball is always there. Russ needs to work the short field, while getting Najee the ball in space, with smaller defenders to beat. So we don’t care where the receivers are going as long as they run their guy off the ball. Then we hit it over the top when they take the short field away.
Playback at 13:49
Speed of the game and it’s a sure 1st down. Worked all game long so why not use it as strategy? Acting like a check down for a huge chuck of yardage is a bad thing or that he’s not reading the defense well. I think he read it very well as Najee was wide open on every single one of those for miles.
The first check down he analyzes there wasn't an ILB in sight? Najee was wide open?
Fascinating to watch Jekyll and Hyde QB. Seems like his beautiful throws are immediate 1 read yes or no decisions he makes near snap. The seams and outside go routes against zero and cover 2 especially.
sometimes the randomness of the drunken style may be more effective
It was intentional to go to quick check down against that defense. Clearly it was good scheming because it went for 5+ yards everytime with one going for 25 or so.
Russell has found his place right here in Pittsburgh...some times it takes awhile to find where you belong...so happy he found it here in Steelers Nation 😊
Me too
OMG, Kurt kick rocks. Maybe he is trying to get everyone involved and get everyone hot to close the season. Those dumps are run plays I watched them fail in 2 4 and 1 last lost. And Russ was top 10 QB last year stop this madness and they beat winning teams like chiefs and Bills. It’s crazy how much criticism that Rus gets whe n the only QB in the league that has been to more Superbowls is Mahomes. Stop this madness
Go look at Russ' numbers in the Chiefs and Bills wins. He threw for 100 yds against KC and got sacked 6 times. KC had 5 TO, that's why KC lost.
@ winning is QB stat right. Wilson not a lot of passing your but 3 td against the chiefs. It not his fault his oline was trash and chief D was great last year. Mahomes had 2 picks Russ had none. He got his team the W period. Besides, we all know Payton was trying to sabotage Rus. What about Miami scoring 70 on the Broncos. I guess that was Wilson fault too🤣🤣🤣 what haters. Guy has been to 2 superbowls where is the respect? How many superbowls Josh Allen been 2 or the rest of the league ??? Unbelievable
@squests3139 yeah, you're right. Wilson was the only reason Den won the game. Yeah, Allen sucks, Wilson is prolly best QB in the NFL...prolly ever.
@@YourMachines Hey Sean Payton.
@@YourMachines Russ did enough to win those games. I can name several Qb's who aren't Able to win games no matter what the defense does. This is why so many people are fooled by the so-called elite Qb's who can't even make Superbowl appearances. Brady himself recently said its not about Stats but being able to close out a game
Kurt, can you give an average on the number of misreads of defenses by great QBs vs. RW’s missed reads?
Kurt are you losing your mind! The check down was because Cincy wasn’t covering the middle of the field!
@kurtwarnerqbc this is really insightful. Is it fair to say that you think if a quarterback that knows what they are doing is placed in the same situation multiple times they will always make the same throw, because it is optimal? Were there ever times that you did not go through your progression because you liked a particular matchup?
This is crazy. Russ literally threw the ball everywhere and to different receivers. Kurt I think you’re dragging it. You wouldn’t say nun of this if that was Mahomes