Ah yes, wouldn‘t a young adventurous dragon make for a great main character… But jokes aside, I agree with what you guys said here, but it is funny in hindsight.
With the Shallan question I think that might be a nod to her mom being a Herald. A cognitive shadow parent and especially a Herald could have implications for her. Though that would be interesting to know if her brothers were impacted by it. I assume this was recorded before the Secret Project 5 chapters? I do appreciate Shannon's disappointment that there are no adventurous young dragons that are main characters! XD
2 things: 1) Taln was really determined when alive, but when turned Cognitive Shadow became something akin to a stubbornspren. It's became of his determination but still beyond human ability. 2) It's a species neutral bathroom.
28:47 pretty sure the "obvious reason" is that she has two spren. So her powers are boosted the same way that, say, an allomancer's powers are boosted by a matching hemalurgic spike.
Jof is trying so hard to be goofy in this episode lol. Be yourself man, don't let a poll on discord make you want to change who you are. You're good at being funny, but you don't have to force it. Every group needs a straight man!
During the dragon lifecycle discussion, Shannon brought up the idea of not allowing the different planets humans' to interbreed. That reminds me a LOT of the various 'species' on the Ringworld. On large enough timescales, you'd expect differences that could cause issues.
On the gender neutral bathroom, I think it's a bathroom for metalborn. They use separate facilities because they're specialer than everyone else, but they only get one because there's only so much room in an airship, and it's not like there will be more than one or two of the rare superhumans among the crew.
That's such a good question. I think you're probably like 5% more invested than average or something like that. Dead shardblades are still invested, and I assume that binding one involves incorporating it into your spirit web or identity or something, which should impart at least a little investiture.
Mistborn Era 2 stuff is not yet wrapped up, even excluding historical hindsight mentions in later eras. Era 2 is ongoing. The Nicki Savage book(s) can touch upon pretty much any of that stuff at any time.
I hope we get short stories or novellas set in between the era 2 novels kind of like what Brandon did for Stormlight with Edgedancer and Dawnshard. I really need to learn more about Bloody Tan and his history with Wax and Lessie.
The Shallan question definitely feels like a Chanarach hint, I can't think of anything else that would be. Just having two bonds doesn't seem like enough. It seems pretty clear that Dawnshards don't come with their own supply of power for themselves, this is why Rysn is forbidden from becoming a Radiant; she can't do anything with it without some source of investiture.
54:19 I hope it's Shallan's wedding. I'm so sad we didn't get to see it, but it would make sense if Brandon was saving it for the second half. EDIT: 58:47 Oh shit, called out over my pet theory XD
1:00:22 I have a theory that Hoid had something to do with what happened on Ashen. They've mentioned a dawnshard played a part in destroying the world, and Hoid has held a dawnshard at one point. In Oathbringer, I think Argent mention this for a second, but Hoid sees a fused and remembers a time where he danced with her. I'm thinking he came over with the Heralds from Ashen after it was destroyed and that when he met the Dawnsinger and danced with her at some point. Also kinda fits with Hoid telling Dalinar "if I have to watch this world crumble and burn to get what I want, I will do so. With tears, yes, but I would let it happen." I think he is saying that from experience.
The only disappointing thing about these podcasts is that I laugh so hard, it's like I'm with friends. Then I look around and you guys are on a screen, and I have never met y'all at all. "Interbangable" is now in my permanent lexicon. And I am now low-key rooting for a Gavilar resurrection, for Book 6-10 prologue possibilities.
49:43 My guess is that the guy was a Ghostblood, which would certainly be quite the impressive feat. But no, I don't remember any foreshadowing or hints to that effect in BoM. EDIT: Nightblood is the sword. Killing it would also be impressive, sure, but it would also be highly distinct from a normal murderer.
I don't trust Eric to be on a "Weird Choices Brandon Made in the Cosmere" episode without it being three hours of ranting about Rashek's children, personally
Wait, did Chaos say that a dawnshard allow someone to metabolize stormlight? Im wondering if that means Lyft has a little piece of a dawnshard, and if its possible that someone (shard or driven by a shard) splintered a Dawnshard since thay are the only things that can harm a shard? Quote from alittle before 49:04.
Has Brandon said anything about releasing part 1 of Wind and Truth before December (like he did with Oathbringer and Row)? If he does we might start getting chapters as early as august (assuming WaT part 1 is about the same length as RoW part 1)
This spiritual realm is either timeless and all the ideals are there already or it's not timeless and only once sentient beings think of something the ideal of a thing comes up in there. The spiritual realm is probably like the warp on 40K, a timeless place where the linear nature of the phisical realm just doesn't work and that creates paradoxes and it's fine.
I actually think that Brandon is misunderstanding the point of Plato's Theory of the Forms a little bit here. In your discussion, you talk about a societal concept of what perfection is, but Plato is saying that some of what that concept is comes from a kind of connection to something outside of reality that we are recalling. Its not a point about cause and effect, the ideal for objects can be created as part of a societal upbringing, I don't think that makes a significant difference. Its a metaphor to describe the phenomenon of people knowing what an object is without being told. We can easily decide if something is or isn't a table based on what the ideal of a table is which we are all familiar with. In the Cosmere, this shapes the soul of that object to being a kind of table, but the idea of a table is something the person already knew. We know what a perfect circle is without a perfect circle actually existing. No one will ever draw a perfect circle, nature will never create a perfect circle, yet we still know what a perfect circle is. Plato is saying that that extrapolation feels more like remembering than deducing. I actually think Tress imagining Death with spiked eyes is a perfect example of this. She has never seen Marsh, no one on Lumar has ever seen Marsh (this might be an assumption, but I thought that was confirmed), and what is happening here is actually her soul "seeing" the form of Death in the spiritual realm, just like Plato's Theory of the Forms. The spiritual realm does contain the soul of every table that has ever existed everywhere and gives people an idea of what a table is. The idea of differentiation and extrapolation to perfection is something that both the Theory of the Forms and the Spiritual realm can explain. All ideals being filtered through the perception of sapient beings is compatible with Plato's Theory of the Forms. Sorry for the block of text, it was fun to type out philosophical stuff I think about with the Cosmere's realms! This also might be a hot take interpretation of Plato, but a lot of this stuff comes from him writing a story about someone giving a hypothetical situation. I personally don't believe Plato meant for the realm of forms to be taken super literally, and that a lot of his work is metaphorical.
This is my take on Cosmere Dragons' Human Form: Spoiler In the Isles of the Emberdark prologue, Starling asserts that dragons spend their first 30 years in human form so that they "know what is like to be small." Something that she was implied to have been told by Frost, and claims it is "Adonalsium's Wisdom." Using the same logic, dragons could have a human and a draconic form so that they know what is like to be both fain and non-fain. That's just my theory at least, feel free to comment on it.
We know that when Sazed made giraffes, the giraffes look normal, because he was able to tap into the spiritual ideal of giraffes, and it’s not some messed up version of a giraffe based on a 1000 year old picture from someone who may not have ever seen a giraffe. However, the table wob seems to indicate that there isn’t a spiritual idea of giraffes, just a spiritual ideal for each individual giraffe. So what’s up with that?
Honestly just want the essays in the leatherbound. The short stories should get their own premium versions (or wrapped into future works), not leatherbound something more similar to the secret projects style. Really hope White Sand doesn’t get a leatherbound though. I bought the omnibus and would like to just treat that as the premium version. But that also means I want the Darkside sequel, The Arcanist or whatever, to also be a graphic novel for the consistency of my collection.
It occurs that Adonalsium might have created dragons specifically to bridge the gap between fainlife and trunelife. EDIT: This comment was written before Eric said exactly that.
I have some duplicates because back when Brandon was touring I would buy a book on release, and then he would show up a month later, and I would need to buy another in order to attend the signing.
I think the dawn shard investiture is just ‘in use.’ Like, what would happen if a dawn shard used half of its investiture? The whole universe might collapse! The implications could be huge, so I think they’re just stuck at their power level
I hope they make them all leather bound. People are not required to buy them. And the logistics of it are easily passed off to the staff at Dragonsteel. Brandon could just not let it burden him.
I am with him in wanting an answer to who that man on the train was. I have thought long and hard, so getting a rafo on that question was a big let down personally.
I think for people who are doing this because they love Brandon's work and not earning a living to make these, they are doing great. Brandon had a lot of stuff come out last year and they have a life beyond the cosmere. I know you do to. I'm just saying, we should be patient.
9:00 Give those knights another version of the immortal words: "Victory at all costs." Valour is about bravery and winning, not ethics. 11:00 With SP5 a story in Arcanum Unbounded is outdated. Where is the point? 1:11:00 Why out of the house? The strict childbearing would be in human forms, but why after that? 1:18:00 Space and weight should be valuable on an airship. It must be important to them. 1:19:00 Why don't the Singers make sense? A rutting season is common in many species. 1:22:00 A Kandra would never break its role. They are proud and designed for impersonating people. 1:32:00 Can you reliably tell apart the concept of a table from the concept of a shelf? 1:37:00 Why exactly does a black uniform correspond to Odium? 1:52:00 If Dawnshards are more invested than Shards, what was the point of taking up Shards after the Shattering? 1:53:30 But then why did the Dawnshard defend itself at all? That shows that it wants to defend itself.
Ah yes, wouldn‘t a young adventurous dragon make for a great main character… But jokes aside, I agree with what you guys said here, but it is funny in hindsight.
Hahaha ‘we shall see drakes and Draklings before proper dragons’ mean while…
"Adventurous young dragons" just wait for 2025 for Emberdark cause clearly this was filmed before the announcement
With the Shallan question I think that might be a nod to her mom being a Herald. A cognitive shadow parent and especially a Herald could have implications for her. Though that would be interesting to know if her brothers were impacted by it.
I assume this was recorded before the Secret Project 5 chapters? I do appreciate Shannon's disappointment that there are no adventurous young dragons that are main characters! XD
That or because of her two bonds, I'd guess.
100% Shallans mum
Damn, Evgeni must've been tapping Fortune pretty hard to get a WTCC in the first clue
I did it without access to Fortune or the Spiritual Realm!
@@_argent Even more impressive!
2 things:
1) Taln was really determined when alive, but when turned Cognitive Shadow became something akin to a stubbornspren. It's became of his determination but still beyond human ability.
2) It's a species neutral bathroom.
Shallan is a double lightweaver, so maybe that's what gives her more power than typical from lightweavers.
"Very atlassian like that"
You've heard it here first, Taln uses Jira. (This joke is strictly for Argent)
also me this joke is for me XD
The thought did occur to me as I was vocalizing it, and I don't like it
I think Brandon wants dragons to be humans so that he can hide secret dragons in plain sight.
28:47 pretty sure the "obvious reason" is that she has two spren. So her powers are boosted the same way that, say, an allomancer's powers are boosted by a matching hemalurgic spike.
Jof is trying so hard to be goofy in this episode lol. Be yourself man, don't let a poll on discord make you want to change who you are. You're good at being funny, but you don't have to force it. Every group needs a straight man!
I'm guessing Wax and Wayne RAFO stuff could come up in the "Comic sheets" that replace "broad sheets" in ERA 3.
During the dragon lifecycle discussion, Shannon brought up the idea of not allowing the different planets humans' to interbreed. That reminds me a LOT of the various 'species' on the Ringworld. On large enough timescales, you'd expect differences that could cause issues.
Brandon should just switch over to Fast and Furious naming conventions. It's not too late to change Stormlight 5's title to "2 Stones 2 Unhollowed"
lotta topics covered - well done! ❤👍
On the gender neutral bathroom, I think it's a bathroom for metalborn. They use separate facilities because they're specialer than everyone else, but they only get one because there's only so much room in an airship, and it's not like there will be more than one or two of the rare superhumans among the crew.
Gender neutral bathroom? Like a mental institution?
I think Brandon should name book 5 "Rhythm of War 2: Electric Boogaloo"
If you bond a dead shard blade, are you more invested than a typical person?
That's such a good question. I think you're probably like 5% more invested than average or something like that. Dead shardblades are still invested, and I assume that binding one involves incorporating it into your spirit web or identity or something, which should impart at least a little investiture.
Mistborn Era 2 stuff is not yet wrapped up, even excluding historical hindsight mentions in later eras. Era 2 is ongoing. The Nicki Savage book(s) can touch upon pretty much any of that stuff at any time.
I hope we get short stories or novellas set in between the era 2 novels kind of like what Brandon did for Stormlight with Edgedancer and Dawnshard. I really need to learn more about Bloody Tan and his history with Wax and Lessie.
"cognitive shadow on a space ship" had me geeking
The Shallan question definitely feels like a Chanarach hint, I can't think of anything else that would be. Just having two bonds doesn't seem like enough.
It seems pretty clear that Dawnshards don't come with their own supply of power for themselves, this is why Rysn is forbidden from becoming a Radiant; she can't do anything with it without some source of investiture.
New title for this one, Allegory of the Cremcast.
54:19 I hope it's Shallan's wedding. I'm so sad we didn't get to see it, but it would make sense if Brandon was saving it for the second half.
EDIT: 58:47 Oh shit, called out over my pet theory XD
1:00:22 I have a theory that Hoid had something to do with what happened on Ashen. They've mentioned a dawnshard played a part in destroying the world, and Hoid has held a dawnshard at one point. In Oathbringer, I think Argent mention this for a second, but Hoid sees a fused and remembers a time where he danced with her. I'm thinking he came over with the Heralds from Ashen after it was destroyed and that when he met the Dawnsinger and danced with her at some point. Also kinda fits with Hoid telling Dalinar "if I have to watch this world crumble and burn to get what I want, I will do so. With tears, yes, but I would let it happen." I think he is saying that from experience.
Back-half Prologue Prediction:
Scouring of Aimia from multiple perspectives
The only disappointing thing about these podcasts is that I laugh so hard, it's like I'm with friends. Then I look around and you guys are on a screen, and I have never met y'all at all. "Interbangable" is now in my permanent lexicon.
And I am now low-key rooting for a Gavilar resurrection, for Book 6-10 prologue possibilities.
That's the vibe we are shooting for (sans the disappointment part) :)
49:43 My guess is that the guy was a Ghostblood, which would certainly be quite the impressive feat. But no, I don't remember any foreshadowing or hints to that effect in BoM. EDIT: Nightblood is the sword. Killing it would also be impressive, sure, but it would also be highly distinct from a normal murderer.
Dustbringers are about self mastery. Makes perfect sense to me that that's the POV of a broken Herald, those Ideals would suit her journey.
I don't trust Eric to be on a "Weird Choices Brandon Made in the Cosmere" episode without it being three hours of ranting about Rashek's children, personally
Yes. -Eric
second half prologue predictions: fleeing Ashyn and what happened or (personal favorite) the SHATTERING AND DEATH OF HONOR
I assume this was recorded prior to the new secret project reveal?
Verbosity sounds like the Shard Hoid would have picked up.
The dragon discussion here is hilarious after the isles of emberdark announcement
Wait, did Chaos say that a dawnshard allow someone to metabolize stormlight? Im wondering if that means Lyft has a little piece of a dawnshard, and if its possible that someone (shard or driven by a shard) splintered a Dawnshard since thay are the only things that can harm a shard?
Quote from alittle before 49:04.
At least Sig's Dawnshard is what allowed him and Aux to suck up Investiture. -Eric
Has Brandon said anything about releasing part 1 of Wind and Truth before December (like he did with Oathbringer and Row)? If he does we might start getting chapters as early as august (assuming WaT part 1 is about the same length as RoW part 1)
This spiritual realm is either timeless and all the ideals are there already or it's not timeless and only once sentient beings think of something the ideal of a thing comes up in there. The spiritual realm is probably like the warp on 40K, a timeless place where the linear nature of the phisical realm just doesn't work and that creates paradoxes and it's fine.
I actually think that Brandon is misunderstanding the point of Plato's Theory of the Forms a little bit here. In your discussion, you talk about a societal concept of what perfection is, but Plato is saying that some of what that concept is comes from a kind of connection to something outside of reality that we are recalling. Its not a point about cause and effect, the ideal for objects can be created as part of a societal upbringing, I don't think that makes a significant difference. Its a metaphor to describe the phenomenon of people knowing what an object is without being told. We can easily decide if something is or isn't a table based on what the ideal of a table is which we are all familiar with. In the Cosmere, this shapes the soul of that object to being a kind of table, but the idea of a table is something the person already knew. We know what a perfect circle is without a perfect circle actually existing. No one will ever draw a perfect circle, nature will never create a perfect circle, yet we still know what a perfect circle is. Plato is saying that that extrapolation feels more like remembering than deducing. I actually think Tress imagining Death with spiked eyes is a perfect example of this. She has never seen Marsh, no one on Lumar has ever seen Marsh (this might be an assumption, but I thought that was confirmed), and what is happening here is actually her soul "seeing" the form of Death in the spiritual realm, just like Plato's Theory of the Forms. The spiritual realm does contain the soul of every table that has ever existed everywhere and gives people an idea of what a table is. The idea of differentiation and extrapolation to perfection is something that both the Theory of the Forms and the Spiritual realm can explain. All ideals being filtered through the perception of sapient beings is compatible with Plato's Theory of the Forms.
Sorry for the block of text, it was fun to type out philosophical stuff I think about with the Cosmere's realms! This also might be a hot take interpretation of Plato, but a lot of this stuff comes from him writing a story about someone giving a hypothetical situation. I personally don't believe Plato meant for the realm of forms to be taken super literally, and that a lot of his work is metaphorical.
No stone unhallowed was right there!
1:33:30 onward - The one where 17th Shard reinvents the debate between exemplar and prototype theory
I liked Evgene’s bottle caps :(
1:18:30, perhaps it's a bathroom for something like a Kandra?
This is my take on Cosmere Dragons' Human Form:
Spoiler
In the Isles of the Emberdark prologue, Starling asserts that dragons spend their first 30 years in human form so that they "know what is like to be small." Something that she was implied to have been told by Frost, and claims it is "Adonalsium's Wisdom." Using the same logic, dragons could have a human and a draconic form so that they know what is like to be both fain and non-fain.
That's just my theory at least, feel free to comment on it.
Correct me if im wrong, but im fairly sure Brandon has already confirmed Dragons to be fain life in a youtube spoiler stream, hasn't he?
Ok, but why would it be the knights valorous, and not the knights valorant?
When you're 5 books in, is a bad title really a big deal?
Short story on Lumar where the main character actually is a King's Mask
1:03:14 Stormlight is full of shonen moments. Especially WOR😅
I’ll be at C2E2 as well!
Guys the second half propagules is what happens at hahrietium
Hi when is disborn coming back?
We know that when Sazed made giraffes, the giraffes look normal, because he was able to tap into the spiritual ideal of giraffes, and it’s not some messed up version of a giraffe based on a 1000 year old picture from someone who may not have ever seen a giraffe. However, the table wob seems to indicate that there isn’t a spiritual idea of giraffes, just a spiritual ideal for each individual giraffe. So what’s up with that?
Presumably there are still giraffes on other inhabited worlds, so people's conception of those is going to exist in the Spiritual Realm.
Honestly just want the essays in the leatherbound. The short stories should get their own premium versions (or wrapped into future works), not leatherbound something more similar to the secret projects style.
Really hope White Sand doesn’t get a leatherbound though. I bought the omnibus and would like to just treat that as the premium version. But that also means I want the Darkside sequel, The Arcanist or whatever, to also be a graphic novel for the consistency of my collection.
What if cremlife is a third competing ecology alongside fainlife and trunelife. Sprenlife could be a fourth ecology and maybe aethlife?
It occurs that Adonalsium might have created dragons specifically to bridge the gap between fainlife and trunelife. EDIT: This comment was written before Eric said exactly that.
0:33:00 so this was recorded pre sp5 anoucement i guess.
Yo why does Argent have two copies of Words of Radiance on his bookshelf?
I have some duplicates because back when Brandon was touring I would buy a book on release, and then he would show up a month later, and I would need to buy another in order to attend the signing.
I think the dawn shard investiture is just ‘in use.’ Like, what would happen if a dawn shard used half of its investiture? The whole universe might collapse! The implications could be huge, so I think they’re just stuck at their power level
0:52:00 it's clearly not in ghost bloods it'll bee in secret history 2
I hope they make them all leather bound. People are not required to buy them. And the logistics of it are easily passed off to the staff at Dragonsteel. Brandon could just not let it burden him.
Evgeni is correct Jarritos are delicious. The rest of you need to get on board!
Maybe im crazy, but i feel ive heard some of the wobs before on shardcast. Weirdest episode worth of deja vu
Wouldn't the obvious thing be she bonded two of the same type of spren? She has more access.
I am with him in wanting an answer to who that man on the train was. I have thought long and hard, so getting a rafo on that question was a big let down personally.
Nightstreet, Nightblood, Night Brigade
Although yeah it might be related to Bloody Tan somehow
BoM -- the dude on the train -- obvs is Alomancer Jack. Q.E.D. :)
lift catching some strays here geez lol
Stones unhallowed for a novella??????? Plz!!!!!
depending on how far you go down the rabbit hole, Cultivation is either responsible for EVERYTHING that's happened on Roshar, or nothing 😂
Shallan has a double bond, so has more strength at her surges.
Same way Vin had a double helping of Seeker.
C'mon, brandon loves patterns.
Shallan is Chana >:l
Dang! making me watch an hour and a half for my wob???? Rude. 😃
Ene is a cutie :)
these videos should be waaaay closer to the actual livestreams, not half a year later imo
I think for people who are doing this because they love Brandon's work and not earning a living to make these, they are doing great. Brandon had a lot of stuff come out last year and they have a life beyond the cosmere. I know you do to. I'm just saying, we should be patient.
That's true, though I do wonder if they just post the raw versions if it would be that unwatchable? @@evelynbasham1673
@@evelynbasham1673 I dont really care either way, it was just a suggestion. talking about 6 months old news is not that exciting.
@FragmentedTV fair enough. I like hearing their thoughts on things that are years old, but that is my preference.
Sometimes we are more timely. Other stuff sometimes gets in the way.
No comments?
9:00 Give those knights another version of the immortal words: "Victory at all costs." Valour is about bravery and winning, not ethics.
11:00 With SP5 a story in Arcanum Unbounded is outdated. Where is the point?
1:11:00 Why out of the house? The strict childbearing would be in human forms, but why after that?
1:18:00 Space and weight should be valuable on an airship. It must be important to them.
1:19:00 Why don't the Singers make sense? A rutting season is common in many species.
1:22:00 A Kandra would never break its role. They are proud and designed for impersonating people.
1:32:00 Can you reliably tell apart the concept of a table from the concept of a shelf?
1:37:00 Why exactly does a black uniform correspond to Odium?
1:52:00 If Dawnshards are more invested than Shards, what was the point of taking up Shards after the Shattering?
1:53:30 But then why did the Dawnshard defend itself at all? That shows that it wants to defend itself.