Wind and Truth Predictions & Speculation! | Shardcast
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- It's time to talk about our thoughts for Stormlight 5, titled Wind and Truth, coming this December! Who's going to die??
This episode we have Eric (Chaos), David (Windrunner), Grace (thegatorgirl), and Verónica (Cheyenne Sedai).
Please note we recorded this last June, so newer things like the interlude or the new Shallan chapters aren't mentioned here. But I hope if you read those, you get a kick out of some of our comments :)
Here are the relevant posts and readings we did discuss:
Prologue: wob.coppermind.net/events/495...
Kaladin ch 1 and 2: wob.coppermind.net/events/508...
Szeth flashback 1-2: wob.coppermind.net/events/504...
Szeth flashback 3: wob.coppermind.net/events/508...
Stormlight 5 update 2 (featuring our thumbnail art of Dalinar by Peter Panev): / stormlight_five_update_2
0:00:00 Introductions
0:02:59 What are you excited about?
0:14:01 Structure
0:31:14 Kaladin & Szeth
0:50:43 Shallan
1:07:51 Adolin, Dalinar
1:35:10 Other characters
1:42:41 Contest of Champions, Deaths
1:59:38 Stormfaker?
2:12:04 Last Thoughts
2:15:54 Who's That Cosmere Character
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We recorded this what feels like an eternity ago, so I hope you enjoy some idle comments that have been answered in the later readings :) Next episode will be the C2E2 Shallan reading and WoBs! -Eric
I'm honestly just happy to get my Shardcast fix back
What is C2E2?
@@juliegoggans8303it was a convention where Brandon read two Shallan chapters. Check it out dude they're great!
Excited to listen to this! Love the prediction podcast episodes. Just curious, why is there a length delay in the release? Just to pace videos out with others having a higher priority?
@@blakemcgill880 I obviously don't know, but my prediction: they are beta readers, so they wanted to predict before they knew anything (for ethical and legal reasons) but also release it now when we're all stoked for December? Just my 0.02. What do you reckon?
I want to see Erik’s face when/if Shallan ends up being Ba-Ado-Mishram and she just forgot about it 😂
HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I would hate this narratively, but it would be worth it just to watch Eric erupt with the fury of 1000 suns
Grace predicting the iriali interlude is crazy
I am just ready for the road trip with Kaladin, Syl, Szeth, Nightbood.
Syl and Night blood both being relentlessly optimistic for very different reasons
And hopefully we get to know szeth's spren
@@ToxicVale Not gonna lie, I kinda forgot about Szeth's Highspren. Traveling with a Honor and High spren is going to be interesting.
@@BinarySecond Oh no... the debate about what is 'Evil'. This is going to be perfect.
Yeah! Honorspren, Highspren and Nightblood delinerating "What is Evil" 😉
David is so funny for thinking that Sanderson won't give us a 10 year cliff hanger ending
I have a sneaking suspicion Lift will make it to Shinovar with them - thus completing the ultimate road trip.
To answer Eric’s question of what could a big Fifth Ideal moment: Perhaps Syl will fall victim to Ishar’s experiment and be on the brink of death, but Kaladin swearing the Fifth Ideal will allow her to manifest safely in the Physical and save herself.
And then they kiss
@@obviousalias132 *Resigned sigh*
and then they marry and live happily together till the end of their days
Honestly, the Syl shippers vs the anti shippers is among the best/funniest split in fandom these last few years.
Need a super cut of Eric saying Ba-Ado-Mishram 😂😂 at this point I read her name in his voice every time.
My prediction for Ba-Ado-Mishram: Shallan frees Ba-Ado-Mishram from the gem and she says "two thousand years in a gemstone will give you such a crick in the neck!" Then Ba-Ado Mishram breaks into a musical number called "You ain't never had a spren like me"
I'd just like to be one of the many wishing Chaos and Ba-Ado-Mishram a long and happy life together.
Thank you! Once I break her from her gemstone I'm sure my wife and I will have a long life together with her! -Eric
I really want to learn all there is to know about Ba-Ado-Mistram in book 5, but there's also a part of me that wants Brandon to move all that stuff to the back half just so I can see the anguish in Eric's eyes
If SA#5 is indeed only 10 days or so, I don't really see them going for Ba-Ado-Mishram. When would they do so?
And how? The Lost Radiants rather broke their oaths than return her. So either they could not retrieve and release her, or the alternative was still preferable. Hence it would seem odd to me if Shallan and Adolin just raced off and solve her in little time. That should take years.
Grace totally called that Iriali exodus!
Hell yeah!
Grace out here tapping Fortune
"El can teach me the passions" is a wild thing to say 😂
BAM's prison is in the Davar mines (deep in the earth at least below them)! The deeper Lin dug the more the family spiraled out of control. Maybe.
I’m super excited to see more of Navani and the Sibling
In regards to Kaladin's love interest,. I'm rereading RoW and I thought a fun angle would have been Navani arranging a political marriage between Kaladin and Ulvlk (the Thaylen scholar that tell Navani about the tuning fork)
2:14:08 lol love how David jokingly predicted Isles of the Emberdark.
I like the self actualization angle with the fifth ideal. I’ve not heard anyone say this, but is it possible nale has corrupted what the fifth ideal is really supposed to be? Like his ideal of becoming the law might be wrong, but he like forced it through somehow or lost the true meaning of it. So like the true 5th for the stormbreaker could be realization of what law is meant to do for them. Lightweavers it’s knowing your true self so that through your lies you will not lose yourself. For Kaladin, the understanding that HE is worth saving might be a big thing. I think the 5th might be more specific to the individual, but categorically might be the self actualization.
I feel like when talking about spren deaths the stormfather was glossed over as a potential candidate. There a decent amount of death rattles that seem to reference the weeping and it would also nerf dalinar. Just saying
The biggest issue I see between Stormfather vs Stormfaker is being able to appear in-doors in SA5 prologue which contradicts what we've been told previously iirc (and even if Stormfather can lie this doesn't make sense to have been one of them).
When were we told he couldn't appear indoors? The storm can't infuse spheres indoors but I feel that's a different thing. Also, he can definitely lie.
@@nassan1599 discussing using the Stormfather to spy on enemy forces pretty sure he says he can’t view in doors. Dalinar’s wedding to Navani also had to be on a balcony for the Stormfather to officiate.
@@obviousalias132 It could have something to do with having a proto-bond with Gavilar. Maybe only he can see the stormfather, that's why they did the wedding on the roof so that others could see him. Doesn't explain why he couldn't spy though, unless the stormfather can't turn invisible and would be seen maybe? Idk.
As someone whose favorite character is Szeth, and who's been waiting for YEARS to finally get "my book," the rage I feel at David's words in the beginning is indescribable.
Thanks you guys! Casts like these make me even happier to be a Patreon subscriber
Thanks for the cool video! I can't believe you recorded it a year ago lol! I liked your ideas and theories, I agree with many of them, especially with Eric and David. Most of all I worry about Syl and Adolin, it’s very interesting to find out what arcs and destinies they will have 🥺
(spoilers below)
I am most excited about the possibility of Shallan traveling into the Spiritual Realm. Pattern saying it makes the Cognitive Realm seem normal is most intriguing. We already know that there is only one location in the SR, so it must really be bizarre.
I literally don’t even know what to expect here. But I can’t wait to find out.
A place without space, but containing all of existence, by definition incomprehensible to mortals. Im so excited
So like they were saying in the video, it seems weird all of what needs to happen occurs in 10 days...well, all of time is also at once in the Spiritual, right?
Also, BAM being in the Spiritual Realm allows her to effect change everywhere, perhaps most whens, assuming she can do so within a gemstone.
I don't know...exciting stuff for sure. Wish I could go into a coma until Dragonsteel, honestly!
@@warlord733 I'm very excited to see how Brandon depicts the Spiritual Realm.
This makes sense as to how Dalinar and Shallan narratives will be connected too
Regarding Important Spren deaths: I have the real answer. It’s going to be Maya that dies, but only after Adolin has done whatever he does to fully restore her.
That way we don’t lose one of our current super important radiants, but we also lose a Spren that is a real gut punch to both beloved characters and us as readers
NOOOOOO! Not Maya... 😥
I swear to god I'll throw the book across the room
My assumption of the loophole is that there is no condition for a draw
How is it worded? Maybe one side needs to affirmatively win whereäs the other side just needs to not lose? Or maybe the condition for Odium is open enough that a draw can be counted as his victory.
@@curtiswfranks they require their champions to win. There is no condition set for a draw apart from that the boarders will be locked (which was a precondition to the champion fighting starting).
If I remeber corrextly there is also no time limit to contest. So if Odium will be able to catch Dalinar in ethernal fight...
My sole theory of which I've convinced myself is that Dalinar's Champion is going to be Adolin (why spend so long with someone who is apparently the world's greatest duelist, then have the fate of the world rest on a duel which he isn't a part of?) and Odium's is going to be Nale. Nale's insanity seems to work in a similar way to how Odium takes Moash's emotions, and I can see the opposite effect happening if (T)Odium makes a deal with Nale to *give* him his emotions back in exchange for being his Champion. I think it also ties into Adolin's arc of being a heroic character in a world full of Radiants, and why the bond between humans and spren is so important---A person who has taken the time to get to know his spren, despite her being a deadeye, and ultimately healing her, against a Radiant that is of the highest ideal and a freaking HERALD of his own order, but has lost sight of the meaning of the bond in the first place. And I think that idea of asking *why* the Radiants even exist will be a central plot point for Adolin that ties into Ba-Ado-Mishram and the real reason for the Recreance.
Whoever his champion ends up being, one thing I'm betting on is that they will lose. Dalinar will be forced to become Odium's vanguard that he sends out to start conquering the cosmere. Stormfather will die as a result, but will use up the last of his power to create a new herald to replace Jezrien, who will be Kaladin, who will have lost his powers after Ishar manages to make Syl physical, nearly killing her if not for Kaladin swearing the fifth ideal, which allows her to fully manifest as a physical spren, but at the cost of her magical connection to Kaladin.
My reasoning is that things are going too well for the heroes, and new Odium needs a major win to cement himself as the new big bad for the second half of the series. Dalinar losing and being forced to become what Odium always wanted him to be would be the cruelest thing for Brandon to do in this moment. And since we already know the second half is supposed to focus more on the heralds, it makes sense to have our primary antagonist act as a through line for the series, becoming a herald, taking on their burden in order to truly understand them enough to help them with their mental health.
Gotta have my Rysn interludes!!!
It's funny to see the growing resignation of everyone to Syladin
Oh man, I had totally forgot I sent that one in! I had totally forgotten the answer so I was playing along with yall 😂
In regards to the 5th Ideal thing, I think that a lot of people forget who the patron of the Windrunners is. Jezrien, the Herald of Kings. He is lauded as being the prime example of what a leader should be. I think rather than the 5th Ideal focusing on protection specifically, perhaps the Windrunner 5th Ideal is about teaching others to protect themselves, or enabling them to stand strong, etc. Something along those lines makes a TON of sense. Another thing pointing to this is that Windrunners are the fastest to cultivate Squires. Leadership in some form HAS to be involved in the 5th ideal.
Let it be known: my prediction for Kay's 5th ideal is something along the lines of "I deserve to be protected" or "I will accept that sometimes I need to rely on others' protection"
My man's been soloing things so much and *being the solution* that I fully believe he's going to be in a hopeless situation -- skirting the Kaladin death scene so many are expecting -- and he's going to realize that he needs to count on someone to save him.
Related to the Szeth/Skybreaker discussion, I want to see the surge of Division explored in this book.
Nothing like listening to shardcast in the shower with a broken leg.
I was there 6 years ago friend. It gets better, I promise.
That’s the ideal way to listen to the podcast. They record it specifically with that in mind
Shardcast helps with broken hands
How about two broken legs?
@@curtiswfranks sir, SIR. We don’t like your kind around here
If book 5 is only the ten days, I can’t possibly see Kaladin swearing ANOTHER ideal in such a short amount of time. Especially after everything we know saying that most radiants never swore the 5th
You guys don’t know me, but I look forward to you guy’s videos. It’s nice to know there are others as (or even more) invested in Brandon’s work.
Love you guys.
So glad to hear it! -Eric
Great video! You all rock!
Szeth will shake up the skybreakers for sure. He definitely stood out from the other recruits. They took all the rules at face value but szeth understood them and was able to play the rules agaonst others, like the colour bomb training.
Eric point abouts oaths not always being good was the exact point Rayse was making to Dalinar in Oathbringer. Honor cared nothing but for the keeping of oaths
It is definitely the case that humans are starting to hear the Rhythms of Roshar. I noticed several instances of it on my first read.
I think that fighting for, say, the mortals by removing conflict between them and uniting them is a good way to connect the Rhythms to fighting without fighting.
I like the accidental foreshadowing for the first preview interlude
Crazy theory I like but doubt will happen; Kaladin sacrifices himself to save Syl. As he is dying the 5th ideal is accepted. Syl becomes Honor and Kaladin is her vessel. Sylladin, but not romantically. They are Honor.
So the question about whether Kaladin dies in book 5 or not: doesn’t Sigzil call out for Kal in Sunlit man? Wouldn’t that imply that Kal is alive at the time? Or did I miss something?
Kal would most likely be dead from natural causes by then...
These are the episodes I sub for !! awesome
I’m not too worried about sylladin because unless I’m mistaken I don’t think there is any textual evidence pointing to spren having romantic or “physical” relationships. Whether that be with other spren or with humans.
Brandon has said some of them do feel romantic and/or sexual feelings.
I'll probably be updating this as I continue to listen, but
I like the idea of SOMETHING happening to Dalinar. Which would cause Adolin to become the new head of the Kholin Household, bookending the fact that in book 1 Dalinar was looking to "retire" and making Adolin the new head of the Kholin Household.
The loophole could be, what if no one wins the contest of champions? Maybe the Oathpact will be reformed midway through the Contest of Champions causing the agreement to not be fulfilled forcing Dalinar to leave Roshar? I don't know.
My Aluminum Foiled hat theory (that I've said before) is that Cultivation's Vessel is going to shatter herself. All based off of a Wyndle Quote along the lines of "She (cultivation) was never the same after he (Honor) died." I think Cultivation is her futuresight (or whatever it's called. And I think cultivation has the best futuresight) to setup her plan before shattering herself. Also, I think Cultivation is training Teravangian to use Odium's power wrong to get him out of the way. And the second half of the Stormlight Archive will be everyone trying to figure out what the plan is, while trying to defeat Odium. Am I wrong? Absolutely.
I think Dalinars true purpose was revealed in Rythmn of War. We learn that Odium and Honors light is known as "Warlight" which means if a shard takes up both pieces they will be the literally God of War. and who has "cultivated" potential gods? Why the same one who bestowed a boon on both Taravangium and Dalinar. She is Literally growing Gods. Maybe she intends for Lift to replace her, and keep Dalinar in Check .
I like your theory, I'm just not understanding what the point of Cultivation shattering herself would be? *Spoilers for the end of Mistborn and Secret History*
Vessels can just give up their Shard without shattering it, as shown when Kelsier gives up Preservation so Vin can pick it up. It just seems to me that Cultivation would be much better served by keeping her Shard, continuing to influence events using that power, and giving up her Shard if/when the time is right
@@ryanmcniff2245 yeah, this is just a stupid theory of mine to keep distracted until storm light 5 comes out.
@@nicknackpattywhack3485 hey man, I never said it was stupid. I think it has a lot of merit and would actually be really intriguing. Imagine if we started seeing more big moves from Cultivation, which draws the eye of Odium who ultimately shatters her. It'd be interesting to watch our gang then try to figure out what she had planned and how they could still make it work. Maybe someone has to try to bond the nightwatcher (I think that's the name of her creepy spider spren who does the boons and curses).
@@ryanmcniff2245 Stupid was the wrong word. What I meant was unlikely.
My bet is that the battle of this book will be "The battle for Roshar"
I think Sunlit man was written partially to prepare Brandon to write WaT. Fast paced, connected by characters. And if he outlined SA 4 and 5 back to back he would have known how this book was going to go and would know he needed the practice.
I NEED to know how the Shattered Plains became shattered. Like, what cataclysmic event took place that caused the Shattered Plains.
I hope (sorta) the last windrunner ideal is something like "I will never give up." and kaladin gets put in a similar situation to Talenel thousands of years ago. So he has to go full Doctor Who and fight forever.
I'm somewhat confident that the 5th ideal for windrunners is to do no harm, not even to protect. Like a hypocratic oath for the windrunners. And yeah that's a huge "nerf" but the power Kal would get in return would be so strong that it would actually make protecting easier. The 4th ideal is the same, he swears that there's some he can't protect and he gets better at protecting
You can’t protect by killing. It is literally spelled out in the very first flashback with Kal in Way of Kings. If this isn’t the 5th ideal I will be so shocked. Also in RoW Kal was limited to using crowd control powers. Which opens up a way for him to be effective in combat without being lethal. Excited to see this play out
@dad2thebone same. Yeah I was definitely thinking about Lirin. He kinda is Honor personified in all its best and worst ways
I can't believe "like a year" ended up being accurate.
Ok sometimes yall get so deep in the Conspiracy Sauce i have to just Laugh. Following Sandersons narrative structure i think we can EASILY count out some characters.
CHARACTERS that DEFINATELY survive this novel:
All the back-half book 6-10 leads
Shallan - Her story might conclude, but she wont die someone has to be a Ghostblood type out there.
Navani - The Only non- Dalinar Bondsmith. Also if Stormlight stops working, She and Urithiru are the last source of Stormlight.
Venli - Shes too boring to kill.
Rock - He gets a Novella.
Cultivation - Probably the real antagonist in the back half.
CHARACTERS that Might not survive this Novel:
Adolin - His death would be very tragic, but hes the only non-radiant protagonist. Id vote on him surviving but he could make a sacrifice and Maya could persist.
Slyphrena - Her exit will likely be tied to Kaladins Fate, but i think its entirely possible the Daughter survives the next apocalypse again.
El - Another one off antagonist may be possible.
Characters that HAVE to LEAVE/Ascend/Disappear:
Kaladin - Hes not going to be a lead in the Second half, in order for the story to have room for other protagonists he has to either become a Herald/God/Storm or Die.
Dalinar - My man has to ascend to Godhood/Herald, Literally taking up his brothers cause. Also "Unity" has room to be the major antagonist of the whole cosmere.
Szeth - He will swear his final oath, Either Save a King or kill a King, and complete his narrative journey. Hes too murdery to survive.
Nightblood - God Killing Sword? In a narrative about fueding with gods, it cannot persist. Also Szeth cant be trusted with this thing beyond this book.
Moash/Vyre - Even if he DOES get a redemption arc, my guy is donezo, has to answer for his crimes and failures
Toadium - Taravangian has been built up to the Foil of Dalinar for all of the First half of stormlight, Unless he Completely wins this book, He is gone. No way we repeat the same defeat Odium arc as the first half.
Feel free to argue.
I dunno about Nightblood dying, it's such an insane exploit of investiture it'll probably be really hard to actually destroy, but I do hope it gets removed from the story somehow or completely stopped from getting anywhere near a Shard
@@prestonc9059 Yeah definately a return to home situation with Nightblood.
Stormfather Vs Stormfaker is it possible that the stormfather has simply changed what personality traits he puts forwards depending on who he is conntected to / using to try and reach his goals to try and attain the best possible solutions? He is not a normal spren but part of honour and may not be so restricted in personality compared to other spren
OMFG Chasm Fiend VS Thunderclast!!!!
Here is my Big theory - The Contest of Champions Happens Part 3 - DALINAR DIES - Stormfather becomes Deadeye. The Final Act they find a way to Bring back his Soul, and then rebuilds HONOR in the spirtual realm.
Well Dalinar dying wouldn’t make the stormfather a deadeye right? Dalinar would have to break his oath
Are Dead Eyes and Dull Form basically the same thing if both happened when Ba Ado Mishram was imprisoned?
I'm personally hoping that we get more then 10 days. So much time has been spent on detailing how the modern Rosharans are so much more advanced then in any previous desolation. I want to see a full fledged war campaign where that innovation allows for the smaller Urithiru aligned force to out maneuver the larger force of Odium's Singers and Fused and actually create something resembling an even balance of power with both sides working to out maneuver each other.
I don't think we'll get it, but it would be nice.
When kaladin dies/ascends to the new stormfather, I'm gonna be inconsolable, but I'm resigned at this point to it
Nah Syl as Stormother MAYBE.
Just gonna add my two cents here because I find the whole Syladin debate very entertaining: I would prefer for Kaladin to not get another love interest (I feel like at this point there isn't enough time to introduce yet another love interest or have Kaladin develop something romantic with a previously introduced character without it feeling unsatisfying or forced/rushed), but instead I want him and Syl to remain platonic and, if they both make it out alive, stay together as platonic life partners/soulmates. I can definitely see how Syladin could become a thing, especially in the context of Syl being pulled into the physical realm and Kaladin having to comfort her and help her through such an emotional and traumatic time, but again, I just don't think there's enough time to work towards something like that. Some seeds would have already needed to be planted throughout the previous books but so far we haven't been given a single hint that their relationship is developing towards something more than platonic. I don't think every main character needs a love interest anyway, and Kaladin is interesting enough of a character as he is. Kaladin and Syl obviously share something very special; they strongly depend on each other emotionally, care about each other a lot, and know each other on a very intimate level considering they are literal soulmates, and perhaps having such a profound bond with someone is enough for Kaladin.
I agree with you! I wouldn't mind if Syladin happened, but I honestly don't think Brandon would do them together. But I agree with your arguments. We have one book left from the first arc. If a new love interest appears, I sincerely don’t understand when it will be possible to create an adequate relationship. Kaladin has a mission and many problems. I don't think every main character needs a love interest anyway too. "Some seeds would have already needed to be planted throughout the previous books" - In a kind of defense of Syladin, I’ll just say that in RoW Kaladin and Syl have many common scenes, Syl develops and learns more like independent character, and most importantly, she does not raise the issue of relationships, does not try to set Kaladin up with a new girl (unlike Adolin). Lyn is an ex-girlfriend, that's all. And about other hints, if you read the first Wind and Truth (Kals pov) chapter, there are hints and seeds there that may hint at Syladin. But this is only one chapter, and later in the book everything may come to naught between them. We need more chapters to see if Brandon does anything with them or not.
@@valentinasheludko7498 Hi! I appreciate your reply :) I think you make some good points, something definitely shifted in Kaladin and Syl's relationship since Syl went through her own personal crisis in Rhythm of War. Like some sort of mutual understanding that wasn't there previously. It does seem like Syl is becoming her own person more, and not just Kaladin's spren who's kind of just there to support him and act as a tool for him to use. And yes, I have read the first Kaladin pov chapters of Wind and Truth and I did note that Kaladin takes notice of Syl a lot, like commenting on her appearance (her smile, her hair, her clothing etc.) and her behavior (how she doesn't really understand physical touch and that she might have offered a hug if she was a human, which kind of gave me the impression that that was something he desired from her, being able to hug her). Kaladin seems to be more aware of her presence and treats her like more of a person, by inquiring about her thoughts and feelings for example. I also think it's the first time that Syl is referred to as Kaladin's friend. I can see how these things could be viewed as hints for a potential romance, but just like you I also sincerely doubt that Brandon would pair these two together, so maybe that's partially why I'm having a hard time looking at their interactions as anything other than platonic. I guess we'll just have to wait and see ;)
@@lotte1973 You are absolutely right. I love Brandon's work for its unpredictability and am looking forward to the book!
I feel Dalinar dying would be difficult, as his Radiant order is "strange" and finding another stormfather bondsmith would be hard to develop again in the back five.
I think Stormfather will end up dying, but we will finally find out who the third bond smith will be: the one who is supposed to bond with the Nightwatcher. And while it would be controversial, I think that the last bond smith will be Moash.
Eric: This episode is so off the rails...
Me: Oh Eric, you have no idea what episodes you're going to witness in the next year. This is nothing.
My take for Kaladins 5th Ideal is that it will be easier to swear because it is something less about him, and more about being a Windrunner in general. And the reason he will find it easier is because he has heen working towards it for a while without knowing it.
And because of that, I believe that it will:
1. Be involved in some manner in the resolution of Moashes story arc, I believe most likely by Kaladin preventing Moashes suicide and beggining his redemption arc. The two have been foils of each other for the entirety of the series, and I can't see a satisfying ending for either that does not involve the other.
2. Involve Lirin and Nonviolence in some manner. People have criticised this before but I genuinely think that pacifism in some manner embodies "Protection" very well. I'm not entirely sure how these work together, but that's my gut feeling.
By involving these threads, Kaladin can both on a personal level get there quickly, and naratively it makes sense if the culmination of all of his story arcs solidifies around the 5th ideal. Thereby allowing him to die/take a less prominent role in the back half.
1:15:27 there will definitely be some conflict because the agreement states the battle lines AS THEY STAND ON THE DAY OF THE CONSTEST so both sides can attempt to aquire more land until then.
Unbelievably excited for this book. They Hype is real!
For the Windrunner 5th Ideal I think it will be something along the lines of protecting people with violence. It’s been a cornerstone of Kaladin’s internal struggles and it pairs nicely with the Skybreaker 5th Ideal, they determine what the law should be and the Windrunner determines who lives and who dies. Exactly how Brandon will word it I have no idea, but I would be surprised if it’s not something along those lines.
I’m partial to the opposite as well. Sometimes the best way to protect is through nonviolent methods also ties really well into his therapy ark
I think there's a real possibility that the contest of champions is the conclusion of part 1 and that it will be a philosophical contest instead of a physical one. Dalinar chooses himself because he isn't going to send someone else to fight his battle and Taravangian chooses Nale. The contest will then be a call back to their original debate on leadership and punishment and will be some protected exercise across all of the nations of Roshar to settle the debate for good. To win, Dalinar must truly "unite them".
I refuse to accept syladin. I do think Dalinar is top of the list to die. Kaladin, however, I’m not sure. I think his arc has been leading him towards a mentor role, but he’s also got the most to lose at this point. Also, there’s the line in book one about “everyone but him always dies”, and boy, if syl died tht would really drive that home. I do think he’s grown away from that though, and I doubt tht brandon would do that to him.
I’m pro chana davar at this point. And I think there’s a chance szeth winds up as one of the champions, since it’s his book, but idk which. I could see dalinar changing his mind, but it’s more likely that his relationship with taravangian gets exploited.
All in all, I’m stoked and I can’t wait til December. Halfway there!!
(I'm commenting before watching, so someone might mention this; I came up with it independently, but it's a fairly obvious idea, I feel)
I'm sticking with my "Kaladin swears the fifth oath, Syl is pulled into the physical realm by Ishar's mad science and survives due to her fifth ideal bond, Kaladin loses his powers in thematic accordance with his probable 'I accept that sometimes I'm the one who needs protection' fifth ideal, and they retire and become therapists together" theory. As we all know, the more complicated theories are, the more likely they are to be correct...
Unrelatedly, as to the shortness of the ten-day timespan, I recently read an MLP fic where a 500k word section took place in four in-world days, so it's definitely possible!
Here's a silly idea: What if the 9 unamde are just reflections of the Heralds? The reason there is one less is that these unmade started after the heralds betrayed their pact and remained on Roshar. Taln stayed on Braize and so never birthed an unmade?
gREAT EPISODE!
Well I may disagree with David here...Kaladin is the classic "too good" everyone is waiting for him to shine...I'm really into Szeth and his backstory
fairly certain the "shallan and dalinar" grouping is just the way he writes POVs for parts. like it would make sense to take the two POVs who are driving each arc, and then write the 'support' POVs in the next part. iirc that's how he handled shallan and adolin in RoW too.
I've always wondered if Odium's loophole is Shadesmar. The Fused already hold a lot of it, and if they were to start killing spren--which they can now do with anti-stormlight, and the spren are a lot more vulnerable in Shadesmar--the Radiants will have no choice but to take the battle there.
I'm really hoping we see a Thaidakar + Shallan conversation. I think it would be even cooler if it's a Thaidakar interlude.
Mentally preparing myself each day to the idea of Kaladin dying knowing perfectly well that I'll cry like a bitch nonetheless
34:00 I accept that leading an army will mean losses among my people. - Not nice.
38:00 Protection is inherently contradictory. They are a fighting force. Hence they kill to protect. Eventually they'll have to find a way to decide whom to protect. The Skybreakers are much more open in dealing with that. They accept that the answer is arbitrary.
48:30 Weirdly? Dalinar is taking an army into battle. What possible reason could he have for taking a swordmaster with him? This does not need at explanation.
52:00 What makes you think that Jasnah would have any interest in fighting the Ghostbloods? Harmony is a close partner of Hoid. Jasnah is very political. She will not be receptive to the idea of getting into a quasi-war with Scadrial. She'll tell Shallan to make peace.
54:00 The Lost Radiants chose the Recreance rather than setting her free and you suppose that Shallan just gets her and releases her?
59:00 You are raising a question. Would BAM actually want to return to Roshar? It would imply reentering Travangian's service.
1:09:00 Dalinar would not exactly stay dead. Something needs to happen in SA#6 - SA#10. Fused Dalinar will be on a roaring rampage through the Cosmere. He's the reason the Ghostbloods are losing the connection to so many worlds.
1:13:00 The leadership among the Radiants would fall to Navani if Dalinar is taken out.
1:15:00 Dalinar has a second son.
1:15:30 About what? And when? For a battle you need to move an army. You have ten days. We need to make our collective minds up. Either the contest is a small part of the book, maybe it even does not happen, or it is most of the book.
1:24:00 One of the Unmade has changed sides and bonded Dalinar.
1:45:30 There has to be something left for the next 5 books.
2:06:00 If unity is at stake, the Stormfather will lie. As would a Bondsmith. Just as Dalinar did concerning the death of Torol Sadeas. Dalinar and the Stormfather are about promises, not truth.
2:13:00 Shadesmar is a war zone.
2:14:00 The oathgates are useless to the Ghostbloods, unless they come to an understanding with the Radiants.
2:15:30 The contract assumes that there's a winner. It does not specify what happens if both contestants die.
I will protect even if I have to kill those I love? That would be tragic so it seems fitting. It also plays into the baby champion theory
My big theory is Dalinar loses the contest, but unbinds Honor from the Stormfather before he is sworn to Odium and then Kaladin ascends to Honor (we still don't have a context for the whole 'Son of Tanavast' thing, and brandon confirmed that's gonna be a thing)
For thoughts on how the world will be after the book, I think Iri will become new alethkar or at least the new home of the alethi after the exodus and odium wining the duel, if you read WoKP you’ll probably understand more why I think this.
What if anti-voidlight could un-unmake? Theoretically their original non-odium investiture should be intact
Where is ba ado mishram? The sun approaches the horizon perhaps?
I'm calling that the gemstone is the sun in shadesmare!
The gemstone is in the spiritual real
We're gonna need another prediction episode after the insanity that was sunlit man
OMG SYL STAYED IN THE PHYSCIAL REALM POST-RECREANCE BECAUSE SHE WAS BONDED TO A FIFTH ORDER RADIANT AND WAS FULLY IN THE PHYSICAL REALM. SYLADIN CONFIRMED!
My Predictions:
Kaladin - alive and well
Seth - Dead saving Dalinar
Shallan - She will form new personality-spren type magic that will hold the new pact. She will be alive but with no powers.
Adolin - He will die giving back the life to all the deadeyes. Maya will regain her full conciseness only to watch him die. This will be the saddest point of the book.
Dalinar - He will bind creation of Shallan to form new pact putting himself in spiritual realm with his fate TBD for later five books.
I think the flashbacks for Szeth are going to be critical and take up a lot of time. I hope someone duel wields honor blades...
With the talk of Gavinor or Oroden dying. If the Child Champion theory does pan out, they won't die. For the choice of Honor is life.
I feel like the connection between Shallan and Dalinar is forgotten pasts. Like, the conflict between dalinar and adolin is surrounding the past. Shallan is also going to have to explore her past.
Windrunner 5th Ideal: I am Hope
I can’t believe no one brought up Leshwi as a kaladin love interest. I will not stand for this slander
My predictions!
(1) The contest of champions won’t happen. Odium will trick Dalinar into attacking his champion before the contest starts.
(2) The Oathpact will be reforged, but with much better conditions for the new Heralds. Probably, it will bind Odium and the fused to Roshar, and the new Heralds will hide in Kharbranth.
(3) Jasnah will turn to Odium to achieve the greater good (in her eyes at least). Hopefully, she’ll bond Yelig-Nar.
I read comments like this and think that I'm reading these books wrong, by Ado these are thoughts I've never seen or contemplated, but all are possible even probable
Hiding the heralds in kharbranth is actually genius
@@BinarySeconddidn’t odium say he’d only spare people who are born or married to someone from kharbranth? Why would the heralds hide there? Am I missing something?
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“Kharbranth,” Odium said. “The city itself, and any humans who have been born into it, along with their spouses. This is whom I will spare. Do you agree to this?”
So, it sounds like anyone in the city is safe. And this deal just has become relevant somehow. The dramatic irony!
Jasnah is spending a lot of time with Hoid, there is no way she joins Odium's side. Hoid must have explained to her the danger of Odium for the whole Cosmere, Jasnah is smart and she is the character that is least guided by the passions, she has always been on the rational sight and critical evaluation. I highly doubt your number 3 here.
I used to be on team Dalinar Loses, but lately I've been feeling that Brandon is going to have to lean more into a "last stormlight book, back 5 is very far out and might never get written" kind of ending where it's a complex bittersweet ending that can be the complete conclusion but leaves enough of the threads he wants in back 5 to make it clear there can be more.
Syladin happens with plenty of babies for generations to come. Syladin become some "super Highspren" once Syladin normal lifespan ends and their adventure continues in the Cognitive.
Dalinar and Navani sacrifice themselves to forever seal TOdium on Roshar and freeing Braize. They have no regrets and pass into legends of Roshar.
Ashyn and Braize gets repopulated with humans on Ashyn and Parshendi on Braize.
Roshar becomes a DMZ where humans and Parshendi adventure into but at great risk.
Todium tempts and traps humans and Parshendi who venture onto Roshar into his great cosmere army. But not everyone gets captured and are difficult to hunt and enslave.
Fused are all consumed by Todium to replenish his own Voidlight after nearly succumbing to the last Champion conflict which Dalinar won but a phyrric victory giving Roshar to Todium.
Cultivation is finally forced into action but has to flee after Dalinar's victory and death. Cultivation "launches" Urithiru into Orbit of Roshar "killing" Navani and also generating a "field" that now traps Todium on Roshar. But fast "bullet" or "needle" ships can punch through the planetary blockade. Shadesmar is a mess around Roshar now.
Somehow StormFather and Roshar are melded and Storms are now constantly cycling around randomly all over Roshar ... StormFather is driven "mad" ? by Dalinar's death ?
Children of Syladin stabilize Rosharan weather locally due to their blood. Hence are heavily exploited by Todium to protect the vestiges of civilization on Roshar. Without Syladin's descendants Parshendi and humanity cannot survive Rosharan weather. Only Greatshells and axehounds and other wild native species will survive on Roshar now.
Todium cannot leave and has to issue "automatic" orders to his legions to venture forth into the Cosmere. Some of Todium's army have found loopholes due to Autonomy's meddling to break free from Todium "orders" and "control".
Shallan and Adolin part ways, Adolin becomes the God Emperor of Dead-Eyes with Maya as his Queen. Shallan gains her old Shardblade back and now Dual-Armors and Dual-Wields and also Dual-Bodies. Shallan and Radiant are now looking like twin-sisters and travel on adventures all over Shadesmar.
If Syladin happens I will start writing fan fiction specifically in order to create an alternate timeline where it didn’t
I think the whole Warlight theme doesn't get enough attention as a foreshadowing for the 5th book. It was literally a main plot conclusion in ROW. That plus the challenge between Honor's champion and Odium's champion, I feel like there is a significant suggestion that Warlight becomes a thing, inferring cooperation between the light of Odium and Honor.
It is interesting that the rewrite of the SotD sequel chapters changed violet tinted investiture to blue.
@@obviousalias132 was it the black blue of warlight or just changed from an inference of voidlight to stormlight?
What if BAM returns and has PTSD and is scared of her own shadow. Would that be major let down.
I think the missing shardblades are soulcasters.
I still think Taravangian’s Champion is gonna be Gavilar resurrected as a Fused. He’s a good enough fighter to contend with the Blackthorn in a fight, he would definitely rattle Dalinar and throw him off his game, and he’d be willing to go along with Taravangian’s nonsense. No other character fits those criteria as far as I can tell. There is the question of how Gavilar would still be around, but I’m sure Sanderson could find some way to justify it.
i disagree, first because of the way death has been shown to work in the Cosmere, i think Gavilar's is permanent, and second, i don't think that Gavilar is anywhere near the warrior that Dalinar was/is and i think Gavilar himself has always known that and any kind of martial clash between the two would almost always result in Dalinar's victory, and third, there's still no indication that the contest of champions itself will be a martial one, and i think that's going to ultimately be a major factor in Dalinar's defeat (yes i also ascribe to the theory that Dalinar is going to lose this and become the Fused Blackthorn rampaging the Cosmere in service of TaravOdium even though that's the last thing i want to happen to him)
as for who Odium's champion will be, i can't really commit to any particular possibility, it could be El who we've only gotten a brief glimpse of making him all intriguing and mysterious as a candidate, after his blinding and the way the story has played out for him i don't really see Moash fitting well as a champion, the baby champion Gavinor has been advanced as a possibility but i find the arguments for that fanciful and lacking, Adolin and Shallan have also been posited but i kind of view those candidacies in the same light as Gavinor just not enough to be even mildly convincing to me with what we know, another suggestion has been Taravangian himself in his own guise pretending to have been saved by Odium but i'm not sure if he'd really be allowed to with Shardic Intent shenanigans, but the most interesting suggestion that i've actually seen honestly, is the Herald Ishar, given the nature of his insanity i think it would be very easy to manipulate him into the role and would make for an Unchained Bondsmith v Bondsmith matchup, which if this is the route Sando goes, makes me think that Kal and Szeth's attempts to help the Herald will either not be sufficient, or possibly directly contribute to him becoming Odium's champion
all that said, i'm absolutely salivating to get my hands on the book as soon as humanly possible and devour it whole
The only way Gavilar returns is as a Warbreaker Style, Animated statue of himself. Compelled using breaths. He is literally entombed the same way as Kalads Phantoms. So its the only viable possibility. We know there is no cognitive shadow of him because he wasnt invested enough on his death.
This could be easily explained by cutting to Poe Dameron, and he says: "Somehow Gavilar Returned"
I’m still holding out for the Stormwarden’s to have a comeback and actually mean something…
I wonder if the 5th ideal is always the ideal that tips the strengths of these oaths into their weakness/sin/antithesis. Perhaps that was what caused the Radiants to fall.
Just like all these shards of Adonalsium have push TOO far into their good strengths, maybe the Orders will do so as well.
Something David said made me think. Ishar is pulling Spren out of the cognitive realm. I don't think he's trying to short cut to 5th ideal. I think he's trying to make artificial basic radiants.
The Spren have to enter the physical realm, they just lose themselves for a time.
If he can pull them through and then use his honorblade to force a connection and nahel bond can he get radiants with powers that haven't sworn oaths?