I thought it was pretty clear that Szeth is truthless because he tried to tell his people that Radiant powers were returning and they didn't believe him and sentenced him Truthless as a result.
It has also been stated that fighters are not positions of power, more like servants or slaves. There are also many theories that Shin has hundreds if not thousands of the lost shardblades. Training with honor blades is probably more of a duty than an... honor...
I'm a bit late to the party, but in Oathbringer (page 867) Szeth talks with Nightblood and says: "I knew a voice like yours once, sword-nimi." The whispers? " No. A single one, in my mind, when i was young." (...) "I hope it goes better this time". Maybe Szeth was in the process of bonding a spren and talking to it, which would explain why he "knew" that the Radiants were forming again & the voidbringers would return which led to him being truthless in the eyes of the shin?
I think the Ishar problem will be a major issue for Books 6-10. I think Ishar will be the main antagonist in books 6-10. This will allow us to see flashbacks of some Heralds and how they formed the Oathpact.
It had nothing to do with this powers. Those were always available with honor blades. It was that the radiance were returning only at least that's all we can gather so far.
@@LlM0 Yeah, I don't know what I misread there. I think I thought you said "the radiance were returning and his powers, and they exiled him". I must've been pretty stoned that night.
Knowing Taravangian, becoming Odium, gaining a shard and tasting its power, probably means if anyone can reforge Honor, he thinks it ought to be him. He’s probably becoming aware of the external threats to Roshar from other worlds and wants to be the one who protects Roshar from that because of his pride. He and Dalinar have this shared theme of desiring power, albeit for somewhat different reasons.
I think new information from Yumi and the nightmare painter really supports the idea that the Spren that Ishar experimented with are being bonded in some way to previously human bodies. When Yumi and painter transfer, yumi’s innate investiture allows her to “heal” her body to match her perception and spiritual aspect. This results in painter’s body transforming to look like Yumi. Spren might have enough investiture to do something similar, but they “heal” into an impossible form because their body has no understanding of internal organs or anything like that.
What a great video!!! The hard work that's gone into it is more than evident! So many good questions, I am counting down the days until I have Wind and Truth in my hands
Cultivation didn't foresee Taravangian ascending to the Shard of Odium, she made it happen. She gave him intelligent days to help him plan ahead, and she gave him emotional days to draw Rayse in to make a deal and to allow Taravangian to bond Odium. Renarins future seeing abilities shrouded Szeth and Nightblood from Odiums notice, but somehow Cultivation knew when to send Taravangian his "stupidest" day... because she has been coordinating with Sja-Anat the whole time. Sja-Anat sent Renarin his spren in the first place and conspired with Taravangian to draw in Odium on the day he died. I wouldn't be surprised if Cultivation didn't conspire to bring Nightblood to Roshar in the first place. She committed from the beginning to give Taravangian what he asked for "the capacity to save humankind" and she still has a hook in him. The vacillation between intelligent and emotional was an essential part of the boon, so what, then, is the real curse?
That's a really good point. Makes me thingk maybe Odium doesn't get beaten in the fifth book and this sets up a new plot for the second era to take down Taravangian/expand into the cosmere more.
Taln's honorblade will actually be a major plot point in the Stonewalkers Adventure Path coming out next year for the Cosmere (Stormlight RPG). We dont have the specifics yet as it hasnt been released, but we've been told that one of the quests the player characters will have will be finding Taln's Honorblade. From what ive seen from Brotherwise games and Brandon, the sword questions will be primarily be answered in the RPG, probably only referenced in WaT
Andolin will be Dalinar's champion. He's literally been set up as the best 1 on 1 duelist the entire series. Also, the setup for a Herald being Odium's champion is strong. Why else would we have the setup of seeing Ishar fighting off 5 radiants at once, being 'average'? It's possible that Nale will be this Herald. Andolin will lose, but probably not die completely, per the precedent Jasnah established on duels of honor). This thus explains the specificity of Dalinar's punishment, abd this will allow T to have his friend back, forever. (Plus we keep them both for future books)
I really think Adolin will be Odium's champion. Ever since he poked sadeas in the eye, I've had a suspicion that our golden boy will fall from grace. His skill in dueling only makes it more likely that he will be involved somehow
I'm fairly confident that the "bad guys" win in book 5. Here's a few reasons why. 1. Something happened to all of the Windrunners that Sigzil's new, skybreaker spren says "isn't all his fault." 2. Sigzil seems pretty certain that Kaladin is dead. 3. Several of the most powerful agents in the Cosmere, notably Hoid, seem to want to combine all of the shards back into Adonalsium Jr. 4. Brandon has said on Intentionally Blank that a win for the home team is not guaranteed in each era of a multi-era series. I think that by the end of book 5, we see either Taravangian or Dalinar holding all 3 Rosharan shards.
Great video! Thanks for mentioning Taln’s honor blade, that doesn’t seem to be brought up enough. Here’s a few other questions that I’m hoping for an answer to; 1. Why did Honor and Odium swap between humans and singers? 2. Where are the potentially thousands of shardblades from the recreance? Both Adolin and Dalinar have thought of this in passing (thinking Shinovar) 3. What’s up with the wind and Kaladin? From his very first appearance he seems to have some sort of special connection to…something. But what?
These are all great additional questions. #1 I have been wondering about that myself, the timeline seems super odd and fuzzy from what we know so far #2 Who knows! Maybe they were just lost? Maybe they're in shin hands? Aimia maybe? #3 I'm re-reading the books from the beginning right now, and I can't believe how I missed just HOW connected Kaladin and the wind are the first time around. It's everywhere, especially in Way of Kings!
I dont know if you've been reading the preview chapters for Wind and Truth but there is an answer to your second question in one of the chapters. I don't want to spoil it if you haven't read though
Yea it’s kind of unbelievable how much the wind comes up. My friends and I started our rereads and one of them noticed the thing in the first chapter. Then we went down the rabbit hole of how often does the wind act weird with Kaladin, and it’s surprisingly frequent
There is a cool Dawnshard theory on reddit that the 4 Dawnshard commands are Live, Grow, Fall and Change. They are based off of something Nomad says in Sunlit Man.
As to the question of whether we know that anyone, other than Rysn, is currently a Dawnshard... what a Torment. It is a Torment indeed. The word "currently" is a Torment, as is the word "Torment". Torment. Torment. Sunlit. Torment.
I always assumed that the issues with Ghostbloods being up to no good was just due to how much time had past. The survivor essentially becoming obsessed with surviving above and beyond anything else the same way those who hold a shard eventually become owned by the shard's intention.
13:44 not sure I'm breaking any rules by saying this but for anyone who doesn't want spoilers here is your warning. Ba Ado Mishram's prison is locked in the spiritual realm, Brandon did a reading at an event about a month or 2 before this comment (you can find the video on RUclips), where he read some shallan chapters from W&T and it's revealed in that reading that her prison is indeed stuck in the spiritual realm
Yep, I read that chapter as well. I just wanted to keep this video as friendly as possible for those who are waiting for release. That being said, this is one of those answers that just raises a ton more interesting questions than it actually answers. I think we're going into the spiritual realm in this book, and I am so stoked to see what that's like!
Anyone else worried for Syl going into book 5?😅 Maybe im wrong, but I get the feeling that the inclusion of Ishar's experiments and the fact that Kaladin's quest is likely to cross paths with Ishar sets up a possible scenario where Syl could be a possible test subject.
I think Syl will be a test subject, and her strong bond with Kaladin will allow her to servive the transition into the physical world. This would possibly set up the whole Syladin ship
@Spamual2 her character just doesn't go anywhere. It's as if he's just not ready for her development to finish so he just keeps dragging it out. It feels similar to a good character having to become an idiot for plot convenience. Shallan has to stay messed up and boring so plot can work.
As for "willing champion", remember that Odium is a Shard and has ways to compel will. As horrible as the Sadeas army was, even they wouldn't knowingly side with Odium against the rest of humanity. But their hatred was considered enough of an opening. Dalinar himself nearly fell and became Odium's champion. Of the few things we've ever heard Gavinor say, he thirsts for vengeance. Odium owns and commands the object of that vengeance. "Hey Gavinor, I will give you the vengeance you seek, I will let you spill Moash's blood, all you need to do is let me into your heart, where I already am anyway." Honestly, this is possibly the most-likely part of the theory. Also, you're assuming the Honor champion will be Dalinar. If it's someone else, way easier sell to get Gavinor to be it. And the whole point of the "baby champion" thing is, it's not an offensive move by Vargodium. This isn't him saying, aha, this child will easily kill this seasoned veteran with an amazing butt. Remember, win or lose, Odium loses. When Vargodium was reviewing the contract, he mentioned that he saw some way out of the confines of the pact. Which means, whether he succeeds or not, whatever Champion he chooses, whatever his move is, it's to try and force an outcome other than win or loss. Like, Gavinor not being able (or even willing) to kill Dalinar, and Dalinar not being willing to strike down Elhokar's son.
Re: Taln's blade: The WOB you showed on screen seems to imply that Wit DID take the blade, but has since passed it on. "I dunno if I've told people whether or not he at one point had the sword"... so my best guess for who currently holds it is Jasnah. For what purpose/significance, I have no idea :) Great work on this video, thank you for sharing!
Cultivation's goal might also be to prepare Roshar for the interplanetary war that Odium was hinting at. She's either trying to stop it, but likely won't be able to, but she wants to cultivate her natives to be ready for it
@@judsonbates1359 honestly, I think his current motives are "find a way to be human again". The attempts to transport stormlight are likely a way to fund future projects while learning about the nature of investiture. He and Shai both have a strong dislike of Hoid, and they are probably trying to sabotage whatever he is working on. Ultimately, Kelsier's motives are simply to live freely. But I expect events to force him into a more proactive role. He feels it is his duty - as the most awesome person around - to protect others from tyrants and evil gods. Both Odium and Dalinar will get under his skin, and he will insist on fighting back instead of surrendering.
@@rustygray5058 I guess I just don’t know where the Cosmere is going. I assume Odium is going to win and become a Cosmere wide threat. From what you’re saying I assume Kelsier will help in the fight again Odium then, but to completely do so, he needs to become human again?
Knowing Taravangian, becoming Odium, gaining a shard and tasting its power, probably means if anyone can reforge Honor, he thinks it ought to be him. He’s probably becoming aware of the external threats to Roshar from other worlds and wants tobe the one who protects Roshar from that because of his pride.
Quick observation on sound for the video, there a lot of pops and mouth noicea on the track. It also feels like the treble is way up and bass is way down. Listening on headphones, mostly on the male track
Do we know how the timelines between Cosmere books link up? If you popped over from Roshar to Scadrial, would you find yourself in the Wax & Wayne era or the future era? Maybe the Ghostbloods seem so different because the ones we are seeing in Roshar have another 50-100 years behind them.
Era 2 of Mistborn is after era 1 of stormlight as far as I'm aware. And I'd assume that era 1 of Mistborn is before era 1 of Stormlight, what with Keslier and the Ghostbloods and all.
Ishar might well be trying to find a way to get spren away from Roshar. This seems to be a theme with the Heralds. I think he's forcing them to form human-ish bodies by severing their connection to shadesmar as completely as possible.
I have always wondered if there is a connection between the deadeyes and the half ascended Elantrians. Perhaps B-A-M serves a similar function as that process and it has been stopped much like those in the book elantris.
The intent of the shard of cultivation is change if I'm not wrong. So if the vessel is aligning with the intent of change. The biggest change the shard can go through itself is changing a vessel
I always took Taravangian’s boon/curse to be he was gifted great intelligence and great compassion, but never both at the same time. All the days he’s “stupid” they note that he is especially weepy, versus his more intelligent days he’s recommending eugenics lol
Pretty sure Dalinar was supposed to be his first champion, and then Moash. Odium says something about not being able to use his first two choices since the regaining of the tower. I assumed he was talking about Moash's blindness as the second reason.
I'm a little sad that the book does take place over the 10 days, mostly because that's so short, and we'll be waiting 6 years for the next book, to see the impact of whatever happens. But I am SO excited for this book
What if Jasnah becomes the champion, holds a Dawnshard (Learn?) and out thinks Taravodium? Mostly, I just think it would make for a good surprise, a great strategy and I feel like she's more cut out to be a demigod or greater, than just be a person.
Ghost bloods have the honor blade id bet. Also keep in mind summoning the honor blade may be a similar process to summoning a dead eye, a process invented more recently he wouldn’t have known about. Otherwise the heralds could have summoned their blades at any point in the last 4000 years. Nail had to “recover” his.
I think Ba-Ado-Mishram and the other Unmade were originally independent God-Spren, like the Stormfather. They need to be Re-made for the true resolution of the conflict.
This is a dumb question for a lot of you probably but the sun lit man has a loose connection with the storm light series, and it also mentions a dawn shard. Does anyone know how that novel plays into this or if it gave any hints about anything?
I got the same vibe from Ishar's experiments as i do from the ghostbloods trying to get investiture off world. I think the 2 are heavily related though i dont think ishar is working with the ghostbloods
Great video, as always! A few thoughts though. Please, feel free to tell me I'm clueless! lol 1. I don't think the contest will be physical though. For some reason, punching each other for Roshar does not resonate with me. I don't know what the format of the contest will be, but I don't believe it will be physical combat between the two champions. 2. I don't think Moash will be Odium's Champion! Mostly because I don't think he is Connected to Odium enough to do it. But, also, it would be a pretty GREAT jump in the importance of his character. He strikes me as the kind of person who is constantly used and manipulated because he has no control over his actions. Choosing him would mean leaving him at the mercy of Dalinar or whoever the champion will be. Any little crack in Odium's protection, and he will break... as was the case when he tried to kill Navani at the end of Rhythm of War. 3. El gives me Hoid vibes! Haha 4. Another question may be: What is Maya's revelation at Adolin's Trial at lasting Integrity going to affect the attitude of the spren towards Nahel bonds in the future? Especially the spren of the Releasers and the Willshapers, some of who have decided to either no longer bond humans or actively support Odium. 5. Minor plot question: WIll Dalinar and Adolin's relationship be fixed in WAT? What would that look like? 6. Just a side: I can't believe I forgot that Taln's Honor Blade is missing!!! 7. Regarding Honor's shard, I agree that the Shard will be reforged and Kaladin will ascend to take up the shard. 8. I LOVE your Cultivation theories! Just love 'em! 9. I don't think Kelsier is as bad as we are being given the impression he is. Brandon does POVs very well, and I think Mistborn Era 3 will provide even more nuance with Kelsier's character! 10. About the Dawnshards: I think if there is Dawnshard sub-plot, it might be too much for just one novel no matter how long. Maybe it will be subtle, but I don't think we will get much there. More likely, I think it will be a major plot in the second half of SA.
Can someone explain this "connection" between Ba Ado Mishram and the "dead" spren that this guy keeps stating as a given? Where in the books does it make a connection between Mishram's capture and spren "dying"?
I just listened to a podcast sharing book 5 predictions and one guy said, "This is a given, Shallan will finally be revealed as Lightsong" and all the other guys were like "Oh yeah, of course." Would love to get thoughts from Lore and Bookborn on this one. I thought this theory was really bizarre and that podcast was the only source I've heard it. It made me wonder if they're just in an echo chamber and one host convinced the rest that this is a thing. Or am I missing something??
My theory is ba-ADO-mishram holds a dawn shard hence the ADO part (as in ADOnalsium) in her name. So they will obtain a dawn shard in the book or atleast find mishram and she will do a dawnshard thing when released. Good or bad I cannot say. But the theory stands that she holds a dawn shard so would actually be powerful enough to create a false desolation.
The most hype champion fight would be Adolin, Shalan, Kaladin, Szeth, vs Ishar, Shalash, Jezerien, Nale. Idk Shalan/Shalash can prolly be substituted for Talenel and the Fused guy that consumed the pursurer at the end of RoW. I don't think its gonna be a 1 v 1 but who knows only 1 more day till final book is published haha.
So one thing nobody's asking is...what will a contest of champions involve? Nobody says outright that it's a fight. As a matter of fact, someone said, I believe it was Hoid, that the contest will be about "what else? The hearts and minds of men" which makes me think it could actually be about who can convince the most people to their side. As for who I think will be Odium's Champion? Adolin is actually a decent option because Odium isn't evil. Odium is passion. Odium isn't "destruction", that'd be Ruin, who is already dead, fused to Preservation back on Scadrial as a new Shard, Harmony. Odium is about all passions, especially the darker ones. Adolin has more than once thrown away his honor to follow his passions. When he killed Sadeus, several times when he wanted to fight people but had to be restrained, and many times when he, off-screen, dueled people because of slights to his father's honor despite it being hard to justify with the codes of war going on and him honor-bound to follow them. Could Odium convince Adolin that the only way to save Roshar is to force them into a war across the stars...? One more thing. Dawnshards. My theory is they are "Live" "Change" "Die" and "Think". I remember a WoB or something saying that one of the Dawnshards "doesn't fit" with the other three. Three to make the cycle of life and death, a fourth to create thinking beings capable of understanding the universe? That...would make sense as four commands that CREATED THE UNIVERSE.
The name of Rysn's Dawnshard was RAFO'd, so was if it was the same one Hoid had. Why are we suddenly certain they are different and that Rysn's is name Change?
I thought Szeth was declared truthless simply for saying the Radiants had returned. The Shin people did not want to believe it as that meant a whole lot of bad stuff was coming.
Honor will be reforged and Dalinar will be his vessel. Honor and Odium will then destroy each other in their battle of champions and Kaladin will take up both the shards of Honor and Odium to become the shard of War.
If Adolin is not the champion I am going to shake my head. Dude has literally spent his life for dueling. I don't care if he is not radient, he is an obvious choice for me
Also that quote doesn’t entail that it’s not human bodies at all. You can interpret it either way. “When transferred (into a body) the organs form most naturally (from regular organs) “
Gonna go out on a limb and speculate that Adolin will be the one who earns the mantle of Honor. He has done plenty enougb to attract a spren bond, but has not been chosen. Thus, I believe he will ascend during W&T.
8:10 Dal didn't hang out with Gav at all. The boy was with his mom while the king and Dal went to the shattered plains. As much as I DONT want it to be the child, it's that gut-wrenching twist that Sanderson could pull on us. You bring up that the boy would have to be willing? That kid has gone through some serious trauma. Odium can use his kid mind to twist the trauma he has gone through to turn the boy against those who took him from his mother AND let his father die. Sanderson has us readers ride along with various mental illnesses and personal struggles. Gav being Odium's champion would be the perfect weapon against Dal if he's the champion. Dal failed his brother by not being sober to save him (even though he realizes it wouldn't have mattered), he failed saving his son (losing taking back their homeland), and then he would have to personally kill the son of the king he failed. It's terrible, but I can see this happening and if it does, Dal... will... lose. Since this ends the first half of the series, I believe it will either be a bitter sweet ending, or a absolute loss. Sanderson has started series with the "bad guy" already winning (mistborn era 1), so who's to say he can conclude this ark in darkness as well. If Dal is the champion, it will be little Gav. If it's Kal, then it has to be Moash! I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm just disagreeing with your reasoning for it not to be the boy. Dal isn't in Gav's life at all really. He's just the big crazy guy who let his dad die and took him away from his mom.
Spoilers for Mistborn. Spoilers. Spoilers. Spoilers. Ishar is a Cognitive Shadow, exactly like Kelsier. Kelsier can't leave his home planet, Scadriel. He's stuck there. It's because investiture can not leave It's origin point, and Ghostbloods are trying to figure out how to make that happen. If you read Mistborn Era 2, you find out that Kel is alive and he's leader of the Ghostbloods, making him the one who wants investiture to be able to leave it's homeworld. They chose Roshar to be the base of operations for experiments because of the constant renewing of investiture, via high storms. As far as we know, Restares (the Herald/Cognitive Shadow Shallan was supposed to "kill") knows more about the process than anyone. That's why Kelsier wanted him. The dagger was going to trap his investiture, which might have killed him, but it might have forced him to speak to Kelsier. Ishar is doing his own experiments, but he doesn't have the Ghostbloods to do his work for him.
Isn’t it a big miss to not even discuss what’s going on with Mayalaran and the return of the deadeyes? You know, a huge plot thread from Rhythm? Feels like something important is going on there, no?
Maybe, but she also made him compassionate on his non-intelligent days - and those days of compassion have been more common than days of intelligence. I don’t think that’s a coincidence and I think a compassionate Odium could be…interesting. Specifically, I think Cultivation has made him dominated by the dumb and compassionate side of his boon prior to taking up Odium on purpose - just as she made Dalinars memories return shortly before as well.
I think champion will be Adolin. It will end up being him by some twist or something unexpected. Then the dueling foreshadowing and setup for his whole arc will be fulfilled. Mark my words. Maya will bond him as a radiant when yes about to lose or when he’s about to die. It will heal him and her and he will rise a radiant and defeat the champion. (I have no clue who the bad guy champion will be, I’m guessing a new character or Sadeus reborn. lol ) I still don’t believe Odium will abide by this whole thing if he loses, and Dalinar will step in and punish him with some bondsmith type shit. Adolin may not be the champion, but I still think he will end up bonding Maya and healing her. And knowing Brandon it will be at the last second.
@@LoreoftheWorldsNgl I firmly belived this before RoW but after that book cementing adolin as a pure hearted hero Im simply confused about the champion of odium
I just want to say, so it's Written somewhere, that Honour + Odium = Vengeance With just that I think you can guess what my future cosmere-wide theory is 😎
@miller0002 yeah I think so. After reading through the whole series again I feel like Moash does not want a redemption. He wants the easy way out of giving up his emotions.
I thought it was pretty clear that Szeth is truthless because he tried to tell his people that Radiant powers were returning and they didn't believe him and sentenced him Truthless as a result.
I thought it was that the void bringers were returning... I need to re read twok...
Yep that’s what I think is the case as well
It has also been stated that fighters are not positions of power, more like servants or slaves. There are also many theories that Shin has hundreds if not thousands of the lost shardblades. Training with honor blades is probably more of a duty than an... honor...
Yeah I never even doubted that it was anything other than the return of the Radiants/Nahel Bond until just now.
@@nathangarza8911 Two sides of the same coin
The only way Moash could redeem himself is he is accepts being Odiums champion, then promptly unalives himself.
Damn... Your right 🤣🤣
Agreed…. No other way is acceptable
I'll never forgive him
@@patrickmallon9489 never 😢
*Kills himself
I'm a bit late to the party, but in Oathbringer (page 867) Szeth talks with Nightblood and says:
"I knew a voice like yours once, sword-nimi." The whispers? " No. A single one, in my mind, when i was young." (...) "I hope it goes better this time".
Maybe Szeth was in the process of bonding a spren and talking to it, which would explain why he "knew" that the Radiants were forming again & the voidbringers would return which led to him being truthless in the eyes of the shin?
Question 3b "what was Ba-Ado-Mishram" before she was unmade is, in my opinion, the most important question.
@samroth7995 I have a theory that depends on having read some of the preview chapters. Are you okay with spoilers for those?
I've heard a theory from another youtber that the unmade were dawnshards, but I have no idea how to feel about that
@@Unoriginal____Starwalker I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed there have only ever been four Dawnshards.
@@shrouded8797 Yeah when I was watching that video I was not feeling it xD
@@shrouded8797 What's yout theory?
I think the Ishar problem will be a major issue for Books 6-10. I think Ishar will be the main antagonist in books 6-10. This will allow us to see flashbacks of some Heralds and how they formed the Oathpact.
I love this theory!
10:23 Szeth was deemed Truthless because he said the radiants were returning and his people exiled him for it basically.
It had nothing to do with this powers. Those were always available with honor blades. It was that the radiance were returning only at least that's all we can gather so far.
@@fishtailfuture yes? That's literally what I said?
@@LlM0
Yeah, I don't know what I misread there. I think I thought you said "the radiance were returning and his powers, and they exiled him".
I must've been pretty stoned that night.
@@fishtailfuture Lol, all good
Knowing Taravangian, becoming Odium, gaining a shard and tasting its power, probably means if anyone can reforge Honor, he thinks it ought to be him. He’s probably becoming aware of the external threats to Roshar from other worlds and wants to be the one who protects Roshar from that because of his pride. He and Dalinar have this shared theme of desiring power, albeit for somewhat different reasons.
I think new information from Yumi and the nightmare painter really supports the idea that the Spren that Ishar experimented with are being bonded in some way to previously human bodies.
When Yumi and painter transfer, yumi’s innate investiture allows her to “heal” her body to match her perception and spiritual aspect. This results in painter’s body transforming to look like Yumi. Spren might have enough investiture to do something similar, but they “heal” into an impossible form because their body has no understanding of internal organs or anything like that.
Lore your music always bangs so frickin hard dude. Glad to see you posting again.
What a great video!!! The hard work that's gone into it is more than evident! So many good questions, I am counting down the days until I have Wind and Truth in my hands
Cultivation didn't foresee Taravangian ascending to the Shard of Odium, she made it happen. She gave him intelligent days to help him plan ahead, and she gave him emotional days to draw Rayse in to make a deal and to allow Taravangian to bond Odium. Renarins future seeing abilities shrouded Szeth and Nightblood from Odiums notice, but somehow Cultivation knew when to send Taravangian his "stupidest" day... because she has been coordinating with Sja-Anat the whole time. Sja-Anat sent Renarin his spren in the first place and conspired with Taravangian to draw in Odium on the day he died. I wouldn't be surprised if Cultivation didn't conspire to bring Nightblood to Roshar in the first place. She committed from the beginning to give Taravangian what he asked for "the capacity to save humankind" and she still has a hook in him. The vacillation between intelligent and emotional was an essential part of the boon, so what, then, is the real curse?
That's a really good point. Makes me thingk maybe Odium doesn't get beaten in the fifth book and this sets up a new plot for the second era to take down Taravangian/expand into the cosmere more.
U are onto something for sure will keep this theory in the back of my head
Taln's honorblade will actually be a major plot point in the Stonewalkers Adventure Path coming out next year for the Cosmere (Stormlight RPG). We dont have the specifics yet as it hasnt been released, but we've been told that one of the quests the player characters will have will be finding Taln's Honorblade. From what ive seen from Brotherwise games and Brandon, the sword questions will be primarily be answered in the RPG, probably only referenced in WaT
Andolin will be Dalinar's champion. He's literally been set up as the best 1 on 1 duelist the entire series.
Also, the setup for a Herald being Odium's champion is strong. Why else would we have the setup of seeing Ishar fighting off 5 radiants at once, being 'average'? It's possible that Nale will be this Herald.
Andolin will lose, but probably not die completely, per the precedent Jasnah established on duels of honor).
This thus explains the specificity of Dalinar's punishment, abd this will allow T to have his friend back, forever. (Plus we keep them both for future books)
I really think Adolin will be Odium's champion. Ever since he poked sadeas in the eye, I've had a suspicion that our golden boy will fall from grace. His skill in dueling only makes it more likely that he will be involved somehow
Sunlit man adds more context to the dawnshards
I wonder if there were 10 original Spren including the Wind. One for each Herald. 9 of them got unmade
And the 10th is whatever Cusicesh was!? It always stood out to me as a weird thing that was never mentioned again
this is a high-fidelity video with all the 3d models, great analysis too!
Sucked in for 20 minutes at 1 AM before realizing this is 50 minutes long… Sleep can wait. Awesome video so far!!
Dalinar is unity, he can unite the shards of honor into the vessel
Or that Dalinar will BECOME Unity and unite the rebuilt shard of honor and the odium shard
great video; love the chain web for BAM!
Edit: all the graphics are awesome
Thank you! The chain web was my favorite to make 😁
I'm fairly confident that the "bad guys" win in book 5. Here's a few reasons why.
1. Something happened to all of the Windrunners that Sigzil's new, skybreaker spren says "isn't all his fault."
2. Sigzil seems pretty certain that Kaladin is dead.
3. Several of the most powerful agents in the Cosmere, notably Hoid, seem to want to combine all of the shards back into Adonalsium Jr.
4. Brandon has said on Intentionally Blank that a win for the home team is not guaranteed in each era of a multi-era series.
I think that by the end of book 5, we see either Taravangian or Dalinar holding all 3 Rosharan shards.
Yeah Kaladin died from old age.
Source for #3?
Keep up the good work man, someday Stormlight will blow all over the world
Great video! Thanks for mentioning Taln’s honor blade, that doesn’t seem to be brought up enough.
Here’s a few other questions that I’m hoping for an answer to;
1. Why did Honor and Odium swap between humans and singers?
2. Where are the potentially thousands of shardblades from the recreance? Both Adolin and Dalinar have thought of this in passing (thinking Shinovar)
3. What’s up with the wind and Kaladin? From his very first appearance he seems to have some sort of special connection to…something. But what?
These are all great additional questions.
#1 I have been wondering about that myself, the timeline seems super odd and fuzzy from what we know so far
#2 Who knows! Maybe they were just lost? Maybe they're in shin hands? Aimia maybe?
#3 I'm re-reading the books from the beginning right now, and I can't believe how I missed just HOW connected Kaladin and the wind are the first time around. It's everywhere, especially in Way of Kings!
I dont know if you've been reading the preview chapters for Wind and Truth but there is an answer to your second question in one of the chapters. I don't want to spoil it if you haven't read though
@@tommy.mp4 Oh boy! Yea I haven't been reading them. Want to wait for the book
Yea it’s kind of unbelievable how much the wind comes up. My friends and I started our rereads and one of them noticed the thing in the first chapter. Then we went down the rabbit hole of how often does the wind act weird with Kaladin, and it’s surprisingly frequent
@@tommy.mp4in which of the preview chapters?
There is a cool Dawnshard theory on reddit that the 4 Dawnshard commands are Live, Grow, Fall and Change. They are based off of something Nomad says in Sunlit Man.
I'll look this up - thank you!
As to the question of whether we know that anyone, other than Rysn, is currently a Dawnshard... what a Torment. It is a Torment indeed. The word "currently" is a Torment, as is the word "Torment". Torment. Torment. Sunlit. Torment.
I personally believe that Adolin's actions will lead to the reforge of Honor and he will ascend and become Honor's vessel.
I always assumed that the issues with Ghostbloods being up to no good was just due to how much time had past. The survivor essentially becoming obsessed with surviving above and beyond anything else the same way those who hold a shard eventually become owned by the shard's intention.
This is an excellent video, great job to both of you!
Oh, hello!
Thank you, fellow Kyle
13:44 not sure I'm breaking any rules by saying this but for anyone who doesn't want spoilers here is your warning. Ba Ado Mishram's prison is locked in the spiritual realm, Brandon did a reading at an event about a month or 2 before this comment (you can find the video on RUclips), where he read some shallan chapters from W&T and it's revealed in that reading that her prison is indeed stuck in the spiritual realm
Yep, I read that chapter as well. I just wanted to keep this video as friendly as possible for those who are waiting for release.
That being said, this is one of those answers that just raises a ton more interesting questions than it actually answers. I think we're going into the spiritual realm in this book, and I am so stoked to see what that's like!
Anyone else worried for Syl going into book 5?😅 Maybe im wrong, but I get the feeling that the inclusion of Ishar's experiments and the fact that Kaladin's quest is likely to cross paths with Ishar sets up a possible scenario where Syl could be a possible test subject.
I think Syl will be a test subject, and her strong bond with Kaladin will allow her to servive the transition into the physical world. This would possibly set up the whole Syladin ship
As long as there isn't any kaladin/syl romance
@@tanlund5735 Oh god...
This was an amazing video
Main unaswered questions:
1. Shallan
2. Shallan
3. Shallan
Yawn
Shallan! Shallan! Shallan! (winks in preview chapters).
@@ska4dragonsshe’s easily become the most overcomplicated and boring character
@Spamual2 her character just doesn't go anywhere. It's as if he's just not ready for her development to finish so he just keeps dragging it out.
It feels similar to a good character having to become an idiot for plot convenience. Shallan has to stay messed up and boring so plot can work.
As for "willing champion", remember that Odium is a Shard and has ways to compel will. As horrible as the Sadeas army was, even they wouldn't knowingly side with Odium against the rest of humanity. But their hatred was considered enough of an opening. Dalinar himself nearly fell and became Odium's champion. Of the few things we've ever heard Gavinor say, he thirsts for vengeance. Odium owns and commands the object of that vengeance. "Hey Gavinor, I will give you the vengeance you seek, I will let you spill Moash's blood, all you need to do is let me into your heart, where I already am anyway." Honestly, this is possibly the most-likely part of the theory.
Also, you're assuming the Honor champion will be Dalinar. If it's someone else, way easier sell to get Gavinor to be it. And the whole point of the "baby champion" thing is, it's not an offensive move by Vargodium. This isn't him saying, aha, this child will easily kill this seasoned veteran with an amazing butt. Remember, win or lose, Odium loses. When Vargodium was reviewing the contract, he mentioned that he saw some way out of the confines of the pact. Which means, whether he succeeds or not, whatever Champion he chooses, whatever his move is, it's to try and force an outcome other than win or loss. Like, Gavinor not being able (or even willing) to kill Dalinar, and Dalinar not being willing to strike down Elhokar's son.
Re: Taln's blade: The WOB you showed on screen seems to imply that Wit DID take the blade, but has since passed it on. "I dunno if I've told people whether or not he at one point had the sword"... so my best guess for who currently holds it is Jasnah. For what purpose/significance, I have no idea :) Great work on this video, thank you for sharing!
Cultivation's goal might also be to prepare Roshar for the interplanetary war that Odium was hinting at. She's either trying to stop it, but likely won't be able to, but she wants to cultivate her natives to be ready for it
I am not watching the video because, i haven't read stormlight yet, but that Thumbnail is the best 😂😂
Did you know you have 30 minutes? That’s the Stormlight 5 cover and it comes out Dec 6, time to lock in.
Would Ishar’s experiments allow Taravangian or the Heralds to leave the Roshar system?
More importantly, would they allow Kelsier to leave the Scadrian system?
@@rustygray5058 That's got to be where it's going, right?
@@rustygray5058 What are Kelsier’s motives? What is he planning if he can leave Scadrial?
@@judsonbates1359 honestly, I think his current motives are "find a way to be human again". The attempts to transport stormlight are likely a way to fund future projects while learning about the nature of investiture. He and Shai both have a strong dislike of Hoid, and they are probably trying to sabotage whatever he is working on.
Ultimately, Kelsier's motives are simply to live freely. But I expect events to force him into a more proactive role. He feels it is his duty - as the most awesome person around - to protect others from tyrants and evil gods. Both Odium and Dalinar will get under his skin, and he will insist on fighting back instead of surrendering.
@@rustygray5058 I guess I just don’t know where the Cosmere is going. I assume Odium is going to win and become a Cosmere wide threat. From what you’re saying I assume Kelsier will help in the fight again Odium then, but to completely do so, he needs to become human again?
Knowing Taravangian, becoming Odium, gaining a shard and tasting its power, probably means if anyone can reforge Honor, he thinks it ought to be him. He’s probably becoming aware of the external threats to Roshar from other worlds and wants tobe the one who protects Roshar from that because of his pride.
Quick observation on sound for the video, there a lot of pops and mouth noicea on the track. It also feels like the treble is way up and bass is way down.
Listening on headphones, mostly on the male track
Do we know how the timelines between Cosmere books link up? If you popped over from Roshar to Scadrial, would you find yourself in the Wax & Wayne era or the future era? Maybe the Ghostbloods seem so different because the ones we are seeing in Roshar have another 50-100 years behind them.
Wax and Wayne takes place in between stormlight 5 and 6, Brandon answered that at a convention in a Wob
Era 2 of Mistborn is after era 1 of stormlight as far as I'm aware. And I'd assume that era 1 of Mistborn is before era 1 of Stormlight, what with Keslier and the Ghostbloods and all.
book out now and that guess that he was going with zeff was spot on. like did you read the book before hand.
Ishar might well be trying to find a way to get spren away from Roshar. This seems to be a theme with the Heralds. I think he's forcing them to form human-ish bodies by severing their connection to shadesmar as completely as possible.
I can't wait for it to be over!
I'm only a couple hundred pages into the book, but I think Moash is going to have his sight restored via Hemalurgy and probably be Odium's champion.
Ooohh I bet Ishar is the reason why the Tukari attacked Notum in Shadesmar, since Ishar’s notebook said “need more honor spren” for his experiments.
I have always wondered if there is a connection between the deadeyes and the half ascended Elantrians. Perhaps B-A-M serves a similar function as that process and it has been stopped much like those in the book elantris.
Whew finally finished RoW so I can watch this video that's been iny watch later for months
Love your videos!
22:14 Hoid messed with honor blade. I don’t think he has it but did something with it.
The intent of the shard of cultivation is change if I'm not wrong. So if the vessel is aligning with the intent of change. The biggest change the shard can go through itself is changing a vessel
7:35 - that deathrattle is of Shallan, spoken by her mother Chanarach.
I always took Taravangian’s boon/curse to be he was gifted great intelligence and great compassion, but never both at the same time. All the days he’s “stupid” they note that he is especially weepy, versus his more intelligent days he’s recommending eugenics lol
Pretty sure Dalinar was supposed to be his first champion, and then Moash. Odium says something about not being able to use his first two choices since the regaining of the tower. I assumed he was talking about Moash's blindness as the second reason.
I'm a little sad that the book does take place over the 10 days, mostly because that's so short, and we'll be waiting 6 years for the next book, to see the impact of whatever happens.
But I am SO excited for this book
Really good video. Good edits.
What if Jasnah becomes the champion, holds a Dawnshard (Learn?) and out thinks Taravodium?
Mostly, I just think it would make for a good surprise, a great strategy and I feel like she's more cut out to be a demigod or greater, than just be a person.
"Honour WILL be reforged" - Well that was underwhelming
SPOILERS:
I wasn't wrong! He was... Very briefly, lmao
@ that was not reforging
Ghost bloods have the honor blade id bet. Also keep in mind summoning the honor blade may be a similar process to summoning a dead eye, a process invented more recently he wouldn’t have known about. Otherwise the heralds could have summoned their blades at any point in the last 4000 years. Nail had to “recover” his.
I think Ba-Ado-Mishram and the other Unmade were originally independent God-Spren, like the Stormfather. They need to be Re-made for the true resolution of the conflict.
This is a dumb question for a lot of you probably but the sun lit man has a loose connection with the storm light series, and it also mentions a dawn shard. Does anyone know how that novel plays into this or if it gave any hints about anything?
Also a sleepless trader has the honorblade. I'll stick by that until Sanderson says otherwise.
I got the same vibe from Ishar's experiments as i do from the ghostbloods trying to get investiture off world. I think the 2 are heavily related though i dont think ishar is working with the ghostbloods
Great video, as always! A few thoughts though. Please, feel free to tell me I'm clueless! lol
1. I don't think the contest will be physical though. For some reason, punching each other for Roshar does not resonate with me. I don't know what the format of the contest will be, but I don't believe it will be physical combat between the two champions.
2. I don't think Moash will be Odium's Champion! Mostly because I don't think he is Connected to Odium enough to do it. But, also, it would be a pretty GREAT jump in the importance of his character. He strikes me as the kind of person who is constantly used and manipulated because he has no control over his actions. Choosing him would mean leaving him at the mercy of Dalinar or whoever the champion will be. Any little crack in Odium's protection, and he will break... as was the case when he tried to kill Navani at the end of Rhythm of War.
3. El gives me Hoid vibes! Haha
4. Another question may be: What is Maya's revelation at Adolin's Trial at lasting Integrity going to affect the attitude of the spren towards Nahel bonds in the future? Especially the spren of the Releasers and the Willshapers, some of who have decided to either no longer bond humans or actively support Odium.
5. Minor plot question: WIll Dalinar and Adolin's relationship be fixed in WAT? What would that look like?
6. Just a side: I can't believe I forgot that Taln's Honor Blade is missing!!!
7. Regarding Honor's shard, I agree that the Shard will be reforged and Kaladin will ascend to take up the shard.
8. I LOVE your Cultivation theories! Just love 'em!
9. I don't think Kelsier is as bad as we are being given the impression he is. Brandon does POVs very well, and I think Mistborn Era 3 will provide even more nuance with Kelsier's character!
10. About the Dawnshards: I think if there is Dawnshard sub-plot, it might be too much for just one novel no matter how long. Maybe it will be subtle, but I don't think we will get much there. More likely, I think it will be a major plot in the second half of SA.
Can someone explain this "connection" between Ba Ado Mishram and the "dead" spren that this guy keeps stating as a given? Where in the books does it make a connection between Mishram's capture and spren "dying"?
I just listened to a podcast sharing book 5 predictions and one guy said, "This is a given, Shallan will finally be revealed as Lightsong" and all the other guys were like "Oh yeah, of course." Would love to get thoughts from Lore and Bookborn on this one. I thought this theory was really bizarre and that podcast was the only source I've heard it. It made me wonder if they're just in an echo chamber and one host convinced the rest that this is a thing. Or am I missing something??
My theory is ba-ADO-mishram holds a dawn shard hence the ADO part (as in ADOnalsium) in her name. So they will obtain a dawn shard in the book or atleast find mishram and she will do a dawnshard thing when released. Good or bad I cannot say. But the theory stands that she holds a dawn shard so would actually be powerful enough to create a false desolation.
The most hype champion fight would be Adolin, Shalan, Kaladin, Szeth, vs Ishar, Shalash, Jezerien, Nale. Idk Shalan/Shalash can prolly be substituted for Talenel and the Fused guy that consumed the pursurer at the end of RoW. I don't think its gonna be a 1 v 1 but who knows only 1 more day till final book is published haha.
I'm so scared that boo 5 will end on a pseudo cliff hanger from what Sanderson has said
I doubt it. He said he’s taking a long break from writing SLA after book five and I don’t think he’d leave us on a cliffhanger for that long lol
Now that Taravangian is Odium it changes everything!
So one thing nobody's asking is...what will a contest of champions involve? Nobody says outright that it's a fight. As a matter of fact, someone said, I believe it was Hoid, that the contest will be about "what else? The hearts and minds of men" which makes me think it could actually be about who can convince the most people to their side.
As for who I think will be Odium's Champion? Adolin is actually a decent option because Odium isn't evil. Odium is passion. Odium isn't "destruction", that'd be Ruin, who is already dead, fused to Preservation back on Scadrial as a new Shard, Harmony. Odium is about all passions, especially the darker ones. Adolin has more than once thrown away his honor to follow his passions. When he killed Sadeus, several times when he wanted to fight people but had to be restrained, and many times when he, off-screen, dueled people because of slights to his father's honor despite it being hard to justify with the codes of war going on and him honor-bound to follow them. Could Odium convince Adolin that the only way to save Roshar is to force them into a war across the stars...?
One more thing. Dawnshards. My theory is they are "Live" "Change" "Die" and "Think". I remember a WoB or something saying that one of the Dawnshards "doesn't fit" with the other three. Three to make the cycle of life and death, a fourth to create thinking beings capable of understanding the universe? That...would make sense as four commands that CREATED THE UNIVERSE.
The name of Rysn's Dawnshard was RAFO'd, so was if it was the same one Hoid had. Why are we suddenly certain they are different and that Rysn's is name Change?
I thought Szeth was declared truthless simply for saying the Radiants had returned. The Shin people did not want to believe it as that meant a whole lot of bad stuff was coming.
Why are we assuming cultivation gives up the power vs dying reforging honor or through some other means?
"Honor is not dead so long as he lives in the hearts of men!"
I think the death rattle about the child is about the Unmade Mishram and the results or consequences of freeing her or keeping her contained.
Honor will be reforged and Dalinar will be his vessel. Honor and Odium will then destroy each other in their battle of champions and Kaladin will take up both the shards of Honor and Odium to become the shard of War.
Amazing introduction
If Adolin is not the champion I am going to shake my head. Dude has literally spent his life for dueling. I don't care if he is not radient, he is an obvious choice for me
Is Ishar messing with Hemalurgy?
It's Wit on Roshar!
My theory is that Ishar is using hemalurgy god metal spikes to pin spren to human hosts. But I am only 3 books into mistborn so maybe I’m wrong
Also that quote doesn’t entail that it’s not human bodies at all. You can interpret it either way. “When transferred (into a body) the organs form most naturally (from regular organs) “
What book or novella reveals that cultivation is a dragon ?
Dawnshard I think!
I don't see why Honor would want to go back to one vessel, it makes him an easier target. I think both Dalinar and Kaliden will be vessels.
Gonna go out on a limb and speculate that Adolin will be the one who earns the mantle of Honor. He has done plenty enougb to attract a spren bond, but has not been chosen. Thus, I believe he will ascend during W&T.
8:10 Dal didn't hang out with Gav at all. The boy was with his mom while the king and Dal went to the shattered plains. As much as I DONT want it to be the child, it's that gut-wrenching twist that Sanderson could pull on us.
You bring up that the boy would have to be willing? That kid has gone through some serious trauma. Odium can use his kid mind to twist the trauma he has gone through to turn the boy against those who took him from his mother AND let his father die. Sanderson has us readers ride along with various mental illnesses and personal struggles. Gav being Odium's champion would be the perfect weapon against Dal if he's the champion. Dal failed his brother by not being sober to save him (even though he realizes it wouldn't have mattered), he failed saving his son (losing taking back their homeland), and then he would have to personally kill the son of the king he failed. It's terrible, but I can see this happening and if it does, Dal... will... lose.
Since this ends the first half of the series, I believe it will either be a bitter sweet ending, or a absolute loss. Sanderson has started series with the "bad guy" already winning (mistborn era 1), so who's to say he can conclude this ark in darkness as well.
If Dal is the champion, it will be little Gav. If it's Kal, then it has to be Moash!
I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm just disagreeing with your reasoning for it not to be the boy. Dal isn't in Gav's life at all really. He's just the big crazy guy who let his dad die and took him away from his mom.
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Ishar is a Cognitive Shadow, exactly like Kelsier. Kelsier can't leave his home planet, Scadriel. He's stuck there. It's because investiture can not leave It's origin point, and Ghostbloods are trying to figure out how to make that happen. If you read Mistborn Era 2, you find out that Kel is alive and he's leader of the Ghostbloods, making him the one who wants investiture to be able to leave it's homeworld. They chose Roshar to be the base of operations for experiments because of the constant renewing of investiture, via high storms. As far as we know, Restares (the Herald/Cognitive Shadow Shallan was supposed to "kill") knows more about the process than anyone. That's why Kelsier wanted him. The dagger was going to trap his investiture, which might have killed him, but it might have forced him to speak to Kelsier. Ishar is doing his own experiments, but he doesn't have the Ghostbloods to do his work for him.
So does it contain spoilers for the preview chapters? I don’t want to read them
Just finished watching the video. There are no spoilers from the preview chapters.
Nope! You’re food
Nope.
Nope, no preview chapter spoilers. Should have clarified!
@@LoreoftheWorlds Can you pin it?
Q 11: Is Iyatil Vin?
I think we have been told why he was named ruthless and why he was resurrected but being gifted nightblood is unknown.
Was that Daniel Greene reading about the dawnshards?
Isn’t it a big miss to not even discuss what’s going on with Mayalaran and the return of the deadeyes? You know, a huge plot thread from Rhythm? Feels like something important is going on there, no?
Taravangian was gifted intelligence beyond his capability by cultivation - she messed up badly
Maybe, but she also made him compassionate on his non-intelligent days - and those days of compassion have been more common than days of intelligence. I don’t think that’s a coincidence and I think a compassionate Odium could be…interesting.
Specifically, I think Cultivation has made him dominated by the dumb and compassionate side of his boon prior to taking up Odium on purpose - just as she made Dalinars memories return shortly before as well.
Ba ado mishram / if we move some letters could mean "The watcher of the light" or "The Guard of the Light" (mixing hebrew and alethi).
I think that Oroden is far more likely to be the champion odium chooses if brandon goes with the child theory
I think champion will be Adolin. It will end up being him by some twist or something unexpected. Then the dueling foreshadowing and setup for his whole arc will be fulfilled.
Mark my words.
Maya will bond him as a radiant when yes about to lose or when he’s about to die. It will heal him and her and he will rise a radiant and defeat the champion.
(I have no clue who the bad guy champion will be, I’m guessing a new character or Sadeus reborn. lol )
I still don’t believe Odium will abide by this whole thing if he loses, and Dalinar will step in and punish him with some bondsmith type shit.
Adolin may not be the champion, but I still think he will end up bonding Maya and healing her. And knowing Brandon it will be at the last second.
With Syl getting stronger in the Physical realm, I wonder if she might become the new vessel of Honor if reforged.
Stormlight Archive and Radiohead? sign me up!
Champion of odium adolin for the win !
Blasphemer!
@@LoreoftheWorldsNgl I firmly belived this before RoW but after that book cementing adolin as a pure hearted hero Im simply confused about the champion of odium
I just want to say, so it's Written somewhere, that Honour + Odium = Vengeance
With just that I think you can guess what my future cosmere-wide theory is 😎
bro
I hope that Moash does not get a redemption arc. He doesn't need one.
Yeah honestly I hope he doesn’t
Agreed. Teft was the fucking man.
I feel it would be a very lazy cop out if he does
@miller0002 yeah I think so. After reading through the whole series again I feel like Moash does not want a redemption. He wants the easy way out of giving up his emotions.
They just gave Adolin a redemption Arc. Odium's champion is going to be Dalinar or Gavilar.