The theory of cultivation giving up the shard is interesting. I’m on my re-read of oathbringer and there’s a story about the third moon associated with cultivation swapping with a human and coming down to Roshar. I think this alludes to cultivation trying to escape the life of a shard
So personally, while I enjoy the idea of Koravellium giving up the shard of cultivation to Lift... I don't think that's what she's doing. It seems to "simple." Personally I think she understands Dalanar is going to lose, and therefore crack open the cosmere to more travel. Knowing that, I think she's actually setting Lift up to take a Shard who's NOT from Roshar (though which one, I don't know yet). I think the power that Lift has that looks "cultivation-like" is simply because cultivation has had less recent interaction with other Shards, So she's just kind of defaulted to what she knows best.
Okay, finished the video and you just had to make me hop onto the PC for this, there are a few things I would like to point out, first one being Wit, now first thing I will point out is that if anybody in the entirety of the cosmere were to deserve the title or shard of Discord, it would be Wit. Now, Wit makes mention that Cultivation and he had never really gotten along, but a couple weeks back I was watching a Brandon Q&A where he makes mention of Wit had a relationship a dragon once but refused to elaborate on who, but seemed to have a shit eating grin as he said this. Now either this dragon is going to be very important and intriguing somewhere down the road or it was Cultivation before she was Cultivation. As for Odium the shard, I myself have a running theory, that around maybe book 10 that Kaladin will pick up the shard of Odium. Now, before you dismiss this as so many do when I mention it hear me out, Teravangion is somebody who can kill his emotion and make decisions he for his desired outcome and protect his little kingdom, but is that the true best way to control the shard? I do not think so. This is just essentially killing your conscience not controlling the shard, and due to her singular nature, I do not think that she understands this aspect of the shard. "My instincts say that the power of Odium is not being controlled well. The Vessel will be adapted to the power’s will. And after this long, if Odium is still seeking to destroy, then it is because of the power." This letter speaks of Rayze being unable to control the shard as does this explain the issues of Odium: The power of Odium’s Shard is more dangerous than the mind behind it. Particularly since any Investiture seems to gain a will of its own when not controlled. The thing is that this states that the shard is more dangerous than the mind behind the shard. Looking at it from this perspective, Taravangian is the mind, a mind and while he has exerted his thoughts and foresight, he has never truly needed to show us his control, in truth, due to what he went through with the dumbing and intelligent days, this actually tells me that he never did have control over himself. But then, what if Cultivation in her foresight showed what creating Taravangian into the shard could create. Now, through everything Kaladin endured even before the ascension of Taravangian, he learned to hate. Roshone first gave him that feeling which matured after the death of Tien, Then Amaram taught Kaladin true hatred and the desire to not kill but murder. Sadeas was the next to teach him hatred with the bridge crews. As little as it is being written these aspects taught Kaladin the meaning of hatred and taught him the passion he needed to survive. Kaladin in essence is a passionate man and this is not just me speaking, Brandon flat out wrote it out and it is often overlooked and overshadowed. We focus on Kaladin the windrunner bonded to an honorspren, Kaladin, a man whom temporarily broke his oaths, Kaladin, a man described by Shallan as: Passionate, with an intense, smoldering resolve. A leashed anger that he used, because he had dominated it. And a certain tempting arrogance. Not the haughty pride of a highlord. Instead, the secure, stable sense of determination that whispered that no matter who you were - or what you did - you could not hurt him. Could not change him. And if I were to move into newer territory just a couple chapters back Kal and Wit speak of the Passions: “Kid,” Wit said, leaning down over Kaladin on the couch, “the Passions are absolute horseshit.” “What? It’s good to be hopeful! The Passions sound nice.” Honestly, if I take out my bias for Kaladin and stop looking at the shard of Odium as evil in nature, I think he could be the one person to control it, but this is just my ideology on this, as Brandon can do some devastating stuff, right Vin?
LOTS of stuff to unpack here. I'm not against your theory, I just want to point out a couple things. First off, have you read Way of Kings Prime? From my understanding, Wit is bisexual. I wouldn't be surprised if this dragon he previously has a relationship with was Frost. We see him and Wit talk back and forth through some letters in one of the Stormlight Archive books. It starts off with - "Old friend, I hope this missive finds you well. Though, as you are now essentially immortal, I would guess that wellness on your part is something of a given". I wouldn't be surprised if thisd relationship was romantic at one point. A LOT of work will need to be done to change the portrayal of Odium if Kaladin is going to take up that Shard. I can't find it right now, but there is a WoB that essentially states that namking your child Kaladin will be safe, and that you dont have to worry about regretting the decision because of the character turning bad or anything like that. I do think people are wrong to assume that Odium is evil by nature. I am really excited to see where Brandon takes this shard in Wind and Truth!
@QuantifiablyInvested I have not read WoK's prime yet, only Dragonsteel, but as for needing to change Odium, I do not really think so. If you look at it from the perspective that nobody has been a good vessel for the shard and Kaladin could bring balance to it. As for prep to prepare people for it, it actually is riddled throughout the books and does not need to be a bad end for Kal or even happen right away.
@@QuantifiablyInvested I can imagine - just completed my 4th stormlight reread and second whole cosmere reread and there is a tonne of stuff I had totally missed. Excited to see more of your content.
I'm sure it's been said before but Taravangian confirmed it was both the emotion and intelligence. He thought it was the intelligence, then over time he wondered if it was the emotion. It's like the first thing he says, "it was both"
@@williamkline7922 I really like that. This would explain why she steps in on some requests while leaving the nightwatcher to do whatever she wants for most.
Wit doesn't know everything. Do you happen to have a chapter for where this would be? As far as I can remember, he only stated that there only 1 person as old as him on Roshar
Before I start the video in earnest, I am going to say that there aren't e two things i have been wearyof for a while, Cultivation and the Cryptics. Cultivation seems to have been playing some long game and hiding her foings in plain sight, only for us to notice after. And the cryptics, well... if Chanarach is actually Shallan's mother, they directly influenced a LOT of what happened. Now I will finish the video
I disagree with the idea that she's unable to fail to Cultivate. I certainly hope it's not true. Because if the Shards are all nothing but one-dimensional pokemon than the story gets very boring. Look at Leras, for example. He had everything Preservation should want. A perfectly static world. Nothing changed, nothing grew, nothing risked destruction. He gave that all up, completely broke with the ideal of Preservation, to make humans with Ati, alongside the promise that they and the entire planet would one day die. Then he killed even himself, not to hold things in stasis, but so that one day Vin would take his power, use it to kill herself and Ati both, and then Sazed would take up the conjoined powers, again, not to keep things preserved, but to usher in a world where society would grow and change and thrive and potentially even face extinction. Clearly, Vessels are able to go against the Intent of their Shards.
The theory of cultivation giving up the shard is interesting. I’m on my re-read of oathbringer and there’s a story about the third moon associated with cultivation swapping with a human and coming down to Roshar. I think this alludes to cultivation trying to escape the life of a shard
I like this thought a lot! It would be good foreshadowing as well.
This is good.
Your Lift theory is spectacular! Found some art of her recently and it just seems to fit her so well. Nice!
So personally, while I enjoy the idea of Koravellium giving up the shard of cultivation to Lift... I don't think that's what she's doing. It seems to "simple." Personally I think she understands Dalanar is going to lose, and therefore crack open the cosmere to more travel. Knowing that, I think she's actually setting Lift up to take a Shard who's NOT from Roshar (though which one, I don't know yet). I think the power that Lift has that looks "cultivation-like" is simply because cultivation has had less recent interaction with other Shards, So she's just kind of defaulted to what she knows best.
The shard replacement theory makes so much sense.
Sos un capo amigo, saludos desde Argentina, altas teorias
Gracias! Lo siento, mi Espanol es malo. Great to hear from Argentina!
Okay, finished the video and you just had to make me hop onto the PC for this, there are a few things I would like to point out, first one being Wit, now first thing I will point out is that if anybody in the entirety of the cosmere were to deserve the title or shard of Discord, it would be Wit.
Now, Wit makes mention that Cultivation and he had never really gotten along, but a couple weeks back I was watching a Brandon Q&A where he makes mention of Wit had a relationship a dragon once but refused to elaborate on who, but seemed to have a shit eating grin as he said this.
Now either this dragon is going to be very important and intriguing somewhere down the road or it was Cultivation before she was Cultivation.
As for Odium the shard, I myself have a running theory, that around maybe book 10 that Kaladin will pick up the shard of Odium.
Now, before you dismiss this as so many do when I mention it hear me out, Teravangion is somebody who can kill his emotion and make decisions he for his desired outcome and protect his little kingdom, but is that the true best way to control the shard?
I do not think so. This is just essentially killing your conscience not controlling the shard, and due to her singular nature, I do not think that she understands this aspect of the shard.
"My instincts say that the power of Odium is not being controlled well. The Vessel will be adapted to the power’s will. And after this long, if Odium is still seeking to destroy, then it is because of the power."
This letter speaks of Rayze being unable to control the shard as does this explain the issues of Odium:
The power of Odium’s Shard is more dangerous than the mind behind it. Particularly since any Investiture seems to gain a will of its own when not controlled.
The thing is that this states that the shard is more dangerous than the mind behind the shard.
Looking at it from this perspective, Taravangian is the mind, a mind and while he has exerted his thoughts and foresight, he has never truly needed to show us his control, in truth, due to what he went through with the dumbing and intelligent days, this actually tells me that he never did have control over himself.
But then, what if Cultivation in her foresight showed what creating Taravangian into the shard could create.
Now, through everything Kaladin endured even before the ascension of Taravangian, he learned to hate.
Roshone first gave him that feeling which matured after the death of Tien, Then Amaram taught Kaladin true hatred and the desire to not kill but murder.
Sadeas was the next to teach him hatred with the bridge crews.
As little as it is being written these aspects taught Kaladin the meaning of hatred and taught him the passion he needed to survive.
Kaladin in essence is a passionate man and this is not just me speaking, Brandon flat out wrote it out and it is often overlooked and overshadowed.
We focus on Kaladin the windrunner bonded to an honorspren, Kaladin, a man whom temporarily broke his oaths, Kaladin, a man described by Shallan as:
Passionate, with an intense, smoldering resolve. A leashed anger that he used, because he had dominated it. And a certain tempting arrogance. Not the haughty pride of a highlord. Instead, the secure, stable sense of determination that whispered that no matter who you were - or what you did - you could not hurt him. Could not change him.
And if I were to move into newer territory just a couple chapters back Kal and Wit speak of the Passions:
“Kid,” Wit said, leaning down over Kaladin on the couch, “the Passions are absolute horseshit.”
“What? It’s good to be hopeful! The Passions sound nice.”
Honestly, if I take out my bias for Kaladin and stop looking at the shard of Odium as evil in nature, I think he could be the one person to control it, but this is just my ideology on this, as Brandon can do some devastating stuff, right Vin?
LOTS of stuff to unpack here. I'm not against your theory, I just want to point out a couple things.
First off, have you read Way of Kings Prime? From my understanding, Wit is bisexual. I wouldn't be surprised if this dragon he previously has a relationship with was Frost. We see him and Wit talk back and forth through some letters in one of the Stormlight Archive books. It starts off with -
"Old friend, I hope this missive finds you well. Though, as you are now essentially immortal, I would guess that wellness on your part is something of a given". I wouldn't be surprised if thisd relationship was romantic at one point.
A LOT of work will need to be done to change the portrayal of Odium if Kaladin is going to take up that Shard. I can't find it right now, but there is a WoB that essentially states that namking your child Kaladin will be safe, and that you dont have to worry about regretting the decision because of the character turning bad or anything like that.
I do think people are wrong to assume that Odium is evil by nature. I am really excited to see where Brandon takes this shard in Wind and Truth!
@QuantifiablyInvested I have not read WoK's prime yet, only Dragonsteel, but as for needing to change Odium, I do not really think so.
If you look at it from the perspective that nobody has been a good vessel for the shard and Kaladin could bring balance to it.
As for prep to prepare people for it, it actually is riddled throughout the books and does not need to be a bad end for Kal or even happen right away.
Kelsier held Preservation and willingly gave it up to Vin
(Mistborn Secret History)
That's true, but he was also a cognitive shadow. It may just work differently for a cognitive shadow
This is great work.
Thank you! It took a LOT of research.
@@QuantifiablyInvested I can imagine - just completed my 4th stormlight reread and second whole cosmere reread and there is a tonne of stuff I had totally missed. Excited to see more of your content.
Brandon has a WoB where he says we shouldn’t look for a dragon among current SA characters unfortunately for the Lift Dragon theory
I'm sure it's been said before but Taravangian confirmed it was both the emotion and intelligence.
He thought it was the intelligence, then over time he wondered if it was the emotion.
It's like the first thing he says, "it was both"
Just a thought cultivation uses the night watcher as a test to determine the hearts of men. The thing gods can’t see directly
@@williamkline7922 I really like that. This would explain why she steps in on some requests while leaving the nightwatcher to do whatever she wants for most.
Cultivation shaping gods is so awesome.
Wit has very clearly stated there is only one dragon on Roshar.
Wit doesn't know everything. Do you happen to have a chapter for where this would be? As far as I can remember, he only stated that there only 1 person as old as him on Roshar
@@QuantifiablyInvestedI believe Wit states it outright in RoW ch 80 “The Dog and the Dragon”
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Before I start the video in earnest, I am going to say that there aren't e two things i have been wearyof for a while, Cultivation and the Cryptics.
Cultivation seems to have been playing some long game and hiding her foings in plain sight, only for us to notice after.
And the cryptics, well... if Chanarach is actually Shallan's mother, they directly influenced a LOT of what happened.
Now I will finish the video
I disagree with the idea that she's unable to fail to Cultivate. I certainly hope it's not true. Because if the Shards are all nothing but one-dimensional pokemon than the story gets very boring.
Look at Leras, for example. He had everything Preservation should want. A perfectly static world. Nothing changed, nothing grew, nothing risked destruction. He gave that all up, completely broke with the ideal of Preservation, to make humans with Ati, alongside the promise that they and the entire planet would one day die. Then he killed even himself, not to hold things in stasis, but so that one day Vin would take his power, use it to kill herself and Ati both, and then Sazed would take up the conjoined powers, again, not to keep things preserved, but to usher in a world where society would grow and change and thrive and potentially even face extinction.
Clearly, Vessels are able to go against the Intent of their Shards.
As per a WOB - Lift is NOT a Dragon :'(
See my WoB video. I'm still hoping this changes.
I'm starting to think that we shouldn't take anything in the Cosmere as a given.
There's also a LOT of unreliable narrators, which makes it even harder
If I wanted something read to me I would have downloaded an audio book