Jason's 3-day Exclusive with the Cybertruck - The Carmudgeon Show Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep 122
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2023
- The Cybertruck is easily the most controversial vehicle of the last decade, and Tesla gave Jason Cammisa exclusive access to its engineers - to drive it, watch it in a crash-test, drag race it, race it around a go-kart track, and hit it with a sledgehammer.
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The Cybertruck has finally launched, 4 years after its shape was revealed to the public. What we didn't know in the intervening years was that the shape was the least outrageous part of Tesla's truck.
Underneath the structural stainless-steel skin is an entirely-new method of constructing vehicle, with enormous aluminum castings and a structural battery pack made of Gen-2 4860 cells developed by Tesla. The Truck uses a new 800-volt battery and motor architecture with a switch to run the battery modules in series/parallel hybrid mode for 400-volt backwards compatibility.
The 12v low-voltage system has been replaced by an industry-first 48-volt architecture, together with a new electrical architecture and gigabit CAN.
And the Cybertruck is the world's fully steer-by-wire vehicle - using nothing but electric motors to turn both the front and rear wheels.
In addition, this 3-motor variant pulls off consistent 2.6-second 0-to-60 runs and manages 11.0 @ 119 mph through the quarter-mile, a production truck world record (by some margin - beating the previous record holder, the Rivian R1T Quad-Motor through the 1/4-mile by 0.7 seconds.)
This podcast is Jason Unfiltered, talking about his experience with the Cybertruck to film the ICONS episode.
The Carmudgeon Show is part of the Hagerty Podcast Network. 
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Jason has the most in depth analysis of the truck I’ve seen so far. Never known him to be a Tesla fanboy by any means, so there’s a good chance this “truck” is genuinely impressive.
Teslas are pretty darn good even if the haters are unable to admit it. Are teslas perfect? No. But far better than the naysayers like to portray.
The absolute meltdown happening on Reddit on the cars sub (and to a lesser extent on IG) because Jason had the audacity to not thrash the Cybertruck, and even worse like it, has been incredible to watch. Essentially calling him a paid shill and attacking his credentials as a journalist for not seeing it the way some on that sub do. I've never seen anything like that kind of extremely negative unhinged backlash before. And I can only assume this is mostly because of Elon rather than the truck itself.
He’s not a Tesla fanboy he’s all about the technicals.
@@mobiusflammel9372 The only thing those kids on Reddit understand less than the auto journalism game is cars.
The engineering is impressive. Would he own one, no.
Your ICONS video single handedly flipped my opinion on the cybertruck. I watched the delivery event three times, and was pretty certain I wouldn’t be converting my reservation. I guarantee the engineers you met are proud to have you tell their story.
I was bumped out until I saw the ICONS episode! Open my mind again.
Yes, agreed. I love the Cybertruck but the event was a disaster and your Icons video really picked my spirits up. Not because I didnt understand what the truck was but because I was worried too few of others understood it. Really truly, thank you Jason!!!
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The event was "Subdued"
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I think the intent was to let trusted independent reviewers introduce the features BEFORE too much "opinion" (bias) reached the general media.
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It seems like there was a suicidal person with a gun wanting to shoot up the event, and was caught just in time. Probably that's why the vibe was off.
Jason's review on Hagerty has less views than the other guys videos but after watching all of them his is easily the most informative and entertaining. He nailed it.
It was the best. PERIOD
I 100% thought the same thing
Agreed! Why is that? Hagerty makes really good vids and are car guys (and gals ofcourse), the others are influencers....I don't get it.
"fewer" views. "less" would be people partially watching the video
Agreed.
Thank you for your kind comments about Tesla’s employees. There are 140,000 people who care immensely about our people, products, and services. We are often judged extremely unfairly. It helps drive us, but it gets old. The design and engineering teams are just next level!❤🔋⚡️
Tesla engineers are one of the last things that is keeping the USA on the forefront of engineering in the world.
@@TeslaRoadtrips is the last in this category as well
@@TeslaRoadtripsAmen to that. Don’t forget the hardworking SpaceX engineers too! 🙂
@mt2nv1
Keep up the good work!!
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Side note:
It's great to see "The Proliteriat" owning the workspace as well!
(Karl Marx would be proud!)
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So much for "Elon Bad Far Right Fascist!"
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Remind the Union that he and you are following "socialist" principles more than they do when they come knocking!! 👍🖖
yep. we'd be using way more russian rockets if not for them. @@RC-fp1tl
Jason's excitement and true love for Cybertruck cannot be faked. His deep appreciation for Cybertruck will become contagious.
and unbiased appreciation of engineering. he gets it
Almost like he was paid and given the script, ever been to a movie, amazing how those actors can act, we are trully doomed
@@evilzarmy1 After over an hour of listing countless examples of new, innovative engineering, how could you say he's acting? Actors are paid to lie to convince you of a story, Jason is only speaking about things that are 100% verifiable. How are we doomed?
@@evilzarmy1 you are definitely doomed bc you believe in crazy conspiracies
@@brandonsever2576haters gonna hate!
I’m so glad that someone like Jason is savvy and knowledgeable enough to highlight the incredible achievements of the engineers. Unfortunately for most this will be lost and will only focus on the looks of the truck and the politics of Tesla. This is a Herculean engineering achievement and I love that these engineering efforts are being recognized and explained for those who can really appreciate them.
The politics aren't as portrayed.
Because Elon is trying to take all the credit and made it a political statement
Not because Tesla doesn’t have good engineering
Jason seems to be giving credit where credit is due.
Which seems hard for many to accept or believe when Tesla is involved.
Yeah he did a great job there and keeping politics out of it.
He gave the facts about the truck and doesn’t hurt that they’re very impressive.
I am so happy that Jason got the access that he did from Tesla.. He is a great story teller and all his insights are helpful to adding so much to the story..
i am just not satisfied and kind of pissed off tha musk didnt tell any of this such detail and we have to rely on such reviewers. its help them if they tell in the first hand basis
The amount of close-minded takes I've seen on Twitter....
Genuinely feel for the engineers who have clearly outdone themselves on this thing. They deserve all the love in the world for making this thing the best it could be.
The "Twits" always remind me of those "Dog + Long Stick + Door" shorts.
"That didn't work... Let's try again!.... Nope... Another try...."
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What's the definition of stupidity again?
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Maybe one day they'll get it.
People like to whine and moan. I'm not big on EV's due to charge time, cost, and don't like having all eggs in one electrical basket, but Tesla is making these things enviable.
Ye they outdid themselves by making a car literally too dangerous to pedestrians to be on the streets of any civilized country. They out did themselves making it bulletproof in exchange for a lack of crumple zones so the drivers will die at much higher rates. They outdid themselves with their fake self driving that they been forced to legally admit will never go past level 2 autonomy because normal camera vision isn't enough. The engineers produced a slightly polished turd, but really that is muskrats fault.
most are Coneheads.
As someone who has been an engineer to legacy car companies and suppliers, I’m deeply enjoying watching Tesla make their complacent clueless management squirm.
Have you noticed that as some "commentators" throw their hands in the air regarding the CT pricing, nobody has pointed out that the competition, while at similar price point, *loses money* on every vehicle?
@@rogerstarkey5390 The prices for the CT aren’t wildly out of line with the competition. Point is that to overlook the points in the negative column for me personally (styling, won’t fit in my garage, etc) it would have to be cheaper. Plus Elon unsurprisingly lied about pricing… again. Some accountability would be nice.
At similar price points I prefer the Rivian. Others might feel differently. This isn’t an anti Tesla thing. I own and am happy with a FSD Model S. The Rivian simply fits my tastes better, is a better size for me, and is functionally equivalent.
The reason the opposition is losing money on each vehicle is the same reason Tesla did until they achieved sufficient scale. Big fixed costs of production and engineering that need to be amortized over every vehicle. Most of the competition (except maybe Rivian and/or Lucid) is pretty behind the curve on engineering.
So glad the call out to all the hard work behind the scenes.
Seeing all the hate and knee jerk reactions versus this and Top Gears review. I want to yell "Stop being so shallow!"😮
CarWow have a great CyberTruck video drag racing it against a Hummer EV. CT weighs 75% of the Hummer but costs about 1/2 as much and you can actually get one.
Nobody mentions the range extension battery which will make towing viable and the added weight has to make the outfit more stable.
Jason knocked this out of the park. Thanks for the incredible job man. Haven’t been this excited in a long time
The people on reddit calling the video an ad were brutal. Jason had the excitement and conviction of a convert. There's nothing wrong with that when the substance is there to back it up.
That's why I avoid Reddit
I’m so fricking happy they let you take on this car, your by far the best in the industry you make a car I knew nothing about incredibly interesting and ties it to older cars and building substance god Jason another master piece i truly wish to put the same effort and produce a quality product like you do
"Time flies when you're old." Derek's exacerbated reaction to that is felt by all 😂
The Hagerty Cybertruck video is by far the best, lightyears better than anybody else who had early access.
MUNRO live Topps it, Sandy actually toured the CT factory.
This was by far the best in-depth review out of everyone I’ve watched! 🎉 🎉🎉
Some people’s reaction about the truck reminds me of when the iPhone first launched without a physical keyboard. The iPhone was originally underestimated because it was so different at the time. As more trucks are on the road I think even perception of its look will change!
What a great way to end my week. Two Carmudgeon episodes in five days. Amazing.
Getting rid of fuses is long overdue. The 787 uses an electrical architecture that utilizes remote power distribution units. This allows you to have virtual circuit breakers, which are monitored. You can select from a (long) list of breakers that you can "pull' to deactivate or remove power from various systems. The system also tells you if a "breaker" was tripped or pulled. There are some traditional thermal physical breakers, but the majority of electrical system protection is fully electronic. It's cool tech, for sure.
I'll bet momma is proud
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Yours? Probs not so much.
Every single reviewer has been utterly blown away by the Cybertruck.
I feel like it's the theme of Tesla cars. There are a lot of things to criticise, but the things they do that really matters are so superior to almost everything else that the cars are always best in class anyway.
All three of them?
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Well, I saw a FUD Troll elsewhere who said he'd watched "10", so may e yo need to look harder??? 😉
Great show! Thanks so much!
I think his review video is the best so far. And I'm glad it was Jason because he's been so critical of Tesla.
Watching the Icons episode back to back with the MKBHD video reminded me that Jason is to most reviewers as Tesla is to Mercedes Eq cars. He's so far ahead.
I don’t know if they’re comparable, because they don’t really try to do the same thing. Jason (nowadays) is primarily focused on drilling down on engineering and history, the story of the product in question and the people involved. Marques is focused on the average consumer in nearly all of his content rather than enthusiasts, be that cars or tech in general. They have very different audiences, and a different set of goals in content creation because of it.
@@mobiusflammel9372 The difference is that Marquez sounds like a frat dude giving a PowerPoint and he knows nothing about cars.
It's so odd because his phone reviews are fantastic. I had real hopes that he'd become an incredible car reviewer. He's been trying for years now and I'm still disappointed. He just doesn't get it
@@puddud4 you are talking pure diarrhea, Marques knows more about EVs than 99.9% of the world's population.
@@puddud4 I don't agree, because I think Marques does the same basic thing with his other tech reviews. He doesn't do deep dives, he focuses on the company's headline claims about product X and the relevant (to the general public) figures for comparison's sake. The things he knows most people tend to look at when shopping, which he packages with fantastic presentation. He goes deeper than that at times when there's a reason, but in general that's it.
The biggest difference I see is that his car reviews don't have the same focus on presentation, they're much more simple and straightforward. I absolutely agree that Jason has the best review on this, clearly. I just don't think Marques is really doing anything particularly wrong given his audience.
Jason's review was the best of the three. Great job!
I’ve gained respect for Jason.
I could tell he doesn’t want to like Tesla, because he’s a real car enthusiast..
But more than anything Jason is not just a car geek, he’s in general intelligent. So he stayed objective and really geeked over how advance this car is
He wanted Rivian to beat the Tesla 😂
I can clearly feel the passion that went into making the Cybertruck through the passion of the storyteller. This is a great 👍🏽 tribute to the engineers.
Jason thank you 🙏🏾
Jason, I really appreciate both of the videos today. I had dumped on the Cybertruck for 4 years, and even more so last night after the production livestream. I figured that it would be a failure that is studied in economics & business classes for years. I'm glad you were invited by them, because I trust your opinion and know that you're as unbiased as one can be in a car review. I am very interested to see how the Cybertruck develops, and the future onslaught of videos and reviews from others.
I'm definitely eating a lot of crow this morning, and I want to thank you for keeping all of us in check in regards to pre-conceived opinions.
You're a rarity on social media! Confirmation bias left "at the door"!
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Yeah I'm quite a Tesla (or more accurately, an Elon)-hater.. but I've always said that if the Cybertruck delivers on the hype I'll be impressed.
Looks like we'll know very soon.
Realize the two most criticized points of the CyberTruck are price and range. Time will fix both by switching to the latest batteries.
Tesla fanboy and investor here. I loved your review. I've never heard of you guys before. But now I'm subscribed because that video was a goddamn filmmaking masterclass for reviews. Bravo. I'm sharing the review with everyone I talk about the cybertruck with, and you know us Tesla fanboys can't stop talking about Tesla. ;)
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I've followed Tesla for approximately 10 years. I was a car mechanic for Aston Martin and Jaguar in the past and now am a software developer, so I know both worlds. Tesla is the only car company out there that manages to integrate cutting edge engineering with cutting edge software. Others aren't even remotely close to that complete package. All who say that "the competition is coming" have no clue about engineering or the software aspect of cars. The software side is just as impressive as the Cybertruck engineering. They are literally a decade ahead with the seamless integration of everything. I reeeally hope they make a sedan next with what they learned making the Cybertruck. I'd instantly buy a Cyber M3.
Exactly.
I hope they make a whole Cyber line of vehicles.
You have a history with Aston Martin…and you want the ugliest car in the world(CT)….You might want to check your mental health…
Tesla has some of the best engineers on the planet. Proud to have an American car company crushing it.
So great they don't understand the truck market.
@@evacody1249 we'll see in due time if you're right. I think this is going to sell like hotcakes though, much like the other teslas.
As a building manager, which has to do handyman work all the time. I would love the utility of the truck and I just love the idea that if I leave it at some random places, I won't have to worry about anything falling on it or some cars or items scratching it.
The utility always comes first and I think I am not alone here.
Really feel the intensity of the excitement by Jason on what he’s been able to witness first hand by the cyberTruck. Real testament to the profound engineering work by the exceptional people of Tesla. Needed to hear this genuine insight. Love it 😊
Thank you Jason for taking the time to write the subtitles, always a joy! thank you Derek to make recognizing a old Porsche such a nerd game
Thank you so much for making me appreciate the frankly INSANE engineering behind this truck. I have a lot more respect for the guys at Tesla, even more than I already did!
Great show by both presenters. Jason's Hagerty review of the Cybertruck was truly epic. I didn't expect to be truly impressed by the vehicle, thinking it would be too ponderous. I was wrong. I haver owned three Teslas, but thought the Cybertruck is too over the top. Now I want one.
They need to make the Model 3 Performance with Cybertruck tech. That truck is too large for most people esp. outside the US. Let's see what the new Model 2 will bring us.
And your brain gets smoother with each one
@@evilzarmy1 no need to hate on something u can't afford bud. u r free to stick w ur 1994 chevy
@@grandmaster1984I know many poor people with a good command of facts and logic.
The problem isn't his bank account, it is that he has not mentioned a single specific that he refutes.
@@evilzarmy1 What, pray tell, is the benefit of a rough brain, or the detriment of a smooth one?
The moment DTS realizes how time passes by so fast was hilarious. Came for the comedic elements. Thank you. I may check out the cyber truck.
Just watched the Icons video, absolutely amazing Jason and all involved.
Jason's video on the Cybertruck was the best by a mile ❤
Or 1.609344 Kilometers.
Or the rest of the competition by 10 years.....
Don't forget the Big Boys are coming' ?
First, I was about to leave a snarky comment about not watching an 80-minute car review without any actual car footage. I mean, who does that, right? But, I was pleasantly surprised. The technical and in-depth analysis was unexpectedly captivating. The way you delved into the mechanics, the performance nuances, and even the historical context of the car was truly impressive. You've got a knack for making even the most intricate details sound fascinating. I found myself completely engrossed, and before I knew it, the 80 minutes had flown by. Great job on proving me wrong and delivering an engaging, insightful review without needing a single frame of the car itself. Subscribed
Same. I saw the 1.5 hour video length and thought I'm going to have to skim this. But I ended up watching the entire thing, and am rewatching bits. There's a lot of information and nuance in this video that doesn't come through the other flashy RUclips videos on the Cybertruck. This really shows the depth behind the vehicle and has made me even more excited about it.
I mean this is kind of supplementary to the actual review as you would have discovered. The podcasts don't normally get this amount of views lol
That makes the two of us.
Try podcasts sometime 😂
I have been telling people for YEARS that Tesla was not just going to bleep out the Cybertruck, it is the biggest development and innovation effort by far that Tesla has made. Just to get the structural battery pack required developing the 4680 cells, which meant inventing tabless cells and buying a company for the dry battery technology and then iterating the crap out of dry battery technology and on and on, and then the gigacastings and the new alloy for those, the new steel alloy, the drive by wire, the 48 volt tech, etc. It was literally seven years of work so far just on the battery cells, they are not going to do all of that and then say "whatever" about the rest.
Yes, it does not overheat and slow down because tabless battery cells do not heat up like battery cells with tabs do, and they can put out more power than your battery with the tab can, and they can recharge faster, and oh yeah, because the heat is a big factor in battery degradation, the battery pack will last a lot longer too, and supercharging will not be a problem.
No other company would even dream of attempting to develop a new product with this level of large innovations on many fronts at one time. Very few would even try to achieve one innovation of the level that Tesla has a good dozen of in the Cybertruck.
Thanks for adding the “why” to the “what”. I started investing in $TSLA when Tesla acquired Maxwell Technologies
true, this is like those slideshow at the end of apple product they have but for manufcaturing that no one else can copy them next year or a decade. insane
It’s incredible the more I learn about it. Implementing ever evolving Electrical and battery technology is creating quantum leaps in transportation. I’m so excited.
Isn't solid state battery a better solution?
@@andyking9673 no one has that "solution" in hand ready to scale to enormous levels of production at competitive prices..Tesla keeps their eyes on the prize: accelerating the transition off of fossil fuels at the fastest pace possible. They are not going to wait another five years and likely five more after that to launch the Cybertruck with an even better solid state battery. But if solid state comes along, Tesla will adopt it as fast as possible.
I've been watching you since I was a kid and I am ashamed that it took the Cybertruck to help me find your podcast. Love your work Jason and team!
Jason is batting a 100. On this podcast and the video.
I am likely guilty of sounding like an insufferable fanboy getting excited about the Cybertruck details, but if you want a good explanation of why I think it's exciting; it's the engineering, not the look. This podcast covers it very well, and the fact it was approached with scepticism makes it much more pure and honest. Very well presented, and totally agree would love to see this tech trickle down into a platform that I want... Fingers crossed for the model 3 performance refresh 🤞
Legacy cannot copy. They have outsourced everything, laughed at Tesla instead of trying to catch up, and now it is too lete for them to turn the ship. German/Japanese car industry is facing its greatest challenge in their lifetime. A lethal challenge for many of them.
Fantastic review. Fantastic podcast. Every Cybertruck lover and doubter needs to watch both.
damn man! Jason actually has his brain connected and knows how to check his biases.....damn! knows what he knows and doesn't.
30 minutes in and you already sold me on the Cybertruck, the other hours just made it painfull that I havent ride this beast!
I come to this podcast with great gratitude for putting a spot light on the in the trenches work engineer's did for the truck. It shines silently in many ways. The review I feel was extremely genuine and I appreciate you separating personal/political views aside and judge the truck/company on the merits of what and who they are not by the speer head.
I just ordered a Beast Cybertruck.
Thanks Jason!❤
havent seen anyone go this deep into every aspect of a product AFTER making the most entertaining and all round informative video to this one with his true thoughts forgiving whatever media/opinions were built around. hard work and when actual product delivers it will all work itself out
To see the other guy’s reaction to steer by wire was awesome! He changed his whole energy with that!
Love Jason’s excitement, and Derek punching holes.
Such a hater
You could tell Derek was so bored lol
Definitely a useful and insightful dynamic. Better than having someone echo the same sentiments.
All of Derek’s comments and beliefs are simply nonsense. The ONLY thing he got right was that the looks are divisive. Yeah… okay.
@@SWTrailsAndWheels But for him to take on the other side of view for the sake of taking the opposite view IS DUMB. He should at least make a logical counter....He is an idi0t. He would still use the hammer instead of using the nail gun to do the job when the nail gun is easier and faster just because it's a "tradition" to do so.....
39:54 Came for the carmudgeon show, stayed listening way into the night for Hyphen’s HOLY SHIT!
Imagine how cool and amazing the 2nd generation roadster is going to be!
I'm sure my grandkids will be excited when that one hits the road
Jason: I have NEVER seen your show before but heard Dave Lee mention you. Watched your Cybertruck review and this. EXTREMELY IMPRESSED. I am #12,042 in line for the dual motor.
Phenomenal CyberTruck video! I definitely wasn’t expecting a CT video from Jason today! Amazing work!
The trickle down engineering from the Cyber truck to the rest of the Tesla range of vehicles is good for the consumer. Having paid the prime mover cost of 4680 battery cell development, 48 volt CAN architecture and the steer by wire mechanism it will translate into lower manufacturing and assembly costs in future (small car) models.
First time I’ve heard someone state the battery capacity like they actually know what it is. Thank you! 123 kWh.
Best. Cybertruck. Video. Ever. And I’m not a cybertruck fan but your reluctant enthusiasm is so infectious.
Jason’s & his teams video was AMAZING. The production quality and script were phenomenal.
I don’t need to tell you guys how good you are for this industry and those who follow it, but this has been a great opportunity for me to share this podcast and both your individual videos to others. Hope this creates even more traction for you
"I want this kind of thinking in a product I actually want". THIS. Excellent podcast, thanks guys.
One of the best podcasts ever made no joke. Watching a true expert and enthusiast in his element is a joy.
This vid really deserves so many more views. It is absolutely epic. Love the uncensored opinions and enthusiasm from Jason.
As a contractor, I absolutely will be driving one of these. 1:19:39
Being around all kinds with my background I can tell you that while this truck is going to sell to people for its image it's also going to sell to people for its features. There's a lot of buyers out there who don't look at vehicles as throw away commodities and want them to last as long as possible for as little money as possible. This is a truck that can do almost all light to medium duty tasks better than a "standard" truck while being resistant to idiot damage (be that by the driver or jerks in the public) while being long lasting in all aspects.
Drivetrain system failures will be much lower.
Maintenance will be a laughable fraction of the cost of a "standard" truck or even many SUVs or cars.
For northern states there won't be a constant heart-breaking battle to keep rust off the thing.
No dings or dents from minor incidents.
Great ride and handling regardless of load.
Nearly unmatched dry storage.
It will keep getting new useful features and improvements through updates.
This is a list that could be so much longer, but the point is that this is a product a lot of people have been waiting for. I and a lot of others look at a vehicle as a tool, and you'd have a hell of a time selling us a less useful hammer because it's "objectively" prettier than the better hammer. In a world where every car looks like a potato with some lines thrown on it the looks are going to have little meaning to a lot of buyers. Many want it just because it looks different at all.
It really is special what they did with this vehicle.
Tesla doesn’t market themselves, but their engineering ambition here which matches the concept design of being radically different from the past deserves to be.
If we are lucky, in another year, we'll get another crazy vehicle, the Aptera. Both will get people staring.
@@fjalics I wouldn't want to be in an Aptera in an Cybertruck vs Aptera crash....
@@1flash3571 lol. I love both concepts so much and I really want to see them succeed! I know the truck will succeed, but I'm really really rooting for Aptera
Spot the difference, GM spent $3.2 BILLION on advertising last year, Tesla spent $0…..and who do you think has the bigger impact on the public consciousness? Mary Barra is rearranging the deckchairs on the GM Titanic with advertising, share buy backs, stupid agreements with the UAW and it will all end up in another bankruptcy and maybe another bail out….what a disgrace!
@@1flash3571 It's carbon fiber construction is supposed to be pretty sturdy, but you would go flying.
Now that would be a collab for a video I would love to see, MKBHD with Jason Camisa, you guys literally allow the subject of automotive engineering to be easily understood! The fact that Tesla sent all the OEMs the playbook of the 48 Volt system, so they can also do away with the antiquated system is mind blowing!!! Wonderful breakdown of the ICON video, really loved it!
I’ve watched Jason and the Hagerty videos for a while and this podcast and his video made me want to support hagerdy and him so I’m signing up right now. Nerding over all the engineering fun is almost as cool as the product itself. You guys kill it and so does the whole team that makes this possible so I’m happy to give you my money.
Jason - I've now watched both the podcast and the Icons episode. The Icons review was not just the best Cybertruck review to date (I've also watched MKBHD and the TopGear episodes already), but your video was probably the best car review video I've ever seen. The level of detail, the amount of factual information, your obvious emotional response all combined perfectly for me. Bravo Jason, bravo!! You get a standing o from me!!
The review of the Cybertruck by Hagerty was by far the best one,...and somehow this podcast is even more interesting! Fully enjoyed learning all the details about the engineering behind it :)
I watched the Hagerty Cybertruck video and then this. I'm not a truck person at all but did kind of like the Cybertruck design. I found the specs to be OK but nothing special, but after watching these videos, I'm now very impressed with what Tesla have done with it. I may never own a Cybertruck (I drive a Model Y), but the underlying tech that went into the Cybertruck is very exciting for future Tesla products. Hopefully it won't be too long before it starts trickling down.
I think the Y juniper update will get 48v controllers in late 2024. And the unboxed compact will have it to start in 2025.
They mentioned a bunch of this at the investors day back in early 2023.
Wow, great episode! Glad I saw the ICONs video first so I could smile each time Jason teased another aspect of the jaw dropping engineering of the Cybertruck. Watched this whole thing in one sitting, staying up way past my bedtime... but it was worth it. Thanks so much Jason for putting together an amazing review in the Icons video and getting the behind the scenes story in this Carmudgeon show.
My mind is blown by this episode, amazing!!!!
A lot of people can't get past the aesthetic, but in terms of contractors or other labor businesses, the thing will not only turn heads, but slap it with a custom branded wrap and it's a literal rolling billboard!
Wow, way underestimated the time and effort that goes into such car review epoxides. Your Cybertruck review was the most well put together, comprehensive, and entertaining out of all the early access ones!
I want the range, new tech, and awesome look. I’ll park it in driveway or in garage. It has nothing to do with what other people think - just what I think. I love it and if others don’t, I really don’t care.
Camissa needs to do a episode on SmokingTire ASAP to talk about this truck...will make for a very interesting episode 😂😂
I want to see Matt reviewing the cybertruck lol he’s been so adamant that this would not reach production.
I was thinking the same thing lol
He has always said he thinks they (Tesla) make technically and technologically good products...just that their false "advertisement" of FSD and the beta testing in public of software and safety is not a good thing to normalize...and that the CEO is douche...I feel all of these things can be true at the same time...and personally, they are...lol
Edit: Also that Tesla has pretty crap build quality (perceived due to gaps, trim, etc - their actual architecture is pretty good and reliable in my XP) and driver-machine interface...their tech again is good but the lack of stalks, the use of a yoke are all issues to not be OK with...
@@triaxe-mmb I've personally never seen a Tesla with noticeable panel gaps here in Europe. I've only ever heard of people saying it has bad build quality, but all Teslas I've seen parked had perfectly normal panel gaps. I think the "bad build quality meme" is greatly exaggerated and isn't true anymore.
Of all the Cybertruck reviews, Jason's was by far the best. Accurate, well produced, entertaining, just a fantastic job.
Jason you are a rare combination of entertaining and very informative!
Sooooo nice to get friendly banter mixed with with real car knowledge that goes deep!
Cars should have been 48v 30+ years ago, so happy someone finally did it. Main reason for 48v is that it is considered the highest voltage level where special procedures don’t have to be taken to work parts. And I don’t think it’s CAN-bus any longer, fairly certain it’s just standard Ethernet that we use for everything else in our lives.
I make automotive wiring. It’s is easily the most fragmented, Luddite, badly engineered part of almost every car. The tooling and part counts alone adds huge unnecessary costs and complexity to every vehicle. Nearly zero standardization of anything and harnesses still made with 1980s technology.
48V nominal I.E., the equivalent of a 24S lead acid battery will have a maximum charge voltage that is less than 60V which is the SELV limit. SELV is the name of this safe voltage limit classification. SELV = Safe Extra Low Voltage. To my knowledge they still use CAN - the OSI layer-1 of this interface does not need to run at 48V - this is the case for example with USB which has a supply voltage of 5V and a data signal voltage of 3.3V.
in the EU, 48V is the save low voltage limit.
Awesome vid. I loved it all but particularly enjoyed Derek’s assertion at 1:14:21 that, “Oldness does that. It removes the douchiness. Nothing like time to erode douchiness.” Love it. Absolutely love it.
This should be required viewing for everyone - this coupled with Jason's review and the Top Gear one (the top gear one mostly because of Franz and Lars talking about the car).
Oh and absolutely unbelievable job on the icon video.. you spoke about cars in a way that things car culture into the mainstream... And it'll be seen by millions of people
Jason, wasn’t familiar with your work. I am extremely impressed with your review and you ability to summarize the engineering of the CT. Thank you for your work. If the reviews of the CT, your was the most informative and entertaining for me.
This episode specifically is by far my favourite Cybertruck coverage because it really goes into the gritty of it, and without the influence of the manufacturer (even if you are allowed to say what you want in front of them). The Icons video is really good but I trust Jason’s opinion on it because of what was said in here. Wish Tesla didn’t have to deal with the public mood swings of the man child because of how impressive their engineers are.
awesome watching Jason slowly wear down DTS who wanted to hate it so bad lmao
The young guy was seriously annoying.
@@MretinumYou calling him "the young guy" makes me think you don't follow the podcast. The running joke is he is actually in his nineties. He has an almost encyclopedic knowledge of older, and truly old, cars. Not so much interest in anything from THIS century.
He is all about the physical interaction with the analog machine. He has driven many of the cars that most of us have only read about in books. Heck, he owns a Miura.
Don't let his physical age fool you.
@@williamgechtman9287 I'm referring to that asian person.
@@Mretinum So am I, Derrick Tam-Scott. Affectionately referred to as "hyphen." Expert on all things Porsche and Mercedes, walking encyclopedia of old European cars, Miura owner, and seeker of the "fizz" in analog, mechanical vehicles. He has driven cars most of us only read about.
Not much love for things from the 21st century, though.
The megacastings are weldable. There are videos showing the repairability of them (castings in the video were from other Tesla vehicles).
Was not familiar with your show before this episode--but really loved your openness and thoughtfulness to your evaluation and review!
What an insightful conversation. Great content!
I am very proud of the Tesla engineers! The CyrberTruck is an incredible machine!
Crash safety is all about energy absorption. Saying that the truck survived a crash with almost no damage is deceiving. It's not the damage to the vehicle that is supposed to be measured but it is the damage to the occupants. In this case all the energy of the impact was presumably absorbed by the "Civic". Which probably means that if the "Civic" is not rated for double the impact , its occupants are probably dead.
Still, don't we typically infer from the damage to the vehicle how much it transferred to passengers?
yup.
This behind the scene is almost as good as a video!
1:17:23 I’m not too worried about the rear mirror. The back window on the Model Y is so tiny I hardly use the rear view. Besides, there will be tons of aftermarket mirrors that can bring in the rear video feed. Excellent podcast !!!
Fantastic conversation and the ICONS episode was also incredible. Great job guys
The BASE RWD MODEL was originally $40k.
The TRI-MOTOR was originally $70k (with inflation, $85.6k).
Starting price is $96.4k (12.6% increase)
Not even close to double the cost no matter which way you slice it.
And I bet they actually make "a profit" (unlike you know who.... Pick one)
I pre-ordered the dual motor for 49990 which is now 80k and a 62% increase which is insane even with inflation. That version should be 60/65k max.
Single motor went up 20k and they couldn’t even give it a 300 mile range.
@@joshuavoss1387That would be a horrible business decision to price them at what you suggest they “should be”… they will sell every one they can make and the prices are very competitive with the competition. I get it though. Sucks you got priced out, I’d be mad too. I remember watching the Cybertruck announcement event and thinking “Wow, that’s way too cheap. No way they end up being that price”… Always take ‘future pricing’ with a grain of salt (especially with Tesla).
By far the best Cybertruck introduction / review video out of the three - with valuable additional infos in this one. Well done!
So happy to hear an unbiased review. Great job to Hagerty!
Always a Jason viewer, now a new respect. His knowledge is leaving his humor in the dust.
As a contractor, I'm absolutely getting one-but probably the dual motor. 2.6 seconds is phenomenal but not needed for me. As long as I can figure out how to get a ladder rack on the thing it'll definitely be a work truck.
The guys wanted to HATE on this truck more than anything in the world. You can taste the distain in thier voice. That’s why this review holds more weight. Thank you for being fair.
Sweet! First show on Friday and early launch!
Jason didn’t explain how difficult the go-cart track was in the ICON video!
This is excellent content!
Jason is a man who thinks for himself.
Whoever the other dude is is happy to be told how to feel. As long as he doesn't have to think objectively.