I straight out told them I can't afford even a Lange strap and they still took the time to explain the complications. Funny how the local Seiko dealer was more snobbish.
@@ehariharan9320 Mate, you're not kidding. If anything can be said about Lange - it's that I've never met a rude staff member. I visited their boutique in Dubai, I had a chance to visit another in Singapore and Bangkok. Their staff is trained, and trained well. They embody the spirit of the brand well and truly. If you're not a customer, they could certainly make you want to be one some day. I had the same experience with Cartier, very well mannered and non-snobbish staff; even got a free Orange Juice served to me, delicious.
100% true. I went to the boutique in Hong Kong this past summer, and they’re the friendliest staff I have ever experienced. AP wouldn’t even let me be in the boutique for over five minutes.
Agreed. Their boutique in NYC is incredible. I stopped in and chatted with the sales associate who was so welcoming and friendly. I told him I just wanted to look around, obviously couldn’t afford one but they are my favorite. He asked me which watches I wanted to see, sat down with me, talked about them, showed me different models, let me try them on. He treated me so kindly and encouraged me that one day I will be able to own one. He even gave me his business card and told me to come back, amazing people. Meanwhile I’ve been literally scoffed at by the Seiko boutiques in NYC for asking about a JDM model.
I wouldn't call the Hamilton a 'Honda Civic'. While it may not be an Aventador either, it is still a Swiss made mechanical watch. A Civic of watches to me would be a quartz Casio. The Hamilton still has the mechanical movement tracking the time with tiny and very precisely manufactured wheels and springs, and a Swiss made one at that. I'd say it's more like an MX-5. Cheap, but not soulless or boring. It definitely DOES do more than just tell the time.
I own a Hamilton Valiant, and I must say it's a stunning piece. Reliable movement, easy to service, simple yet beautiful dial, and with a very good finishing not only "for the price" but in absolute terms. Considering Hamilton's heritage, I think the Valiant it's a superb entry level proposition to the mechanical world, or as an everyday watch
@@biglezmate3830 👌 yup, not to say rolex doesen't offer good quality, just not in comparison to price vs quality ratio imo, that being said, I do still like Rolex but I'm an Omega fan.
@jeppemichael no. Just the jewelry industry. For example, buy a Ferrari and it doesn't come with the same performance as a Honda Civic for 100x the price.
@jeppemichael True, but it is especially so with the watch industry Functionally, a Quartz movement is superior to a mechanical movement in almost every conceivable way But the watch industry has managed to convince us to pay more for mechanical movements It literally makes zero sense That's like Nokia convincing people to pay more for the 3310 than an IPhone X Pro But yet here we are
Hiyuke La Vie it does actually make sense. Matters of the head vs the heart. A mechanical watch better resembles something living. People love the idea of such a complicated system of gears doing it’s thing on your wrist, which also looks nice on the outside. More often than not a watch is a piece of jewelry and not just a tool for telling the time(you could just use a phone for that). And people like expensive jewelry. This might sound bs. It made sense in my head
@@mubtasimfuad2225 You are literally just parroting what the watch industry taught you to think It doesn't matter if people can tell time with their phones, these products are still categorized as timepieces, aka watches And as I said, Quartz watches are functionally superior to mechanical watches in almost every way, yet we happily pay more for a mechanical watch, and that makes zero sense It's no different from the wine industry, where it has been proven that in blind taste tests, so called wine experts literally are not able to tell apart cheap and expensive wine Yet people are conditioned to happily pay more for certain bottles of wine, because it's a "good vintage" - again it makes zero sense Wine and watches are literally industries built upon the expectation that people are pompous bigots, and will gladly pay more for an inferior product, as long as you can convince them that it's something exclusive that's out of reach of the common people
Yes, if you go for " high end " (quality ? ) prices increase exponentially for a very minute in real quality ( goes for wines, cars & watches alike... ) In many cases you just pay for a brand name...
@@jandoerlidoe3412 In the case of Lange, I think it's a watch you buy for yourself first and foremost. Lange as a brand isn't known enough to be a show-off watch, but you will get double takes and approving nods from other watch guys and those kinds of watches are the best, in my opinion.
ALS are probably my favourite brand and I hope I get to own one in my lifetime, but I think Hamilton watches are fantastic for what you pay. I bought a Hamilton Jazzmaster skeleton (blue) for £995 a few weeks ago and I love it as much as my Tag, Oris and Omega. Nothing will compare to an ALS, but I would wholeheartedly recommend Hamilton to anyone, no matter how much money they have!
I didn’t just enjoy this video, I was totally emerged in it to the exclusion of everything else. You are a master story teller. I could never afford this masterpiece but I certainly appreciate it. Thanks 😊
0:17 "Can one really be a hundred times better than the other?". I'm still not convinced. Yes, its got individually hand-engraved, bevelled parts that would astonish even quantum physicists, I get all that, but in no other way than the most poetic of contexts would this be "an absolute bargain". The Civic vs. Veyron comparison is quite apt in highlighting this: in most other industries a 100x difference - or even a 10x difference - wouldn't need a lecture on the history of art, science and watchmaking to appreciate. In a time when most regular people laugh in disbelief when you show them devices that can be mechanically powered without a battery, the Lange - as exquisite as it is - sits proudly on a lonely throne with few subjects to call.
mate, it's a hand made watch, unlike Hamilton with its off the shelf movement made in a factory. If you do not appreciate craftsmanship, then nothing will convince you. It's like comparing a sculpture carved in wood to a 3D printed plastic figurine...
I first learned about Lange watches about a decade ago when I started working freshly out of college. Their large poster of 1815 up-down drew my attention at first sight. Of course I had no means of affording even a Nomos back then, let alone a Lange, but it was Lange that sparked my interest in fine timepieces and horological art. Over the years, a myriad of watch brands have gone in and out of my collection. Lange still remains my favorite brand to this day, in terms of history, craftsmanship and philosophy. Feel truly fortunate to own a couple of Lange pieces, and have got to know their senior management, including Mr. Wilhelm Schmid
Still, if you compare with a smartwatch, a Hamilton doesn't not even have e-mail notifications... However we value more the Hamilton than a smartwatch for the heritage and the way the mechanism was built. The same is true for the high end watch since we value it more for the heritage and the attention they put into it when it was built.
I knew from the beggining what the answer will be but I am still extremely happy to finally see a Hamilton on this channel. My first mechanical, automatic watch was from Hamilton and I still love it.
I don't want to be smartass, but today's A. Lange & Söhne was founded in 1990. The former A. Lange & Söhne company became part of the GUB during the time of the GDR, which is the watch brand Glashütte Original today (also handmade watches). So while today's A. Lange & Söhne surely manufactures watches in the spirit of Glashütte's long watchmaking tradition, it is incorrect to say that today's A. Lange & Söhne was founded in 1845.
@@enkryptron I heard and heard and heard again of GS on RUclips. Then I saw the prices .......damn it's pure quality but the prices are by no way cheap, a GS diver costs as much as a Seamaster. GS is pure quality, but it's by no way a bargain, the prices match the product : it's damn expensive.
My God!!. What an absolute quality in the finishing of the movement parts. Not a single blur or any other visible defect. Even the manual engraving is finished perfect!.
Mahedi M in the traditional watch-making the roman numeral IV had always been written as IIII. IV is the more “modern” representation of it. So, companies still stick to the “traditional” form to emphasize the history and heritage.
It seems to be a common display of 4 within watch making. It's more rare to see the IV than the IIII. This dates back to the earliest clocks and even sundials. Romans preferred it written that way I guess.
I read that it has something to do with "IV" being the beginning of the word Jupiter in latin. Whichever the reason, it really bothers me everytime I see IIII instead of IV
Yes, I would wear the 'Lange & S' with the bottom plate face up and have the Hamilton on the other wrist for time telling. I just wonder how long the entertainment value would last on the 30000 Pound L & S. I probably get bored shitless after looking at it for 11minutes!
Hmm that’s a interesting idea. The A. Lange & Sohne watch isn’t a just a watch, it’s art that tells time. Thinking that way I’d be able to rationalize the 30k.
I recently saw a vintage dealer who had a WW2 era U-Boot captain's pocket watch made by A. Lange und Söhne in the early 1940s. I guess that was a piece of _art_ which timed torpedo runs? :-)
When you're in the market for a wrist watch above $50, you're already in the market for something that is more ornamental than pragmatic. In that case, buy what sings to your heart - it's your money, after all. Just my 2¢
@@jonathanjones7681 Personally I see watches as exquisite little pieces of mechanical engineering built for the purpose of keeping track of time, date, moonphases, etc, etc. I'm a little sceptical of the idea that a watch could be "art". Maybe there is some unusual context in which it could be? But a production timepiece isn't (so far as I can see?) normally going to be expressing any kind of conceptual point. BTW I agree that I wouldn't much want to own an old B-Uhr from a U-Boot - even if it was made by Lange. But I do have some nice little Omegas bought by the British Air Ministry for aircrew during WW2.
For once I caught an error in what he says: they do NOT beat at the same 21600BPH. The Hamilton is based on 2824 which is a 28800BPH (and is also well visible by the motion of the second hand).
The value of a mass produced item is the cost of manufacture plus a fair profit margin for the manufacturer, wholesaler, and retailer. The value of a work of art is in the eye of the beholder.
@TheDukeV / I was talking about Grand Seiko. Small misunderstanding. Don't sweat it. And Rolex may be overrated but it's still got it. It's pure class even if you factor in the cost. If you buy a mainstream Rolex then the problem is with you not the company.
I like the "corne de vache" styled lugs on the Hamilton too, however I am not sure about a 1000X more beautiful though... A.Lange & Sonhe lugs (and cases) have way more detail and finish than they are given credit for. Check out the craftsmanship @6.28.
@@minityper I personally find them far from simple, and they're definitely not Steel... well apart from the Richard Lange Jumping Seconds in Steel, which is a 1of1 "piece unique" that was auctioned for Charity.
Can you make a review over a simple, affordable watch like the automatic Citizen Marine Sport NH8380 and it’s Miyota 8200 movement? I really appreciate your channel! Great job!
Excellent video but, to be a little nitpicky, @7:50 you asked "...so, is this A. Lange & Söhne worth 10X as much as the Hamilton?" Yes, it is! I would absolutely pay $3000 for that magnificent timepiece...
No watch is worth 30k. Ever. Craftsmanship and heritage can and should appreciated but are only worth so much, not 100x more. It’s all about the name and status.
Another excellent video. How about comparing them with a 3K Grand Seiko SBGW231? The 9S64 is a high performance manual wind caliber. It difficult to carry a long minute hand, and, even, longer sec hands, running at high frequency for 72 hrs and keep accurate time ( mine is +2 spd). Connoisseurs call this the Third hand. Most precision manual wind, not only runs at low beat, but, has low power reserve bec it's a feat to maintain accuracy after the 40th hour, even, low performance caliber like this Lange. That's why i am not obsessed by thin watches. I am more impressed with high performance, yet, affordable watches. Not complications, though.
As usual, even quantitative metrics like price and timekeeping precision are run through a qualitative filter for the purpose of a WF&Co review. I love the way that everything you guys post in some way communicates the history, legacy, technical mastery, etc of the brands you discuss and choose to share with us. After all, unless you’re coming at it purely from an investment standpoint, watch collecting is a matter of the heart, not the head. Why else would someone pay entry-level BMW money for a time only watch? And yet... By the way, towards the end of the video (I’m on mobile so I don’t have a time stamp, apologies), we can sooooorta-kinda see your face reflected in the bottom of the Lange’s case. At long last, the mystery begins to crumble... Thank you again for another wonderful, edifying review - at this point ALS should really be offering you an endorsement deal, it feels like you do more to sell their watches than any ad I’ve ever seen...
Perhaps one day I'll be able to add a Lange.. in the interim I really enjoy Hamilton and find them elegant for a very reasonable price. Own the Jazzmaster Petite Seconde in both the black dial and white and love them.
Not taking into account the price and legacy that comes with the brand... and of course not taking into account that the L&R has an amazing visible movement on the back... I really like the looks of the Hamilton, I love the clean and tight design... completely my style of watch.
Thank you so much for doing this video. As a present day Hamilton owner and an aspiring Lange owner this truly is my dream piece. The Richard Lange is my fav watch💕💕
I see the Hamilton Valiant is a popular tool to tale the time and the date. The A Lange & Sohne Richard Lange is a rare and exclusive piece of horological art.
I must admit I really like how the A.Lange looks but 100 times more just for exquisite manual finishing? I would expect a miles-better accuracy for 100 times more money.
"Expect a miles-better accuracy for 100 times more money?" No. That is unrealistic. In the 21st century accuracy is way past being a factor. The Apple watch has more accuracy than either of these because it gets its time from GPS satellites. The Internet synchronizes through GPS or atomic clocks. No "2 to 10 seconds" accuracy per day. We are talking microseconds accuracy. No mechanical watch can possibly surpass that accuracy. So you have to look elsewhere (and far afield) for the difference. Workmanship, engineering, intrinsic beauty, precious metals and jewels. Anything but accuracy (without being too inaccurate, of course). That said, we don't really need accuracy below 10 seconds a day, and couldn't even use it for any of the reasons we normally use a wristwatch.
@@CARPB147 i think we can conclude that much of the cost of a luxury watch is just manual work of optical finishing. My point is that I would like tonsee some more engineering done to hi-cost time pieces
@@cedarcanoe - another factor in the price is simple supply and demand. Very small supply for a product with enough demand causes prices to skyrocket. An example of that is a recent rare watch sale that reached $31 million. Same can be said of certain paintings, etc. There are always collectors. In a special watch, and in a day when the supply of currency is deliberately kept to small denominations, it is a very compact way to transport wealth.
I love AL&S and as an investment or something you want to hand down through generations there is no comparison.As a watch that you wear everyday and don’t care if you drop it,accidentally get it wet,hit it against something or lose it the Hamilton is the pick 10/10.
@@Ray-gz4ut yes, that might be; the Hamilton had no display back (most likely not, as he would have shown otherwise ) yet , all the same it would have been interested to see what kind of a job automated machines would have turned out...there is no reason to suspect that the result would have been ugly or insipid....
Hamilton is nice I own some. A. Lange & Söhne is absoulutely dreamy I'd kill to have one. But I'd love to hear about Perrelet A1051 with your mesmerizing naration.
If you answered no, you are blind. You are not paying just for a face, you are paying for the quality inside and out. You are paying for the incredible engineering and workmanship. Also, the face alone is a made with a much higher degree of workmanship as well, obvious to the keen eye.
I would think the largest movement supplier in the world is Seiko, Miyota or Seagull. Looking at the number of microbrands that use them. More than ETA methinks?
I've heard that claim made about Seagull many times. I think it's possible, considering they supply movements not just to microbrands but also companies like Fossil and Timex. And their own watches are popular enough in China to be worth counterfeiting by other Chinese manufacturers -- a sign of success, haha!
Lol no. Microbrands constitute a very small percentage of watches in the world. ETA is massive and you can get a Swatch watch sub brand (Tissot, Hamilton, etc) almost anywhere in the world. Microbrands as the name implies are limited and Seiko watches are mostly bought online if you're not in Japan, as opposed to swatch subsidiary brand watches that can be bought it almost every jewelry store or mall. What you see in forums/collector forums does not reflect the real world sales.
I will have to buy both watches. How else would I be able to tell the date? And if you wear each timepiece on either wrist when going on a first time date I can imagine the following situation. "Oh, nice watch!" - "thank you: it's a Lange&Sőhne!" - "no, I mean the black one!" Okay, check please!
It's a dress watch. Which is the strict sense means that the watch is to be used in situations where you don't need to check the date and the watch dial must look as clean as possible
Each to their own. If that's what you value I won't knock it. Some people like a whiteboard on their wall to keep track of their to-do list and tasks, others prefer a canvas painting. White board is way more useful and for its utility is priced far more reasonably. Can't hate on those kind of choices.
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The only problem with A.Lange&Sohne watches is that they look so good on the reverse side I would rather look at the movement than the watch face
So true.
Bit like a female with a pretty face but an ass to DIE for!
Wear it backwards
That's why there's JLC's Reverso for the win!
That is very true. And what's also true is that only a small percent of people walking around on the planet would have an appreciation of it.
The Lange staff are absolutely amazing, they'll let you try on their watches even if you look like you just came out of a trailer park.
I straight out told them I can't afford even a Lange strap and they still took the time to explain the complications. Funny how the local Seiko dealer was more snobbish.
@@ehariharan9320 Mate, you're not kidding. If anything can be said about Lange - it's that I've never met a rude staff member. I visited their boutique in Dubai, I had a chance to visit another in Singapore and Bangkok. Their staff is trained, and trained well. They embody the spirit of the brand well and truly. If you're not a customer, they could certainly make you want to be one some day. I had the same experience with Cartier, very well mannered and non-snobbish staff; even got a free Orange Juice served to me, delicious.
100% true. I went to the boutique in Hong Kong this past summer, and they’re the friendliest staff I have ever experienced. AP wouldn’t even let me be in the boutique for over five minutes.
Agreed. Their boutique in NYC is incredible. I stopped in and chatted with the sales associate who was so welcoming and friendly. I told him I just wanted to look around, obviously couldn’t afford one but they are my favorite. He asked me which watches I wanted to see, sat down with me, talked about them, showed me different models, let me try them on. He treated me so kindly and encouraged me that one day I will be able to own one. He even gave me his business card and told me to come back, amazing people. Meanwhile I’ve been literally scoffed at by the Seiko boutiques in NYC for asking about a JDM model.
I take great pride buying high end pieces wearing my best trailer park outfits.. they look down on you until you pull out your wallet..
I wouldn't call the Hamilton a 'Honda Civic'. While it may not be an Aventador either, it is still a Swiss made mechanical watch. A Civic of watches to me would be a quartz Casio. The Hamilton still has the mechanical movement tracking the time with tiny and very precisely manufactured wheels and springs, and a Swiss made one at that. I'd say it's more like an MX-5. Cheap, but not soulless or boring. It definitely DOES do more than just tell the time.
I own a Hamilton Valiant, and I must say it's a stunning piece. Reliable movement, easy to service, simple yet beautiful dial, and with a very good finishing not only "for the price" but in absolute terms. Considering Hamilton's heritage, I think the Valiant it's a superb entry level proposition to the mechanical world, or as an everyday watch
I am also proud owner of the Hamilton Valiant. Absolutely love it...its my favourite watch and getting the most wrist time.
Real trickery would be swaping logos of these watches and showing it to people.
Buy 100 Hamilton's and share. Happiness comes from giving.
You got 30,000 to spend on your watch? Buy the Lange and 100 Hamiltons.
Hamilton's on my Next Watch short list!
SouthBeach Bulliez yeah fuck that
I'd rather do that than wear a 30k douchebag watch.
Sounds like communist propaganda but ok
"Ten times the price of the Hamilton" can you get me a Lange for £3000?
They'll sell you the Hamilton for that.
they are having a sale right now, may you'll get lucky! LOL
I would buy a few too
@@RunoratsuOr a water damaged rusted ladies Reverso.
yeah, there's a mistake towards the end of the video... it should have been "one hundred times" but he said just "ten times"
@@rzezniqq what happened?
30k buys you bragging rights so random dudes on instagram could reply "sick watch bro" under every pic you post.
If you want complements, just buy a Rolex. If you want quality get an Omega, Grand Seiko or Patek.
Sick comment bro
@@amelnikov Bro, thanx bro!
big lez mate Rolex > Omega
@@biglezmate3830 👌 yup, not to say rolex doesen't offer good quality, just not in comparison to price vs quality ratio imo, that being said, I do still like Rolex but I'm an Omega fan.
Great message; affordable mechanical watches keep the spirit of traditional watch making alive :)
It's a good day when watchfinder releases a new video.
Regular watch manufacturers when Watchfinder takes out the microscope for the detail shots: 😭
A. Lange & Söhne: 😎
Grand Seiko: hold my sake
“Price it and they will pay“
The entire watch industry in one sentence, ladies and gentlemen.
@jeppemichael no. Just the jewelry industry. For example, buy a Ferrari and it doesn't come with the same performance as a Honda Civic for 100x the price.
@jeppemichael True, but it is especially so with the watch industry
Functionally, a Quartz movement is superior to a mechanical movement in almost every conceivable way
But the watch industry has managed to convince us to pay more for mechanical movements
It literally makes zero sense
That's like Nokia convincing people to pay more for the 3310 than an IPhone X Pro
But yet here we are
@@anno1602 civic is actually better because you can drive four people around and run errands.
Hiyuke La Vie it does actually make sense. Matters of the head vs the heart. A mechanical watch better resembles something living. People love the idea of such a complicated system of gears doing it’s thing on your wrist, which also looks nice on the outside. More often than not a watch is a piece of jewelry and not just a tool for telling the time(you could just use a phone for that). And people like expensive jewelry.
This might sound bs. It made sense in my head
@@mubtasimfuad2225 You are literally just parroting what the watch industry taught you to think
It doesn't matter if people can tell time with their phones, these products are still categorized as timepieces, aka watches
And as I said, Quartz watches are functionally superior to mechanical watches in almost every way, yet we happily pay more for a mechanical watch, and that makes zero sense
It's no different from the wine industry, where it has been proven that in blind taste tests, so called wine experts literally are not able to tell apart cheap and expensive wine
Yet people are conditioned to happily pay more for certain bottles of wine, because it's a "good vintage" - again it makes zero sense
Wine and watches are literally industries built upon the expectation that people are pompous bigots, and will gladly pay more for an inferior product, as long as you can convince them that it's something exclusive that's out of reach of the common people
Watches and pricing - the perfect example of diminishing returns.
Absolutely!
Yes, if you go for " high end " (quality ? ) prices increase exponentially for a very minute in real quality ( goes for wines, cars & watches alike... )
In many cases you just pay for a brand name...
Because all you really need is a Gshock
@@rzezniqq Gshock , now that's a b ' ' ' ' ' shock!
rzezniqq you don’t really need a watch at all, it’s about want rather than necessity
7:49 (edit) one hundred times, not "ten times".
lefroy1 thats what i thought too 😂
@@TKsheng It's just so unusual to see our man here make a slip-up like that. I thought he was impervious to making errors like us mere mortals. ;-)
I caught that also. And it is rare for the Watchfinder guy to make that sort of mistake.
The Lange informs other CEOs you can afford a Lange.
Do you buy it because you genuinely value it, or is it just to impress others ?...
@@jandoerlidoe3412 How about both?
@@YT-jh8co Yes, that is also a option...
@@jandoerlidoe3412 In the case of Lange, I think it's a watch you buy for yourself first and foremost. Lange as a brand isn't known enough to be a show-off watch, but you will get double takes and approving nods from other watch guys and those kinds of watches are the best, in my opinion.
If a CEO wants to impress another CEO, they'd point to their stock price before the watch on their wrist.
Hand made by monks in the Swiss Alps and polish by virgin girls hence the $30k asking price.
"Difference between an object and an art"
A single line enough to describe a lot...
Hamilton shows you time while A.Lange & Sohne shows your time!!!
ALS are probably my favourite brand and I hope I get to own one in my lifetime, but I think Hamilton watches are fantastic for what you pay. I bought a Hamilton Jazzmaster skeleton (blue) for £995 a few weeks ago and I love it as much as my Tag, Oris and Omega.
Nothing will compare to an ALS, but I would wholeheartedly recommend Hamilton to anyone, no matter how much money they have!
I didn’t just enjoy this video, I was totally emerged in it to the exclusion of everything else. You are a master story teller. I could never afford this masterpiece but I certainly appreciate it. Thanks 😊
John Brabant well said that man
Man, the mirror finish on the Lange's case is so flawless that you can see the narrator's face reflection in it.
Hamilton really does make some fine watches for the money. 80 hr power reserves, Swiss made, what more could you ask for?
Japanese watches, that's what.
Sam MedCode nah, Hamilton is much more superior and look better than any Seiko.
People want brand name. If this watch had a rolex name on it, being the same watch, the price tag would go up from 300 to 5000 in an instant
0:17 "Can one really be a hundred times better than the other?".
I'm still not convinced.
Yes, its got individually hand-engraved, bevelled parts that would astonish even quantum physicists, I get all that, but in no other way than the most poetic of contexts would this be "an absolute bargain".
The Civic vs. Veyron comparison is quite apt in highlighting this: in most other industries a 100x difference - or even a 10x difference - wouldn't need a lecture on the history of art, science and watchmaking to appreciate.
In a time when most regular people laugh in disbelief when you show them devices that can be mechanically powered without a battery, the Lange - as exquisite as it is - sits proudly on a lonely throne with few subjects to call.
Am I the only to comment on this? with this comment? Fair point @Abdul Rahman Noor
mate, it's a hand made watch, unlike Hamilton with its off the shelf movement made in a factory. If you do not appreciate craftsmanship, then nothing will convince you. It's like comparing a sculpture carved in wood to a 3D printed plastic figurine...
@@tommylobotommy Good comparison :)
Awesome story telling and production quality! You rock, WatchFinder!
Its a challenge to justify the AL&S over the Hammy. Talking Hands does it brilliantly. Even my Hamilton Khaki is impressed☘
Quartz movements also improved the performance of 'the watch.'
For 30K I'd want my screw heads to align.
I first learned about Lange watches about a decade ago when I started working freshly out of college. Their large poster of 1815 up-down drew my attention at first sight. Of course I had no means of affording even a Nomos back then, let alone a Lange, but it was Lange that sparked my interest in fine timepieces and horological art. Over the years, a myriad of watch brands have gone in and out of my collection. Lange still remains my favorite brand to this day, in terms of history, craftsmanship and philosophy. Feel truly fortunate to own a couple of Lange pieces, and have got to know their senior management, including Mr. Wilhelm Schmid
The Hamilton has Date function. 30k doesn't get you that apparently 😬
if you want date you need to add another 20k
True dress watches don't have date windows.
Still, if you compare with a smartwatch, a Hamilton doesn't not even have e-mail notifications...
However we value more the Hamilton than a smartwatch for the heritage and the way the mechanism was built. The same is true for the high end watch since we value it more for the heritage and the attention they put into it when it was built.
@@lucassanders7758 Exactly, I just wanted to say that. I _wish_ more affordable dress watches came _without_ a date window!
Try the Zeitwerk, that doesn’t even give you the hands to point time😊😊
It's the price of having ALS printed on the dial, it's the price of owning a little part of the ALS history.
I knew from the beggining what the answer will be but I am still extremely happy to finally see a Hamilton on this channel. My first mechanical, automatic watch was from Hamilton and I still love it.
A. Lange & Sohnes are truly a bargain, Well said.
I don't want to be smartass, but today's A. Lange & Söhne was founded in 1990. The former A. Lange & Söhne company became part of the GUB during the time of the GDR, which is the watch brand Glashütte Original today (also handmade watches). So while today's A. Lange & Söhne surely manufactures watches in the spirit of Glashütte's long watchmaking tradition, it is incorrect to say that today's A. Lange & Söhne was founded in 1845.
He’s just convinced me that £30k is too much!! Much rather a £3k grand seiko...
Lange is truly the only watch makes that has their pieces look flawless under magnification.
Grand Seiko did it too with a fraction of the price premium.
Not really, I spotted quite a few imperfections during watching this video. Weird for such expensive watch.
Are we watching the same video? Hell, I saw spots on the dial of the Lange.
@@enkryptron I heard and heard and heard again of GS on RUclips. Then I saw the prices .......damn it's pure quality but the prices are by no way cheap, a GS diver costs as much as a Seamaster.
GS is pure quality, but it's by no way a bargain, the prices match the product : it's damn expensive.
the second hand on the Lange was not straight and had a rough edge to it.
*Puts on A. Lange & Sohne*
Denethor II, the 26th Ruling Steward of Gondor: "Come, sing me a song."
My God!!. What an absolute quality in the finishing of the movement parts. Not a single blur or any other visible defect. Even the manual engraving is finished perfect!.
Isn't the number 4 in roman numerals supposed to be written as "IV"...?
Mahedi M in the traditional watch-making the roman numeral IV had always been written as IIII. IV is the more “modern” representation of it. So, companies still stick to the “traditional” form to emphasize the history and heritage.
It seems to be a common display of 4 within watch making. It's more rare to see the IV than the IIII. This dates back to the earliest clocks and even sundials. Romans preferred it written that way I guess.
I read that it has something to do with "IV" being the beginning of the word Jupiter in latin. Whichever the reason, it really bothers me everytime I see IIII instead of IV
It is known as the watch makers 4, it would be harder to read if it went IV, V, VI. The IIII is easily read quickly
It's a way to separate the dial in 3 distinct part 1st : I (I, II, III, IIII) 2nd : V (V, VI, VII, VIII) and 3rd : X (IX, X, XI, XII)
I tested my Sinn 556 (£1200) against my Seiko Bullhead (£300), and amazingly it was only 3.5 times better.
maan u are right but please understand that not many people got 1200 pounds & the good taste to buy one great watch like u already did!!....
Yes, I would wear the 'Lange & S' with the bottom plate face up and have the Hamilton on the other wrist for time telling. I just wonder how long the entertainment value would last on the 30000 Pound L & S. I probably get bored shitless after looking at it for 11minutes!
That Hamilton had my attention for quite a while, I'd still get it as my everyday watch.
Hmm that’s a interesting idea. The A. Lange & Sohne watch isn’t a just a watch, it’s art that tells time. Thinking that way I’d be able to rationalize the 30k.
I recently saw a vintage dealer who had a WW2 era U-Boot captain's pocket watch made by A. Lange und Söhne in the early 1940s. I guess that was a piece of _art_ which timed torpedo runs? :-)
@@j.burgess4459 I guess so lmao. Not sure that's the art I'd want but to each their own I guess.
When you're in the market for a wrist watch above $50, you're already in the market for something that is more ornamental than pragmatic. In that case, buy what sings to your heart - it's your money, after all. Just my 2¢
@@jonathanjones7681 Personally I see watches as exquisite little pieces of mechanical engineering built for the purpose of keeping track of time, date, moonphases, etc, etc. I'm a little sceptical of the idea that a watch could be "art". Maybe there is some unusual context in which it could be? But a production timepiece isn't (so far as I can see?) normally going to be expressing any kind of conceptual point.
BTW I agree that I wouldn't much want to own an old B-Uhr from a U-Boot - even if it was made by Lange. But I do have some nice little Omegas bought by the British Air Ministry for aircrew during WW2.
The rear of the Hamilton clearly shows 2824-2 which is actually a 28800, 4hz movement!!!!
You're right but it's 4Hz.
eRZé yes it is, my mistake.
I think Hamilton modifies the 2824-2 so it runs at 21600 and that’s how they get the 80 hour power reserve instead of the usual 40ish.
@@ulysses26 I suppose thats possible but would they not give it their own calibre reference if that was the case?
For once I caught an error in what he says: they do NOT beat at the same 21600BPH. The Hamilton is based on 2824 which is a 28800BPH (and is also well visible by the motion of the second hand).
It is not the 2824. It's the modified H-10
Lower rate, longer power reserve
@@dummule_ It even says 2824-2 on the caseback, it can't be the H-10 because then it would say H-10.
@@erze2367 hmm good call. But maybe we're both correct as current production models have the H10
7:39 - 7:41 best reflection of you so far because of platinum!
The value of a mass produced item is the cost of manufacture plus a fair profit margin for the manufacturer, wholesaler, and retailer. The value of a work of art is in the eye of the beholder.
A. Lange & Sohne > the entire watch industry. Period.
You forget Grand Seiko
@TheDukeV / Cheaper than a rolex and a level of finishing on par with patek you better tell me you're a trolling.
@TheDukeV / I was talking about Grand Seiko. Small misunderstanding. Don't sweat it. And Rolex may be overrated but it's still got it. It's pure class even if you factor in the cost. If you buy a mainstream Rolex then the problem is with you not the company.
Hello, what camera do you use to zoom into the movements? ?
0:32-it really looks like 720p vs 4k-the crispness 😵
4:10 please tell me more about the £30K of art I'm clearly missing out on
He did didn't he?
@@florigjonaj8777 "more"
The lugs on the Hamilton are 1000x more beautiful that the ones of the A.Lange..
I also prefer the lugs.
I like the "corne de vache" styled lugs on the Hamilton too, however I am not sure about a 1000X more beautiful though...
A.Lange & Sonhe lugs (and cases) have way more detail and finish than they are given credit for. Check out the craftsmanship @6.28.
@@diegoog3654 yeh but its like they stopped caring. The lugs need to be beautifull too (or rather, elegant), not two simple pieces of steel welded on.
@@minityper I personally find them far from simple, and they're definitely not Steel... well apart from the Richard Lange Jumping Seconds in Steel, which is a 1of1 "piece unique" that was auctioned for Charity.
@@diegoog3654 I know they are not made of steel, but they are just to simple. Its like an unfinished job.
what hamilton watch is this?
Why the number 4 is IIII but not IV on the A.Lange&Sohne ?
Hamilton is a watch, A Lange is an art piece.
Fredfredbug4 exactly! Hamilton you can ‘wear every day to “tell the TIME”, the L&S you wear occasionally or not,’
Christopher Jansen Ng I mean there are people who do wear expensive watches on a daily basis
Does anyone know mechanically why the gears on the back of the ALS turn? Whereas on some mechanical watches they do not appear too. Thanks
Could you do a video on the best 300$ dress watches, please? I think many others would like to see a video on an affordable dress watch.
get yourself a Japanese movement, orient star - retrogade is around that price point, ive got one and there brilliant and accurate
*retrograde
Can you make a review over a simple, affordable watch like the automatic Citizen Marine Sport NH8380 and it’s Miyota 8200 movement? I really appreciate your channel! Great job!
Great vid thanks
I think you mean 100 times as much as the Hamilton - 7:49
Excellent video but, to be a little nitpicky, @7:50 you asked "...so, is this A. Lange & Söhne worth 10X as much as the Hamilton?" Yes, it is! I would absolutely pay $3000 for that magnificent timepiece...
what is the background music used at the start of the video
No watch is worth 30k. Ever. Craftsmanship and heritage can and should appreciated but are only worth so much, not 100x more. It’s all about the name and status.
Why most of the watches with Roman Numerals write 4 (IIII) and not like it should be (IV)?
That's a good question.
Whats the name of the two songs he always has in the background or foreground?
May I know what's the lug to lug distance for Hamilton? Thanks
Always enjoy watching :).
Another excellent video. How about comparing them with a 3K Grand Seiko SBGW231?
The 9S64 is a high performance manual wind caliber. It difficult to carry a long minute hand, and, even, longer sec hands, running at high frequency for 72 hrs and keep accurate time ( mine is +2 spd). Connoisseurs call this the Third hand. Most precision manual wind, not only runs at low beat, but, has low power reserve bec it's a feat to maintain accuracy after the 40th hour, even, low performance caliber like this Lange. That's why i am not obsessed by thin watches. I am more impressed with high performance, yet, affordable watches. Not complications, though.
As usual, even quantitative metrics like price and timekeeping precision are run through a qualitative filter for the purpose of a WF&Co review. I love the way that everything you guys post in some way communicates the history, legacy, technical mastery, etc of the brands you discuss and choose to share with us. After all, unless you’re coming at it purely from an investment standpoint, watch collecting is a matter of the heart, not the head. Why else would someone pay entry-level BMW money for a time only watch?
And yet...
By the way, towards the end of the video (I’m on mobile so I don’t have a time stamp, apologies), we can sooooorta-kinda see your face reflected in the bottom of the Lange’s case. At long last, the mystery begins to crumble...
Thank you again for another wonderful, edifying review - at this point ALS should really be offering you an endorsement deal, it feels like you do more to sell their watches than any ad I’ve ever seen...
Give me the £300 Hamilton and i'll use the remaining £29,700 to travel the world for a few months.
If you only have £30.000 you clearly cannot afford the A Lange.
Very well done!
Perhaps one day I'll be able to add a Lange.. in the interim I really enjoy Hamilton and find them elegant for a very reasonable price.
Own the Jazzmaster Petite Seconde in both the black dial and white and love them.
Why they writte IIII and not IV in roman number?
I think you made a mistake 7:46 "ten times as much as a Hamilton". So you meant one hundred times, isn't it?
Not taking into account the price and legacy that comes with the brand... and of course not taking into account that the L&R has an amazing visible movement on the back... I really like the looks of the Hamilton, I love the clean and tight design... completely my style of watch.
Dear Watchfinder, please review a Grönefeld ...
Thank you so much for doing this video. As a present day Hamilton owner and an aspiring Lange owner this truly is my dream piece. The Richard Lange is my fav watch💕💕
Great video. For now I'll make due with my Glashutte Original.
I see the Hamilton Valiant is a popular tool to tale the time and the date. The A Lange & Sohne Richard Lange is a rare and exclusive piece of horological art.
I must admit I really like how the A.Lange looks but 100 times more just for exquisite manual finishing? I would expect a miles-better accuracy for 100 times more money.
Cedar Canoe Accuracy to that degree means high level quartz watches like The Citizen Chronomaster.
QuickQuips indeed! Great movement (and a great brand) but no wwtch-nerd who is interested unfortunately
"Expect a miles-better accuracy for 100 times more money?" No. That is unrealistic. In the 21st century accuracy is way past being a factor. The Apple watch has more accuracy than either of these because it gets its time from GPS satellites. The Internet synchronizes through GPS or atomic clocks. No "2 to 10 seconds" accuracy per day. We are talking microseconds accuracy. No mechanical watch can possibly surpass that accuracy. So you have to look elsewhere (and far afield) for the difference. Workmanship, engineering, intrinsic beauty, precious metals and jewels. Anything but accuracy (without being too inaccurate, of course). That said, we don't really need accuracy below 10 seconds a day, and couldn't even use it for any of the reasons we normally use a wristwatch.
@@CARPB147 i think we can conclude that much of the cost of a luxury watch is just manual work of optical finishing. My point is that I would like tonsee some more engineering done to hi-cost time pieces
@@cedarcanoe - another factor in the price is simple supply and demand. Very small supply for a product with enough demand causes prices to skyrocket. An example of that is a recent rare watch sale that reached $31 million. Same can be said of certain paintings, etc. There are always collectors. In a special watch, and in a day when the supply of currency is deliberately kept to small denominations, it is a very compact way to transport wealth.
"When I buy my replica watch"
I love AL&S and as an investment or something you want to hand down through generations there is no comparison.As a watch that you wear everyday and don’t care if you drop it,accidentally get it wet,hit it against something or lose it the Hamilton is the pick 10/10.
Wonderful review ( as always ! ) but why did you do not show the interior of the Hamilton ? Would have been interesting to make a comparison...
His videos are always non invasive it's just most of the time watches have display backs if there's something worth seeing.
@@Ray-gz4ut yes, that might be; the Hamilton had no display back (most likely not, as he would have shown otherwise ) yet , all the same it would have been interested to see what kind of a job automated machines would have turned out...there is no reason to suspect that the result would have been ugly or insipid....
Hamilton is nice I own some. A. Lange & Söhne is absoulutely dreamy I'd kill to have one. But I'd love to hear about Perrelet A1051 with your mesmerizing naration.
If you answered no, you are blind. You are not paying just for a face, you are paying for the quality inside and out. You are paying for the incredible engineering and workmanship. Also, the face alone is a made with a much higher degree of workmanship as well, obvious to the keen eye.
I would think the largest movement supplier in the world is Seiko, Miyota or Seagull. Looking at the number of microbrands that use them. More than ETA methinks?
Timothy Ng as the name implies microbrands dont sell many watches to begin with.
I've heard that claim made about Seagull many times. I think it's possible, considering they supply movements not just to microbrands but also companies like Fossil and Timex. And their own watches are popular enough in China to be worth counterfeiting by other Chinese manufacturers -- a sign of success, haha!
@@hugedickerinokripperino5299 that's true. But surely more seikos than swatch group brands? Eg more Toyotas than Audis in the world?
Timothy Ng i cant disagree with that one m8
Lol no. Microbrands constitute a very small percentage of watches in the world. ETA is massive and you can get a Swatch watch sub brand (Tissot, Hamilton, etc) almost anywhere in the world. Microbrands as the name implies are limited and Seiko watches are mostly bought online if you're not in Japan, as opposed to swatch subsidiary brand watches that can be bought it almost every jewelry store or mall. What you see in forums/collector forums does not reflect the real world sales.
I will have to buy both watches. How else would I be able to tell the date? And if you wear each timepiece on either wrist when going on a first time date I can imagine the following situation. "Oh, nice watch!" - "thank you: it's a Lange&Sőhne!" - "no, I mean the black one!" Okay, check please!
It's a dress watch. Which is the strict sense means that the watch is to be used in situations where you don't need to check the date and the watch dial must look as clean as possible
The A.Lange&Sohne hands aren't finished as well as my grand seiko.....hmmmmmm
Can you kindly review the Meistersinger line of watches. Thank you.
Can you review the Armand nicolet collections
Narrator said "ten times" as much in the end of the video, when he should have said "one hundred"
are 21600 bpm movements really doomed to poor accuracy?
This is actually the older version of Hamilton, still having the ETA 2824-2 with 8 beats per sec.
Prefer the G-Shock. Affordable, water tight, tough, accurate, pretty good looking.
@lilmayo Tks! Yes, I know. Those high-end models made in Japan. I am referring to the lower-end models.
Each to their own. If that's what you value I won't knock it. Some people like a whiteboard on their wall to keep track of their to-do list and tasks, others prefer a canvas painting. White board is way more useful and for its utility is priced far more reasonably. Can't hate on those kind of choices.
Give me an A Lange & Sohne over a Patek any day of the week. They are the most beautiful watches.
I own the Hami referenced here but I most certainly agree.
30k ?! Why would I get this ?! I could build a great collection hell I'll get a calatrava and then some
Raymond Redington you just skipped the entire video and came down to comment
@@JPS-sc1znI didn't skip any thing
I was just thinking that we haven't seen an A. Lange on this channel for a while, then this video comes up to my notification page.
i would think a key feature of luxury is that indulges in diminishing returns.
Great vid from a couple years ago, thank you. Did not know seperate movement cocks move over time and need to be readjusted. Very interesting.
I rarely comment but this is my favourite video you've put out to date, really enjoyed it 👍