Seiko vs Grand Seiko | Watchfinder & Co.
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2019
- Just as Rolex is the brand everyone knows as the luxury watch to have, Seiko has the same reputation as the affordable, reliable go-to for those shopping on a budget. Very few have heard of Seiko’s big brother, Grand Seiko, and when they do, the inevitable response is one of shock; after all, why would anyone pay ten times the price of a standard Seiko for the addition of the word ‘Grand’?
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It's insane how good that Presage looks under a macro lens.
I love my Seiko Passage .
i wanna faint
The hands are polished by hand, on a 500$ watch, isn't it awesome?
Proud possessor of a presage with champagne dial: after almost 2 years, it's getting darker making it even more awesome. Bought it for 270 euros.
Mattia Santangelo Im not a prof. Can I buy this watch?
Refreshing to see Seiko's cost-conscious models properly acknowledged.
alex brunsdon if they had shown the 6R cocktail time.. then, yes. But this 4R one is a disgrace which only acknowledges the cost-cutting-consciousness of Seiko.
@@fattyacid1901 That's pretty self entitled...Seiko doesn't owe anyone a 6R movement watch at $300.
@@fattyacid1901 sit down.
@@engineer_wannabe all sensible people appears here
@@Racin3 katz! Haha..
That grand Seiko has a shockingly buttery second hand
Yup, it's the 9s Springdrive. If I'm not mistaken, it's so smooth because it doesn't have a beat.
Trev Barlow Correct, here's the best explanation I've found
ruclips.net/video/JX88Vj4biU0/видео.html
Sheer beauty
I can't stop looking at it!!
The second hand on the presage bugs me
The sweeping spring drive hand always take my breath away.
my first thought too
Well take a look at Bulova’s Precisionist watches, same smooth sweeping second hand at a fraction of the cost....
@@dougm659 Quartz watches don't move the second hand at the frequency of the crystal the way that mechanical watches move the hand at the frequency of the escapement. The circuitry of a quartz watch keeps track of the crystal vibrations, but they use an electronic stepper motor to move the hand at some arbitrarily-decided frequency. In most quartz watches they use the motor to move the hand once per second, to save battery life. Bulova chooses to move it multiple times per second to mimic a sweeping second hand. But it is still not truly smooth, the way a Spring Drive is. Spring drive is the smoothest possible system because the gear train doesn't "tick", it is in 100% constant motion.
When I visited my father house & take his Grand Seiko snowflake just to see the sweeping hand on the chair.it's mesmerized
paintballplayer700 don’t forget the Accutron/pitchfork movement.
While not stepless, the 300 ticks per second is completely smooth to the human eye.
No way, A SEIKO VIDEO!!! This is it guys, the moment we’ve all been waiting for.
There has been a few on this channel, even comparing Rolex.
@Uno Bassman didn't realise there was still watch snobs around ;)
@Uno Bassman even worse.... Brew Watches
there have been a few, noob
@Uno Bassman The man makes the watch , if a great man wears a Seiko both he and the watch are prestigious. If a man chooses a luxury watch just for its prestige he is just pretentious. Like it says in the video you can be proud to own either.
I'm so proud of this channel. I was counting the days for a Seiko. And, even more than expected, the video was able to give the deserves credits for the brand.
Do you own a Seiko?
Fun fact: The year Seiko was originally established was also the year Hans Wilsdorf (founder of Rolex) was born.
Christopher Rumantono i hope someone has a birth year watch
As a former bartender, I cannot help but be absolutely in love with the cocktail time collection of presage. Beautiful watches.
Finallyyyyy , what I can buy in watchfinder
i still cant :(
@africano dos santos dos santos neither can I
@@nishanthb6379 Snk357
The Seiko Pressage and the Grand Seiko are both beautiful. The good thing about Seiko is they make watches for people at every economic level.
If someone offer me for free either Rolex or Grand Seiko.I will absolutely choose Rolex.
Sell it back & use a money to puchased 2 pieces Grand Seiko.
Exactly what I'll do.
You totally got us in the first half!
Why not get the Rolex, sell it, and get 40 regular Seikos? Or for that matter why not get 400 Casios? Sometimes, more does not mean better...
@@TimWrite But in this case, it does lol.
The Grand Seiko is a more beautiful watch, with the Rolex is better for showing off, if that's your thing.
You are certainly getting a lot of love for featuring a regular Seiko and giving the brand the respect it has earned. Great to see.
My father’s Seiko inspired my love of watches as a child. One day, a grand Seiko will be mine.
Same
Same here.
My father gave me a SEIKO ten years ago as a gift.
And now I bought a GRAND SEIKO by myself.
Same here, my dad just bought me a Seiko 5 which is my first automatic watch.
I personally am proud to display my $300 seiko in the same case as my GMT master and Explorer 2
Alan Downunder same here! My seiko SARD007 shares a box with a Grand Seiko SBGH039, rolex batman, Rolex hulk and a Nautilus 5712!
I love my seiko best beater watch ;)
Fuck your shitty pos rolexes made for douchebags, seiko is way better
@@purplefabian someone is salty he doesn't have a rolex
@@purplefabian So much salt. I own several Rolexes and Seikos as well, btw. Maybe you'll start thinking differently when you finally have the money to buy one. I bet you'll choose a Rolex over a similarly priced Grand Seiko.
Nothing can describe my happiness of this video, I am a proud presage owner.
With any model Seiko, there are no regrets
@@stanm299 indeed
I own a Presage Cocktail watch in rose gold with chocolate dial. What a beauty! The dial is a work of art.
Just bought one myself. Beautiful
Im so happy to hear this cause i now own a Seiko presage and i love it i feel special when i wear it.
That GS second hand sweep is like watchporn! Damn!
Love that Seiko has such a wide range. Even the sarb looks amazing under magnification
I'm surprised by that too, this is not a sarb, this is lower tier than the sarb wth the 4r, the sarb is no more and replaced by the presage 6r15
So true, I was expecting a cruder level of finishing than that. The macro made it look even better!
Patrick Riarchy I believe the only one officially named Cocktail time was the first one the Sarb 065. The newer ones with the slightly lower grade 4r15 movement are only called cocktail time by enthusiasts and are now just called presage watches. You can tell the presage models because they have much bigger, onion shaped crowns.
John Flink the new ones are branded Presage and are the SRBP061J and others
Fritz Frigursson079 ok, isn’t that what I said?! Obviously my poor use of the English language! 🥴
This guy's voice makes me want to spend money I don't even have 💸
Lol
i know the feels
The GS is absolutely beautiful. Love the capped seconds hand, rarely seen even on other luxury brands. Thanks for the video!
Okay.. now it's time to buy more Seiko watches as the price will go up after it gets featured in Watchfinder & Co. channel 👍👍
And now, a surge in Presage sales followed by a price hike 😂😂😂
I have the blue Presage and it is a stunning watch, always grabs attention. For the price it is extremely good and doesn't have many watches that can rival it.
Great video guys. Those shots are incredible 👏
This video alone made me buy a Seiko Presage. Beforehand my most expensive watch was 70 dollars. And I'm more than happy. Thanks !
Congratulations wear it on good health
How is your experience?
@@adulapuramakhil871 so far so good. Perfect all the time. I didn't wand it to the max and it lasted me more than 2 days.+ My one is model SSA365J1 and it's very beautiful.
I love how the markers look like they are floating on the dial of the Presage.
I bought my GS Spring Drive last year. Since then my Rolex Explorer has never left its drawer.
Excellent video, in fact, a PERFECT video!! It's great to see Seiko and GS getting the respect they so much deserve!
👍👍👍
Forgot to mention that when someone asks me how my channel compares to Watchfinders, I say I am a Seiko 5 of RUclips channels and they are a Grand Seiko 😁
Watch Geek 😂😂😂
Nothing wrong with Seiko 5s! Maybe your channel is the channel for the masses 😉
You are a humble man. I love your channel!
@@reperealegandirii thank you for the kind words 🙏🙏
what can u say about the seiko 5 with 7s26 compared to citizen eagle 7 cal 8200?
I have this exact same Presage, and my appreciation for the watch has risen tremendously due to the beautiful macro shots. I love it dearly but I've never seen it this up close. Thank you!
One thing guys: Smartwatches aren't watches. Watches don't go obsolete, the Apple watch does.
D K Thanks for this. They are wrist computers, not watches.
Agree 1000%
You need to charge a smartwatch every 2 days. Who got time for that?!
I never waste money buying watches that last as long as the battery built in it.
You are right, apple "watches" are totally disposable. The built battery can't be replaced, so when the recharge cycle has expired, it's just a piece of junk.
Let alone the software incompatibility.
A year ago someone gave me a smartwatch. Wore it for 2 days and got tired of it.
beautiful composition. ur shots keep getting better and better, I love them!
I'll never tire of watching the smooth second hand movement of the GS SpringDrive.
If you're interested in a Grand Seiko have a look at the Snow Flake. The detailing on the face is extraordinary.
Seiko my favourite brand ! A watch guys watch. Let the quality speak for itself. I love that with seiko you aren’t paying for the branding the same way you are with other brands
Great video as usual. And glad to see a watch channel “get” Seiko.
Watchfinder on Seiko! Christmas is early this year.
Thanks for featuring a Seiko in your videos!!
Finally. Listen to that watch snobs
I love the Grand Seiko specifically for that smooth spring drive but design wise their Presage line is just better looking overall. Wish they would offer more of the Presage with an SD movement.
It'll be the u,timste watch for me if seiko combine those two elements! But I may have to sell a few things to buy one😆
I love Seiko. Even the Seiko 5s. They are good quality watches for the price and people find them underrated. Thank you for this video. 😌
That they can make that Presage for a few hundred bucks is a miracle onto itself.
Thank you for always guiding us through your vast knowledge about watches
I’ve started myself keeping updated with all the history about the watch companies and every aspect regarding to it
Appreciate your videos, always looking forward to it.
Thanks for this video - loved it. I was waiting for a decent Seiko video from you for ages and you delivered.
I'm surprised how well finished the Presage is even at that magnification for its price. I have its predecessor and it is a lovely watch.
Actually Seiko was the first to build wrist mounted computer as well, back in the early 80s :)
Most rolex owners (keyword: most) buy they're watch for status and show. A Grand Seiko owner is one who cares more about innovation and horology. I love Seikos and am saving for a spring drive.
seanthomxx which model you going to get?
I bought a nomos for me and it goes under the radar of everything ;)
@@mathieuvaillancourt3219 they look awesome
@@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt Heritage with the ice blue face
@@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt yeah fuck the douchebag rolex owners seiko watches are way better
Your photography is clearly top notch. It's a joy just to watch the hands ticking away like this.
Such a coincedence! I was looking at the Seiko cocktail watch 3 days ago and wished you guys would make some lovely close ups and you did! Great video.
I love the spring drive !
It is incredible the level that Seiko has in the art of watchmaking ... when I see the Presage Starlight dial, it looks like the night sky, I could watch that dial for hours, and that kind of thing only someone who loves making watches can impose at work... GS is perfect, an engineering work of art ... if one is found 700,000 years from now, it will be the greatest proof of the existence of intelligent life on earth ...
Look at the beautiful smooth movement of the spring drive movement. Just hypnotic
Incredible video. I had to do a double take when I saw the thumbnail because I was wearing my cocktail time and I never expected to see it in a WatchFinder video!
Sneak peak to the eyes of our favorite narrator 5:40
The zaratsu polishing finally got him!
@@gmshadowtraders dang those folks at grand seiko aren't messing around with their finishing
Man I kinda don't want to know how he looks like to me he is just a pair of perfect hands with a smooth voice.
For those that can’t find it, look right below between 5 and 6 o’clock on the watch 😉
How the heck did you all notice that. Here I thought I was vigilant 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
I never thought I’d see a watch I own on a watch finder video
Same! It's like we've finally been accepted into horology club
@@mr.lucas_guy6666 Welcome 🤣
Great dive into a history of Seiko! Thank you. I subscribed.
Thanks for another beautiful video!
I have the power reserve and subdial date version of the Presage. Have to say it never really appealed to me until I was lucky enough to try it on at the Seiko boutique in London and they are amazing watches. Love Seiko and Grand Seiko. Great video as always
OMG Watchfinder & Co features something from my watch collection! HE'S HOLDING MY WATCH!!
(Talking about the $400 cocktail time sorry to disappoint lol)
Adam Lam LOL
Great video! My first watch was a Timex field watch when I was 7yrs old. In 1975 for my 11th birthday my dad was working in the Middle East and bought me a Seiko Pogue 6139 the one with the Orange dial. All my friends at school were so jealous. It was far too big for my skinny child wrists but I loved everything about that watch. Nowadays I have a few Seiko's - SARB 033, SARB 017 Alpinist and SARX 045 amongst other entry level Swiss watches of a similar calibre and I appreciate what is good about all of them. I am yet to dip into the high end of horology and my tastes change as I learn about different watch makers and their history and philosophy, however, I can't help but feel some sort of allegiance to Seiko and I would love to own a Grande Seiko in the future. This video among others has strengthened my feelings and choice regarding this. The story about the guy putting 30 years of his life's work into developing the Spring Drive - the persistance and determination in acheiving this goal. I want to celebrate that by proudly owning and wearing such a watch.
Great video and narration as always.....As for Accuracy, would you consider a video on the 0100 movement from Citizen?
I have a Presage in blue with Power Reserve Indicator and little Date dial in the same blue. It’s really classy.. The price is unbelievably affordable for the quality offered
We need more videos for “budget” great watches like Seiko Tissot citizen rado and more
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I chose the GS over a Panerai, Rolex, Tudor, and Omega. Not that everyone will understand, but when you hold one, you just realize how amazing the craftsmanship is.
That sweeping seconds hand is sooooo smooth
Spring drive movement is so smooth
Now do casio g-shock. I'll be holding my breathe.
pippypipettes That would be great. I’d love it if Casio did a joint release with GS - a full metal squares in steel or gold with Zaratsu polishing! Then I think watchfinder would review it.
@@johnflink9286 High-end MT-G and MR-G have Sallaz polishing, which is the same thing. I don't know how well it is done, but they use the same "technique".
This is my favorite Seiko video on RUclips! Very well told! 😀👍
what kind of a setup do you use for these macro videos? They look awesome.
A captivating video. Both pieces are of supreme quality in their own right.
Before watching Video > Me : A Seiko? Meh!
After watching Video > Me : I would be proud to wear such a fabulous watch 😲
I have the exact same Presage model in the video with the bracelet.
Very nice to see these macro shots on here. I admired it under a loupe and was very impressed by the finishing, especially for the price. I found no imperfections under magnification. The polishing is on another level. It looks so great on the wrist, refects the light beautifully, I never get tired of looking at it and winding it.
Recommend the Presage Cocktail Time Range 100 %.
So, when I was doing jewelry and watch repair for my family's pawnshops I came across a few Grand Seiko watches. Never would work on them myself and always recommended a much more qualified person for them. Love those and that spring drive is nutty, quartz regulated, automatic second hand, just beautiful.
Seiko: Comes out with Seiko Prospex LX Spring Drive
Me: Take my money! Wait, how much is it? You mean I can buy a Rolex with that? Okay, give me some time 😅
Seiko watches, to me, are just amazing. I was watching (hehe. Puns) videos one day, and found some about the Seiko 5. I did some research and it is now the next watch I’m gonna get. It’s insane value for money.
If Seiko is insane value for money, You'll gonna lose your mind when You will discover Sea-Gull ;)
I have seiko 5 that is around 40 years old. I bought it non working on local flea market for around 10 bucks. Had it serviced and repaired for another 30 bucks. It is my favorite watch, it is small, elegant and fairly accurate. It survived a few nasty shocks and after I had it in my possesion for 5 years it is still going strong
I have a Seiko 5 that I got in 1997, still going strong, never been serviced. 6s fast per day!
Thank you for another great & calm post, dude...
Your narration is incredible. Awesome videos. 👍
Absolutely love Seiko and Grand Seiko!
After watching this, I really wanted to buy a Sieko.
I've got my Seiko Presage this week and love it already. By seeing this video i love it even more.
These videos are so well done.
Finally a Seiko!
I love Seiko but I’ve never felt like I need more than a Seiko 5. Save your money and just buy a Seiko 5 or an Orient.
Presage was my first Seiko and since then I am falling for the brand. And yes, me too was not expecting such a nice Seiko video here!
Dan love these vids....save them all......thank you
Excellent summary of the Seiko Brand. 👏🏽
Come to think about it, the closest I own to a Seiko is my Orient Bambino. I think it's time.
Just be careful, colecting seikos is a rabbit hole. Don't ask me how I know.
Dang, that Grand Seiko up close is so pristine! The finishing on every part is sublime.
I’ve recently learned about GS. More than any of its technological marvel, that smooth running sec hand is just mesmerizing.
hell yeah, Seiko's for the win :D i'll get that Snowflake GS someday!
I got this Seiko presage for $280usd / 215 GBP.
Jay Stannard Nice score
me too the exact same watch in Macy's for 270$ :)
Suriya Shankar.....WOW! My grail watch is a $270 one from Macy's. :-)
@@jharris947 Which one?
grey market?
Love the video! I’ve been going to Japan for decades and lived there as well. I collect watches by country and the last on my list is Japan. Trouble is I can’t decide which model of Grand Seiko I want. Have to choose wisely as I’ll only get one.
I love your video production...and narration. Keep up the good work!
I’d love to see one on Bremont.
What gear are you using for the shots? So crisp and smooth!
Watching this while wearing my grand Seiko snow flake
As much as I hate to admit, brand name matters.
Would you pay 20k for a Toyota? Yes. How about 80k for a Grand Toyota? No, that's silly. How about 80k for a Lexus. Sure.
It's really hard to be known for affordability and also for luxury. I can be done, but it's going to take a long long time for the message to get across. The names don't work, it's too similar for the average consumer to differentiate.
Thats the difference between western culture and the japanese, the only reason lexus exists is to appeal to the shallow westerners. Look at nissan for instance from the humble micra to the mighty skyline GTR's, Honda with a civic to an NSX, I feel this is a flaw in western culture to not look beyond the tip of our noses and be so petty.
@@williamsavory5274 You are totally spot on with the differences in culture. I am no exception to sometimes looking at something on the surface level only and passing judgement.
It’s hard to tell unless you try one. As an experiment would love to wear GS snowflake for a week and then a Rolex Oyster Perpetual for a week and see which made me feel more special. I suspect I would prefer the Rolex just because I know it’s a Rolex.
Finally, a video i can relate to and say, "i can maybe get that one as an upgrade", almost all other videos are of watches i can't imagine owning, from India it seems most of the other watches can get me around the planet a few times! That being said, your videos and the literature and story telling of each watch just makes for an absolutely brilliant presentation of watches, and really adds the charecter to the watches, excellent work mate!
The second hand on grand seiko moves so smoothly compared to normal seiko, just tells how different 2 watches from same company can be..
I don't care about Swiss Watch Makers.
Seiko was enough for me, price is not always guarantee the reability and detailing😂😂😂
I would take the Presage, but in blue, it’s just so beautiful
SARY085 / SRPC01
Finally !!! Seiko and Grand Seiko are my favorite , they make the best quality time pieces in all price ranges. They deserve so much more love and attention!
Once again great video!
Could you talk about Bvlgari? ( fav model octo solo tempo 38)
Keep up the good work!
5:51 Blemishes underneath the seconds hand of the GS revealed in the reflection. No doubt the worker in question has since commited honorary harakiri with an in-house GS zaratsu polished sword.
Wow, can not unsee that now. I would return the watch for that.
Shocked me as well.
The Apple Watch is not a watch, period.
Is a Gshock?
@@throwingdartsandbreakinghearts Yes.
Its just an evolution of ipod shuffle
It's a watch. Don't get mad about an apple watch. People are buying automatics more then ever.
It keeps time. Hell, my iphone is a watch. But if you want to get philosophical about it, what is a watch anyway? They don't measure time, they measure other watches.