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The Sette 270 is AU$530 and the Niche Zero is around AU$1600. If they are very similar in what they produce there is really only one winner. Just bought the Sette 270 to replace my failed Sunbeam, a AU$200 burr grinder. Has made a huge difference to what I can produce from my 12 yo Rancilio Silva.
Very, very important consideration: The "38mm" burrs in the Sette is the dimensions of the inner burr, while the niche "61mm" is the diameter of the outer ring. The actual burr size isn't *that* different, niche is still bigger ofc.
I have had the sette for 6 months now. Yes, it is loud, it is 10 seconds of your day - get over it. For the ultra low retention, reliability, small footprint and reasonable price point I have been very happy with it. I got the base model for less than $300 US, it did not have the step-less ring and I thought I would not need it. As I get further into making espresso I can see the benefit to having that option. It is available for an extra $100 and I will buy it in the future, easy to add on. Because I prefer to single dose I did not need the features of the 270wi. I did have to use their customer service and it was as fantastic as everyone says it is (I messed up the one/off micro switch when I first cleaned the burrs, newer models don’t have that fail point.). Excellent comparison review, LH does a great job. Clear example of the law of diminishing returns, I will spend the difference on good coffee beans.
Absolutely. The whole point of diminishing returns. My impetus for this video was in response to the insane difficulty of obtaining a niche. I hope people see this and know if they can't get a niche, it's not the end of the world haha
@@LanceHedrick very glad to hear, also your channel has opened up all sort of possibilities...life has given me rainbows recently and I want to make Informed and smart purchases that will make sense in my mouth:)
Really hope that you get a chance to do a detailed review of the DF64 similar to what you did with the Baratza Vario. Talking about alignment, modifications, and blind tasting against the Vario + (or modded Vario) would be very cool to watch. So much community discussion is currently revolving around the DF64.
Lance, you rock! I really like your videos because they complement, rather than repeat, what other people do in RUclips. You have a more down to earth approach to things, while keeping professional and educational. Keep up the excellent work!
Lance, you rock! Thanks for this video and all the latte art ones - definitely helped to get me in the right direction. Breville Infuser and now Sette 270.
Bro…Idk why I’ve been longing to subscribe. Just did! To me, you are fastly becoming the next James Hoffman. Well explained, well mannered, enthusiastic, connoisseur, and fun! Keep doing what you are doing brother! 👊🏾
I never would have thought to compare these two and would have assumed it would be no comparison. Thanks for doing this, I actually own the 270wi and feel vindicated. Thanks to Clive Coffee for their advice.
“Lance U Rock” I’m very happy you made this video. I have the Sette 270 and always wondered if ‘upgrading’ to the Niche was necessary. Glad to know. The Breville Dual Boiler with Sette 270 was actually my home workhorse team for years (until I sold my BDB in order to preorder the long-awaiting Odyssey Espresso Argos). FWIW- I also got a 3D printed single-dose hopper with a weighted auger for my Sette, and found the quality of the grounds was improved as a result. Thanks again, and keep up the great content.
I’ve been using the Sette 270 for as long as I remember. Happy with it. Don’t think I’ll ever go to another brand. I am getting a new born soon though so the noice might come in to play. Thanks Lance for the video. You do rock.
Thanks, Lance. My Niche arrived back in October after struggling to buy one for several months. I went through more espresso than I would have expected during the first week of ownership, but the Niche is doing great now. The espresso tastes really good.
GREAT timing on this video! I have had the Sette 270 for over a year and a half now and have a love/hate relationship with it. I like the way it looks, it works pretty well for single dosing and make good grinds. but GOD I am sick of the noise!!! (also annoyed on how the dial tends to move while grinding). So after much debate I finally ordered my Niche Zero this week and this video re-assures me that I made the right choice!!! Thanks!!
Yes! Congratulations on getting one! They are definitely fantastic grinders and will be a huge step up in work flow and consistency from your current setup
Very helpful review! I have owned a Sette 270wi for 2.5 years. I'm on my 2nd gearbox after the first one failed exactly 1yr in. The 2nd gearbox is starting to go now too, 1.5yrs later. I make about 3-4 espressos per day and don't single dose. Mainly, I love the grind by weight functionality to the 270wi as it dramatically simplifies my workflow. Waiting to see what Baratza is going to do in terms of hopefully providing another replacement gearbox, but have been looking at alternative grinders in the meantime. The Niche is now about the same price here in the UK at 500GBP. I'm really torn between getting one or switching to a flat burr grinder!
Yep. In the UK, too. Been using the Smart Grinder Pro as opposed to the Niche, but I can't shake off the feeling that there's going to be something greater than the Niche to upgrade to at some point soon. The SGP isn't too good for espresso if I'm being honest, so the temptation to upgrade can be quite alluring. I have to remind myself that at the end of the day it's still espresso, and I've got more important fiscal priorities.
I have a Macao M4D grinder that is a 58mm flat burr. I’m trying to replace the burrs if I can find a replacement. I’m currently using a smart grinder pro too, the Macao at over double the price is much better than the smart grinder, I can’t go fine enough on the smart grinder pro, so I’m using 22 grams rather my usual 28 grams. I like the weight option of the 270wi, but I’m wondering how it will compare to my Macao, no point spending money unless I’m getting the same or better quality.
I’m very new to the realm of nice home coffee, but I’ve found the sette fits perfectly into my tastes. I really like darker, bitterer roasts and brews and (likely because of this) have found the sette perfect for infusion brews or things like the hario switch. Plus its impossible to argue with the price to performance ratio. While I might enjoy the niche if I ever get my hands on it, I can see almost anyone getting into home espresso getting years out of a sette.
I have the Sette 270 and found that if you put beans in the hopper, it works much better: You can dial in the weight by programming the timer. Plus this makes it quieter, it grinds in half the time, and eliminates popcorning, which makes the grind better. And workflow is faster.
Absolutely! Always having beans to feed the dose is a better option, but then the beans can go stale a lot faster when in the hopper. So I think that's the impasse most people are at. Fresh coffee versus better grinding but old coffee.
Lance, you rock! Here in Aust, the Sette 270 (not the Wi) is currently on sale for AUD $539 and the Niche is on sale as well from the same online store for AUD $1789. While we could probably find them cheaper if we looked hard enough, the Niche is still 3x more expensive than the Sette. The Sette was on my list for a new grinder to upgrade from my Breville SGP but instead went with the Urbanic 070s from Lance's Budget Grinder Showdown video from last month. The Urbanic with titanium burrs from Amazon was AUD $450 landed in Aust. More than happy to have the option of a flat burr grinder at that price.
Absolutely! I'm so glad that you went with that grinder. It truly is a fantastic grinder. And if you take some Teflon tape and put them on the threads you can make the knob stepless. Which will open up a whole new host of different grind sizes.
@@LanceHedrick Thanks for that tip Lance, that will be my job for tomorrow. Thanks again for your awesome videos!! My Kono dripper arrived today in the mail and we have just tried your first recipe which we loved. Will have a go at the second recipe tomorrow and then look for some teflon tape. ;)
I had the Sette 270v2 for 2 years, it's really a good grinder, it produces really fluffly grind without any lumps (in no time) ! Really impressive ! its only weak point is the noise! I sold it and bought a Eureka Mignon Specialita'. I didnt noticed any improvement in flavor or body, maybe a subtle improvement in clarity ? i'm not sure. But it's definitively more quiet, and the build quality and aesthetic is way superior. Keep in mind those grinders were not designed for single dosing. Only the Niche was. Thanks Lance for the video, it's always fun to watch !
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Ahah yeah, good point :D noisy but in a short amount of time because it's fast. 😅 but i prefer the Specialita too :p two times slower but really quiet ! @Lance Hedrick Mignon Single dose is coming soon :D Merry Christmas guys !
Nice simple explanation. No "extra" montage or special effect used. Just grinder and coffee. Love it. I favor Niche Zero also but almost fed up waiting for stock to come
I had a sette for a couple of years and upgraded it for a niche a year ago. The difference in shots wasn’t as big as I had thought it would be. But I’m sure the niche will still be grinding long after the sette is dead. Th niche has far superior build quality. And if you’re into light roasted coffee I don’t think the sette will handle the density and hardness in the long run. No problem with the niche there. I liked the sette but I have no regret upgrading to the niche.
Exactly! Not a big deal. But, in the long run, for some people who have the means, the niche could be a much better option for build quality and for not having to do replacements
@@LanceHedrick I had to repair mine. The gear box is 50 EU and It's a pain to install. Doable for someone who's handy, but certainly not for everyone. The simpler repair is the motor+gearbox combo. It's about 100 EU. A lot easier to install, but still not trivial. Since it's bound to break down after about 1500 grinds, the Sette is not a grinder I would recommend. If I had known this, I wouldn't have gotten the sette. Now I'm stuck with a loud grinder that requires a finicky repair every three years.
Awesome comparison! Lance, you rock. My biggest takeaway is that in home setting, shot to shot consistency will never be perfect no matter what, so basically Niche is as good as it gets all things combined (grind quality, build quality, workflow etc), but you can get equally great results from a cheaper grinder. I just got my Niche - and availability seems to have greatly improved recently, it only took 2 weeks from order to delivery to the US - and while I’m very happy with it, I can definitely say that the shots I’ve been pulling with the Niche are very similar to what I had been getting from my Comandante C40 - sometimes better, sometimes worse. I expect the Niche to get more consistent over the next few months as it gets more seasoned, but still the difference in taste is never going to be several hundred dollar worth, like you said. But the looks and the workflow improvements are, to me.
@@Syd7088 I do! It makes a lot of difference. I drink mostly medium roasts, and sometimes light. Without Red Clix, the range between the machine choking to a "gusher" is basically 3 clicks. Red Clix makes this range twice as big - realistically you get about 3-4 clicks that produce a palatable shot. Now, arguably, 15 microns is still a bit high for espresso, and you might find yourself needing to adjust dose (within .2-.4 g for me usually) to get that final tiny adjustment.
I had the Sette 270 for about 3 years and upgraded to the Niche last year. I find the Niche a bit easier to dial-in my shots and cleanup is great. Adding the portastand and funnel from Decent makes it an even better setup as the metal cup isn't great for grinds with some static. But the big complaint I had with the Sette was that it was too darn loud (obnoxiously so in a home setting). My wife is so much happier now that she can sleep in on weekends :).
Absolutely! So you have noticed that the taste is not incredibly different, though there are certainly differences, the biggest upgrade is in the quality of build, the quietness of the grinding, and the workflow.
Prior to grinding. Dose beans in a dosing jar, one spritz of water OR two (and I mean two) droplets of water. Shake the jar with your hand covering the opening, then dump in grinder and go!
Lance.... you rock Love this kind of vid, more of these comparisons please! Lots of reviews focus too much on design, work flow etc rather than quality in the cup. And the comparison between different products is so useful. Df64 vs cheap 60mm flats vs Forte would be really cool
I need to finally just pony up and buy DF 64. I'm just so low on money. I've been blowing through my monthly budget through patreon like it's going out of style haha
Hey Lance! It would be also really interesting to carry out the similar battle between handgrinders for pourover (or other filter brewing methods), for example 1Zpresso (J or K series), or Timemore (popular C2 or their premium X model) vs Comandante. Price difference is like double, but some people say taste difference is negligible. Would be really nice to hear your opinion
Hey Lance, what was the roast level on those beans? I've been tempted by the Niche because I've heard it's better for light roasts than the Sette, while they might perform similarly on medium to dark. Is that true? Would love to get some comparative tasting across multiple coffees, doesn't need to be a blind test. This topic is one I've been waiting a long time for someone to do, so thanks!
Absolutely! I am too. My goal with this video was less to say anything negative about the grind or, but to ensure people who have not been able to get their hands on one that the alternative grinders out there are very good as well. The biggest thing the niche can offer in my opinion is the workflow and quality of build.
From my experience the most obvious difference of two grinders with same type of burr (conical here) is gonna be clarity, which is the most significant influence of fines in the taste. Other than that, all the "body", "sweetness" etc is very subjective. However, flat burr can have a rather big difference in taste vs conical, as the shape of the ground particles are different when inspected closely, which will influence the total surface area given a similar ground particle size.
Absolutely! You have nailed it right on the head, Martin! Thank you for sharing this. I will definitely hit more of this in future videos when I dive more into flat burr sets, but it's nice that you have put this here for people to see.
Thank you Lance!! I have the Sette "30x9" (30 with the 270 mod) and I am very happy. Thank you for confirming the quality of the Sette grinder. I am also enjoying my BDB. A great pair.
Absolutely! Just know that you'll need to keep really good care of that grinder. And if something does happen, make sure to reach out to customer support 1st. they usually take care of issues for a while
@@LanceHedrick I have the same set up - and re: taking good care of it........... a few weeks ago i was adding water to my Gaggia CP and - while distracted by my 5yo I POURED IT INTO MY SETTE. OMG i panicked and froze. My wife was like 'wtf - clean it up!' as water flowed from every intersection of its' plastic body and out of the ground spout. I was horrified that I'd just ruined 1/2 of my daily medication process (though somewhat thrilled about the likelihood of getting a new toy). I took it apart and put it in front of a fan for 24 hr and it seems to be no worse for wear. I realize some corrosion may have been initiated - but so far so good. I'm only a year into making actual non-Bialetti espresso - so I am not yet entirely ready to move on from my entry levels.
I would recommend against the WI. There are so many reported issues with the Tech in it. I would go with the base version 270. And merry Christmas to you too
@@LanceHedrickyip have the 270, it’s great. Friend has a 270wi and it’s also been great, but one thing we noticed is we prefer weighing the beans pre hopper where the 270wi weighs the beans in the portafilter. Based on our workflow the 270 is better Repairing the 270 & 270wi are both super easy though and parts are easy to obtain. Best thing about them. You rock
I have the Baratza Sette 270 with both sets of burrs, espresso & drip/filter. I do mostly filter coffee and use the filter burrs. Yes, the Baratza is noisy but it doesn’t bother me. My wife doesn’t however appreciate the noise. I also like the Baratza’s repair strategy but I’ve never had to utilize it over the 2 plus years of ownership. Also I’m a subscription service customer of Onyx in Rogers, AR. Love their coffees. Robert
Hey Robert! I'm currently in Rogers Arkansas sitting in my garage! Thank you for taking the time to comment. I agree with you on the noise. It doesn't bother me. And yes, their repair strategy is absolutely elite
Having had both of these, Lance is spot on. The flavor for money is not significantly different. However, the work flow on the Niche is certainly superior which is a small thing that adds up with daily use. Additionally, Baratza’s great customer service not withstanding, the Niche is noticeably quieter and built much more solidly (less likely to need service).
I happened to have been shopping for a grinder at the time of the GBP collapse last year and was fortunate to purchase the Niche substantially less than price range mentioned in this video. and fwiw availability wasn't an issue; received it in like 5 days from order.
@@LanceHedrick since purchasing it, I came across your channel and Niche criticisms. but you are mostly critical of its filter capability, no? I don't do filter, so far have just ground for moka pot, and it's been great. but have a robot on the way, so will be trying my hand at espresso soon.
@@trendandvalue I am not impressed by the espresso it produces, for what it is supposed to produce. I have had better espresso from, say, the eureka specialita and baratza sette.
Hey Lance- You rock! I think this was a great idea for a video and was well executed and I enjoyed it. However, I did have a few suggestions that I think could make comparisons videos like these even better. First, I think instead of just talking about the workflow, maybe we could watch your workflow with both grinders for just the first shot. That way u can talk about as well as show the real world impacts of the improvements of the Niche and show how it’s easier, faster, better distribution, sound while actually grinding, etc. This would seemingly be more useful than just mentioning those concepts. My second suggestion is with regards to the stirring. I really enjoy your video style and transparency in process and I do think it’s a good idea to show it for the first shot to mitigate questions, but showing the thorough stirring on the 2nd and 3rd shots instead of just mentioning that you repeated the procedure seemed like video time better spent on showing the shots or the workflow. Lastly, I focused on trying to guess which one was the Niche, rather than which one you preferred. For the 2nd shot, you guessed wrong because of the body but the other one was more clear and was the Niche. Which did you prefer and why? Would some prefer the body? I think focusing on what is better and worse within the shots is more useful than just seeing if a talented coffee professional can guess the grinder. Anyways, love the content, keep up the great work, and hopefully the feedback is received in the spirit in which it was intended. Merry Christmas
Thanks for the comment. Tried to speak in terms that were not subjective in the sense that I was telling which one I preferred but more so giving terms that I thought represented the cups well so that you could draw your own conclusions. If you go back and watch the tastings, you will see that I was quite descriptive with what I was tasting. But but, your notes are definitely noted and I will do better in the future
Now that was useful. I was happy with my Sette 30 with the 270 adjustment ring. Did month of research. It is loud, yes but I am single and it does not bother anybody and its only for a few seconds anyways. I always thought the high prices of some grinders are insane and way out of my reach. The Niche is beautiful though. But you confirmed my suspicion that after you reached a good level, it does not make a huge difference and definitely not a several hundred dollars or thousand dollar difference. I am now very happy with my Sette and concentrate now to find a good espresso machine I can afford. My current machine is OK. Got it for $40 on Facebook. Was $1500 new but it is not as manual as I want it to be so.... Almost saved up for a Gaggia. :-) By the way... You rock!
@@LanceHedrick sorry for the weird English I was using voice to text. My name is Matt! I spoke with you off of bears phone a month or two back! Thanks for helping me improve!
Hey! Long time viewer, first time commenter. I really enjoyed the video, but I think you definitely need to include the Lagom Mini with the 48mm Obsydian burrs. At just $374 it's a VERY strong competitor against the Niche. I'm actually waiting for my Lagom Mini, but from everything I've heard, the Lagom Mini is absolutely fantastic.
Lance, you rock! You've encouraged me to go learn about some of the more technical aspects of specialty coffee. You're a great teacher and have helped me seriously level up in my coffee game
Lance, you rock. I really dig the concise, but in depth nature of your videos. I was wondering what espresso setup you think meets the point of diminishing returns. I’d like to buy once and not have to consider upgrading (at least for a while lol). What is, in your opinion, the best espresso grinder and espresso machine “for the money”. I’m willing to spend more for things like speed, quiet operation, and a “seamless” user experienc. And of course tasty espresso. I also really like making milk based drink. Big milk guy lol. Thanks for you time, Lance.
Hey Alex! In my opinion, which I feel I've made pretty clear in my videos though I know I have a ton to wade through, I believe the endgame budget setup is something like a Breville dual boiler for the espresso machine and then if you are more so into milk drinks than anything else, honestly the niche grinder is incredible. On the other hand you could get the vario grinder which I have made a video on because it can do both filter coffee and espresso quite well.
Lance! You Rock!! Also, please fix your glasses so you’re not pushing them up every minute 🤣 But it doesn’t diminish that you rock and you and James Hoffman are my only coffee channels I follow. You guys are the bomb ☕️☕️☕️
Yeah. My glasses. Ugh. My 3 month old stretched them way out. Just got them! Too expensive to buy another pair. Maybe I'll get some nose wax or something to keep them up lol
Thanks for this comparison! I recommended a friend sette 270 while I was lucky to get niche due to the same reason you mentioned. Super relieved that I didn't recommend the wrong one hahaha
So, you know, you really do rock. Initially I was using an M47 for espresso, and I was able to dial in pretty much as I needed to. But as I’m sure you know it’s a lot of work. When I got my Niche, the biggest difference I noticed was how fluffy the grind was, I ended up moving to a larger basket 😳
Good morning Lance you Rock May I ask what you think about the breville smart grinder pro? I saw on on sale thinking of buying it would it be good for espresso? Thank you have a wonderful day 😉😉😉
Hey Lance, you rock! I did find this video quite entertaining, even if I never intend to get a Niche. I had the Sette 270wi, and that sucker was so loud, I woke the neighbors up. Messy, too. You compared the grinders' noise level without beans...could you comment on their loudness with beans?
@@LanceHedrick Nice! I do appreciate a super quiet grinder. Maybe consider including that in your next video, since noise is an important factor for lots of us. Cheers! -T
Sure! It's hard for me to think that because noise is such a non factor for me. Even with kiddos sleeping in the house. But, I understand that other people have their quirks and their dislikes. Lol
Love the videos. You ROCK. That said would love to see you do another video that is a little harder on the Niche. Grind and brew 5 shots with the 270 and only one with the Niche. Then see if you can differentiate between them over 5 sets. That is a lot of coffee but that is a lot of money for a grinder.
I've done plenty of these shots at home, as noted in the video. I didn't feel the need to do them on camera because if people can't believe me at my word, why would they believe a bigger blind taste is factual? Lol Hope that makes sense
Issue is I can't stand filter coffee from the niche. I have not ever gotten a cup I've enjoyed out of it. They are always a stringent and lacking any sort of balance and complexity. But, that doesn't rule it out. I would definitely definitely be willing to try them out on a video
For sure. It seems a lot of people aren't really happy with it for filter, even though James is. But again, that is one of those to each their own moments. I think the niche can give great filter coffee if what you're looking for is a more chocolate and traditional cups from most of the coffees you put in. finding acidity and clarity as almost impossible in my experience.
I legitimately didn’t know you had a RUclips channel. I was like “oh, hey… I know that guy from instagram because we know/follow a ton of the same people”
Thanks Lance your awesome 👍😉 Happy to hear that the sette holds up the way it does. I have had my eye on the Niche since it came out but the price tag is just too steep! I ended up getting the sette and I love it (maybe more so now even 😂)
I got frustrated with my Sette 270. The noise is one issue but that is not what frustrated me. I despise the adjustment on the Sette. I could spend a long time dialing in an espresso bean. Then if I move to a courser Aeropress setting, moving back to the finer espresso setting produces a completely different result. It was infuriating. I had to start from scratch again. After a few times of that I ordered the Niche.
Although Lance couldn’t taste much difference there’s a huge difference in quality. I don’t own either but two Baratza suppliers said they’d had issues with burnt-out motors. YMMV but I guess you get what you pay for.
Lance.. You rock! Your videos are so so good man. And for someone like me who wants in the future to provide the complete coffee experience these videos are game changing
Here in Switzerland it's not possible to get the Niche without importing it. With import cost and everything it usually comes up to around 600 or 700 dollars, if I remember correctly. However, the Baratza Sette 270 is still over 400 dollars here. Yes, still a good chunk cheaper but I am fairly sure there are better options at that price range, like the Eureka Mignon.
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I mean, my analyses on the cups produced were spot on. Happy to do more tasting to prove this in future videos
Hey Lance , happy holidays 🎄🎄
Glad to see your rocking!!!!🙏🏼😀💪
Let’s go get tattoos!!!
Happy holiday's Eric! I hope you're holding down the West Coast for me
The Sette 270 is AU$530 and the Niche Zero is around AU$1600. If they are very similar in what they produce there is really only one winner. Just bought the Sette 270 to replace my failed Sunbeam, a AU$200 burr grinder. Has made a huge difference to what I can produce from my 12 yo Rancilio Silva.
Very, very important consideration: The "38mm" burrs in the Sette is the dimensions of the inner burr, while the niche "61mm" is the diameter of the outer ring. The actual burr size isn't *that* different, niche is still bigger ofc.
Good call.
Good point, I was kind of chocked when he mentioned the size difference!! :)
You'd think they'd market it as the larger, number that's generally what they do! Like peak wattage for speakers.
size does matter said by my mistress!
I have had the sette for 6 months now. Yes, it is loud, it is 10 seconds of your day - get over it. For the ultra low retention, reliability, small footprint and reasonable price point I have been very happy with it. I got the base model for less than $300 US, it did not have the step-less ring and I thought I would not need it. As I get further into making espresso I can see the benefit to having that option. It is available for an extra $100 and I will buy it in the future, easy to add on. Because I prefer to single dose I did not need the features of the 270wi. I did have to use their customer service and it was as fantastic as everyone says it is (I messed up the one/off micro switch when I first cleaned the burrs, newer models don’t have that fail point.). Excellent comparison review, LH does a great job. Clear example of the law of diminishing returns, I will spend the difference on good coffee beans.
Appreciate the honest comparison, it really shows how difficult it is to taste differences at some point when the grinders are "good enough"
Absolutely. The whole point of diminishing returns. My impetus for this video was in response to the insane difficulty of obtaining a niche. I hope people see this and know if they can't get a niche, it's not the end of the world haha
@@LanceHedrick very glad to hear, also your channel has opened up all sort of possibilities...life has given me rainbows recently and I want to make Informed and smart purchases that will make sense in my mouth:)
Heck yeah! Love to hear that
Lance… 9 months later you still rocked it. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Really hope that you get a chance to do a detailed review of the DF64 similar to what you did with the Baratza Vario. Talking about alignment, modifications, and blind tasting against the Vario + (or modded Vario) would be very cool to watch. So much community discussion is currently revolving around the DF64.
Lance, you rock! I really like your videos because they complement, rather than repeat, what other people do in RUclips. You have a more down to earth approach to things, while keeping professional and educational. Keep up the excellent work!
Thank you so much Jose! That means a lot. I'm so stoked you're here to support
Lance, you rock! Thanks for this video and all the latte art ones - definitely helped to get me in the right direction. Breville Infuser and now Sette 270.
Fantastic! That is wonderful news. Thanks for taking the time to drop a comment!
Bro…Idk why I’ve been longing to subscribe. Just did! To me, you are fastly becoming the next James Hoffman. Well explained, well mannered, enthusiastic, connoisseur, and fun! Keep doing what you are doing brother! 👊🏾
Thank you so much! Means a lot. Really appreciate the support and kind words!
I never would have thought to compare these two and would have assumed it would be no comparison. Thanks for doing this, I actually own the 270wi and feel vindicated. Thanks to Clive Coffee for their advice.
Thanks, Lance! Several months ago, I bought the Sette 270 on your recommendation, and I am very happy with it -- thanks!
Fantastic! It is a great grinder. And I stand by that rec!
“Lance U Rock”
I’m very happy you made this video. I have the Sette 270 and always wondered if ‘upgrading’ to the Niche was necessary. Glad to know.
The Breville Dual Boiler with Sette 270 was actually my home workhorse team for years (until I sold my BDB in order to preorder the long-awaiting Odyssey Espresso Argos).
FWIW- I also got a 3D printed single-dose hopper with a weighted auger for my Sette, and found the quality of the grounds was improved as a result.
Thanks again, and keep up the great content.
I think I'm going to get one of those lever machines when they come out. I'm excited to mess around with it
I’ve been using the Sette 270 for as long as I remember. Happy with it. Don’t think I’ll ever go to another brand. I am getting a new born soon though so the noice might come in to play. Thanks Lance for the video. You do rock.
Thank you! And huge congrats on the impending newborn!
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Lance, you rock! I love my Sette 270. Thanks for the great comparison, you made me appreciate my grinder even more.
Wooowww.. this is the battle I’ve been waiting for. Thank you. Thank you. 🙏🙏
I hope the video did not disappoint! Thank you so much for watching and supporting
Thanks, Lance. My Niche arrived back in October after struggling to buy one for several months. I went through more espresso than I would have expected during the first week of ownership, but the Niche is doing great now. The espresso tastes really good.
They are great grinders! When considering workflow x quality x aesthetics, hard to beat
So incredibly looking for this viddy. Lance your Rock!
GREAT timing on this video! I have had the Sette 270 for over a year and a half now and have a love/hate relationship with it. I like the way it looks, it works pretty well for single dosing and make good grinds. but GOD I am sick of the noise!!! (also annoyed on how the dial tends to move while grinding). So after much debate I finally ordered my Niche Zero this week and this video re-assures me that I made the right choice!!! Thanks!!
Yes! Congratulations on getting one! They are definitely fantastic grinders and will be a huge step up in work flow and consistency from your current setup
Very helpful review! I have owned a Sette 270wi for 2.5 years. I'm on my 2nd gearbox after the first one failed exactly 1yr in. The 2nd gearbox is starting to go now too, 1.5yrs later. I make about 3-4 espressos per day and don't single dose. Mainly, I love the grind by weight functionality to the 270wi as it dramatically simplifies my workflow. Waiting to see what Baratza is going to do in terms of hopefully providing another replacement gearbox, but have been looking at alternative grinders in the meantime. The Niche is now about the same price here in the UK at 500GBP. I'm really torn between getting one or switching to a flat burr grinder!
Yep. In the UK, too. Been using the Smart Grinder Pro as opposed to the Niche, but I can't shake off the feeling that there's going to be something greater than the Niche to upgrade to at some point soon. The SGP isn't too good for espresso if I'm being honest, so the temptation to upgrade can be quite alluring. I have to remind myself that at the end of the day it's still espresso, and I've got more important fiscal priorities.
I have a Macao M4D grinder that is a 58mm flat burr. I’m trying to replace the burrs if I can find a replacement. I’m currently using a smart grinder pro too, the Macao at over double the price is much better than the smart grinder, I can’t go fine enough on the smart grinder pro, so I’m using 22 grams rather my usual 28 grams.
I like the weight option of the 270wi, but I’m wondering how it will compare to my Macao, no point spending money unless I’m getting the same or better quality.
I’m very new to the realm of nice home coffee, but I’ve found the sette fits perfectly into my tastes. I really like darker, bitterer roasts and brews and (likely because of this) have found the sette perfect for infusion brews or things like the hario switch. Plus its impossible to argue with the price to performance ratio. While I might enjoy the niche if I ever get my hands on it, I can see almost anyone getting into home espresso getting years out of a sette.
I have the Sette 270 and found that if you put beans in the hopper, it works much better: You can dial in the weight by programming the timer. Plus this makes it quieter, it grinds in half the time, and eliminates popcorning, which makes the grind better. And workflow is faster.
Absolutely! Always having beans to feed the dose is a better option, but then the beans can go stale a lot faster when in the hopper. So I think that's the impasse most people are at. Fresh coffee versus better grinding but old coffee.
I wish they made the Sette in different colors like white and maybe less plastic components. I would pay $100 bucks more for that
Lance, you rock!
Here in Aust, the Sette 270 (not the Wi) is currently on sale for AUD $539 and the Niche is on sale as well from the same online store for AUD $1789. While we could probably find them cheaper if we looked hard enough, the Niche is still 3x more expensive than the Sette.
The Sette was on my list for a new grinder to upgrade from my Breville SGP but instead went with the Urbanic 070s from Lance's Budget Grinder Showdown video from last month. The Urbanic with titanium burrs from Amazon was AUD $450 landed in Aust.
More than happy to have the option of a flat burr grinder at that price.
Absolutely! I'm so glad that you went with that grinder. It truly is a fantastic grinder. And if you take some Teflon tape and put them on the threads you can make the knob stepless. Which will open up a whole new host of different grind sizes.
@@LanceHedrick Thanks for that tip Lance, that will be my job for tomorrow.
Thanks again for your awesome videos!!
My Kono dripper arrived today in the mail and we have just tried your first recipe which we loved. Will have a go at the second recipe tomorrow and then look for some teflon tape.
;)
love it! Thanks for engaging, Steve. Talk soon
I had the Sette 270v2 for 2 years, it's really a good grinder, it produces really fluffly grind without any lumps (in no time) ! Really impressive ! its only weak point is the noise! I sold it and bought a Eureka Mignon Specialita'. I didnt noticed any improvement in flavor or body, maybe a subtle improvement in clarity ? i'm not sure. But it's definitively more quiet, and the build quality and aesthetic is way superior. Keep in mind those grinders were not designed for single dosing. Only the Niche was. Thanks Lance for the video, it's always fun to watch !
I went the same route you did. Can't really have a Sette with sleeping kiddos in the house! I love the Specialita!
Thank you for sharing your experience! And what you said sounds right. I would suspect higher clarity in the grinder you now have
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Ahah yeah, good point :D noisy but in a short amount of time because it's fast. 😅 but i prefer the Specialita too :p two times slower but really quiet !
@Lance Hedrick Mignon Single dose is coming soon :D Merry Christmas guys !
Single dose! Nice! I need to get my grimy barista fingers on one
Nice simple explanation. No "extra" montage or special effect used. Just grinder and coffee. Love it. I favor Niche Zero also but almost fed up waiting for stock to come
The wait for one of the grinders is a little ridiculous. That was actually the impetus for making this video.
@@LanceHedrick Awesome! Any recommendation from Eureka or Mahlkonig? Easier to get
I'd get the x54 and buy the steel burrs from baratza they put in their Forte and switch the burrs, personally
@@LanceHedrick amazing idea! let see if i can find it here
For sure! I think that would be an awesome grinder
I had a sette for a couple of years and upgraded it for a niche a year ago. The difference in shots wasn’t as big as I had thought it would be. But I’m sure the niche will still be grinding long after the sette is dead. Th niche has far superior build quality. And if you’re into light roasted coffee I don’t think the sette will handle the density and hardness in the long run. No problem with the niche there. I liked the sette but I have no regret upgrading to the niche.
Agreed! 100%. Thank you for this comment!
Thank you for your comment. Sadly, I can't hear you over my Sette 270.
When my Sette dies, I order a $40 part, get it in under a week, install in five minutes, and I’m up and running again. Not a big deal.
Exactly! Not a big deal. But, in the long run, for some people who have the means, the niche could be a much better option for build quality and for not having to do replacements
@@LanceHedrick
I had to repair mine. The gear box is 50 EU and It's a pain to install. Doable for someone who's handy, but certainly not for everyone. The simpler repair is the motor+gearbox combo. It's about 100 EU. A lot easier to install, but still not trivial.
Since it's bound to break down after about 1500 grinds, the Sette is not a grinder I would recommend. If I had known this, I wouldn't have gotten the sette. Now I'm stuck with a loud grinder that requires a finicky repair every three years.
Awesome comparison! Lance, you rock. My biggest takeaway is that in home setting, shot to shot consistency will never be perfect no matter what, so basically Niche is as good as it gets all things combined (grind quality, build quality, workflow etc), but you can get equally great results from a cheaper grinder. I just got my Niche - and availability seems to have greatly improved recently, it only took 2 weeks from order to delivery to the US - and while I’m very happy with it, I can definitely say that the shots I’ve been pulling with the Niche are very similar to what I had been getting from my Comandante C40 - sometimes better, sometimes worse. I expect the Niche to get more consistent over the next few months as it gets more seasoned, but still the difference in taste is never going to be several hundred dollar worth, like you said. But the looks and the workflow improvements are, to me.
Hi Sergey, for C40, did you use Red Clix for Espresso (light or dark?)? thanks.
@@Syd7088 I do! It makes a lot of difference. I drink mostly medium roasts, and sometimes light. Without Red Clix, the range between the machine choking to a "gusher" is basically 3 clicks. Red Clix makes this range twice as big - realistically you get about 3-4 clicks that produce a palatable shot. Now, arguably, 15 microns is still a bit high for espresso, and you might find yourself needing to adjust dose (within .2-.4 g for me usually) to get that final tiny adjustment.
@@sergn717 thanks very much!
When you have the opportunity please do a Eureka Mignon SD vs Niche comparison. You rock.
I will see about getting my hands on one of those as soon as possible
Enjoy the baby’s first Christmas! Thanks for all of the videos!
Thank you! We did! It was fantastic
I had the Sette 270 for about 3 years and upgraded to the Niche last year. I find the Niche a bit easier to dial-in my shots and cleanup is great. Adding the portastand and funnel from Decent makes it an even better setup as the metal cup isn't great for grinds with some static. But the big complaint I had with the Sette was that it was too darn loud (obnoxiously so in a home setting). My wife is so much happier now that she can sleep in on weekends :).
Absolutely! So you have noticed that the taste is not incredibly different, though there are certainly differences, the biggest upgrade is in the quality of build, the quietness of the grinding, and the workflow.
Have you tried adding a spritz of water to negate the static when grinding? It made a huge difference for me with static and chaff spray
Absolutely! RDT is very important foe reducing static.
@@tomfletcher7848 when and how do you apply it?
Prior to grinding. Dose beans in a dosing jar, one spritz of water OR two (and I mean two) droplets of water. Shake the jar with your hand covering the opening, then dump in grinder and go!
Lance, thanks so much for that Sette 30 upgrade tip.
Lance.... you rock
Love this kind of vid, more of these comparisons please! Lots of reviews focus too much on design, work flow etc rather than quality in the cup. And the comparison between different products is so useful. Df64 vs cheap 60mm flats vs Forte would be really cool
I need to finally just pony up and buy DF 64. I'm just so low on money. I've been blowing through my monthly budget through patreon like it's going out of style haha
Hey Lance! It would be also really interesting to carry out the similar battle between handgrinders for pourover (or other filter brewing methods), for example 1Zpresso (J or K series), or Timemore (popular C2 or their premium X model) vs Comandante. Price difference is like double, but some people say taste difference is negligible. Would be really nice to hear your opinion
Would love to see this content Michael!
Funny you ask this-I am currently working on one of these videos with 6 hand grinders that I think are at the best
Great video, thanks for the honesty!
Hey Lance, what was the roast level on those beans? I've been tempted by the Niche because I've heard it's better for light roasts than the Sette, while they might perform similarly on medium to dark. Is that true? Would love to get some comparative tasting across multiple coffees, doesn't need to be a blind test. This topic is one I've been waiting a long time for someone to do, so thanks!
The coffee was light! I almost exclusively drink lightly roasted coffees and have used the sette for years with them
I've owned the Niche for a while now and am very very pleased with all categories. Thanks Lance always for your input and opinions .
Absolutely! I am too. My goal with this video was less to say anything negative about the grind or, but to ensure people who have not been able to get their hands on one that the alternative grinders out there are very good as well. The biggest thing the niche can offer in my opinion is the workflow and quality of build.
From my experience the most obvious difference of two grinders with same type of burr (conical here) is gonna be clarity, which is the most significant influence of fines in the taste. Other than that, all the "body", "sweetness" etc is very subjective. However, flat burr can have a rather big difference in taste vs conical, as the shape of the ground particles are different when inspected closely, which will influence the total surface area given a similar ground particle size.
Absolutely! You have nailed it right on the head, Martin! Thank you for sharing this. I will definitely hit more of this in future videos when I dive more into flat burr sets, but it's nice that you have put this here for people to see.
Thank you Lance!! I have the Sette "30x9" (30 with the 270 mod) and I am very happy. Thank you for confirming the quality of the Sette grinder. I am also enjoying my BDB. A great pair.
Absolutely! Just know that you'll need to keep really good care of that grinder. And if something does happen, make sure to reach out to customer support 1st. they usually take care of issues for a while
@@LanceHedrick I have the same set up - and re: taking good care of it........... a few weeks ago i was adding water to my Gaggia CP and - while distracted by my 5yo I POURED IT INTO MY SETTE. OMG i panicked and froze. My wife was like 'wtf - clean it up!' as water flowed from every intersection of its' plastic body and out of the ground spout. I was horrified that I'd just ruined 1/2 of my daily medication process (though somewhat thrilled about the likelihood of getting a new toy). I took it apart and put it in front of a fan for 24 hr and it seems to be no worse for wear. I realize some corrosion may have been initiated - but so far so good. I'm only a year into making actual non-Bialetti espresso - so I am not yet entirely ready to move on from my entry levels.
Lance, you rock! My friend was upgrading from a Sette to a Niche Zero and offered me the Sette. Perfect to see the 2 head to head!
That is an awesome deal!
Lance you rock.
And thanks for your job, it's amazing. I love nerdiness and thoroughness in your videos, right on point.
Thank you so much Jose! Your comment means a lot.. Appreciate the support!
Lance, you rock! This is a great comparison, thanks for doing it
Thanks, Jimmy! Means a lot.
Lance - You rock!!!
I have a smart grinder pro, but I've been eyeing off the sette 270wi for awhile.
Great video! Keep em coming!!
And Merry Xmas!
I would recommend against the WI. There are so many reported issues with the Tech in it. I would go with the base version 270. And merry Christmas to you too
@@LanceHedrickyip have the 270, it’s great. Friend has a 270wi and it’s also been great, but one thing we noticed is we prefer weighing the beans pre hopper where the 270wi weighs the beans in the portafilter. Based on our workflow the 270 is better
Repairing the 270 & 270wi are both super easy though and parts are easy to obtain. Best thing about them. You rock
very good approach for an comparison... thx a lot
Lance, you friggin rock AND you’re the man
Lance You are a rockstar. We love and learn from your videos.
Lance you rock. Also, you rock. Keep on rocking in the free world.
Lance, you ROCK.
exactly the video I needed! thanks Lance!
Great video! It was super interesting to hear the comparison between the two in a blind side by side
For sure! I'm so happy you enjoyed the video
Lance... you rock! Got to meet you at the SF Coffee Festival and you really made my day!
Hey Tim! Absolutely! Thanks again for coming by and saying Hey
Lance, my friend, you rock!🤘🏼
I have the Baratza Sette 270 with both sets of burrs, espresso & drip/filter. I do mostly filter coffee and use the filter burrs. Yes, the Baratza is noisy but it doesn’t bother me. My wife doesn’t however appreciate the noise.
I also like the Baratza’s repair strategy but I’ve never had to utilize it over the 2 plus years of ownership. Also I’m a subscription service customer of Onyx in Rogers, AR. Love their coffees.
Robert
Hey Robert! I'm currently in Rogers Arkansas sitting in my garage! Thank you for taking the time to comment. I agree with you on the noise. It doesn't bother me. And yes, their repair strategy is absolutely elite
Having had both of these, Lance is spot on. The flavor for money is not significantly different. However, the work flow on the Niche is certainly superior which is a small thing that adds up with daily use. Additionally, Baratza’s great customer service not withstanding, the Niche is noticeably quieter and built much more solidly (less likely to need service).
You rock Mr Lance
thank you, Abdullah!
Rock on, Lance. Nerdy and informative, though the singing was also awesome. ☕️
Haha! Thanks sincerely. Hope you are well!
great video Lance, getting better on the video quality also! congrats.
Now in 4k! Lol thanks
I happened to have been shopping for a grinder at the time of the GBP collapse last year and was fortunate to purchase the Niche substantially less than price range mentioned in this video. and fwiw availability wasn't an issue; received it in like 5 days from order.
Nice! I am still not a fan of the cups it produces.
@@LanceHedrick since purchasing it, I came across your channel and Niche criticisms. but you are mostly critical of its filter capability, no? I don't do filter, so far have just ground for moka pot, and it's been great. but have a robot on the way, so will be trying my hand at espresso soon.
@@trendandvalue I am not impressed by the espresso it produces, for what it is supposed to produce. I have had better espresso from, say, the eureka specialita and baratza sette.
Hey Lance- You rock!
I think this was a great idea for a video and was well executed and I enjoyed it. However, I did have a few suggestions that I think could make comparisons videos like these even better. First, I think instead of just talking about the workflow, maybe we could watch your workflow with both grinders for just the first shot. That way u can talk about as well as show the real world impacts of the improvements of the Niche and show how it’s easier, faster, better distribution, sound while actually grinding, etc. This would seemingly be more useful than just mentioning those concepts. My second suggestion is with regards to the stirring. I really enjoy your video style and transparency in process and I do think it’s a good idea to show it for the first shot to mitigate questions, but showing the thorough stirring on the 2nd and 3rd shots instead of just mentioning that you repeated the procedure seemed like video time better spent on showing the shots or the workflow. Lastly, I focused on trying to guess which one was the Niche, rather than which one you preferred. For the 2nd shot, you guessed wrong because of the body but the other one was more clear and was the Niche. Which did you prefer and why? Would some prefer the body? I think focusing on what is better and worse within the shots is more useful than just seeing if a talented coffee professional can guess the grinder.
Anyways, love the content, keep up the great work, and hopefully the feedback is received in the spirit in which it was intended. Merry Christmas
Thanks for the comment. Tried to speak in terms that were not subjective in the sense that I was telling which one I preferred but more so giving terms that I thought represented the cups well so that you could draw your own conclusions. If you go back and watch the tastings, you will see that I was quite descriptive with what I was tasting. But but, your notes are definitely noted and I will do better in the future
Now that was useful. I was happy with my Sette 30 with the 270 adjustment ring. Did month of research. It is loud, yes but I am single and it does not bother anybody and its only for a few seconds anyways. I always thought the high prices of some grinders are insane and way out of my reach. The Niche is beautiful though. But you confirmed my suspicion that after you reached a good level, it does not make a huge difference and definitely not a several hundred dollars or thousand dollar difference. I am now very happy with my Sette and concentrate now to find a good espresso machine I can afford. My current machine is OK. Got it for $40 on Facebook. Was $1500 new but it is not as manual as I want it to be so.... Almost saved up for a Gaggia. :-)
By the way... You rock!
Heck yeah! Thanks for sharing! I love reading about the set ups of people here. Cheers and happy brewing!
Lance you Rock
Aaaaww yess! This is hype! Also nice demitasses
Thank you pedro! And they are from fellow.
Lance Rock I have the pleasure of briefly speaking to him on the phone because I'm an onyx customer and he's very nice and I appreciate that
Hey! Thank you so much for saying that! What is your name? I hope you are doing well!
@@LanceHedrick sorry for the weird English I was using voice to text. My name is Matt! I spoke with you off of bears phone a month or two back! Thanks for helping me improve!
! Very cool! So glad that you're improving and enjoying what you're doing
Hey! Long time viewer, first time commenter. I really enjoyed the video, but I think you definitely need to include the Lagom Mini with the 48mm Obsydian burrs. At just $374 it's a VERY strong competitor against the Niche. I'm actually waiting for my Lagom Mini, but from everything I've heard, the Lagom Mini is absolutely fantastic.
Yet! I am waiting on mine as well. Will do a video on it as soon as I have a good grasp of how it grinds.
@@LanceHedrick Awesome!!! I can't wait to watch it. Thanks for doing what you do!
Thanks so much for being a long time supporter!
Lance, you rock...Coffee God! And you're comparing my grinder (well, I have a modded Sette 30 with the 270 wheel...)...so cool!
Very good! Hope you enjoyed the video
Lance. loving your channel! Keep up the great work.
Thanks James! It means a lot. Thank you for supporting the channel
Agree with you, Amen and Amen, superbly fun and superbly done
Thank you so much for the support! Really appreciate it
Lance, you rock! You've encouraged me to go learn about some of the more technical aspects of specialty coffee. You're a great teacher and have helped me seriously level up in my coffee game
Thank you so much for sharing! I'm so happy that anything I do can have a positive effect on anyone else
Lance, you rock. I really dig the concise, but in depth nature of your videos. I was wondering what espresso setup you think meets the point of diminishing returns. I’d like to buy once and not have to consider upgrading (at least for a while lol). What is, in your opinion, the best espresso grinder and espresso machine “for the money”. I’m willing to spend more for things like speed, quiet operation, and a “seamless” user experienc. And of course tasty espresso. I also really like making milk based drink. Big milk guy lol. Thanks for you time, Lance.
Hey Alex! In my opinion, which I feel I've made pretty clear in my videos though I know I have a ton to wade through, I believe the endgame budget setup is something like a Breville dual boiler for the espresso machine and then if you are more so into milk drinks than anything else, honestly the niche grinder is incredible. On the other hand you could get the vario grinder which I have made a video on because it can do both filter coffee and espresso quite well.
I am enjoying the workflow with the 270 wi and no static for me.. perhaps florida..
Great video as always Lance. If these kinds of comparisons are something you like look into triangle tests.
I've done fair share of triangle tests in my time lol. Been working in coffee for a decade just about haha!
Thank you Lance, you rock. I’m still searching and researching budget grinders.
That is awesome! I hope you find some useful information on my channel
Lance, you absolutely rock!
Thank you so much! You rock as well
You are the man Lance. I’ll pull a 20/50 shot for you on my niche if you ever visit San Francisco!
Lovely! Funnily, I was just there not a month ago.
Great video, digging the Onyx Shirt!
haha thanks! gotta rep my company on occasion lol
Hey! My grinder! I never see content about the Sette so thanks.
Fantastic! I hope you enjoyed it
Lance! You Rock!!
Also, please fix your glasses so you’re not pushing them up every minute 🤣
But it doesn’t diminish that you rock and you and James Hoffman are my only coffee channels I follow. You guys are the bomb ☕️☕️☕️
Yeah. My glasses. Ugh. My 3 month old stretched them way out. Just got them! Too expensive to buy another pair. Maybe I'll get some nose wax or something to keep them up lol
@@LanceHedrick 😁😁 It’s all good, the videos are INCREDIBLE.
Love them ☕️☕️ Hope you’re enjoying making them 🙏🏾
Thanks for this comparison! I recommended a friend sette 270 while I was lucky to get niche due to the same reason you mentioned. Super relieved that I didn't recommend the wrong one hahaha
Haha! Not at all! You recommended a fantastic grinder that punches well above its weight
So, you know, you really do rock.
Initially I was using an M47 for espresso, and I was able to dial in pretty much as I needed to. But as I’m sure you know it’s a lot of work. When I got my Niche, the biggest difference I noticed was how fluffy the grind was, I ended up moving to a larger basket 😳
For sure. The grinds are very fluffy. I would recommend getting a coller for your portafilter. It makes preparations so much easier
Lance, you ROCK!
Coffee unrelated, I have always loved your glasses. What are they? Also, thanks for all the high quality videos.
Thank you for this review , appreciate your effort 👍🏻
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words
Good morning
Lance you Rock
May I ask what you think about the breville smart grinder pro? I saw on on sale thinking of buying it would it be good for espresso?
Thank you have a wonderful day 😉😉😉
Hey Lance, you rock!
I did find this video quite entertaining, even if I never intend to get a Niche. I had the Sette 270wi, and that sucker was so loud, I woke the neighbors up. Messy, too. You compared the grinders' noise level without beans...could you comment on their loudness with beans?
The niche is so much quieter it would blow your mind. In fact, with beans inside of it, the loudness doesn't change very much from what you heard.
@@LanceHedrick Nice! I do appreciate a super quiet grinder. Maybe consider including that in your next video, since noise is an important factor for lots of us. Cheers! -T
Sure! It's hard for me to think that because noise is such a non factor for me. Even with kiddos sleeping in the house. But, I understand that other people have their quirks and their dislikes. Lol
Lance, You Rock!
Lance you ROCK!
Love the videos. You ROCK.
That said would love to see you do another video that is a little harder on the Niche. Grind and brew 5 shots with the 270 and only one with the Niche.
Then see if you can differentiate between them over 5 sets.
That is a lot of coffee but that is a lot of money for a grinder.
I've done plenty of these shots at home, as noted in the video. I didn't feel the need to do them on camera because if people can't believe me at my word, why would they believe a bigger blind taste is factual? Lol
Hope that makes sense
Some others have commented, try the Eureka Mignon vs the Niche. I have a Eureka and love it. Great buy for the money
I will need to get my hands on one of those. I have the atom 65 at home and have not been impressed
I actually would love to see you do a similar test with Niche for filter coffee. The ability for the niche to do both was a selling point for me
Issue is I can't stand filter coffee from the niche. I have not ever gotten a cup I've enjoyed out of it. They are always a stringent and lacking any sort of balance and complexity. But, that doesn't rule it out. I would definitely definitely be willing to try them out on a video
I have already reached out to him and he is willing. The issue is he is in London and I am an Arkansas. Lol
For sure. It seems a lot of people aren't really happy with it for filter, even though James is. But again, that is one of those to each their own moments. I think the niche can give great filter coffee if what you're looking for is a more chocolate and traditional cups from most of the coffees you put in. finding acidity and clarity as almost impossible in my experience.
I legitimately didn’t know you had a RUclips channel. I was like “oh, hey… I know that guy from instagram because we know/follow a ton of the same people”
Haha! That's awesome. Thanks for coming along and commenting. Hope you enjoy some of the content
Thanks Lance your awesome 👍😉
Happy to hear that the sette holds up the way it does. I have had my eye on the Niche since it came out but the price tag is just too steep! I ended up getting the sette and I love it (maybe more so now even 😂)
Is heck yeah! You got yourself a really good grinder. You're only really missing out on nice workflowing build quality.
Damn! I've been thinking about this comparo for years! You rock!
Haha! That is awesome! I hope you enjoy the video
@@LanceHedrick I did! My little Lelit grinder is cryin' in the Espresso corner of my office now tho 'cause I want the Niche. :(
Haha! Upgraditis is real
I got frustrated with my Sette 270. The noise is one issue but that is not what frustrated me. I despise the adjustment on the Sette. I could spend a long time dialing in an espresso bean. Then if I move to a courser Aeropress setting, moving back to the finer espresso setting produces a completely different result. It was infuriating. I had to start from scratch again. After a few times of that I ordered the Niche.
Although Lance couldn’t taste much difference there’s a huge difference in quality. I don’t own either but two Baratza suppliers said they’d had issues with burnt-out motors. YMMV but I guess you get what you pay for.
Lance.. You rock! Your videos are so so good man. And for someone like me who wants in the future to provide the complete coffee experience these videos are game changing
That is so great to read. Thank you for saying it!
Lance, you DO rock! Love your vids!
Thanks for the great content and easily reachability for questions! Awesome!
For sure! Thank you for watching and supporting!
Lance, you absolutely Rock. No doubt about that.
Haha! Thank you so much Ruben
Here in Switzerland it's not possible to get the Niche without importing it. With import cost and everything it usually comes up to around 600 or 700 dollars, if I remember correctly. However, the Baratza Sette 270 is still over 400 dollars here. Yes, still a good chunk cheaper but I am fairly sure there are better options at that price range, like the Eureka Mignon.
Lance I'm learning a lot from you thank you keep it up.