This was a much longer video than expected: please enjoy half an hour of people being interested in coffee (and 70 seconds of advertising which helped pay for it all)!
Thanks for having me on the channel, it was so much fun to have coffee and chat, and you being so open to trying, tasting and talking your way through the weird world of coffee makes this a really great video to watch. (I hope you’re still ordering decaf espressos on the regular!)
This was excellent interview and taste test!! Every Cafe and Batista should do this! Instead all the disappointment trying to figure out. Should definitely dedicate an episode to this
@@datb0013 I mean, I guess we should thank him for letting us all know he was the school bully (or got bullied himself and is now being a butthole to other people to make himself feel superior). At least we can avoid him.
What a great teacher - introducing someone to their passion without being condescending, and evidently taking pride in sharing what they love. Every hobby needs people like this as ambassadors
So dam right even tho i dont think you can call it a hobby for James. ;) Hes a world winning Barista with several books realesed and a coffe company. :)
I'm glad James isn't a supervillain because that was a masterclass in planning and manipulating expectations. I saw that cheeky grin when it was all working out!
James used to do coffee competitions and used NLP to try to influence the judges by using certain words or wording. Who knows if it worked hah but funny that you mention it
Now Im jealous of anyone that has enough clout to say “Hmm I think i’ll try X” and then get introduced to it by the premier subject matter expert while getting paid for it. Well done, Tom. Been a fan of both of yours for a long time.
If James, Andre Mack (wine), Garrett Oliver (beer), and Liz Thorpe (cheese) got together, they would dominate the podcasting world. I could listen to all 4 of them talk about their fields for hours.
James: agrees with something Tom said about coffee Tom: This is great. I’m going to get a good grade in coffee, something that is both normal to want and possible to achieve
"I love the idea of taking you from 'I don't like coffee' to Esspresso." I'm right there with you, this was an absolute JOY to watch. I know a bit about coffee, so I knew what to expect, and it was just a BLAST to watch Tom learn why coffee is delightful.
Never heard of James Hoffman, but I have to say I'm super, super impressed by this introductory format. Well thought out, informative, exciting, and never overwhelming. Forget coffee knowledge, James seems to be an excellent teacher.
I'd actually be up for an Evan Edinger-Tom Scott collab! I teach cultural studies at a German university and use videos from both of you on a regular basis.
"Ahh.... I like coffee now" James is such a wonderfully humble gent, seriously, the coffee world is better with him in it. Following along with Tom warming up with coffee is such a delightful experience to witness.
I think the world in general is better with him in it. Passion with understanding--"I like this, but you might like something else" instead of "I like this so this is the one and only good right and true way".
Seeing Tom’s mind getting blown away every single sip he takes is so refreshing. James looks like he is genuinely excited about getting some who isn’t into coffee to drink coffee is so entertaining.
Taste is very subjective, but the over whelming majority still tampers with their coffee to meet the exact taste preferred. Even if it's instant coffee. General taste we advance, but that still doesn't change the fact I like my meat well done. Some tastes we have is weird, sometimes our biology rather have something for a reason. Cravings are fine as a treat.
@@MrHeroicDemon no offense, but saying you like meat well done is a clear sign you don´t really have a good taste when it comes to food. Not that it´s bad, enjoy what you want. We are all different.
@@tijmen131 No offence, but saying that well done steak isn't a valid measurement of good taste is just farcically false. Well done can be very tasty and good, the problem is that most chefs cannot cook a proper well done steak, so they belittle it, which causes people to colour their own beliefs, which in turn causes well done to get ordered less. If you can find someone that can actually cook a proper well done steak, give it a try. It might change your mind. I'm not saying that you will suddenly prefer it to your normal favourite, but it should still open your mind.
@@BattleSpew I agree that everyone has their own tastes and we should respect that. HOWEVER, there are “optimal” ways of cooking certain foods. When you cook a well done steak, you lose moisture and flavor. Plain and simple. There is a balance to be struck with steak where you make it palatable, cooked and full of moisture and flavor. You preferring well done steak is likely because you don’t like the full flavor or you don’t like the texture or thought of eating meat that’s red. But you’re eating a sub optimal cooked steak with less flavor.
@@nathanrauf6735a bowl of steaming, warm, hot diarrhea has objectively more flavor and moisture than any meat served for a meal. Does that make it better? In what world is "more flavor, more moisture" an objective indicator of something subjective like human taste perception? Every attempt to objectively quantify taste eventually falls to failure.
For those unaware, James is a former barista world champion and a coffee expert despite his humility. Literally stood up and cheered when Tom noticeably turned into a coffee lover after the espresso shot. James' lightest touch begs his interlocutors curiosity, and Tom was a great sport in his coffee adventure. Love it.
That is the thing when we are kids, the same thing with vegetables, as adults they like more of the bitter tastes but when you are young it is not a common thing for them to like.
@@wobblysauce In most cases, that is. A few of us are still highly sensitive to bitterness as adults. Do you consider sugar snap peas bitter? They’re still bitter enough to me that they’re something I tolerate rather that enjoy. Same with walnuts and hazelnuts, as well as a lot of lettuces.
Not sure about learning ., maybe more just attempting to dig through the english language to find an effective word ......... maybe this would have been better / less of a challenge in Italian ..
English* They aren’t Welsh, Irish or Scottish. They are English. That’s the equivalent of saying South American when they are Mexican, say their country not the rough continent
@@SteakBoss1 the united kingdom is a sovereign country. south america is an entire continent. absolutely no validity to that comparison 😂 if some wants to say they are from the uk, they’re from the uk bro. chill
@@SteakBoss1 To say Mexico is South American is to be wrong. It's a part of North America. As for comparing British to English, perhaps that would be more like American to Texan. Or French to Parisian. They're both, one is just a national term, the other is a more specific regional.
James' guidance and Tom's enthusiasm are absolutely brilliant in this. I really enjoy that James lets Tom find his way through this and experience it himself and also guiding it slightly to help him fully appreciate it.
I’ve always been enamored by Tom’s success and his hard work to create his channel, but the fact he did all of it without a crippling caffeine addiction is truly astonishing. Kinda makes me hate him, joking of course.
I went a very very long time with no caffeine. Then I got into some terrible crunch time in my life and leaned very heavy on caffeine. For about a month I could use caffeine to propel myself, even in my 30’s, into 90 hour weeks with almost no sleep. Now, it does not matter. I cannot function with caffeine - I quit it cold turkey and got back to “normal”-ish - but a few years later trying to get some “super powers” again as the need arises - Nothing. Just shakes and jitters and some headaches.
I love the way James did introduced Tom! Where I would've just given him the "best" coffees I had and force fed a friend, James cleverly created an experience and taught Tom to appreciate little things, take his time and savour all the tiny little nuances. So fun to watch and fascinating to see develop
I couldn't put my finger on why I found this so fascinating, but then I realized that (as someone who's getting a degree in education), Hoffman's doing a great job scaffolding and constructing the experience almost like a good lesson. Bet he'd have been a terrific teacher in an alternate reality.
It's interesting hearing someone as verbose as Tom under the impression he's not describing the taste accurately, when he's actually nailing it. Another enjoyable video!
When Tom did the survey about ideas for this new channel I sent a very detailed suggestion list about coffee as well as collaborating with James Hoffmann. Really glad to see this happened and hope they collaborate again in the future
I would totally pay for an experience like this at a roaster. Kind of a guided cupping of their coffees, based around your preferences (or not), and then picking out a coffee to take home and getting to try it in multiple brew methods - this would be so fun.
I’ve done this with friends who come over; it’s wholesome family fun!. Sometimes not even changing the brew implements or the coffee. With something like Aeropress, I will vary the grinder setting, or the water temperature, or the brew time, and come out with noticeably different tasting coffees…at which they are often so surprised!
Some roasters (especially small, local ones) actually do this, and often for free! Because they want you to try out and buy their coffees. Often they do internal tastings (for quality control or because they have something new) and maybe they'll invite you over for one. Ask them!
That would be an amazing experience. We do something similar in the guided tours to some coffee plantations in my country, but what you suggest would be a much more comprehensive and immersive experience.
I was a barista for six years, even trained junior/new baristas, but my home coffee improved SO much from watching James’ channel. His advice has helped me enjoy coffee even more. I don’t drink alcohol, but I’m a massive foodie and sometimes feel sad I can’t enjoy wine or gin tasting. But I can enjoy another foodie drink (with a different and less harmful drug!) thanks to James.
I'm already a huge coffee nerd, and have spent a thousands on my machines, but to have James Hoffman talk me through a tasting for an hour and teach me how to identify flavours within each roast would be incredible!
I’m a big coffee nerd with expensive espresso equipment, grinders…yes multiple…drip coffees, even have a keg with a nitrous line for nitro cold brew. I would spend so much money to be able to have this experience from a world class coffee expert. This was a great watch and being able to see somebody go from I don’t like coffee to espresso is proof how great James Hoffmann is. It would be great to see an addition to this where they go thru making coffee and showing how grinds, temperatures, and timing all impact flavor characteristics.
I can't believe I just watched 30 mins of two people drinking and talking about coffee...but I really enjoyed it too. I'm still flabbergasted that Tom made it through college without caffeine
Watched Tom Scott for years and just recently got into a few James Hoffmann videos. I am now thoroughly convinced, that the RUclips Algorithm somehow induced Tom to make this collab to get another 30minutes of my viewing time
@@ICTman The channels those you already subscribe to and watch regularly check out often turn up in your recommendations. I've seen it happen a few times, where someone I've never heard of before randomly turns up in my recommendations, then a while later the same person is, say, presenting a guest video on Tom's channel.
I love how- I mean, obviously- devoted James is. However, I think in watching him and his teaching to Tom without pressure- is an amazing tool. He has such a pure passion, and his ability to teach like this is purely amazing beyond words. Tom- as always- is eager to learn and to teach the same, but I like that neither of them assume it all here. James aims to hopefully discover something in Tom that Tom once thought could not be certain- and Tom listens very intensely. Both amazing examples of learners and teachers, and watching their interactions and genuine interest in their experience truly is special. Sometimes, people do rock! I've watched James for a while now, less so Tom, but I am continually enamored with the prospect that people still DO love these experiences so deeply. Plus, James's teaching method is calmly emphatic- and he knows the nuances he's teaching like he's sitting in your experiences or curiosity just the same. That's a teacher, and someone who isn't afraid to let themselves become a student all over again to experience the magic.
That seems to be the allure of Tom’s experience focused videos. Great for viewers though it seems to startle some of his hosts - sure helped him in the recent spelunking one though.
James Hoffmann is, and I don't use this expression lightly, a class act. As a fan of both Tom and James' channels, I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, and as someone who has a high sensitivity to caffeine and doesn't drink coffee often, I loved every second of this.
The world of decaf coffee is a rich and varied one as well. Most independent roasters produce a decent decaf. I own about £1000 of coffee gear and consider it money well spent to help me explore this world.
Same thoughts here! Seeing so much out of a decaf experience was inspiring too, as while I love the taste of coffee, I’m much too sensitive to caffeine and crash easily even off some teas. Now to find my taste, good decaf and maybe that espresso machine with tablet on top as I am quite the data nerd.
Came here expecting to have a laugh with/at Tom for being a coffee noob, left with the realization that after 30 minutes with James, Tom now has a greater appreciation for coffee than I've ever had.
In the three months since this came out I have since subscribed to James, gotten an Aeropress, a scale and am looking at grinders. This video has been the gateway to a whole new world of wondrous coffee, mostly through James’ videos.
I subbed to James as well because of this video, it's helped me a lot with some of the pretentious BS that other people have about coffee. I love that James is very much "find what you like" as opposed to some people (same with wine drinkers or whisky drinkers) who feel the need to impose their opinions on others.
Been there, mate. Very soon you will discover you are unhappy with your grinder and spending more on grinders just to get more uniform grinds. And I thanks James almost everyday after a good cup of coffee at home.
This is my absolute favourite crossover in a long while. As a nerdy café manager from the other side of the world (Melbourne), this was a lot of fun. Thanks to both of you!
This video amazed me in a few ways. 1. James Hoffman is a master tasting teacher. He's VERY good at what he's doing here. I'm so impressed because I've seen a few of his other videos and wasn't impressed by him at all. I'll have to revisit. 2. Knowing Tom (in the weird parasocial way I think I do) and knowing coffee, this is actually incredibly entertaining. I'm hanging on your every word and cheering you on in your journey, Tom!!! 3. It's going to be really tragic when Tom realizes how bad most coffee out there is.
tom might also watch james to be able to make his own coffee. i’m sure that he could buy beans he likes and follow video guides and make smart purchases. isn’t that what most of us are doing with coffee? (the hoffmann watchers)
As someone who also 'doesn't like coffee' due to not liking it as a child this video has made me reconsider giving it another go. Only wish I had someone like James to guide me through it!
Same here, I'd love to be able to go out with the gang for coffee, but I haven't liked it since I was a kid. TBH, just going into a coffee shop turns my stomach, I think it's the smell.
For me (who doesn't like bitter and likes sweet things very much) the solution is just to add milk and sweets to it. I know bugger-all about fancy coffee though, I just use it as programming fuel haha.
"one"? This video has 1M views 2 weeks after airing. I myself only use coffe as a stimulant to get through the afternoon at work and am now seriously considering, after viewing lots of James' videos, to get an aeropress and a Trade Coffee subscription (at least if they were shipping to Europe the US-centric fools 😆). If only 10% of viewers reconsidered there stance on coffee like I'm doing, and only 1% of those actually turn into coffee fans, then there are now 1000 more people hooked on coffee (and many more subscribed to James' channel 😂)
I don't like the taste of coffee as a drink, I can only tolerate the roast beans in a jacket of chocolate, and I recently discovered this macchiato-flavoured soy drink that I really like... Maybe I'll get there someday 😂 Baby steps.
@@tessabakker662 my viewpoint is skewed cos I love coffee, but you can get beans from coffee plants that have been bred to be more chocolatey…if you were interested these are delicious!
This is such an unexpectedly joyful video. Tom is so happy to like coffee, James is so pleased that it all went so well. What a lovely video to start the day off with.
This video was just delightful. Tom approached it with genuine curiosity and openness to trying to change an old impression. James was just so encouraging and supportive.
Coffee lovers are just like audiophiles or mechanical keyboard enthusiasts. The ruthless pursuit of self-perceived perfection and the experience of finding new details, loved the video!!
Coffee culture is so weird. I didn’t like coffee until a friend kept making me try it. Now I love it! And here I am very happy to see Tom converted to drinking coffee. Why are we all so invested in more people drinking coffee 😂
Good question, especially as it's quite a high-carbon drink. We should probably be trying to drink less of it rather than more. (although the milk is typically 2/3rds of the footprint so that's a bigger issue).
@@xxwookey if you’re talking about carbon footprint, maybe go after the multi billion corporations pumping out more than 80% of the CO2 rather than normal people who are trying to make their way in this capitalistic hellhole with their small enjoyments like coffee
@@ThyRandomGuy There is plenty of room to do both :-) (And I do). Companies have to do things differently to give us mere mortals lower carbon choices, and the most egregious ones simply have to be stopped or charged with a sequestration/disposal requirement) but we also have to change some of the things we do (not necessarily the coffee, that might indeed just be in the noise, but definitely the milk). It does add up: 3 large latte's per day for a year's workdays is about the same as a flight to Prague (250Kg CO2e).
As a barista who thrives on teaching non coffee drinkers that coffee isn't just Folgers or Starbucks, I absolutely loved this video. Coffee is like wine, done right, it can be an experience.
I've never tried it myself, but Trade Coffee does somewhat of a fitting for you, albeit at a long distance, and possibly over a longer period of time, since you have to wait for shipping times to try the coffees.
This, exactly this. I wish James (or anyone really) brought out a guide like one of those Choose-Your-Own-Advanture books, where you start with three coffees, choose your favourite and proceed to the next stage based on that choice. Now I have to check out that Trade Coffee thing David mentioned...
I reccommend it. I did a coffee tasting on vacation in Costa Rica and I got a much better idea of what I like and what the differences are in coffees. Knowing what roast and general characteristics (acid, bitterness) you like makes it much more fun to select coffee. It is nearly impossible to learn everything, though.
I had a similar story with getting to like coffee when delivering pastries to a new wave café. The only issue is, I became a snob. It is a bit harder to say to friends and family “OK, thanks but I don’t like _this kind_ of coffee” than “Thanks I do not drink coffee”.
Tom: "I like coffee now"... meniacal laugh James Hoffman: "I'll take that as a win" quietly chuckling to self James Hoffman fans (including myself): "One of us... One of us... One of us"
As a long term coffee fan this is so wholesome. I love how unpretentious James is about explaining it, and how open to having his mind changed Tom is. Why it’s so pleasing that someone who didn’t like coffee now likes it, I don’t know, but it’s nice to watch someone have the lights turned on to a new thing in their life!
It's probably because we've all met too many people in our lives that throw out blanket "I don't like that" statements. It's hard to really know without giving things a proper try and we could all use a bit of bravery in challenging our perceptions of our world.
At the cafe I work at, we call our Colombian roast the "traditional American cup of coffee," and the Sumatran is indeed a crowd favorite, so it's neat to see that reflected here. It did pain me though to see Colombia spelt as Columbia throughout the video
This was absolutely fascinating to watch; and I completely understand how Tom felt! About 5 years ago, I despised coffee, felt it was bitter and tasteless. But on a date, I ordered a cappuccino (because they were doing 2 for 1 deals) from a little corner cafe that did more than just one style of coffee. I explained to the barista that I wasn’t a massive coffee fan, and that I didn’t enjoy the bitterness. And the coffee they gave me was so smooth, flavourful and pleasant that it changed my tastes forever
Tom is so lucky for this experience. Imagine being able to have a taste-session to find your favorite type of coffee and how it's made?! with James of all people! would love that some day
In all seriousness, I’d pay to have this experience. One-on-one tasting and explanation and options, from someone very knowledgeable, would be a fantastic way to spend $75 or so.
@@UK_IN_US If you ever go on vacation in a coffee producing country and find a coffee farm: Some of them offer coffee tasting... they may not have the level of James, but proably knowledeable enough so it won't matter. I enjoyed this a lot, e.g. tasted the difference between washed, sundried or honey sun dried coffee. And it did not even cost $75. :-)
This video singlehandedly threw me into the world of coffee. Since its release, I now own a V60, a Chemex, an expresso machine, grinders (both manual and electric), and have become obsessed with trying new kinds of locally roasted specialty coffee. What have you done to me?
Most importantly, you have discovered a love of coffee, 👏👏👏 I also offer my apologies, because I'm the bore that is going to bring up that the 'pressurised-water brewed coffee bean liquor' is called espresso (and not expresso)... 🤞😬👍
Just the way James says "I'll get a kettle , and then we're going to ...." seems to ooze enthusiasm on his part. He's really enjoying seeing the reactions from Tom :).
The level of nerd joy in this video is off the charts. This is fun. James is so in his element with Tom. I think we have witnessed the forming of a lasting relationship. Do more content together please.
As a portuguese made me proud as well. Most cafes in Portugal will only have espresso and espresso based drinks for your caffeine fix. Living in the UK I've learnt to appreciate other styles now but espresso is where the heart is
When trying to find tasting notes as a beginner (whisky, coffee, whatever), start with asking yourself, “what does this remind me of?” Toms kimchi statement was exactly this. Start there with notes. As you get more experienced, you can train your mind to taste pathways more.
And once you are into one tasting world, it's a bit easier to dive into another. The notes will always be different, and your palate will still need training, but having the baseline of tasting a thing, specifically to break it down and understand it, is very helpful.
8:20 "clearly my palette has changed" From what I remember, humans evolved a natural aversion to bitterness during childhood as a protection from poisons, and that aversion is lost at some point during the transition into adulthood. It's a big part of why children are so opposed to consuming vegetables, coffee, and other more bitter foods, while adults are not.
Not all of us became significantly less sensitive to bitterness upon reaching adulthood. I still only tolerate sugar snap peas, because they’re too bitter to enjoy.
@@ragnkja 25% of the population are so-called "supertasters", which means they experience some flavours much more strongly. Supertasters are especially sensitive to bitterness. It's unknown why that is, but it's suspected to do with genetics.
@@leetri There are also a variety of medical/psychological conditions that can cause changes in how people respond to various tastes/textures of food. I'm fine with most flavors/tastes, but have issues around certain textures.
I also believe drinking coffee (even if you don't like it) will tone down your sensitivity to bitterness, you still taste it, but the negative reaction to it is reduced.
So I already really enjoyed @Jameshoffman, but now I really like him. He is so patient, passionate, engaged, happy to be there, educating Tom. This was really fun and makes me so happy to have someone like James helping grow the coffee nerdery.
James is behaving in such an adorable way I haven't seen in his videos really, since it's mostly just him in what I've seen. It's awesome to see him share coffee in this way, with someone who has 0 experience besides this 14-year-old perspective-setting experience. Just adorable 😁 It would have been rather disappointing if Tom did just decide the coffee was disgusting. This genuine, delighted change of heart is far, far preferable as a member of the audience than a quick, sardonic laugh.
La trappe Tripel, St. Bernardus Abt 12, Dubuisson Peche Mel Scaldis, Fruli. I think there's too much enthusiasm these days on IPAs, I don't enjoy hoppy beers so the arms race for bitterness means I've got to look to more classic styles to get more malty/fruity flavours. Try the 4 I've listed they aren't subtle in flavour, they're delicious. Oh and don't drink them out of a bottle, pour them into a glass and enjoy the aromas.
My husband is the same. We've been to dozens of beer tastings, disappointing all the brew masters, bes6 settled on a slightly sweeter one, Mitchell's Forrester draft, think it's made in Knysna (South Africa)
I've had a rauchbier that tasted like bacon. You might think that liquid, carbonated, alcoholic bacon is just the thing you've been looking for. No. Stop. Turn back.
This is simultaneously one of the most wholesome and most interesting things I've seen in ages. Breaking it down to individual stimuli and then comparing rather than evaluating is a genius strategy; I wonder where else it can be applied? Also, every parent watching this punched the air in triumph at 26:50 and 27:57:D
Imagine parents doing this with things like carrots and broccoli, presenting up to 7 different ways to prepare them, varying degrees of doneness, etc. By the time your kid is done trying and evaluating each one, they will have eaten a full serving, of vegetables and will either like that vegetable, prepared in at least one way, or they will hate it for years to come.
For one, I'm going to use it in the Music Appreciation class I'm teaching. I had that epiphany partway through the video. Rather than just play a song and try to deconstruct the elements after, I'm going to start the semester with at least one day where I cycle through playing short snippets of several pieces, focusing on different elements like rhythm, tempo, timbre, and form each time. I think this will be a fantastic framework.
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This was a much longer video than expected: please enjoy half an hour of people being interested in coffee (and 70 seconds of advertising which helped pay for it all)!
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ONE DAY AGO ??!
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One day ago?
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This series should be called: “Tom Scott writes off his weekends as a business expense”
"Tom Scott makes new friends and makes a living off of it"
I would give you a like, good sir, ma'm, or other, but I don't want to ruin the 666 likes.
Safe-Keeper You can give them a like now
@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 instead of "How to win friends and influence people" you've got "how to make new friends pay"
“And god bless him for making that happen.”
Thanks for having me on the channel, it was so much fun to have coffee and chat, and you being so open to trying, tasting and talking your way through the weird world of coffee makes this a really great video to watch. (I hope you’re still ordering decaf espressos on the regular!)
The crossover I didn't know I needed
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How do you like your coffee though?
This was excellent interview and taste test!!
Every Cafe and Batista should do this! Instead all the disappointment trying to figure out.
Should definitely dedicate an episode to this
I love the crossovers James 10/10!
He's just tasting coffee but it somehow feels like a gameshow.
"Is it.. more bitter?"
"It IS more bitter! Correct. Next round."
True
Which is actually quite on-brand for Tom.
"Smells like ass"
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"Correct"
@@computationaltrinitarianism
“An apt description.”
Tom Scott: Relentlessly Competitive
I’m 99% sure James is Toms alternative timeline where he liked coffee as a kid
Are you saying liking coffee is the difference between being cool and not?
@@Shinkajo how on gods green earth did you get that from their message at all. point to the exact wording that implies that
@@datb0013 I mean, I guess we should thank him for letting us all know he was the school bully (or got bullied himself and is now being a butthole to other people to make himself feel superior). At least we can avoid him.
@@datb0013 It's a joke. Relax.
@@Shinkajo if that was your idea of a joke please never post anything else to the internet.
imagine the disappointment when Tom discovers that most cafes around the world pale in comparison to a private tasting session with James Hoffmann
Tom: goes to a random coffee shop asking for a decaf espresso.
Also Tom: My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
all good, send him to Melbourne
@@iamcecilman I was gonna say send him to Australia!
@@ArmadaAsesino the place that invented the latte
They look related
Imagine if at the end James was like "Tom you pretentious twat they're all Nescafe"
ha ha! fantastic
Directed by M. Night Shyamalan
"And this one's tea"
🤣🤣🤣
That would be amazing lmao
What a great teacher - introducing someone to their passion without being condescending, and evidently taking pride in sharing what they love. Every hobby needs people like this as ambassadors
Well said! James is a fantastic teacher, and his characteristics should inform anyone who’s sharing their interests or skills.
So dam right even tho i dont think you can call it a hobby for James. ;) Hes a world winning Barista with several books realesed and a coffe company. :)
@@zirania6895 yet it can stil be a hobby
What helps is the starting point of having a complete novice and the understanding “there is time” to explain and expose them to the hobby
Keep hobbies alive!
Tom went from second-guessing himself to be very excited about telling his thoughts. So wholesome!
He did seem very full of energy by the end
That's caffeine for you.
@@nachogtz they were decaf
@@bro3797 Which still has caffeine in it, and some people are more strongly effected by it than others.
Or differently. Caffeine makes me sleepy.
I'm glad James isn't a supervillain because that was a masterclass in planning and manipulating expectations. I saw that cheeky grin when it was all working out!
James used to do coffee competitions and used NLP to try to influence the judges by using certain words or wording. Who knows if it worked hah but funny that you mention it
@@Hermeshoes thats interesting. As far as I know, with human psychology, NLP actually doesn't work. Its just sudo science.
@@Kas_Styles sudo manipulate-human
@moltenlava im cryin🤣🤣
The moment Tom says "I like coffee now" makes me smile for some reason
gave me some Ralph Wiggum vibes. "I like men now"
@@therealpanse 5:24 it’s a bit fruity
Me too!
I said "We did it boys!!! Famous youtuber who we all like, love and adore now likes the same thing that we do!!! Yaeyyyy!!". Thank you James
You would, godot, you coffee fiend.
Now Im jealous of anyone that has enough clout to say “Hmm I think i’ll try X” and then get introduced to it by the premier subject matter expert while getting paid for it. Well done, Tom. Been a fan of both of yours for a long time.
And I’m a fan of your username
@@nomorenames7323 Awaken.
Or the "I got an email" situations where those experiences come to Tom
My favorite ambiguously aged RUclipsrs
Probably between 25 and 60 years old
simultaneously 35 and 65 years old
The absolute joy on James’ face when Tom starts describing the flavors is the energy we need in the world.
Yeah...i remember feeling joy.. I think it was a tuesday
Yes! I love seeing people be enthusiastic about their special interests.
"Ah, I have taught him well, even though it's only been a few minutes since I started teaching him."
we also need people farming the crops though
can we talk about James' presentation skills? He's an excellent teacher and explains things well
I'm not really into coffee culture but I watch James' videos because of his fantastic eloquence
If one Jame is good, two James are better.
Reasons why he's a barista champion. The presentation is so important in those competitions. The winner does not necessarily make the best drinks.
If James, Andre Mack (wine), Garrett Oliver (beer), and Liz Thorpe (cheese) got together, they would dominate the podcasting world. I could listen to all 4 of them talk about their fields for hours.
@@karlkarlng I couldn't have said it better myself 😏
"Just say coffee person... youtube.... weirdo"
- James Hoffmann, winner of the 2007 World Barista Championship
And writer of a serious book on the subject.
And world famous coffee celebrity
Essentially coffee Gordon Ramsey if Gordon wasn't a huge prick @@yardy88
and owner of the best and most popular speciality coffee roaster in the UK.
I think it's funny that nearly every other barista champion doesn't have nearly as much recognition
James: agrees with something Tom said about coffee
Tom: This is great. I’m going to get a good grade in coffee, something that is both normal to want and possible to achieve
exactly what it reminded me of too
He's just like me fr
Lamooooo
That sounds like something jeremy from peep show would say in his head
So after having a panic attack in a cave, Tom's next adventure was trying out coffee. This is more on my level of adventuring.
He's really pushing the boundaries of his comfort zone.
"I love the idea of taking you from 'I don't like coffee' to Esspresso."
I'm right there with you, this was an absolute JOY to watch. I know a bit about coffee, so I knew what to expect, and it was just a BLAST to watch Tom learn why coffee is delightful.
I know nothing about coffee, but I felt that joy.
Never heard of James Hoffman, but I have to say I'm super, super impressed by this introductory format. Well thought out, informative, exciting, and never overwhelming. Forget coffee knowledge, James seems to be an excellent teacher.
Totally agree, and he’s particularly good at knowing when *not* to talk and allowing Tom to process and express what he’s experiencing.
The thing about not swaying his opinion with too much emotion to his reactions, and the whole "contextual taste" breakdown was brilliant.
James really down plays himself too much. Not only is he objectively a coffee expert, but he also is very good at presenting and teaching coffee.
@@s01itarygaming It's always good to be humble. It's a nice surprise to find that he is in fact not just a "youtube coffee weirdo"
I knew James and not Tom
James: "slurp it up as loud as you like."
Tom, ever the British gentleman: *sips completely silently every time, in the proper manner*
The irony being it's actually a faux pas not to in this situation :)
@@streaky81 Well, a faux pas simply because it's less effective.
Not a single raised pinky finger in the entire video, and you say he's the consummate British gentleman? Hah! Hah I say.
Not slurping artisanal coffee is a huge disrespect though.
@@FaradayBananacage Ahh of course!
This is the collab I’ve always wanted
It's the collab I didn't know I wanted till I saw it. Big fan of both, though (and of yours).
Me too
Whoa, I didn't see this one coming!
And the least expected collab ever. As a lover of coffee and vervet watcher of Tom Scott videos this one is perfect! I need more tom Scott collabs!
I'd actually be up for an Evan Edinger-Tom Scott collab! I teach cultural studies at a German university and use videos from both of you on a regular basis.
"Ahh.... I like coffee now"
James is such a wonderfully humble gent, seriously, the coffee world is better with him in it. Following along with Tom warming up with coffee is such a delightful experience to witness.
I think the world in general is better with him in it. Passion with understanding--"I like this, but you might like something else" instead of "I like this so this is the one and only good right and true way".
Precisely.
Seeing Tom’s mind getting blown away every single sip he takes is so refreshing. James looks like he is genuinely excited about getting some who isn’t into coffee to drink coffee is so entertaining.
Also very patient and smiling that he got Tom to enjoy a thing he works on.
two proper lads :,)
Eyo shaq ive been drinking A LOT of nut milks after watching ur video
netshaq and tom scott is the crossover i need
And here's the next one ;)
Internet Shaq liking one youtubist is amazing, but 2 in the same video is miraculous.
oi bruv
13:08
James: “Do you like it?”
Tom: [confidently] “Yes.”
Tom: *immediately has a minor existential crisis*
Wet boots also have that effect on him.
hello
@@chandlerdeslatte3148 You have the same profile pic as OP!
@@Marquis-Sade wow
@@Marquis-Sade 🤮
“Most coffee isn’t very good compared to how good coffee can be.”
Exactly right!
Taste is very subjective, but the over whelming majority still tampers with their coffee to meet the exact taste preferred. Even if it's instant coffee. General taste we advance, but that still doesn't change the fact I like my meat well done. Some tastes we have is weird, sometimes our biology rather have something for a reason. Cravings are fine as a treat.
@@MrHeroicDemon no offense, but saying you like meat well done is a clear sign you don´t really have a good taste when it comes to food. Not that it´s bad, enjoy what you want. We are all different.
@@tijmen131 No offence, but saying that well done steak isn't a valid measurement of good taste is just farcically false. Well done can be very tasty and good, the problem is that most chefs cannot cook a proper well done steak, so they belittle it, which causes people to colour their own beliefs, which in turn causes well done to get ordered less. If you can find someone that can actually cook a proper well done steak, give it a try. It might change your mind. I'm not saying that you will suddenly prefer it to your normal favourite, but it should still open your mind.
@@BattleSpew I agree that everyone has their own tastes and we should respect that. HOWEVER, there are “optimal” ways of cooking certain foods. When you cook a well done steak, you lose moisture and flavor. Plain and simple. There is a balance to be struck with steak where you make it palatable, cooked and full of moisture and flavor. You preferring well done steak is likely because you don’t like the full flavor or you don’t like the texture or thought of eating meat that’s red. But you’re eating a sub optimal cooked steak with less flavor.
@@nathanrauf6735a bowl of steaming, warm, hot diarrhea has objectively more flavor and moisture than any meat served for a meal. Does that make it better? In what world is "more flavor, more moisture" an objective indicator of something subjective like human taste perception? Every attempt to objectively quantify taste eventually falls to failure.
For those unaware, James is a former barista world champion and a coffee expert despite his humility.
Literally stood up and cheered when Tom noticeably turned into a coffee lover after the espresso shot. James' lightest touch begs his interlocutors curiosity, and Tom was a great sport in his coffee adventure. Love it.
how the heck do you become world champion barista??
@@fearmetoo-le8dw you go to to the world barista championship and you win
@@maxh6975 It's amazing that I was expecting that answer and was still caught off-guard by it
"When I was 14 or 15..."
I never really thought of Tom Scott as someone who does the whole "ageing" thing.
That is the thing when we are kids, the same thing with vegetables, as adults they like more of the bitter tastes but when you are young it is not a common thing for them to like.
@@wobblysauce
In most cases, that is. A few of us are still highly sensitive to bitterness as adults. Do you consider sugar snap peas bitter? They’re still bitter enough to me that they’re something I tolerate rather that enjoy. Same with walnuts and hazelnuts, as well as a lot of lettuces.
He's been perpetually 22 in my head for the past decade
5000 years ago, when I was a teenager...
I love Tom's confused face. It's the face of a smart person learning.
That's it, exactly! I was trying to put a label on that face, but failed. You nailed it.
true that
Spot on
It's Data-face. Tom's an android.
Not sure about learning ., maybe more just attempting to dig through the english language to find an effective word ......... maybe this would have been better / less of a challenge in Italian ..
Just spent 30 minutes watching two British men, who both look simultaneously 50 and 20, taste coffee together
Life well spent
English*
They aren’t Welsh, Irish or Scottish. They are English. That’s the equivalent of saying South American when they are Mexican, say their country not the rough continent
@@SteakBoss1 the united kingdom is a sovereign country. south america is an entire continent. absolutely no validity to that comparison 😂 if some wants to say they are from the uk, they’re from the uk bro. chill
@@SteakBoss1 fair enough, everyone saying your wrong but I can’t quite decide...
@@sammclaughlin325 for now.....
@@SteakBoss1 To say Mexico is South American is to be wrong. It's a part of North America.
As for comparing British to English, perhaps that would be more like American to Texan. Or French to Parisian. They're both, one is just a national term, the other is a more specific regional.
James' guidance and Tom's enthusiasm are absolutely brilliant in this. I really enjoy that James lets Tom find his way through this and experience it himself and also guiding it slightly to help him fully appreciate it.
I’ve always been enamored by Tom’s success and his hard work to create his channel, but the fact he did all of it without a crippling caffeine addiction is truly astonishing. Kinda makes me hate him, joking of course.
I think they are decaf
at 2:27, it shows that all 3 are decaf
@@rulisa1131 The point is Tom has a successful youtube channel without needing caffeine when making video...
@@MrNicePotato plot twist, 20 boxes of Tea
He's a brit, they are all about tea anyway.
Next video Tom Scott being a little more energetic then normal after his 27th cup of joe
Caffeine pills, here I come.
He's going to be getting so many double shot cappuchinos
"I can see through time now..."
@@thehaprust6312 backwards only though, right?
the fact that tom has done every video he's released with nearly no caffeine involved is really incredible
@Lewis imagine tom uploads daily after this session lmao
I went a very very long time with no caffeine. Then I got into some terrible crunch time in my life and leaned very heavy on caffeine.
For about a month I could use caffeine to propel myself, even in my 30’s, into 90 hour weeks with almost no sleep.
Now, it does not matter. I cannot function with caffeine - I quit it cold turkey and got back to “normal”-ish - but a few years later trying to get some “super powers” again as the need arises - Nothing. Just shakes and jitters and some headaches.
I love the way James did introduced Tom! Where I would've just given him the "best" coffees I had and force fed a friend, James cleverly created an experience and taught Tom to appreciate little things, take his time and savour all the tiny little nuances.
So fun to watch and fascinating to see develop
Tom: "I don't like coffee. Change my mind."
James: *changes his mind*
Tom: *Delighted youtuber noises*
Truly from “ i dont like coffee” to “espresso”
*_[Final Fantasy V Victory theme intensifies]_*
Tom's Coffee-Enjoyer job level increased!
Tom can now use Decaf Overdrive!
@@GmodPlusWoW Do you want a tutorial on Decaf Overdrive? [Yes/No]
@@GmodPlusWoW "I found a skill!"
Tom's "I've found a skill" at 16:30 is such wonderful joy, and it fills me with warmth.
gives me james may vibes honestly ahahahahaha
A wonderful tonic to Tom's sadness at discovering that caving is NOT his forte.
I couldn't put my finger on why I found this so fascinating, but then I realized that (as someone who's getting a degree in education), Hoffman's doing a great job scaffolding and constructing the experience almost like a good lesson. Bet he'd have been a terrific teacher in an alternate reality.
There is always something special about an enthusiastic expert sharing their love of a subject.
Interests and hobbies aren't something you have. They're something you learn, and people like Hoffman know how to guide us.
Not all teachers are in a classroom. :)
@@lunasophia9002 This. I have learned so much from James.
@@lunasophia9002 95% of them aren't
It's interesting hearing someone as verbose as Tom under the impression he's not describing the taste accurately, when he's actually nailing it. Another enjoyable video!
Every time Tom guesses a note in the taste or smell of the coffee and is told he’s right i feel like a proud parent in a weird way.
he's a precious and delightful human bean :")
"I found a skill!"
Well done! Youve formed a parasocial relationship :)
We kind of are right? I've been watching Tom since I found him trying to erase his fingerprints.
you're right, that is weird.
When Tom did the survey about ideas for this new channel I sent a very detailed suggestion list about coffee as well as collaborating with James Hoffmann.
Really glad to see this happened and hope they collaborate again in the future
If it was you, thanks for this gem.
@@michaeljones5681 I did zero of the work, give me no credit, I merely suggested it
@@SimplyIta oh no I'm not I'm just saying thanks for suggesting it.
@@michaeljones5681 My pleasure xD
I would totally pay for an experience like this at a roaster. Kind of a guided cupping of their coffees, based around your preferences (or not), and then picking out a coffee to take home and getting to try it in multiple brew methods - this would be so fun.
I’ve done this with friends who come over; it’s wholesome family fun!. Sometimes not even changing the brew implements or the coffee. With something like Aeropress, I will vary the grinder setting, or the water temperature, or the brew time, and come out with noticeably different tasting coffees…at which they are often so surprised!
Some roasters (especially small, local ones) actually do this, and often for free! Because they want you to try out and buy their coffees. Often they do internal tastings (for quality control or because they have something new) and maybe they'll invite you over for one. Ask them!
That would be an amazing experience. We do something similar in the guided tours to some coffee plantations in my country, but what you suggest would be a much more comprehensive and immersive experience.
@@spookyfm4879 Ah the classic...give them a free sample to get them hooked. Though if it's getting hooked on quality coffee, I don't mind
Yep! Light Up Coffee in Tokyo just did a cupping party!
I was a barista for six years, even trained junior/new baristas, but my home coffee improved SO much from watching James’ channel. His advice has helped me enjoy coffee even more. I don’t drink alcohol, but I’m a massive foodie and sometimes feel sad I can’t enjoy wine or gin tasting. But I can enjoy another foodie drink (with a different and less harmful drug!) thanks to James.
Well it explains itself when you know he's a world barista champion. He's a barista's barista
This just makes me jealous. Having an expert like that to take you through a thing and help you discover what you like just sounds awesome.
It seems like a winner for a charity auction.
I'm already a huge coffee nerd, and have spent a thousands on my machines, but to have James Hoffman talk me through a tasting for an hour and teach me how to identify flavours within each roast would be incredible!
I’m a big coffee nerd with expensive espresso equipment, grinders…yes multiple…drip coffees, even have a keg with a nitrous line for nitro cold brew. I would spend so much money to be able to have this experience from a world class coffee expert. This was a great watch and being able to see somebody go from I don’t like coffee to espresso is proof how great James Hoffmann is.
It would be great to see an addition to this where they go thru making coffee and showing how grinds, temperatures, and timing all impact flavor characteristics.
Tom Scott already had the best job, but now it's doubly the best job.
OMFG how jealous it made me xD
I REALLY enjoyed this video.
What is this three way intersection of some of my favorite RUclipsrs that have little to do with each other at all (except maybe nerdiness)
I can't believe I just watched 30 mins of two people drinking and talking about coffee...but I really enjoyed it too. I'm still flabbergasted that Tom made it through college without caffeine
I came here to say the exact same thing Big smile on my face the whole time. FWIW I'm a specialty coffee fanatic for over seven years now.
My worlds are colliding
Nice crossover haha
Watched Tom Scott for years and just recently got into a few James Hoffmann videos. I am now thoroughly convinced, that the RUclips Algorithm somehow induced Tom to make this collab to get another 30minutes of my viewing time
I literally started watching some Hoffmann videos about 3 hours ago. I think Tom is in my walls
@@ICTman Wouldn't we all like a personal Tom Scott in our wall to take us on silly adventures?
Me too: I have been a Tom Scott viewer for years, and I discovered James Hoffmann this summer (and then I binge watched all his videos).
@@ICTman
The channels those you already subscribe to and watch regularly check out often turn up in your recommendations. I've seen it happen a few times, where someone I've never heard of before randomly turns up in my recommendations, then a while later the same person is, say, presenting a guest video on Tom's channel.
@@ragnkja But I literally started watching him 3 hours before the video was put out. And Tom Scott's upload schedule isn't controlled by the algorithm
I love how- I mean, obviously- devoted James is. However, I think in watching him and his teaching to Tom without pressure- is an amazing tool. He has such a pure passion, and his ability to teach like this is purely amazing beyond words. Tom- as always- is eager to learn and to teach the same, but I like that neither of them assume it all here. James aims to hopefully discover something in Tom that Tom once thought could not be certain- and Tom listens very intensely. Both amazing examples of learners and teachers, and watching their interactions and genuine interest in their experience truly is special. Sometimes, people do rock!
I've watched James for a while now, less so Tom, but I am continually enamored with the prospect that people still DO love these experiences so deeply. Plus, James's teaching method is calmly emphatic- and he knows the nuances he's teaching like he's sitting in your experiences or curiosity just the same. That's a teacher, and someone who isn't afraid to let themselves become a student all over again to experience the magic.
Tom's really good at describing coffee not even just for a beginner.
That seems to be the allure of Tom’s experience focused videos. Great for viewers though it seems to startle some of his hosts - sure helped him in the recent spelunking one though.
James Hoffmann is, and I don't use this expression lightly, a class act. As a fan of both Tom and James' channels, I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, and as someone who has a high sensitivity to caffeine and doesn't drink coffee often, I loved every second of this.
James Hoffman's content was really the only content I watched in FB for so long and Im not even in it for the coffee, but for the quality
The world of decaf coffee is a rich and varied one as well. Most independent roasters produce a decent decaf. I own about £1000 of coffee gear and consider it money well spent to help me explore this world.
As a coffee enthusiast I have to say I actually enjoys his videos more for his personality and temperament than I do for the coffee info they offer!
Sensitive gang!
Same thoughts here! Seeing so much out of a decaf experience was inspiring too, as while I love the taste of coffee, I’m much too sensitive to caffeine and crash easily even off some teas.
Now to find my taste, good decaf and maybe that espresso machine with tablet on top as I am quite the data nerd.
Came here expecting to have a laugh with/at Tom for being a coffee noob, left with the realization that after 30 minutes with James, Tom now has a greater appreciation for coffee than I've ever had.
he went from scared to hilariously excited and its so wholesome
This was actually really sweet to watch. Seeing his mind blown with how good it is and him being like "I like coffee now" with a huge smile. Aw
In the three months since this came out I have since subscribed to James, gotten an Aeropress, a scale and am looking at grinders. This video has been the gateway to a whole new world of wondrous coffee, mostly through James’ videos.
FELT
I subbed to James as well because of this video, it's helped me a lot with some of the pretentious BS that other people have about coffee. I love that James is very much "find what you like" as opposed to some people (same with wine drinkers or whisky drinkers) who feel the need to impose their opinions on others.
Honestly, I bought that breville coffee maker James recommended and 300 dollars hurts... but that is some amazing coffee.
James Hoffmann was a gateway drug for many of us
Been there, mate. Very soon you will discover you are unhappy with your grinder and spending more on grinders just to get more uniform grinds. And I thanks James almost everyday after a good cup of coffee at home.
This is my absolute favourite crossover in a long while. As a nerdy café manager from the other side of the world (Melbourne), this was a lot of fun. Thanks to both of you!
where's your coffee shop?
This video amazed me in a few ways.
1. James Hoffman is a master tasting teacher. He's VERY good at what he's doing here. I'm so impressed because I've seen a few of his other videos and wasn't impressed by him at all. I'll have to revisit.
2. Knowing Tom (in the weird parasocial way I think I do) and knowing coffee, this is actually incredibly entertaining. I'm hanging on your every word and cheering you on in your journey, Tom!!!
3. It's going to be really tragic when Tom realizes how bad most coffee out there is.
tom might also watch james to be able to make his own coffee. i’m sure that he could buy beans he likes and follow video guides and make smart purchases. isn’t that what most of us are doing with coffee? (the hoffmann watchers)
As someone who also 'doesn't like coffee' due to not liking it as a child this video has made me reconsider giving it another go. Only wish I had someone like James to guide me through it!
Small coffee shops with nice barristas would probably be happy to help you
go for it :)
Same here, I'd love to be able to go out with the gang for coffee, but I haven't liked it since I was a kid. TBH, just going into a coffee shop turns my stomach, I think it's the smell.
Same!
For me (who doesn't like bitter and likes sweet things very much) the solution is just to add milk and sweets to it. I know bugger-all about fancy coffee though, I just use it as programming fuel haha.
As a coffee addict… I’m glad James managed to lure another human into the -abyss- ahem… world of coffee 😂
"one"? This video has 1M views 2 weeks after airing. I myself only use coffe as a stimulant to get through the afternoon at work and am now seriously considering, after viewing lots of James' videos, to get an aeropress and a Trade Coffee subscription (at least if they were shipping to Europe the US-centric fools 😆).
If only 10% of viewers reconsidered there stance on coffee like I'm doing, and only 1% of those actually turn into coffee fans, then there are now 1000 more people hooked on coffee (and many more subscribed to James' channel 😂)
If you stare into the coffee long enough, the coffee stares back into you.
I don't like the taste of coffee as a drink, I can only tolerate the roast beans in a jacket of chocolate, and I recently discovered this macchiato-flavoured soy drink that I really like... Maybe I'll get there someday 😂 Baby steps.
@@sourcererseven3858 good coffee is a wonderful thing, AND will get you through the day! If you can, treat yourself with good coffee if you can! 😊
@@tessabakker662 my viewpoint is skewed cos I love coffee, but you can get beans from coffee plants that have been bred to be more chocolatey…if you were interested these are delicious!
This is such an unexpectedly joyful video. Tom is so happy to like coffee, James is so pleased that it all went so well. What a lovely video to start the day off with.
30 minutes of watching a passionate gentleman teaching another gentleman about his passion so passionately. I have achieved inner peace
Watching Toms eyes light up when james tells him he's getting full points on his guesses is priceless
"I like # 3 the most."
"Surprise! # 3 is what I drained into my oil pan in the garage last night."
This video was just delightful. Tom approached it with genuine curiosity and openness to trying to change an old impression. James was just so encouraging and supportive.
Coffee lovers are just like audiophiles or mechanical keyboard enthusiasts. The ruthless pursuit of self-perceived perfection and the experience of finding new details, loved the video!!
Coffee culture is so weird. I didn’t like coffee until a friend kept making me try it. Now I love it!
And here I am very happy to see Tom converted to drinking coffee.
Why are we all so invested in more people drinking coffee 😂
Flavor and drugs in a classic social environment. Coffee is great.
Good question, especially as it's quite a high-carbon drink. We should probably be trying to drink less of it rather than more. (although the milk is typically 2/3rds of the footprint so that's a bigger issue).
@@xxwookey please focus on other bigger issues and leave me and my coffee to die alone.
@@xxwookey if you’re talking about carbon footprint, maybe go after the multi billion corporations pumping out more than 80% of the CO2 rather than normal people who are trying to make their way in this capitalistic hellhole with their small enjoyments like coffee
@@ThyRandomGuy There is plenty of room to do both :-) (And I do). Companies have to do things differently to give us mere mortals lower carbon choices, and the most egregious ones simply have to be stopped or charged with a sequestration/disposal requirement) but we also have to change some of the things we do (not necessarily the coffee, that might indeed just be in the noise, but definitely the milk). It does add up: 3 large latte's per day for a year's workdays is about the same as a flight to Prague (250Kg CO2e).
How did you get through university without coffee?! I'm impressed with young-Tom's time management skills
Piracy and tomfoolery, of course!
Young people abusing stimulants because that's necessary to finish education hahaha great joke 🌈
@@ReptilianLepton tomfoolery was invented to describe Tom
Massive snorts of cocaine.
Because coffee isn't necessary.
Tom's expression on discovering espresso is a joy to behold
As a barista who thrives on teaching non coffee drinkers that coffee isn't just Folgers or Starbucks, I absolutely loved this video. Coffee is like wine, done right, it can be an experience.
Coffee is nothing like wine
@@MegaFregel cultivation of the plant used in both is essential to flavour and so is how theyre processed. And both have snobby connoisseurs
@@mallardofmodernia8092 this applies to everything
@@MegaFregel well the guy did say coffee is nothing like wine.
@@mallardofmodernia8092 yes that’s what I said
Tom: Hopefully I don't have more than one espresso shots worth
Also Tom: *slurp slurp slurp slurp slurp*
It was all decaf tho
A coffee fitting, this would be a brilliant service that I would pay for.
I've never tried it myself, but Trade Coffee does somewhat of a fitting for you, albeit at a long distance, and possibly over a longer period of time, since you have to wait for shipping times to try the coffees.
I would be absolutely down for a coffee fitting
This, exactly this. I wish James (or anyone really) brought out a guide like one of those Choose-Your-Own-Advanture books, where you start with three coffees, choose your favourite and proceed to the next stage based on that choice.
Now I have to check out that Trade Coffee thing David mentioned...
Oh bollocks, of course Trade Coffee only ships within the USA (i.s. they only have US roasters). So much for that.
I reccommend it. I did a coffee tasting on vacation in Costa Rica and I got a much better idea of what I like and what the differences are in coffees. Knowing what roast and general characteristics (acid, bitterness) you like makes it much more fun to select coffee. It is nearly impossible to learn everything, though.
I’m only a fifth of the way through and I’ve had a Hoffmann slurp: this channel is worth it’s subscription price already
Definitely worth the annual subscription to the Tom Scott Plus streaming service.
I had a similar story with getting to like coffee when delivering pastries to a new wave café. The only issue is, I became a snob. It is a bit harder to say to friends and family “OK, thanks but I don’t like _this kind_ of coffee” than “Thanks I do not drink coffee”.
hahaha can relate
im not alone then
Same here. Damn good Coffee is just different.
I just close my eyes and drink it to be polite.
You can completely avoid that by saying “No, thank you for offering!” 🤨
Tom: "I like coffee now"... meniacal laugh
James Hoffman: "I'll take that as a win" quietly chuckling to self
James Hoffman fans (including myself): "One of us... One of us... One of us"
One of us....
One of us...
ONE OF US
one of us
One of us
"I've got a new thing I like, thank you very much!" A feeling we should strive for on a regular basis, well done Tom and James!
I find more hobbies than I have time for, and to be honest it saddens me sometimes... but hey, life's life and you can only make the best of it.
Why I try to always order new things, unless I'm feeling really ready to be comfy that day.
As a long term coffee fan this is so wholesome. I love how unpretentious James is about explaining it, and how open to having his mind changed Tom is. Why it’s so pleasing that someone who didn’t like coffee now likes it, I don’t know, but it’s nice to watch someone have the lights turned on to a new thing in their life!
It's probably because we've all met too many people in our lives that throw out blanket "I don't like that" statements. It's hard to really know without giving things a proper try and we could all use a bit of bravery in challenging our perceptions of our world.
At the cafe I work at, we call our Colombian roast the "traditional American cup of coffee," and the Sumatran is indeed a crowd favorite, so it's neat to see that reflected here. It did pain me though to see Colombia spelt as Columbia throughout the video
Love the super direct ad approach. Very very refreshing to know the exact bits which are required to be said and not.
Go back to tf2 stinky
@@hamish7722 tf2 does not like me tho :(
@@OfficialMaxBox i like you
This gem desperately needs a part 2 at some point. Maybe just an hour of two of you two talking over some coffee, that'd be lovely actually.
This was absolutely fascinating to watch; and I completely understand how Tom felt! About 5 years ago, I despised coffee, felt it was bitter and tasteless. But on a date, I ordered a cappuccino (because they were doing 2 for 1 deals) from a little corner cafe that did more than just one style of coffee. I explained to the barista that I wasn’t a massive coffee fan, and that I didn’t enjoy the bitterness.
And the coffee they gave me was so smooth, flavourful and pleasant that it changed my tastes forever
Not surprised these guys get along. They seem like brothers.
Tom is so lucky for this experience. Imagine being able to have a taste-session to find your favorite type of coffee and how it's made?! with James of all people! would love that some day
In all seriousness, I’d pay to have this experience. One-on-one tasting and explanation and options, from someone very knowledgeable, would be a fantastic way to spend $75 or so.
@@UK_IN_US would probably be a good amount more expensive than $75
@@UK_IN_US If you ever go on vacation in a coffee producing country and find a coffee farm: Some of them offer coffee tasting... they may not have the level of James, but proably knowledeable enough so it won't matter.
I enjoyed this a lot, e.g. tasted the difference between washed, sundried or honey sun dried coffee. And it did not even cost $75. :-)
@@UK_IN_US 7 months later and its stilla great idea lmfao, youre so right
@@UK_IN_USMore like $7500
This video singlehandedly threw me into the world of coffee.
Since its release, I now own a V60, a Chemex, an expresso machine, grinders (both manual and electric), and have become obsessed with trying new kinds of locally roasted specialty coffee.
What have you done to me?
Welcome to the club
luckily i have not been consumed yet but i am *inches* away
Barista is such a nice hobby, It really is about always trying new things out.
Most importantly, you have discovered a love of coffee, 👏👏👏 I also offer my apologies, because I'm the bore that is going to bring up that the 'pressurised-water brewed coffee bean liquor' is called espresso (and not expresso)...
🤞😬👍
expresso?
I just watched over half an hour of two guys drinking coffee, this is the best 30 minutes of my life
It's way more entertaining than it has any right to be
@@skussy69 It's because coffee is exciting. A good cup of coffee can be almost orgasmic. We are blessed that coffee is today the art form that it is.
Trueeee
@@jovetj uh, orgasmic?
I was kicked out of my local Cafe trying to do this.
I'm loving this arc of "Tom wants a good grade in [task] which is both normal to want and possible to achieve"
Just the way James says "I'll get a kettle , and then we're going to ...." seems to ooze enthusiasm on his part. He's really enjoying seeing the reactions from Tom :).
The level of nerd joy in this video is off the charts. This is fun. James is so in his element with Tom. I think we have witnessed the forming of a lasting relationship. Do more content together please.
The joy James is having of someone finding their flavours is really enjoyable to watch.
I'm not a coffee drinker, but watching Tom's enjoyment of the process makes me SO curious to try coffee this way as well!
As an Italian, hearing Tom saying that the espresso "feels like an experience" makes me tear up a bit
I know. A good shot or espresso is a treat.
As a portuguese made me proud as well. Most cafes in Portugal will only have espresso and espresso based drinks for your caffeine fix.
Living in the UK I've learnt to appreciate other styles now but espresso is where the heart is
it's truly the gold experience
I still don't like it, it kinda upsets me ngl
same
When trying to find tasting notes as a beginner (whisky, coffee, whatever), start with asking yourself, “what does this remind me of?” Toms kimchi statement was exactly this. Start there with notes. As you get more experienced, you can train your mind to taste pathways more.
And once you are into one tasting world, it's a bit easier to dive into another. The notes will always be different, and your palate will still need training, but having the baseline of tasting a thing, specifically to break it down and understand it, is very helpful.
I definitely blame James Hoffmann for turning me into a coffee snob.
21:34 "It's not the most interesting, it's just very friendly". Ouch, I feel personally attacked.
I was surprised by how entertaining this was. Didn't expect to watch the whole thing through.
8:20 "clearly my palette has changed"
From what I remember, humans evolved a natural aversion to bitterness during childhood as a protection from poisons, and that aversion is lost at some point during the transition into adulthood. It's a big part of why children are so opposed to consuming vegetables, coffee, and other more bitter foods, while adults are not.
Not all of us became significantly less sensitive to bitterness upon reaching adulthood. I still only tolerate sugar snap peas, because they’re too bitter to enjoy.
@@ragnkja 25% of the population are so-called "supertasters", which means they experience some flavours much more strongly. Supertasters are especially sensitive to bitterness. It's unknown why that is, but it's suspected to do with genetics.
@@leetri There are also a variety of medical/psychological conditions that can cause changes in how people respond to various tastes/textures of food. I'm fine with most flavors/tastes, but have issues around certain textures.
I also believe drinking coffee (even if you don't like it) will tone down your sensitivity to bitterness, you still taste it, but the negative reaction to it is reduced.
Tom: What's the foamy stuff on top?
James: I'm gonna give you a short answer. *proceeds to go into chemistry of roasting and history of espresso*
Trust me.....that was a short answer
And that was the short answer.
He's got a whole video on it 😅
If that's the short answer, I am absolutely interested in whatever the long answer is.
So I already really enjoyed @Jameshoffman, but now I really like him. He is so patient, passionate, engaged, happy to be there, educating Tom. This was really fun and makes me so happy to have someone like James helping grow the coffee nerdery.
It's so good watching James hold back a smile as Tom uses classical descriptors of coffee flavor on instinct. Especially right around 15:30
James is behaving in such an adorable way I haven't seen in his videos really, since it's mostly just him in what I've seen. It's awesome to see him share coffee in this way, with someone who has 0 experience besides this 14-year-old perspective-setting experience. Just adorable 😁
It would have been rather disappointing if Tom did just decide the coffee was disgusting. This genuine, delighted change of heart is far, far preferable as a member of the audience than a quick, sardonic laugh.
I need someone like this for beer. I've tasted about 100 beers and they all are terrible.
La trappe Tripel, St. Bernardus Abt 12, Dubuisson Peche Mel Scaldis, Fruli.
I think there's too much enthusiasm these days on IPAs, I don't enjoy hoppy beers so the arms race for bitterness means I've got to look to more classic styles to get more malty/fruity flavours. Try the 4 I've listed they aren't subtle in flavour, they're delicious. Oh and don't drink them out of a bottle, pour them into a glass and enjoy the aromas.
My husband is the same. We've been to dozens of beer tastings, disappointing all the brew masters, bes6 settled on a slightly sweeter one, Mitchell's Forrester draft, think it's made in Knysna (South Africa)
@@CandyGirl44 ill try all of these, thanks
try the french beer, blanc.
really good one
I've had a rauchbier that tasted like bacon. You might think that liquid, carbonated, alcoholic bacon is just the thing you've been looking for. No. Stop. Turn back.
This is simultaneously one of the most wholesome and most interesting things I've seen in ages. Breaking it down to individual stimuli and then comparing rather than evaluating is a genius strategy; I wonder where else it can be applied? Also, every parent watching this punched the air in triumph at 26:50 and 27:57:D
Imagine parents doing this with things like carrots and broccoli, presenting up to 7 different ways to prepare them, varying degrees of doneness, etc. By the time your kid is done trying and evaluating each one, they will have eaten a full serving, of vegetables and will either like that vegetable, prepared in at least one way, or they will hate it for years to come.
For one, I'm going to use it in the Music Appreciation class I'm teaching. I had that epiphany partway through the video. Rather than just play a song and try to deconstruct the elements after, I'm going to start the semester with at least one day where I cycle through playing short snippets of several pieces, focusing on different elements like rhythm, tempo, timbre, and form each time. I think this will be a fantastic framework.
@@matthewsherrill3021 Please let us know how your change in teaching method goes!
The "cafe background noise" that was clearly added in post is such a nice little touch