Baratza Sette Review | 30, 270 & 270wi
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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The Baratza Sette and it's different models the Sette 30, Sette 270, and Sette 270wi are undoubtedly a grinder you will stumble across when searching for an affordable burr grinder for coffee and espresso. The question is, how does it stack up in today's espresso grinder market, and is it still looking into? In this review, we take a deep dive in the Barazta Sette lineup, and try to answer exactly that!
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Intro - 0:00
Design - 1:03
Build Quality - 1:49
User Experience - 2:36
Grinding Performance - 4:06
Which One to Get - 5:40
Conclusion - 9:58
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This is definitely the best presented overview of the sette series of grinders and well articulated opinions on each respective grinder.
Thanks Adi!
I see the noise of the grinder as a bonus in my house. When you hear the Sette, you know it's coffee time! In the mornings, it tells people it's time to get up; at dinner parties, it tells people their coffees are being served soon. FYI, the S30 is stepped, the S270 & Wi are stepless. Yes, there are markings on the micro ring, but they don't 'click' from one to the next. You can easily grind on e.g. setting 7, D & 1/4. Good review and love your videos.
Absolutely, even it tells people in neighbor it's time to get up in the morning, and it's time not to go to bed yet.
I love my 270wi. I spent $40 on the 500g acia calibration weight. I'm impressed on weighing accuracy, usually +/- .1 gram. I don't find the grind volume particularly loud or annoying, considering they last for only ~5 seconds a grind. It turns out Etzinger makes a metal version of this grinder, etzMax... for a whopping $3K... makes me more ok with the plastiky build of the Sette. I only have 1 shim installed, with my grinds in the mid-#6 setting. I really find no appeal in single-shot grinders, so the 270wi is perfect for me.
I had this grinder for a short period of time. The first sec I saw it I couldn’t resist the look and the operating concepts. HOWEVER, this finder is fast and furious….it was SO load I couldn’t use it in the am…. Workaround was to grind the night before….but that was kinda missing the point. I had to ship it back and got a Eureka minion instead…. Takes longer time to grind but so Quiet.
One this time mention as a BIG advantage of the 7 is Baratza rock solid customer care… this guys are unbelievable and will walk above and beyond to make customer happy
Thank you for the video. I paired the Sette 30 with the Breville Duo Temp Pro and get perfect espresso for me. I am sure others would be more finicky, but I can choke the Duo Temp Pro if I grind at near 8, so a setting of 10 gets me a great shot every time. I use a bottomless portafilter with an IMS precision 18-22g basket and put 18 grams in for a wonderful shot. As for noise, meh, I picked up the Sette 30 for $200 new, I'll deal with a little noise, it is a GREAT grinder. I will get the 270 adjustment head when I need it and pick up the other burr set and then have the best of both worlds, a grinder that can do the best espresso grinds as well as a great all around grinder with a simple 30 second head change.
I am always enjoying your presentation, it is so clear and down to the points. Never seen one so clear like this before.
Fantastic, in depth review of a great lineup of grinders. Well done.
I looove the 270wi,can honestly say I have never encountered a weighing issue,perfect evertime,loud?? Absolutely.
I own the 270wi (shipped to me in error as I ordered the 270) and have no problem with plastic casing. Looks great and grinds well. Thinking about installing a shim as mine is set at 2, so not much room to move. No one else is up when I'm grinding but it is loud. I found it best to grind into a container because there was a lot of spillage when grinding directly into the portafilter and this also gives me a repeatable dose (no cantilevering of the portafilter). I get no clumping and a nice grind.
cant believe i missed this one. i love my sette 270wi its very forgiving when dialing in and i love not having to weigh out all the time... just makes things simple and when everything is dialed in its easy for others to even make a shot of espresso without needing to wdt. but dang its loud my wife wants another grinder just because of the volume
by the way i use a funnel that way you dont have to take the portafilter out and back in makes for a much less finicky experience
This is a great comparison of the Baratza Sette grinders. I was on the fence about which espresso grinder to get, the 270 or 270wi and this video helped me with my decision. Excellent work
I got a Sette 30 recently and I absolutely love it.
Enjoyable, fun and informative, nicely done, your coffee studio looks superb
Thank you for the unbiased review and pointing out the sette 30's adjustability issues. Also the adjustment sleeve in the Sette 30 is plastic instead of metal, which can affect grind consistency.
I am perfectly happy with my Sette 30. I have changed the adjustment ring which gives me the features of the 270. I can weigh my own coffee and don't need a build in scale or timer. I am single dosing only (I switch coffee bens often) and weigh coffee in and coffee out. Noisy is true but I am single and it only takes a few seconds to grind a dose. It would wake up a partner or a roommate though (probably).
Top notch review 👏 thank you 😄
I got a Sette 30 paired with a Gaggia Classic Pro and have no problem dialing in shots. I was going to purchase the micro adjust ring but have yet needed to. If I get ""stuck" between 2 settings I adjust my dose by one gram.
Thorough presentation, great job!
Great video I was torn between the 270 and the Eureka Mignon Facile, liked the adjustments on the 270 but went with the Eureka only because it is quieter and I use it for espresso only, have another grinder for other brews :)
Good video. I was recommending these Sette grinders to a friend as they were in their price range and have a good reputation but I've never used them myself. Good to know what the differences are which you explained well.
Definitely a great review , i just made up my mind which one to buy . Thank you
Very nice review. Subscribed!
Thank you for your honest opinion about 270wi ! Loud noise and your info about scale help me to make decision buy this or not! No one point those small but very important facts about 270wi! Thank you again
One error is that the 270 and Wi actually are stepless since the micro ring doesn't lock.
Wow, I realized that your channel is sooo helpful for english learning for foreigners!! Also great for learning coffee:)
I korean(South). Thank you
Very cool!
Thanks for watching :)
7:48 that tip is amazing. I'll be modding the 30 and just pre-weighing my beans. THANK YOU!
I live alone, so the noise of the grinder isn't an issue. I'm surprised you have a cabinet clearance problem. Seventeen inches is more than enough clearance for my 270.
I like the rubber mat that can be used to discard stray grinds.
Love the details of this video 🎉
I do add an item that helps 270wi to weight grind result very accurate. It is a dosing cup. Use a dosing cup that shape narrow at its bottom and wider at its top. It fits perfectly on sette 270wi portafilter holder. This way make my work flow very clean, smooth and fast where no weight scale on my counter. Just press the weight program and grind setting I programmed, the result is super quick and easy switching from espresso to pour over and cold brew. Cheer.
Add a little more. Thank you for make this video. This is the kind of Sette review I am waiting for long.
I am so glad you told this , since I aleady have such kind of a dosing cup - that shape. I was thinking how that would work with that grinder . I am in the process of searching for one.
I use provided plastic container and pour into portafilter after. Less messy for me as the holder cannot be adjusted lower. When grinding 18g on 54mm portafilter it's way too close.
I just purchased the 270 and cannot wait for it to arrive.
Thank you for the review, I have the 270 which was a game changer upgrade from the Breville Smart Grinder. Now pairing this grinder with the Breville Dual Boiler based on your previous video where you recommended this grinder. I couldn't be any happier now. I didn't realize I needed to add the shim, I will do that today BIG THANKS.
What do you think Breville with Baratza since they acquired them? Come up with a new barista pro machine with a better grinder and flow control all in one machine?
If you're close to the minimum grind setting the shim will definitely be a nice change! Should move 5 macro steps or so
I think it would be awesome if Breville started integrating this quality of grind directly into its machines! I dont see them making a flow control machine any time soon, purely due to the market segment they're trying to serve
Excellent video, well done sir.
I did not read all the comments so this might be repetitive, but grinding 18gr. of coffee beans for espresso on a Baratza Sette 270wi will not take longer than 5-6 seconds and for sure not 11... (except if you think, that single dosing means that you put each single bean in the grinder one after the other) :-) This grinder is not built for eternity but with any grinder, you will have to change the burrs sooner or later. I had do change the gearbox of my Sette 270wi after three years of daily use. In this time I might approximately have ground around 60 to 70 kilos of coffee, which seems quite little in comparison to other grinders, but I guess this might be a normal szenario for home-users. Changing the gearbox is simple, cheap and afterwards you also have a brandnew outer bur in your grinder because this is one part. In my opinion it is for sure one of the cleanest grinders. If you do not use superdark roasts, there will be hardly any static at all and everything you grind will go straight into the portafilter and not next to it. The distribution is top and the fluffiness amazing. If you just tap the portafilter on a rubber mat you do not even need a distributor but just a tamper to get extractions from a bottomless portafilter with zero channelling. I can not think of a weight based grinding solution with a better price and workflow. Yes, longevity is a problem, but if you are not afraid of repairing your grinder yourself, Baratza has all the parts and delivers very fast...
I do love my 270wi but if you don’t want to store beans in the hopper the scale it is useless as it says in the manual. The scale needs at least two doses in the hopper to work.
The one star amazone reviews on the 270 are quite harsh, I heard that Baratzza has some quality issues with the internals when these first came out….have you heard this? Any word if quality has improved?
Very good review, thanks.
If the 270wi is "nice" but not your choice, what other grinder would you recommend?
Is there a model which would be accurate, fast with less noise that you would be happy with for up tp ~$1000 - $1500?
The Mahlkonig x54 we just reviewed was a stellar home grinder. The Niche Zero is also a go-to recommendation in this price range (for a good reason)
I got the Sette 270 and I put the portafilter fork towards side, not using them, portafilter at the bottom to catch the grounds, with less messy.
Interesting!
You're putting the portafilter all the way down on the base?
@@LifestyleLab_ Yes, the way Sette grinding is more like gravity beam, the more close to the shoe is more likely get messy, many of Sette users do the same way as I do.
Very cool! I'm going to try that :)
I’m torn between the Eureka Silenzio and the 270. I usually just do espresso, but do occasional do pour over or Areopress. Im looking to upgrade from a super automatic and I have a cheap $80 Bodum grinder for those other occasional methods. But figured if i will be purchasing a nice grinder for espresso, would it be wise to ditch the cheap Bodum and have one for all for improvement in all brewing methods? I’m looking to brew with either a Bambino (with upgraded non pressurized) or Solis Perfetta.
If you prefer dark rich tasting espresso, the conical Sette 270 might be more up your ally. If you prefer clarity and a lighter mouthfeel, the Eureka may suit better. In terms of built quality, the Eureka will have a slight leg up
Good job. Would you say that the Sette 30/270 is a step up from the Rancilio rocky?
Unfortunately I don't have any experience with the Rocky as of right now
I really really love the 270 Wi from the perspective of the uniformity and fluffy grind result. However, the micro ring sometimes move toward coarser setting by itself while grinding due to the vibration. It also grinds very fast with a very fluffy result so it would over fill the portafilter even when I use the proper dose, I have to grind halfway, knock the portafilter, and then continue grinding to prevent spilling. One more thing, the rubber catch bin is way too small, my tabletop is now messier compared to when I still use the Breville Smart Grinder.
my exact same experience.
Great info. Professional broadcaster quality delivery. I think I will save some money and buy the 270. Cheers !
Enjoy!
Top quality review to go with top quality production again! I'm considering upgrading from Breville SGP for both espresso and chemex. Would you recommend 270 ($550 in Aus) or df64 ($850)?
Quite different grinders.
Sette: Conical, hopper dosing, good to use right out of the box
DF64: Flat burrs, single dosing, might need some modifications to get the best out of it.
If the workflow differences don't make the decision for you, I'd probably go for the DF64 just purely from a build quality perspective. With that being said, Baratza is known to have fantastic customer support. The DF64 support will be practically non existent due to the nature of that product
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for your insight and great point about customer support!
While it’s loud, my barista express is already loud when grind/brew. So this is of no issue for me in my opinion. I am more worry if my portafilter would fit
I love my espresso and have been making it at home for over thirty years but I’ll admit I’m not ‘finicky’. I don’t measure, I don’t have super high end equipment...I just try to be consistent. Recently, I was gifted a low batch home coffee roaster and it makes a world of difference having repeatable fresh coffee. I’m surprised you haven’t gone down that path with any reviews or thoughts.
Very nice!
Which home roaster are you using?
@@LifestyleLab_ it’s a very basic ‘Fresh Roast SR540’. With some experimentation after watching a few RUclipsrs, I’ve settled on a repeatable ‘recipe’ that I like from Costa Rica green beans that I buy from Fire Roasted Coffee Co. London, Ontario.
Sounds amazing, thanks for sharing! 🇨🇦
I've been using the wi for almost 2 years and the only complaint is the noise 😑
Is the 270Wi ok for commercial use? I’m opening a small, low foot traffic coffee shop, but I still need to make sure the grinder is commercial grade for health inspection.
No, these are not rated for commercial use.
Oh man, when you said it's LOUD that hurt. Any recommendations for espresso grinders in the same price range ? To go along with my BDB.
Depending on where you live, the DF64 can fall into a similar price range to the 270 or 270wi. Or a lower end Eureka Mignon
Which one would you recommend for me to make one or four cups, and is it true that the weight in Bratza sette Wi is not accurate, and it is better without the scale?
The weight is very accurate and repeatable once properly calibrated. It is just my opinion that the potential added failure point is not worth the extra money
270i is my pick out of this range as best bang for buck
I need espresso grinder with automatic dosage for 1 shot. Which version should I buy. I dont wanna use weigh scale every time. tnx
The 270wi will do this for you automatically right out of the box. The other versions use timed dosing, so you will need to figure out how long gives you the dose you want, and then it will repeat every time after that with one button press
Im new to the channel and started watching ur video, and very much enjoy it. Since im new i was wondering what has been your daily driver for espresso machine, or a machine you recommend for someone getting into it but want to get the most out of the money put into it?
If you'd like separates, I would look into the Gaggia Classic Pro or Rancilio Silvia paired with a nice grinder
@@LifestyleLab_ Are any of these 2 ur daily driver?
No, this is:
ruclips.net/video/lludeBFacQ8/видео.html
With these upgrades:
ruclips.net/video/Vipd_oYGfGw/видео.html
Just got mine do you recommend adding the shims for espresso? And at what gear size?
I had to yes, but just experiment with what is needed for your coffee and machine to get dialed in :)
Is sette 30 suitable when used with a home espresso machine such as gaggia classic pro ?
It will still be slightly limiting due to the large steps in between settings, but it is usable
Is not Sette 30 distributted with different Burr set?
Is the sette 30 fine enough for manual espresso maker such as flair or rok?
Yes, it will be able to grind fine enough, might just require you to install 1 or 2 of the included shims like I did
setta 270wi or rancilio rocky..?
Didn’t Sage/Breville acquire Baratza?
I would love to upgrade to the 270, but I hear they only last 2 years, and then the plastic gears wear out.
Anyone owns one for a long time can give feedback?? Or anyone knows if they improved the gears?
There was an initial issue with the gearboxes wearing out quickly. It was redesigned several years ago to rectify the problem.
@@marksmith2913 thanks
Is this still the grinder to go with in 2024 ? I can find a refurbished on eBay for about 350-400.
Depends which one!
I just reviewed the Eureka Libra which I would recommend over the 270wi
What is some of the options for weight dosing grinders?
The Sette 270wi is really the only one that exists right now for home use.
Most grinders run on a time based system. Dial in your beans, then time how long it takes to grind your desired dose at that grind setting, then set and forget it
How's the volume compared to a BrevilleBE Grinder?
About the same, maybe slightly louder
Cam quality of the vids gone up 😊
Fantastic content.
Taste wise only.. Sette v Niche - how do they compare since both conical.
The Niche was my main comparison point for this review. The Sette was overall slightly lighter in flavour / body than the Niche, but was still very enjoyable
@@LifestyleLab_ I’ve really struggled with shot spurting (and quality) in spite of working hard for months on various parts of my routine like resting my beans, wdt, weigh in and out, extraction times, tamp consistency (level and pressure), pre-infusion, etc…. Trying to figure out if it’s limitations with the 270 or my bambino plus. In your comparison with the Niche, did you ever find that grind quality/consistency was remarkably better with that grinder?
I would chalk your consistency struggles up to the Bambino and its 54mm basket. Tougher to get consistent results regardless of grinder. The Sette doesn't sound like the weak point in your setup
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks so much! LOVE your work and watching the profession of your channel and content. Keep up the great work!!!!!!
Does a Niche grinder produce better results than a Sette 270?
It will somewhat depend on your taste preferences, but overall yes.
Niche has less clumping and slightly better grind uniformity. Flavors were slightly richer on the Niche, and slightly lighter on the Sette
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks! I have owned Sette 270 for a year. It’s been great; I’m just looking for better uniformity to deliver even better espresso.
Curious on where I can get a good bottomless portafilter
Depends on what machine you have obviously, but Pesado makes some BEAUTIFUL stuff!
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you :D
What about static? or retention?
Spoke about retention, static was very minimal. Good performance in both
grinding loudness isn't just about how it impacts company, i think its also just a personal preference! personally I have a little sensitive hearing so a very loud grinder would impact me more during my calm brew ritual. i have the Eureka Mignon Manuale/Notte and its not bad but a single dosing grinder like DF64 i imagine would be even quiter.
The burr assembly is not metal. I replaced the planetary gears after it wore out. these have a life span of 3 years. but serviceable. and the micro adjustment is actually step less. this is a step less grinder
I brew espresso. Without installing the shim, can't the Baratza settings at the finest maybe 1 or even 3 sufficient to grind coffee that suits espresso? Have you tried installing just a single shim? You mentioned puting both shim.
2 shims was the minimum needed on my machine to allow for my dialed in espresso to be above the absolute 0 setting. Don’t worry, the install process is very easy!
This video is a guide on how product reviews should be made.
I’m flattered, thank you 🙏
not hard to justify for me as the convenience and accuracy is superb with my 270wi..
My consistency was superb! Accuracy was a different story
Thumbs up. … I’m losing hope for electric grinders though….thinking I should just get a hand grinder, I really want to be able to grind for espresso and pour over….please…help. 😭
This is a great option for you then, don't lose hope!
You can get some good bang for your buck with hand grinders, but if you plan to grind for espresso you're in for a heck of a workout! Not to mention you'd still need to shell out a reasonable amount of cash to get one that has small enough grind steps and high enough grind uniformity.
I sold my 270 last month. It produce great espresso grinds, but lack of consistency. So yeah…
What kind of consistency issues were you seeing? Not something I can say I experienced
@@LifestyleLab_ grind size variation from each shots. If you do more than 3 shots in a row, you will find that the more you grind the coarser it get.
I do 3 layer of Distribution before the tamping, so i’m sure about my distributions.
This get even worse if you do single dosing.
Baratza Sette 30 paling tepat dari harga dan kualitas
Build quality I think is most appropriate of Sette 30 price, grind quality matches the Sette 270 price. In my opinion :)
Love the video! The noise can definitely be a little much in the morning. However just want to comment that I have Sette 270wi too, I don’t seem to have any of the finicky issues you mentioned. Just put the portafilter on and consistently getting +/- 0.1 to 0.2 gram deviation. No fuss.
I understand the point of potentially getting inconsistent result from using different portafilters. However, in practice, majority of the people will only have one portafilter rather than multiple ones like reviewers do…..so I don’t know how relevant that concern will or should be.
Also, Sette 30 has even more plastic bits comparing to the 270 or 270 wi as well, that would be another small difference aside from the micro adjustments.
I have a 270 wi .. but the nosie is terrible,
On my second gearbox now, the construction of the gearbox is very poor, basically all nylon gears which wear badly.
The only plus side is the quality of the coffee,
And the accurate scales.....
I don’t think the Niche $1000 grinder is a good comparison for noise. The 270 non-I is $400.
People compare EVERYTHING to the Niche. It’s just kind of a good baseline in many ways that people cross shop regardless of price.
The Sette is louder than basically everything. Even the $195 Fellow Opus
@@LifestyleLab_ It just felt that given my current setup like comparing a Genesis to a Bentley. I have a Breville Infuser/Smart Grinder combo I bought to get my parents off of drip. It worked and they love the quality bump, but ease of use is a huge factor as well. My mum just wants her coffee in the morning and does not want to fuss with settings, weight, or timers. The Smart Grinder is starting to show its age with more retention and clumping. I think the infamous internal plastic paddle wheel to help push grounds down the chute is wearing down.
I was looking at the 270 as a higher quality and more reliable grinder with the same ease of use. They only use the same Fara coffee beans. I love the Niche, but $900+ is too much when I only paid $450 for the Infuser. I would need that Appartamento first to be able to appreciate it.
Do you have any other recommendations in the $400 range that the 270?
Lots of good stuff coming out
- Baratza Encore ESP
- Fellow OPUS
- Varia VS3
- DF64
- Lagom Mini
If anyone is looking at getting one - these are probably the best grinders for the price initially. But what you won't find in most reviews is the longevity is an issue. The plastic interior parts fail very quickly. Most seemingly need repair within 14 months or so.
The gearbox was redesigned several years ago and rectified this issue.
I have the wi.
I regret buying it.
The portafilter slips mid grind often.
The design of the holder means you cant put a funnel on the porta, and it makes a huge overspill mess, meaning I have to sit the whole thing in a tray. So much for the small footprint.
And I thought I'd get used to the loudness, but no, it is outrageously loud.
*** DON'T BUY - POOR BUILD ***
These machines have durability issues I later found the motors and powerboats burn out because these machines aren't direct drive. Don't buy them. They don't spend money on internal components they spend money on marketing. I was told this by a repair person! not a lifestyle blogger.
Move your hands or your mouth.. not both.. after about a minute.. the voice ... not as annoying as a pin in the eye but close.
Thanks Waya, very kind of you
Very useful information presented here, as usual. Thank you.
@Waya Hedia: No need to be a bully.
Waya Hedia...you have a million RUclips choices to watch something else...go for it.
Waya, can you enlighten as to what inspires you to wake up and be such a miserable person?