I got a VR headset a couple of weeks ago and it feels like it is the first time the promise of 'you will feel like you're inside the game!' is kept. It is amazing how you start noticing that what seemed flat is now very noticeably curved, and lines are so much easier to find. When playing online I was like 'I'm getting very lucky avoiding crashes and opponents lately' but after some thought, it's the stereoscopic image that makes it easier. It's like you're reacting instead of interpreting and then reacting. I was able to decrease tenths in the first half hour, and races seem MUCH shorter. 20 minutes feel like nothing now.
One thing I really like about playing in VR and I've only experienced it with Assetto Corsa & Assetto Corsa Competizione is being able to walk out the car and see a full version of a car. That's pretty amazing.
I agree with you. Nothing beats 3D (ie. stereo) vision. I'm using 3x 27" 1440p monitors with Nvidia 3D Vision and it's insane. I've seen and played on many types of monitors such as ultrawide, 4K, HDR, OLED, 240 Hz, etc. but if the view isn't 3D/stereo then all those other specs & features don't matter because you're still looking at a 2D "piece of paper". I'd do almost anything to be able to have triple 32" 3D monitors but sadly they don't exist. I'll eventually move over to VR headsets; I'm just waiting for the tech to improve so I can still see my real-life cockpit around me.
@@michaelhuyer1479 Yup. Even more like VR when combined with head-tracking like TrackIR. I've finally moved from my triple 1440p 3D Vision setup thanks to Pimax (all other brands have atrocious h.FOV).
I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets bad eye strain within 30 mins from the quest 2. I've also used the vive, reverb g2, and vive pro 2, and none of them strain my eyes at all.
I play AMS2 in VR and everytime I play I am shocked by the immersion. You definately need a high end GPU and running at 90hz is a must but once you've ticked those boxes there's no looking back...and it's only going to get better
@@WilsonianGarveyite your CPU is very good, you may have to dial your in game VR settings down a little for the 6700xt to get 90hz to run well but you should be all good 👍🏾
@@Birawster in sim racing the number one thing for immersion is a smooth race with no stuttering, if your running at 60hz and the track is busy, especially at the start of the race your frames will dip and its more noticeable. When your running at 90hz a dip in frames can be hardly noticeable at all depending on the sim you're playing...
I have both the Pimax 8KX and a triple-screen setup with TrackIR. The final verdict for ‘me’ is that I can’t do without either one, so I’m keeping them BOTH! I predominately run Flight Simulator and DCS World. Many of the aircraft in those sims are “study grade” level aircraft and can be quite challenging and time consuming to learn. Constantly bouncing in-and-out of VR while trying to learn an aircraft is a real pain, and I’ve found the most expedient way to learn them, is to run the sim on the 3-monitor setup while having the aircraft manual open on a nearby laptop! Also… If you’re doing anything competitive in DCS World (dogfighting) you’ll need the higher resolution and performance the 3-monitor setup affords or your opponent is likely gonna SMOKE ya every time! (Lose sight, lose the fight!) I love my VR headset for the immersion and fun factor it provides - but I love the 3-monitor setup for the utility/convenience it affords and can’t imagine being without it. I should prolly mention that I’m a Web developer, and being able to spread work out across those three monitors is absolutely the sh*ts! So there’s that too… ;-)
In your case seems like it's nice to have both! That's why I mentioned I like flight sim more in the triples really. Especially cause there is so much looking far into the distance. Appreciate your input! For me VR for driving Triples for flying :p haven't tried DCS since I am more of a sim racer. Glad you found fun in both !
I have 2 x LG 65” C1 OLEDs in prep for triple 65 but after buying the Pimax, I’ve said F it. Like Derek the thought of having to race on a monitor is literally a nightmare.
You can open virtual monitors on your VR screen while in game. You can pin those screens relative to you or somewhere in the virtual environment. Streamers often pin a large chat screen to their forearm in game for example but you can pin screen anywhere in VR. Some people pin one to the ground as a guide. I'd imagine with pimax 8k rez you'd get even better results and be able to do smaller text relative to lower rez headsets. I agree that triple monitor desktop/app space is great but I'm not running my side screens for games (LG 48CX oled in the middle for media/gaming).
@@elvnmagi9048 That’s interesting you bring that up. I own OVR Toolkit via Steam, and was considering dragging in some extra HUD info that I keep hidden in my Periphery, with info I can check on straights and such in iRacing. Like you said about Streamers makes sense too as I used that mod to pin a FPS meter to my left wrist which you’d only actually see when you rotate your wrist a certain way. I’m already running my 8Kx off a completely modded PC w/ direct die cooled 10900k and watercooled/modded 3090 at 520 watts and still have to make a few concessions to keep things pinned at 4K 90fps native with a separate signal to each eye. I feel like adding those might tank my performance but plan to give it a go sometime soon.
I have to admit VR is pretty awesome to me. However, when I try to share that awesomeness with others it usually ends with someone getting motion sickness.
Yea it took me 3 days of driving slow to get used to it, had to lay and recover on the couch after the first few sessions lol, after you are past that point though its amazing. Oddly enough my friends were pretty good on the motion side of things, just breaking was really weird to them since there's no force on your body. Worth it in the end if you can get past it though :D
This is actually a fair comparison, unlike other vids, comparing a CV1 to a triple. That’s like comparing 15” CRT monitor triple to a most recent VR gear, not a fair comparison. No wonder they switch to a triple. VR is still developing, pretty soon we will have 8k HMDs and powerful gfx cards that can run these old titles at 120 FPS. VR is the future. One of the main issues with VR is adaptation, people who are new to VR quit as soon as they feel motion sick. There has to be a guide or some kind of app that helps these new users adapt slowly to VR. We all got sick in the beginning but now love/hooked to this darn thing.
Despite the overall costs of these particular items being outside my budget this is a really unique and helpful video to me. Thanks for addressing so many points.
Good video! I wanted to add that with SteamVR you can easily open another window and place it into your VR world. When I stream DiRT Rally 2.0 in VR, I open a chat window and I place it behind the driver's seat and in between races I check the chat all from within the headset. I just twist around and there is the chat window. In a game like DiRT that works, because you can't take your eyes off the road for even a second lol. But where VR streaming gets really cool is when you find a game where the chat window fits in the setting of the game. Vox Machinea is a good example of this. It's a mech combat game, and from within the cockpit of the mech, you can place this chat window screen, just like it's part of the dashboard of the mechs control systems. I have also read stories of people tossing a Netflix window into the cockpit of their space ships in a game like No Man Sky or Elite Dangerous and just watching something like The Office while they cruise to their next destination.
Early in the video you talked about how immersive it was wearing a VR headset with driving gloves, shoes and a seat-belt. Then later in the video you gave the pimax headset a 7/10 for comfort because the headset is relatively heavy compared to not wearing one. While your scoring seems like it would make sense, I'd like to point out that if you were actually driving those cars in real life you'd have a full crash helmet on (and in some cases a gopro camera or similar mounted on it)... which would be much heavier and more bulky.
Love the content! I'm basically in your situation. Have the 8KX, was in love, but slowly falling out based on the glitchiness and possible other replacements.
Thanks BOSS! Yea its fun to experiment and see what else is out there (can be expensive) but its crazy we have all these options available to us. Not to mention pimax's 12k QLED announcement they made. Going to be a crazy future for racing/VR. Hope you find what you're looking for and happy racing! (Did wind up keeping one of these monitors for the record :D )
Same - since 99.9% of my VR time is spent via iRacing, the 8Kx works really well. I've played some regular games and while it LOOKS amazing, if you need to move super fast, the tracking isn't quite up to par with my Index for example. I think the 8Kx is amazing for things like iRacing or flying sims, etc. My guess is its probably not the best choice for a game like BeatSaber (not that ive ever played it.) However, from what ive heard, adding a 3rd Lighthouse really improves the tracking situation... I currently have two, on 8' tripods so they are up at ceiling height. I'd give the tracking a score of about ~85/100, compared with ~95/100 on my Index with my current setup.
I know both are great ways to do SIM racing or flight. Triple displays have the best/great clarity for SIM racing, I just wish I had the room for them. VR is the total immersion of SIM racing by actually being in the car and the 360 degree view of the game surroundings. Flight SIM's are also amazing in VR. Either way we go, there is going to be some high price tags for 3 displays or VR headset with using a high powered PC. Oh, also forgot to mention the special controllers for racing or flight and the games themselves. Right now I went the VR route. I don't have the top of the line high resolution VR headset, but mine is adequate enough to enjoy the VR immersion. The SIM games in VR are getting so much better and really enjoy trying the different cars and tracks of the racing games. So either way you go, Triple screens or VR, you are going to enjoy doing SIM gaming, flight or Racing.
Got all VR Headsets - Quest 2, Rift CV1, Rift S, Odyssey +, Valve Index, Pimax and Reverb G2. The G2 is definitly the best for iracing and flight Sims. Close behind is the Quest 2 as best allround VR Headset. The G2 is only in front, when you use the FOV mod. Pimax is the worst headset for me, because of the distortion and unnatural lens effects. Same to the index, which is good at fov, but the godrays and low resolution are minus points.
I played vr and now can't play without, don't have space for 32" tripple monitor anyways, but I also cant afford (good) vr & gpu as well as I get way too exhausted playing vr as I just wanna drive and relax sometimes, can't do that with vr
It's a shame that most content creaters have to rely on monitors, because they are missing a revolution in simulation. Driving Monaco in the RSS MP4/4 with my Reverb G2 is undoubtedly the high mark of 20 years of sim racing. You are not watching that famous video, you are in it!
The 8kx will be sharper than the G2 if you set it up right. Using 90hz in native makes a big difference. The 8kx in AC, the cockpit view, all the writing is crystal clear with no distortions, even better than the G2. Through the window and into the distance is also clearer. The g2 might be a little brighter or vibrant but for the overall experience, the 8Kx, kills the G2.
@@derekbancarz4530 Cool! You may have to go into the Pitools software and select/enable it after the firmware update? I have a Pimax 8KX but only a 1080Ti to drive it. My only choices in Pitools are 75 and 60Hz native. FWIW - I Velcroed 300 grams of lead weight the the back of the head-strap (150g on either side of the adjusting knob) and the headset is much MUCH more comfortable to wear now!
I agree if it were a bit more balanced (speaking for the 8kx specifically here) i race in helmets and its a lot more comfortable for longer durations than having the bulk of the weight on your face (8kx for example is front heavy) - where I could wear a helmet much longer than I could wear the VR. But it does feel more immersive for sure
Derek thumbs up for the video mate. Just out of curiosity how does the G2 compare to the Pimax? I’m running triple 32” screens at the moment and want to try VR, but struggling to justify the expense of the Pimax, especially with the base stations cost. Also, I want to get into DCS and was interested in the fact that you would prefer triples for this. I would have thought that the VR would be better because you can look more around you? I’d be interested in your thoughts please and anyone else. Thanks in advance
Thanks Kevan! Tons of people have gone either way. For me it was no question once I got used to that FOV, even if there was practically no sound/bit less comfortable, pimax was for me, thick face foam made all the difference for me as well. I have not tried DCS personally. Though since im way more serious in racing than flying, VR for me is a tool to be a better driver. I think if you are a serious flyer VR might be better for that as well if you have the system for it. Since I'm really casual monitors was nice for a quick 15 mins or so of flying, if I was actually fighting jets or practicing in DCS and I was more serious, I think VR would also be a tool where u can reach your potential with over monitors. Good question though! Bit of a tricky answer :D basically VR if you're serious about it I think is best, at least that's my opinion!
Just got my psvr setup on PC, 4 all who don't know, you only need to run it at half fps, the VR software makes "fake" frames. That said, you only need to hit 45 FPS and it feels/looks like 90 FPS. You do not need a super high end system or make compromises IMHO. I hit 100+ on flat, so it hits 45 EZ in VR, even with with maxed out settings, that's been my experience so far. You can also lock it to 60 FPS, and have it look and feel like 120, I can hit 60 too but it looks just fine at 45 IMO so I don't waste the energy. Happily surprised.. 4 any1 curious, I'm only a running a 3060 and Ryzen 7 3700x, pretty mid tier but it's doing its thing, good luck with your setup!
I'm thinking of a Pimax 5K. But if the visuals in VR even on the 8KX is lacking compared to monitors, it kind of bums me out a little. But then again, currently, I have 3 1080p monitors and an Oculus Rift. So maybe a 5K would be nice for me anyway. I mostly play the truck sims from SCS, idk which sim racer I should go for, so one of my desires with VR is being able to read not only the gauges on my dash but the signs on the road too
No idea if this is relevant to you but I will chuck it in here in case others want to try it out. I'm not sure if you are using it in AC but the latest CSP 0.1.76-preview92 edition has sorted out a bug with sharpening the image in VR which has greatly reduced blur, especially distance blur. As you are running a 3090 I presume you don't enable AMD FidelityFX but further down the CSP-Graphics Adjustements page I have the Post Processing AA set to FXAA 3.11, the AMD CAS (Contrast Adaptive Sharpening) turned on and set it to between 75 and 100% with FXAA ticked on the Assetto Corsa Video Settings page. I really enjoyed your video by the way and have subscribed, feel free to check out my latest video with the above settings
Hey thanks a lot for the info! I sort of noticed AC looks a bit more blurry in the distance vs iracing and rFactor 2, but otherwise looks amazing. Yea I don't use fidelity fx since I'm hitting 90 fps usually natively. Didn't know these settings existed might have to play around with that this weekend. Thanks for the info appreciate it! Will check out your channel and well :D happy racing!
I really don't get why the Pimax isn't a full face racing helmet. Let's face it, the Pimax is for sim racers and flight simulator pilots and both drivers and pilots wear helmets in real life so it would add to the immersion as well as being far more comfortable to wear for long periods of time.
Tbh I think I agree with this, or at least have an add on you can attach that has better weight distribution and can act as a full helmet. Pimax is definitely best for simulations, having it as a full blown helmet would be pretty sweet (or at least if could be optional)
Thank you! Yea I know people have gone either way, I just HAD to try both :D Looks like I'm a VR guy though :P Once you get used to being IN the car, its hard to uh, not be in the car. The picture quality on triples though... D: Hope you find what you're looking for and happy racing!
@@derekbancarz4530 I will wait for bifocal lenses and new screens coming. Next gen VR will be a huge step up I guess. Then I’m in. For now I see triples as my preferred option. I’ll borough a test setup with 3x 27“ from work. To get a feeling. Let’s see. Later. 👍
What about VR vs multiple projectors? I think I am going to get a Pimax 5k plus as the cost of adding more and better projectors to my setup would cost more.
Yea that is something I only briefly explored (higher res/higher refreshrate projectors for racing). It doesn't quite seem as viable to me as triples or VR personally as there's still an image quality drop off to some extent and potentially a lot of tinkering depending how your room is set up. I think if dialed in with lights off, that could be a really sweet setup in theory, but even if I had the proper scaling/room setup for it, id still run VR personally but that's just me. Hope you find what you're looking for and happy racing! Haven't had the chance to try the 5k + personally, not sure how it would compare clarity wise to the 8kx but i've heard Its maybe a touch sharper than the index.
I would say really depends on what you're going to be playing. I would think you would need a bit more power to use the full resolution/FOV on simulation style games. I use large FOV on the 8kx most of the time and the 3090 is sweating 😅though we don't know what the 100% render resolution is yet so hard to say!
@@derekbancarz4530 wow. But 3090 desktop could be about 2.5-3 times more powerful that 3070ti laptop... So I guess no simulators for me. But at the same time Crystal will have 140fov max and I could reduce the quality down to high or mid... So maybe at least Alyx is playable. Or just go with Pico 4 😊
Hey Derek I contacted you previously about the 8Kx. Curious how powerful your rig is? I JUST got done perfecting my 8Kx on a watercooled, highly modded 3090 at 2.2 GHz, 10200 GHz Ram and i9-10900k at 5.2 all core. I finally figured out EXACTLY what config settings in iRacing make all the difference. Contact me if you want a copy of my ini config. I think it’s absolutely amazing now, thank god because I’ve put in 100s of hours figuring it all out.
@@luider8795 To be honest, I havent had much time to look into it yet, though I have heard from some of the notable people at (or that work closely with) Pimax that this should run extremely well on a 3090. I also verified that they will be allowing those of us that purchased the 8Kx (or another Pimax hmd) to put the price of that HMD towards the price of the 12k as a trade up. Ill probably wait to watch reviews from trustworthy sources - like Derek! If it looks like a huge upgrade, will work with my current PC and improve iRacing specifically (since that accounts for 99.9% of my VR time) than absolutely. :)
Thanks Ruben! I likely will over the next couple of videos!. Next video I have lined up to make is VR 90fps settings VS the same settings on triple monitors to compare FPS and GPU usage :D
Nope! :( Definitely takes some tweaking to get it right, to be honest I think we're quite a far way off from being able to do that. If I did ultra with a full car grid on rfactor2 or assetto Corsa my fps would probably be closer to 15-25 on a 3090. That's a good bonus from triple screens you get to see the full potential/detail of how the game can look, but the 3d effect of VR is just too good sometimes :p
@@derekbancarz4530 but with triple screens you 3x the 4k resolution right, so you would need more resolution then what a VR headset would need, or am i wrong?
@@benjiebarker since vertical stays the same across multi screens the overall resolution is far less on screens. My triple 1440p screens I run at 7550x1440 The headset steam res is about 5130x3130 PER eye. Which far exceeds the screens which is why it's so tough to run. Hope that helps!
I actually emailed them to see if I could get a review unit to compare to the pimax :p Never heard back though. Don't think I can spend another 3k + on a headset LOL, next headset will likely be the 12k Pimax once that releases. They mentioned they may be able to send me that one when the time comes to for review :D
I got a triple 1440p 32" and a rift s. My rift s stopped working without any reason with just laying in it's box. Anyways, if you can handle vr more then 30 minutes without taking bunch of ginger pills like me, Vr. If you like sharp graphics and can't stay more then 30 min in it then tripel. Oh and my friends thought vr is fun until they got sick. Thay told me never again lol. So it's not that fun for them tbh. I'll stick with triples until vr gets as sharp as 1440p monitor.
Hands down the best VR Triple vid on youtube! Would an i7-8700K run a G2 pretty well? I'm still waiting on a decent GPU but would I still need a 3080? I only run iRacing and Elite Dangerous on my rig. Thanks!
Appreciate that man! 8700k shouldn't really bottleneck the GPU that much at that resolution to be honest but I'd probably want to overclock and still throw in a 3080. The steam supersampling resolution is what determines how hard the game will be to run so you can always dial it back to try to get 90fps, in my opinion motion smoothing isn't quite worth it (45fps and faking a frame). I think the G2 full res steam SS was somewhere around 3150x3100 per eye so it's still a pretty heavy task. VR can take a while to dial it in as every user winds up preferring a slightly diff experience, but once it's dialed in to your likings it's amazing. Without a 3080 youll likely have to knock down the SS just a little bit (100 percent down to 90 can have a great performance increase since it's res per eye). Luckily iracing is incredibly optimized, you'd likely do 100 SS with your cpu and a 3080 with a full car grid. Hope that helps, cheers man! Appreciate the nice comment
@@derekbancarz4530 Thanks so much for taking the time to explain all that info. I'm going to try and hold out for the prices to come down a bit on the 3080 before I jump in. My current dinosaur rig is an i5 - 2500k sandy bridge, 1060 6GB, & triple 20" 75hz. I only have 9" of vertical viewing space on my triple setup so literally any headset is an upgrade from what I have haha. A friend is selling me his low hour, i7-8700K, 32Gb 3000 DDR4, Asus Z390E, Corsair 750W Mod Platinum + case for $400. Gonna slap my beefy 1060 in, strap on this random $100 Lenovo WMR headset I just got and SeNd iTtt!! haha Your discord link in the description has expired btw. Also, subbed. Thanks again.
@@shagtasticproduction That'll be quite the upgrade! Who says you need high frame rate to be a fast driver anyways 😎 That system should be able to hold a 3080 pretty well without any bottlenecks, happy racing dude! SEND IT
I returned two of them but wound up picking them back up on the recent black friday sale since they were so cheap :P I've been loving using both for different purposes. I still plan on doing a VR 90fps settings tested on triples to see the performance gained and GPU usage. My favourite is still VR but triples have been nice for casual racing. Triples is a great GAMING experience, when VR is a great EXPERIENCE. VR makes me feel like im doing an activity or practicing a real life skill when driving and triples feels like its a great way to play a game. Both serve their purpose and I plan on doing a couple more videos comparing the two!
What resolution are the triples? You kept saying you'd get higher graphics out of the triple monitors on things like MS flight sim. The pimax 8k is dual 4k resolution (shown as a single screen). Some people are setting up triple 4k LG 48" OLEDs for example, so for the 4k era, the headest would potentially have 1/3 less rez to render (at native rez). That could result in being able to set graphics settings higher and/or getting higher frame rates which not only reduces sample and hold blur but also increases motion definition/articulation. MS flight sim is notorious for having frame rate sinkholes due to the extreme view distances and high graphics detail. Of course, as you noted in your video, VR is 3D, essentially holographic 3D in effect, where desktop screens or "pancake" screens are 2D... so it depends how you measure improved visuals/aesthetics... There are many factors: graphics complexity/detail/AA/FX/"eye candy" settings, frame-rates(motion clarity/blur reduction, motion-definition/motion~pathing detail/smoothness), raw resolution, 2D vs "holographic" 3D depth of everything on screen... also in some cases, HDR with a truly capable HDR display and well implemented HDR game.
Great job on the comparison! Really helped me out. I tried my friend's Vive gen 1 and got motion sick after ~5 minutes. A lot of people have been saying you just gotta keep using it and it'll get better/normal after awhile. Wondering if you had a similar experience?
Thanks man! Yes I got it pretty bad. Id play about 2 mins then have to lay on the couch for 45 mins and recover LOL. Took about 4-5 days for me to start driving fast. Id say after a week I was able to do barrel rolls in fighter jets and go crazy on the track. No g-force took a while for my brain to comprehend. I've seen some just go crazy in it the first time, some people are built different lol. Pushing through and getting my body to learn it was well worth it though, VR is a blast! Also in my experience better clarity in the headset and 90hz + makes a big difference with motion. Cheers!
Are you sure it's 6.5/10 in graphics with Pimax 8KX? That's like a D grade in school. I don't think I see D graphics in my Pimax 8KX. I was able to get it to run at native 4K super sharp w/ RTX 3090. So your comment about VR graphics should be relative to what graphics card a person is running on. If you run Pimax 8KX w/ a FOV of 120 (instead of 150) degree, the graphics jump to 4K instead of looking at 1080p....that's how big a jump it is...it is super sharp and clear to me....as if i am in that environment. Obviously, nothing can beat triple...but I wouldn't give Pimax 8KX a 6.5 lol. I would say 8/10 for me in Automobilista 2.
I loved the quest 2! Unbeatable for the price by a long shot. The idea for the video was apples to apples aka $ 1300 monitors vs $1300 headset. Tbh 400 for the quest 2 vs 400 in monitors to budget in ... I think I'd take the quest two on that one for sure.
Only reason I'm considering to pass to triple after 3 years of racing in vr is comfort. But triple required so much space, so much display port available 😅(I also use my pc for other games on my 34 inches 21 9 monitor). So I'm also considering to buy a Samsung G9 . Sure, less immersion but more easy. Btw In on a I9 10900k and 3080Ti. My headset is a Samsung Odyssey+ now. I've tried a G2 last week but returned it for his small fov, can't race properly and very disappointed.
Thanks for the input! I've actually been using triples pretty often now since I'm doing longer sessions. I raced so long in VR my neck is starting to get sore almost every day. They're super nice to just hop in and practice laps, takes some getting used to though. I say typically VR is a better EXPERIENCE but triples is a better GAMING experience. I'd personally rather run triples than most headsets, the 8kx though once dialed in I enjoy more, but for long practice session I use screens. Waiting on the next generation of headsets, interesting time to be a sim racer. Happy racing man! Hope you find what you're looking for
well yea, VR is exactly like glasses. glasses are RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES, yet you are not uncomfortable with them, compared to a monitor being in front of your eyes. You LOOK THROUGH VR just like you LOOK THROUGH glasses. Because if you think about it, VR and glasses are both right in front of your eyes, and emit light to your eyes the same way. But with monitors, you look AT them, and it hurts.
It's totally petty but I just can't get over how stupid people look wearing VR. I already look like a big enough dork to my wife with a fake steering wheel and pedals. Pretty sure I would lose all respect if I started wearing VR.
LOL I was talking about that with my fiance recently - What if you come down to the basement and see me in a VR and a motion simulator throwing me around. #ProudToBeAWeeb. VR is pretty sweet though, and in the headset, u dont see how ridiculous you look :p cheers man
I have both VR (G2) and triples. I only enjoy racing and flying in VR now. Add to that a motion seat and its even better. VR is just way to cool!
I got a VR headset a couple of weeks ago and it feels like it is the first time the promise of 'you will feel like you're inside the game!' is kept. It is amazing how you start noticing that what seemed flat is now very noticeably curved, and lines are so much easier to find. When playing online I was like 'I'm getting very lucky avoiding crashes and opponents lately' but after some thought, it's the stereoscopic image that makes it easier. It's like you're reacting instead of interpreting and then reacting. I was able to decrease tenths in the first half hour, and races seem MUCH shorter. 20 minutes feel like nothing now.
One thing I really like about playing in VR and I've only experienced it with Assetto Corsa & Assetto Corsa Competizione is being able to walk out the car and see a full version of a car. That's pretty amazing.
Thanks for doing this
I just ordered the 8kx hope i get the new version
Thanks for the video. I've been swinging back and forth between VR and Triples.
I agree with you. Nothing beats 3D (ie. stereo) vision. I'm using 3x 27" 1440p monitors with Nvidia 3D Vision and it's insane. I've seen and played on many types of monitors such as ultrawide, 4K, HDR, OLED, 240 Hz, etc. but if the view isn't 3D/stereo then all those other specs & features don't matter because you're still looking at a 2D "piece of paper". I'd do almost anything to be able to have triple 32" 3D monitors but sadly they don't exist. I'll eventually move over to VR headsets; I'm just waiting for the tech to improve so I can still see my real-life cockpit around me.
In 2017 I had Triple Screen 3 D with passive Glasses and it was great, like a little bit VR
@@michaelhuyer1479 Yup. Even more like VR when combined with head-tracking like TrackIR. I've finally moved from my triple 1440p 3D Vision setup thanks to Pimax (all other brands have atrocious h.FOV).
I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets bad eye strain within 30 mins from the quest 2. I've also used the vive, reverb g2, and vive pro 2, and none of them strain my eyes at all.
I play AMS2 in VR and everytime I play I am shocked by the immersion. You definately need a high end GPU and running at 90hz is a must but once you've ticked those boxes there's no looking back...and it's only going to get better
Is a 12600K + 6700XT good enough?
@@WilsonianGarveyite your CPU is very good, you may have to dial your in game VR settings down a little for the 6700xt to get 90hz to run well but you should be all good 👍🏾
what the experience actually with 60hz, is it bad ?
@@Birawster in sim racing the number one thing for immersion is a smooth race with no stuttering, if your running at 60hz and the track is busy, especially at the start of the race your frames will dip and its more noticeable. When your running at 90hz a dip in frames can be hardly noticeable at all depending on the sim you're playing...
I have both the Pimax 8KX and a triple-screen setup with TrackIR. The final verdict for ‘me’ is that I can’t do without either one, so I’m keeping them BOTH! I predominately run Flight Simulator and DCS World. Many of the aircraft in those sims are “study grade” level aircraft and can be quite challenging and time consuming to learn. Constantly bouncing in-and-out of VR while trying to learn an aircraft is a real pain, and I’ve found the most expedient way to learn them, is to run the sim on the 3-monitor setup while having the aircraft manual open on a nearby laptop! Also…
If you’re doing anything competitive in DCS World (dogfighting) you’ll need the higher resolution and performance the 3-monitor setup affords or your opponent is likely gonna SMOKE ya every time! (Lose sight, lose the fight!) I love my VR headset for the immersion and fun factor it provides - but I love the 3-monitor setup for the utility/convenience it affords and can’t imagine being without it.
I should prolly mention that I’m a Web developer, and being able to spread work out across those three monitors is absolutely the sh*ts! So there’s that too… ;-)
In your case seems like it's nice to have both! That's why I mentioned I like flight sim more in the triples really. Especially cause there is so much looking far into the distance. Appreciate your input! For me VR for driving Triples for flying :p haven't tried DCS since I am more of a sim racer. Glad you found fun in both !
I have 2 x LG 65” C1 OLEDs in prep for triple 65 but after buying the Pimax, I’ve said F it. Like Derek the thought of having to race on a monitor is literally a nightmare.
You can open virtual monitors on your VR screen while in game. You can pin those screens relative to you or somewhere in the virtual environment. Streamers often pin a large chat screen to their forearm in game for example but you can pin screen anywhere in VR. Some people pin one to the ground as a guide. I'd imagine with pimax 8k rez you'd get even better results and be able to do smaller text relative to lower rez headsets.
I agree that triple monitor desktop/app space is great but I'm not running my side screens for games (LG 48CX oled in the middle for media/gaming).
@@elvnmagi9048 That’s interesting you bring that up. I own OVR Toolkit via Steam, and was considering dragging in some extra HUD info that I keep hidden in my Periphery, with info I can check on straights and such in iRacing.
Like you said about Streamers makes sense too as I used that mod to pin a FPS meter to my left wrist which you’d only actually see when you rotate your wrist a certain way.
I’m already running my 8Kx off a completely modded PC w/ direct die cooled 10900k and watercooled/modded 3090 at 520 watts and still have to make a few concessions to keep things pinned at 4K 90fps native with a separate signal to each eye. I feel like adding those might tank my performance but plan to give it a go sometime soon.
I have to admit VR is pretty awesome to me. However, when I try to share that awesomeness with others it usually ends with someone getting motion sickness.
Yea it took me 3 days of driving slow to get used to it, had to lay and recover on the couch after the first few sessions lol, after you are past that point though its amazing. Oddly enough my friends were pretty good on the motion side of things, just breaking was really weird to them since there's no force on your body. Worth it in the end if you can get past it though :D
Same here, everytime. They have to develop some VR legs to really enjoy it.
This is actually a fair comparison, unlike other vids, comparing a CV1 to a triple. That’s like comparing 15” CRT monitor triple to a most recent VR gear, not a fair comparison. No wonder they switch to a triple.
VR is still developing, pretty soon we will have 8k HMDs and powerful gfx cards that can run these old titles at 120 FPS. VR is the future. One of the main issues with VR is adaptation, people who are new to VR quit as soon as they feel motion sick. There has to be a guide or some kind of app that helps these new users adapt slowly to VR. We all got sick in the beginning but now love/hooked to this darn thing.
Despite the overall costs of these particular items being outside my budget this is a really unique and helpful video to me. Thanks for addressing so many points.
Good video! I wanted to add that with SteamVR you can easily open another window and place it into your VR world. When I stream DiRT Rally 2.0 in VR, I open a chat window and I place it behind the driver's seat and in between races I check the chat all from within the headset. I just twist around and there is the chat window. In a game like DiRT that works, because you can't take your eyes off the road for even a second lol.
But where VR streaming gets really cool is when you find a game where the chat window fits in the setting of the game. Vox Machinea is a good example of this. It's a mech combat game, and from within the cockpit of the mech, you can place this chat window screen, just like it's part of the dashboard of the mechs control systems. I have also read stories of people tossing a Netflix window into the cockpit of their space ships in a game like No Man Sky or Elite Dangerous and just watching something like The Office while they cruise to their next destination.
Really enjoyed your video. Great stuff!!!
Thanks appreciate it!!
Early in the video you talked about how immersive it was wearing a VR headset with driving gloves, shoes and a seat-belt. Then later in the video you gave the pimax headset a 7/10 for comfort because the headset is relatively heavy compared to not wearing one. While your scoring seems like it would make sense, I'd like to point out that if you were actually driving those cars in real life you'd have a full crash helmet on (and in some cases a gopro camera or similar mounted on it)... which would be much heavier and more bulky.
Yup real life with a suit and a helmet and the heat is probably a 4/10 :p good point!
@@derekbancarz4530 add the 5 or 6g that will almost break your neck in the real car
Switched from triples to VR a year ago. Never going back. Flat screens can never create the immersion that VR gives you.
Great vid man, the lap time comparison was interesting.
Love the content! I'm basically in your situation. Have the 8KX, was in love, but slowly falling out based on the glitchiness and possible other replacements.
Thanks BOSS! Yea its fun to experiment and see what else is out there (can be expensive) but its crazy we have all these options available to us. Not to mention pimax's 12k QLED announcement they made. Going to be a crazy future for racing/VR. Hope you find what you're looking for and happy racing! (Did wind up keeping one of these monitors for the record :D )
Same - since 99.9% of my VR time is spent via iRacing, the 8Kx works really well. I've played some regular games and while it LOOKS amazing, if you need to move super fast, the tracking isn't quite up to par with my Index for example. I think the 8Kx is amazing for things like iRacing or flying sims, etc. My guess is its probably not the best choice for a game like BeatSaber (not that ive ever played it.) However, from what ive heard, adding a 3rd Lighthouse really improves the tracking situation... I currently have two, on 8' tripods so they are up at ceiling height. I'd give the tracking a score of about ~85/100, compared with ~95/100 on my Index with my current setup.
lol nice intro ! very informative :) thank you sir :)
Thanks Nitebot! :D
I know both are great ways to do SIM racing or flight. Triple displays have the best/great clarity for SIM racing, I just wish I had the room for them. VR is the total immersion of SIM racing by actually being in the car and the 360 degree view of the game surroundings. Flight SIM's are also amazing in VR.
Either way we go, there is going to be some high price tags for 3 displays or VR headset with using a high powered PC. Oh, also forgot to mention the special controllers for racing or flight and the games themselves.
Right now I went the VR route. I don't have the top of the line high resolution VR headset, but mine is adequate enough to enjoy the VR immersion.
The SIM games in VR are getting so much better and really enjoy trying the different cars and tracks of the racing games.
So either way you go, Triple screens or VR, you are going to enjoy doing SIM gaming, flight or Racing.
Sim racer sets off at the Nurburgring, fist thing he does, ignore the blend line!
Got all VR Headsets - Quest 2, Rift CV1, Rift S, Odyssey +, Valve Index, Pimax and Reverb G2. The G2 is definitly the best for iracing and flight Sims. Close behind is the Quest 2 as best allround VR Headset. The G2 is only in front, when you use the FOV mod. Pimax is the worst headset for me, because of the distortion and unnatural lens effects. Same to the index, which is good at fov, but the godrays and low resolution are minus points.
I played vr and now can't play without, don't have space for 32" tripple monitor anyways, but I also cant afford (good) vr & gpu as well as I get way too exhausted playing vr as I just wanna drive and relax sometimes, can't do that with vr
It's a shame that most content creaters have to rely on monitors, because they are missing a revolution in simulation. Driving Monaco in the RSS MP4/4 with my Reverb G2 is undoubtedly the high mark of 20 years of sim racing. You are not watching that famous video, you are in it!
The 8kx will be sharper than the G2 if you set it up right. Using 90hz in native makes a big difference. The 8kx in AC, the cockpit view, all the writing is crystal clear with no distortions, even better than the G2. Through the window and into the distance is also clearer. The g2 might be a little brighter or vibrant but for the overall experience, the 8Kx, kills the G2.
How do you get the 90hz native? is it a certain beta version of pitool or nvidia driver?
@@derekbancarz4530 I'm pretty sure you need an RTX 3000 series graphics card before 90Hz native is enabled.
@@MikeInExile yea I got one it's just the beta firmware to install on the headset I think . Gonna test it later today :D
@@derekbancarz4530 Cool! You may have to go into the Pitools software and select/enable it after the firmware update? I have a Pimax 8KX but only a 1080Ti to drive it. My only choices in Pitools are 75 and 60Hz native. FWIW - I Velcroed 300 grams of lead weight the the back of the head-strap (150g on either side of the adjusting knob) and the headset is much MUCH more comfortable to wear now!
@@derekbancarz4530 I can't post links but if you google P2_8KX_M298_EngineerTest, it will give you the latest firmware. I am using it on an AMD card.
Talking about comfort, I think having the VR on your head is like putting a helmet, which adds immersion to the experience.
I agree if it were a bit more balanced (speaking for the 8kx specifically here) i race in helmets and its a lot more comfortable for longer durations than having the bulk of the weight on your face (8kx for example is front heavy) - where I could wear a helmet much longer than I could wear the VR. But it does feel more immersive for sure
With VR I’d probably post up in the grandstands at a NASCAR track in iRacing and pretend I’m watching a real race. lol
Derek thumbs up for the video mate. Just out of curiosity how does the G2 compare to the Pimax? I’m running triple 32” screens at the moment and want to try VR, but struggling to justify the expense of the Pimax, especially with the base stations cost. Also, I want to get into DCS and was interested in the fact that you would prefer triples for this. I would have thought that the VR would be better because you can look more around you? I’d be interested in your thoughts please and anyone else. Thanks in advance
Thanks Kevan! Tons of people have gone either way. For me it was no question once I got used to that FOV, even if there was practically no sound/bit less comfortable, pimax was for me, thick face foam made all the difference for me as well. I have not tried DCS personally. Though since im way more serious in racing than flying, VR for me is a tool to be a better driver. I think if you are a serious flyer VR might be better for that as well if you have the system for it. Since I'm really casual monitors was nice for a quick 15 mins or so of flying, if I was actually fighting jets or practicing in DCS and I was more serious, I think VR would also be a tool where u can reach your potential with over monitors. Good question though! Bit of a tricky answer :D basically VR if you're serious about it I think is best, at least that's my opinion!
How did u get out the car ? Do u have to buy some gloves or something?
Just got my psvr setup on PC, 4 all who don't know, you only need to run it at half fps, the VR software makes "fake" frames. That said, you only need to hit 45 FPS and it feels/looks like 90 FPS. You do not need a super high end system or make compromises IMHO. I hit 100+ on flat, so it hits 45 EZ in VR, even with with maxed out settings, that's been my experience so far. You can also lock it to 60 FPS, and have it look and feel like 120, I can hit 60 too but it looks just fine at 45 IMO so I don't waste the energy. Happily surprised.. 4 any1 curious, I'm only a running a 3060 and Ryzen 7 3700x, pretty mid tier but it's doing its thing, good luck with your setup!
I'm thinking of a Pimax 5K. But if the visuals in VR even on the 8KX is lacking compared to monitors, it kind of bums me out a little. But then again, currently, I have 3 1080p monitors and an Oculus Rift. So maybe a 5K would be nice for me anyway. I mostly play the truck sims from SCS, idk which sim racer I should go for, so one of my desires with VR is being able to read not only the gauges on my dash but the signs on the road too
Nice picture frame ;)
No idea if this is relevant to you but I will chuck it in here in case others want to try it out.
I'm not sure if you are using it in AC but the latest CSP 0.1.76-preview92 edition has sorted out a bug with sharpening the image in VR which has greatly reduced blur, especially distance blur. As you are running a 3090 I presume you don't enable AMD FidelityFX but further down the CSP-Graphics Adjustements page I have the Post Processing AA set to FXAA 3.11, the AMD CAS (Contrast Adaptive Sharpening) turned on and set it to between 75 and 100% with FXAA ticked on the Assetto Corsa Video Settings page.
I really enjoyed your video by the way and have subscribed, feel free to check out my latest video with the above settings
Hey thanks a lot for the info! I sort of noticed AC looks a bit more blurry in the distance vs iracing and rFactor 2, but otherwise looks amazing. Yea I don't use fidelity fx since I'm hitting 90 fps usually natively. Didn't know these settings existed might have to play around with that this weekend. Thanks for the info appreciate it! Will check out your channel and well :D happy racing!
I really don't get why the Pimax isn't a full face racing helmet. Let's face it, the Pimax is for sim racers and flight simulator pilots and both drivers and pilots wear helmets in real life so it would add to the immersion as well as being far more comfortable to wear for long periods of time.
Tbh I think I agree with this, or at least have an add on you can attach that has better weight distribution and can act as a full helmet. Pimax is definitely best for simulations, having it as a full blown helmet would be pretty sweet (or at least if could be optional)
Gracias!!!
We have to talk about all of those off track grass passes 😂
LOL
Great video! Thank you. 👍 For 450.000 less I would get the Varjo! 😉 I’m so tempted towards triples.
Thank you! Yea I know people have gone either way, I just HAD to try both :D Looks like I'm a VR guy though :P Once you get used to being IN the car, its hard to uh, not be in the car. The picture quality on triples though... D: Hope you find what you're looking for and happy racing!
@@derekbancarz4530 I will wait for bifocal lenses and new screens coming. Next gen VR will be a huge step up I guess. Then I’m in. For now I see triples as my preferred option. I’ll borough a test setup with 3x 27“ from work. To get a feeling. Let’s see. Later. 👍
@@proliciousgamer enjoy man! High end VR is pretty tough to run, triples is still an awesome driving experience if u can dial everything in!
What about VR vs multiple projectors? I think I am going to get a Pimax 5k plus as the cost of adding more and better projectors to my setup would cost more.
Yea that is something I only briefly explored (higher res/higher refreshrate projectors for racing). It doesn't quite seem as viable to me as triples or VR personally as there's still an image quality drop off to some extent and potentially a lot of tinkering depending how your room is set up. I think if dialed in with lights off, that could be a really sweet setup in theory, but even if I had the proper scaling/room setup for it, id still run VR personally but that's just me. Hope you find what you're looking for and happy racing! Haven't had the chance to try the 5k + personally, not sure how it would compare clarity wise to the 8kx but i've heard Its maybe a touch sharper than the index.
Hey! Do you think 3070ti laptop can handle upcoming Pimax Crystal ?
I would say really depends on what you're going to be playing. I would think you would need a bit more power to use the full resolution/FOV on simulation style games. I use large FOV on the 8kx most of the time and the 3090 is sweating 😅though we don't know what the 100% render resolution is yet so hard to say!
@@derekbancarz4530 wow. But 3090 desktop could be about 2.5-3 times more powerful that 3070ti laptop... So I guess no simulators for me.
But at the same time Crystal will have 140fov max and I could reduce the quality down to high or mid... So maybe at least Alyx is playable.
Or just go with Pico 4 😊
Hey Derek I contacted you previously about the 8Kx. Curious how powerful your rig is?
I JUST got done perfecting my 8Kx on a watercooled, highly modded 3090 at 2.2 GHz, 10200 GHz Ram and i9-10900k at 5.2 all core.
I finally figured out EXACTLY what config settings in iRacing make all the difference.
Contact me if you want a copy of my ini config. I think it’s absolutely amazing now, thank god because I’ve put in 100s of hours figuring it all out.
are you going to buy the pimax 12k when it comes out?
@@luider8795 To be honest, I havent had much time to look into it yet, though I have heard from some of the notable people at (or that work closely with) Pimax that this should run extremely well on a 3090. I also verified that they will be allowing those of us that purchased the 8Kx (or another Pimax hmd) to put the price of that HMD towards the price of the 12k as a trade up. Ill probably wait to watch reviews from trustworthy sources - like Derek! If it looks like a huge upgrade, will work with my current PC and improve iRacing specifically (since that accounts for 99.9% of my VR time) than absolutely. :)
I feel bad for screen clowns. They'll never know. When ppl say it makes them sick. Shows they could never drive irl
that's sick
I like your content Derek and I have Pimax as well can you make videos about settings for different sim races games?
Thanks Ruben! I likely will over the next couple of videos!. Next video I have lined up to make is VR 90fps settings VS the same settings on triple monitors to compare FPS and GPU usage :D
Can current PC setups play games at ultra with the resolution of that VR headset?
Nope! :( Definitely takes some tweaking to get it right, to be honest I think we're quite a far way off from being able to do that. If I did ultra with a full car grid on rfactor2 or assetto Corsa my fps would probably be closer to 15-25 on a 3090. That's a good bonus from triple screens you get to see the full potential/detail of how the game can look, but the 3d effect of VR is just too good sometimes :p
@@derekbancarz4530 but with triple screens you 3x the 4k resolution right, so you would need more resolution then what a VR headset would need, or am i wrong?
@@benjiebarker since vertical stays the same across multi screens the overall resolution is far less on screens. My triple 1440p screens I run at 7550x1440
The headset steam res is about 5130x3130 PER eye. Which far exceeds the screens which is why it's so tough to run. Hope that helps!
Are you planning on getting Varjo Aero since you like the best stuff?
I actually emailed them to see if I could get a review unit to compare to the pimax :p Never heard back though. Don't think I can spend another 3k + on a headset LOL, next headset will likely be the 12k Pimax once that releases. They mentioned they may be able to send me that one when the time comes to for review :D
good intro
I got a triple 1440p 32" and a rift s. My rift s stopped working without any reason with just laying in it's box. Anyways, if you can handle vr more then 30 minutes without taking bunch of ginger pills like me, Vr. If you like sharp graphics and can't stay more then 30 min in it then tripel. Oh and my friends thought vr is fun until they got sick. Thay told me never again lol. So it's not that fun for them tbh. I'll stick with triples until vr gets as sharp as 1440p monitor.
Hands down the best VR Triple vid on youtube! Would an i7-8700K run a G2 pretty well? I'm still waiting on a decent GPU but would I still need a 3080? I only run iRacing and Elite Dangerous on my rig. Thanks!
Appreciate that man! 8700k shouldn't really bottleneck the GPU that much at that resolution to be honest but I'd probably want to overclock and still throw in a 3080. The steam supersampling resolution is what determines how hard the game will be to run so you can always dial it back to try to get 90fps, in my opinion motion smoothing isn't quite worth it (45fps and faking a frame). I think the G2 full res steam SS was somewhere around 3150x3100 per eye so it's still a pretty heavy task. VR can take a while to dial it in as every user winds up preferring a slightly diff experience, but once it's dialed in to your likings it's amazing. Without a 3080 youll likely have to knock down the SS just a little bit (100 percent down to 90 can have a great performance increase since it's res per eye). Luckily iracing is incredibly optimized, you'd likely do 100 SS with your cpu and a 3080 with a full car grid. Hope that helps, cheers man! Appreciate the nice comment
@@derekbancarz4530 Thanks so much for taking the time to explain all that info. I'm going to try and hold out for the prices to come down a bit on the 3080 before I jump in. My current dinosaur rig is an i5 - 2500k sandy bridge, 1060 6GB, & triple 20" 75hz. I only have 9" of vertical viewing space on my triple setup so literally any headset is an upgrade from what I have haha.
A friend is selling me his low hour, i7-8700K, 32Gb 3000 DDR4, Asus Z390E, Corsair 750W Mod Platinum + case for $400. Gonna slap my beefy 1060 in, strap on this random $100 Lenovo WMR headset I just got and SeNd iTtt!! haha
Your discord link in the description has expired btw. Also, subbed. Thanks again.
@@shagtasticproduction That'll be quite the upgrade! Who says you need high frame rate to be a fast driver anyways 😎 That system should be able to hold a 3080 pretty well without any bottlenecks, happy racing dude! SEND IT
did you end up returning the monitors? has your opinion changed at all since the video was made?
I returned two of them but wound up picking them back up on the recent black friday sale since they were so cheap :P I've been loving using both for different purposes. I still plan on doing a VR 90fps settings tested on triples to see the performance gained and GPU usage. My favourite is still VR but triples have been nice for casual racing. Triples is a great GAMING experience, when VR is a great EXPERIENCE. VR makes me feel like im doing an activity or practicing a real life skill when driving and triples feels like its a great way to play a game. Both serve their purpose and I plan on doing a couple more videos comparing the two!
Graphics category should be called clarity
They looks really good. What kind of screens are these?
Gigabyte 32ca I think! 32 inch curved 165hz
What resolution are the triples? You kept saying you'd get higher graphics out of the triple monitors on things like MS flight sim. The pimax 8k is dual 4k resolution (shown as a single screen). Some people are setting up triple 4k LG 48" OLEDs for example, so for the 4k era, the headest would potentially have 1/3 less rez to render (at native rez). That could result in being able to set graphics settings higher and/or getting higher frame rates which not only reduces sample and hold blur but also increases motion definition/articulation.
MS flight sim is notorious for having frame rate sinkholes due to the extreme view distances and high graphics detail. Of course, as you noted in your video, VR is 3D, essentially holographic 3D in effect, where desktop screens or "pancake" screens are 2D... so it depends how you measure improved visuals/aesthetics...
There are many factors: graphics complexity/detail/AA/FX/"eye candy" settings, frame-rates(motion clarity/blur reduction, motion-definition/motion~pathing detail/smoothness), raw resolution, 2D vs "holographic" 3D depth of everything on screen... also in some cases, HDR with a truly capable HDR display and well implemented HDR game.
He says 1440p
Great job on the comparison! Really helped me out. I tried my friend's Vive gen 1 and got motion sick after ~5 minutes. A lot of people have been saying you just gotta keep using it and it'll get better/normal after awhile. Wondering if you had a similar experience?
Thanks man! Yes I got it pretty bad. Id play about 2 mins then have to lay on the couch for 45 mins and recover LOL. Took about 4-5 days for me to start driving fast. Id say after a week I was able to do barrel rolls in fighter jets and go crazy on the track. No g-force took a while for my brain to comprehend. I've seen some just go crazy in it the first time, some people are built different lol. Pushing through and getting my body to learn it was well worth it though, VR is a blast! Also in my experience better clarity in the headset and 90hz + makes a big difference with motion. Cheers!
@@derekbancarz4530 Thanks for the reply, appreciate it!
Are you sure it's 6.5/10 in graphics with Pimax 8KX? That's like a D grade in school. I don't think I see D graphics in my Pimax 8KX. I was able to get it to run at native 4K super sharp w/ RTX 3090. So your comment about VR graphics should be relative to what graphics card a person is running on. If you run Pimax 8KX w/ a FOV of 120 (instead of 150) degree, the graphics jump to 4K instead of looking at 1080p....that's how big a jump it is...it is super sharp and clear to me....as if i am in that environment. Obviously, nothing can beat triple...but I wouldn't give Pimax 8KX a 6.5 lol. I would say 8/10 for me in Automobilista 2.
I understand you don’t like the Q2, but plenty do which lowers the cost significantly both for headset and video card.
I loved the quest 2! Unbeatable for the price by a long shot. The idea for the video was apples to apples aka $ 1300 monitors vs $1300 headset. Tbh 400 for the quest 2 vs 400 in monitors to budget in ... I think I'd take the quest two on that one for sure.
15:15 hahaha why did u cut it was about to be a huge crash 😂😂
LOL, maybe to hide my fear and lack of driving skills :D
Somehow this video only have 1000 views
Only reason I'm considering to pass to triple after 3 years of racing in vr is comfort. But triple required so much space, so much display port available 😅(I also use my pc for other games on my 34 inches 21 9 monitor). So I'm also considering to buy a Samsung G9 . Sure, less immersion but more easy. Btw In on a I9 10900k and 3080Ti. My headset is a Samsung Odyssey+ now. I've tried a G2 last week but returned it for his small fov, can't race properly and very disappointed.
Thanks for the input! I've actually been using triples pretty often now since I'm doing longer sessions. I raced so long in VR my neck is starting to get sore almost every day. They're super nice to just hop in and practice laps, takes some getting used to though. I say typically VR is a better EXPERIENCE but triples is a better GAMING experience. I'd personally rather run triples than most headsets, the 8kx though once dialed in I enjoy more, but for long practice session I use screens. Waiting on the next generation of headsets, interesting time to be a sim racer. Happy racing man! Hope you find what you're looking for
I Have a G2. You NEED a modded FOV mask then it's good. The original is crap...
Hope you get more views to pay for the triples 😂
Using an 8k myself in ACC 🤯
LOL ya small channel here. I only kept one of the monitors :p sticking with VR for racing! Awesome u got a pimax! Happy racing man :D
Maybe if compared with varjo xr3, the graphics and immersion will be rated 10 for vr.
Quite possible! However then the price point comparison wouldn't quite be fair :p hopefully they can bring that clarity with high FOV one day. Cheers!
The correct answer is both!
well yea, VR is exactly like glasses. glasses are RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES, yet you are not uncomfortable with them, compared to a monitor being in front of your eyes. You LOOK THROUGH VR just like you LOOK THROUGH glasses. Because if you think about it, VR and glasses are both right in front of your eyes, and emit light to your eyes the same way. But with monitors, you look AT them, and it hurts.
Interesting take on that! Yea I've been able to go super long periods of time with comfort in VR personally
Large triple 120hz TVs is better than Pimax. Smoother framerate and lower latency.
use 90hz native mode instead 75
setting that up tonight on the beta firmware! :D
lol
does those pimax headsets cost less than your divorce?
It's totally petty but I just can't get over how stupid people look wearing VR.
I already look like a big enough dork to my wife with a fake steering wheel and pedals. Pretty sure I would lose all respect if I started wearing VR.
LOL I was talking about that with my fiance recently - What if you come down to the basement and see me in a VR and a motion simulator throwing me around. #ProudToBeAWeeb. VR is pretty sweet though, and in the headset, u dont see how ridiculous you look :p cheers man