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How to choose VR headset vs Triple monitors setup! THE REAL DIFFERENCES
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2022
- In this video I try to explain why Virtual Reality is so immersive how it works and why is much more immersive then triple monitors setup for online racing and gaming in general !
Also how to find which is the best for you individually and what are the main differences in those two choices to take the maximum from each option !
The Gear I use here
X-GT Wheel www.simedal.com/?fbclid=IwAR0...
sim racing button box : simracing4u.myonline.store/?f...
Simucube 2 Pro Wheel
Simagic SQ Shifter
SG Racing Pro SQ shifter sg-racing.co.uk/?fbclid=IwAR3W...
Heusinkveld Pro Pedals
SimLab 4 monitors stand
Rosso Sim Racing Curved Audi R8 GT3 wheel
SimRacingBay GT3 wheel SSRG Porsche Cup wheel Plate
Porsche Cup Wheel Fanatec
Fanatec McLaren V2
Bently Steering wheel from SSRG
GoPro Hero 10 Black
Black Magic 4k cinema camera
Dual PC system Specs
AZZA Ragnarok 801 Dual PC Case
Intel i9 10900k
Nvidia RTX 3090
Intel i9 9900k
Nvidia Quadro RTX 4000
iiyama 32inch1440p 144hz 1mls triple screen Setup
Dell 24 inch Pro on top
Simagic SQ Shifter
Fanatec H-Brake
Hsimracing Cooling system
Mirco Seat RS1
Samson G Track Pro Microphon
Favorite sim titles
iRacing
Assetto Corsa Competizione
Automobilista 2
RaceRoom
Dirt Rally
I can't do flatscreen racing anymore. VR is truly incredible. The main thing for me is being able to judge distances and speeds so much better. First few times I was wondering how I was getting so lucky dodging T1 crashes, then it hit me it wasn't luck, I was just able to react quicker because my brain was able to sense direction changes so much more easily.
VR is good, but motion sickness will always hold it back. I still get motion sickness after 3 years of using VR headsets. It has not gone away for me.
@@dtz1000 Damn. Could it be your settings? I know I can't do VR in AMS2 for too long on tracks with elevation changes (Oulton Park for example) because of the way it moves the horizon. I wish there was a way to fix it in place, but it makes me sick. AC doesn't have this issue and I can go for hours.
@@dtz1000 not a problem for most people
100% agreed... Tried trippel screen setup, but its no where near the level of immersion you get from good VR headsets and finetuned settings in the game!
Im using the G2 headset and its incredible! And now with the release of Varjo Aero and the Pimax Crystal the future looks good!
what are you using, valve index is crap :p, used it for 1000 hours, and its too warm with an activity like simracing for me
VR is definitely the future of simracing and gaming in general, we just happen to be at its early stage. But the VR technology will improve just like the GPUs have which present us photorealistic graphics, which many deemed impossible in the past.
Totally agree with you buddy 🤛
I plan to upgrade soon, but so far I'm very satisfied with the Quest 2 and 3060ti. I don't really care about graphics and stuff. Having the depth of field and be able to move the parallax is enough for me to choose it instead of any triples with 240fps and ultra high settings.
I can actually imagine this being ture
sadly enough, technology is there, but the game-engine/applications can't follow. current applications used are simply too taxing for any civilian used PC configuration or you need to go full industrial/military maybe .... open up a budget than 🙂
yes, but 3d monitors are on the way up too. monitors won't always be seen as a "2d flat screen only perception that will never compare with VR"
Great as always!
Actually using VR and my old single screen.
The firt time I use VR all this world change!! Is not perfect but is absolutely incredible.
I used to explain that you are inside the game, part of it. Difficult to imagine if you dont try it.
Now my single screen is use only for special moments with friends around, just because dont need the isolation as you well said.
Thanks for your videos.
I love your voice!!!
I found is very hard to describe what really is VR and that was the reason I start explaining how it works with biology!
For the brain is jut real 😃
I'm someone who doesn't have any of the gear, no racing wheel, no seat, nothing but a ps5, but man, the sim world looks incredible! Your set up is very inspiring.
Motion + VR is amazing! I find my consistency is greatly improved. My depth perception in regards to breaking points, my spacial awareness and just overall immersion with the feeling of G-forces from the motion seat and VR is unmatched. I do however completely agree on the cons you mentioned.
VR for my is just so natural to drive the car , I almost don’t need practice 😃
I'm going to get the 2dof Dofreality setup, and slowly add the upgrades until I have 6dof. I'll first get to feel my acceleration, braking, and steering. Then, I'll add sliding. Finally, I'll get to feel the suspension.
@@TheElvenKeys nice 👍🏻 you won’t regret it. Adds so much more information to the behaviour of the car. Helps to immerse you into the experience.
never had triples but had the chance to use a few setups over the years and I own an index.
VR is a game changer for sim racing. I can race people uncomfortably close compared to my old single screen setup.
Da du in Deutschland wohnst schreibe ich jetzt einfach mal auf Deutsch ;) Für mich bist du DAS Vorbild was Simracing angeht. Oft gucke ich mir einfach so deine Videos an, weil es mich einfach so fasziniert wie viel liebe du da rein gesteckt hast. Deine Videos machen einfach nur Spaß. Ich würde mich sehr über ein normales Rennen von dir freuen, wo man einfach alles genießen kann. Mach bitte weiter so! Dein Content ist mit das beste was ich im Simracing bereich auf RUclips kenne! Mein größten Respekt
In english:
For me you are THE role model when it comes to simracing. I often just watch your videos because I'm so fascinated by how much love you put into it. Your videos are just plain fun. I would be very happy about a normal race from you, where you can just enjoy everything. Please keep it up! Your content is among the best I know of in the sim racing area on RUclips! My greatest respect!
vielen Dank für die Unterstützung Bruder, es bedeutet mir sehr viel
Big hug 🤗
every time i come back to your channel i am shocked about the quality fo your content! keep up the good work
in diesem 12 Minütigen Video lernt man mehr, als in einem Schuljahr XD Danke für deine Mühe und für die Super Videos !!
Agree 100% I have had both and went back for the same reasons you stated. You hit the nail on the head.
Having both is the best way 😃
I jump from time to time in VR now and I can truly enjoy the experience 😁
I had all of those side effect , my first day trying VR I was dumb enough to play the most uncomfortable games and roller coasters, I started to get sick and tried to gut it out. I started sweating like crazy and had a headache for days and a constant whistle in my ears. But I didn't give up and now I can handle anything. I will try iracing with it first time today. Thanks for the video.
1. your content is absolutely mind blowing and as someone who makes video content I have to say you're one of the ones who inspire me. Everything from lighting, to shot angles, movements, edit, colors, and audio is absolute perfection. Thank you for sharing your skills and talents. I agree with everything you said in the video 2. I use mainly VR (Rift S) for my casual sim racing and I gotta say the realism is just pure jaw drop, every single time, every single lap, even now after 2 years it still feels absolutely mind blowing. However it took me around 4 weeks to be able to go around the track at full speed without feeling nauseous, so that was a slow start for me lol 3. I also have a SUW 49 which I tried, used, and LOVED it, so I can imagine how triples like yours would look like. But the sense of immersion and BEING in the actual car is quite a different experience IMO and still nothing beats it. Having said that, if I were to race daily on a usual basis and anything more than a few hours per day I would definitely not recommend VR. The strain on the eye is obvious after long sessions with red-eyes, minor head aches, and eye pain. Keep at it and happy racing ...p.s I am stil waiting for the next gen 3D TVs promised years ago where you no longer need glasses, imagine that for sim racing with triplets wwoww 🤣🤣
Awesome video and awesome advice. I don't have triples yet. Need to measure my space properly and see if it will work. So right now I am racing on a 47" LED TV. 80cm away from my face...feels great...but I know triples is where it is at. I use my VR headset for having fun and like you put it so nicely..."Get lost in that world". Love your content. Glad I subscribed.
I love your attention to detail in your videos! Glad i stumbled across your channel!
Thx for the support buddy 🤛
Such a high quality content, well done! Luckily I dont sweat at all so thats no deal for me. I also dont feel the lag. Maybe I got so used to it. And my rig looks pretty simple, just a OSW and a DIY shifter. So VR all the way for me. One downside for me is that VR glasses have a small sweet spot. So you really have to turn your head to read stuff like lap times etc. I cant forget my first VR experience couple years ago with the Oculus CV1 in iRacing. First track, Laguna Seca. The corkscrew felt so mindblowing. But if I had your rig, I would also go tripple because everything looks so beautiful.
I cannot stress enough, how important your suggestion on taking an immediate break is, when you start feeling VR sickness.
Having handled VR Flightsims very well initially (apart from flat spinning), I was totally overwhelmed by trying VR FPS games. I tried to "push through" and was a wreck for several days, needing way more sleep than my work and family schedule could offer.
I race in VR almost daily now, and have regular IL2 or DCS flying sessions, but I cannot convince myself to ever start a VR FPS game again now.
Thank you for your awesome content, and the detailed explanations on each topic you touch.
Yeh Toby, I’m from the lucky ones and experience something only on my first drive but my computer restarted for some reason and wen I come back that feeling was gone ! Then I try some stupid FPS experience on the oculus at the time moving trough space with joystick and in about 3 minutes I felt like the world collapse! It is such an awful feeling .
I bought a OG Vive in 2017 without any knowing about VR... that blows my mind! Last year i set up a Triple Monitor Setup. It was okay, but far away from VR... Now i have spend more than 7000 hours in VR and wan't miss it! I sold my real racingkart and bought a Motion Rig. In combination with the Reverb G2 and a Powerfull 3090 it feels so close to real race driving.
This was a nicely balanced discussion. I enjoyed this👍🏻
Love the content man. VR all the way, just for the fact of 3D. That alone makes it worth it for me. I think it gives you an advantage. I've only been sim racing for a year (if I'm really lucky an hour or two every few days) and I'm putting up top ten times in AMS2 regularly.
And AMS + VR is absolutely brutal experience 😃
I've only been playing league of legends for a few weeks and I'm in the top 10 of players globally.
You are my Sim-Racing-Guru. You are really an inspirational guy and your Vids are amazing - Thank you really much.
After first time use a VR-Headset in a Simracing game I was completely fall in love with this combination. Even with a Joystick the immersion was fantastic.
Since this experience I am investing in Simracing a lot of time (and Money) and i love it :). I am still a slug on track but its a lot of fun to drive in a AC-League with others.
For me because of no space for triples no way to come away from VR. I have tried it with a single 32" curved, but the immersion of VR is soooo much better. Only the visual quality is a little bit a "fun-breaker" for me.
I am now waiting to get a alpha mini with gt4 wheel and than I am f....g happy with my setup (for now ;)).
Wen I jump in VR first time I’ve said to myself if I’m going to be last in every race I will still use VR and I don’t care 😂
This is magic world and it felt at the time like a crazy dream become true 😃
Big hug Bro 🤗
I was swearing by VR for a year and a half now. It made me feel the car better than before. It made me understand my mistakes. It made me feel what the car feels.
That said, I just got a triple setup going... and im loving it. The sheer comfort. I am in no need of taking brakes when driving (and not nausea, just the warmth, the thing on your head, the sweat, the slight discomfort...) Even alt-tabbing is a problem in VR. On triples, everything is easy. When properly set up, the triples are just amazing as well. It took me almost no time to get my head around them and get on the same level where I was with VR.
VR helped me understand the car, made me faster, but on triples, i feel a lot more comfortable, and with the knowledge i got from the VR, i can push further.
💪❤️
I also just made the change from 8 months of iRacing to VR to triples a couple days ago. Somehow managed to beat some of my personal best times I got on VR with the triples already, and other than it being far more comfortable I am really blown away by the extremely wide field of view. Can actually see where all the cars are around me on triples, whereas in VR you can't see to your sides without moving your entire head to look to the side. Makes me more confident to drive in traffic without the tunnel vision VR gives. I was using VR based on it being the end game solution it seems most seem to rave about, but seems it has too many drawbacks. I find myself quite a bit more immersed with the triple monitors also, due to actually being able to enjoy the crystal clear scenery and not having something putting weight on my face and yanking on facial hair.
My setup is all about VR, although I have a monitor on an arm to swivel for titles that are not VR compatible. I love being fully immersed, and forget about everything else, but I absolutely see the case and need for triples. I don't have too much time on my hands, having 2 little kids, so I don't need it for long periods of time, which works well for any discomforts it may bring.
Lately, since updated UI, my favorite has been RFactor2, which is less demanding on VR than ACC. Hope next year the new batch of graphics cards will actually be available so I can upgrade to get all the eye candy!
Thank you so much for the amazing content you provide!
VR is just incredible world man !
Now I don’t have much time to use it and every time I join the Virtual world that wow factor is back 😃
Absolutely the best channel in my opinion. I love it when he mixes how the body perceives the real environment, VR or triple screens with racing. He apparently has some background about the science of the biology.
Big hug brother 😃
I don’t have science background but I’m very curious and I spend 2 hours daily for years and learn as much as I can for my biology and philosophy/philosophy and try to optimize the quality of my life and love sharing what I’ve learned over the years with friends and you guys here 😃
I can't comment on triples, I would love to try them one day, but VR is just so immersive, and can only get better with headsets that will have high clarity, being able to look into the apex is amazing. Great video yet again mate!
If you already enjoy the VR triples will be like a game for you I guess 😁
The 3D world is just different dimension 💪
A fantastic video. Love the enthusiasm as always...keep it up boss!
Thx Zak 🤛
Happy you enjoyed it buddy
nice video! first time i saw it actually. I also have both VR (Rift S) and triples. AMS2 is amazing in VR, but pretty much everything else requires too much tinkering with settings to get the maximum out of the experience. Eventhough i have a RTX3080ti.
I also have quite a nice simrig, with buttonbox and DDU, it's true you miss all of these when racing in VR.
Quite a nice collection of wheels you have there!
Amazing content as always!!
Thx buddy 🤛
Great content as always 👊 so I'm new to vr been using triples for some time. I set up Acc in vr jumped into a practice session with the lamo after a few laps pulled into the pits & was completely blown away when the pit crew were running around in front of me changing tyre's. For me it felt so real sticking with vr 😍
It is a different world and ACC have so great details! I love going around the car 😁
i know that feeling... and with a few Tewaks ACC looks fine in VR. I luv it too!
I don't always watch RUclips channels, but when I do, I watch Race Beyond Matter.
Much love brother 🤗
What a setup man! INSANE!🙏
Thx bro 😁
Absolutely brilliant 👍👍. Been racing all day on AMS2 and just finished a 1 hour stint in VR 😁. I'm gonna refuel (burger & chips) and go again - watching your channel is so bad,,,,, your so bad, your so inspiring 😁👍😁👍. I love all the Vids you do. Keep up the brilliant work.
AMS2 in VR and is such a brutal experience man ! Having 24h race conditions with on Nordschleife going trough all the efforts is just incredible experience!
Great informative Video!Keep the good staff. About the input lag you are talking about in VR ,you can apply offset = no lag.If you dont have motion , you do relay to drive from what the ffb tells you + picture - in the end you need that sens to be oversaturated ! to fill that empty feeling of not feeling g-forces or some movements of the chassis(because in the end your steering input is couzed of what body is telling to your brain where the chassis is moving).If you get a blind men they have increased hearing abilities due to the fact that they cant see.the same is in sim-racing with oversaturated DDs torque(you compensate due to lack of body feeling). Beside that frames goes with the ffb , so in tripples you can go higher fps=more ffb per frames but if the game engine like Iracing sends 60hz (you get 60fps=60 frames with ffb) ,ofc you can you use irFFB to multiplied.About the resolutions of VR that all ppl are talking . Think about something ,before 20 years the TVs availble on the market was with less resolution then the actual Vrs , and we didnt find them pixalated , thats because the pucture sent to them was equal or less to the resolution that they can project- even if they pushed above it was slitly.I have this conclusion after testing by reducing track/car resolution with Oclus CV1.Thas my 50cents - happy driving
Thank you so much for that post man 🤛
excellent video. i just switched over to VR and it's amazing!! better than 3 monitors in my opinion
thank you for your insight, i'm a beginner slowly building up a humble sim setup. been using my quest 2 for most of my racing because it was the best option i have right now to get a decent race going (my only gaming monitor is a small 24" monitor) and for the most part i do quite like the quest 2 for VR experience, althoug now with more time spending racing, I'm starting to really struggle with certain aspects of VR (or at least the quest 2) namely comfort of wearing, actual graphics (the quest 2 graphics are really bad compared to a screen), and seclusion from the outside world. been really considering making the plunge to a triple monitor setup instead of investing in a better VR headset. but wasn't sure if it would be worth it or if i would end up disappointed with the end result. but seems like most people share the same conclusion that triple has many advantages over VR except for the total immersion.
great content and what an amazing setup!
First time I tried VR was with a racing game and I got VR Sickness pretty quickly because I wasn't focusing on the drive I was too busy looking around at the world in awe. I enjoy VR now but more often just play on a single 32 inch curved display. One of these days I may get triples. I'm sure I would love it.
Having both worlds is is the best 😃💪
This is actually one of the things I have been really torn on. An oculus quest and link cable right now, just to give VR on the PC a shot, isn't that expensive. I'd be able to give it a go and see how I like the immersive experience. I've run triple screens before and love it, but I always had complaints about how narrow the view was vertically.
I'll keep this video in mind when I do decide to take the plunge and try out both setups again. I just got myself a cockpit and direct drive wheel, so this is probably the best time to figure out which I prefer more.
Great explained buddy!
It's just like when you are on a big boat, with the difference that we feel the motion, but the eyes detect no movement. I was açtually motion sick for 15 hours after my first try in VR.. But it was too good, so I kept going back every day for 14 days.😅
After that I've never been motion sick.🎉😃👌
I've gotten both faster, safer and more competitive one track since I got VR do to like you say, depth perception, spatial awareness and how natural it feels to drive in VR.💪😍👌
That was great comparison with the boat buddy 😃
I use to travel with big ships for 12-16 hours trips wen I live in island and ones I travel in crazy storm and got sick for few minutes and now I understand why 🤭😁😁
As I’ve told you many times , for me VR is a dream
Another great video brother…and a nice science lesson as well👍
Thx brother 🤗 happy you enjoyed it 😃
I'm driving on 32" 4K and Oculus Rift. Your explanation ist just perfect. VR for Immersion better Carrfeling and positioning. Monitor for longer Races.
My dream would be to try the HP Reverb G2, because this one should have the clearest View (on VR under 1k). But I can wait a little more time for falling Prices for GPUs.
I also driving GT Sport on PS5, would be crazy if the new PS VR2 will also work with PC ... time will show.
Very helpful video. Thank you so much.
Since a couple of days I use the Varjo Aero. Truly unbelievable experience, insane!!
That must be amazing indeed 😃
I had a bad motion sickness from vr, 5mins and i felt very sick, what helped me was to drive in tracks with minimum elevation changes, and adjust the graphics so the fps dont drop below 70. I still get motion sickness if i drift for about 20mins but can race for over an hour without problem. Hope it helps anyone having motion sickness.
Thx for sharing buddy 🤛
I wonder if it ever changed for you? I'm using vr for few years now and have no issues in sims, doesnt matter which track and i can race for 2-3h (at that point quest battery is dead, getting new cable with charging splitter). In the beggining i had huge issues playing fps games, only teleporting around helped. Right now i can comfortobly play HL Alex with fluid motion on controller joystick.
Great video, I'm celebrating 💪 I think you have to try vr for sure
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Iracing new support to OpenXR gives very nice performance boost for VR headsets supporting it. With AMS2 and ACC you need to use OpenComposite and toolkit then to modify picture shown but performance benefits are also clear. ACC allready almost starts to be in limit to be playable with VR :)
Holy shit !!!!!
When I suggested you do a video like this on your last video I had no idea what a mind like yours might create.
Without doubt the best, most intelligent and reasoned exploration or VR vs triples I have ever seen.
Informative, intelligent and able to relate to what people want / need / dream about.
KUDOS!!
You managed to sum up and actually address all of the things that I had wrestled with in choosing which direction to go. Personally I have gone with a scary ' all in ' investment on enhancing my rig with a full VR with an Aero.
You describe exactly why perfectly!
The nightmare is you also tease the idea of what it would be like to experience the immersive real world environment you have created…
For a while that will have to wait as the detail you have created is immense.
One day I hope I may do it
This video proves to me you with out doubt are the best Sim racing channel out there- everyone else has a LOT to learn from your approach
Thank you!
( BTW how is the Patreon coming on??? )
First thank you so much for reminding me last time about that topic and as a huge fan of the VR world I had to discuss this !
I create lost videos from the environment I build but if I had personally only single choice for the rest of my life , VR will be my choice without a doubt!
For me VR is like dream become true 😁
Thank you for the beautiful post too buddy and I haven’t had the time to check how it works with the Patreon but I will set one at some point for sure I promise 🤗
@@chepilevski Its so interesting that you personally love the VR experience - yet you have the patience to build a triple rig for such amazing content creation .. i am impressed.
For me from the day I put on a VR headset - i never looked back, I had been watching VR tech since the 90's but it never really delivered, But now! oh WOW it broke the uncanny valley a couple of years ago and has just gone crazy since, The ability to use the stereoscopic /depth perception to intuitively find lines and apexes that I personally cant do on flats because i feel i am playing a game.
I used to drive a 205 gti in forest spec for rally and it brings everything back in such a visceral real experience
we are lucky to be living in a golden agedevelopment
You should definitely contact VARJO to get a review headset. I would love to know what you think. and yes my friend you should be able to do this professionally and focus on what you can do. ( if you are not already )
PATREON ;)
you
well you tube truly mangled that reply !!! 🙄
I would love to see what you think about motion - they will be lining up to offer you a rig
and do more of the stuff about how to get better - you apply a totally different approach that is like finding gold on the ground
I am a brand consultant for some pretty big companies and I would be very happy to chat to you about building your brand :)
@@marcp5099 I hungry for knowing and ideas Marc and I would love to have conversation with you and absorb everything I can 😃
@@chepilevski lets make it happen then 👍
Just do both, VR and triples, it's what we all love anyway :) .. also best sim racing channel in the known universe!
That the best way man 😁 having both words it gives me the full pleasure of every choice 💪
Big hug buddy
VR completely changes the game literally, especially in the sim world, both racing and flight sim! Would love to see you try the Varjo Aero and give us your impressions of that headset, I'm sure you'll see a huge improvement over the Index
Man , I don’t think there was bigger upgrade I ever felt then joining the VR and see first time some of my favorite cars and track from inside 😃 just dream become true 😁
I must the Varjo team and ask them to send one for test indeed!
The Varjo is a beautiful headset but it has a very huge flaw, it lacks any form of motion smoothing. For a headset with such resolution and clarity motion smoothing is a almost a necessity to have a fluid experience. Maybe for flight sims you can also do without as you deal with gentler movements, but for sim racing I doubt even the most experienced of users can run a full race without feeling sick or having problems with input lag because of such a lack.
@@lavir74 I have found Varjo to be allot smoother than my G2, even when not locked at 90 it’s still considerably smoother than any other headset I’ve tried, there is no motion smoothing at the moment but don’t no if it’s just the clarity than makes it feel so smooth below 90fps
Motion smoothing would only be useful if you can't reach the target fps of your headset natively. A beefy gpu can run 90+ fps in vr without motion smoothing, do the aero would be completely fine without it.
@@sincity_steve yes in an ideal world, but hardware is a bottleneck for VR at moment, sims like ACC u can’t hold a stable 90fps, even iRacing you get some dips at times, I think with the new 4000 series Gpu we will see a massive leap in VR performance
I feel like I've been tricked into learning and it's a good feeling. Thank you.
Interesting point about latency! I went from pretty rapid triples and got immediately faster with VR, though, I found the VR experience so much closer to driving my track car so perhaps that's the reason. Nontheless, brilliant video :)
It is little difference and can be noticeable only if you test side by side but as you said , in VR I can hit my times instantly and with monitors I need some laps !
VR just connect much easier with our biology 😃
@@chepilevski very true! (Also, perhaps a 41 year old GT-car disguised as a race car is the equivalent of a few ms of latency ;) )
i started sim racing because i bought an oculus, over the years i got tired of the quality of life issues with VR, i transitioned to an ultrawide then to triples, ended up back on the ultrawide for reasons, i am glad i gave up VR though as i am much happier on screens, i now have a single 43" 4k monitor and love the extra vertical screen size
Hey Steylian.
As always amazing high quality Content both informationwise and productionwise. You know i love your work as a creator and the style you havbe in creating your videos.
For me its triples all the way, mostly because i tend to race purely Endurance Races in competative leagues and i cant stand the eyestrain and heat under a VR Headset for double or even triple stints. But imersivewise VR is unbeatable and when the newer generations get much crispier image quality it will get even better.
PLeas never stop what youre doing and as always a hug, much love for you and your family and a great rest of the week my brother.
I know exactly what you mean bro and honestly right now I’m using triples 95% of the times which make the VR super immersive every time I join for fun the virtual world and experience that wow factor!
As you said , racing long stints is a torture 😁
Best wishes brother 🤛
Interesting points. It comes down to personal preference but for me it is VR 100%. The immersion is unreal, the sweat, heat and discomfort is something I experience in my real life race car so I was blown away how close it was with a VR head set. Combined that experience with a motion sim, you have pretty well tricked your brain to get you in the zone. Absolutely no way playing on a flat screen anymore.
VR and motion rig is awesome and removes some of the bodies disbelief which can cause sickness. No g forces but feeling the bumps and curbs is excellent.
Absolutely 🤛
VR all the way. I don’t quite get the latency you describe and I am way quicker in VR than on screens. I’m lucky that I don’t sweat and my fan system keeps it comfortable. Your con tho of the isolation of VR is actually a pro for me. Locking me into the cockpit of a car without worrying or getting distracted with what’s going on around me is a huge help for concentration and immersion. While I love your setup I agree most of it is not useful if you can’t see it. I’m going to move to a hybrid system that way I have both but I generally just can’t give up the depth perception especially when I’m in packs of cars it all feels better just feeling the distance between things in VR.
I totally understand what you mean and if personally have only one choice, VR is the way to go 100%
That feeling of seating actually in the car is next level of immersion and I believe VR is best upgrade not just for sim but gaming in general 😃
And as you’ve said , I’m still faster in VR even if I can feel that latency switching from triples to VR and I believe the awareness of the positioning the car makes me more precise and in racing , close fight is much more easier for me ! But again, I have seen people doing better on screens so I guess we are different 😁
what kindo of vr do you have ? ;]
At first I thought I was going to be able to handle it but it seems that it's going to take quite some time 😅
Great video, thank you for the information.
Just take your time buddy 🤛
Awesome as always bro! I'm slowly getting into VR, had my Pimax 8K plus for some time now but still struggling to get a sharp picture, it's the only thing putting me off. Pimax are doing a trade in later this year for their new 12k headset, will be interesting to see if the current GPU's can run it :).
Oh god Danny , 12k in VR for the current games and tech will be really harsh I believe but I’m very very exited for the future of this technology 😃
It took 15-20 minutes a day for about a week to get over my VR sickness now I can have 8 hour sessions without issue. Still close my eyes during a spin out as going backwards in VR makes my stomach lurch lol
I’m still turning my head the opposite side just before heat the walls 😂😂😂
Great video as usual and very well put 👌🏽 For me personally, I realised what resolution snob I am when I tried VR. I just can’t deal with the small focus point and overall lack of quality for sustained period compared to my triple 2k 32’s. I just enjoy doing a few hotlaps in VR for some fun and immersion but am not interested in actually racing in VR at all.
Having both worlds is a blast 😁
Which vr headset you tried? Nowdays there a few really Sharp Headsets aviable.
You have some good points there. I am racing in vr. (Started with one Screen - but that was not enougth) since I don't have to space I went for VR. It's impressive how less space you need if you drive in VR. But you need real good hardware to get perfect results. Unfortunately I also like to build stuff, so I can't see it. But will you where talking I realized to best simracing setup would be AR - with that you can enjoy your Rig and the best 3D view.
But as always there are pro's and con's for both. I can also enjoy a 6h session without a break.
BTW: If you have trouble with motion sickness - set everything up to get a CONSTANT framerate (the highest framerate your VR can handle).
For me having both worlds now is like a dream! I found myself using mostly the triples and joining VR from time to time is just brutal experience 😃
The most comfy headset so far for me is the pico 4, high res, has a built in fan and don’t sweat, combined with yaw2 motion rig, motion plus vr should be the end goal for any sim racer. Going up the mountain in Bathurst feels so real because of the yaw2 has the most degrees of pitch and roll for its price point. Going almost sideways on a banked turn is surreal. Now I just need a wind kit and bass shakers to complete.
What is with these yaw2 stans? That kickstarter has been a massive cluster F and most people havent even got their device. How did you get one and why do you seem oblivious to these issues? And no you don't go "almost sideways", your whole comment reeks of BS.
Be interesting to
Know your point of view 12 months later as there new headsets out and new graphics cards out too! 😊
I really liked that science explanation lol
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Great video :)
I race on A curved monitor myself & VR :) & Both are great in their own way :)
But there is just something special, with being "in" the car 🤩🤩
I feel exactly like you but if for some reason I have only one choice for the rest of my life I will give up all I build around my cockpit and take the VR 😃 that’s just how I personally feel about the virtual world 😃
Thank you 👍
VR and simulation in any kind of cockpit are a perfect match. Also, putt putt golf is great too. haha
VR is a dream become true 😃
A big advantage that people forget with vr is that you can move your head. That means that you can move your head sideways to look around the a-pillar or the halo in an open-wheeler. That makes a big difference to triples in my opinion
I always felt much more comfortable in VR and the head movement is just natural!
The physical FOV may be smaller but with the freedom is just unlimited 😁
After a while I get unconfortable behind the eye, no motion sickness. Will I adapt to this? I had to stop using it for 3 day straight..
You persuaded me to give VR another try. Thanks.
Driving the Nurburgring for 90 minutes without wrecking seems impossible to me. One day…
It is fun bro 😃 I hope you enjoy it 🤛
I personally dont have experience racing on flat screnes because i was straight into vr, but i do have experience with flying on both a d i can say without a doubt i would never go back to flat screens on the flying, its just so much more real feeling.
As a VR user I can say it would be impossible for me to go back to monitors. Also your channel is best no doubt about that.
I never had binocular vision, my world is flat all the time. On the flip side I don't really have to make a decision here, triple monitor is the way to go. I do have a VR headset for Beat Saber and such but never felt comfortable driving, my lap times an cosistency took a big hit, and I'm pretty slow to begin with.
This channel is a gem btw, thanks for the awesome content!
Thanks for the kind words buddy 🤗
Great work, superb video as always. But you just confused me more than ever. I am on VR right now for lack of space, but it is evident that I need a Triple setup also. My wife is not happy with you.
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Tell you wife she need a happy husband 😁
Tell her family is like a car and the man in the family is the engine and engine with bad fuel it doesn’t work well but if you put some boost in the fuel it flys and makes everyone happy around 😁
Great explanation on VR vs Triples. For met it's VR now. Why? Indeed, the immersiveness. I don't care too much about all the buttons and stuff, or I would have to go as far as you before I would be satisfied. And man, that's a damn project. So maybe it's a form of protection to not go down that route. I would be broke 🙂
I just want to feel like I am really in the car. For me VR has that more than triples. I want to get the feeling that I am going downhill or uphill, seeing that depth. When I turn my head there's a car next to me, the image changes when I turn my head.
The current image (Reverb G2) is good an enormous improvement to say 3 years ago. But I would really love VR with a bigger Field of view (Pimax is no good imho) and with a larger sweetspot. I have to turn my head too much currently , and the clarity and reaction times of the view should be improved. So can't wait for that to happen.
Hey just wana say I’m a big you and boosted media have inspired to go full on into the Iracing actually busy getting my setup hopefully ready soon 👌
Some great times are coming your way bro 😃
@@chepilevski I can not wait bro I’ve been using the Logitech G920 and playing forza 7 after this last view months of watching the iracing got me hooked going fanatec and Vr Hp gen 2 🙏u really inspired me as well
There's no sweating in VR while driving if you get the attachment fans that blow air down on your face. This attachment is available on the Quest2 so YMMV. It's subtle but it works.
From the first minute I put on a VR headset I loved the sensation of movement. I wonder what makes people different in that respect?
Cool video!!
I started with one screen. That didn't satisfy me.. Then I bought VR glasses and wow..!! The immersion is unbeatable! I am sure there is nothing better in connection with motion and tactile feedback. I could sit a little lower, was a little faster and was able to estimate lateral distances much better. However, it was very hot and rather unsuitable for people who wear glasses. Even with contact lenses it was not optimal. And most importantly, you don't see the periphery. You know my rig, I'm just as crazy as you are, that's why I ride triple screen now and I'm totally happy. But it's not out of the question that I'll buy VR glasses again.. :)
I love your rig and your passion Anna and I can imagine how you felt in your favorite Ferrari seating first time in that virtual world 😃
Having little more stylistic glasses as yours is definitely incompatible with the VR headset and is definitely f… hot !
There are by the way companies who can create compatible lenses for your specific needs if you give your details !
Let’s see what the future will bring as VR is incredible technology but I know you enjoy interacting with your beautiful environment 💪
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Thank you :) Yes, I have already read that there are such lenses for VR glasses. I don't currently have VR, but if I ever buy one again I'll definitely order lenses to go with it.
I live my vr and will never change it lol. Love ya bro. I also have wind sim running along side it with out it vr is dam hot
VR is a dream brother 🤩
Just say that I bought a vive pro 2, this is in my opinion the biggest upgrade that I never seen in video games! As a driver, I complety see the sim games in a different way: before I had the feeling that sim games were real about their behavior but I found always really diffuclt to feel what speed you are, how the road is, how the brakes work good or not... I was always too fast on new tracks! But now, I drive as in realty, you know this feeling that you can push so much more but you know that you are not a pilote so you prefer to be carefull ;) I feel my car when she slides, she bounces or move a really little bit ! (Sorry for my english, je parle baguette de Paris)
I know exactly what you are talking about Paul 😃
I feel in the exact same way !
As a VR user and a person who sweats a lot in general - I tend to have a bit different experience in that regard. I've raced with Rift S, and it was manageable but tough.
Then I switched to Quest 2 - and surprisingly it does not generates _that_ much heat. I've done VLN solo in VR and it was quite comfortable. Of course after 5 hours I needed to change my socks too, but that's kind of expected when you drive for 5 hours )
Thanx for sharing your experience buddy ❤️
I had some problems with the original headstrap for quest 2, so sometimes i got foggy lenses. I then bought a Elite-strap copy on amazon for like $30, which sits nicely on my head, and with this strap if it gets really warm, I can flip the quest 2 up a bit so its not directly to my face, making a little opening at the bottom, but not so much it will let a lot of light in.
thank you again DUDE!!!!!! i want try vr so bad!!!!!
Excellent video and yes, I have fallen out of my chair playing certain titles thinking I could lean on something that wasn't there. While playing those kinds of experiences in VR, you do have to tell yourself "it isn't real" every so often. For sim racing, I love VR, I got a Reverb G2 V2 (black friday sale) and the visuals just blow my Valve Index out of the water, for me, there is that much of a difference, the G2 is just stunning but also requires a fairly beefy PC to use it at it's full SteamVR resolution. I'm not a serious sim racer, just get in and drive kind of thing but I like VR enough that I sold my triples years ago. Don't get me wrong, for really long sessions (endurance racing) I would prefer triples just for the comfort aspect, but for the short sessions I do, VR all the way Baby! LOL
All awesome and helpful information as your situation is similar to mine regarding the play and gear (I want an HP Reverb G2 - what price did you get it for on the Black Friday sale?), except I don't have triples. And I do want to get into a bit of competitive racing, but more like online ranked races, not spending my entire life playing.
@@JoMaMaz I'm in Canada, so the G2 was on sale for $600 and had a red banner at the top of the page saying save $50 if you use the listed code at checkout. My Black Friday price was $550 (free delivery) from the HP site (regular price was $850). In the USA, it would be much cheaper than this. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada, our motto here is..... "Bend over" LOL
@@jackr.749 Thank you for taking the time to respond! :)
And, yes, I've had online gaming friends from Canada, so I have heard of the unfortunate high prices you guys have to pay for stuff from here. From an American, I'm sorry about that! I hope you're enjoying the headset! :)
@@JoMaMaz Indeed I am very much enjoying the G2V2, for sim racing, the clarity of the visuals and the Index like audio is amazing, for general VR stuff, the controllers are it's weak point, they feel uncomfortable, un-balanced no capacitive touch, in other words, they are just cheaply made. The problem most run into is the computer hardware required to run the G2, SteamVR sets it's resolution at 3160 x 3092 per eye at 100% res, even though all the sim are not well optimized for VR, going down to 70% resolution can help the FPS while still looking really good in the headset. I'm running a Ryzen 5900x with a FTW3 3080ti and racing sims will bring this hardware to it's knees with the G2. LOL
@@jackr.749 Glad to hear you're enjoying it! Yes...I'm looking at upgrading my ancient PC, and, yeah...it's not looking pretty for the price if I would want to run the G2 with high settings for sim racing. :/ It sounds like the new GPU cards may be able to do quite well, but there is always the "when will they come out," and of course, the cost will always go up WAY higher than the already high price listed. *rolls eyes*
This video is well worth a second look. I keep my Q2 for fun races, when I just want to drive! The sweat problematic is killing me. 🤪 Cant wait to switch from TV to triples though! Have a good weekend Chepi! 🫡 edit: where can I give a 2nd thumbs up?!
Haha much love brother 😁
Having both choices is the optimal for sure and I hope you will have the triples soon buddy 💨
Having raced with triple CRT monitors and TrackIR about 30 years ago i have to say VR really changed my POV (LOL) The BIG negative for VR is that 1) it takes a while to get used to and for your brain to learn 2) you need the best GPU money can buy 3) It will take a lot of patience to get the best graphics setting for each sim 4) if you dont put on your HMD the right way even with all the former points correct without that sweetspot it was all wasted time and money.....But once you get it all right you are in another world. I often step out of my car in the pits and just go to the pit wall and watch the cars go by...LOL I LOVE THE FUTURE !!
First time with VR was one of my most incredible experiences in my life!
I do those walks too buddy 😁
Some games are not compatible with VR. Do you have any experience using an emulator like VorpX to run such games?
As a scientist/engineer, learning about neuroscience with regards to a fun sport makes retention of information much more intuitive.
Excellent informative and unbiased video. Got a sub from me
Welcome onboard buddy 😁❤️
im so hyped for gt 7 and i hope psvr 2 come out soon after or end of this year.
i love vr games
VR is the future for me 😃
So what about Triples with Track IR for example. ? Best of both ? Tracks head movement like VR
i have 3x 27inch screens but since i have VR i never use the screens i always race with VR if VR-battery is empty i don't want to go further with the screens, when i search for a new game it has to have VR capability
Comfort question: What PCVR headset is a comfortable as the PSVR2?
I race in VR daily for at least 2-4 hours and more when time is permitted. I live in a hot country and sure, it can get pretty hot in the VR HMD however, I have a large Hatari 3 speed fan that is height adjusted to blow are directly at my HMD. Now I never sweat and no, I do not use my aircon. Easy remedy, try it and see.
I love VR and I think it will be much better in future. High resolution in VR makes a difference. We are still far away from "retina" resolution in headsets. Micro OLED will also improve immersion during night time racing. And hopefully we will get much vider field of view in future as well.
I’m so excited for the future of this tech man 😃 It is dream become true for me 😃
My first VR experience in a racing game was the nordschleife, what I noticed immediately is that I tried to keep my head still. It took a few turns before I actually started moving my head.
Yeh , it is monitors habit but quickly become natural movement 😃
Most of my friends get sick from VR. Took me some time to get used to it too. Now, every time I drive on any rig without VR, it's just not the same.
VR also feels like a helmet, to me the only con is the sweat.
Love the content mate, keep it up!
That’s how it feels to me to buddy 🤛
Just picked a VR headset up. Complete gamechanger. I tried a sim inbetween actually being in the racecar. Working on optimizing my settings still but it’s close
I have not raced in VR since the DK2 days so it may be different for me now (better GPU better headsets) . I could race ovals fine but road courses made me sick even if I didn't get sick it just made me feel off for a while. I even tried motion sickness pills and the little patch behind the ear people take when they go on boats. Funny thing is I can live on boats with no problem. Really just got back into sim racing heavier this year and ordered triples this week. Might grab a used headset to try it again.
VR helps me get my daily dose of F1 and GT-Racing. Fortunately I usually don’t get motionsickness. Next I’ll get a full motion platform hopefully motionsickness will be a thing of the past?
VR and full motion can teleport you in different dimension indeed 😃 and it helps a lot with the motion sickness 🤛
VR is indeed unbeatable on immersion with the wow effect of "BEING INSIDE THE GAMES" O_o !
Now regarding the latency, you have by today much better response times that can compare to the monitors, it will also relies on the game as well.
And the best is that if you still want to enjoy your car setup around you, you are now having the Quest Pro with mixed reality that allows you to see around yourself if required and you can switch dinamically or define a portion to see.
Edit: Expanding the answer further you have already software that allows this and use the camera that your headset has, but the Quest Pro has a much better Mixed Reality camera and support to see better. But yeah indeed you will have to customize the experience to enjoy both.
Great video, loved the introduction explaining how we perceive the world through your eyes.
Cheers!
Hello. Can you recommend PCVR with low latency and good for sim racing? My budget range about the same price as Quest 2.