1 of 1 Bugatti Engine Midget Race Car 1936 - Ivan's Shed

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
  • Join us as we take a look at Ivan's 1936 Bugatti Engine Midget Racing Car, see the build process and hear it run for the first time in around 80 years.
    Made originally in 1936 by Caruso and recently restored by Ivan Dutton.
    Photos at Retromobile Paris Credited to:
    - Nicky Paul Baron
    - Thierry Lesparre
    0:00 Intro
    0:57 How It Started
    2:38 The Car
    4:27 Prepping The Engine
    12:31 Fitting The Starter
    15:24 Finishing Touches
    18:49 Starting The Car
    22:23 Why It All Started
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Комментарии • 151

  • @shanehnorman
    @shanehnorman 2 года назад +5

    As a fan of American hot-rods and dragsters since my teens, it was heartening to learn of Ivan's respect for the men who built, and still build, those machines. At the same time, his enthusiasm is hardly surprising; his approach to building competition cars applies the same essentials - guesswork and grit.

  • @captainclever.radioyachtin7950
    @captainclever.radioyachtin7950 3 года назад +4

    I could watch these episodes for ever. I learned my trade in the 70s. Its so good to relive the days of these mechanical masterpieces and observe the genius of men like Ivan. I remember my mates dad who was a renound engineer always had a collection of Harleys, offenhouser engines and miniature steam locos in his shed. People chased him down just to ensure their pride and joy had had a sprinkle of his fairy dust on their machine. Such a good time to have lived and observed men like this.
    Steve, NZ

  • @slartybartfarst9737
    @slartybartfarst9737 3 года назад +3

    Common sense on piston clearances...warm the bugger up....genius....Ive just started out re-boring motorcycle cylinders and I will be doing this just to check, thanks Ivan......and the stories just makes this the best channel....love it

  • @miketaylor8049
    @miketaylor8049 3 года назад +6

    This has become one of my favorite channels... You my good man are surely one of England’s national treasures ... Thanks for sharing your lifetime of knowledge with us....

  • @theophilhist6455
    @theophilhist6455 3 года назад +10

    So happy to hear this gentleman's appreciate of the history of midget racing in America. Being able to remember events from the late 1950 with watching the ARDC and "Dutch" Schaffer and Len Duncan battle the bull rings of New Jersey ...to seeing the great Mel Kenyon..Bob Tattersall...even AJ Foyt, and Don Branson and the likes of USAC score wins on Indiana dirt and asphalt.....to the insane big twin 50 event at Trenton Speedway's mile and a half track back in 1973 (?) ....midgets ruled the racing world with creativity and grit.

  • @Draxindustries1
    @Draxindustries1 3 года назад +22

    This is a big two fingers up to other so called precision engineers who would turn their nose up to Ivans trial and error methods. Everything this guy does seems to work just fine.
    Good work Ivan!
    Greeting from Russia.. ❤️

    • @markscully2342
      @markscully2342 3 года назад +1

      trial and error refined by at least 50 years of practice!

    • @brucegreaves3204
      @brucegreaves3204 Год назад +1

      Ingenuity and common sense will get you a long way in life and he proves it. Great stuff

  • @ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm
    @ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm 2 года назад +2

    100% total quality = shed sure is good - who need`s all the expensive tools and exact machines ! - i like hand made shed craftsmanship ! thank you sir .

  • @AntonHoward-mx9sb
    @AntonHoward-mx9sb 6 месяцев назад +1

    Ivan is like the Fred Dibner of vintage racing 😊

  • @fredmahar5431
    @fredmahar5431 3 года назад +3

    Just a Bugatti race car with a Mura sitting casually in the background.....priceless!.....love these videos 👍

  • @markmathews6876
    @markmathews6876 3 года назад +7

    That thing is a real credit to you boys , a blooming work of art

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 3 года назад +1

    Amazing engine, engineering, history, car and men. What a privilege to see.
    And flippin' funny.

  • @christopherbaltazar8317
    @christopherbaltazar8317 3 года назад +29

    Lovely videos Ivan! The history lessons you give really adds a nice touch.

  • @frogman8591
    @frogman8591 3 года назад +3

    I have been enjoying your videos. It is nice to hear the affection you have for American
    racers and racing. We feel the same way about you British old car fans. You do such a
    fabulous, museum-quality job , sometimes in a tiny garden shed...really impressive.

  • @colinrogers8649
    @colinrogers8649 3 года назад +16

    Lovely stuff Ivan. my dad was a sign writer and the shot of your man's brush box took me back to his shop as a kid in the early fifties and brought a lump to my throat. Quite agree about things as they were done in the day. Things are more precise now but that doesn't mean you can't get by and make things work well.

    • @frogman8591
      @frogman8591 3 года назад +2

      Colin, for me, some good hand lettering, done by a pro. looks better than even pen-striping.

  • @msf60khz
    @msf60khz Год назад

    I have filed the wrong size big end caps on a Ford Popular engine until they were a good fit and the engine ran perfectly, so I just love Ivan's work shop videos.

  • @Gscalenut
    @Gscalenut 3 года назад +2

    Channel discovered by chance. What a beautiful car. Ivan's commentary is classic. One is able to sense his dedication and love for his cars.

  • @asciimation
    @asciimation 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for showing practical methods of how to do things with vintage cars where there are no manuals or instruction books. Am loving the just make it work approach to things but still keeping it period.

  • @phila3884
    @phila3884 3 года назад +5

    You are doing a great service sharing your vast experience with pre-war racing cars with rest of us lot (as you Brits call us)- an American fan. Keep 'em coming!

  • @paulhelman2376
    @paulhelman2376 Год назад

    Don Lockwood told me owned the car in To Please A Lady and he recalled that it was not as fast as it looked. We were both members of the Illinois Model Aero Club which Don had joined in 1921. Don ran midget racers in the 1930's around Chicago some of which were run indoors in local armories.

  • @chrisbird2458
    @chrisbird2458 3 года назад +5

    Absolutely Brilliant .🇬🇧

  • @jimmybryan6760
    @jimmybryan6760 2 года назад +1

    Back in those days the car was tow started using a rope tied to the tow vehicle, then wrapped once around the front axle, then the end held by the race driver. Once the engine fired the driver released the rope and it uncoiled as the tow vehicle drove off

  • @Yosemite_Sam
    @Yosemite_Sam 3 года назад +10

    Lamborghini Muira in the garage. Amazing workshop practices with highly experienced people.

    • @Olli-mb9tt
      @Olli-mb9tt 3 года назад

      My first real Miura, besides the Corgy-Toys one of my brother or on match-cards, i have seen, was in 1972 I think. It stood in front of a garage/filling station in our little town. Both the front and rear hood were open. I didn´t know the reason why. I live in western Germany on the southern end of the Ruhrgebiet Ruhr-area. It was in Ennepetal, home of BILSTEIN shock absorbers. Maybe the Miura had something to do with them. - I´m looking forward to see more of the Miura on Ivan´s channel !

    • @jimmypopp2695
      @jimmypopp2695 3 года назад +1

      I thought that was what that was. I was looking for the eyelashes.

    • @markscully2342
      @markscully2342 3 года назад

      @@jimmypopp2695 the later ones don't have the eyelashes (apparently they were too dangerous for type approval)

    • @markscully2342
      @markscully2342 3 года назад

      and its In one of my favourite colours too!

  • @MrHobbit60
    @MrHobbit60 3 года назад +22

    This is absolutely my new favourite channel! So glad that RUclips put the Lotus 7 video in my suggestions. Great engineering, great commentary, great cars - what's not to loke?

  • @user-fb9os7hy2y
    @user-fb9os7hy2y 3 года назад +1

    All skill no pretence..just what you tubes been missing..thanks for your time Ivan 👍

  • @vincentbyron7086
    @vincentbyron7086 3 года назад +1

    Proper engineering lads .Simple but beautiful .

  • @nikolaslarson6891
    @nikolaslarson6891 3 года назад +1

    The fumes don’t really bother anyone, do they? Absolutely lovely! Another generation. No fears whatsoever, only passion.

    • @betacam235
      @betacam235 3 года назад

      I wondered if that was Castrol 'R' smoke?

  • @drumnbass37
    @drumnbass37 3 года назад +9

    Love the content, keep it up!!!

  • @Lucky_Red_Fish
    @Lucky_Red_Fish 2 года назад

    Ivan we love both you and John, you two are the bees knees on RUclips.

  • @shedbythetracks
    @shedbythetracks 3 года назад +14

    Keep them coming! I had one of those Model T diffs apart and together so many times last summer I lost count... It works, but I'm still not sure I did it right . Some where down the road it will let me know.. ha ha..

    • @ChristianDeGiuliBotta
      @ChristianDeGiuliBotta  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for your support on our videos. Glad you’re enjoying them!

  • @jean-francoisprieur3600
    @jean-francoisprieur3600 2 года назад

    Thank you Ivan

  • @oldschool1993
    @oldschool1993 3 года назад +4

    When I was racing a Lotus 23 in 1969, a friend built his own sports racing chassis, which was all monocoque aluminum and he took a 2.4 Jaguar motor and cut off 2 of the cylinders to get to the 2 litre limit. He was a real craftsman, but unfortunately he had too many innovations going at one time and the project never was competitive.

  • @stuff0music
    @stuff0music 3 года назад +1

    I bought a Norton G15 from a crackhead many years ago. It was all in boxes and to my surprise after a closer look at the bashed up petrol tank I spotted Non Dutch signature with 64 beneath it. The year he painted and signed it.

  • @markhealy9361
    @markhealy9361 3 года назад +1

    Wonderful cold stitching!

  • @billdyke9745
    @billdyke9745 2 года назад

    Fascinating stuff, Ivan. Many thanks.

  • @Foontflaky
    @Foontflaky 3 года назад

    You sir, are an absolute wellspring of knowledge, and your excitement for the midgets is palpable.

  • @jorgefernandez-mv8hu
    @jorgefernandez-mv8hu 3 года назад +1

    What a fabulous car. Can't wait to hear it run!

  • @magnumtrooper17
    @magnumtrooper17 3 года назад +3

    "should we open the garage door and turn the fan on before we start the car?" "They didn't have open doors and fans back in the day"

    • @johna1160
      @johna1160 3 года назад +1

      Or better yet, hook a damn extension to the tail pipe and run it out the window.

  • @a.jsipple7322
    @a.jsipple7322 3 года назад

    Thanks for sharing. Rock on!

  • @PALM311
    @PALM311 3 года назад

    What a beautiful car! My dad used to run midgets back in the day here in the United States before WWII and being shipped off to Iwo Jima.
    How I wish she had stayed with the racing afterwards. I would love to have some of the original equipment that he had back then.
    Great videos, thanks for sharing.

  • @davidclark5138
    @davidclark5138 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic effort

  • @Mercmad
    @Mercmad 3 года назад +3

    The Starter Idea I a great one. Here in Queensland there is a chap who has a veteran Mercedes which uses a golf cart motor, hidden in the car to do the same.
    Good to hear you Mention Kenny Von Dutch Howard. He too was a clever guy with his hands building cars and motorbikes besides his art works (which included a flame job on a Mercedes gull wing!).

    • @Olli-mb9tt
      @Olli-mb9tt 3 года назад

      Hi Mercmad - would You be so kind to explain the starter thing to me again ?
      I didn´t really understand that. What kind of sense does an e-start directly on the rear diff make ? Isn´t it impossible (with reasonable effort) to put a starter on the flywheel or on the front end of the crankshaft in place of the hand crank ?
      Did I get Ivan right- as he said that the car doesn´t have a clutch ? - Cant believe, cause it has a gearbox also? - I´m not a native speaker , but German, maybe that´s why i didn´t understand.
      Would be nice if anybody tells me...

  • @thra5herxb12s
    @thra5herxb12s 3 года назад

    A narrow boat gearbox would be a good idea for a project like this.

  • @ianfletcher5694
    @ianfletcher5694 3 года назад +1

    wonderful car...wonderful film...thank you Ivan

  • @mongrelmercury1016
    @mongrelmercury1016 3 года назад +1

    Talking about two of my most favourite subjects murderdromes and Von Dutch keep the videos coming

  • @984francis
    @984francis 11 месяцев назад

    Stunning!

  • @stephenbrookes7268
    @stephenbrookes7268 3 года назад +1

    My step dad used to tune BSA engines and fit them to his self made grass track frames. The tuning was done by the "let's try this" method. He didn't have a Dyno or the backing of BSA factory like the works riders, but his bikes were faster. I guess those were the good old days. Well all my tuning of my two stroke twins and triples was done by the "never know what it will go like til I try it" system. Riding to work on Monday was always a fingers crossed moment.

  • @mikecarpenter4760
    @mikecarpenter4760 3 года назад

    Ivan, a sincere thank you for such entertaining videos! Please keep up the great vids.

  • @blairguinea6811
    @blairguinea6811 3 года назад

    Awesome show Sir, thank you

  • @tat255987
    @tat255987 3 года назад

    Great build, cant wait for new content. Subscribed

  • @paulpaul5606
    @paulpaul5606 3 года назад +1

    Great vid. love seeing how stuff s done

  • @adriantaylor9535
    @adriantaylor9535 3 года назад +1

    Great work Ivan love the home spun innovation 👍👍👍

  • @TomChame
    @TomChame 3 года назад

    Beautiful, thanks.

  • @TheClassicEngineer
    @TheClassicEngineer 3 года назад

    Love the method of assessing piston fit, grand! Ace video content as always!

  • @jimbos3421
    @jimbos3421 2 года назад

    This led man knows more than 100 computer “experts”!

  • @fractalrender
    @fractalrender 3 года назад +1

    Great videos!!. Great stories!!. The best is the metal work and the stories!!. Keep doing vids!!

  • @timcolledge3732
    @timcolledge3732 3 года назад

    Brilliant engineering from Ivan !!!!🤩👍

  • @richardturner4950
    @richardturner4950 3 года назад

    Only just found your channel, Ivan. Have now watched every video at least twice!
    Can't wait for the next episode.

  • @axiomist4488
    @axiomist4488 2 года назад

    I love watching and listening to you talk all about auto mechanics. You make it all so clear and fun. Seeing the engines and fitting the parts is a lot of fun, The stories about so many guys getting killed were really surprising. I had no idea it was so dangerous. I saw a movie once where they did midget racing; I think it may have been the Mickey Roonie one, Saw it in the 60s on TV here in US.

  • @davidepperson2376
    @davidepperson2376 2 года назад

    Such a great story and great project - thank you for sharing both.

  • @deanfuller1702
    @deanfuller1702 3 года назад +1

    Great job on the car and video!

  • @trevorspice2122
    @trevorspice2122 3 года назад

    A great history lesson, thanks. I lookforward your videos.
    Stay safe

  • @ericohara2582
    @ericohara2582 3 года назад

    I am really enjoying these videos, it is very refreshing to see your work and thought process. Please keep posting..

  • @denniswalker4351
    @denniswalker4351 3 года назад +2

    My dad raised my brother and I on sprint car racing and most any type of open wheel car racing. There is an old Abbott and Costello movie that has Abbot in a midget or sprint car.

  • @dog8nut
    @dog8nut 3 года назад

    Leon you keep up the great British tradition of back garden engineering ! Funny thing is a friend of mine in the later 60's had one half of a Miller 181 CDI engine cut down for midget car use. I saw the engine and had parts of it in my hands ! The later midgets used a Halibrand quick change center section based on a Model A Ford parts. Just did some repair machine work the other day on one of those QC center section castings.

  • @ryanroberts7620
    @ryanroberts7620 3 года назад

    That finish with the sanding... Nice job!.

  • @raisin39
    @raisin39 3 года назад +2

    Great race car, love the representation. I am now a big fan of your channel and the Bugatti. You should have many subscribers. Take care good health.

  • @nathansealey6270
    @nathansealey6270 3 года назад

    Looking forward to seeing that 😀

  • @timcolledge3732
    @timcolledge3732 3 года назад

    Very interesting!! 🤩💥

  • @joeambaye8681
    @joeambaye8681 3 года назад

    Ivan - you are the man! I can relate to your ways.

  • @josephbarker5883
    @josephbarker5883 Год назад

    Wonderful ❤️👍

  • @geofo60
    @geofo60 3 года назад

    Another amazing history of the iconic Midget Racers. Did I hear Ivan say “ the Offy car”? as in Offenhauser. The birth of the Hotrod. I have a steel 1932 Ford Roadster with Chevy V8, been a hotrodder for 40+ years and am so enjoying these videos.
    Thanks for sharing 👍👍👏

  • @ericfrankrussell
    @ericfrankrussell 3 года назад

    Your videos make me so happy. Slightly sad I've nearly seen them all, but looking forward to any new stuff.. many thanks. I liked you heating the piston to see if it binds, proper empirical engineering there..👍🙂

  • @jonhoyles714
    @jonhoyles714 3 года назад +1

    Great video great content great channel clever old boy 🇬🇧👍

  • @mikeholdaway2412
    @mikeholdaway2412 3 года назад

    This is such a great thing your are doing, giving your knowledge and stories for us to enjoy. Thanks
    I'd give you the title of OBE (over bloody eighty)👍

  • @kevinchamberlain7928
    @kevinchamberlain7928 3 года назад

    Your judgement has come hard-won, Ivan. I trust it 100%. You bloody well heat and reduce them pistons, mate, they'll be bob on!

  • @samrodian919
    @samrodian919 3 года назад

    A brilliant little motor Ivan it looks the dogs dangly bits!

  • @mikego18753
    @mikego18753 3 года назад

    Hay Ivan,warming the pistons,brilliant!i,ll bet it would be a good check on new rings(maybe).Anyway,great vid.
    Thanks.

  • @chrisbevan6390
    @chrisbevan6390 3 года назад

    ivans shed my new go to favorite !

    • @ChristianDeGiuliBotta
      @ChristianDeGiuliBotta  3 года назад

      Glad you’re enjoying the videos Chris. If you hit the subscribe button it will keep you notified of new videos, as we’re enjoying making them and plan to keep making one a week. Take care

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 11 месяцев назад

    Id like to build a modern version of something like this. Using a ford model T with a vortec 4200 engine, and 5speed trans, from a Chevy Colorado, with a supercharger or turbo a stock engine can put down in excess of 600 hp to the wheels, fairly reliably. With automatic transmission, a manual will have half the losses. With better pistons and rods, the inline 6 (GM's 2JZ) clould be a little monster, id definitely want rollbars, atleast a couple hoops and side bars, and a couple aircraft seats, a aluminum engine , trans , adding a winters quick change rear diff would be cool, however, a narrowed ford 8.8 would be fine, eith a locker, a rear mount radiator, so the intercooler can be front mounted, stretch the engine bay and frame what ever is required, i heard a two stroke 4cyl, with cross plane crank, it sounded awesome, maybe muilding a motorcycle or snow mobile engine for a little model T could be cool, using a cross plane crank! And maybe a 4 stroke engine can sound this awesome as well, maybe using a honda engine a k20 and modify it to use a distributor! And manually operate the VTec , along with carburators , a pair a 350 holley carbs and custom header and intake, maybe step upto the k24, get scat to sast a steel crank, the cast steel seem to be plenty strong!!

  • @jimc4731
    @jimc4731 3 года назад

    I van, your the best!
    JIM

  • @blairguinea6811
    @blairguinea6811 3 года назад

    First 5 seconds, BIG THUMBS UP Ivan

  • @stevenormandin2059
    @stevenormandin2059 3 года назад

    the cylinder block was stitched because it froze solid but seeing the work done on it using locknstitch process and it seams to be brazed too no doubt they did a good job on this one by the way I like your channel a lot :) real craftsmanship too!

  • @AA-69
    @AA-69 3 года назад

    "you didn't have to have a dad that was a millionaire to go racing"..
    I love this guy !... Says it like it is.

  • @rogerfrancis65
    @rogerfrancis65 3 года назад

    Brilliant, so glad i found this channel, saw the 2 cylinder mini engine series, any more progress on the mini engine?

  • @pking147king6
    @pking147king6 3 года назад

    Great Scott, I just realized that Lambo hasn’t moved in 2 years - looks like it needs an engine. You should install the Mini 2-cyl pointing forward. Then take it to a Concour and film the judges.

    • @anthonycarty9433
      @anthonycarty9433 2 года назад

      That would be hilarious and priceless. Great comment.

  • @scottyjones27
    @scottyjones27 3 года назад

    Fine machine seems to be smooth runner

  • @bodgiesteve8849
    @bodgiesteve8849 3 года назад

    Sir Jack Brabham, started off his motor racing career in midgets, in Australia

  • @kennybaird4509
    @kennybaird4509 3 года назад

    Great videos - I'm really enjoying them! There is a book available about Midget car racing in the UK pre WW2. It's called Midget Car Speedway and is by Derek Bridgett, published by Tempus - you probably already know that but it is worth getting hold of if you haven't seen it.

  • @mikeklaene4359
    @mikeklaene4359 3 года назад

    I still think you guys are crazy in a good way. I was a bit worried about the carbon monoxide buildup.

  • @kriswarren4626
    @kriswarren4626 2 года назад

    Do a video on the cylinder block!!!! What have you done there it looks like a mix of metal stitching, brazing and welding. Is that right?

  • @bobeden5027
    @bobeden5027 3 года назад

    I did some cast iron stitching during my apprenticeship circa 1968

  • @jimholmes4224
    @jimholmes4224 3 года назад

    Would love to see it run on a track now.

  • @Greeves
    @Greeves 3 года назад

    So why did the rear wheels stop rotating shortly after start up, even while the engine was still running? Thanks for the great videos

    • @interex2050
      @interex2050 3 года назад +1

      The starter motor is mounted to the diff and to start the engine it must be in gear. Once started, pop it back into neutral.

    • @Greeves
      @Greeves 3 года назад

      @@interex2050 Ah, of course. Thanks 😎

  • @francisjoussot3521
    @francisjoussot3521 2 года назад

    Another great video,but OMG chopping a Bugatti straigt 8 in half! They must have been cheap as chips back then?

  • @currentbatches6205
    @currentbatches6205 3 года назад

    3:42 - Definitely a Miura just behind the car.
    10:04 - In the US, it would be "Rube Goldberg".
    12:51 - Used a Ford T rear end for a DIY garden tractor build a long time back; those looong roller bearings meant no need for inner and outer bearings on the shortened axle.
    FYI, one of the Miller front-drive Indy cars... 26:07 - beat me to it.
    The Miller Midget engine was introduced in '32; this would have been an attempt to beat the Miller dominance, but none of my books mention it.
    Found this, here: www.carusomidgetracing.com/about-mike-and-rose.html
    "...One of the numerous innovative designs Caruso is credited with was his transformation of the Bugatti 8 cylinder engine into a 4 cylinder engine which conformed with midget racing specifications. This was achieved in 1936 for a Caruso midget driven by Ernie Gessell. This same car won the 1937 National Auto Racing Circuit Championship, with Ernie Gessell winning 12 consecutive feature races at the Long Branch, New Jersey Speedway. It is not widely known, but Ronnie Householder, a leading driver racing one of the first Offenhauser engines in the East, offered to buy the Caruso Bugatti and promised to never race it in the East again just to get it out of his hair.
    Mike Caruso achieved much success in auto racing through his association with the Offenhauser engine. The ‘Offy’ engine was a more modern, double overhead cam engine which was very reliable due to the availability of engine parts..."
    Not sure regarding the veracity; it wasn't an Offy, it was a Miller, and once they were made available ('32), at least on the west coast, if you didn't have a Miller, you didn't win races.
    Still a lovely bit of 'hot rodding', like Ardun heads on a flattie.
    Art Sparks (designer of the Sparks/Thorn Indy engines and the founder of one of the early quality hot-rod valve spring companies) had a son who worked for JE Pistons for a while: Jack Sparks. Had a wonderful discussion with him at an industry event in LA, say 15 years ago. Dunno where he is now, but he's younger than you or me and if you find him, he's worth an interview.

  • @betacam235
    @betacam235 3 года назад

    So what was the problem with the dry sump system? Surely it'd be difficult to put the output and scavenge pipes on the wrong ports?
    Maybe the pump was simply FUBAR?

  • @raychambers3646
    @raychambers3646 3 года назад

    I like the way everything is smal except the steering wheel!

  • @chrisjohnson4165
    @chrisjohnson4165 3 года назад

    The scavenge side of the pump is usually twice the capacity of the feed side.

  • @AA-69
    @AA-69 3 года назад +1

    Instead of saying "obviously".. I think it would be great if you could start saying "not a lot o people know that"
    As you've got the perfect accent for it !! 🤣😂🤣👍

  • @carolramsey6287
    @carolramsey6287 2 года назад

    All that effort on turning the engine and they still put them in cart sprung chassis with execrable steering and brakes. Still we all know Ettore's attitude to brakes.