That'll probably be what happens at the launch of next gen tbh I expect alot of big hitters from ps4 and xbox one to be redone ports or remasters for next gen like god of war, cup head, street fighter 5, sea of thieves etc
As a huge fan of the series, I fucking wish that it was. 2K dropped the ball on their best IP here just to bring in some quick cash in the lead up to the holiday season. Shameful.
It's a mixed bag. Some parts look much better, but some definetly look worse. It's a pity that a remaster can't be better than the original across the board. One thing I don't miss is the glossy "wet" effect that many people are complaining about the removal of though. It may look subjectively "impressive" in its way, but concrete just doesn't shine and glow like that when it's wet. It was way overused in the original.
Not in all scenes but yes it shouldn't be this way, at 5:08 everything about this scene looks atrocious in the remaster. (water animations / water transparency / inconsistent lighting)
Yes surprisingly many of the textures in the 2007 version are higher resolution than the 2013 version. But Its not lazy devs, its the limits of memory technology. The reason is between 2007 and 2013 memory technology only saw a doubling in bandwidth. GDDR5 provides roughly 2x the bandwidth of GDDR3. Couple that with the fact consoles have to share GDDR5 bandwidth with the cpu, and the game is running at 60fps so it has roughly half the memory bandwidth per frame rendered it would if it was running 30fps. GDDR standards are created by the 300 companies that comprise the JEDEC consortium. Memory speeds are hitting the thermal and power limits of silicon. Until the recent advent of 3D-stacked memory, the only way past that those limits was to wait until the industry transitions to smaller transistor nodes allowing memory to be manufactured at smaller nodes that consume less electricity and thus produce less heat.
All of that makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider how every other remaster (including open world ones like GTA V) make games look AND perform noticeably better in every way shape and form. Not to mention that you can run the original Bioshock on a PS4 equivalent PC at 1080p without a problem. Or that the PC version of the remaster has more problems than the console version of the remaster. So yes, it totally wasn't that the devs fucked it up. It's totally that the current gen consoles and PCs are more limited than last gen ones.
By far the most annoying thing was the audio problems. The mix is all off, and random sounds are hard panned left or right (like reloading your gun). I didn't take any issue with performance, though it is sad to see some of these changes side-by-side and how the original game had more atmosphere at points.
I wonder if it might be possible for modders to take the best parts of this remaster and just apply them to the original game, or vice versa so that you end up with a version that has the higher res models but with no audio issues.
Bioshock 2 has good mixing and good surround support, but sadly loses EAX 5.0. Bioshock 1 may not have used EAX to full extent, but the reverb effects were MUCH better than in Bioshock 2.
Mehdi Alfiguigui 2007 was awesome, but it is far from the last good year in gaming. In the last year or two we've gotten games like Bloodborne, Witcher 3, uncharted 4, Forza horizon 3, not to mention titanfall 2 in shooters, with it's brilliant campaign
I know that this isn't a game review but *this is the best game review of the collection to date*. My utter most thanks to John for taking the time to put this together. It would have been a metric tonne of work to do with all of the issues to compare. As a new owner of the PS4 version and massive fan of the series, I genuinely hope that 2K provides the resources to get this collection fixed. What a travesty :(
***** ACG has good reviews (I don't agree with some of them tho) but If we are talking about technology there is nothing like DF on YT. These guys knows their stuff better than anyone I can think off AND they manage to present their videos in very interesting way
They fucked up the water. They fucked up the water in an underwater game. Can’t believe this shit. Oh, and by the way, great video. I like how you guys notice even the little things such as the scratching in the audio logs.
The original PC game at 4k with the mouse fix is superior in every way to the remaster. Think of this more of a PS4/Xbox One remaster with a 'bonus' release for PC. The original games are still the way to go on the PC. Just crank up the resolution and enjoy.
On a positive note they have announced a patch is coming that fixes the mouse, speaker, fov, display, crashes/glitches/performance so Bioshock Remastered will be a lot better at least but it might come down to personal preference comparing it with the original but I'd recommend people play the original first.
Problem with just cranking up the res of the 2007 version on PC is that the models are all pretty low poly and the higher resolutions just make this more and more apparent, especially if the textures are pretty low res as well. Certainly not up to the task on a 4k display.
Kinda wish you didn't have that flying drone at 6:50 when comparing the sound. I believe you're right about the sound being worse - but that drone messes up that comparison.
I’m playing the 360 version through backwards compatibility and it looks good to me. I completely forgot the games so it’s like playing them for the first time all over again. I do that a lot. I replay the greats after many years.
After playing 6hrs of the re-mastered version on PC I have started replaying the original and with simple FOV and physics fix I have come to the conclusion it's much better. This is one of my all time favorite games and deservers a better re-master than what we have been given.
>15 year old engine, 9 year old game >No huge jumps in fidelity or AI >FPS drops Who do I blame now? Consoles or the developers? the consoles are shitty but 4A Games managed to lock 60 fps on a FAR newer and better looking title... Developers it is!
There are changes that i like more in the Remaster as well as changes i find worse. I think the seaweed and fish added to the intro are great, because i always felt like the intro in the original game was a bit... flat and empty if that makes sense. I also like how the Remaster goes for (_in a technical sense_) better lighting and remade geometry and textures (again, its up to personal preference) On the other hand, i liked the original's shinier textures, and John has a point when he says that part of the art style has been "tampered" with in a sense
Yikes the standing water looks way better in the original at 5:08 ,also look at the lighting effects on the water and rocks as well. im actually kind of disappointed DF didn't raise more concern here.
The one major thing that you should have mentioned is how the audio is actually FIXED in Bioshock Remastered. The original PC version of bioshock couldn't handle more than 16 channels of audio, resulting in significant audio hitching and a really broken experience. The remastered (while it may default to stereo audio) doesn't seem to suffer any audio cutout. Even setting the original to stereo resulted in problems so this is a major fix that I personally had been waiting for since the beginning. Also, when you compared the audio of the original to the remaster, you had a turret running in the background which affected how the scene's sound quality sounded. That's just sloppy cmon guys.
I know. It's like the team that did the conversion didn't know how to apply normal maps to their new textures and as a result, it completely mess with the "watery sheen" on the originals. As a developer, it's sad that they missed something so basic. Hopefully it was done due to lack of time rather than knowledge. I'll happily patch the console versions for free for 2K.
I know. It's like the team that did the conversion didn't know how to apply normal maps to their new textures and as a result, it completely messes with the "watery sheen" on the originals. As a developer, it's sad that they missed something so basic. Hopefully it was done due to lack of time rather than knowledge. I'll happily patch the console versions for free for 2K.
2:35, 2007 version looks way better, that lack of AF is horrid. For me the liquidity of the water and the sharp and contrasty reflections of wet surfaces is what made me love the game, it was just so good to look at in places. I remember the first time I played those bright lights reflecting off the water instantly wowed me, and to see those kind of things missing really sucks
I recently modded Bioshock 1 for PC and I fixed the Mouse accel, FPS capped to 144fps, Physics engine to 144fps. I also tuned the Graphics with reshaders which enhance textures and lighting, after doing all this to the original version it's gold :D
@@victorfadel06 I have noticed this, it's not a huge deal breaker for me though as it doesn't happen as often so I tend to look past it. I know there is a fix to do with EAX sound, maybe you can look more into that? It may have you answer?
John, fantastic analysis as always. You guys at DF always give irrefutable evidence as to how a game looks/performs that no fanboy (usually a console peasant) can argue with.
They just added a patch that includes PS4 pro and Xbox One X support. I think it’s time for an updated analysis video that also includes the switch version
I'm actually positively surprised you get to keep and play the originals too on PC if you want. That's nice, especially when they somehow managed to make remaster look worse.
Kid: ''Hey John you like my drawing i made for you?'' John: ''Overall it seems like a respectable drawing but on closer inspection we can see areas where you missed with your crayons, not staying inside the lines in places and some strange color choices.'' ''Perhaps an update may improve it''.
This is why I re-purchased all 3 Bioshock games for PS3 again ($5 a piece). Compare the $15 vs the $60 you pay for the remaster. It's insane really, given how there's almost no difference.
What a fantastic review. You are showing both sides. It does not like you are judgeing, just comparing. and I like your fluid way of speaking. thanks for the comparision.
Yeah most things I can overlook like water texture or seaweed but messing with the sound is sacrilege. BioShocks most memorable aspect to Me all these years later is it’s sound design.
2K's biggest mistake was they didn't hire Bluepoint Games to Remastered one of the best games ever made. But in all honesty I'm not that upset about this Remastered and I think some people are going a bit overboard on this. But again people tend to overreact about new things, weather there justified or not. Anyway, I will be getting the Collection for my PS4 even though I got the PC Versions for Free.
It looks like that besides the texture improvements, the remaster suffers from various changes that often looks worse than the original; and that also offers a significantly worse audio quality, for some reason. While it might not be lazy per se, it's definitely a baffling end result. :/
I'll give them credit for giving the remaster for free on the PC, but yes, it's not very impressive, it's not 100% obvious if this remaster is better than the 2007 PC release which should be the case, if you use the PC game with the physics FPS mod, it's difficult to say this remaster really justify its existence on the PC (perhaps why it's free in the end), for the consoles it's different, specially the PS4, the XboxOne could get the original via backwards compatibility, but it would also be a decent gain going from 720/30 to 1080/60 anyway, so yes, if you don't have a PC, that's perhaps a good release. personally, I think I'll just stick with the original game with the physics FPS mod, it looks basically the same, but without the touches changing the original work (which don't really add much to it, like the video shows, it's mostly just different, with some stuff better and other worse)
If you stand on the lower floor on the way to your first view of the Little sister, the Atlas Shrugged statue is a polygonal MESS unless you're right on top of it.
I prefer original PC version yeah a lot is improved in remaster but little missing effects here and there really kills the mood for me since this was one of the first next gen games for me and I remember very well how impressed I was with it.
One of the advantages that consoles have over the pc is optimization. That fact that its fixed hardware (this is gonna change in the future) means that developers can get the most out of the machine. So I find it strange when I see a console game unable to keep a steady frame-rate. I think the keyword is: effort. When you dont put enough effort in a pc or console game you get something unoptimised or buggy.
The amount of "effort put into this game" doesn't mean shit to me. The reason Bioshock is remembered so fondly is its atmosphere and presentation. A little change here and there wont do anything, but hundreds of subtle changes become noticeable very fast. If you're on PC, just use the old version, honestly... it looks better and holds up to this day.
It's a bit strange how lazy these remasters are... They barely touched up the visuals in any meaningful way and if anything managed to ADD bugs and downgrade a lot of particle affects and reflections... It's good that it's now playable on next gen consoles but the original just felt and looked better :/ Oh not to mention certain audio recordings are bugged and play the wrong recording.... When 2K isn't lazily remaking the same borderlands game over and over and calling them "sequels" they're busy ruining duke nukem or doing a sloppy job on a bioshock remaster
Thanks for the review. It seems like the original PC version is still the best. I feel like I was having trouble with it the last time I played. It always crashed loading from Big Picture mode.
l had fun on pc until the infamous crashes that erased my saves, this was the first time l played the game so l dropped the remaster and l continued on the original.
Are you guys sure you have your XO RGB settings set correctly? Your black levels are almost a telltale sign of improper RGB settings. Especially x360 games running on XO, that look way too black. Like a screen or capture calibrated to limited RGB, but the XO set to Full RGB.
I was lucky to not have any graphical glitches or major bugs or crashes. The only thing i dislike about the remaster is the lack of shiney wet surfaces and the way the water looks and the lack of the 5.1 and 7.1 options (due to them being broken so they were just removed altogether) even though they settings can be changed in the ini and it still works for most proper setups
The texture flickering/missing textures was my biggest issue. But, Jesus! Even with a patch inbound, I think I'll just reinstall the original. Thank you Digital Foundry.
In some areas, it takes up to 30 seconds to load all the textures on PC. I am gaming at 4K/60 but no game has ever taken 30 seconds to fully load the textures while just standing there starring into a room waiting.
And my PC decided that once I get into a corridor in Neptune's Bounty the frame likes to run at 7-15. This persists when I go ANYWHERE else, but isn't evident until you enter that hallway. Have no tried just starting a new game as I don't want to bother getting up to that point again.
So even though the playstation clearly shows worse performance and visual quality than the xbox version, you guys claim they're both the same? Wow. Same happened with Dying Light with the latest patch. When the results are reversed you never waste a second 'handing' the win to the playstation. Why, when you should be lauding the xbox port for getting BETTER performance out of a system only 70% as capable than the PS, do you instead basically just say they're the same? But when the results are pifflingly close but reversed the award always goes to playstation? On an unrelated note, I found the smoothness of 60fps sort of distracting. It might have been something to do with controller acceleration but the game felt like a hollywood blockbuster when some idiot turn on that smoothmotion thing that so many TVs seem to have. Just made it feel cheap.
I know that DF leans toward Sony in comparison's, but from the vid I saw hardly any Xbox One footage and never heard the commentator say any major differences about either version. Could you tell me where you saw the Xbox excelling over the PS4? Maybe I zoned out during that spot because the guys voice was just "blah blah blah." Thanks in advance.
I knew there was an issue with the remastered sound quality but some people didnt believe me.. Playing with headphones on my PC which are being powered by a Headphone amplifier the difference is very noticeable.
Like the remaster versions of Halo 1-3. It was fun switching back to see how bad graphics were. This would be the opposite though, with the 2007 visuals looking better.
Thank goodness I got the PC version, free remasters! Bioshock Infinite doesn't need a remaster, in fact the original release on PC is way better than on Next-gen Consoles! Damn, why couldn't they turn up the texture filtering on consoles? Sucks to play on console now, don't you think? But again, the remasters don't look any better than the original on max settings, just the same game with a reduction in framerate. Sucks, but at least I didn't have to pay for it~
Which version to play? Go with the original on pc. Just keep in mind it doesn't support 'dts connect and dolby live' for 5.1 audio. But it does support analog/digital uncompressed 5.1 very well' Just! If you wanna use a controller, you have to tell it ahead of time. You go into a options menu to select it. Only a controller or key/mouse one at a time.
this generation will be remembered as the remastered generation.
I DragoN good
That'll probably be what happens at the launch of next gen tbh I expect alot of big hitters from ps4 and xbox one to be redone ports or remasters for next gen like god of war, cup head, street fighter 5, sea of thieves etc
@@AlphaladZXA backwards compatibility will ensure *all* ps4 games will be playable on ps5
@@othmaneaouioued8768 exactly thanks to AMD and x86
@@coffee7180 and x86 thanks to intel
Should have been given to Blue Point.
my thoughts exactly
As a huge fan of the series, I fucking wish that it was. 2K dropped the ball on their best IP here just to bring in some quick cash in the lead up to the holiday season. Shameful.
If only Silent Hill HD collection was done by Blue Point...ah...now i gotta use an Emulator.
Blue Point is amaaaaazing.
@@radioactivebitflip8873 search for "town of silent hill" ;)
Well I think that the old pc version looks better than the new 👍
on some scenes yes
if looks better in detail but not models
It's a mixed bag. Some parts look much better, but some definetly look worse. It's a pity that a remaster can't be better than the original across the board. One thing I don't miss is the glossy "wet" effect that many people are complaining about the removal of though. It may look subjectively "impressive" in its way, but concrete just doesn't shine and glow like that when it's wet. It was way overused in the original.
Not in all scenes but yes it shouldn't be this way, at 5:08 everything about this scene looks atrocious in the remaster. (water animations / water transparency / inconsistent lighting)
Agreed
Who the fuck remastered this
What is screen tearing i dont see it
They should of got the people that ported the iOS version, that was amazing that they ported that to a phone!
Some interns within 2k.
Yup! Audio is horrible!
Ken Levine's son. Alone.
So they made places gritty when they should be clean, and cleaned up places that should be gritty?
More like Bioshock Demastered
Am I the only one who thinks most scenes look better in the original?
Before I even read which side is which, I kept thinking the old version was the remastered one...
I like that they added more life to the ocean, but everything else looks a bit meh compared to the original
yes
Yes surprisingly many of the textures in the 2007 version are higher resolution than the 2013 version.
But Its not lazy devs, its the limits of memory technology. The reason is between 2007 and 2013 memory technology only saw a doubling in bandwidth. GDDR5 provides roughly 2x the bandwidth of GDDR3. Couple that with the fact consoles have to share GDDR5 bandwidth with the cpu, and the game is running at 60fps so it has roughly half the memory bandwidth per frame rendered it would if it was running 30fps.
GDDR standards are created by the 300 companies that comprise the JEDEC consortium. Memory speeds are hitting the thermal and power limits of silicon. Until the recent advent of 3D-stacked memory, the only way past that those limits was to wait until the industry transitions to smaller transistor nodes allowing memory to be manufactured at smaller nodes that consume less electricity and thus produce less heat.
All of that makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider how every other remaster (including open world ones like GTA V) make games look AND perform noticeably better in every way shape and form. Not to mention that you can run the original Bioshock on a PS4 equivalent PC at 1080p without a problem. Or that the PC version of the remaster has more problems than the console version of the remaster. So yes, it totally wasn't that the devs fucked it up. It's totally that the current gen consoles and PCs are more limited than last gen ones.
By far the most annoying thing was the audio problems. The mix is all off, and random sounds are hard panned left or right (like reloading your gun). I didn't take any issue with performance, though it is sad to see some of these changes side-by-side and how the original game had more atmosphere at points.
And the gun switching beeing hard panned LEFT when its on the right side of the screen...Man....
I wonder if it might be possible for modders to take the best parts of this remaster and just apply them to the original game, or vice versa so that you end up with a version that has the higher res models but with no audio issues.
Bioshock 2 has good mixing and good surround support, but sadly loses EAX 5.0. Bioshock 1 may not have used EAX to full extent, but the reverb effects were MUCH better than in Bioshock 2.
The original on PC with maxed out settings is still the best option for full nostalgia due to the subtle, and not so, artistic changes.
The lack of talent and work is so obvious in this remaster. So disappointing.
More like in the entire gaming industry. Im not even surprised anymore. Still, the disappointment will always prevail.
Bioshock 2 drops to ~38 FPS on PS4. NoT sure what kind of effort went into these remasters.
This is a 2007 game, damn time flys
2007 was epic. This, Halo 3, so many others....
+Not_a_bait 2007 was a heck of a year
Mehdi Alfiguigui 2007 was awesome, but it is far from the last good year in gaming. In the last year or two we've gotten games like Bloodborne, Witcher 3, uncharted 4, Forza horizon 3, not to mention titanfall 2 in shooters, with it's brilliant campaign
I know that this isn't a game review but *this is the best game review of the collection to date*. My utter most thanks to John for taking the time to put this together. It would have been a metric tonne of work to do with all of the issues to compare. As a new owner of the PS4 version and massive fan of the series, I genuinely hope that 2K provides the resources to get this collection fixed. What a travesty :(
Please do video about Bioshock 2. It's ignored by most sites and I would like to see how much it changed in remaster
Dave is working on a Bioshock 2 video.
than you! DF is so awesome! Best quality stuff on yt (games related)
actually that honor goes to ACG (thank me later)
***** ACG has good reviews (I don't agree with some of them tho) but If we are talking about technology there is nothing like DF on YT. These guys knows their stuff better than anyone I can think off AND they manage to present their videos in very interesting way
They're also biased AF though.
long life to the original version....
They fucked up the water. They fucked up the water in an underwater game. Can’t believe this shit.
Oh, and by the way, great video. I like how you guys notice even the little things such as the scratching in the audio logs.
The original PC game at 4k with the mouse fix is superior in every way to the remaster. Think of this more of a PS4/Xbox One remaster with a 'bonus' release for PC. The original games are still the way to go on the PC. Just crank up the resolution and enjoy.
On a positive note they have announced a patch is coming that fixes the mouse, speaker, fov, display, crashes/glitches/performance so Bioshock Remastered will be a lot better at least but it might come down to personal preference comparing it with the original but I'd recommend people play the original first.
You're probably right, but considering they're free for people who already own the game on PC I'm not going to complain.
Is the mouse fix part of a patch or a mod? Do you still need to download the physics fix on the original?
Problem with just cranking up the res of the 2007 version on PC is that the models are all pretty low poly and the higher resolutions just make this more and more apparent, especially if the textures are pretty low res as well. Certainly not up to the task on a 4k display.
let's be honest. The remaster looks worse than the original.
i cant understand how it is possible
They've done fucked it up!
Ugh don't tell me that lol...I uninstalled the Original when I saw the Remaster just sitting in my library ready for Download.
How did they even manage that?
+Walther Penne
The cpu is not slower this gen. Numb nuts. Clock speed is not everything.
Kinda wish you didn't have that flying drone at 6:50 when comparing the sound. I believe you're right about the sound being worse - but that drone messes up that comparison.
I think it looked better with the original lighting effects.
Bioshock Demastered
Nice DOOM review article reference right there - 6:10 .
Ha, I'm glad someone noticed! :-D
Yo John, why are you not answering via DF's youtube?
IzzyTengoku
Ungh, I feel like everything I say on RUclips derails into something I never desired to contain.
I didn't get the reference. I believe I seen all the doom videos on DF.
It's a reference to an old Edge review from 1994 on Doom 1 that criticized the game for not letting players talk to the monsters.
I’m playing the 360 version through backwards compatibility and it looks good to me. I completely forgot the games so it’s like playing them for the first time all over again. I do that a lot. I replay the greats after many years.
I love that they had the foresight to put an unlocked frame rate option in the 360 version. More games need to do this.
i3 4170 750ti destroys consoles
gta 5 will destroy you i3
Someone needs research
idiots it's sarcasm still it can be better than consoles with 1xsmaa at 1080p
Your brain sure is small
CANCER
Yeah... what a "remaster".
Great job DF pointing these thing out! It's details like this that makes your channel so good!
bioshock blew me away back in the day, what a masterpiece
After playing 6hrs of the re-mastered version on PC I have started replaying the original and with simple FOV and physics fix I have come to the conclusion it's much better. This is one of my all time favorite games and deservers a better re-master than what we have been given.
>15 year old engine, 9 year old game
>No huge jumps in fidelity or AI
>FPS drops
Who do I blame now? Consoles or the developers? the consoles are shitty but 4A Games managed to lock 60 fps on a FAR newer and better looking title...
Developers it is!
RTU'sDark-Knight
... You do realize Metro Redux is 60 fps locked on consoles?
What are you doing here? Get back to reviewing some tanks on the WoT forums!
Jack Rolfland
I do not have a lot of time to play WoT these days mate. Perhaps when there is a big break I might do 1-2...
Alexander Yordanov consoles not shit(ps4 for sure)
There are changes that i like more in the Remaster as well as changes i find worse. I think the seaweed and fish added to the intro are great, because i always felt like the intro in the original game was a bit... flat and empty if that makes sense. I also like how the Remaster goes for (_in a technical sense_) better lighting and remade geometry and textures (again, its up to personal preference)
On the other hand, i liked the original's shinier textures, and John has a point when he says that part of the art style has been "tampered" with in a sense
2:44 - The 2007 version of the game actually looks better than the remake
Yikes the standing water looks way better in the original at 5:08 ,also look at the lighting effects on the water and rocks as well. im actually kind of disappointed DF didn't raise more concern here.
The one major thing that you should have mentioned is how the audio is actually FIXED in Bioshock Remastered. The original PC version of bioshock couldn't handle more than 16 channels of audio, resulting in significant audio hitching and a really broken experience.
The remastered (while it may default to stereo audio) doesn't seem to suffer any audio cutout. Even setting the original to stereo resulted in problems so this is a major fix that I personally had been waiting for since the beginning.
Also, when you compared the audio of the original to the remaster, you had a turret running in the background which affected how the scene's sound quality sounded. That's just sloppy cmon guys.
Why did they change textures, that didn't need changing? It makes no sense. The original looks a lot nicer
I know. It's like the team that did the conversion didn't know how to apply normal maps to their new textures and as a result, it completely mess with the "watery sheen" on the originals. As a developer, it's sad that they missed something so basic. Hopefully it was done due to lack of time rather than knowledge. I'll happily patch the console versions for free for 2K.
I know. It's like the team that did the conversion didn't know how to apply normal maps to their new textures and as a result, it completely messes with the "watery sheen" on the originals. As a developer, it's sad that they missed something so basic. Hopefully it was done due to lack of time rather than knowledge. I'll happily patch the console versions for free for 2K.
2:35, 2007 version looks way better, that lack of AF is horrid. For me the liquidity of the water and the sharp and contrasty reflections of wet surfaces is what made me love the game, it was just so good to look at in places. I remember the first time I played those bright lights reflecting off the water instantly wowed me, and to see those kind of things missing really sucks
I recently modded Bioshock 1 for PC and I fixed the Mouse accel, FPS capped to 144fps, Physics engine to 144fps. I also tuned the Graphics with reshaders which enhance textures and lighting, after doing all this to the original version it's gold :D
Did you managed to fix the audio cutting out during intense gunfire? This glitch is really annoying and happens in both 1 and 2.
@@victorfadel06 I have noticed this, it's not a huge deal breaker for me though as it doesn't happen as often so I tend to look past it.
I know there is a fix to do with EAX sound, maybe you can look more into that? It may have you answer?
@@Ahvay I see. I tried this Eax fix with a creative sound card, but it doesn't work 100%, it only aliviates the problem. But thanks for your reply.
I was waiting for this one! Thanks for the analysis DF!
The floors and walls have more detail in the original PC version.
Hey at-least it isn't the Silent Hill HD Collection... **shudder**
It's not that level of bad. It's just the art direction and sound have been noticably messed with for the worse.
That FOV makes me think my hands are always in my face.
John, fantastic analysis as always. You guys at DF always give irrefutable evidence as to how a game looks/performs that no fanboy (usually a console peasant) can argue with.
When the 2007 release is better than the remastered 2016 release you know you fucked up.
I came here for performance info, stayed for the amazing soundtrack...
They just added a patch that includes PS4 pro and Xbox One X support. I think it’s time for an updated analysis video that also includes the switch version
I'm actually positively surprised you get to keep and play the originals too on PC if you want. That's nice, especially when they somehow managed to make remaster look worse.
lol pc original looks most of the time better
Thanks John for the in-depth looks. I probably replay this series someday.
I fucking love this channel
Kid: ''Hey John you like my drawing i made for you?''
John: ''Overall it seems like a respectable drawing but on closer inspection we can see areas where you missed with your crayons, not staying inside the lines in places and some strange color choices.'' ''Perhaps an update may improve it''.
This is why I re-purchased all 3 Bioshock games for PS3 again ($5 a piece). Compare the $15 vs the $60 you pay for the remaster. It's insane really, given how there's almost no difference.
A poor remaster is a poor remaster. Great work, DF.
What a fantastic review. You are showing both sides. It does not like you are judgeing, just comparing.
and I like your fluid way of speaking.
thanks for the comparision.
Yeah most things I can overlook like water texture or seaweed but messing with the sound is sacrilege. BioShocks most memorable aspect to
Me all these years later is it’s sound design.
2K's biggest mistake was they didn't hire Bluepoint Games to Remastered one of the best games ever made.
But in all honesty I'm not that upset about this Remastered and I think some people are going a bit overboard on this. But again people tend to overreact about new things, weather there justified or not. Anyway, I will be getting the Collection for my PS4 even though I got the PC Versions for Free.
Bioshock 1 really is one of the best story driven games ever made. I hope they completely reboot the series sometime in the future.
It looks like that besides the texture improvements, the remaster suffers from various changes that often looks worse than the original; and that also offers a significantly worse audio quality, for some reason. While it might not be lazy per se, it's definitely a baffling end result. :/
All reviewers need to consult DF before reviewing any game. Nice analysis.
I'll give them credit for giving the remaster for free on the PC, but yes, it's not very impressive, it's not 100% obvious if this remaster is better than the 2007 PC release which should be the case, if you use the PC game with the physics FPS mod, it's difficult to say this remaster really justify its existence on the PC (perhaps why it's free in the end), for the consoles it's different, specially the PS4, the XboxOne could get the original via backwards compatibility, but it would also be a decent gain going from 720/30 to 1080/60 anyway, so yes, if you don't have a PC, that's perhaps a good release.
personally, I think I'll just stick with the original game with the physics FPS mod, it looks basically the same, but without the touches changing the original work (which don't really add much to it, like the video shows, it's mostly just different, with some stuff better and other worse)
If you stand on the lower floor on the way to your first view of the Little sister, the Atlas Shrugged statue is a polygonal MESS unless you're right on top of it.
I prefer original PC version yeah a lot is improved in remaster but little missing effects here and there really kills the mood for me since this was one of the first next gen games for me and I remember very well how impressed I was with it.
One of the advantages that consoles have over the pc is optimization. That fact that its fixed hardware (this is gonna change in the future) means that developers can get the most out of the machine.
So I find it strange when I see a console game unable to keep a steady frame-rate.
I think the keyword is: effort.
When you dont put enough effort in a pc or console game you get something unoptimised or buggy.
6:12 Edge Magazine Doom review easter egg... omfg that was slick!
BUT getting this for free on PSN+ was pretty dope (:
Is it me, or the original 2007 PC release looks better than the 2016 PS4 version?
The amount of "effort put into this game" doesn't mean shit to me. The reason Bioshock is remembered so fondly is its atmosphere and presentation. A little change here and there wont do anything, but hundreds of subtle changes become noticeable very fast.
If you're on PC, just use the old version, honestly... it looks better and holds up to this day.
More than happy with the XBox 360 versions of all games I have. I'll get this collection for PS4 when it's 20 bucks.
Seriously, am I the only one who likes the remaster and just happy that I can play my favorite game on the PS4 ?
using System Shock music on this, nice touch DF
Bioshock Unmastered.
The lighting in the original looks better to me. And while the textures are higher res ,sometimes they seem to lack fine details.
It's a bit strange how lazy these remasters are... They barely touched up the visuals in any meaningful way and if anything managed to ADD bugs and downgrade a lot of particle affects and reflections...
It's good that it's now playable on next gen consoles but the original just felt and looked better :/
Oh not to mention certain audio recordings are bugged and play the wrong recording.... When 2K isn't lazily remaking the same borderlands game over and over and calling them "sequels" they're busy ruining duke nukem or doing a sloppy job on a bioshock remaster
Thanks for this analysis!
Thanks for the review. It seems like the original PC version is still the best. I feel like I was having trouble with it the last time I played. It always crashed loading from Big Picture mode.
I really hoped lighting was better. I have come to appreciate lighting so much in video games.
l had fun on pc until the infamous crashes that erased my saves, this was the first time l played the game so l dropped the remaster and l continued on the original.
Are you guys sure you have your XO RGB settings set correctly? Your black levels are almost a telltale sign of improper RGB settings. Especially x360 games running on XO, that look way too black. Like a screen or capture calibrated to limited RGB, but the XO set to Full RGB.
Yes. It's not like there are a lot of options. The capture card only supports full RGB. If you feed it limited, the image is super washed out.
I was lucky to not have any graphical glitches or major bugs or crashes. The only thing i dislike about the remaster is the lack of shiney wet surfaces and the way the water looks and the lack of the 5.1 and 7.1 options (due to them being broken so they were just removed altogether) even though they settings can be changed in the ini and it still works for most proper setups
fantastically detailed review
HOW CAN REMASTER BE A DOWNGRADE
The texture flickering/missing textures was my biggest issue. But, Jesus! Even with a patch inbound, I think I'll just reinstall the original. Thank you Digital Foundry.
The compressed audio is unforgivable in the the remaster.
Great job, as always.
You are the Masters of nitpicking! Serious work guys! Way to go
excellent analysis
Seriously? This is running at 60fps+ on my R9 270x at 2k. How can this game have framerate drops at 1080p?
lazy remaster but will be more than likely fixed with a patch
The music is timeless. It never needs to be remastered.
Once I removed the mouse acceleration and smoothing, it plays way better.. Just back up your config files in case of crashes.
Well dissected. Liked and subscribed.
In some areas, it takes up to 30 seconds to load all the textures on PC. I am gaming at 4K/60 but no game has ever taken 30 seconds to fully load the textures while just standing there starring into a room waiting.
I was going to buy the ps4 version but after seeing this there is no way in hell i will buy it.
wow 1 fps drop
And my PC decided that once I get into a corridor in Neptune's Bounty the frame likes to run at 7-15. This persists when I go ANYWHERE else, but isn't evident until you enter that hallway. Have no tried just starting a new game as I don't want to bother getting up to that point again.
They fucked up the game pretty badly omg.
My PS3 got a YLOD so I'm very happy it's being released on PS4.
So even though the playstation clearly shows worse performance and visual quality than the xbox version, you guys claim they're both the same? Wow. Same happened with Dying Light with the latest patch.
When the results are reversed you never waste a second 'handing' the win to the playstation.
Why, when you should be lauding the xbox port for getting BETTER performance out of a system only 70% as capable than the PS, do you instead basically just say they're the same? But when the results are pifflingly close but reversed the award always goes to playstation?
On an unrelated note, I found the smoothness of 60fps sort of distracting. It might have been something to do with controller acceleration but the game felt like a hollywood blockbuster when some idiot turn on that smoothmotion thing that so many TVs seem to have. Just made it feel cheap.
I know that DF leans toward Sony in comparison's, but from the vid I saw hardly any Xbox One footage and never heard the commentator say any major differences about either version.
Could you tell me where you saw the Xbox excelling over the PS4?
Maybe I zoned out during that spot because the guys voice was just "blah blah blah."
Thanks in advance.
That explained why infinite was separate because they werent working together and infinite was heavier in terms on framerate unlike bioshock 1 and 2
I knew there was an issue with the remastered sound quality but some people didnt believe me.. Playing with headphones on my PC which are being powered by a Headphone amplifier the difference is very noticeable.
They Should added a "Classic" option in the Bioshock Collection
more fps, less glitches, Better Sound and looking better
Like the remaster versions of Halo 1-3. It was fun switching back to see how bad graphics were. This would be the opposite though, with the 2007 visuals looking better.
Mike Caddick Halo 3 didnt had that option tho
Thank goodness I got the PC version, free remasters! Bioshock Infinite doesn't need a remaster, in fact the original release on PC is way better than on Next-gen Consoles! Damn, why couldn't they turn up the texture filtering on consoles? Sucks to play on console now, don't you think? But again, the remasters don't look any better than the original on max settings, just the same game with a reduction in framerate. Sucks, but at least I didn't have to pay for it~
usually stick to ps4 for multiplats, but looks like this remaster is identical, even better on the one. Will be getting this for my xbox.
I can't even play my og pc copy anymore, the instal process involves downloading a mandatory patch from servers which no longer exist :/
Which version to play? Go with the original on pc. Just keep in mind it doesn't support 'dts connect and dolby live' for 5.1 audio. But it does support analog/digital uncompressed 5.1 very well'
Just! If you wanna use a controller, you have to tell it ahead of time. You go into a options menu to select it. Only a controller or key/mouse one at a time.