Can The FASTEST F1 EVER (Without DRS/ERS) beat the Ferrari F2004 ?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Could it be that if we remove the DRS and ERS Systems from the Mercedes W11, will it still be able to beat the Ferrari F2004, one of the fastest F1 cars of all time?
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What do you think about a rematch on a medium speed track with more corners? If possible, leave a comment. Thanks👍
yes ...and slicks on the F2004... in Barcelona and Monaco...
@@luiscarlosvieira3966 Monaco is out of the question, overtaking is almost impossible. Barcelona is really very interesting. Thank you my friend.
@@f1virtualfilms I said those 2 tracks because Barcelona is the "universal" track... and Monaco is because the F2004 is 1.2m shorter and 140kg lighter than the W11...
austin, silverstone
how about at spa?
Oh man i miss the times where the f1 cars were smaler lighter and more aggressive.
No 'cheating devices' to help overtaking lol (kidding)
Me too my friend
No overtakes at all. At that time the most aggressive drivers looked like Raikkonen or bottas
Look up the 2026 rules and regs you'll be happy
@@SKYLINE32_YT Not to disappoint you, but team already said that it's just impossible not to be largely overweight in 2026. Also, the cars won't be much smaller than they are today
Ferrari wins just on noise alone
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True ❤
Its not noise.... its sound, its a masterpiece....
I mean if you said otherwise about the noise you’d be weird
The glorious sound of a V10 screaming at 20,000 rpm
18.500 rpm
only 18700rpm.v10 has bad balance so even v8 rev more.
That sound brought my childhood back. Me and my parents woke earlier to see Barrichello and Schumacher giving their all during grand prixs.
Good times that never come back. Thanks for watching.
The Ferrari is not even in slicks tyres
The original car while having grooved tires.. also had tires that were bespoke to that chassis and tracks. Bridgestones development was insane. The had a “customer tire” and they had a “Scuderia Ferrari” tire
The old grooved tyres in 2004 might be just as grippy
@@simplygregsterev Exactly my friend. And Schumacher helped Bridgestone develop the tire.
@@mArvAlcao71 They most definitely were not lmao
The Bridgestone tyres were horrible and stiff. The Michelins, contrary to belief, were much better with better surface contact. Michelin in general had better development and data to work with because they were servicing a variety of teams. It is why Bridgestone was caught out so easily by the 05 reg changes.
@@brolo7234 Surely we are comparing the 2004 grooved tires to the pre-2022 Pirelli slicks eh?
Even Schumi in 2012 has said that driving on Pirellis was like 'driving on raw eggs'
DRS I get, but why remove ERS? That’s like chopping 2 cylinders of the Ferrari’s V10
Because its under the same conditions - Car with ICE Engine against Car with ICE Engine, and not with the advantage of Electric Power AND Turbopower.
@@fam.hunger5244 but the merc's engine is turbo hybrid. it's integral to the cars whole philosophy. If you cut it out then of course it would lose because now it's carrying the weight of the full hybrid/battery system without the power.
I get it, we all love the screaming V10s and schumi's greatness and you even used the most power dependent circuit to give the ferrari a better advantage. But let's not pretend like the F2004 is actually faster than the merc. It's not, and it never will be.
Removing the ERS system also reduces the weight and things are balanced.
@@TYPEV3 Friend. At the beginning of the video I inform you that the weight of the car was reduced with the removal of the hybrid system.
With more corners, w11 gets upper hand. Cornering of w11 makes up for Speed gap
Exactly. I'm thinking about a rematch on another track
Not really, it's much heavier
Depends on what kind of corner, low to medium and even some slower medium/high speed corners (especially with a closing / tightening radius).
@@f1virtualfilms Think about Interlagos and Spa.
@@giorx5 Interlagos is also a good option. Thank you friend
There's no way in hell you're gonna beat something that screams like that
Yeah. Just ask Eastern Europe in the early 1940s.
Ferrari only wins because of the track picked out. Mercedes was better in the corners Ferrari better for straight line speed.
@@chrisbell600 OK, let's do Monaco then
Oh wait, we can't because the 2020 car can't go side by side anything within inches of it.
@@rongiefaustino8867 what do you mean can’t go side by side with something? Ahh Monaco the worst track in the calendar. Tracks with long straight lines the Ferrari wins and tracks with shorter straights but more corners Mercedes wins. You can see that in the video the Ferrari pulls away on straights but Mercedes catches it in corners. Just so happens that track is mostly straight.
@@chrisbell600 Yeah and my guy just say "no drs no ers" it's like saying : shut down 2 of the 10 valve of the V10.
That's it, that's whats missing from F1 !!! pure noise and pure power, bring it back
Nothing can beat the F2004. 🏎💨
Except the W11 with its ERS system working or on a track like silverstone or Barcelona 😂
It's funny how people say that but only after watching at a track like Monza the fastest on the calendar but w11 would win at almost every other track slick tires or not
The looks and sound of that Ferrari makes it an instant winner.
F2004 was magical
The v10 cars were beautiful to look at
And listen to. I’m so glad I grew up an F1 fan during those times.
It doesn't make sense to turn off the ERS but the weight of the car is the same, to be really fair, since he won't use the system it should remove the weight it generates on the car.
In the description at the start it says, that the ERS weight is taken down
The weight of the ERS was taken, but it is not known for sure what the real weight of the entire system is, so it was estimated. And it is indicated in the car's technical data sheet at the beginning of the video. Thanks for watching
@@dsd6538 Thanks my friend
With a gigantic rear wing there is no way to have top speed, besides it seems that the 2004 car doesn't have any tow at all.
Didn't expect W11 to be this close with that handicap
"The strongest car in history vs the strongest car at this time" ah situasion
Why no ERS? The W11 has extra weight because of it and can’t use the power?
I'm sure that, if the track was Silverstone, the W11 would be closer or even win
It has changed a lot since the days of Schumacher dominance and early Hamilton years
I'm almost determined to do a rematch soon. Thank you my friend
@@f1virtualfilmsyeah definitely. This is just a top speed track. We all know the 2004 are fast.
Even Spa would be good enough.
@@The.Drunk-Koala I will do a rematch on another track. I left the comment pinned at the top for suggestions.
@@f1virtualfilmsspa would be better, it would showcase both cars strengths more.
Where I can find the mods?
Can you re make this around spa? Or say a high speed downforce circuit? Turkey maybe ?
The size difference is hilarious
slick this, slick that, slick these nuts... if you want to give slicks to the f2004 then unrestrict the fuel flow on the W11, or crank up the engine so it doesn't have to last quarter of a season.
Making excuses on why a 20 year old car beat the w11 🤣
@@daltonv5206 womp womp
Funny thing is that the F2004 would be slower on full slicks. On the straight at least.
@@daltonv5206 There are no excuses. This is a simulation. The W11 would smoke the F2004 on every track that isn't just straights.
@@daltonv5206"beat" a car that's driven by an idiot, has less engine power than usual and is not allowed to use a system it was supposed to run with. No 2004 car has ever done a lap faster than 1:19,5 around monza lmao
Remember guys, "there is no replacement for displacement"
Is the drs open for Mercedes W11 if not then race it with open drs(No drs)
The ERS is pretty essential for the Merc and having it at Monza is clearly going to favour the Ferrari.
The idea was that with the removal of the ERS, the car would lose 160 HP but be around 40/50 kg lighter, which would balance the dispute with the F2004.
Orly. Didnt tought that.
@f1virtualfilms Why try to balance? Why not just compare the cars as they actually are?
Not really a fair test to disable one car by removing an essential part of the engine.
very good video... subscribed!
Thanks my friend
V10 the best sound of an F1 I have ever heard
There’s no need for a virtual race for this one, in 2020 F1 put on a display in Abu Dhabi, with Alonso driving the 2005 championship-winning car, the Renault R25 V10, very similar to the F2004, in fact the F2004 did a couple of races during the 2005 championship before being replaced. On that day, with the wrong tyres, with an aerodynamic and suspension set-up for another circuit and with the “wrong” fuel, Alonso got into a car he hadn’t driven for 15 years, did a couple of laps and set a time better than the fastest lap of the Sunday race. That sound alone gives those cars an extra 25hp.
You have to remember, 2004/5 cars had refuelling, making them lighter and able to push full power throughout the race.
Hybrid cars have fuel flow limit and carry the fuel for the whole race from the start.
@@champion1642 Yes, of course, there are many edges, and for a qualifying race it is not comparable either, if I remember correctly, in the 2004/05 qualifying races they had to carry a lot of fuel, I think they could not refuel for the start or something like that. Not to mention that in 2005 the qualifying race and the whole race were done with the same set of tyres.
The two fastest F1 car ever, that given to his drivers the 7th championships, incredible!
Thanks my friend
The weight of the 2020s cars became its own undoing. It’s also unbelievable that technology from 20 years ago can still hold its own.
the elephant trying to keep up is funny
great comparison of power to weight ratio vs modern aerodynamics. a fun race to watch!
Thanks my friend
Ferrari and Mercedes are powerful beasts
Gutes Video!
Wie immer vielen Dank, mein Freund
Thank you. Two comments:
1) the main gain of the old car is on the straights, while the comparison is on unique high-speed Monza. On the other average track the result will be different;
2) seems, that the modern car top speed on the straights is too low, since Monza setup in any case shall enable the car to reach 340-350 km/h without DRS
Please do this again, but with newer slicks for the Ferrari and on a track with more corners
Slicks in the F2004 smashs the W11. It won't be fun unfortunately
Ok but at the same time w11 should be given unlimited fuel flow and ers, let's see how it goes😆
@@janneojanen162 Even so, I don't think the W11 has a chance
Bring back V10s
So the W11 is handicapped by weight and power. How is this even a comparison?
Can you make one with full spec? W11 with DRS/ERS and F2004 with slicks.
V10 sound 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
I guess the heavier Mercedes is at a disadvantage in corner entry, corner exit, and acceleration. Being larger it also creates more drag. Having more aero devices it also adds even more drag. Without DRS activation it could not reduce drag.
Just shows you why the V-10 era of the late 90s early 2000s was such an effective F1 car. Perhaps the peak of it being a speed machine. It did not need KERS nor a Hybrid system all of which adds weight penalties.
Good observations my friend. Thank you very much for watching the video
Imagine if the Mercedes could use a new engine every race with unlimited fuel flow, we are looking at over 1200hp without electric power, see how stupid these arguments are
@@broshido2745 True, however as long as the weight is there, it will be at a disadvantage. A faster car makes it more difficult to brake for corner entry.
The F2004 is still lighter than the Mercedes. 600+ kgs versus 700+. The hundred kg difference is felt on slow corners where aerodynamic downforce becomes reduced.
What I'd re-imagine is the F2004 in full slick tyres and maybe 1000 bhp at 20000rpm and aerodynamic design of the F2007 that won Kimi his only driver's title.
A wise man once said “there’s no replacement for displacement”
Flyby at the end…
Which game and mods are these?
Assetto Corsa. The F2004 is part of a Ferraris package that can be purchased through Steam and the W11 is here: discord.com/channels/781973414092472330/1112031857740099645
To be fair, the W11 has more downforce and 100kg more than the F2004, but yes, these aspirated monsters are incredible
And this is even without slicks on the Ferrari.
With Slicks the F2004 has a lot of advantage, even with the W11 with ERS/DRS.
There was two distinct difference in 2004 and recent cars, 1. Sound and 2. Size. Hope F1 management address both the issue and make the recent circus F1 again.
Even in the sim, the 2004 just looks so much more fun and agile to drive. They need the weight to reduce and the easiest way of doing that is to lower the fuel on board and the ers
That’s when F1 was a sport, rather than a WWF-like-made-to-NetFlix show
I’d be curious to see them at Silverstone , Barcellona & Spa, racing for 3 to 7 laps with Ferrari on slicks..🏎️🏎️✨
Try that same thing on Spa Francorchamps. Let's see what happens.
Im thinking the track selection would perhaps change this outcome per track
What a monstrosity is the Mercedes compared to the tiny Ferrari. They should have kept the cars tiny with refueling.
I agree with taking away DRS (somewhat) but removing ERS is essentially disabling the W11.
Yes it saves 40KG, but that's not worth the loss of 160hp as well as all that extra torque you get from the ERS.
I don’t get why you're trying to "balance" the cars, rather than comparing the actual cars without disabling one of them.
F2000-2004 were monsters
why not ERS? DRS i agree with as it's a overtaking aid but ERS is part of the hybrid system - what the car was designed with.
With ERS the car would have 1030HP and without it it has approximately 870HP and also less weight. This is close to the F2004 numbers for a fairer dispute.
@@f1virtualfilms Did you want the cars to be artificially as similar as possible...or to have an actual competition based on the historical reality? 🤔😐
@@martinusv7433 Just an attempt to balance things and make the disput between the two cars seem more fair.
Well the rear wing would have less drag if they had made a version that was supposed to not have drs as it would be one smoith piece instead of sections
I agree
Get the horsepower back to current speck if the weight won't be reduced. To make a drs only experiment
All I could think of was "modern cars are so big"
Crazy how we've gone backwards with time
The thing is the Ferrari is lighter, narrower, shorter and more nimble and then add in a V10 Engine. Where as the current F1 Cars are over 200KG Heavier, have ev technology that adds to the weight, V6 Engine, wider and longer car and is less nimble in the slow corners alongside having heavier and wider tyres and wheels on.
V10 seasons were King of the F1 history
I Igree
F2004, a REAL F1 car.
What a Car, What an engine, What a sound!
No electric motors, no nonsense, Just pure V10 symphony.
👍👍
I’d be curious to see the same test at a high downforce track. Outright speed always wins at Monza & the W11 has way too much drag compared to the F2004 to have any chance of winning that battle.
Actually, the Williams BMW in the hands of Juan Pablo Montoya holds the lap record at Monza with a lap time of 1.19.52 seconds and Ruben’s Barrichello holds the Race Lap Record of 1.21.46 in the Ferrari F2004.
I don't think so my friend. The fastest lap at Monza belongs to Lewis Hamilton who clocked 1:18.887 with the W11 in 2020
The problem here is weight, modern formula 1 cars are heavier and bigger than the past eras.
New cars are very wide! Overtaking is getting more difficult
You're right. Thanks for watching
Niw try a less power sensitive track such as spain
Make the same comparison, with slick in Ferrari em DRS and Ers on W11
There is already a video on the channel about this, but I will redo it soon. ruclips.net/video/vmBLEPvJpyY/видео.html
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People are getting the wrong message from this video. You can remove half the cylinders and replace with a turbo, and the Merc f1 car would win in an actual race. Why? Bc the f2004 would actually need to refuel and would break down several times over the course of the season, while the turbo hybrid wouldn’t. Anyone can go in a straight line, look at how much ground the new car makes up in the corners it’s like another formula
Imagine F2004 on slick tyres...
That was awesome
Thanks my friend
You pick the only track on the calendar that has barely any turns
Everybody loving the 2004 car "as they should" but at the time fans was moaning like mad to change things up! That's why the grass isn't greener on the other side.
This is the purest truth.
Now put that beast on modern slicks. 😊
Ive said it for a long time.
Take the DRS away and see if it wins against an 04 car.
Maybe at a track with more corners it does because on the left right left combination it knocked off nearly .4
Yes. This video will have a rematch on another track
It's not just DRS though, without ERS it's like part of the engine is missing.
The fact is that the W11 managed to keep up at the F2004’s best track, without DRS and ERS.
8 tenths in two laps is not really ‘keeping up’
But it had slipstream
@@F1reMaster__EditZz Exactly
The killer sound of Ferrari was music to the ears. Mercedes was fast with 100kg extra weight.
I wonder what this comparison would be like if you gave the F2004 slicks. Then gave the Merc ERS/DRS, then do a run with both! 👀
I've already done this, but I believe the mod I used wasn't as good, but even so I still believe the F2004 is faster. I'm thinking about redoing this race with the current mod I have from W11.
But I would love to have those loud V10 engines in 2024 F1! but maybe making 1200hp at 20000rpm instead of DRS and ERS any day
Unfortunately, there is no going back
At high speed low downforce circuits, the Ferrari is better. However, the merc absolutely wins at the other circuits. Much more downforce and speed it can carry through the corners
since this is all hypothetical, you should make a race where the F2004 carries 200kg of fuel to start a race, while the W11 carries 100kg, and run a proper simulation of a full race. The W11's biggest handicap is it being a bigger car to carry all the fuel for a single race, as well as all the heavy hybrid bits. It's bonus is being energy efficient and powerful despite using only half as much fuel as the 2004. 1 lap races will essentuate the w11 weakness, and give everything in favor of the f2004, which could refuel mid-race and also use as much fuel as it liked. Another possible race is remove the hybrid system of the w11, but allow it to use 2x as much fuel.
Thanks for the suggestions my friend
Even with DRS and ERS the Mercedes would have lost vs the F2004 if the Ferrari had the current slicks. The 2004 cars had full power all the time, the current cars need to gather energy and cannot be deploying the ERS constantly
That's right friend. I try to explain this all the time. Thanks
Lower revs limits on the merc didn't help either
Bring back the V10 use the current tire compounds and implement ERS and you have the ultimate racecar
It would be insane. Thank you friend
Bridgestone Grooved Tyres vs Pirelli Slicks
Now let’s do the same test at silverstone and I think the Mercedes stands a bigger chance because that Ferrari engine was a best 😮
That's not fear Monza is not the right track because it is just straight lines
You should try Spa because it is a mixture of turns and straight lines
Of course the higher displacement car will win around a power track, on a more technical track the Mercedes will win due to the significant increase in downforce.
Basically mostly race trim vs race trim
What is this app ❤
It's a game. Assetto Corsa
They had to change che rules to destroy ferrari’s SUPREMACY
This w11 stance ❤
The noise does it for me you cant beat it🔥gives u chicken when it screams past at 200mph😅I wonder if lewis will get chance to drive the F2004🤔would love to see him in it at monza on slicks 🏁🔥
It would be really cool for Hamilton to drive a Ferrari V10. Thanks for watching my friend
Why stop here? Next time do the black one with three wheels vs prius or golf.
This isn’t fair for the Mercedes,the Ferrari has a much more powerful engine and higher top speed,and monza is a track that relies on high speed,therefore going on a track like hockenheim or maybe even Monaco would be more fair
The best track for f2004 and the worst for w11. Try something in between. Bahrain or Silverstone for example
Lo único que le deberías haber sacado es el DRS, porque el otro sistema es fundamental para los autos de esta época y no tiene la culpa que el Ferrari f2004 no lo lleve.