@@RandomRobReviews Hey Rob! Hey Joe! I just purchased one of these after seeing the videos and community posts. Thank you both so much for your help. I ordered a custom job and John hooked me up. Appreciate it!
@@snwachuku Damn, thanks for such a quick reply! I really appreciate it as I’m trying to decide if I should purchase an OR2. Do you prefer your newer model? And does that one come with blue lume standard? Sorry to bother, just value an owners advice.
I love the 5-digit case, sword hands and the maxi dial - so I think this one is perfect for me...So I bought one, waiting to get it and find out for myself. Thank you Rob 🙂👍
@@fvlok I love it - I have the one with the aluminum insert. For me the 4 & 5 digit subs are perfect and this is as close as you can get to a 5-digit sub without it being a rep (though there are some who say it is)
I don’t know man, it depends on the watch and dial. I’m not sure how to describe it because I love sword hands, but then there’ll be a watch that makes me like Mercedes hands
I managed to get onto the waiting list for one of these. Cant wait. Amazing quality for the price and no way i could ever afford a scalped no date sub, stupid prices for what they are.
I own both the OR1 and the OR2 and they really are that good in terms of its quality, can hang easily with my Sub and BB58, the hype is real. Ginault basically used the retired 5-digit mid-case and bezel size/proportion and integrated all the modern features of the 6-digit solidness to this platform, basically a dream watch that Rolex should have made.
Ordered one 12/25, showed up 3/21. Right around 12 weeks wait. Only received an order confirmation and a shipping confirmation when it was done. He's definitely not wasting time on communicating lol. However, it is one of those rare instances where, in the end, it lived up to and exceeded expectations. In every possible way.
Awesome watch. I hesitate to get one 'cause I live in Germany. But I think that every experienced watchmaker can service the movement because it is a Sellita based, right?
Or for those of us who find the Rolex brand socially embarrassing, like wearing big gold chains. Ginault has very little brand recognition, so you can get a well built watch, but also be under the radar with the brand.
How's the bracelet? Lots of homage have really bad bracelet. Do they rattle? Sharp edges? Sometime after months of usage the bracelet will fall apart. Even the buckle.
I’ve got an OR2 and the bracelet is superb - no rattle, no sharp edges, built to last. Many people buy this bracelet separately from Ginault to put on other brands. Really is the most comfortable bracelet I own and I’ve got a Gen Rolex Datejust.
have own one and seen the other in person it does wear similar on wrist. however, BB58 is a from a reputable brand and has its design identity. ofcourse for the points mentioned you will pay few times for one.
@@harrykuo2573 I own both, sold the OR2 and then bought it back. BB58 is great but I think the OR2 holds its own. I bought the OR2 mainly because I love the 5 digit sub case and I think the OR2 looks better than bb58. The bb58 however blows the OR2 in terms of movement. The BB58 is phenomenaly accurate!
Chronometer is just a word of the English language. You can look it up in the dictionary. Neither the Swiss nor COSC have trademarked the word chronometer, nor could they.
I have the OR2 no date black bezel, to me it's like the top features compilation of all submariners... If rolex would like to make a 5513 milsub in 2023, I'm not sure they would make it better than this OR2. Coming from someone who used to buy rolexes, and now the brand name isn't something I feel comfortable with due to the games played on the Grey market, the attitude of the authorised dealers, and the symbol of the brand in 2023 ( just a show off brand now ). Cheers Rob
Trust the process. The owner is doing all the work. I went through same thing, but then realized he can either make watches or answer emails. He can’t do both lol. It’s worth the wait.
Rob, thank you so much for the encouraging words. John has been nothing but kind to me, but doesn’t seem to have a good grasp on reporting progress and I’m just kind of anal. By the way, you, TGV, and just one more watch on my three favorite channels, and I feel like I generally know you guys. It’s a very strange thing because I’m 61 years old and this technology is mind-boggling. Thanks again.
@@Delveinformation1 Hey I am 48 and shocked I can do what I do. My family is also shocked somehow I can get this done. Thankfully most of it is pretty easy. Keep me posted on any progress. Want to know what you think when you get it
Oh I’m going to scream from the rooftops if this watch is as beautiful as you say it is. Your review was outstanding and so professionally done that it really triggered me paying full retail of $1799 which is not chump change as we all know.
@@davidcrandall4958 hahahahahaha man Tissot Certina cannot compete at the same level as the Ginault OR2. Trust me on this Ginault production quality of the metal parts and the dial, on par with what Rolex and Tudor is doing.
@@Troy211 I agree 100%. I like Steinhart Watches and i had several in the past and currently own a GMT 500 premium 39mm, but the Ginault is way above Steinhart watches. I know many don't want to hear this, but Ginault is baiscally nearly on Rolex level finishing minus precious metals and the movement obviously. Quality wise it's crazy good. The big downside is absolutely no heritage and no original design (OR that is). The silent service is definitely an original design with the same great finishing quality.
The Ginault is actually a “homage” in the true definition as opposed to many that are just clones with a different brand (or no brand, or Rolex brand) on the dial
@@d3xmeister I don't understand what you're saying. I'm basically cool with anything as long as it's not an outright fake. Yes some brands copy even more than ginault does. Whatever. If I like the design and can experience it for 5%of the price, I'll do it.
@@anthonyonline4740 I’m kinda on the edge on this. I am not comfortable wearing and not comfortable seeing perfect copies of other watches minus the brand name. I get no enjoyment, from a watch that have no thought whatsoever put into its design. I’m OK with homages even if they are in a large percent inspired by other designs. For example, I like this Ginault a lot, that is what I call a homage.
Pretty close I suppose, I've heard/read people comparing Monta to Tudor in terms of quality, and I've heard/read the same about Ginault. I think the choice is all about design and history.
@@scbr2458 interesting. If is about history, and you're comparing ginault to anything, you have no choice but to run a mile from the one built in USA. No wait.... change that to 500 miles. We can play the proclaimers song while we both walk 500 miles away from one of the dodgiest brands in history.
@@anthonyonline4740 I currently own the better of the two and that is the OR2. I wanted to hate the OR2 I never liked the homage thing. I was a big time watch snob. I wouldn't be caught dead in a quartz, or a seiko, or some homage. Hell, I wouldn't wear anything that wasn't over five figures even just hanging out at my house. Thats where I come from. I can buy the real deal rolex if I want. But I got an OR2 at a super deal thinking i'd wear it (only in my house haha) to see if I like the size and how it wears to determine if I want to get a 5 digit sub. Then I'd flip it for a profit. But I have come to like it so much I no longer want a 5 digit sub and I still have the OR2. I wear it as my daily quite often. The OR2 is better than a 5 digit sub in quality and I personally think it looks better also with the sword hands and maxi dial markers. I am not a fan at all of the fugly rolex super case 6 digit subs. The new 41 isn't that much better but it is an improvement, I may pick one up. I still prefer the OR2 over the new 41 sub looks and design wise. I worked at a high end watch boutique in Vegas and I've seen just about every major sport watch out there in the metal, including micros, aside from a christopher ward. And nothing beats an OR2 for under $3k. I'd say even up to a higher price point of $4k but people will say the tudor in house movement beats a sellita. And they have a valid argument at that point. Movements aside the OR2 is Tudor quality I could argue even better for 1/4 the price. Tudor really isn't anything special. But marketing aside neither is Rolex for that matter. I'd say the watch level that clearly takes the OR2 out is the new gen Omega SMP 42 coming in at $5k. But the older omega 41 SMPc previous gen I'd say the OR2 is better quality than that as well (mechanical design fit and finish)... Breitling superocean is also worse than the OR2. The finishing on the case is about the worst I've ever seen especially at the price they charge. The dial is molded.... WTF.... If you want to discount a watch because some "dodgy past" and internet drama then do so. But working in the biz I've seen the major brands do all kinds of shady things behind the scenes and using chinese parts in super high end watches. So that mentality is a very slippery slope these days...
@N A And how are they better, exactly? Putting history and brand reputation aside as it can be very valuable to some people and mean very little to others. Seiko got the looks for sure at that price point, since they offer complicated, refined and unique dials. They don't offer much else, the accuracy and overall reliability is dodgy to say the least, and remains that way in the entire range until you get to Grand Seiko; Ginault, instead, offers close to (actually better) regulation than COSC standard. Ginault has a glidelock, Seiko only has a dive extension; Ginault's bracelet is the closer copy of a Rolex bracelet you'll find on the market, I guess it's a choice whether you like it more or less than a Seiko bracelet but it wouldn't be crazy at all to say it's better. And finally, QC (actually manufacturing tolerances but whatever) is probably better too, they are producing less so it's easier to check every single unit to an extremely rigorous degree, and then there is Seiko, do I need to say anything about that? You can still choose to buy a Seiko because they mostly don't make copies (not at that price point anyway) and because they have heritage, but objectively speaking, the Ginault has better specs than any Seiko under $2000. You can say the same about anything from Hamilton, Tag and Oris. The Aquis could be better built, although it isn't certain, but it costs at least $500 more and it isn't regulated at all. However regarding the first question, I think there are better watches for the money, anything COSC certified from Christopher Ward for starters could be a contender, probably a Longines Hydroconquest too if you are ok with trading movement accuracy for the excellent service the Swatch group provides (stores in every country too), and so on. Lastly I should add that plenty of people who own both Ginault and Tudor say the quality is practically the same, of how many brands can you say the same?
I bought a Ginault Rover 2 for 2 reasons. #1, I don't think there is a better looking dive watch out there in this price range. #2, It has a lot of controversy from the horological troll police who think they know better than anyone else what we should like and why. And I really don't give a damn. I had to be a part in all this fun!. I just tell people at parties that Ginault is owned by Tudor. "Hey, cool Rolex man". "No, it's a Ginault, made by Tudor man". See, I'm really getting my money's worth out of this watch!
I know right, along with why they stop making them in the first place. Come out with a OR3 with the signed clasp and a better way not to scratch the bracelet when you open the clasp hinge. They can even throw in different color ways while their at it.
Isn't the owner of Ginault a former replica watch dealer/maker? Definitely a quality watch but that's given when you source your watch cases and parts from good replica makers/factories in China. Well either way, it needs a movement with longer power reserve. E.g. the newer La Joux-Perret SA G100
@@ryan850r Read my post again: I'm not knocking on watches made in China. I'm questioning the owner/founder of Ginault who's been in connection with counterfeit factories in China in the past Made in China is not the point.
@@Emaratilfy he has totally done dodgy things in the past. I've also found my communication with the owner and my time in the FB group to be strange. It's a strange company. I'm staying away.
Yub we all know TC is behind the brand. That said the parts Ginault uses are not the common fake parts used in reps. Ginault or TC manufacture his own parts been doing that since the rep days, that's why his Subs were leagues above the others. Do your research. You will know
Here's a fun fact "At the beginning of his career, the great artist Michelangelo was a forger!" Should we now crucify all of Michelangelo's great work because of his earlier decisions? I don't care what the owner of Ginault did or didn’t do in the past. What matters to me now is that he is producing an awesome watch. I would almost say it's very close to Michelangelo's work in terms of greatness. The Ocean Rover 1 & 2 really is a great watch!
I could be wrong, but Ginault's website could have the stupidest layout in the world. Basically, all I saw was 'DISCONTINUED'. Got turned off....and nope!
Too much Rolex, a very thin line between a high end copy or homage. Plus who is Ginault? Looks like a Parnis on steroids. Although the quality seems to be great, I would rather prefer a diver from Longines, Seiko, Certina or for just 500$ more a Omega Seamaster Quartz (the original bond watch) from the 90s.
It’s a great watch and a perfect homage. Takes bits and pieces from older and modern sub models - definition of a homage really. Cheers Rob.
Rolex costs much more because of their name brand.
Thanks for the wonderful compliment about Kristen you made her smile while watching this. You're awesome man!
Looking forward to next meet up.
@@RandomRobReviews Hey Rob! Hey Joe! I just purchased one of these after seeing the videos and community posts. Thank you both so much for your help. I ordered a custom job and John hooked me up. Appreciate it!
Just got one! This thing is amazing. Sand lume, no date, black ceramic bezel. Gorgeous
How did you order that version? On the site directly or you asked them for that variation?
I got it on eBay at that time. I’ve since sold that one and I’m rocking the black ceramic with date and Smurf lume 💯💯
@@snwachuku Damn, thanks for such a quick reply! I really appreciate it as I’m trying to decide if I should purchase an OR2. Do you prefer your newer model? And does that one come with blue lume standard? Sorry to bother, just value an owners advice.
That blue insert is the best!
I got a silent service no date and I freaking love it! The watch is beautiful! They are making watches right! Very comfortable on the wrist!
I love the 5-digit case, sword hands and the maxi dial - so I think this one is perfect for me...So I bought one, waiting to get it and find out for myself. Thank you Rob 🙂👍
You won’t be disappointed 👍
I thought they stopped selling the Ocean Rover 2?
@@marcbrunengraber3507 I bought mine from a friend
What do you think about it? Do you still own it?
@@fvlok I love it - I have the one with the aluminum insert. For me the 4 & 5 digit subs are perfect and this is as close as you can get to a 5-digit sub without it being a rep (though there are some who say it is)
This is the only video that actually compares the OR2 to a modern sub.
Sword hands > Mercedes hands in my humble opinion
Can’t agree more
All day every day
I don’t know man, it depends on the watch and dial. I’m not sure how to describe it because I love sword hands, but then there’ll be a watch that makes me like Mercedes hands
I owned a Ginault. And it was stunning quality. Sometimes i miss it
I like it! That blue bezel is really nice 👌
Thanks for the solid review; I've just liked & subscribed. I have 3 Ginault watches and I'm super happy with them. Fantastic quality.
Best of both worlds ‘in inspiration’ (the small case, newer ceramics parts).
Looks much better than a sub! No date with sword hands!!!!!
I have had both versions of the OR. It's a beautiful watch. Has a place right next to my Explorer.
I managed to get onto the waiting list for one of these. Cant wait. Amazing quality for the price and no way i could ever afford a scalped no date sub, stupid prices for what they are.
I own both the OR1 and the OR2 and they really are that good in terms of its quality, can hang easily with my Sub and BB58, the hype is real. Ginault basically used the retired 5-digit mid-case and bezel size/proportion and integrated all the modern features of the 6-digit solidness to this platform, basically a dream watch that Rolex should have made.
I agree... This is the watch Rolex should be making but never will. I can have a real Sub if I want and I daily a OR2. I like it better.
I have both the ocean rover 1 and 2 and they are great watches.
It's a very cool looking and well made piece. Difficult to buy in Europe though. I wouldn't mind owning one of these.
I'll get one next year. I love it.
That’s a beauty!❤️
Looks amazing 💪
Did he even manage to ding the ceramic bezel at the "40"? That would take some doing.
this looks so much nicer than sub
I like this watch where can I buy it?
Ordered one 12/25, showed up 3/21. Right around 12 weeks wait. Only received an order confirmation and a shipping confirmation when it was done. He's definitely not wasting time on communicating lol. However, it is one of those rare instances where, in the end, it lived up to and exceeded expectations. In every possible way.
Awesome watch.
I hesitate to get one 'cause I live in Germany.
But I think that every experienced watchmaker can service the movement because it is a Sellita based, right?
Any skilled watchmaker shall be able to service that
SW-201 is based on the 2824-2
how much is it for sale Rob?
Nice watch for those of us that cannot afford the actual. Cheers!!!
Or for those of us who find the Rolex brand socially embarrassing, like wearing big gold chains. Ginault has very little brand recognition, so you can get a well built watch, but also be under the radar with the brand.
Does anybody know where to buy a blue ceramic bezel for a Ginault I Prototype?
How's the bracelet? Lots of homage have really bad bracelet. Do they rattle? Sharp edges? Sometime after months of usage the bracelet will fall apart. Even the buckle.
I’ve got an OR2 and the bracelet is superb - no rattle, no sharp edges, built to last. Many people buy this bracelet separately from Ginault to put on other brands. Really is the most comfortable bracelet I own and I’ve got a Gen Rolex Datejust.
Awesome watch - terrible website lol
I’ve just sold my ginualt Or2 black ceramic version (with regret obviously)
but Rob my question is - is it is as good as a BB58?
have own one and seen the other in person it does wear similar on wrist. however, BB58 is a from a reputable brand and has its design identity. ofcourse for the points mentioned you will pay few times for one.
@@harrykuo2573 I own both, sold the OR2 and then bought it back. BB58 is great but I think the OR2 holds its own. I bought the OR2 mainly because I love the 5 digit sub case and I think the OR2 looks better than bb58. The bb58 however blows the OR2 in terms of movement. The BB58 is phenomenaly accurate!
Can’t understand why Ginault stopped producing this model. No reason they couldn’t sell this alongside their current Silent Service model.
They have it back up and available on their website now for order!
Is it discuntinue?
That’s not a bad watch. The Dial is a bit busy on text, Definitely like The sword style hands.
very nice
The dial refers to "Precision Chronometer." Does it actually have chronometer certification?
Yes, they come with paperwork that shows the testing and what how the watch is running in, I think, 6 positions.
Not COSC though. Just their own certification that is basically the same. COSC only certifies swiss watches I believe.
Chronometer is just a word of the English language. You can look it up in the dictionary. Neither the Swiss nor COSC have trademarked the word chronometer, nor could they.
I have the OR2 no date black bezel, to me it's like the top features compilation of all submariners... If rolex would like to make a 5513 milsub in 2023, I'm not sure they would make it better than this OR2.
Coming from someone who used to buy rolexes, and now the brand name isn't something I feel comfortable with due to the games played on the Grey market, the attitude of the authorised dealers, and the symbol of the brand in 2023 ( just a show off brand now ).
Cheers Rob
I am now in my 7th week after ordering, and although I am not being ghosted, I am being given no actual status. I prepaid, and am a little nervous.
Trust the process. The owner is doing all the work. I went through same thing, but then realized he can either make watches or answer emails. He can’t do both lol. It’s worth the wait.
Rob, thank you so much for the encouraging words. John has been nothing but kind to me, but doesn’t seem to have a good grasp on reporting progress and I’m just kind of anal. By the way, you, TGV, and just one more watch on my three favorite channels, and I feel like I generally know you guys. It’s a very strange thing because I’m 61 years old and this technology is mind-boggling. Thanks again.
@@Delveinformation1
Hey I am 48 and shocked I can do what I do. My family is also shocked somehow I can get this done. Thankfully most of it is pretty easy. Keep me posted on any progress. Want to know what you think when you get it
Oh I’m going to scream from the rooftops if this watch is as beautiful as you say it is. Your review was outstanding and so professionally done that it really triggered me paying full retail of $1799 which is not chump change as we all know.
someone put tudor bb heritage's guts in this and we'll have a modern tudor sub!
Before you got really close to the camera it looked new and pristine
So the site says these are all discontinued...shame.
For some reason I thought they were priced closer to 2k ,I think $1200 is a steal for the quality they offer.
I would rather get A Tissot or A certina for this kind of money!!
@@davidcrandall4958 what ginault delivers for $1200 bucks is impressive.
@@davidcrandall4958 hahahahahaha man Tissot Certina cannot compete at the same level as the Ginault OR2. Trust me on this Ginault production quality of the metal parts and the dial, on par with what Rolex and Tudor is doing.
@@rolexsubcasewearsbettertha9571 Agree with you, I think the main area it falls short is movement but it is standard for this price range I guess.
5 digit sub with a maxi dial
Why is the Ginault 2 to 3 times more expensive than the Steinhart?
I own both. If you could hold both in your hands you'll see that they look very similar but are not the same. The Ginault is of a higher quality.
@@Troy211 I agree 100%. I like Steinhart Watches and i had several in the past and currently own a GMT 500 premium 39mm, but the Ginault is way above Steinhart watches. I know many don't want to hear this, but Ginault is baiscally nearly on Rolex level finishing minus precious metals and the movement obviously. Quality wise it's crazy good. The big downside is absolutely no heritage and no original design (OR that is). The silent service is definitely an original design with the same great finishing quality.
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What movement is in the watch?
SW200
@@danspanos a good base movement...it's a work horse and easily serviceable. Thanks for sharing!
You know they make Invicta Pro Divers with an SW 200 for 250 Dollars!
@@davidcrandall4958 seriously? Did not know that.
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These range from $1500-$1800 actually
The Ginault is actually a “homage” in the true definition as opposed to many that are just clones with a different brand (or no brand, or Rolex brand) on the dial
It's not a clone if it's branded differently.
@@anthonyonline4740 It is, but not in the true definition, but it’s the same for “homage”, right ?
@@d3xmeister I don't understand what you're saying.
I'm basically cool with anything as long as it's not an outright fake. Yes some brands copy even more than ginault does. Whatever. If I like the design and can experience it for 5%of the price, I'll do it.
@@anthonyonline4740 I’m kinda on the edge on this. I am not comfortable wearing and not comfortable seeing perfect copies of other watches minus the brand name. I get no enjoyment, from a watch that have no thought whatsoever put into its design. I’m OK with homages even if they are in a large percent inspired by other designs. For example, I like this Ginault a lot, that is what I call a homage.
The owner of this company is Tsung Chi. A man with a number of aliases including the famed Rolex counterfeiter Thomas Caddell.
It'd be perfect if they used 904l steel
It's better than the Monta diver?
Pretty close I suppose, I've heard/read people comparing Monta to Tudor in terms of quality, and I've heard/read the same about Ginault. I think the choice is all about design and history.
@@scbr2458 interesting.
If is about history, and you're comparing ginault to anything, you have no choice but to run a mile from the one built in USA. No wait.... change that to 500 miles. We can play the proclaimers song while we both walk 500 miles away from one of the dodgiest brands in history.
Quality wise yes.
@@danielstrack964 do you own both?
@@anthonyonline4740 I currently own the better of the two and that is the OR2. I wanted to hate the OR2 I never liked the homage thing. I was a big time watch snob. I wouldn't be caught dead in a quartz, or a seiko, or some homage. Hell, I wouldn't wear anything that wasn't over five figures even just hanging out at my house. Thats where I come from. I can buy the real deal rolex if I want. But I got an OR2 at a super deal thinking i'd wear it (only in my house haha) to see if I like the size and how it wears to determine if I want to get a 5 digit sub. Then I'd flip it for a profit. But I have come to like it so much I no longer want a 5 digit sub and I still have the OR2. I wear it as my daily quite often. The OR2 is better than a 5 digit sub in quality and I personally think it looks better also with the sword hands and maxi dial markers. I am not a fan at all of the fugly rolex super case 6 digit subs. The new 41 isn't that much better but it is an improvement, I may pick one up. I still prefer the OR2 over the new 41 sub looks and design wise.
I worked at a high end watch boutique in Vegas and I've seen just about every major sport watch out there in the metal, including micros, aside from a christopher ward. And nothing beats an OR2 for under $3k. I'd say even up to a higher price point of $4k but people will say the tudor in house movement beats a sellita. And they have a valid argument at that point. Movements aside the OR2 is Tudor quality I could argue even better for 1/4 the price. Tudor really isn't anything special. But marketing aside neither is Rolex for that matter. I'd say the watch level that clearly takes the OR2 out is the new gen Omega SMP 42 coming in at $5k. But the older omega 41 SMPc previous gen I'd say the OR2 is better quality than that as well (mechanical design fit and finish)... Breitling superocean is also worse than the OR2. The finishing on the case is about the worst I've ever seen especially at the price they charge. The dial is molded.... WTF....
If you want to discount a watch because some "dodgy past" and internet drama then do so. But working in the biz I've seen the major brands do all kinds of shady things behind the scenes and using chinese parts in super high end watches. So that mentality is a very slippery slope these days...
Only if anyone take in hand the ocean rover 2 will understand that scream Quality! Its better from rolex!
I can’t think of a better $1200 dive watch.
@N A name them
Tissot,certina Hamilton,Orient!
@N A And how are they better, exactly? Putting history and brand reputation aside as it can be very valuable to some people and mean very little to others. Seiko got the looks for sure at that price point, since they offer complicated, refined and unique dials. They don't offer much else, the accuracy and overall reliability is dodgy to say the least, and remains that way in the entire range until you get to Grand Seiko; Ginault, instead, offers close to (actually better) regulation than COSC standard. Ginault has a glidelock, Seiko only has a dive extension; Ginault's bracelet is the closer copy of a Rolex bracelet you'll find on the market, I guess it's a choice whether you like it more or less than a Seiko bracelet but it wouldn't be crazy at all to say it's better. And finally, QC (actually manufacturing tolerances but whatever) is probably better too, they are producing less so it's easier to check every single unit to an extremely rigorous degree, and then there is Seiko, do I need to say anything about that? You can still choose to buy a Seiko because they mostly don't make copies (not at that price point anyway) and because they have heritage, but objectively speaking, the Ginault has better specs than any Seiko under $2000. You can say the same about anything from Hamilton, Tag and Oris. The Aquis could be better built, although it isn't certain, but it costs at least $500 more and it isn't regulated at all. However regarding the first question, I think there are better watches for the money, anything COSC certified from Christopher Ward for starters could be a contender, probably a Longines Hydroconquest too if you are ok with trading movement accuracy for the excellent service the Swatch group provides (stores in every country too), and so on. Lastly I should add that plenty of people who own both Ginault and Tudor say the quality is practically the same, of how many brands can you say the same?
I will take a Formex before this….
@@mmadchef808 Have you bought one?
I bought a Ginault Rover 2 for 2 reasons. #1, I don't think there is a better looking dive watch out there in this price range. #2, It has a lot of controversy from the horological troll police who think they know better than anyone else what we should like and why. And I really don't give a damn. I had to be a part in all this fun!. I just tell people at parties that Ginault is owned by Tudor. "Hey, cool Rolex man". "No, it's a Ginault, made by Tudor man". See, I'm really getting my money's worth out of this watch!
You should do your own research then and discover who the real owner of this company is.
If San Martin can sign their clap and have an applied logo on their dial for a $350 watch, Ginault can do it for $1200.
Haha. You must copy and paste on all Ginault vids.
I know right, along with why they stop making them in the first place. Come out with a OR3 with the signed clasp and a better way not to scratch the bracelet when you open the clasp hinge. They can even throw in different color ways while their at it.
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So much better looking than the sub. Those stupid Mercedes hands really cheapen the sub as far as looks.
Isn't the owner of Ginault a former replica watch dealer/maker?
Definitely a quality watch but that's given when you source your watch cases and parts from good replica makers/factories in China.
Well either way, it needs a movement with longer power reserve. E.g. the newer La Joux-Perret SA G100
All watches are built in China so that designation doesn't matter.
@@ryan850r Read my post again:
I'm not knocking on watches made in China.
I'm questioning the owner/founder of Ginault who's been in connection with counterfeit factories in China in the past
Made in China is not the point.
@@Emaratilfy he has totally done dodgy things in the past. I've also found my communication with the owner and my time in the FB group to be strange.
It's a strange company. I'm staying away.
Yub we all know TC is behind the brand. That said the parts Ginault uses are not the common fake parts used in reps. Ginault or TC manufacture his own parts been doing that since the rep days, that's why his Subs were leagues above the others. Do your research. You will know
Here's a fun fact "At the beginning of his career, the great artist Michelangelo was a forger!" Should we now crucify all of Michelangelo's great work because of his earlier decisions? I don't care what the owner of Ginault did or didn’t do in the past. What matters to me now is that he is producing an awesome watch. I would almost say it's very close to Michelangelo's work in terms of greatness. The Ocean Rover 1 & 2 really is a great watch!
Looks great but would be improved by removing the last 2 lines of script on the dial. Less is more.
100% agree.
The last 2 lines are unnecessary. It's like they tried hard to sound fancy. But nobody cares. It's just like any other dive watch.
I could be wrong, but Ginault's website could have the stupidest layout in the world. Basically, all I saw was 'DISCONTINUED'. Got turned off....and nope!
because they are in the process of rolling out the new silent service watch and currently not taking orders on these....
Too much Rolex, a very thin line between a high end copy or homage. Plus who is Ginault? Looks like a Parnis on steroids. Although the quality seems to be great, I would rather prefer a diver from Longines, Seiko, Certina or for just 500$ more a Omega Seamaster Quartz (the original bond watch) from the 90s.
I hate the red second hand
Ginault has a very sketchy past. Full of lies & deception. Nice watch though. There are better options.
What are the better options at this price range?
Complete Copy
Complete ripoff garbage 🚮