EBAY LS TURBO HEADERS....LETS SEE HOW BAD THEY REALLY ARE
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2020
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THE SPARK PLUG WITE ISSUE IS SOLVED! And I was also able to get the coils further away from the headers, so it was 2 problems solved at once. 👍🏻 Here’s the video link. ruclips.net/video/0C7HStejXuw/видео.html
Thanks for the video! These headers wouldn't work down and forward in a 3rd gen huh? Guessing no clearance
Ackshually, I hate up and forwards. That being said I’m watching to see what you say
I know you do brother.....I’ve watched your videos for years. You probably don’t remember me but I used to chat with you in LS1tech way back when under the screen name Liltroy. 😉 I was always a nitrous guy so in the beginning when you were throwing nitrous on bullshit I was loving it. After watching you for several years you convinced me to try boost so I boosted the C10 I had swapped and started this channel about 3 years ago. In a round about way you’re partially responsible for this cluster fuck. 🤣🤣🤣
this comment is what makes me love youtube.. buddies meeting again after years
Ahhh...the guru of all my minuscule LS boost knowledge! Thanks for documenting all your Sloppy wrenching! We're not worthy....😅
Always enjoy the videos and knowledge sir! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you so very much, for caring enough to show us the many things that most of us stay up at night about. If there is anything I can help with let me know!
Love the videos.. keep up the great work. I would try to make a Z bracket to move the coil pack up and in like you were thinking
Thank you for making this video, I was perplexed by the flange being wrong on both sets I ordered, then the bolts too. 🦅
No problem brother. They really are a great budget option if you don’t mind putting in a little work. If you check out some of the newer Chaos Theory videos, we’ve been making over 900hp on these for a couple years now and they’ve held up really well.
thank you i have a ls with a truck alternater and want to do a turbo build you answered all my questions hope all is well
Dude thank y’all for your videos ! This will be my last Rodeo after a 12 year divorce and now starting with a 72 Nova and no idea about LS’s and Turbos but have to build 1 or Attempt too .... Great 👍 job and Great friends ! My medication is Tequila! Feel better
I can’t wait to hear Chaos Theory fire up!! I’m enjoying this video series!
Man you clear stuff up
This is a really good video to show how up and forward headers are not an easy option. I'm not sure if you are promoting them or if you are thinking they are a real problem. Either way you are educating people on what is going on and that deserves 2 thumbs up. I'm trying to turbocharge a small block chevy in a 81 chevy truck, and I'm going through the same problem. They almost touch the brake booster, and the outlets are too close to the radiator. I think any vehicle will have the same issues radiator, master cylinder, and the front accessory brackets. I think changing the plugs is probably the only thing that is easy on my situation.
Not really promoting them brother, just showing what needs to be done to use them. We’ve used them both NA and with boost on this car now and I’ve been very happy with the performance. As you can see from the more recent videos this car runs in the 5s now and these headers are still going strong. My only issue is I do with I could have ran them down and forward instead of up and forward, but we may be able to change that up once I eventually switch the steering over to a pinto rack. 👍
Good video. Have same style headers and they are super close to the power steering pump. Thanks for the info gonna have to investigate a way to fix my plug wires like you said
Be sure to check out the new video in the morning. I talk a bit more about the wire situation.
Problem solved. 😉 ruclips.net/video/0C7HStejXuw/видео.html
This video answered my questions about the ebay headers. They’ll work fine on my S10 since I am doing away with inner fender wells and whatnot.
They don't work on S10 they won't come close to clearing the steering shaft. You have to modify the number 7 cylinder tube to go around the steering shaft.
I had to buy some expensive wires cause they touched but you have some great ideas damn I wish you put this video out sooner I would have tried some of your ideas
You nailed those measurements are priceless ,,, and i Vote yes on future 3582's p.s don't bust a knuckle ya won't know ya did i till it wakes you up in the morning,,😆 C U soon,, i,m scribed
Good info in this video!!
Great info you’ve shared here, I been planning for a single turbo but this can be a start. 👍🏼
We’ve done single turbo builds on the channel as well. 😉
@@BadLuckGarage will be going thru to check them out.
@@luiscarrasquillo9743 Check out the Project Steppinwolf turbo C10 playlist we did about 6 years ago. It was actually my first turbo LS build and we did it just about as cheap as we could at that point in time. Stock manifolds, used exhaust piping for the hotside, etc. everything was either used or eBay parts and we built the entire turbo setup for less than $800.
@@BadLuckGarage will be looking for it, appreciate your info 👍🏼
Grab a set of universal cut to length plug wires, and grab the Taylor lsx coil end boots. Make em as long as you need, I routed mine towards the back then down under the header.
Like I said, that’s most likely what will happen eventually. But I wanna try the shorter wires first for those who suggested it. They’re already ordered and if they don’t work out then I have a set of new wires for the Chinavette so it’s a win win situation. 👍🏻
I have the up and forward headers from Ebay. Mine are shaped just a little different at the collector but same thing none the less. I have wrapped the headers and used the plug wire sock. The plug wires in the socks do sit on the headers but I figured with the dual layer it should be fine. I am also using the truck accessories. The only issue I have is the power steering cap is hard to remove. The back 2 plugs and each side are harder to change but not impossible. Have to use an extension and a wobbly socket. By the way, you think they are bad now, just wait until the headers are wrapped and then put the plugs and wires in/on. Hope you're wearing a long sleeve. My arms itched for days. I was also able to use the truck dipstick tube. I'm running 1 gt45 turbo mounted on the passenger side battery tray.
That’s just part of header wrap life brother. I’ve been doing the fiberglass wrap itch for about 25 years now. 🤣
Problem solved. 😉 ruclips.net/video/0C7HStejXuw/видео.html
I have the running the same headers. Didn't have the same problems. On the ones I got one v band on the drivers side is an inch further forward and the back of the header was touching the steering shaft.
You drive a box Chevy huh? Lmao
Brother, I was dieing with you flopping that plug wire around for 5 mins. Looked like it had just took a good long piss lmao
LMFAO!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks, this video helped me out .
Glad to hear brother. 👍🏻
@@BadLuckGarage
I'll be purchasing them this week. Hope it all fits.🤞🏻
Yup the same ones I got but thank you for the good info
I double wrapped mine...didn't matter. The wires got brittle. Looking forward to your other method. Gonna try it this week.
Yea brother, spacing the coil brackets and running shorter wires worked perfectly. I never even wrapped my headers and after doing that and the wires are perfect. 👍
So did you end up using the umi f body/gbody k member side mounts and just 4th gen camaro engine side mounts? I love how low you got it sitting in there! I'm working on a similar twin ls swap in a third gen. Just waiting on a converter and I can start putting it together!
Yes sir. There’s a playlist for every build on the channel showing everything we do to them. Here’s the one for Chaos Theory if you wanna check it out. ruclips.net/p/PLnObA-smhvwN1TT5PHPgNtDY_swYp_TVY
Big fan of the channel, but I have a set of up and forwards that hug closer to the head than yours (ebay china specials), and the truck alternator bracket doesn't fit.
Great tutorial thanks
Glad you found it helpful. 👍
I just got the same headers and I was like wtf with the bolt holes on them. Looked and saw this video. Thank you! Thought I was loosing my mind lol.
Glad it helped brother. 👍
@@BadLuckGarage did you end up using M8 bolts with washers since the holes were 1/2”?
@@DandDPerformanceEngines I use the same stainless stud kit from BNS2000 on all my builds as mentioned in the video. The link to the kit is in the video description.
Is this gunna be single or twin turbo, man you think about 5th gen manifolds down and forward?
Honestly no I haven’t even thought about 5th gen manifolds. I’ve never my hands on them to see how they would fit. These things are garbage but they’re going to allow me to easily go from NA to Nitrous to twins with no fabrication. I can’t weld at all past globing weld on broken bolts to get them out. If you saw the turbo C10 I did a few years back you’ll note I had a buddy that did all my welding. We used truck manifolds down and forward on that build. He’s not around anymore. So the only welder I have is my cousin who works out of town a lot. That’s makes it difficult for me to get any real fabrication done. So I figured I’d go the cheap and easy route and see what I could do with these pieces of shit.
Sloppy Mechanics 5th gen mani’s are def a good choice
i broke for the Flowtech headers..Oddly enough they had the exact same issue with the passenger side header, the collector was canted down and in, just like yours. Almost like it came off the same jig the cheaper Chinese one did!!
It seems like any header that you can buy now is garbage. The fit is terrible, whoever designs them never even considers spark plug access or equal length tubes. I build a lot of custom headers, there is no doubt my customers end up with a large bill when finished but they are getting true equal length headers, straight plug sockets will fit on all spark plugs and I tuck the headers up nice and high in the chassis so they wont hit the ground. Apparently some guys do not mind paying for quality work, I am usually working on one set with 2 cars in line waiting. Have a good one and good luck with your projects.
So I'm thinking about making a bracket to move the coils closer to the intake to take slop out of the wires so they dont touch the headers. Opinions?
Bad Luck Garage if you had the short tube you might have problem when mounting turbos
Bad Luck Garage if you had a wire that had to touch using header wrap around the plug wire would help but how long we need someone to try this
Either that or possibly mount the coils to the block? Keep up the great work brother! 😎🤘
I would say see your latest post about shortening the wires 😂
I forgot where I bought them but oreillys or autozone sells coil pack lifters for $50
What about making a spacer for your in between the coil and valve cover to take up the slack
This videos 6 months old brother. I covered the fix in the follow up video thats linked in the pinned comment. 👍
Wrap the headers and boot the plugs. Will look good. What engine mounts did you use for the motor?
Great video!
ruclips.net/p/PLnObA-smhvwN1TT5PHPgNtDY_swYp_TVY
Problem solved. 😉 ruclips.net/video/0C7HStejXuw/видео.html
I have the cxracing turbo kit on my 98 trans am, and man do the headers suck. they work, but they are tight. I used hesder wrap and wire sleeves to protect the wires. I use the Taylor 409 wires that just sneak by all that nonsense but not looking forward to changing sparkplug lol have to remove pretty much the entire turbo system to change plugs. good thing I wanna swap out the gt45 to a VSR 7875 anyway.
Lol ball huggers
I just bought a set of long tubes on Ebay
hey stupid question, can you rotate them to opposite sides and have them just upwards and rear facing?
Yes
Thank you for calling out the bed wetters that add their BS to the comments
No problem brother. 🤣👍
I flipped truck manifolds, and I'm going from the plug, out and over the headers to each coil pack. Each wire will make a "C." I bought a set of cut to length wires, and plan to make wires next week. Any reason that won't work?
It probably would, but in the case of these headers it would be much easier to just shorten the wires I have to take the slack out. 😉 The last turbo build we did on the channel we used truck manifolds as well but instead of flipping them we left them down and swapped sides. Made for a nice factory looking install and stock plug wires worked great. Check out the turbo C10 playlist if you wanna see what we did.
I want to use them in forward & down if it will clear the a/c alt/ crank etc
In this car they hit the frame rails and steering box in the down and forward configuration.
I had to move coils no matter what I did it still burnt the wire with or without the covers you'll have to grind the flanges to get the plugs in and allow room for the boots to go onto the plugs
O ya grind them at the plug angle
I can get the boots on fine but relocating the coils may have to happen if the new wires I just ordered don’t work out. I talk more about that in the video I’m editing right now. Video should be up early tomorrow morning. 👍🏻
Problem solved. 😉 ruclips.net/video/0C7HStejXuw/видео.html
We destroyed my oil dipstick tube from my Muscle Car oil pan kit trying to get it to fit my turbo manifold!!! In the end we had to cut to length and mark the truck “dipstick” to measure/match the oil level accurately and use the truck tube. The truck tube literally bolted right on after we wasted an hour on the Muscle Car setup. 😉😎
That’s actually plan B. 😉 I’d thought about trimming the truck dipstick as well but all the truck dipstick tubes I have the bracket is broken off. Lol. If I can’t bend this LS3 tune the way I need then I’ll probably just buy another truck one and go that direction as well.
Bad Luck Garage The problem we ran into, once we heated/bent the tube to make room for the #6 spark plug the bends were to sharp and the stick wouldn’t go through! 😳
Funny you mention the broken tabs, Richard had to tack weld the tab back on! 🤣🤣🤣
Yea that tabs been broken off in every LS engine I’ve ever bought! I’ve got three truck dipstick tunes over here and not one tab!🤣
Something else I’ve thought about is just cutting a truck tube off shorter to let me use the LS3 dipstick and just flailing the cut end so the dipstick will still latch into it. It looks to just be a simple single flair.
Do you think there is enough room to flip he headers around so they will go down and forward instead? Im just wondering for my build 🤔
They wouldnt fit that way on mine.
I cut spacers to raise the coil bracket. That stretched took out the slack in the wires.
Damn good idea! Thank you!
Bad Luck Garage or you can get valve cover spacers. I think they come in pre-made of .5 in. But I’m sure you can find someone to make taller if necessary. Might be a cleaner look if that’s a concern
Ok spacers aren’t gonna work. The taller you make the valve cover the closer it puts the coils and wires to the up and over headers. It actually makes the problem worse.
Guess new brackets like you said moving them up and in toward intake.
Since you had to open the bolt holes, I'm curious if the primaries lined up. I'd lay a gasket on the flange and see if there's still an issue
The primaries are twice the size of the exhaust ports. Trust me, its not an issue,lol.
@@BadLuckGarage thank you for your response. I appreciate the information from the video, and the response. New sub to you brother
Glad you found it helpful brother. You should check out the newer videos of this car. This videos over 2 years old. At this point Chaos Theory has been cam only, then a nitrous car, and now it’s twin turboed and running 5s in the 1/8. 😉
@@BadLuckGarage hell yeah. I'll be checking out more in my spare time as I have a s10 blazer project I'm going to start, and I'm shifting my channel from firearms to automotive and garage content.
I would space up the coil pack bracket so the wires would be more direct with less wire left over
Yea I actually designed entire new coil brackets tonight. Only to realize I was over complicating a simple problem. I just need shorter wires.
If you’re in the Bad Luck Garage Facebook group, I just posted pictures of the new coil brackets I spent 4 hours designing tonight. Lol
Single turbo setup. Is it necessary to change both sides? Or will it be fine just replacing the Turbo side? Also what size injectors would you recommend? 2001 Silverado ls 1500 5.3l Vortec.
No, depends on your setup but you’ll still have to tie both sides together, depends on how much power you plan to make and what kind of fuel you plan to run. Check out my video “how much does it cost to turbocharge and LS engine” to see a basic low budget setup.
Iv watched it multiple times hahaa.. this truck is my daily driver. Regular pump fuel nothing special. Iv got the GT45 turbo. The only thing I’m stuck with is the exhaust manifolds, Fuel injectors. I’m not planning on anything more than 600 at the wheels. Right now it’s pushing around 387hp-392hp in general. Not at the wheels.
@@Mreasytoo you can buy a log manifold of eBay for about $250. Have n exhaust shop build your crossover or you can order the manifold and crossover as a set on eBay for a little more. Decapped injectors would be fine for 600ish hp if you’re running pump gas.
Will they work any better for ya if u go down and forward or are u set on up and forward 🦅🦅🦅🦅
They won’t fit that way. Drivers side hits steering shaft and buckle, and passenger side completely blocks water pump heater hose outlets.
You would really love changing the back plug on 02 camaro.
Been there, done that. Definitely DIDNT love it. 🤣
gotta break out the hole saw for that one
🤣👍🏻
So more or less your better off doin like you did before and making a set like stepping wolf but I like your plan of relocating coils then you can get some shiny valve covers and sorry I commented so many times I’m writing as I watch
Yes. The only reason I decided to try these is because I don’t have anyone to modify and weld a set of truck headers like we did in SteppinWolf. I can barely weld a glob to get broken exhaust bolts out with this flux core setup. No way can I modify manifolds and weld vbands. I’ve got a cousin who has a tig and is a welder in the sheet metal union but he travels a lot and I don’t think I could rely on him being able to do this.
Go low with the coil brackets ,, like that inside fender well ledge is waiting for them to land in there like runway lol,,,
Problem solved. 😉 ruclips.net/video/0C7HStejXuw/видео.html
That's exactly where I wanna mount mine if I ever put a Turbo on their on the frame rail haha🤣🤣🤣
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤣
@@BadLuckGarage I have jacked around so long now The place I work for is closing after 14 years and had to pile everything in my little 30 by 30 shop All the junk I've been collecting for the last 14 years
I’m sorry to hear that brother. 😔
Could you get away with turning the coil brackets 180 degrees to shorten your plug wires?
I don’t think the wires would reach. But I’m thinking about moving them up closer to the fuel rails.
What About Running your Plug Wires Under Your Headers . That is How I Run Mine On My Race Car
Read the pinned comment.
Heat wrap and boots, I say to people, put chicken in tin foil and throw it on your grill... does the chicken cook?
That’s was my thinking as well. Double layers FTW. But I’ve finally figured out the simple solution last night....shorter wires. Lol
Problem solved. 😉 ruclips.net/video/0C7HStejXuw/видео.html
how did they hold up
ruclips.net/p/PLnObA-smhvwN1TT5PHPgNtDY_swYp_TVY
GM (and the rest of the "big-three" for that matter, yeah, I'm "that" old, ) have been running spark hoses "under " the exhaust manifolds since the 50's, I don't see why they couldn't be run that way on a late model LS
They can and many people do, but theres no need really. Check out the solution video I did a few videos after this one to see what I came up with. Link is in the pinned comment.👍
Do you tune ecu
I do all my own tuning. But I don’t tune for anyone else.
What water pump are you running ?
ruclips.net/video/_HgnHghDen0/видео.html
Everyone bitches about ebay until they score a brand new borg warner s366 twin scroll for $800aud.
Lol ball huggers.
Ball huggers and Nut snugglers, all of em! Lol
Coil fix relocate.. wires underneath ...up and forward not over eBay headers unbranded branded short long collector header LOL
Are you having a seizure?