Jim Cornette Reviews Episode Two Of Mr. McMahon on Netflix

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • From Episode 361 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Комментарии • 493

  • @JoeMercersWay
    @JoeMercersWay 2 часа назад +103

    Jim doing a great job of making Pat come off worse

    • @dan7478
      @dan7478 2 часа назад +35

      And himself.

    • @KingGhidorah5464
      @KingGhidorah5464 Час назад +6

      It got lost in translation, but he's right about the fact a poorly aged but not uncommon for the time locker room behavior shouldn't be enough to incriminate Pat as predator who was abusing his influence in the office.

    • @ThePunk01
      @ThePunk01 Час назад +15

      Made the whole locker room look worse tbh 😂

    • @justinsayswtf
      @justinsayswtf Час назад +8

      @@KingGhidorah5464 There was a way to make that point without being as crass about it as Jim was here. He considered Pat a mentor and a friend so he came at it from a purely defensive standpoint which did neither Pat or himself any favors.

    • @TheHairyGorilla
      @TheHairyGorilla 35 минут назад +1

      @@KingGhidorah5464 and Brian is still right no matter the day its not normal or right lol.

  • @Raj80191
    @Raj80191 Час назад +44

    What's odd about touching someone inappropriately in the shower?
    A lot of things actually

    • @hurgenflerg2133
      @hurgenflerg2133 39 минут назад +2

      And even back then, if that behavior went public, it would have ruined the reputation of the company. It would have had more to do with anti-gay sentiments than any kind of common decency, but that wouldn't change much.

  • @muzman486
    @muzman486 Час назад +31

    Never mind Vince’s childhood, now I want to know about Jim’s childhood after that Patterson rant…😂

  • @Zeke_O3773
    @Zeke_O3773 2 часа назад +40

    I’m 7 years older than Brian and 12 younger than Jim… I definitely come down as anti “grabbing random people’s junk in the locker room” for giggles.
    I wonder where the generational divide happened on locker room butt-thumbing. 🤔

    • @JohnSmith-ek8rj
      @JohnSmith-ek8rj Час назад +5

      It makes me laugh to hear all these stories about how tough wrestlers were in the day. As a man who grew up in the south during this era, I can assure you that if these guys tried this stuff in the outside world they would have been shot or stabbed fairly quickly. 99% of this stuff is bs.

    • @27MOJOKING
      @27MOJOKING 40 минут назад

      Always been weirdo behavior. People just kept mouths shut and didnt get in others business yrs ago. also Corney wants to push all gay people good narrative.

    • @ryanjacobson2508
      @ryanjacobson2508 18 минут назад

      ​@@27MOJOKINGShow business (including wrestling) has always had warped values.

  • @justinsayswtf
    @justinsayswtf 2 часа назад +31

    This is not the first time that Jim has defended Pat Patterson and will not be the last. His view and Bruce Pritchard's view on the claims about Patterson have always aligned. Basically "I don't believe anyone saying he did anything untoward. Grabbing penises in the locker room was something the boys used to do for fun back in the day and it's not inappropriate."
    It's a wild take, but it should surprise no one. A lot of guys will defend Pat Patterson to the death because they liked him personally and therefore he could do no wrong.

    • @natelandherr5202
      @natelandherr5202 51 минуту назад

      @@justinsayswtf I CAN believe there was homoerotic hazing, but that doesn't make it ok

  • @ChatNoir443
    @ChatNoir443 Час назад +27

    I dont think Jim hears how this is sounding.
    Not good

  • @FREESPIRITZUEZ
    @FREESPIRITZUEZ Час назад +30

    Crazy how Jim defends Pat patterson when there is a shoot interview from Roddy pieper talking about this situation and it was clearly not okay…you can see between the lines..most people can, come on now 🤦‍♂️

    • @Mark-eg2yd
      @Mark-eg2yd Час назад

      Jim wishes it was him instead. He's definitely into some fruity stuff

    • @andrebdd5818
      @andrebdd5818 30 минут назад +4

      Marty jannetty has a similar story and Jim powers and brick house brown have both said they were alone in a room with Pat and he promised them bigger roles in the company while he started unzipping his pants if they played along.

    • @vanhagar3000
      @vanhagar3000 8 минут назад

      @@FREESPIRITZUEZ not trying to defend Pat here, but didn't Roddy walk that back before he died. Or at least I remember him specifically saying it wasn't about what everyone thought it was.
      I just want to clarify in case the video I watched was Roddy's response to something else.

  • @Costas22
    @Costas22 3 часа назад +64

    His lawyers for the Janel Grant case must have torn their hair out when he said the Rita Chatterton stuff didn't matter anyway because the statute had passed.

    • @rima7286
      @rima7286 2 часа назад +13

      and im so happy they included that, thats VINCE. he’s going down and i cant wait.

    • @shadycnetwork
      @shadycnetwork 2 часа назад +7

      ​@@rima7286nope after they produced The Love letter I thought wow Vince is actually innocent. Let me guess you're going to say Vince is a mind reader and forced her because he knew he would need a love letter LOL. She was not a child she's a 40 year old woman who knows how to say no and walk away from things. Y'all are letting your hatred for Vince McMahon blind you. It's ironic so many fans of a product hate the guy who made the product what it is.

    • @rima7286
      @rima7286 Час назад +5

      @@shadycnetwork he made his daughter resigned and sold the company, does that not go against everything you know about him? if im blinded by hate youre blinded by worship.

    • @marilynsgirl01
      @marilynsgirl01 Час назад +3

      One thing I noticed about Vince while watching this is this way he has of blurting things out. He just says these kind of vile things and then sits there staring. For some reason it made me wonder if he’s furious that he finally got old. He wasn’t able to force old age into submission.

    • @8thaccount535
      @8thaccount535 Час назад +1

      ​@@rima7286Nah, it's pretty clear Grant was dtf.

  • @AnnoyedRocket-ep6dn
    @AnnoyedRocket-ep6dn 3 часа назад +143

    Cornette review of the doc is more entertaining than Netflix doc, Netflix should just add Jim's follow up review of their doc.

    • @LobsterCucumber
      @LobsterCucumber 3 часа назад +4

      Seriously, you want ratings?, hire Jim and Brian

    • @malikevans2615
      @malikevans2615 3 часа назад +3

      ​@LobsterCucumber jim*

    • @jlinn12
      @jlinn12 2 часа назад +4

      So true the doc was mostly boring

    • @K-dawg26
      @K-dawg26 2 часа назад

      ​@@jlinn12So not. You guys are dipshits.

    • @NickTaylorRickPowers
      @NickTaylorRickPowers 2 часа назад +3

      Started watching it and bailed it is for people who don't or didn't watch wrestling
      I ain't re-watching an edited version of what I've seen already with Vince's version of events presented
      They say the winner of war gets to write history but in Vince's case the criminal investigation and lawsuits may be writing his

  • @PontFlair
    @PontFlair Час назад +20

    People don't like what's being said about Pat Patterson and using the excuse "its bc he was gay..". Sexual Harassment is about power, gay or straight, he had power.

    • @skristianf
      @skristianf Час назад

      He just activated his power by repeatedly pulling his power from some young guy's crevasse.

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair 34 минуты назад

      ​@@skristianfgood one 👍🏽

  • @jdogg0316
    @jdogg0316 2 часа назад +14

    It’s hilarious how normal Jim thinks the locker room behavior was back then but these are the same guys that celebrated taking a dump in people’s bags with a soft serve pinch on top!

  • @AHeroAlmost
    @AHeroAlmost Час назад +18

    Jim is blinded by the “old ways” of wrestling sometimes ..
    I love the podcast but you can’t defend Pat Patterson even it was for “giggles” which I highly doubt it was ..

    • @vanhagar3000
      @vanhagar3000 52 минуты назад +7

      This isn't even about the "old ways" of wrestling. This is just about a weird toxic culture, that still exist in some corners.
      Jim when talking about wrestling and just wrestling, is typically spot on. Hell, when he talks about booking most of what he says applies to basic storytelling beyond wrestling. But as soon as you get him out of that wrestling bubble, man, he can be beyond clueless and even gross.

    • @thebigmanufacturer
      @thebigmanufacturer 49 минут назад +2

      "We would have been looked upon in today's society as some of the worst human beings walking the face of the Earth. I mean, we abused the hell out of women. All of us did. You know, they were like a toy for us,"- Tony Atlas. Why are y’all getting up on a soapbox on Tony Atlas’ behalf?

    • @vanyadolly
      @vanyadolly 18 минут назад

      @@thebigmanufacturer It's not one of the other. Both are bad.

  • @TheDarkEagle56
    @TheDarkEagle56 3 часа назад +39

    Finished the whole Vince documentary. Nothing groundbreaking, it's already stuff most of us knew. It's cool to watch as a wrestling fan but it's just another history of the business piece.

    • @totallybored5526
      @totallybored5526 2 часа назад +6

      Remember that there’s a much bigger audience than the small audience of wrestling obsessives

    • @shindean
      @shindean 2 часа назад

      I do agree that for us older fans we've heard all this stuff to death, but I will at least give them the credibility of using the Netflix twist to speak to new audiences

    • @MatsThyWit
      @MatsThyWit 2 часа назад

      I was really disappointed in it. It was basically a brief history of WWE with a Dark Side of The Ring filter put on it, but only just barely, and barely any of it is actually about Vince.

    • @JDPOWERNO
      @JDPOWERNO 2 часа назад +1

      They should have went deeper into his childhood..

    • @Mike-ze1by
      @Mike-ze1by 2 часа назад

      Not necessarily for us wrestling fans. Its to introduce a new audience to the depraved Mr McMahon

  • @johnh5424
    @johnh5424 2 часа назад +9

    It's crazy to me that the people complain about young people being gay now, were actually even gayer😂

  • @iamdb1990
    @iamdb1990 2 часа назад +33

    Jim defending Pat Patterson doing backstage what Kenny Omega does in the ring... interesting....

    • @presidentskroob
      @presidentskroob Час назад +5

      I thought the same thing. That was a bizarre defense by Jim

    • @xlixity
      @xlixity Час назад

      It's not that interesting. Patterson doing it backstage away from the audience and Kenny doing it on air for all to see are entirely different things.

    • @ltothemagain
      @ltothemagain 58 минут назад +3

      The Patterson thing is what Cornette thinks is a rib between the boys backstage. Omega shoved his hand up asses on camera as part of the art form.

    • @mma9869
      @mma9869 56 минут назад +1

      That was the first thing that came to my mind

    • @emanuelperez3595
      @emanuelperez3595 35 минут назад +1

      Remember what vince said.
      Different times, different values, different beliefs, different traditions etc.
      You can apply modern values etc into those times.
      Its the past is now history. We are supposed to learn from it and not let it repeat in our present and the future.
      🙄 You lack a lot of sports and wrestling history. Back then a lot of weird and nasty shit were seen as normal. And thats it.

  • @rentoptional1524
    @rentoptional1524 Час назад +7

    I will never understand that locker room sexual stuff. I disagree 100% with Jim and agree with Brian. I'm a huge Corny fan too, but he's dead wrong here.
    I was a high school track athlete and I was recruited to the football team my freshman year. I had heard stories about that kind of stuff in the locker rooms and away at football camp so I always refused to play football.
    Granted I'm now in my forties in a much healthier probably for not playing high school football, that kind of stuff is so wrong and not necessary and weird.

  • @brucedrucker178
    @brucedrucker178 Час назад +8

    1000000% agree with Brian! None of that shit was ok or normal!

  • @mikejackson1003
    @mikejackson1003 2 часа назад +78

    Jesus Jim, the defence of Patterson is WAY off

    • @LightninPanda69
      @LightninPanda69 2 часа назад +3

      I think it's reasonable to say there is a difference between a gay man nonconsensually touching a straight man in the shower, and a gay man participating in systematic abuse of underage boys. This isn't to defend Patterson regarding anything that he might've done to Tony Atlas, but simply to say there's a difference between rape and pedophilia, and that should be highlighted to keep these real and fake scandals from intermingling more than they already have. Did Jim do that well, or with the appropriate nuance at all? No, and frankly, that disappoints me but doesn't surprise me. But I think it's important that we as the audience keep that in mind. We can defend Pat from ring boy allegations without defending him from whatever Tony was talking about.

    • @shadycnetwork
      @shadycnetwork 2 часа назад +5

      Mike what do you mean way off? I know this is a shock to you so hold on to your britches. You didn't know Patterson personally. You have no right to say what is or isn't way off. That's my motto if you don't know someone personally just keep your mouth closed.

    • @rima7286
      @rima7286 Час назад +5

      @@shadycnetwork why? fuck patterson.

    • @sublime90
      @sublime90 Час назад +12

      defending sexual assault as a "joke"

    • @JohnSmith-ek8rj
      @JohnSmith-ek8rj Час назад +10

      He'll defend anyone he considers a friend no matter how guilty they are...unless it's about politics.

  • @laurenceshelly6932
    @laurenceshelly6932 Час назад +7

    Coronet forgot about the word horse play for some reason. Also the only reason why these guys became wrestlers is because they are f****** weird and there's no other place that would probably hire them ever

  • @freddycougar7156
    @freddycougar7156 2 часа назад +88

    The defense of Pat Patterson is weird.

    • @Biozene
      @Biozene 2 часа назад

      Yeah, he's gone off the fucking rails. I know he took some bumps. Maybe CTE brain.

    • @TheGreat_Kramer1
      @TheGreat_Kramer1 2 часа назад +3

      It was a weird time. Gay panic was still a legal defense for killing someone.

    • @rikflare7970
      @rikflare7970 2 часа назад +1

      I think they defend him so bad cause if they didn’t their might be more lawsuits involving sexual assault from
      The men now.

    • @rikflare7970
      @rikflare7970 2 часа назад +11

      @@TheGreat_Kramer1 is it gay panic when pat was hitting on wrestlers or offering advancement if they do a favor for him? I’ve heard about this from OG wrestlers and looking back there was a lot of covering up imo.

    • @tysontomko
      @tysontomko 2 часа назад

      Ring boys ​@@rikflare7970

  • @DovahFett
    @DovahFett Час назад +54

    I think the Pat Patterson and Tony Atlas discussion is a good example of how Jim is often one of the most liberal-minded people in any room until you start pointing a critical light at the wrestling business. Then he's suddenly a conservative and his defenses turn into variations of "well that's the way it was always done" and "no one seemed to complain about it", which aren't justifications for behavior that took place less than 100 years ago. We're not dealing with Classical Greece here. The moral standards against sexually assaulting people were well emplaced by the 20th century, if not yet well enforced. Good on Brian for not backing down. The best that can be said about that sort of behavior is that it was childish, and Jim has little grounds to criticize the infantile crap modern wrestlers do while he continues to defend those kinds of practices.

    • @Raj80191
      @Raj80191 Час назад +5

      Jim defends the backstage carny nonsense every chance he gets whether it's the wrestler's court or Patterson fondling wrestlers in the shower.

    • @MetalHead4Life94
      @MetalHead4Life94 Час назад +6

      He's more mad that wrestlers are playing video games then sexually assaulting coworkers for shits and giggles

    • @vanyadolly
      @vanyadolly Час назад +7

      Yep. I think he had to develop some kind of selective thinking to live in that business. It's not as if abuse wasn't rampant in wrestling.

    • @xlixity
      @xlixity Час назад

      Why are you implying that conservatives are the ones who condone groping and sexual misconduct?
      It's conservatives who go beyond the law and unalive their wife/daughter/sister's SAers with a firearm while Liberals go and make defense pleas for the widdle innocent assaulter.
      That said, It's hard to judge social norms from half a decade+ ago, specially through modern lenses. I guarantee you that 1/2 the things you say and do will be looked on negatively by people a century from now.

    • @manofmanyvideos
      @manofmanyvideos Час назад

      💯. Jim has said, many times, that wrestling was made up of people who wouldn't fit in elsewhere, and this is one of those things that wouldn't fit in anywhere else (unlike a thumb in the ass, maybe). It would have been so easy to have said, "Yeah, it was a different time, but you're right, Brian - that time has passed and people SHOULDN'T be grabbing others' dicks without consent like that."

  • @Tool30301
    @Tool30301 Час назад +7

    Hearing Jim's defense of the locker room "joking and messing around" makes me glad I was never in sports

  • @panic26
    @panic26 2 часа назад +29

    I’m glad Brian didn’t defend that weirdo behavior Jim was talking about being “normal”

    • @ryanjacobson2508
      @ryanjacobson2508 12 минут назад

      It's weird to most of us born after 1970.

  • @TheDeviousDrDoom
    @TheDeviousDrDoom 2 часа назад +8

    26:16 26:33 WE GOTCHA CORNY!

  • @Rastamanvolnutt
    @Rastamanvolnutt 2 часа назад +11

    Jim should've sat this one out😂😂😂 27:00

  • @dariusfrink5360
    @dariusfrink5360 Час назад +6

    Brian Last a real life wrestling historian he remembers everything.

  • @bobbycoffee2979
    @bobbycoffee2979 Час назад +26

    defending sexual assault is such a wild take, Jim.

  • @marknadratowski5728
    @marknadratowski5728 2 часа назад +6

    The Steroid Trial, AKA Stephanie McMahon's 9/11.

  • @alpollard4784
    @alpollard4784 Час назад +5

    Well Brian now you know to watch for youthful play from Jim if you bend over near him. Sheesh that's just nuts.

  • @Michele_78
    @Michele_78 2 часа назад +5

    I've been more excited to hear Jim's reviews of the documentary then I was to watch the actual documentary. 😂

  • @borderjumper2202
    @borderjumper2202 2 часа назад +8

    wtf jim

  • @somkindamonster89
    @somkindamonster89 3 часа назад +15

    After the purple lips comment from Brian last episode, I think this will be Travis’ Vince McMahon artwork going forward 🤣🤣 though I melting face Vince is funnier hahaha

    • @sentinelkevin7375
      @sentinelkevin7375 3 часа назад +1

      I noticed those purple lips while watching the doc, I was just weirded out whenever he appears. 😂

  • @TheTourage
    @TheTourage Час назад +5

    Jim defended Pat harder than Bruce did Vince in the doc. lol

  • @jupitervolcano
    @jupitervolcano 2 часа назад +4

    Wow these came out quicker than expected, well done Last. I'm not watching the documentary because "Netflix produced" is enough for me to skip it, so thanks Jim for reviewing the jist of it!

  • @forty_two42
    @forty_two42 Час назад +4

    It's nice to hear it pointed out that Hogan ripped off his character from several different wrestlers. Everyone always just cites Billy Graham. But Billy Graham was Leauges more charismatic than Hogan. If Superstar was his inspiration, he did a shit job at emulating him.

  • @DonVerbal
    @DonVerbal Час назад +15

    I’m with Brian…that “grabbing and squeezing” is not normal behavior I don’t know how Jim grew up but that was never a thing where I’m from

    • @caseyw1286
      @caseyw1286 54 минуты назад +1

      Agreed! If what Jim is saying is correct, then that pretty much gives every child molester and rapist in history a pass. Nothing about touching someone’s private parts is normal.

    • @xlixity
      @xlixity 52 минуты назад

      @@DonVerbal it was pretty normal in high school and college lockers and shower rooms among the jocks or the bullies trying to bully nerds and geeks.
      Not an every day occurence, but common enough for it to be a "meh, whatever" from other kids and parents to say "well, kick his arse if he's bothering you that much!"
      Hell, in some countries like Mexico or SA, it's still a thing.

  • @Ai14106
    @Ai14106 Час назад +23

    I see Pat Patterson getting the Grizzly Smith defense from Jim. So playing video games bad but harassing others is fine

    • @PontFlair
      @PontFlair Час назад +5

      I don't remember him defending Grizzly Smith.

    • @Loe_Jist
      @Loe_Jist 6 минут назад

      Go back to that episode and listen. He never defended Grizzly Smith.

  • @alpollard4784
    @alpollard4784 Час назад +5

    Imagine the exact same thing being attributed to Trump that he is attempting his bizarre defense of Pat.

    • @Mark-eg2yd
      @Mark-eg2yd 24 минуты назад

      That's one thing he never criticises Trump for (at least I haven't heard it).
      He regularly defends people in situations like this. I somewhat agree with him but it depends on the circumstances.
      Anyway there must be a reason he strongly defends stuff like this though.. he's definitely had a fruity past

  • @KHLB516
    @KHLB516 2 часа назад +5

    There’s NO WAY only 78k ppl were there at WM3
    A lot closer to 93k than 78k

    • @watchitlive8460
      @watchitlive8460 2 часа назад +2

      I've never understood why people get into such an argument about crowd sizes for WWE, AEW etc.
      That more than 20,000 people are willing to turn up - paid or free - to a post kayfabe wrestling show is quite remarkable really.

  • @CaerEsthar
    @CaerEsthar Час назад +14

    Bad take on Pat Patterson from Jim. Going around yanking on other dude's hogs is not "silly locker room behavior." It's pretty damn weird.

    • @philburt781
      @philburt781 Час назад +2

      They do worse in junior hockey locker rooms. Chill out.

    • @randi_godspeed2063
      @randi_godspeed2063 Час назад

      Now yes but back then standard garbage. Sadly we still fight this behavior. But having heard stories from many wrestlers for decades, standard ribbing.

    • @MetalHead4Life94
      @MetalHead4Life94 Час назад +4

      ​@@philburt781sounds like a massive issue that should be addressed and not looked past/ laughed of and you implying it's no big deal says all we need to know

    • @ThePunk01
      @ThePunk01 Час назад +1

      ​@@MetalHead4Life94It is, but it was also very common. It wasn't just Pat doing that. He is only getting called out because he was gay

    • @MetalHead4Life94
      @MetalHead4Life94 Час назад +1

      @@ThePunk01 Just because something was more accepted doesn't mean it still wasn't wrong and sexual assault even at the time no matter your sexual orientation. Plus he's the second highest position in the company doing that to employees it's not okay now and it wasn't then either no matter how much people try to undermine it and laugh it off

  • @sonnybelanger6068
    @sonnybelanger6068 2 часа назад +27

    Jim defended many sexual miss conduct over the years... many times undermining wrestlers with underage rats also... not sure I like that about him.

    • @dave09gla
      @dave09gla 2 часа назад +5

      There weren't a lot of good people in this business, that's for sure.

    • @tysontomko
      @tysontomko 2 часа назад

      You just know Jim got his share of that underage rats as well, knowingly or not

    • @watchitlive8460
      @watchitlive8460 Час назад +3

      The entertainment industry was and probably still is riddled with exploitative behaviour.
      Many legends of screen and sounds will tell you you they chased fame and fortune to avoid a boring 9-5 job, to have wild fun and to get laid..a lot.
      How many music lyrics are about having fun, partying and sex?
      Casting couches and underage groupies. If they started today then there's a chance members of Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Eagles, Led Zeppelin etc would be looking at long stretches in jail. It will stretch a lot further too.
      Wrestling, with its roots in carny and outside of the mainstream corporate structure, is even seedier.

    • @marilynsgirl01
      @marilynsgirl01 Час назад

      @@watchitlive8460Actually, while watching this documentary, that’s what came to my mind. What a difficult industry to pursue. It seems to have twisted the minds of many of the people who worked in it. What’s normal to them is very different from what’s normal to many other people.

    • @JohnSmith-ek8rj
      @JohnSmith-ek8rj Час назад

      You aren't sure?

  • @djpipes475
    @djpipes475 Час назад +3

    FYI we can't hear the background noise from the gardeners. It's more of a distraction for you than us the loyal cult of Cornet

  • @joestarrequiem4513
    @joestarrequiem4513 Час назад +11

    I've always kinda defended Jim, but I'm sorry I would have not released this audio. The defense of Pat and saying how "locker room behavior" is okay, is not. That's pretty gross. If I'm Brian I am re-recording....That's just not a good look. Really disappointed by this.

    • @SteelSunday
      @SteelSunday 42 минуты назад +2

      Naw I rather hear Jim's honest take and opinion than one editted for mass appeal. Even tho I don't agree with his take.

    • @Mark-eg2yd
      @Mark-eg2yd 22 минуты назад

      Why would you not prefer know what he really thinks? It's not the first time he has said stuff like this either..

  • @MasonRoyce
    @MasonRoyce 2 часа назад +3

    I just watched the last episode about the scandals. The way they set up Prichard was pretty glorious but it seemed pretty clear it started as a semi puff piece with not a lot of new information and useless talking heads

  • @CARTOONIVERSE2.0
    @CARTOONIVERSE2.0 43 минуты назад +3

    Cornette ..you sounded real bad defending sexual assault.
    🤨

  • @thelastdrengr5443
    @thelastdrengr5443 Час назад +3

    I loved no holds barred as a guilty pleasure cause I was fucking 6 when it came out

  • @alextheluchador
    @alextheluchador Час назад +3

    27:00 No Jim, that's fucking weird. Stop being weird.

  • @brycec6841
    @brycec6841 Час назад +4

    i think tony atlas would have been the only talking head to pass a lie detector test while being interviewed for the doc

  • @LadyDragonsblood
    @LadyDragonsblood 2 часа назад +22

    I am 62... and I get what Jim is saying.... "Boys will be boys" in the locker room... there is a difference between doing it as a rib in a locker room....and FORCING someone to make them keep their job.

    • @HotRodM4
      @HotRodM4 Час назад +9

      Finally a comment with some common sense. It’s old school locker room hazing. Not everything is malicious like today’s victim mentality society.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood Час назад +2

      @@HotRodM4 Exactly. I have been a fan since I was 5 years old...and I TOTALLY understand the old school ways of the boys in the locker room. Could you do it now... no way... but then... like I said, it was "Boys will be boys"

    • @JohnSmith-ek8rj
      @JohnSmith-ek8rj Час назад +1

      Pathetic.

    • @LadyDragonsblood
      @LadyDragonsblood Час назад

      @@JohnSmith-ek8rj No, you just don't get it. It is blatantly obvious it is generational. Even as a woman, I understood what "boys will be boys" meant back then. They were not going out and forcing it on others...they were just goofing on each other in the locker room....and what better way to rib a man... than with his manhood.

    • @thebigmanufacturer
      @thebigmanufacturer 53 минуты назад

      Remember when Tony said “We would have been looked upon in today's society as some of the worst human beings walking the face of the Earth. I mean, we abused the hell out of women. All of us did. You know, they were like a toy for us”. You reap what you sow.

  • @zackc3767
    @zackc3767 Час назад +2

    They mentioned all the foreign villains but not the stereotypes of American minorities. The DX blackface made it in but not Vince saying the N word in the mid 2000s.

  • @JPS47
    @JPS47 2 часа назад +2

    The fact that the Poniac Silverdome is now a distribution center for Amazon is the saddest thing ever. There's no signs that Mania 3 happened there or one of the greatest running backs in NFL history played in it. There's no plague at the spot Hogan bodyslams Andre.

  • @shadycnetwork
    @shadycnetwork 2 часа назад +2

    They were speaking about the schedule and the no union like it was a WWE problem. I looked it up around that time the NWA had a similar schedule and no union.

  • @HerbJr316
    @HerbJr316 2 часа назад +2

    For those of y’all saying the show was a waste of time… most of Wrestling fans are casuals. This show is capitalizing on the buzz from current events involving Mr. McMahon but you’d be surprised how many fans don’t know the history behind the industry or WWF/WWE. My Wife has been watching WWE for the last 9 years with me and didn’t know half of what was on the documentary. It’s good for what it’s worth.

  • @Randomness1000
    @Randomness1000 Час назад +8

    It's really bad that JC is defending Pat as hard as he is here, with the line that his behaviour was normal in the locker room. He needs to seriously go watch Roddy Piper's final interview with Sean Oliver, where he almost breaks down trying to talk about Pat and what he did.

    • @MichaelCDu
      @MichaelCDu 46 минут назад

      My thoughts also went immediately to Piper’s interview as well

  • @bcal8118
    @bcal8118 2 часа назад +2

    Here come the marks complaining about being bored because they already spent countless hours marking out over this stuff for years

  • @leninfranco9328
    @leninfranco9328 2 часа назад +8

    I finished it last night and Bruce Prichard said that he doesn't believe the crap Vince has done , because he gave his wife the best medical care to save her from Cancer smfh.

    • @Mark-eg2yd
      @Mark-eg2yd Час назад

      I don't think that he doesn't believe it. He doesn't care.

  • @LobsterCucumber
    @LobsterCucumber 3 часа назад +9

    I absolutely love this drop episode by episode. I'm not even going to bother with the documentary, would much rather listen to Jim and Brian recap and give their own professional insights.

  • @sjdrifter72
    @sjdrifter72 3 часа назад +2

    Much hype for stuff most of us already knew. Have not watched it nor plan to watch it.

  • @poppy87
    @poppy87 2 часа назад +18

    I was not expecting Jim Cornette to basically come out as bisexual during this review but here we are.

    • @kingslayer2999
      @kingslayer2999 2 часа назад +10

      Well he does like Butch women like Rhea Ripley and Charlotte Flair Soooo.....

    • @scotthuizenga9889
      @scotthuizenga9889 2 часа назад

      ​@@kingslayer2999butch? Charlotte is plastic as hell, nothing butch on either.

    • @SAM-ru4vx
      @SAM-ru4vx Час назад +2

      Not everyone has to be perfect like Miss Elizabeth.

    • @ThePunk01
      @ThePunk01 Час назад

      ​@@kingslayer2999Rhea is gorgeous, tf you talking about? Flair on the other hand.... I never heard Jim say he finds her attractive. He said she looks like her dad

    • @Mark-eg2yd
      @Mark-eg2yd Час назад

      ​​@@ThePunk01Rhea Ripley is not gorgeous at all. With or without makeup she's a bit strange looking and certainly not for an Australian..

  • @TachyonJon
    @TachyonJon 2 часа назад +23

    Can I just say I find Jim amusing and I kinda like Brian.
    But personally i would have edited out the bit where Jim tries to justify sexual assault...
    It didn't make what anyone else did around that time look better, quite the opposite 🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @tysontomko
      @tysontomko Час назад +3

      Feel free to listen to another podcast for some soft takes, we'll be here in Jim's hot tub haha

    • @TachyonJon
      @TachyonJon Час назад

      @@tysontomko whatever makes you hard bud

    • @house1406
      @house1406 Час назад +1

      he laughed at the janel stuff at first so no surprise

    • @vanhagar3000
      @vanhagar3000 48 минут назад

      ​@@house1406I will give them, that they were reading about it before the full details came out, and given their release schedule, it came out after all the details did.
      That being said, they definitely should have sucked it up, admitted they wasted 45 minutes and scrapped it.

  • @heyokah
    @heyokah 3 часа назад +6

    One positive thing about Mr. McMahon Jr., he didn't require thousands of bottles of baby oil for his degeneracy. In this regard he was definitely old stool...erm school.

  • @TooMuchGirth
    @TooMuchGirth 2 часа назад +6

    Tony Atlas reminds me of the no filter uncle who doesn't give a damn. He's been hilarious😂

  • @LightninPanda69
    @LightninPanda69 Час назад +2

    Regarding Pat and Tony, it's pretty clear that wrestlers backstage have always done some weird shit to each other. Owen Hart would literally use the daterape drug on his friends to play pranks on them, and Jim lists hundreds of examples across this channel of strange, cruel things that wrestlers would do to each other for fun. We shouldn't defend that behavior, but I'm not going to hold Pat any more accountable than the other wrestlers we all know did shit like this, simply because he was gay. The wrestling locker rooms of the 80's into the 2000's were toxic, abusive places that were probably just as mentally damaging to the wrestlers that thrived in them as they were to the wrestlers that were subjected to them. This behavior has largely changed, by all accounts, and I think we can acknowledge that and move on. The vast majority of the participants are sadly already dead or will be soon, and it is almost impossible to find anyone with clean hands at this point. This is an incredibly nuanced topic that we should take seriously as modern fans, and we can't let the discourse be dominated us by being surprised when 60-80 year old men don't have 100% correct takes all the time.

    • @Random_ideit
      @Random_ideit Час назад

      Sodomy is not horsing around or locker room shit lmfao

  • @richardbursey6308
    @richardbursey6308 2 часа назад +3

    Episode 3 is gonna piss Jim off

    • @Hellwolf36
      @Hellwolf36 Час назад

      The final one with Trump will

  • @scottmcginn2169
    @scottmcginn2169 2 часа назад +2

    I kinda get what Jim was saying about the whole Pat the Will Grabber. As outsider in 2024 are we shocked by it, absoluteloy. Having read a lot of the stuff these guys were doing behind the scenes in the 70s and 80s... does this rank as the most shocking? Definitely not acceptable behaviour, but how high does it rank amongst other unacceptable behaviour.

  • @joelpetten3401
    @joelpetten3401 15 минут назад +1

    I get what Jim is saying about the locker room stuff. I is sexual harassment, but it is extremely common in male sports teams, hockey, basketball, football or baseball. Even in the army people pull that stuff in the shower after PT. I’ve seen 100’s of instances of it.

  • @maybenextyearmb9660
    @maybenextyearmb9660 14 минут назад +1

    Jim always seems to defend or rationalize the behavior of people he likes. Pat Patterson, Ric Flair, he downplayed the Tessa Blanchard stuff because he liked Tully. So typical of him.

  • @SairajRKamath
    @SairajRKamath 30 минут назад +1

    Jim defending Pat Patterson in this video ended up being more controversial than this entire documentary 😂😂😂

  • @vanhagar3000
    @vanhagar3000 28 минут назад +1

    Jim is typically spot on when talking about wrestling. But you get Jim out of that bubble, he can be a massive putz. Weird take that to be nostalgic for a time when you could sexually assault on coworkers.

  • @Master_Cannoli
    @Master_Cannoli 23 минуты назад +1

    I'm glad Brian Last is here to point out to Jim Cornette that the things he was accustomed to in the locker room growing up was weird as fuck and never to be considered normal

  • @stingrey1571
    @stingrey1571 54 минуты назад +1

    Phil mushnick maybe an a-hole. But he said something that stuck with me. He said “Vince is a bad guy. He just keeping getting away with it because it is fake wrestling. So no one cares.”

  • @timburr4453
    @timburr4453 Час назад +1

    The silverdome sat 80,000 without a single seat on the floor. 80k was the football capacity. And it looked like both the upper and lower tier and mezzanine was totally filled
    there is no way it was only 78,000 in the building for WM3. And there was a ton of people on the floor. Maybe "only" 78k was paid and 15,000 freebies? But there was 93k in the building
    if there was say, 70k in the stands and 8k on the floor you'd see large chunks of empties in the stands. That would mean TEN THOUSAND empty seats in the stands

  • @knarftahw
    @knarftahw 13 минут назад +1

    Lol if it wasn't obvious Jim's a democrat
    It becomes blatantly obvious around 20-25 mins in XD

  • @G-unit054
    @G-unit054 13 минут назад +1

    I almost blew snot in my eggs when Jim said Cheif Jay Strongbow might check your oil 😂😂😂

  • @shirogiko
    @shirogiko 16 минут назад +1

    Really disappointing, sexual harassment is a no no to any sane human being I’m done with JC

  • @undetectedsnake
    @undetectedsnake 2 часа назад +9

    The discourse around Jim’s comments regarding the Pat Patterson and Tony Atlas stuff is interesting. That being said Hazing new talent was common place when Jim was in the Business and not all the recently removed.
    Edge talks about JBL soaping his balls in the shower, and being advised “don’t sell it”. Where Jim goes wrong least in my eyes is that at no point do either of them clarify, at the time.
    We inherently try and apply modern standards to past behaviour. Jim comes across as down playing it opposed to following up with condemning it.

  • @masterairhart
    @masterairhart 2 часа назад +1

    Jim is from another time where this is considered horseplay so I understand him thinking people are just being over sensitive but at the same time just because it was considered ok back than doesn’t mean it was or ever will be ok and that’s what Jim is missing I know everyone is offended by everything nowadays but this is one of those things where it’s completely understandable to say this is wrong no matter the circumstances joking or if it’s not cool so Brian is right I understand Jim’s perspective he’s from another age but that’s the point of evolving is learning from mistakes what is acceptable and what isn’t.

  • @presidentskroob
    @presidentskroob Час назад +1

    Jim…jeez that’s some fucked up cognitive dissonance to try to justify that kind of “locker room behavior”. You actually have me agreeing with Brian’s take for once.

  • @ethanellis2896
    @ethanellis2896 Час назад +1

    He is weird and wacky ( watch LEGEND HOUSE for further confirmation ) but Tony Atlas wasnt byllshiting about the patternson comments especially when he has said the same thing happened on different interviews and shoots.. nevrr divert too something.
    He knows what went down

  • @rofbagging9749
    @rofbagging9749 Час назад +1

    I tried to check someone’s oil in a wrestling match once. He ended giggling and told me to go deeper. It didn’t workout like I had hoped and I lost the match.

  • @8thaccount535
    @8thaccount535 Час назад +1

    Hollywood Hogan was an amazing character at the time. It doesn’t hold up as well today, buti n the time it was unreal.

  • @TheCharlesChase
    @TheCharlesChase Час назад +1

    There are three certainties in life: Death, taxes, and Brian apologizing for background noises that no one else ever hears

  • @thepalatrpro
    @thepalatrpro 2 часа назад +8

    This entire docu series was a waste of 6 hours. Nothing that we didn’t already know. How many times can we hear about the Screwjob, The Attitude Era, Monday Night Wars?

    • @bcal8118
      @bcal8118 2 часа назад +1

      You hearing about it so many times could possibly mean you are a fucking mark who watches too much wrestling shit

    • @Zero_News_Tom
      @Zero_News_Tom 2 часа назад +1

      i felt totally the same.i thought (maybe)we would see or hear at least SOME new things. this is well trodden ground. disappointed honestly...but i'd be a liar if I said "surprised"

    • @ryanteacher8134
      @ryanteacher8134 Час назад +1

      I agree, I was disappointed with it. But actually, in reflection, I don't think it was made for us. We already know this stuff, like you said. This documentary seems to be made with the intention of letting the casuals know about this stuff.

    • @thepalatrpro
      @thepalatrpro Час назад +1

      @@Zero_News_Tom definitely lackluster.

  • @8thaccount535
    @8thaccount535 Час назад +1

    These guys pretend to not know what working is. You think Vince, Hogan, or whoever, aren't still going to be working? Of course they are.

  • @TheTopTurnchuckle
    @TheTopTurnchuckle 55 минут назад +1

    If only Jim would be as adamant about sexual assault as he is about bad creative.

  • @mjdf122
    @mjdf122 2 часа назад +1

    Vincent Kennedy McMahon for over 60 years the revolutionary force in sports entertainment 😂

  • @nicktarantino9782
    @nicktarantino9782 Час назад +1

    Why did the skip over wrestmania 4 and 5. Because Hogan wasn't as over as savage.

  • @Capydachi
    @Capydachi Час назад +1

    'Sneak Attack Sodomy' is a killer punk band name, lol

  • @jalabreeze
    @jalabreeze Час назад +1

    Ok I’m from Michigan…..don’t diss us Brian

  • @armanirza
    @armanirza Час назад +1

    This commentary should be on Netflix

  • @andymassingham
    @andymassingham Час назад +1

    Kudos for that swerve, Brian. Sheesh.

  • @JohnSmith2049-wp6en
    @JohnSmith2049-wp6en 47 минут назад +1

    What a horrible take from Jim.

  • @benespinosa6725
    @benespinosa6725 3 часа назад +22

    LMAO you guys are so fucking quick with these i thought you guys were going to do this in one video thank god that's not happening 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @JONNYSORENSEN_AU
      @JONNYSORENSEN_AU 3 часа назад +1

      they do if you listen to the podcast. its one show.

    • @chachopichardo1879
      @chachopichardo1879 3 часа назад

      wtf this dude lol

    • @benespinosa6725
      @benespinosa6725 2 часа назад

      ​@@chachopichardo1879lmao I know right 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @benespinosa6725
      @benespinosa6725 2 часа назад

      ​@@JONNYSORENSEN_AUare you sure lol.

    • @chachopichardo1879
      @chachopichardo1879 2 часа назад

      @@benespinosa6725 he does know lol funny then thanks god that nothing to do with it wtf lol

  • @andrebdd5818
    @andrebdd5818 32 минуты назад +1

    Brick house brown, Roddy Piper, Marty Jannetty, Jim powers, Tony atlas and numerous others have said pat was a sexual predator.

    • @ryanjacobson2508
      @ryanjacobson2508 8 минут назад

      And some people have tried to defend Pat by saying it was a joke on his part, yet several adult men say they felt intimidated by Pat's behavior.

  • @HellsMaster
    @HellsMaster 3 часа назад +1

    That musical number to start the show was the fucking worst! I was cracking up!

    • @vanyadolly
      @vanyadolly Час назад +1

      I was waiting for it. 😂 They showed it on RAW a couple of times, so I can't see Vince without my brain going "STAND BACK!"

  • @masterairhart
    @masterairhart 2 часа назад +4

    Jim is right about it being different times but wrong about saying there’s nothing wrong with acting like that

    • @tysontomko
      @tysontomko Час назад

      It's hard to understand nowadays if you're young

  • @abhishantshetty6962
    @abhishantshetty6962 Час назад +3

    Well if thats assault then anyone doing male circumcision should be thrown in jail thats mutilation

  • @Drew791
    @Drew791 Час назад +1

    I noticed some mistakes in the English captioning. Such as labeling some of the offscreen announcing as “Gorilla” instead of Howard Finkel, or writing “bop” instead of “pop” for the crowd cheering. And what was the point of writing “World Wrestling Entertainment” instead for every time when someone said “Federation”? Yeah it’s nitpicking, I know. But it was annoying nonetheless. Anyway, it was just a 6 hour surface overview of the history of WWE. We didn’t learn anything new, except maybe that HHH took outright responsibility for the Montreal Screwjob.

    • @TheLedonne3
      @TheLedonne3 Час назад +1

      In the episode where they showed Taker showing up to choke slam The Rock at WM , The cc reads "The Undertaker's bong hits" instead of "gong hits". Absolutely hilarious.

    • @Drew791
      @Drew791 Час назад +1

      @@TheLedonne3lol exactly, it was just such a low effort endeavor

  • @HypervoxelRBX
    @HypervoxelRBX Час назад +1

    Can't wait for Jim to talk about the extract of their episodes that they used in the final episodes

    • @squil613
      @squil613 Час назад

      What did they use?

    • @HypervoxelRBX
      @HypervoxelRBX Час назад

      @@squil613 they used two short audio clips of Jim talking about the vince allegations when it first happened and then one of Brian in the final episode

  • @kimymarie596
    @kimymarie596 3 часа назад +3

    I liked that woman too. Wouldn’t mind reading her book