Jim Cornette Reviews Dave Meltzer's Comments On His Star Ratings
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- From Episode 300 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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The fact that Moxley has had more 5 star matches in the past year than the WHOLE WWF/E promotion for 25yrs is crazy. His credibility has to be questioned.
It's the angle thing that blows my mind. How can you say Moxley has higher rating matches than Kurt Angle? Absolutely zero credibility.
The fact that Moxley has ANY 5 star matches is ridiculous
Not questioned, just disregard his ratings. Clearly Meltzer is a goof. He's an AEW stooge working the game to remain relevant in the business.
He's nuts and completely lost the plot.
@@Pogo113 It's clear what he give 6 stars to Omega/Osprey and don't give 5 starts to Okada/Bryan just to allow Omega have more 5+ matches then Okada
Daves excuse for HBK vs Undertaker for not being five stars was that it was "predictable". Unlike the predictable no selling, hand holding and synchronized dancing in every Young Bucks match he gave 5 stars to
I wonder did he bets on Taker winning at Mania 30, until Vince decided to change the results. Yes, the match are predictable but Vince mind and mood aren't
Thing is I don't think the Taker v Michaels match was that predictable especially to smart fans, if there was one person that had political sway to persuade Vince to have him end the streak and the ego to ask to do it, it was Shawn Michaels.
It's the best match ever. Dm is insane
Well, Uncle Dave obviously grades on a curve: an automatic +1 star for each Cucamonga Kid in the match.
That singular match is legit the moment I stopped giving a damn about his ratings and realized he was an out of touch idiot with a newsletter
I love how Chris Von Vilet said in the politest way possible that he's full of shit 🤣🤣
Lol yes he did
He should've confronted him more & actually said he's full of shit.. instead of doing it through innuendo
Chris Ven Vtiel should've slapped him
Black belt in bullshido 😂😂
@@andystegall7407who?
Not giving Shawn-Taker 5 stars because it was “my turn your turn” as he called it while giving the elite multiple 5 star matches for doing the same exact thing in a way more obvious fashion is the craziest thing he could’ve said
He just exposed his star rating is phony with that explanation
Because neither named a maneuver after him
If any match was the appropriate time to use "my turn, your turn" it was this match that was beautifully built up and presented as an epic showdown between two legends against a thematic backdrop of light and darkness/good and evil. Meltzer is a hack.
And none of their matches builds to the finish. They’re just a bunch of moves back and forth, and then it ends.
@@notgonnapay and their matches often end in an underwhelming way, in comparison to some of the crazy moves they do throughout the match, which ironically is something that Meltzer claims he doesn't like in this clip
Hearing Meltzer trip over himself while Cornette and Brian bust out laughing is the best
WWE have 18 matches that are rated 5 stars with their highest rating being 5.5 stars.
AEW (which has been around for 4 years) have 22 matches that are rated 5 stars with their highest rating being 6 stars.
That alone should tell you how biased Dave is.
Not just biased..but clueless and all his followers are the ones that need to drop d**d ..yet people that follow jim are the zombies and etc? What a joke these nerds are. And wonder why they'll never get Laid or have a life.
They're clueless and socially unaware about common sense things.
TNA has one in 21 years despite all the great talent that worked there. You can hate the storylines and bookers but the in ring product in impact should’ve produced more then one 5 star match
@@TheWill1225 exactly but Dave raves about the old tna talent now that they're in aew and they're putting on some of the worst matches ever...the guy is a joke..can we just ignore this pos.
Neither Austin vs Rock match at Mania is rated 5 stars, that's absolute insanity. The Rock has no 5 star matches. Eddiie Guererro has no 5 star matches as a solo (he has one when he was tagging with Art Barr). Angle and Lesnar have no 5 star matches. Benoit has none. Aj Styles has one. Cena only has one. Ridiculous.
@@mlaws11291Cena and styles at least one of those should’ve been 5 stars I believe Cena Bryan Summerslam was 5 stars triple h vs undertaker mania 17 is honestly 5 stars it’s fantastic like wtf
“If Undertaker vs HBK involved a blowup doll, it would’ve been a 7 star classic.” - Meltzer
Plus 2 if it's in the tokyo dome
IMAGINE? 🤦🏾♂️
It gets ten stars when you get a kid involved (looking at you Omega)
"Its all about surprising, shocking, and not being predictable."
Mox bleeds every match. 20 stars out of 5.
Brock vs Taker at Wrestlemania 30 should be 50 stars for unpredictability 😂
Dave’s the only grown man that gives me a headache after listening to him for 15 seconds.
He speaks, but says nothing.
His constant anddd, ermmm.. urghhh.. stuttering is just unbearable. How is he so highly rated as a wrestling great critic? He can't think of any logical answers to back up his ratings so just drags out the answers for so long
He has the cadence and verbal skills of a confused teenage girl
I was listening to the Chris Van podcast with him and I got to a point where I said “meh screw this” and turned it off.
I couldn't listen to the cvv interview without getting a headache from dave
Dave Meltzer is a bonafide master of answering questions while saying absolutely nothing at the same time😂😂
"kurt angle has never put on an elite level wrestling match"
Dave is insane. If it was possible for a human being to literally be wrestling, it would be Kurt Angle. His work is flawless and nobody is going to fuck with him behind the scenes.
I'm sure Kurt has had elite matches. It's Kurt. I highly doubt he ever had an Elite level match.
@@deejayguppy6087what's elite level?
@@JohnKobaRuddyAsk Randy Orton lol.
@@JohnKobaRuddy By elite level, I mean really good matches. By Elite, ie Matty Nicky Kenny, level, it's the same thing over and over again, like the Tribal Chief said.
Angle should consider that a compliment
Dave Meltzer blocked me on twitter after I called him out for spreading falsehoods about CM Punk. Meltzer can’t handle getting called out and he’s a lunatic.
Dave is the embodiment of that "someone is wrong on the internet" comic from xkcd. He'll spend hours searching out people to argue with, ones that don't even mention or tweet at him.
Idk man Dave really changed things up a bit when he fell in love with Nick and Matt
He blocked Dutch Mantell when he was given facts on why Memphis wasn't a joke territory
I would block you too, if I were a "celebrity". He probably gets 100s of such messages every day and his notifications are probably full of stuff like that. The simple thing to do is to block those people.
You are a random nobody on the internet who has direct access to famous people via twitter etc, its unhealthy that you actually directly tweet at celebrities.
I've never been blocked by anyone like Meltzer, because I'm not childish enough to actually @ them in my tweets...
@@z2ei Yeah but in this case, Dave blocked him after he "called him out" which means he probably @'d him. If you @ a celebrity in your tweets, they are going to block you.
I think we all deserve 7 stars for all the mental gymnastics we must do to understand Uncle Dave.
6 because You're not in the Tokyo Dome 😂.
@@MetalJT24😂😂😂😂😂
first the near 50 minute Hardy vid now this today? cant think of a better way to kick off a weekend morning thank you Jim and Brian!
Agreed whole heartedly
I can... side position thrusts
Can do those while having Corny in one earbud
I like how Dave says, "I can go back and think, maybe that match was not 5 stars more like 4 and three quarters." Then Chris asks him about Hogan vs. Rock at Wrestlemania 18 getting 3 stars and asks "can we give it 4? " Dave quickly states, "I can't go back in the past, it is all about the future." lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dave is the definition of someone who loves to hear themselves talk... ALSO, Kurt Angle has probably wrestled more 5 star matches than anyone across multiple promotions ., He was a monster in TNA.
He downplays the compliments and position he's in but strokes his ego at the same time when he speaks, truly disgusting
I really liked his match with Desmond Wolf at Turning Point 2009.
@calamaty9963 the Samaoa Joe TNA matches were the archetypal example of what AEW sold us on with the "sports based" product to start. Hasnt been as good of a shoot match since.,
Would add Angle vs. Bret to dream matches list with Bret vs. Hogan, Warrior vs. Goldberg, Goldberg vs. Austin
No, Misawa and Okada have way more 5 star matches, and they drew way bigger crowds than Angle did in TNA.
Every time I hear Meltzer talk, I ask myself if he ever had some kind of personal interaction with any human being before.
And by the way CVV is a great interviewer, I really admire his work.
Only Olle Anderson? Which went well😆
Uhm yeah see uhm yeah uhm uhm well you see uhm -Uncle Dave. I don’t think he’s ever had a coherent conversation
This is just my opinion, but I I am pretty sure that Dave is on the autism spectrum
@@nowtheworld138 Don't forget all the "Well you know"s
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 lmao brother I read it in Jerry Jarrett’s voice.. in my brain that belongs to Jerry “huh” Jarrett 😂
The fact that kurt Angle never got a 5 star match but Moxley has multiple means the rating system is bullshit.
I have never heard someone contradict themselves so much in one hour. He's basically saying that his 4 star ratings are better than his 5 stars 😂
A 5 star match today = 4 stars twenty years ago. The scale changed after Okada/Omega.
Dave would give you nickel and fight you until the very end to convince you that that coin is equal to a dime
He’s basically admitting that a 5 star match in this era was a 4 star match in the past then realizing that he just buried the present guys he tries to repair that by contradicting himself and then claiming that everything today is actually so much better because the conditions are more favorable to producing 5 star matches. He’s trying to square the circle without burying the past or present but it’s just not working.
So 4 doesn’t mean 5 today. Dave even admits it.
@@DreamDimensions-hv4lgthe mental gymnastics you go through in these comments to defend Dave Meltzer and his ignorance is hilarious. Are you one of Dave's burner accounts?
Oh my days. This was a joy to listen to. Van Vliet one of the kindest fellas doing wrestling podcasts just inadvertently curb stomped Dave Meltzer.
@@SummerShark69 And won't even consider that he might be wrong.
@@SummerShark69 Hell I don't think he EVER re-evaluates any matches in general, it's like he thinks whatever rating he puts on it should be the final one.
Dave was very non-plussed at points. Saying one thing, then quickly reversing himself. Savage, Angle, Van Dam, total of 5-star matches... Zero.
@@monabear7287 Dean malenko had a 5 star match in ECW. I'm sure Eddie had great matches in WCW. many others too. But Dave has some kind of mental issue where bright lights and flashes get him off. He is a full grown simpleton.
Every b.s. answer Dave had, Van Vliet had a comeback and made Meltzer look like an absolute fool
I laughed so much when Uncle Dave said that Undertaker vs Michaels didn't got 5 stars because it was too long,but gave more than 5 stars to Ospreay vs Omega that took longer than Taker and Michaels😂
I guess this logic only apply with people that he doesn't like, because he gave Joe vs Punk less than 4 stars🤦🏻
He also tried to justify it by saying he knew what Taker and HBK were doing when The Young Bucks, the 5 star kings for Dave, has the most predictable matches 😅
@@christiankarlkarganilla2763 yeah, Taker getting knocked out when Sim Snuka failed to catch him at WM 25 and the Streak vs Career stip at Mania 26 smell more unpredictable (at that time) that Young Buck superkick party can ever be. His reasoning is still sounded phony to me. Admit that you made a mistake Uncle Dave and stop pushing what stupid criteria Young Bucks and Omega had met to get your 5 stars
I guess they didn't take enough "risks" in the match to earn his very "prestigious" 5 STARS lol
Jericho vs Commander got 4 stars.
Punk vs. Joe got 3.75 stars
He very clearly has a disability that gives him the childlike idiocies.
Dave trying to explain his ratings through crowd reaction is hilariously bad because he gave Hogan vs Andre minus 4 stars and that match had over 90 thousand people hanging on every single little move that happened during the match.
I watched that match last night for the first time and spent the whole thing ranting and swearing at Dave for that rating.
What an epic epic spectacle, david vs goliath, 90,000 people who 100% believed every moment of the hero conquering insurmountable odds.
The match should have gotten extra praise for squeezing so much excitement out despite Andre's physical state if anything.
And then his readers later voted it Worst Match of the Year.
Dave did a good job explaining why nobody should take his star ratings seriously
Btw when Dave said he didn't give Taker vs Michaels because of the predictability of it, that is a FUCKING lie. He admitted on his review when the match came out that he was there live, and that the dive took him out of the match, and that's the reason he didn't give it five stars. He is backtracking.
He
CVV is the only dude in all of wrestling who I think not a single person has a problem with
Even MJF literally only misspelled his name in a live interview and treated his interviews seriously lol. He's the Ariel Helwani of pro wrestling
He's definitely up there with Mick Foley and Bobby Eaton (RIP) and people like that that everyone in the business loves
@@funkytiger8683he’s far more respected than the rat Helwani. Nobody likes that guy in mma
Dave Meltzer himself gets a 5-star rating in the use of jibberish. Also, hearing a classic Brian laugh at 29:50 made my week.
I watch a lot of Chris Van Vliet's interviews and in general the tone to his interviews are very friendly and very light. It's weird listening to him grill someone using that same tone of voice.
Also Chris is right, TNA had some absolute bangers back in the day that maybe should have gotten 5 stars.
I was feeling the same way, I definitely enjoyed it though.
I often joke how the Impact Zone is the opposite of the Tokyo Dome. People joke about Meltzer would rate a match higher if it was in the Tokyo Dome, I say he would rate matches higher if they weren't in the Impact Zone.
Impact still has bangers as seen with Josh Alexander's title reign. Sadly, I really believe Meltzer is a massive Impact hater and always was. I'm sorry but it's laughable how he only thought one match in 21+ years was a five star and that match was nearly 18 years ago. Meanwhile, he breaks his scale repeatedly for AEW and New Japan. Even WWE, a company people say he's hard on, has gotten four of their matches five star ratings in the last 13 months.
❤Prime TNA
@@ryanporzl1990 Yes, the Impact Zone is the opposite of the Tokyo Dome. One seats a couple hundred people sitting there asleep, the other seats up to 60k with some of the hottest main events in wrestling.
@@DreamDimensions-hv4lg You clearly haven't watched an Impact show.
"But you know", "Not really but", "You know it's like"
Jesus Christ, Meltzer needs more periods in a sentence than Jon Moxley needs blood every match.
It's amazing to hear how many words Meltzer uses to say absolutely nothing.
Reminds me of Tony on Ariels show 🤣
@@Melo_Soul yeah, Tony does the corporate non-answer thing while his eyes bug out of his head, and Dave chews on marbles and calls them words.... both take 8 mins to answer a "yes or no" question.... saying both yes and no, while somehow not saying either... 🤣
Word salad
That's literally how he's made any kind of name for himself. You ever see some of those Observer issues??? Just *walls* of rambling text.
He's the original influencer. His entire thing is just....non-stop content. It's meaningless, but it's non stop. This dude every week on his show will ramble on and on about why AEW got a .0000001 rating this week and a .0000002 rating last week. MEANINGLESS nonsense.
He's an absolute hack and he needs to go away.
@@chrischar9428 salad is giving it too much credit
You would think for someone that has been doing this for 40 years, he'd have a formula he could recite in his sleep, but he seems to be somehow caught off-guard by the questions (or trying to avoid being accountable for the criticisms)
This. You can hear the brakes in his mind screeching as he continues to contradict what makes a 5 star match.
He doesnt wantto be held to account is part of it. He wants the " its just my opinion" cop out ready in case he needs it.
I hope this opens a door for an interview with Chris and Corny. Dude gives some of the very best interviews today.
AEW has 21 five ⭐️matches in 4 years and WWE has only 19 !! In it’s ENTIRE HISTORY 😂😂😂😂
Not 19 its 9💀
26:44
“Umm… you know… I mean… it’s just, you know… (unintelligible noise)…. Yeah… it’s.. it’s.. harder”
Classic Meltzer. He’s definitely hitting that word quota in some creative ways.
Hey Dave, what's 2+2?
Dave: Well, I, I think it depends on, well you see if maybe your friend, and well if you have 2 or 2.5 then I think that maybe, it's like you you gotta assume that it's no more than just 2. So once you have two, I mean IF you have two then it's like, 2+2 I mean that's up to interpretation if you think about it. 2+2 today is like, not the same thing as 2+2 to others if you think about it. It's like back in the 1970s 2+2 was like, you like that, you know. But but if if today's 2 is anything like the way two was years ago then I think that has a major affect on what 2+2 is actually trying to tell you, you know?
18:58 Chris is Channeling all of our years of frustration here 😂
29:30
34:21
41:35 42:55
The thing he’s desperately trying not to say is that he wants five stars to be incredibly hard to attain for wrestling overall, but he also has a vested interest in the people he anointed as the best currently working to be seen at that level, and he wants AEW to be perceived as the greatest wrestling company currently running, so the best way to accomplish that in his mind is to pump them full of stars as quickly as possible.
"It's the ELITE rating."
You mean "The. Elite. The-The Elite."
CVV has always been a journalist, who is also a wrestling fan. Dave has always been a MARK and is larping as a journalist.
Perfectly stated
And I bet even Dave can barely recall anything from those supposed 5 star Moxley matches
I've called him a lazy ass in WWE and when he left and saw saw what's happening to him he's a fake tough guy
Blood. He remembers blood.
When chris brought up kenny omega having multiple 5 stars and Dave’s reaction was like yeah so? 😂
Kurt Angle vs HBK not being 5 stars is absolute insanity. Even when I was a kid watching Wrestlemania 21 live I thought how incredible the match was and one of the greatest matches ive ever seen
Dave could have answered this more succinctly.
"What goes into your star ratings?"
1. My Agenda
2. If the check clears
I have said it many times on Cornette’s podcast. Dave Meltzer is the Mel Kiper Jr of pro wrestling. Never been in a match, never booked a match, never was an agent for a match, never worked in the office for a promotion, yet somehow has convinced a lot of people that he is an expert and knows more than anyone. When in reality he takes guesses, is wrong way more than he is right, and when something he predicts does not happen he just goes “let me tell you why this was a great thing for ‘promotion X’”. All while people who do these jobs for real wouldn’t wipe their ass with the newsletters, much less listen to the person who writes them. And the ‘Observer’ is not like Madden is for NFL players. The ‘boys’ all want to see what their rating/match stars are, as opposed to doing the best they can do to win/put on a believable match.
Siskel & Ebert never made movies.
Mel is a great character. Don't humilate Mel with this buffoon
@@DreamDimensions-hv4lg actually Robert Ebert has writer credits on 9 things on IMDB, plus his time on their own as well as other shows. Siskel also worked on their as well as other shows. So l would give them more credit for at least being a part of movie and television production, as opposed to Meltzer who has never done a thing in pro wrestling.
@@DreamDimensions-hv4lgmaybe do some research before you start talking out your ass
I don't care what Dave Meltzer says:
Kurt Angle VS. Chris Benoit for the WWE title at 'WWE Royal Rumble 2003' is a 5-star match.
To Jim’s point about crowd reactions, I’d say a strong crowd reaction can help a match, since if the people are into it then the performers will likely kick it up a level too. But I generally prefer movies when it’s quiet in the theater, as I want to hear the dialogue and music versus what the couple next to me thinks of it.
Lol watching a dead quiet wrestling match is brutal, the only place it can work in my opinion is Japan but even then you can hear the crowd gasp and all that. Fans definitely make a Wrestling match more exciting. I understand about movies though, part of the reason why I'd rather just watch a movie at home or catch a matinee than a packed theater.
If we get the rant on Russo's utterly pathetic tweet this weekend this could be the greatest week of corny content ever!!
What's Russo saying?
@@billymcdowall9850Probably "bro" 68-70 times.
@@billymcdowall9850 Couple days ago he tweeted one of the most pathetic rants about how hard it is for him to carry on being paid good money to watch and talk about wrestling and that he never wanted to get in the business in the first place. Dutch already put a video up about it and his co host James gives Russo a well deserved hammering haha
Dutch Mantell and his co-host went HAM on Russo, it was so fkn hilarious. 😂
Say no more!
Don’t EVER underestimate how far bullshitting can take you in life. It’s an art.
And Dave is a master in this field
They interview is basically him trying to justify being biased against wwe
The "ISHIIIIIIIIIII" made my morning, thank you Jim.
The way Dave Meltzer said "I like that." around 5:39-5:46 was great...
It'll be mocked until the end of time, in my opinion.
I love when I realize when the thumbnail art, matches up with a quote or section in the segment
We should bring back tomato throwing. Seeing a tomato hit Mox or pockets on live tv would be great
Mox would probably just think he started to spontaneously bleed again once he gets hit with the tomato and sees red.
@@homedeezyfasheezy5662he'd grab the tomato on camera and blade it.
@@JohnKobaRuddy yeah he would. Then he’d mention in an interview how him and the tomato went to war with each other, say something about blood and guts, comment on their chemistry together and finally mention how awesome it was.
The tomato will make mox bleed then Dave gives it 5 stars lol
Chris Van Vliet is the kind of person who should go to AEW media scrums to ask the real questions and bring facts
The only interviews I've seen from him were with MJF, Cody Rhodes in his Stardust gimmick(which were pretty entertaining) and John Cena and he always asked great questions, he doesn't suck up from what I remember and he was in it with the gimmick of the wrestlers
Those AEW media scrums are just yes men who Tiny picked so that people like Chris wouldn't be able to come. No one there will question him
He’s probably not welcome
Funny thing is, he was "allegedly" hired by AEW, but per Chris himself, turns out it was a verbal one show agreement.
CVV should interview Tony with hard questions. Tony would cry if that happened
I get so excited when I see Russo or Dave’s face on the artwork. You know it’s gonna be PURE gold.
44:27 This was the moment where Meltzer basically admitted that he's not the Ed Murrow of wrestling, he's the Perez Hilton of wrestling. (Pushing his own agenda at all times, trying desperately trying to make his own tastes big.)
I've never read or will read the observer. I only know about it because of podcasts and shoot interviews. Rock vs. Hogan and HBK vs. Angle are 5 star matches to me.
I love that Brian got such a huge kick out of that vinegar joke
Uncle Dave is all over the place explaining his rating "system." He is describing multiple versions of matches in one. 😂😂😂
Say anything you want about TNA, but they had Kurt Angle in his prime vs AJ Styles in his prime. You can't get any more "elite" than that.
At least Dave could be more honest and say he just didn't like the company, the crowd or that those matches weren't Japanese enough for him.
Damn CVV was lowkey playing hard ball with Dave in his own way, well done.
In my opinion, Dave Meltzer is NOT a Journalist. He's a content creator, just like everyone on RUclips and TikTok who post videos of themselves talking about anyone and anything.
Only difference is that he lives in a very small bubble
Agreed. I’m no expert on the subject but to me a journalist’s work is supposed to be fact based and to document the subject that is being reported on. Dave’s content contains way too much of his opinion that is stated as fact which would definitely make him a content generator.
He's a Columnists in my opinion it's all opinion based not facts "Columnists produce pieces of opinion journalism that advance a particular point of view"
Communication is not Dave’s strong suit.
Van vilet needs to get Jim on his podcasts. Would pay for that
Good on Chris for pushing the subject with him and making the points anyone with a brain would
Angle vs HBK from WrestleMania 21 is a 5 star match all day long. That man caught the Sweet Chin Music into an Angle Lock.
But they didn’t do a million flips and flops in there match
That’s how you know it’s a bubble these people live in. Dave said all the right prerequisites for a good match. But then proceeds to grade these BS garbage matches with 4 and 5 stars that don’t accomplish anything he said
How HBK AND TAKER WAS not a 5 star ? Wtf this star rating means nothing .
“I liked that match.”
All you had to say.
No normal person gives af about what Dave Meltzer says. The guy cant even form a coherent sentence just stutters and says "you know" over and over.
it’s wild the more you listen to his explanations , the more you realize how silly the ratings system of dave is 😂
If he just said “I like this and I don’t like that” it would’ve been better than basically admitting that he comes up with everything on the fly and applies his logic differently based on where the match takes place and what company they wrestle for.
If he were on trial and the charges were “having no clue and obvious bias against WWE and any American wrestling that tries to be somewhat serious”…this interview would be slam dunk evidence for the prosecution.
@@JM1993951 and he has a few moments in the pod where he understands and knows his star ratings has an effect on the business and tries to act unbiased and professional, but can't even explain how his own system works
@@whereta3097 "emm Undertaker vs Shawn Michael is predictable" ehh. Uncle Dave forgot that Taker never beat HBK one on one so the match was very unpredictable because that was the first time that The Streak is in huge danger. The following year was also the same. Streak vs Career, people would have thought HBK would have won not knowing he was retiring. The pedigree+ SCM combo at WM 28 and Taker kicked out is the moment that that should get 5 stars
Glad to see Chris Van Vliet has the respect of everyone in wrestling, even someone as critical, granted for his own valid reasons, as Cornette.
Chris is definitely one of the very few great wrestling interviewers and just interviewers in general
How do you measure "what a match accomplished," without years of hindsight?
“Kurt never had the perfect opponent.” He says while talking about Angle-Benoit. Dave is a blind man, flying a plane into a building, asking where the plane is.
Damn a 48 minute Matt Hardy vid and a 52.5 minute Uncle Dave video. Just need an hour long Moxley vid and we have the trifecta of content.
Chris's face looked like he was posing and practicing his facial expressions the whole time Dave was talking 😂
Everything Kurt Angle did with Chris Benoit in 2002-2004 was peak in ring action. Never seen two wrestlers in a ring look more convincingly like they were legitimately trying to break eachother into pieces. Surprises are for main events where topnguys held together by tape and painkillers who cant do much have mediocre matches and a surprise will take it over the top. When you have two intense, talented athletes going into that ring and looking like theyre trying to kill one another you dont need surprises.
I'm 30 minutes and just wow. Dave is a master of word salad. Says a bunch of words that give no answer. Also, 1997 to 2011 they're were nob5 star matches in WWE/WWF? That's insane considering the matches in that time period that are remembered fondly by people 20 plus years after the fact
My #1 complaint against his dumb ratings is the more dangerous they are to each other the higher ratings he gives then for whatever reason the more certain wrestlers care to chase them. Both Osprey and Omega only do that dumb Tiger driver almost breaking Kenny's neck for Dave's stars they both admit they chase and his approval and it's dangerous for the fools and it's ruining what pro wrestling is.
And they won't getting substantially beneficial from it. Dave Star ratings doest put food on the table, doesn't even give you more credibility since they're stuck in a bubble. More than half the people doesn't even know who Omegle is let alone Off-spray.
What I like about this, is Dave can't slump to being a condescending prick like he is on X.
He is actually confronted live and asked to explain his approach.
He can't, since he's used to insulting and eventually blocking people.
If it was Jim asking these questions, you know Dave and his babies would throw a fit
This segment was incredible
Here’s my thing. Jericho-Kommander was a pleasant surprise this week. It also equals Jerichos highest rated pre 2017 matches. Beniot ladder match, HBK ladder match, HBK mania match, the greatest tag match of that era (maybe ever) Jericho-Beniot v. Austin HHH (easily best raw match)
@@haroldhall1517 kommander sucks he’s a botch machine he’s horrible in the ring tk f up on hiring him waste of time
Tha match sucked a big botch match
Yes I've been waiting to see if yall would talk about this. Chris was kinda grilling him because of so many all time classics never getting over 4 3/4
He's pissed about those TNA matches especially lol
It was nice to hear Chris politely grill Dave on his ratings. Dave came out of this conversation with even less credibility, if that's even possible.
Thank you, Jim Cornette for referencing Red Buttons' "Never got a dinner!..." routine around 36:43-36:53 from the Dean Martin celebrity roasts.
Those took place long before I was even born & I got the reference.
My dad likes those & I first started watching them with him when I was in middle school.
The first few years were great, but, after a while, they just got old & weren't as funny, but, that's another story for another time...
I scrolled all the comments looking for someone else who knew where that was from. Jim is so awesome! Such a surprise quote to hear
Hell of a reference, Jim, but Shecky Greene wasn't the "never had a dinner" guy at the Dean Martin roasts. That was Red Buttons.
What was the reference around 27:20-27:45, again from 'Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes'?...
I don't get it.
Meltzer wrote on the Observer message board that he hated this interview. His son's pet had passed an hour before and Chris had said they could put it off another time but Meltzer wanted to get it over with to get his mind off it. Makes me more sense why towards the end he said he's grateful for animals.
And he thought it was a waste of time to argue on 4.75 star matches because if its 4.75 then "we both agree".
It just comes off two faced when at the end of the interview he says he had fun and would do a part 2 in the future.
This and the Matt hardy video? You're spoiling us jim😂😂😂
Meltzer has become a parody of himself.
Brian Zane from Wrestling With Wregret has a 5-star rating for his pro wrestling Pay-Per-View reviews & I'd be willing to bet you anything & everything that the Chris Benoit/Kurt Angle match from 'WWE Royal Rumble 2003' for the WWE title would be given a 5-star rating & rightfully so, in my opinion.
His rating system has more credibility compared to Dave Meltzer's rating system, in that case/example.
I remember seeing Chris’s meltzer interview and it was beautiful Chris is very much the same kind of fan I am so seeing him just point out meltzer’s bias and tear apart the entire internet smark “workrate” crowd by exposing their hypocrisy was beautiful. They want to talk about workrate etc but they refuse to give attitude era guys like guerrero/benoit/angle their due despite the fact that they were working that style long before meltzer’s indie darlings and they also had much more entertaining personas inside and outside the ring. Kurt also seemed to take the “not one 5 star match” thing to heart which is pretty fucked considering that in terms of in ring ability he’s easily one of the most gifted wrestlers that ever lived.
Excellent job by CVV! I thoroughly enjoyed hearing Corny and Last weigh in on the interview.
Dave acts like the ratings are above him😂 “I had no choice but to give this timeless classic 4.75 stars instead of 5” okay bro
CVV did an excellent job of letting Dave hang himself. He did his homework and exposed Dave, pinning him down and exposing him.
Dave's formula for 5 star matches: "Did the match happen in Japan and or feature Kenny Omega? Yes? 5 STARS!"
According to Dave Meltzer, AEW has as many 5+ star matches in 5 years of existence than WWE, WCW, and TNA combined in the 40+ years he's been rating matches
I tried watching the one hour Okada Omega match 2 days ago and my God it's long and damn... I quit on the 29th minute and put on Austin vs Brett.
If you take a shot everytime Dave says (Like) and or (You know)...man you'd be sloshed half way to death.
I wonder if Jim has seen Shawn vs Taker at WM25. I know in 2009 Jim still hated Shawn and probably never wanted to see anything to do w him but times hes softened his stance on him over the years.
Or he just hates Kenny, Russo and the bucks more..either way he should do a watch along of that match