Man I literally cried during the part where he's going to the bathroom to check on his daughter. I can't imagine an actual parent going through this game while they have a kid with a similar condition.
I had my daughter some weeks after I finished this game and it really messed with me. My daughter is half asian and she remembers the girl a little. And now she likes to sing...
This game was so good…my parents are from Taiwan, and the house decor feels so familiar and nostalgic. I also experienced the denial of my own mental illness and it made me cry at the end to see how far a parent will go to confirm their own denial and try different ways to resolve their child’s issues incorrectly. My own mom would inject me with iron supplements when I was a kid thinking that my depression stemmed from anemia…but it also did not work.
Sorry to hear about your struggles. It's really hard when the people around you can't understand what you're going through. I hope you're much better now.
@@KazzaGamesTV thank you for your kind words! I’ve learned to manage my symptoms a lot better as an adult compared to when I was a child, so there’s a lot of improvement. I do not always hate depression though because it allows me to appreciate works of art and stories like Devotion…and empathize with or help others who also have mental illnesses.
I don't agree with the comparison in James from Silent Hill. James felt imprisoned by his wife's illness and frustrations from it which lead to his terrible actions. Fang was devastated and desperate to save his daughter by any means that would help. Much different motivations. Fang was delusional out of desperation to save someone he loved. His reasons for his actions were more noble despite very misguided. Who wouldn't try what they could when everything felt hopeless? He went too far but for good cause. James' reasons were a pure selfish want to escape dealing with his wifes' sickness and troubles.
Well, game that insert Woke and Political agenda deserves to be banned. Before any of you start taking the side of the Taiwanese studio remember Taiwan also banned Black Myth Wukong on Playstation 🤭
Devotion is so majestic... What a sad, tragic and emotional story. The real horror are the story behind this scammers, that plagued those people for real, taking their money and letting die a family member. This game was nothing that I expected, a concrete critic against this scam, the pain of a daughter and the fear of a father, ending with an unbelievable way, searching the inner forgiveness from a desperate devotion. An elegant tragedy
Devotion is fantastic. I have watched CJU play it through twice! I love Asian horror games, I played Fatal Frame 2 many years ago in the middle of the night and scared my soul right out of my body.
I wanted to try this one, but horror games really freaked me out way too much. I have tormented souls ,but barely played it. I thought maybe a game more on the fantastic side wld be better for me. I saw someone play graveyard shift,and loved to watch ,but i cldnt have played it. However games w hopelessness are my least favorite, it s too dark. I prefer lovecraftian cosmic horror, stuff like that.
I had to pirate the game go play it and I liked it so much that I emailed the developers to ask them how I can financially support them. They messaged me back a week later to let me know how I can purchase the game and when it will be available again online. They said that they were working on other games but that was years ago. My Taiwanese boyfriend just called the game "visiting grandfather's house simulator"... Taiwanese people weren't as impressed with the game as westerners.
one of the best "walking simulators" i've ever played, but definitely one of the best stories in gaming history. i've been obsessed with the style of the game and they have definitely outgrown from being just a typical P.T clone and far surpassed it, in my opinion.
When I saw the phrase "Horror game that got banned in Asia" I immediately thought of Devotion, it wasn't banned because of the gameplay being too horrific or disturbing, it's because of Weenie the Pooh.
Before this game there was Detention. I don't if you covered this game yet just wanna ask, especially a Korean horror game called White Day: A Labyrinth named school.
Well, game that insert Woke and Political agenda deserves to be banned. Before any of you start taking the side of the Taiwanese studio remember Taiwan also banned Black Myth Wukong on Playstation 🤭
As a malay person (asian) my culture has a lot of legends and ghosts that are quite terrifying and people even in Singapore (where im from), Malaya, and sometimes even Indonesia have somewhat have sightings about it. The reason why asian horror games is that the ghosts are based on our legends. In the US, im asking people from there. Are there ANY legends about ghosts and superstitions? I dont really believe in superstitions because im muslim.. Thank you for my understanding of why asian horror games are the most scariest.
"Devotion" was incredible. I had already watched a playthrough before I bought it, and I knew I had to experience it for myself. Zero regrets, it's worth every penny.
Devotion wasn't banned because of it's context. A quick google search will show, as I correctly recalled when it was released, that it was removed because it made the ruler of the ccp mad.
Well, game that insert Woke and Political agenda deserves to be banned. Before any of you start taking the side of the Taiwanese studio remember Taiwan also banned Black Myth Wukong on Playstation 🤭
@@Freed.eric1994 it was a bit more than just a Winnie the Pooh poster. There was script to go along with it that specifically compared him to Pooh bear.
Thanks for keeping this game’s memory alive. I get so pissed off thinking about the greatness it was destined for. Red Candle could have been the next Team Silent. Nine Sols is cool and all but man…
I watched a playthrough of it before. It’s one of the best horror games ever. It had good graphics, that creepy like unsettling feeling that’s familiar yet strange and everything is so unexpected but the atmosphere is extremely good
The saddest thing is that the daughter was probably just having panic attacks, but was killed by the father being so desperate & blinded to the actual cause
Also check out Detention from the same developer (Red Candle). It's based on Taiwan's white terror era, where political persecution was prevalent and paranoia was everywhere
It depends on the person's state in life. I personally know people who lost their little ones and would see this game as a nightmare. The power of this horror game is not the typical scary ghosts or jumpscares. It's the deep story that shows how your own mind can be your biggest prison and fear, while also being a shelter from the real world. It shows the impact of denial and delusion after refusing to take accountability for your actions. These themes are not easy to understand by everyone, but they resonate a lot with people who went through similar situations, and that's scarier than any kind of fiction.
One of the best games i have ever played! Scared the hell out of me, it is very creepy, the horror and lore are amazing! Since I've become a father the ending got me emotional to be honest. 100/100
Its about a dad trying to cure the daugther by worshipping the devilic demon ( cigu guanyin/ 慈古大人）if im not wrong but ended up kiling his wife and his children
Buddhism says magic isn't good because it always relies on false hope and is never better than cold hard reality, think about the people who at the worst times of the Conquista of Mexico who sacrificed dozens of babies in a sacred cave to undo it and how much better it would've been if they tried none of it.
Many times i hate how i came across people comments saying these first person horror games are walking simulator but how come back in 2014 when Silent Hill P.T or any others games like Layers of Fear and Visage came out people didn't call that as a walking simulator starting to see comments like that popping out for reason back in somewhere 2018 to 2020 something like that idk if these comments are still popping out or not but they are really pissing me off until day it weird.
Yeah, it's hard to explain to someone that think you're a weeb half the time but on the other hand my main point is you can never make a game too scary I guess like P.T. for example otherwise it'll get banned or cancelled.
@@MoeMoon No, if you have a problem with my punctuation then sure go at it but my point still stands... If you have enough of a brain or experience then you would get it already.
@@MoeMoon apparently your bad at giving advice or making a point so the only good thing your at is being negative like a troll.... Case closed and your dismissed.
The Chinese are as deluded as Feng Yu if they think there's absolutely nothing wrong with their president. Thank you Taiwan for making a great game 🇹🇼 ❤
so it was banned because of winnie the poo ? jesus china .... you destroied a damn good game ! personaly i really don´t care about this ! now i really want to play that game >.
My shin. It makes me laugh every time. I’m not being mean or anything but HAHAHA Edit: I know it seemed mean that I’m making fun of a name of a kid that suffered but haizzz….
The narration kinda ruins the video after a while. The beginning is fine, but when the game actually starts.. he still talks 🤦🏼♀️ cant hear the game. Kills the eerie vibe
Oh Devotion, I thought it would be some odd s*icide-inducing thing like the Pokemon episode controversy, this game is actually fire. Love the cultural supernatural games and I remember Coryxkenshin playing this, it's gory and scary and perfectly creepy all in one. Plus the plot is actually good, didn't know it was banned... As for the point about Asian horror games being creepy by default, it has to do with the culture most of the time. Most Asian horror games are heavily dipped in culture and by default, religion-based and that adds a whole new layer of eeriness that normal horror games about like zombies and ghosts and serial killers can't quite capture. And yes, the realism too. Because irl, there are such instances and some are even based on true stories, except the supernatural elements, not that hard to believe the crazy religious cult stories.
Hmm... i dont like how you think Mei's illness was just a lung cancer... instead of her having escalated anxiety attacks. it downplayed the scenes that showed this. This disregards how the physical treatments were nothing but a way for her doctor to kill her so a wealthy kid (or was it the doctor's kid) can have her organ. This downplay disregarded the stigma around mental health, the dad refused to acknowledge that Mei had anxiety attacks that proceeded to give her stage fright. That if the dad (and tbh, the mom included) just accepted this and let the kid be a kid and not put as much pressure on her, they could have kept her attacks at bay. This was also why she was playing with the metal balls, she was trying to calm herself. But nah, it's just a lung disease aye.
mmm Meh. They repeat the scenes over and over because it is cheaper to do a game that way. No real moving NPCs, just a few. Requires less programming with the excuse that he is reliving some "memories" in the same house. Not that scary. Fatal Frame is still way scarier than this.
I think that if you are going to make a political stance in such a work, then you should actually make a political stance, not just some childish joke. The "joke" made no sense whatsoever (could have talked about the tense relations between the countries and how that affected the parents work, pushing the father to become even more desperate) and just repeated a tired argument that became famous on the internet at the time.
Why? Because poor little China is gonna cry again when someone makes a dumb joke about them? No one needs political stances on China, that's way too late, especially for Taiwan. But seeing cHiLdiSh JoKeS like this trigger Chinese shills this much is hilarious and just reminds the rest of the world what kind of country we helped become powerful.
He has an accent that is actually real, that is why he says wife like that and it's not a problem. It is natural for his accent. Have you never heard anyone else with a similar accent to his before? He is also using a more dramatic pacing enunciation for effect because he is telling us effectively a horror story.
Thanks for keeping this game’s memory alive. I get so pissed off thinking about the greatness it was destined for. Red Candle could have been the next Team Silent. Nine Sols is cool and all but man…
The game is called Devotion and the only reason why it was "banned" is because a drawing in the game made fun of Xi Pingpong.
Heheheheebeehehehe. The devs have my respect for that
Hahahah
Xi as in Winnie the Pooh Xi?
Yes it's an excellent game too. The storybook part was very unique and beautiful.
thank u for saving me 36 minutes
Man I literally cried during the part where he's going to the bathroom to check on his daughter. I can't imagine an actual parent going through this game while they have a kid with a similar condition.
I had my daughter some weeks after I finished this game and it really messed with me. My daughter is half asian and she remembers the girl a little. And now she likes to sing...
hey! I saw ur comment on another video to review this game 8 months ago, you're probably the reason why he made this video that's pretty cool
This game was so good…my parents are from Taiwan, and the house decor feels so familiar and nostalgic. I also experienced the denial of my own mental illness and it made me cry at the end to see how far a parent will go to confirm their own denial and try different ways to resolve their child’s issues incorrectly. My own mom would inject me with iron supplements when I was a kid thinking that my depression stemmed from anemia…but it also did not work.
Sorry to hear about your struggles. It's really hard when the people around you can't understand what you're going through. I hope you're much better now.
@@KazzaGamesTV thank you for your kind words! I’ve learned to manage my symptoms a lot better as an adult compared to when I was a child, so there’s a lot of improvement. I do not always hate depression though because it allows me to appreciate works of art and stories like Devotion…and empathize with or help others who also have mental illnesses.
Hey on the bright side you're definitely not iron deficient!
@@sugoi9680 😅 well…sometimes I am anemic, but not all the time! 🩸
@@lanoosaurusrex Haha glad you're doing better
I don't agree with the comparison in James from Silent Hill. James felt imprisoned by his wife's illness and frustrations from it which lead to his terrible actions. Fang was devastated and desperate to save his daughter by any means that would help. Much different motivations. Fang was delusional out of desperation to save someone he loved. His reasons for his actions were more noble despite very misguided. Who wouldn't try what they could when everything felt hopeless? He went too far but for good cause. James' reasons were a pure selfish want to escape dealing with his wifes' sickness and troubles.
Why are we pretending that China is justified in throwing tantrums like a child everytime someone makes a stupid joke?
Well, game that insert Woke and Political agenda deserves to be banned. Before any of you start taking the side of the Taiwanese studio remember Taiwan also banned Black Myth Wukong on Playstation 🤭
i dont, i think its kinda ridiculous
Because China has some of the largest populations on the planet and money talks.
Because they have a lot of money and military influences in world stage.
I don't think the chinese players complained about the game; it was the government who did so. Dictatorships.
Devotion is so majestic... What a sad, tragic and emotional story. The real horror are the story behind this scammers, that plagued those people for real, taking their money and letting die a family member. This game was nothing that I expected, a concrete critic against this scam, the pain of a daughter and the fear of a father, ending with an unbelievable way, searching the inner forgiveness from a desperate devotion. An elegant tragedy
Devotion is fantastic. I have watched CJU play it through twice! I love Asian horror games, I played Fatal Frame 2 many years ago in the middle of the night and scared my soul right out of my body.
I wanted to try this one, but horror games really freaked me out way too much. I have tormented souls ,but barely played it. I thought maybe a game more on the fantastic side wld be better for me. I saw someone play graveyard shift,and loved to watch ,but i cldnt have played it. However games w hopelessness are my least favorite, it s too dark. I prefer lovecraftian cosmic horror, stuff like that.
I had to pirate the game go play it and I liked it so much that I emailed the developers to ask them how I can financially support them. They messaged me back a week later to let me know how I can purchase the game and when it will be available again online. They said that they were working on other games but that was years ago. My Taiwanese boyfriend just called the game "visiting grandfather's house simulator"... Taiwanese people weren't as impressed with the game as westerners.
They did make it available, but only on their website (but DRM free, which is nice). And then they developed and released Nine Sols recently.
you are a good dude . keep gaming
Yeah, devotion haters talking about why the ending is bad cuz' it didn't explain anything are giving RED FLAGS vibesr
Who the fuck is his grandfather?
one of the best "walking simulators" i've ever played, but definitely one of the best stories in gaming history. i've been obsessed with the style of the game and they have definitely outgrown from being just a typical P.T clone and far surpassed it, in my opinion.
When I saw the phrase "Horror game that got banned in Asia" I immediately thought of Devotion, it wasn't banned because of the gameplay being too horrific or disturbing, it's because of Weenie the Pooh.
No sleep tonight. Again.
Im gonna get you
Soft
@@arielquelme af
Wanna smash instead?
@@arielquelme so you prefer them hard as rocks then? I wonder why...
This game is up there with Visage. They don't make good indie horror games like this recently.
I'm really struggling to find similar games to this one in the recent years.
How/where can I get it if it's banned
Before this game there was Detention. I don't if you covered this game yet just wanna ask, especially a Korean horror game called White Day: A Labyrinth named school.
Detention is an amazing scary game. I'm actually planning to talk about it in an upcoming video for 2D horror games specifically.
@@KazzaGamesTV the detention franchise also has a movie, released in 2019, such a good horror film, i sincerely wish devotion could have one as well
@@刁韮勹Perhaps in the future that will happen, especially when the situation in the Chinese Mainland changes. Nobody lives forever.
I wonder if they will ever bring it back on Steam? After all these years, Winnie the Pooh loyalists must have forgotten about this game, right?
Well, game that insert Woke and Political agenda deserves to be banned. Before any of you start taking the side of the Taiwanese studio remember Taiwan also banned Black Myth Wukong on Playstation 🤭
I got jumpscared in every scene of the video,but I still stayed to watch
As a malay person (asian) my culture has a lot of legends and ghosts that are quite terrifying and people even in Singapore (where im from), Malaya, and sometimes even Indonesia have somewhat have sightings about it.
The reason why asian horror games is that the ghosts are based on our legends.
In the US, im asking people from there. Are there ANY legends about ghosts and superstitions? I dont really believe in superstitions because im muslim..
Thank you for my understanding of why asian horror games are the most scariest.
"Devotion" was incredible. I had already watched a playthrough before I bought it, and I knew I had to experience it for myself. Zero regrets, it's worth every penny.
Thanks for bringing back memories of this game.
Video starts at 03:00 btw for people annoyed by the time wasting (me)
Devotion wasn't banned because of it's context. A quick google search will show, as I correctly recalled when it was released, that it was removed because it made the ruler of the ccp mad.
You watched the video?
Well, game that insert Woke and Political agenda deserves to be banned. Before any of you start taking the side of the Taiwanese studio remember Taiwan also banned Black Myth Wukong on Playstation 🤭
yeah o remember, they had like a poster of winnie the pooh, they thought they were mocking the leader of china
@@Freed.eric1994 it was a bit more than just a Winnie the Pooh poster. There was script to go along with it that specifically compared him to Pooh bear.
I want you to tell me that again and look into my eyes: WHO THE HELL IS MENTALLY OKAY-
Good deepdive into Game. I hope there's more of this kind of content, that have wider study about game workings.. 🤔
Althought there are some jumpscares in this game, the most scary part is the clever silent use of the dolls.
25.23 part that girl standing behind the door gives me the creeps!! YIKES!
7:30 "You can't feel it in the video"
Bro I felt that through my whole body 😭
Thanks for keeping this game’s memory alive. I get so pissed off thinking about the greatness it was destined for.
Red Candle could have been the next Team Silent. Nine Sols is cool and all but man…
I watched a playthrough of it before. It’s one of the best horror games ever. It had good graphics, that creepy like unsettling feeling that’s familiar yet strange and everything is so unexpected but the atmosphere is extremely good
The saddest thing is that the daughter was probably just having panic attacks, but was killed by the father being so desperate & blinded to the actual cause
Also check out Detention from the same developer (Red Candle). It's based on Taiwan's white terror era, where political persecution was prevalent and paranoia was everywhere
I still don't get how someone who is mentally unstable shouldn't play this game? But 9:41 in and I'm still waiting for the scarry part?
It depends on the person's state in life. I personally know people who lost their little ones and would see this game as a nightmare. The power of this horror game is not the typical scary ghosts or jumpscares. It's the deep story that shows how your own mind can be your biggest prison and fear, while also being a shelter from the real world. It shows the impact of denial and delusion after refusing to take accountability for your actions. These themes are not easy to understand by everyone, but they resonate a lot with people who went through similar situations, and that's scarier than any kind of fiction.
One of the best games i have ever played!
Scared the hell out of me, it is very creepy, the horror and lore are amazing!
Since I've become a father the ending got me emotional to be honest.
100/100
Its about a dad trying to cure the daugther by worshipping the devilic demon ( cigu guanyin/ 慈古大人）if im not wrong but ended up kiling his wife and his children
Buddhism says magic isn't good because it always relies on false hope and is never better than cold hard reality, think about the people who at the worst times of the Conquista of Mexico who sacrificed dozens of babies in a sacred cave to undo it and how much better it would've been if they tried none of it.
FYI You can now buy it from their official websit.
it is still available on their site at least so not fully lost
Damn, I'm Ready to cry so sure let's go.
1:42 game name?
Home sweet home
The starting of this video, that camera pan 😮
Many times i hate how i came across people comments saying these first person horror games are walking simulator but how come back in 2014 when Silent Hill P.T or any others games like Layers of Fear and Visage came out people didn't call that as a walking simulator starting to see comments like that popping out for reason back in somewhere 2018 to 2020 something like that idk if these comments are still popping out or not but they are really pissing me off until day it weird.
I may be far from mentally stable, but I WILL find a way to get this game
Cannot find this game on steam... Only it's soundtrack
gaming can't survive politics? Bro, gaming has been discussing politics since its inception.
They banned this masterpiece for a dumb political joke? People in america ship their own presidents toghether.
I heard about this game, but unfortunately I didn't play it,i liked your video💯
It's not banned on the Internet in general. Maybe in some countries but not everywhere.
Give James some credit at least he wasn't stupid enough to fall for an obvious scam. This game also gives PT vibes.
I don't remember who I watched play this, but I remember loving this game so much!
What is the game in the woods at the beginning?
How do we play this game if its banned?
W developers but its too bad people in china who dont support the government cant get it now, this game looks amazing
This is cool!😊
Thanks for the video
Yeah, it's hard to explain to someone that think you're a weeb half the time but on the other hand my main point is you can never make a game too scary I guess like P.T. for example otherwise it'll get banned or cancelled.
Most likely you're just terrible at explaining things.
@@MoeMoon No, if you have a problem with my punctuation then sure go at it but my point still stands... If you have enough of a brain or experience then you would get it already.
@@danteshollowedgrounds apparently your bad at reading comprehension also.
@@MoeMoon apparently your bad at giving advice or making a point so the only good thing your at is being negative like a troll.... Case closed and your dismissed.
@@danteshollowedgroundsapparently you're corny af too
Why don’t you list the name of the game?
Weak man creates hard times?
You want scary play Sad Satan
what is game name?
Not gonna lie good story but I don’t know kinda lackluster but good for a indie game
The Chinese are as deluded as Feng Yu if they think there's absolutely nothing wrong with their president. Thank you Taiwan for making a great game 🇹🇼 ❤
Hot Fuzz jump scare lol
Xinnie the Pooh is a pestilence on humanity.
Red candle games to purchase
they banned this game because the CCP didn't like a certain yellow bear
China cannot be the biggest trading partner with China
Good, far q mentally ill shirt from the Province of Taiwan
so it was banned because of winnie the poo ? jesus china .... you destroied a damn good game ! personaly i really don´t care about this ! now i really want to play that game >.
My shin Fang yu lmfao
Detention by same dev 1000x better
My shin. It makes me laugh every time. I’m not being mean or anything but HAHAHA
Edit: I know it seemed mean that I’m making fun of a name of a kid that suffered but haizzz….
Devotion.
btw mei is pronounced may not mi
not hating jst letting you know
The narration kinda ruins the video after a while. The beginning is fine, but when the game actually starts.. he still talks 🤦🏼♀️ cant hear the game. Kills the eerie vibe
Lol this is not a "Let's Play" video. It's an essay video. I'm supposed to talk and explain the game.
It was not banned everywhere..
Out damn spot
what's the game even called?
Devotion.
This is sad
Stop the cap the top comment said the real reason do some research
Wow...
Oh Devotion, I thought it would be some odd s*icide-inducing thing like the Pokemon episode controversy, this game is actually fire. Love the cultural supernatural games and I remember Coryxkenshin playing this, it's gory and scary and perfectly creepy all in one. Plus the plot is actually good, didn't know it was banned...
As for the point about Asian horror games being creepy by default, it has to do with the culture most of the time. Most Asian horror games are heavily dipped in culture and by default, religion-based and that adds a whole new layer of eeriness that normal horror games about like zombies and ghosts and serial killers can't quite capture. And yes, the realism too. Because irl, there are such instances and some are even based on true stories, except the supernatural elements, not that hard to believe the crazy religious cult stories.
damn
its not even that scary
Hmm... i dont like how you think Mei's illness was just a lung cancer... instead of her having escalated anxiety attacks.
it downplayed the scenes that showed this. This disregards how the physical treatments were nothing but a way for her doctor to kill her so a wealthy kid (or was it the doctor's kid) can have her organ. This downplay disregarded the stigma around mental health, the dad refused to acknowledge that Mei had anxiety attacks that proceeded to give her stage fright. That if the dad (and tbh, the mom included) just accepted this and let the kid be a kid and not put as much pressure on her, they could have kept her attacks at bay. This was also why she was playing with the metal balls, she was trying to calm herself.
But nah, it's just a lung disease aye.
mmm Meh. They repeat the scenes over and over because it is cheaper to do a game that way. No real moving NPCs, just a few. Requires less programming with the excuse that he is reliving some "memories" in the same house. Not that scary. Fatal Frame is still way scarier than this.
I think that if you are going to make a political stance in such a work, then you should actually make a political stance, not just some childish joke. The "joke" made no sense whatsoever (could have talked about the tense relations between the countries and how that affected the parents work, pushing the father to become even more desperate) and just repeated a tired argument that became famous on the internet at the time.
Why? Because poor little China is gonna cry again when someone makes a dumb joke about them?
No one needs political stances on China, that's way too late, especially for Taiwan. But seeing cHiLdiSh JoKeS like this trigger Chinese shills this much is hilarious and just reminds the rest of the world what kind of country we helped become powerful.
Dude you cant say the word wife and not do it like Borat, What the f. is your problem?
explain.
@@KazzaGamesTV watch borat
@@Saddonghussein the kidnapping of pamela anderson scene?
@@刁韮勹 no when he says wife
He has an accent that is actually real, that is why he says wife like that and it's not a problem. It is natural for his accent. Have you never heard anyone else with a similar accent to his before? He is also using a more dramatic pacing enunciation for effect because he is telling us effectively a horror story.
I remember seeing the Let's Play for this before the game got banned. It had some pretty brutal scenes at the end.
i didnt know that Winnie the pooh meme originated from horror game
Thanks for keeping this game’s memory alive. I get so pissed off thinking about the greatness it was destined for.
Red Candle could have been the next Team Silent. Nine Sols is cool and all but man…