CGC Vs. CBCS: Are The New Labels a Game Changer? Featuring Automatic Comics!
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2023
- We just got a big announcement from CBCS! The long awaited update to their labels have been officially released. In this video we talk about the differences between CGC and CBCS and what the impact of these new labels might be on the hobby.
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I really want CBCS to rise to a meaningful level of competition and there are some viable excellent changes with the new labels but overcoming the existing bias towards CGC is going to be tough.
the old labels definitely gave a "i printed this at home" vibe. new ones are definitely an improvement tbh.
Matching up the design with CGC was a smart move. A lot of collectors want their labels to look the same.
Personally, I submit to both CGC and CBCS. I do believe that CBCS grade more strictly, but then again you are right, the grading standards of both companies were established by the same person, Steve Borock. I had not thought of it before watching this video, but after hearing what you said I agree that the biggest upside to this label change is that the slabs from both companies will be able to be displayed together more harmoniously
I like the CBCS cases more just because for some reason those newton rings really bother me. And the new labels look pretty good. I just wanted the grade to stand out more, so they accomplished that.
I love the new design. It will add to their business I think.
It's good to have competition. I like CBCS and their new labels, and I hope they obtain a larger market share and hope the community treats their sale value the same as CGC.
Labels are certainly better then the old ones. Love the extra info on the back. The writing could be bolder.
Nice, clean design, better emphasis on the grading number, seems to allow enough breathing room around the copy in the label so it is easy to read. CBCS is moving in the right direction with this new look.
I've never minded CBCS but I do like the improvements they made to the labels.
Nice breakdown.
I know the CBCS folks well enough and heard the details about the new label a month ago, and was told that the Marvel Comics #1 was going to be the first comic to receive it. Glad to see that they launched.
I never understood the knit-picking over the label. I didn't hear much of that complaint until CBCS had improved their slab which is undoubtedly superior to CGC. CBCS grading was always more consistent than CGC, and I think it was just "copium" from OCD collectors that were desperately still looking for something to complain about. I would ask people what they meant by it, and the best response I could get was there wasn't a white background on the grade, which seemed silly.
But I get why CBCS updated it. If the market speaks, and people can't handle it not looking more like their CGC books, they had to respond.
CBCS has been growing in me more and more. If it’s the right book I honestly wouldn’t mind either service. Thank you for the video
Labels look amazing. I will always be a CGC guy mostly, but i will send more than usual CBCS's way due to these labels
Presentation looks great with these new labels. I enjoy having both CGC and CBCS books in my collection but this should make people more open to sending their books to CBCS
I have no problem with CBCS at all! The ability to have signed books authenticated is an essential part of the hobby. IMO it's a short fall of CGC to not offer that service. I still have a CGC paid account, but there will be a day that I end up with a VERY large CBCS submission. Solely because CBCS is willing to do the basic work of verifying signatures.
We need the competition - it keeps the companies from getting lazy. I've always preferred the quality of CBCS slabs, but I'll have to send in a few books to see the new labels. That being said, CGC is still the better investment if you're looking to sell.
Kudos to them for finally listening to their customers and critics. I still say buy the book and not the label. And I will add that if you are at a convention and talking to a dealer with two identical books with the same grade, but in different slabs, see if they will give you the CBCS slab at a discount. I seriously doubt it.
If you love it buy it. In the end it's your opinion no one else's. Both have great labels. Any book would be an addition to the collection. Keep up the great work Ryan.
I really like the look of the new CBCS label and I think their cases are more durable with clearer plastic. The big reason I don’t use CBCS is knowing that if I decide to one day sell that graded book, a CGC slab will sell faster and usually for more money.
I'm probably in the minority, but I never had a problem with CBCS' previous labels. So this change is not going to affect to which company I submit my books. With that being said, it's nice to see a company actually listen to their customers and try to make their customers happy.
After how many years? Thats crazy.
I want CBCS to succeed because competition is good for the consumer. The new labels are an improvement but still need a little polish.
I think it's a big improvement. I'm going to send in a book so I can see it up close and personal, but I think the new labels look great.
Like the new labels. Love that CBCS cases do not have Newton Rings!
There are many different RUclips channels, talking about the new labels but you are the first to do such a great detailed comparison. I have only purchased CGC books lately. When I first started with slabbed books and did not know better, I did do an order with PGX and so regret doing so. Because of that, I have decided to stay with CGC even though I do like the look of the new C BCs books. if I were to purchase a book graded by CBCS I would make sure it were the new label. I am one who also did not like how dark the other one was. What I am waiting for is for some company to standardize UVC protectant slabs that will be an industry game changer.
I personally love the new CBCS labels, for a long time I've thought the labels for both companies left a lot to be desired
Batman 200 is cool and not only "a" Neal Adams cover, his first Batman cover, if I am not mistaken. As for the labels, I think they are more visually dynamic and a definite improvement. I think people are hung up on the font but many will get used to it.
I think the new CBCS labels are a definite improvement over the old labels. I like how CBCS doesn’t use the dreaded green or purple labels which really detract from the presentation of restored or qualified books. It’ll be hard for CBCS to overcome the price difference between their graded books and CGC’s graded books, but the new labels are a step in the right direction. The Batman #1 CBCS 4.5 looks much better than the Batman #1 CGC 4.0.
Great recap, thanks for doing that. I have a few CBCS and will say not a fan of the labels. I definitely like these new ones and just might send them in for the new ones. Not that I have any, but getting that 10 would look great. It’s like my one gold pedigree label I have. It’s just so good - love how the gold stands out.
The new labels look fantastic!! Its a huge upgrade in the CBCS slab presentation.
I never gave CBCS a second thought before because of the bland labels. I do like the new, more attractive labels a lot. I think I love them, so why don't I marry them!?
What I dislike the most about the current CGC labels are the banners at the top that read 'CGC Universal Grade'. It reminds me of the distracting banners at the top of older comics advertising Toys R Us giveaways and 'Marvel Comics Group'. CBCS got it right by not printing a banner at the top that distracts from the book title. Now I hear CBCS slabs are sturdier. Seriously considering submitting to CBCS. Thanks for the informative video!
I really like the new CBCS labels. Much better than the old ones for sure.
Between those Batman#1 I think the CBCS looks a bit better....won't lie...thanks for the flipping and side-by-side presentation...
I do think the new CBCS labels are better looking than the old ones. Also another plus on CBCS’ side is the autograph confirmation they do. As of right now I would only plan on sending my signed books in to CBCS. I too, wish, hope, and pray that CBCS will become a bigger competitor in the market.
Just about to send books to CGC. I've used CBCS as well, but the difference in market value makes it tough to use them. I wish the relationship had more parity.
I actually like the new CBCS labels. The previous version was bland, and so I sold off my copies. I'd be open to adding the new labels into my collection.
Thank you for letting me know about the special $10 labels. I have some CBCS 9.8’s which i will send in for this!
I only wish theyd done this two months ago... finally sent 50 PC books off to CGC. I MUCH prefer the CBCS cases and now with the new labels it would have been a no brainer for me.
Maybe CBCS would run another promotion where they convert your slab from CGC to CBCS at a discount (regrading in the process) theyd get more movement.
Definitely improved look…I have a couple of auction pieces to re-slabbed now! And I want to comment on the comic book ungraded showcase display cases I just want to mention that they are great for comics with great covers but maybe don’t warrant grading and they are UV protective. I have had great success building display walls with those cases too!!
Thanks for the video!
It willl be interesting to see how cbcs books do against older cbcs and cgc
I like the new labels. I might send some of my books to get reholdered at $10 each.
At first glance, I didn't like the new labels at all. However, it seems like the new design grows in you over time. The more I look at them, the more I like them to the extend that I have decided to send for re-casing the few CBCS slabs I own.
It's nice they listened to the community and the look great and yes side by side to a cgc looks a lot better now for displays
Cbcs labels are starting to grow on me already
These new labels look 🔥 🤩
Good video!! The new CBCS labels look like they were made in a Computer Art 101 class!!
❤the new CBCS slabs!
I wanted to upgrade my Marvel Spotlight #4 as I owed a 5.5 only - cgc universal grade. When I recently found a new case cbcs at an 8.5 grade I had to have it.
So I place both side by side to compare comics and so pleased I upgraded … but I was also surprised when viewing the two labels side by side and found the new cbcs label far superior
😮to the new cgc:
Mostly because cgc banner highlights CGC whereas CBCS banner highlights the COMIC !
❤the new CBCS slab,
PickyPat
I think everyone should always collect what you like because you’re paying for it.
That being said I guess theres something to be said for CBCS books being less expensive - saving money is always great! If you are a collector then less is always more for the love of the art.
Now, if you want to invest/spec and think a book in CBCS grade matches what CGC would grade at, then you always have the option of cracking the book open, giving it a little clean & press and submitting to CGC.
Its possible you’ll find yourself with the same or higher grade in CGC at a price that was less and maybe even a little extra equity depending on the book.👍
I would've never bought a CBCS graded book or paid for the service due to the old labels being so incredibly ugly. I mean, just looking at them gives you an uneasy feeling of "Should I trust these guys? This label looks like it was designed using Word 97!" I'm down with the new ones. Can you do custom labels? Like if I want to have one a matching character with that artists rendition of said character?? One final thought, or comment rather, I do really like the fact they can verify the signature without having to be there in-person and grab a witness. Then have both CGC and the creator charge you!! Hopefully CGC will now have some competition 🤞
I’m looking forward to submitting a comic book to CBCS, these new Labels look solid! I’m game, to check em’ out, up close and personal.
I’m 30 years into collecting / buying / selling comics, but a recent convert to graded comics. Most of my collection will be Graded. I’ll keep a few raws around, but most will def be Graded.
Also, both cases holding that GA Batman look good, but I’m partial towards the CBCS label, by a 10th of an inch.
Heading in a better direction, it only helps the consumer if there is some good competition out there.
Comics Definitely sending my signed to them now
Personally, I like them. I don't think it changes my decision when submitting, but i do think it changes on the range of books i'll consider buying more.
Example, books i would have had to resub to uniform the look of my collection.
I’ve been using cbcs to grade my signed books. They have a service where they will verify the signature on your book and encapsulate it. Great service if you’ve got signed books that weren’t witnessed
Great coverage of an important topic. Thanks!
Awesome video Ryan! Wish this was up when I started! 🙂
Good video, just subbed. When I go to a con and ask for a slabbed copy of something, when they grab a CBCS slab I grimace. And guess why? I hate their labels. So this could be a good thing, but I need to see and hold a new version to know.
I really like the new labels, in my opinion I think the cbcs casing is way better then cgc cases. I've always supported cbcs steve Borack is a friend, but I do submit to cgc as well just because they sell better. I have about an even split in my collection between cbcs and cgc
It's great to see cbcs making improvements
Both of the main companies do a great job encapsulating/preserving the important books. That's the most important thing imo. I use CGC because I sell books as well. CGC just makes you more money. That's just the way it is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The labels need to look professional not cheap. Such as cbcs. Or dare we say PGX .but CGC need to fix the slabs issues. Btw your shoes are first rate and I love your honesty to buy or don't buy etc. I'm learning etc. thank you.
It's an improvement but doesn't go far enough. It will be interesting to see if CBCS will regain any ground on CGC in grading volume and prices especially for non modern issues.
Exactly, how hard is it to make a decent label??? No wonder they lost ppls books and had a 400+ day TAT, They suck at what they do lol
I use both. For resale value I go CGC. Graded comics help preserve and display purposes.
I love competition. Competition is great for the consumer in terms of quality and price. I hope CBCS gains market share with these improvements. I personally feel the new labels are an improvement and I would definitely buy CBCS slabs. However, if I were to sell, I want to make the most money from the sale. Since CGC tends to sell higher, I would grade with CGC when selling especially higher value books.
I like both companies and have books graded from both, but at this point, I pretty much use CBCS only for raw books, with pre-existing signatures and/or artwork, that I am trying to submit for grading.
The only reason to used CGC is that their books fetch a higher price. The CGC Marvel labels can be a hit or miss depending on your taste. As for me the only custom label that actually enhances a book is the one they designed for Invincible. The Thor is pretty cool, but the rest are pretty distracting. Strangely the CBCS cases are somewhat superior but most collectors don’t seem to care.
I’m obviously no expert, but I’ve noticed that a lot of people confuse fair grading with not getting the grade they want, even after reading the notes.
I’m a CBCS guy purely due to my LCS being willing to submit my books at cons with their own. I haven’t had a problem with the previous label since I was after the grade.
That said, I do think the new label is nicer and I do think it looks more professional than CGC. The sticker look never appealed to me if I’m being honest.
I can’t fault a company for listening to feedback and trying to give customers what they want. That’s just good business.
Agee with everything you said.
I love the new labels and I live close enough to drop off and pick up from cbcs so this may get me to switch cause I have always used CGC unless it was a signed comic
I love collecting. In the beginning CBCS was the first to recognize the Newsstands, Canadian and other price variants. So some of the books I have are CBCS for price variants, especially 35 cents. To cross them because CGC was late to the game is bonkers and a waste of money, If the $10 per book on CBCS website is true starting the 23rd (limited time), I will update the labels, especially on major keys. I agree, CGC gave birth to CBCS. It is idiotic to take sides. CBCS should not be redheaded stepchild. CGC's 9.9 and 10 look like crape. The 9.9 I have looks like an afterthought. What's with the faded gray?! Put me down for the giveaway!
Between the new sturdy case & new label they have a good chance. If only they insure their shipping & cheaper price. They can be on top.
The CBCS looks very good. I think it is a little too similar to CGC. Something about the font as well. I buy CBCS when I know I will not want to sell it.
Hey Ryan, you do know I saw a video on RUclips recently where somebody cracked PGX and sent the books to CGC and they got higher grades .WOW . There might not be any difference in the grading companies. . 9.8 CBCS edge of spider verse. 2 just sold for about $1300. That’s the same price as CGC would get..
I like the new labels but I think the font they used for the grade could have been better. Since it's the first thing you see, they should have paid a little more attention to it. But overall, big improvement.
The labels are definitely a huge improvement but I still like the CGC ones better. Something about them just seems "better", I think the font for the grade is actually what does it for me but maybe I've just been influenced by the market.
I like the new labels never tried them but I guess I will try them now. I have PGX and cgc so far.
My two biggest issues with the readability of the CBCS label has been the lack of contrast and the tiny font size, which makes it difficult to read the cert number on a screenshot.
I still like the CGC labels better. But for CBCS it is a big improvement to beable to read the grade much easier. Especially if it's up on a wall rack in a store or at a convention/show.
I like the new label.
Hey Ryan didn’t know about the name change or Labels? Thank you. Also that Batman 200 is beautiful who ever wins take care of it. :)
The cbcs move is in the right direction as damage control but I'm not sure if this will significantly gain a market share over cgc.
I’m going to go with CBCS because the new labels are IT and who doesn’t love cost effective luxury?
I wish I could afford to just send a book to get graded to either company, but that’s life.
Those new labels are great
I think the new labels look good. I don't have a preference but until prices equalize I think CGC will comtinue to dominate the market.
I love the new labels, but as long as they still command a lower price than CGC for more expensive books, I don't know how much that will move the needle
Ultimately, I think it all comes down to the price
Saw the cgc booth at fan expo in Toronto and were very friendly and had a huge booth as cbcs only had a small booth.But both are way better than p g x..
Overall an improvement though I’m not certain it wil have much of an impact on CBCS’s market share. I was curious what your thoughts were on slabbing as my recent dive into PCH has found a number of very negative people towards slabbing in the EC community. Great video.
I enjoy both companies I use them for different reasons. And i'd like to know the labels.
It’s a step forward but they need to have the exclusive graphic like CGC
Liking the new labels! The 9.9, 10.0 color change is a bit unnecessary and sorta ugly but that 9.8 label coloring is nice n clean. Kinda ironic that CBCS went from “We don’t want the grade detracting from the book.” to literally putting a freakin ARROW pointing to the grade. 🤣🤣🤣
If someone had money to burn it would be a cool experiment to submit the same book to CGC and CBCS and compare.
Are the grades comparable? That should be the first concern. Also, the first company that uses two-person teams to grade books should jump to the front of the industry. A bad start to a bad day could mean that every book graded by that person includes a bias in that possibly lowered grade. Everybody knows this. The two-person team would end this and I believe the two-man teams could grade a book faster than a single person. If a single grader sees a borderline flaw, he might want to ponder over that flaw excessively. The two-man team would reach an agreement and a conclusion much faster because of the peer influence. Grading comes down to a yes or no choice. These choices should be as close to automatic (free plug) as possible. Two people clamp down on decision time... I think it is worth a shot. Right now, it's not like CBCS has a whole lot to lose. They need an uptick in their credibility and quick. Over time, two people working together will even out the grading as one grader influences another. These teams would be made up of different people every week? Maybe change them every day. Whatever works best.
CBCS playing catch-up on labels. I'll never understand why it takes so long to evolve and grow. Stuck with inventory they need to burn through first? I doubt I'll ever switch.
Honestly look at those new CBCS labels and immediately thought PGX 😂
Like the cgc label.
CBCS needs to make the new label $5. CGC has thier custom printed for $5 on thier signature series along with the blue labels.
CBCS needs custom labels too
I’d have to be held at gunpoint to buy a cbcs graded book lol
I only use CBCS because they are with Beckett…. Every time I’ve sent comics to to be graded, I’ve got it back within 30 days (which includes the pressing)
I never use CGC so I can’t compare, but with me personally if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it 🤷🏻♂️
I actually prefer CBCS I think their QC is lightyears beyond CGC with graders notes and making sure the slabs are correct prior to shipping...the market, however, does not like CBCS...and it's a shame....I do think the recent price increase with CBCS did not help their cause in some categories as they are more than CGC, which is a No-No. I will wait for those discount codes so I can send some lesser-value books to CBCS to have them protected...
How are they more expensive? I paid $22 for my books to be graded this week